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Masters of the World - England > America > China?

dailymail.co.uk — An absolutely excellent article on what is happening, and why, in the high stakes game of world dominance. From several centuries of egalitarian, high-principled values and concern for others, towards a country that is still abusing their own people, are unreliable business partners, and absolutely unscrupulous. Does a disaster await?

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  • Argentian, on 04/12/2008, -13/+30China may be the coming world dominant power. Looking at how they are willing to forcibly sell organs from unwilling donors, are still killing people in (and out of) their country while telling others to stay 'out of their internal affairs,' the Chinese would be the worst form of totalitarian despot.
    A battle royale between China and expanding Islam would pit two groups that are completely unscrupulous towards their enemies, and think nothing of wiping out a few million people in the process.
    • genericcynic, on 04/12/2008, -6/+8Oh please, the Xians were as "nice" as the muslims just a couple of hundreds years ago -- here in Sweden... It is just the normal state of society before liberalization. Same goes for China (I hope).
    • a3200, on 04/12/2008, -16/+21This article and all this anti-China sentiment is to me just racism. The western way of thinking is always best, intervening in others' foreign affairs and always thinking they know what is best for the world. Did you guys forget about the Opium Wars? How many people were killed/affected just because of England's desire to make money off of selling drugs? *Gasp* A Chinese leader who wants to rid his country of drugs seeing the effect it has on its people is put in his place by western powers seeking to make a profit? Forgot about European imperialism in Asia?

      What if the US or UK had over 1.3 billion people to manage? What if a group started rebelling in the country, do you really think the US or the UK wouldn't deal with the rebellion quickly and decisivley? You honestly think that if a few states decided to break off from the US and declared it the US would allow this? Oh wait we already went through that. Well what about if the South wanted to break off from the US again, and the Olympics were being held here...what if our torch was being protested the world over to allow the freedom of the South? Would we be happy with that?

      Think of how difficult it is to manage so many people. WHY would China want to meddle with others' affairs when they have such troubles at home? If you don't already know, the majority in China think westerners are way too nosy and should just mind their own business. People from all walks of life think this way, rich, poor, businessmen, janitors...not just government officials as many westerners think. The Chinese way of thinking is to mind your own business, just like they have minded theirs throughout their entire history. They have no desire to enforce their will upon others as the US and UK have throughout history.

      Why do I know all this? I have been to China (have any of you who constantly criticize?), I know people working in the government of China and have heard their side of the story. But you guys continue to be blinded by western media, orientalism, and close-mindedness...and THAT will be the downfall of the western world. Not China.
      • smacksaw, on 04/12/2008, -7/+9I find it interesting that the first people to claim racism are always the ones who blow it way out of proportion.

        You can critique a culture, a nation or a people without being "racist", just as you can praise them without being racist. It's only racism when you imply inferiority and then attempt to oppress people based upon that.

        Your argument doesn't hold much weight with me because our criticism of China is that their laws and culture are oppressive/repressive. You can't say that we are being racist and oppressing someone by pointing out they are oppressive. You can't say someone is racist who wants a culture to end oppression. That isn't what it means. Lots of people want to have a broad view of racism, but that isn't what racism is.
        • a3200, on 04/12/2008, -4/+4How are you critiquing China fairly? Most of the criticism is unfair, and illogical. THINK things through thoroughly before you criticize and I will think it's fair. If you judge so quick without thinking things through and say everything China does is bad how is that not discriminatory? Can China and the new eastern powers do nothing right to you? Why is every topic on China posted on Digg so negative? Subtle racism and ethnocentricism...that's what the majority of the opinions I'm seeing stem from. Or maybe cultural insecurity. Look at what YOU just said their "culture" being oppressive? Why/How is Chinese culture oppressive? That is some pretty harsh generalization there. Study ethnocentricsm and get back to me...I had a feeling the first reply to me would be about my using "racist" instead of the info I was presenting to you all...
          • Enasni1212, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5"I had a feeling the first reply to me would be about my using "racist" instead of the info I was presenting to you all..."

