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- jrcarscadden, on 04/12/2008, -11/+76A good quote from the article:
"Anti-Americanism will disappear as Europeans realise how much better it was to have a world super power that was a democracy (however flawed) not a dictatorship." - theutopian, on 04/12/2008, -7/+33The next major war will be against China. Do you really think the US will actually pay back its debts?
- scabbers, on 04/12/2008, -13/+38"Abusing their own people, are unreliable business partners, and absolutely unscrupulous"
Sounds a lot like America to me. - MightyE, on 04/12/2008, -5/+28Burried for being DailyMail
- inactive, on 04/12/2008, -7/+29Democracy my ass (the so called 'West'):
"If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.": http://www.chomsky.info/talks/1990----.htm - Mawds, on 04/12/2008, -2/+23Time to start practising my Chinglish
- Nayson, on 04/12/2008, -2/+21Seems they got an article from Steven Fry's podcast here then.
The 19th century belonged to the British. (yay us!)
The 20th century belonged to the USA.
The 21st century will (probably) belong to China.
Its simple maths really. The country with the most important economy in the world calls the shots. And China will have that sooner or later. - jamflux, on 04/12/2008, -3/+21Isn't Tata an Indian company? Wikipedia says it is.
- manicdvln, on 04/12/2008, -2/+20"The launch of the Tata Nano: The Chinese company has now taken over British manufactuing giants Land Rover and Jaguar"
uHH.. Tata is an indian company, why do people digg sensationalist crap like this? - EdDiggEd, on 04/12/2008, -9/+26Honestly, this is incredible:
"this is not a superpower that respects Western standards on human rights"
&
"From several centuries of egalitarian, high-principled values and concern for others"
Truly, China is not the free man's best friend, but to think that either of these two concepts describe America or Great Britain is horribly absurd. Both countries have ravaged areas such as Africa, India, South America and the Middle East in order to increase their dominance and wealth, typically to the detriment of their own citizens (from blow-back, wasted wealth, neglected domestic problems, and of course the whole moral problem of the country you love and support carrying out despicable deeds under your flag).
I think we can all get through this transition easily if we just look at it as that we are being controlled by group of horribly destructive, wealthy and corrupt people who hate us, that will soon have less power and influence than that other group of horribly destructive, wealthy and corrupt people who hate us. - thepresenceusa, on 04/12/2008, -2/+19I don't like Iraq, but it pales in comparison to Communist China since World War 2. Even by the highest and most unlikely estimates, under 1 million have died in Iraq. Compare that with Mao's bloodlettings (and the many that followed). Compare that with Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, and Korea, as the ChiComms didn't just enable genocide in China.
That's like saying we can't stand in judgement of Nazism and every other mass-murderer in history because of one politically unpopular war decades later. The loss of any innocent life is a tragedy, and one loss does not wipe out the loss of another. - Argentian, on 04/12/2008, -13/+30China may be the coming world dominant power. Looking at how they are willing to forcibly sell organs from unwilling donors, are still killing people in (and out of) their country while telling others to stay 'out of their internal affairs,' the Chinese would be the worst form of totalitarian despot.
A battle royale between China and expanding Islam would pit two groups that are completely unscrupulous towards their enemies, and think nothing of wiping out a few million people in the process. - racco, on 04/12/2008, -5/+22Masters of the World = Humans
***** what part of the globe your form - bob555, on 04/12/2008, -9/+24Very well-written analysis, take the time to read this article. I hope the US and Europeans will be wise enough to put aside their petty differences and strengthen our relationship to its former glory, it is the only hope to keeping China's policies in check. While we cannot compete with them on the manufacturing due to their lack of care for their workers, we'd be wise to strengthen our own infrastructure while we still can, instead of sending trillions to them. But of course we Americans would prefer to save a few dollars now at the expense of future generations.
I have nothing against the Chinese people (they are some of the nicest I know), but their government needs some adjustments. I doubt it will come from within though, they've been subjugated for millenia. - someguyfromuk, on 04/12/2008, -3/+17"It is an accident of history that Europeans took advantage of their window of opportunity in the last half of the second millennium to take over the world." - This is probably the view of almost every Han Chinese in the world, even the ones raised in the west but brought up aware of its own history and culture.