            Do you think maybe that's because the accusation of "racism" is an extreme insult in our culture? You're basically defending China with two things: first, you use a few "logical," arguments which people tend not to find all that offensive (although this IS the internet). However, you're also basically calling people who hate China's human rights violations, "racist," which is just ridiculous. Yes China, has been wronged considerably in the past few centuries. And yes, Westerners tend not to understand how different the Chinese mentality is from our own. But does that somehow give them the right to be so indifferent to human suffering? And don't call us hypocrites for being angry at China--we're the same people who hate on the US government for torture. And don't bring up past offenses, either--we should remember the horrible things that Westerners have done in the past and try to prevent them from happening again, no matter WHO is doing them.
          • a3200, on 04/12/2008, -1/+4I am not calling people who hate China's human rights violations racists.

            I'm not even talking to a person like you...you've got a good understanding of things.

            I'm talking to all the idiots who are so quick to jump on the "hate everything China" bandwagon that don't remember all that we in the western world have done...frankly that article, talking of China as if some kind of Alien overlord coming to take things over and likely ruin the planet, while the world under western powers was a fairy tale sounded ridiculous and a bit discriminatory to me.
      • piper999, on 04/12/2008, -6/+4Oh God how pathetic. The Chinese communist government killed millions and millions of its own people in the last few decades since WWII. They are propping up a hybrid communist/capitalist economy which at some time lets face it is going to stop growing and what happens then? They jail opponents to the government, they operate without regard to the environment or human rights, they are carrying out a virtual war through infiltration and spying on all other countries.

        And then people like you come along and say any criticism however slight of China is 'Wacist! Wacist!'.

        • a3200, on 04/12/2008, -7/+4The Chinese Communist government (reminds me of people saying Barack Hussein Obama) killed millions...uh they went through a damn cultural revolution and their population is and was extremely large to begin with. Percentage wise it wasn't so extreme.

          ...and look at your own country and what it does. Then talk.
        • chewbie, on 04/12/2008, -1/+9piper999, what you are failing to see here is that every country ignores the environment and human rights at the first stage of their evolution. The chinese youth that gets their education from the west will take some of the ideals over there in time.

          the china gov doesn't really have scrupules yet but wait until unions, blogs and new ideals start to show up in china. You'll see that in about 20 yeas the country's ways will change.
          You still might be working for a chinese / indian company in the future though. Hopefully it won't matter then
          • ssn697, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2unions, work hours, pay increases, vacation etc. are already making their appearance in China. The movement is afoot...
          • braves01, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1...and being immediately shut down. But I agree change for the better seems inevitable.
        • barfooz, on 04/12/2008, -1/+4@a3200: So killing and repressing your citizens is okay as long as it is a small percentage of your overall population?

          I know China's a radically different place, but that's just a little too ri-*****-diculous for me.
        • a3200, on 04/19/2008, -0/+1@ barfooz

          People were killed during their cultural revolution...there were wars, conflicts, of course executions...but whenever there is a sudden and vast change in a country's structure and culture...death and war are usually (unfortunately) a part of this.

          Where is China killing and repressing its citizens? For God's sake go to China before you spew all this out of your mouth. You all act as if they pull random people off the street and kill them for no reason. You act as though the government is some cruel and selfish dictatorship. You all act as if the people of China are desperately wanting your help to overthrow their government. Well you're wrong...do yourself a favor and go to China. See the people...ask the locals how they feel about their government, about human rights, anything you want. Get THEIR opinions about THEIR country, see their mindset. Look up the history of Tibet...the slavery, the extreme inequalities and injustices. Don't just form your own opinion you built from watching biased media reports on a nation. The funny thing is if you go to China and watch their "evil" state run television networks...you would be extremely hard pressed to hear a negative report or show on the US. Like I said before, they like the US. Funny that on the other side of the Pacific you only hear negative, threatening stories on China...never positive.