I don't understand why Chinese human rights abuses are always made a big issue of. Let's recap the general views held by the last 4 superpowers plus the 5th upcoming one.
Great Britain: Believed in Social Darwinism thus believed they had a right to interfere in other cultures because they were the superior race, hence they had a duty to civilize the lesser peoples of the world thus legitimizing imperialism and economic opportunism.
Nazi Germany: Believed in social darwinism to the next level hence, in their minds, legitimized their actions in WWII and all the nasty stuff that we know about.
Soviet Union: Justified its own human rights abuses by claiming religion is irrational and that the idea of equality for all supersedes individual needs.
The United States: Believed it was their God-given duty to spread democracy to the world making them support repressive regimes abroad all in the name of fighting evil communists.
China: Justify their human rights abuses on the idea that human suffering is insignificant to the advancement of the whole, like the Soviet Union. This is mixed with a sense of cultural superiority, that their civilization has endured for 2 millennia and thus has earned the right to endure onwards no matter the cost via Han expansionism and promoting nationalism.
Human rights abuses, nationalism and idealism; it's nothing new, every superpower has used a form of justification for their own human rights abuses be it their own people or another ethnic group. Superpower status and human rights violations, whether they be minor or extreme, go hand in hand. Cherry picking the issue as an excuse for why we should be concerned of the next superpower just seems to me people are scared of the change. Or in some sinister cases, use it as an excuse to maintain their own superiority e.g. the United States. - jabela, on 04/12/2008, -1/+14China's morals are simple "Business is Business". When the Chinese make a deal with other countries, they don't add strings or ask irrelevant questions. That is why the South Americans like them and why Europeans and Americans buy their goods.... China has one simple aim, to become rich.... If you can't understand that, then you've got a big problem! By the way they also like to horde their wealth, so don't expect to see any of your US Dollars back any time soon....
- had3l, on 04/12/2008, -1/+13Americans and Europeans should focus the efforts on democratic developing nations instead of China. If you have to buy from somewhere, buy from India or Brazil, which have strong democratic institutions.
- domokunt, on 04/12/2008, -0/+12Maybe China will become the next Soviet Union. Thats what happens when you don't respect the freedoms of the people who build your country. It comes back to bite you in the ass.
- inactive, on 04/12/2008, -0/+9I do a lot of business in China, and I can tell you that there is more corruption and payoffs when doing business in China than any other nation on the globe.
If we purchase 500K worth of vinyl by the time it gets here the quantity is always short from the amount we agreed to purchase. Here's the catch, even if we get shorted a few thousand yards it is STILL cheaper than if we had purchased it elsewhere and received the proper quantity.
But I'm not worried about China, they only have about 5 to 10 years left of doing business with the current labor advantages they have. The masses are already starting to get disgruntled, and it will only get worse and worse.
Companies are already looking to other nations like Vietnam, and if we can get Africa(yes I know its a continent) to settle down they will be the next leader in terms of production. But that's going to take a long time considering the lack of infrastructure. But it will happen, and if you want to know where just follow GE and see where they are sending their sales people( the ones who make mega deals from their infrastructure division.) - notahack, on 04/12/2008, -2/+11The whole article read like a propaganda piece and not a thoughtful analysis.
I do think WHEN America ends the Pax Americana and goes back to its isolationist roots the entire world will suffer. It might be a contraction out of necessity like the British did when the cost/benefit of their colonialism stopped making sense. I would like to think the United States provides a security blanket seemingly gratis because the suppression of national ambitions benefits us. Win win. Just wait for the day both China and Japan see it as essential to compete to keep sea lanes open to their markets without the United State carrier fleets lurking around.
Sometimes I wish we would of stuck to the Monroe Doctrine and let the Old World fend for themselves. - elias, on 04/12/2008, -10/+18America > everyone else......
-fixed
*chants*
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
*waves flag* - Morality, on 04/12/2008, -0/+8If China stops producing cheap goods and the world starts buying from India or several other smaller nations before they can develop sustainable economic forces, they will be the Cambodia of the 21st century. Lets not seem arrogant just yet.
- chewbie, on 04/12/2008, -1/+9piper999, what you are failing to see here is that every country ignores the environment and human rights at the first stage of their evolution. The chinese youth that gets their education from the west will take some of the ideals over there in time.
the china gov doesn't really have scrupules yet but wait until unions, blogs and new ideals start to show up in china. You'll see that in about 20 yeas the country's ways will change.
You still might be working for a chinese / indian company in the future though. Hopefully it won't matter then - HalfGiraffe, on 04/12/2008, -3/+11And that's exactly what the article said.
- MrWhite7, on 04/12/2008, -2/+10...and those who deal in absolutes are fools.
- poidh, on 04/12/2008, -2/+9Stop buying Chinese crap that you don't need, people.
- fabkebab, on 04/12/2008, -5/+12I always enjoy a slice of xenophobia with my morning coffee
- nirav72, on 04/12/2008, -1/+8This is probably why strategically the U.S is starting to back India. For example the recent nuclear deal with India. Probably makes sense,a stable democracy and big enough military power would offer a perfect counter balance against China.
- inactive, on 04/12/2008, -1/+8exactly.
***** the superiority complex idiots trying to prove they should rule the world over the chinese.
***** you, neither the chinese nor you should rule us. - irgeorge, on 04/12/2008, -1/+8Did you even read the article? Or just scan the headline and guess? A little tip, they weren't supposed to be 'greater than' signs, but indicating succession...
- CrazedLeper, on 04/12/2008, -1/+8The US has taken a stand against China but why should that stop them from borrowing all it's money? The US policies are no less evil than the Chinese. The US imprisons more people than anyone. The US executes. The US tortures and lies about it. The US attacks itself and blames other people. The US fights "pre-emptive" wars without cause. The US deals drugs to it's own people, throws them in jail for buying them and then uses the money to fund rebels in other countries.
You'd better unwrap that lying flag from around your head and take a look around. The moral mountain you think you're standing on is the bodies of the victims of ghastly policies which you are blindly promoting. - LewisBreaker, on 04/12/2008, -3/+9Sigh... Yet another worthless article from the worst news paper in the UK. Go and read up about the mail.
The paper, and the stereotypical "Daily Mail reader" have become stock characters in the UK (as the phrase "Guardian reader" has become for the left/liberal archetype), and are often featured in a negative light in other publications and media:
* Alan Partridge, a television comedy character, states that it is "arguably the best newspaper in the world" in an episode of I'm Alan Partridge.
* In the Harry Potter series, the hero's obnoxious uncle Vernon Dursley is shown reading the Daily Mail; series author JK Rowling has confessed to loathing the paper.[18]
* In the adult satirical comic Viz strip Jack Black, a near-fascist "Boy's Own" adventure strip, the Daily Mail is the only newspaper anyone reads in the village, until in one episode an incoming Guardian reader is uncovered as protecting an Al Qaeda cell.
* In the BBC comedy show Little Britain, the racist Women's Institute member Maggie Blackamoor is depicted as reading the Daily Mail
* The satirical magazine Private Eye often refers to the Daily Mail as the Daily Hate Mail.[citation needed] In the Eye's frequent spoofs of the Mail's style, the by-line is usually "Sir David Fester": this refers to Sir David English (see above) and to a court case between the two publications, which the Mail won and then ran the story under the title "Anatomy of a festering lie".
* The satirical website theVoiceofReason.co.uk [2] spoofs the Daily Mail as the Daily Moan because of its frequently preachy editorial stance.
* In the BBC comedy show Monkey Dust, the editor of the Daily Mail is portrayed as a pile of excrement, with overtly bigoted and racist front pages of the paper shown in the background on a regular basis.
* On an episode of Room 101 Linda Smith referred to fans of Tim Henman as "awful people with copies of the Daily Mail in their pants". The show's presenter, Paul Merton, responded by saying "Well, it's very absorbent".