      • GUTTS, on 04/12/2008, -2/+4"This article and all this anti-China sentiment is to me just racism. The western way of thinking is always best, intervening in others' foreign affairs and always thinking they know what is best for the world." -A3200

        Perhaps we should have stayed out of WWII and just let the Germans go on with the Jew killing . On the other hand the Vietnam War isn't a good example of the US knowing what is best for the world. "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing" a quote that neither cares or asks for your ethnicity. The meaning is self evident.

        If you RTA, you would have came by this little gem,

        -From Darfur to Myanmar, China is cuddling up to murderous dictators. At home, it holds mass executions of criminals with bullets in the back of the head while transplant surgeons stand by to harvest their still pulsating organs.

        China has 1.3 billion people. How do you ignore that? You don't. China has a major effect on the world. Minding China is our business. Btw have you any idea the kinda pollution the industrializing of China is causing the Earth?
        • a3200, on 04/12/2008, -2/+2Ethnic cleansing/genocide cannot be compared to how one country enforces its crime. Europeans don't approve of our capital punishment...how do Americans feel about being lectured about how our capital punishment is "wrong"? Why must everyone always bring up these references to Hitler when there is no relation in the slightest? Yes interventionism is right in some cases but in a lot of cases for China it isn't warranted and unnecessary.

          I personally couldn't care less about the executions using bullets to the back of the head...why waste thousands of dollars in tax money to kill a criminal "humanely"? The end result is death regardless...what do you want China to do? Imprison 5x the people we currently do? Do you have any idea what strain it would put on the system? It's inefficient. If the punishment is harsh it should...if people have a brain, stop people from committing more. Maybe that's why we have crime problems...bc we imprison and let free.

          Oh and could that Darfur/Myanmar bit not be a bit of propaganda on our side of things? I've already said China really could not care less on foreign affairs, and this is a pretty well known fact. Talk to the people of China, talk to people in the government. Why would they WANT to ally with murderous dictators of poor countries...WHAT IS THE BENEFIT?? They are not a stupid country/people.

      • blagoaw, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2I spent 4 years living in China. Your comment is right on the money.

        China's government would be a disaster if they suddenly ruled over Americans. The American government would be a disaster for the Chinese if they suddenly ruled over China. People need to get around more and challenge themselves to understand the unthinkable. Good intentions aren't enough to help someone who you don't understand. You need to make a real effort to understand.
        • a3200, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Exactly man...I have a pretty good feeling the majority of the people posting against what we're saying/digging us down have never left their state..let alone their country.
      • GUTTS, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1I personally couldn't care less about the executions using bullets to the back of the head...why waste thousands of dollars in tax money to kill a criminal "humanely"? The end result is death regardless...what do you want China to do? Imprison 5x the people we currently do? Do you have any idea what strain it would put on the system? It's inefficient. If the punishment is harsh it should...if people have a brain, stop people from committing more. Maybe that's why we have crime problems...bc we imprison and let free.

        So according to you, we should just kill babies with down syndrome? Put bullets in the heads of the elderly? I mean, whats the differance? Why treat anyone humanely for that matter? The end result is death, right? Why waste millions of dollars on research and programs that help people live better lives?

        It's the fact that China treats its citizens this way that is alarming to me.(and should be to you) And the answer to your question is YES, I'd rather China try in institutionalize their criminals rather then puttin caps in their heads. They can learn so much from our and other nations like Britain's mistakes. From my pov it's China thats got the tunnel vision. I'm not saying we're innocent or they should be like us but strive to be better then us? Why not?
        • a3200, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2Wow man...you really are just grasping at straws, lumping innocent babies born under unfortunate circumstances and the elderly with criminals. When did I say anything remotely close to that? Are you deliberately ignoring the whole point behind what I'm saying because all you are hearing are your own ideas on how the world should be?

          Let me spell it out for you and everyone who is thinking like you better...