* The spoof TV listings site and TV show TVGoHome included a reality show entitled Daily Mail Island in which contestants were denied access to any form of media except for the Daily Mail. As the show progresses the inhabitants become increasingly right-wing and irrational.
* In the comedy series Extras a copy of the Daily Mail appears with the headline "Gypsies are eating our pets."
* Stephen Fry, on the BBC series Comedy Connections, described some fans of A Bit Of Fry And Laurie as "…a massive audience out there for people who may not understand a single word... a rather strange constituency of Daily Mail readers..."
* The Irish nationalist song "The Man from the Daily Mail" attacks the Daily Mail (and British media in general) for its coverage of Irish issues and portrayal of Irish people [3].
* Bloc Party's "Hunting for Witches" from their 2007 album A Weekend In the City illustrates the Terrorist Attacks on London's transportation *system in July 2005 and contains the lyric "The Daily Mail says the enemy's among us, taking our women, and taking our jobs."
* The title track from The Smiths' album The Queen Is Dead features the lines "I said Charles, don't you ever crave to appear on the front of the Daily Mail dressed in your Mother's bridal veil."
* In Series E of BBC TV show QI the episode dedicated to Europe contained a round called Call My (Euro) Bluff given to lampoon the supposed euroscepticism the paper allegedly displays towards supposed European legislation - "laws" declaring that the sale of curved bananas is to be made illegal, tightrope walkers have to wear hard hats due to health and safety regulations, sausages can't be called sausages anymore and trawlermen have to wear hairnets whilst fishing were all revealed to be completely untrue, despite the Mail, and other newspapers such as The Sun, reporting them as fact.
* Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds' 'Babe, I'm on Fire' includes 'The man from the Daily Mail / With his dead refugee' in a catalogue of grotesque figures.
[edit] Supplements and features - jabraham08, on 04/12/2008, -0/+6In the text yes, however look caption under the picture of Tata NaNo.
"The launch of the Tata Nano: The Chinese company has now taken over British manufactuing giants Land Rover and Jaguar" - aphex, on 04/12/2008, -0/+6Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt sells - hence the reason people are reading/digging this. While I do agree China is becoming (already is?) a global superpower its not as doom and gloom as this article makes it seem.
- malcam, on 04/12/2008, -3/+9It's strange how the Daily Mail has become so popular on this website... at the very least it seems disproportionately covered compared with other British tabloids.
- peranadigital, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5What the hell are you talking about? Pull your head out of your arse, read up on China and save yourself the embarassment of ignorance.
- ICSU, on 04/12/2008, -2/+7I don't have anything against the US. However, I do against its governments.
Then again, many other gvts., corporations ... do a lot of crap too. - MrWhite7, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5You were making sense until you were foolish enough to dismiss China's contributions as nothing more than death, disease, and problems.
- KiraDnote, on 04/12/2008, -1/+6You don't have to go to war to renege on your debts.
- veloscaper, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5but they make $20 DVD players....how would Wal-Mart survive without China?
- Enasni1212, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5"I had a feeling the first reply to me would be about my using "racist" instead of the info I was presenting to you all..."
Do you think maybe that's because the accusation of "racism" is an extreme insult in our culture? You're basically defending China with two things: first, you use a few "logical," arguments which people tend not to find all that offensive (although this IS the internet). However, you're also basically calling people who hate China's human rights violations, "racist," which is just ridiculous. Yes China, has been wronged considerably in the past few centuries. And yes, Westerners tend not to understand how different the Chinese mentality is from our own. But does that somehow give them the right to be so indifferent to human suffering? And don't call us hypocrites for being angry at China--we're the same people who hate on the US government for torture. And don't bring up past offenses, either--we should remember the horrible things that Westerners have done in the past and try to prevent them from happening again, no matter WHO is doing them. - Morality, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5Edit: Digg is full of idiots. End wall of text.
- chewbie, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5coruption is rampant in both but you're right. Also the chinese have no respect for copyrights or patents. That should be reason alone to tax their stuff harder.