          I have FAMILY in China, my girlfriend has FAMILY in China...we know lots of people in China, we've talked to them about these things. The PEOPLE in China think it's a GOOD idea to treat CRIMINALS this way. If you don't do anything wrong you won't get in trouble...if you KILL someone then you should get shot in the head. If you are a politician who CHEATS honest citizens out of their hard earned money you should get shot in the head. Most of the people in CHINA feel these people are wastes of life and add nothing to this planet...they ruin the planet (I happen to hold this same belief). This is the view the Chinese hold...this is what they want. The fact that you are arguing with me about what is right for China when the Chinese people don't agree with you is ludicrous. Hope all the caps helped you...maybe you'll understand a bit more now. Or maybe not.

          Basically you think the Chinese have to abide by your standards of what is right and wrong? You realize different cultures around the world have different, views, opinions, mannerisms and values....right? I hope.
        • a3200, on 04/13/2008, -0/+0BTW I know you said that "China doesn't have to abide by our standards, but they can be better than us". But this is all in relation to our (western) standards of what is good and bad...you're saying that China can be better than what we are....but again you are thinking about your own culture and not realizing that China has its own beliefs of right and wrong, good and bad.
    • a3200, on 04/12/2008, -4/+8Oh and BTW here's a bit more food for thought...

      If one nation makes almost all of the world's products do you not, by default, expect some business owners to be sneaky and greedy? Especially if there are over a billion people? Would you not expect some to be ruthless profiteers? Again remember one country is making everything, of course you're gonna get some flawed products.

      What about the environment...China's pollution is unacceptable. Even during European and American industrialization we had blue skies and crystal clear water everywhe...wait that isn't right. Every country goes through an industrialization period with the same consequences, it just happens that China is the first one that the world is watching...and boy are we watching them under a microscope.

      Human rights...drug dealers, robbers, murderers, political protesters, etc....imagine if China did not deal harshly with these. Think of the chaos that would ensue with such a large popluation seeing that these things are "OK" to do.

      Please guys...I am American to the core but am truly saddened by how ignorant and arrogant many of us and others are. Educate yourselves, be a bit open-minded, think all their problems through instead of thinking this is some fantasy-world where everything is so easy to overcome
      • piper999, on 04/12/2008, -5/+5God you are annoying.

        So...was Hitler just 'dealing harshly' with problem elements in his society too? And Stalin? Just like cuddly victim of racism from cruel westerners Mao Tse Tung?

        If you like it so much why not stay for there for good the next time you take one of your little cheap holidays in other people's misery.

        • a3200, on 04/12/2008, -2/+2God I am so annoying.

          Great...compare Hitler and Stalin to the current Chinese government, since they have so much in common and all. End yourself.

          My trip to China was in other people's misery? Wow...I don't even know what to say. But you're a pretty good example of the "ignorant American". So quick to judge and think you know everything, when in reality you only know a few talking points you read on some blog.
        • Astroseksy, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1First one to call 'Nazi' loses the argument.
        • blagoaw, on 04/12/2008, -0/+0Much of the USSR's abuses were in expanding to places where they were unwelcome, and in harshly suppressing them and attempting to hastily subjugate them. There is some similarity to China's relationship with Tibetans in this respect. On the whole however, the Chinese government isn't particularly unpopular with the Chinese people and it's not just because of propaganda. They quite reasonably distrust the other governments of the world due to past abuses, and the understanding that a ruling power that is under the influence of a foreign power tends not to act in the interests of the people. Cultural differences and a giant chasm in understanding of history is a large factor as well.
      • GUTTS, on 04/12/2008, -0/+3"What about the environment...China's pollution is unacceptable. Even during European and American industrialization we had blue skies and crystal clear water everywhe...wait that isn't right. Every country goes through an industrialization period with the same consequences, it just happens that China is the first one that the world is watching...and boy are we watching them under a microscope."

        Wow, you must serioulsy be taking this to heart and ignoring all the facts. Or you're just Chinese and showing some patriotism. How can you compare America or anyone else for that matter to China? Sheer population and growth should be causing all manner of common sense alarms to be going off in your head.
        • a3200, on 04/12/2008, -2/+2I am Chinese American...born in America but of course ethnically Chinese. I am as American as the next guy...love country music (maybe too American for some) and my country. I am not taking it to heart and am not patriotic Chinese...I am just trying to educate some and get another view in because all I'm hearing is criticism without any understanding. People are being very close-minded.

          How can I compare America/Europe in their industrialization periods vs. China in its industrial period? Because its the same thing. The difference being that China has a much larger population, but how can you expect a nation to modernize without these consequences? We went through industrialization with massive pollution, are we not going to let them?...they have problems for sure. Pollution is terrible there right now. But a lot of people are ignoring our own histories and our past problems and acting like we are the angels on this planet. Just like we are beginning to take up environmental issues they will too, probably sooner after their industrialization than we did too.
          • GUTTS, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2lol my friend your arguments are...dunno weird and plain senseless? "How can you expect a nation to modernize without these consequences?" There are ten times better and cleaner ways to go about doing what we did 100 years ago. But China refuses to comply. It's that little brother mentality of "You did it, so why can't I do it? That's infuriating. Enviromental problems were no where to be found back then. Not because there weren't any issues but because no one knew better or it wasn't mainstreamed and championed. We know better now. China doesn't have an excuse.
          • a3200, on 04/13/2008, -0/+0You still aren't thinking things through man...where is the money for the clean technology? Do you think the American companies making products in China would rather save some money or spend more money to help the environment of China? Why did they go to China and leave Americans with no jobs? Because they were and are trying to cut any penny they can from their production costs. Think things through man..you're taking everything I'm saying at the surface...look deeper into the problems it's not that easy.
    • VinnieDaMac, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2Thank you for your gross exaggeration and generalization of all Chinese individuals.
    • Hangly, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1For ***** sake dude, they're a country not the Galactic Empire.
  • jrcarscadden, on 04/12/2008, -11/+76A good quote from the article:

    "Anti-Americanism will disappear as Europeans realise how much better it was to have a world super power that was a democracy (however flawed) not a dictatorship."

    • daxsymbiont, on 04/12/2008, -7/+9pathetic. "love the least bad".

      idealism won't die just because you want it.
      • MrWhite7, on 04/12/2008, -2/+10...and those who deal in absolutes are fools.
        • Borgcube, on 04/12/2008, -1/+6Only Sith deal in absolutes
          • smacksaw, on 04/12/2008, -1/+5Therefore, Obi Wan is a Sith since saying "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute statement???
    • had3l, on 04/12/2008, -1/+13Americans and Europeans should focus the efforts on democratic developing nations instead of China. If you have to buy from somewhere, buy from India or Brazil, which have strong democratic institutions.
      • chewbie, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5coruption is rampant in both but you're right. Also the chinese have no respect for copyrights or patents. That should be reason alone to tax their stuff harder.
    • domokunt, on 04/12/2008, -0/+12Maybe China will become the next Soviet Union. Thats what happens when you don't respect the freedoms of the people who build your country. It comes back to bite you in the ass.
      • chewbie, on 04/12/2008, -2/+1Are you somehow under the impression that the soviet union ended with revolution? You do realize that many russians still yearn for the good old communist days. China is careful to avoid anything that brought the downfall of the USSR. China doesn't meddle with the military affairs of other countries for example. They have quite an open economy and a well thought-out plan.
      • bosssmiley, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1Unlikely. China has 2,000+ years of totalitarian rule, interspersed with periods of violent rioting, revolts and coups. There's little sense of a grass roots democratic tradition in a country with a political culture based on such a mish-mash of Confucianism and Marxism.
    • ICSU, on 04/12/2008, -2/+7I don't have anything against the US. However, I do against its governments.
      Then again, many other gvts., corporations ... do a lot of crap too.
    • Neuro421, on 04/12/2008, -9/+6I find it laughable how you're all assuming that as long as a country labels itself "democracy" you feel more comfortable with it. Yeah sure, India is a democracy, it's really SO equal... that's why they have "peons" working for less than a dollar (35 rupees) to stand in an office building and pick up other people's trash that they just throw on the ground. Democracy has made things SO much better in a country where cows still have more rights than some people.