- a3200, on 04/12/2008, -16/+21This article and all this anti-China sentiment is to me just racism. The western way of thinking is always best, intervening in others' foreign affairs and always thinking they know what is best for the world. Did you guys forget about the Opium Wars? How many people were killed/affected just because of England's desire to make money off of selling drugs? *Gasp* A Chinese leader who wants to rid his country of drugs seeing the effect it has on its people is put in his place by western powers seeking to make a profit? Forgot about European imperialism in Asia?
What if the US or UK had over 1.3 billion people to manage? What if a group started rebelling in the country, do you really think the US or the UK wouldn't deal with the rebellion quickly and decisivley? You honestly think that if a few states decided to break off from the US and declared it the US would allow this? Oh wait we already went through that. Well what about if the South wanted to break off from the US again, and the Olympics were being held here...what if our torch was being protested the world over to allow the freedom of the South? Would we be happy with that?
Think of how difficult it is to manage so many people. WHY would China want to meddle with others' affairs when they have such troubles at home? If you don't already know, the majority in China think westerners are way too nosy and should just mind their own business. People from all walks of life think this way, rich, poor, businessmen, janitors...not just government officials as many westerners think. The Chinese way of thinking is to mind your own business, just like they have minded theirs throughout their entire history. They have no desire to enforce their will upon others as the US and UK have throughout history.
Why do I know all this? I have been to China (have any of you who constantly criticize?), I know people working in the government of China and have heard their side of the story. But you guys continue to be blinded by western media, orientalism, and close-mindedness...and THAT will be the downfall of the western world. Not China. - Nayson, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5I think you have to appreciate what kind of rag the Daily Mail is.
Its the far right voters tabloid of choice. Its headlines are generally "outraged" editorials speaking against immigrants, blacks, jews, muslims, teenagers, single parents, the working class and people who dont think Princess Diana was the greatest person ever (they still have a Princess Di front page every monday despite it being 11 years since her death)
A sweeping generalisation suggesting we are all like that is a bit naive. Great Britain is a country which has has voted for a government which isnt the Daily Mail's choice since 1997. We arent all like that. Would you like it if people tarred Americans with the gun shooting, sister *****, mayonnaise sandwich eating redneck stereotype? - Scottievm, on 04/12/2008, -1/+6Yes, it wouldn't last five minutes because it would inevitably be a nuclear war, making populations and military strength completely irrelevant. Just hope that MAD continues to discourage both sides and force them to avoid war at all costs.
- Borgcube, on 04/12/2008, -1/+6Only Sith deal in absolutes
- a3200, on 04/12/2008, -4/+8Oh and BTW here's a bit more food for thought...
If one nation makes almost all of the world's products do you not, by default, expect some business owners to be sneaky and greedy? Especially if there are over a billion people? Would you not expect some to be ruthless profiteers? Again remember one country is making everything, of course you're gonna get some flawed products.
What about the environment...China's pollution is unacceptable. Even during European and American industrialization we had blue skies and crystal clear water everywhe...wait that isn't right. Every country goes through an industrialization period with the same consequences, it just happens that China is the first one that the world is watching...and boy are we watching them under a microscope.
Human rights...drug dealers, robbers, murderers, political protesters, etc....imagine if China did not deal harshly with these. Think of the chaos that would ensue with such a large popluation seeing that these things are "OK" to do.
Please guys...I am American to the core but am truly saddened by how ignorant and arrogant many of us and others are. Educate yourselves, be a bit open-minded, think all their problems through instead of thinking this is some fantasy-world where everything is so easy to overcome - xxiao, on 04/12/2008, -2/+6you probably will have half of the cities here erased before you even think about this. usa can not even make little iraq under control, to have a war with china....that just make me wonder. have you won any wars where china was involved?
wake up, study hard, work hard, win by your ability, be a true human being.
nothing is perfect, it will take china a while to fix all issues. do you know how usa's history? it kills indians first before it dresses up as a "gentleman" this year? by the way, why are you in iraq killing? - smacksaw, on 04/12/2008, -1/+5Therefore, Obi Wan is a Sith since saying "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute statement???
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