      "Thats what happens when you don't respect the freedoms of the people who build your country"

      Most chinese don't feel disrespected by their government at all. The government is putting so much effort into improving the lives of 1.3 billion people (unofficially there's more like 1.5 billion), dropping the poverty line to below 10% of the population in recent years. The US couldn't even properly organize the proper evacuation of New Orleans, nor has it found a solution for the 12.5% of it's citizens under the poverty line (data from census bureau) and the other 10% that are imprisoned. The democracy in the US allowed for troglodyte George W Bush to serve two consecutive terms.

      The real difference between western nations and china is not democracy. It's plain prejudice. The article being dugg here clearly reflects the western sentiment that their culture is superior. Here's a wake up call... western culture is not superior. No culture in the world can claim to be THE ideal culture - just like no religion can prove they are the true religion.

      Speaking of Tibet... why should the chinese cave to foreign pressure? Tibet is strategically important to China. Why should we free Tibet? We won it militarily. Last week, when the Absolut ad ran, americans were commenting that if Mexico wanted the southwest back, they should fight for it. We, likewise, welcome the Tibetans to try and take back their country military if they want to. Even if we freed Tibet, what guarantee do we have that the US isn't going to use Tibet as a counterbalance against China? They've been trying to use India as a counterbalance against China anyway, and they used the Czech/Polish missile shield project to counterbalance Russia. How would the US feel about China funding and supplying weapons to disenchanted Mexicans to retake the American southwest? How did they respond when Russian put missiles in Cuba? Why should China respond any differently?

      Furthermore, this article highlights the persistent characteristic of aggressive xenophobia in western culture. Where China merely tried to close it's doors to foreigners in the 19th century, western culture (like the British empire) have persistently tried to dominate cultures that were not like them. And whereas, the rest of the world tolerated and even tried to adopt aspects of western culture during it's time of dominance, you westerners can't even tolerate the presence of a different worldview/culture that is different from yours... so you interfere... and tell everyone else what they ought to do and how they ought to think.

      Allow me to enlighten some of you about Chinese policy. Unlike the British Empire of the 19th century and the United States of the 20th century, China does not want to convert the whole world to its way of life, nor does it want to claim any territory other than the ones it already possesses and Taiwan. China is simply not a threat to your way of life. If you cannot tolerate a country with a different perspective on the definition of what "freedoms" are, then you are no different than the homophobe who simply doesn't like his neighbor because he defines sexuality differently. It doesn't occur to a lot of you that the kind of western individualism and demand for "MY RIGHTS, MY LIFE, MY WAY, ME ME ME ME" is actually quite offensive to other cultures. But you know what? None of this will sink in for most of you because you all just believe what you want to believe anyway, instead of being more open-minded. I guess it comes from a "Western" upbringing.
      • robbiemuffin, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Which dictatorship are they talking about? The dictatorship of (democratic) India or the dictatorship of (communist) China?
        crap wrong reply link
      • aduggs, on 04/12/2008, -2/+5Western culture has dominated most of the world up to today because it has offered prosperity to the most people. Almost all of the countries that have adopted western culture are far better off today -- Japan is an example. The US brought Japan to its knees in WWII and rebuilt it. Japan today is an economic powerhouse that offers its people so much more than under the culture that dominated pre-WWII. Countries that did not adopt western culture, mainly the countries in Africa, are very poor and corrupt. Many Africans live in poverty because the western culture failed to take hold. Anyone who makes the argument that western culture is not superior does not understand modern history or is too blind to see the good western culture has brought to the world.
        • gratus08, on 04/13/2008, -1/+0Apparently you left out countries like Philippines, Liberia, Haiti, and the new Iraq. Western style culture does not help these countries a bit, and actually democratic system has yet to be successful in any developing countries. Check the facts before you make an assumption.
      • funkywood, on 04/12/2008, -3/+2Neuro, that was a good post. Whether I agree with all of it or not I Dugg it because well written comments should be read while short pointless insults are just a nuisance. Come on Digg, try to keep things mature.

        In some ways China's way of doing things is better. The only solution to the world's biggest problems is for everyone to stop having so many children but China is the only country willing to do anything about it. Not for the right reasons but in the western world of consumerism getting whatever they want, even cutting child benefit is taboo.
        Looking long term beyond the next election is going to be more important and China seems to one of the few governments to do so.
    • robbiemuffin, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Which dictatorship are they talking about? The dictatorship of (democratic) India or the dictatorship of (communist) China?
  • bob555, on 04/12/2008, -9/+24Very well-written analysis, take the time to read this article. I hope the US and Europeans will be wise enough to put aside their petty differences and strengthen our relationship to its former glory, it is the only hope to keeping China's policies in check. While we cannot compete with them on the manufacturing due to their lack of care for their workers, we'd be wise to strengthen our own infrastructure while we still can, instead of sending trillions to them. But of course we Americans would prefer to save a few dollars now at the expense of future generations.

    I have nothing against the Chinese people (they are some of the nicest I know), but their government needs some adjustments. I doubt it will come from within though, they've been subjugated for millenia.
    • macmangb, on 04/12/2008, -4/+7"I have nothing against the Chinese people (they are some of the nicest I know), but their government needs some adjustments..."

      That's the problem, until you go against the Chinese people, they will be too apathetic to do anything about their murderous government. What you don't understand that all Chinese are complicit in the murder of millions of Tibetans and the subjugation of countries like Taiwan. Take a stand against ALL the Chinese, confront them with photos of how they murder peacefully protesting tibetans and especially do it to those that are 'nice' because it's all a facade.
      • KiraDnote, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2Are you saying 'nice' Chinese are faking it? No more than 'nice' people from anywhere.
        • macmangb, on 04/12/2008, -4/+1Yes they are faking it and yes they are all personally responsible for each of the deaths in Tibet by not being vocal about it.
          • FairDinkumMate, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1So you take personal responsibility for each & every death in Iraq?
            In a Democracy, the government is elected by the people, to represent the people. This obviously isn't the case in China. Therefore, as YOUR government was elected by YOU, then you ARE far more personally responsible for anything that they do in your name.
    • Neuro421, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2Macmangb:
      Hey idiot! As of 2000, there were only 2.62 million Tibetans, so I guess they killed them ALL by your estimate?
      • macmangb, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1You're a shill for the Chinese government.
        • Neuro421, on 04/13/2008, -0/+0I was born in Taiwan genius... both granddads were Kuomingtang officers.
          Anyway, why should I care what you think. You and your ilk are just proof that the the
          UK did a fine job brainwashing it's citizens into believing the myth about the chinese bogeyman.
    • robbiemuffin, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1No I disagree... it is an edgy write up designed to stir debate — and maybe that means it is well written in a sense, but just don't believe everything you read. This reminds me of the "banks are just MAKING UP MONEY articles you can find ... it is completely true. It just isn't a bad or evil thing.
      I find the perspective inane.
    • travelbug6, on 04/13/2008, -0/+0ru sure ur not against the Chinese people? or is being racist just sooo politically incorrect these days? after all, u call them zombies who are used to subjugation, and their govt should change to suit your preference.
  • flowersboy, on 04/12/2008, -18/+7I have nothing against the Chinese as a nation but as a world ruler I have something to say about. Look at its history, people like Mao Tse-tung (Made the number of people Hitler killed look like a joke) and the invention of (unrefined) gunpowder. This country has not contributed anything other than death, disease, and problems for the entire world. Unfortunately this article with probably not make it to the front page and educate diggers who spread the word.
    • kitkatsavvy, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1yep it made it to the front page for ya
    • MrWhite7, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5You were making sense until you were foolish enough to dismiss China's contributions as nothing more than death, disease, and problems.
      • KiraDnote, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1Yeah. What about spring rolls? and chop suey?
    • AntBing, on 04/12/2008, -0/+3Wasn't (unrefined) gunpowder used for fireworks by the Chinese until the Europeans invented guns?
      • fmorel90, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1The Chinese had cannons and then Europe invented "portable cannons."
      • hydro5135, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1The first record of the actual use of gunpowder in Europe is a statement by Bishop Albertus Magnus in 1280 that it was used at the Siege of Seville in
    • JointVenture, on 04/12/2008, -3/+1The thing about the average digger is that they are 20 somethings(not that theres anythig wrong with that) and they were not around or old enough to remember China 10 years ago.

      The same thing goes for Russia, they dont know anything about how things were before the wall fell.
      You know the wall that Reagan brought down.
      • FairDinkumMate, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1At least the 20 somethings have an excuse for not knowing about the USSR(Russia was a state of such - REMEMBER!). Gorbachev was almost solely responsible for the wall coming down & the failure of Communism in the USSR due to his failed economic policies.
  • ViSHiX, on 04/12/2008, -22/+12The west has lost it's moral standing to criticize China's human rights abuses in Tibet. Just look at Iraq.
    • thepresenceusa, on 04/12/2008, -2/+19I don't like Iraq, but it pales in comparison to Communist China since World War 2. Even by the highest and most unlikely estimates, under 1 million have died in Iraq. Compare that with Mao's bloodlettings (and the many that followed). Compare that with Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, and Korea, as the ChiComms didn't just enable genocide in China.

      That's like saying we can't stand in judgement of Nazism and every other mass-murderer in history because of one politically unpopular war decades later. The loss of any innocent life is a tragedy, and one loss does not wipe out the loss of another.
      • macmangb, on 04/12/2008, -3/+5The Chinese are much worse than the Nazis
      • veloscaper, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5but they make $20 DVD players....how would Wal-Mart survive without China?
        • macmangb, on 04/12/2008, -2/+3All countries should outright ban everything made in China from entering their countries. China won't be able to survive without people to sell their goods to. Only resume trade once they declare independence of Taiwan and Tibet and all the other countries they stole and submit their leaders to the Hague for crimes against humanity and then have all the Chinese pay repatriation to the rest of the world for all the damage they have done for over the past 100 years.
          • chewbie, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1macmangb, no. We wouldn't really survive without China. It's quite sad really but they'd be okay without us. Their economy would stop evolving as fast but with all the engineers we train for them they would be more than ok.
          • Elranzer, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1"It's quite sad really but they'd be okay without us."
            While I don't agree with his total extremist view, how would they be ok without the US? Who would they then have to sell all of their products to? Their main source of income is outsourced production. The poor Chinese population is sure not going to buy all those goods.
      • ViSHiX, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2I know Mao killed tens of millions, but America has been responsible for millions of deaths too. Propping up dictatorships all over the middle east, killing countless in Vietnam/Iraq, Cuba embargo, it has bombed more countries than any other country since WWII; the way it has treated it's own black citizens. Has the most ppl in jail! Gitmo, extraordinary rendition, most nukes in the world. So don't tell me that America has the right to criticize China for something they are doing in their backyard!

        Just because America has killed millions but not as many as Mao doesn't make it TOTALLY different.
        • boombye, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1My country lets me speak out against my government's policies that I disagree with without fear of being jailed or having a bag pulled over my head and beaten to death before even reaching jail. You don't know what goes on in our own backyard, I'm living the good life. I'm American.
        • FairDinkumMate, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1But boombye what does it do to any citizen of another country that does the same thing? Far more relevant question in regard to this debate
          • boombye, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Nothing actually, I would know because most of my friends are foreigners, some don't even have citizenship and say anything they feel like, even if they got arrested for something stupid, they don't get deported. So yeah, if you dugg me down thanks but that's quite alright, you're entitled to being envious of my country.
    • KiraDnote, on 04/12/2008, -5/+4The US is not committing human rights abuses in Iraq. Some frightened individuals in Iraq are lashing out from time to time, but it's not a systematic policy of the US government.
    • captric, on 04/12/2008, -3/+4You must be from Canada - brainwashed by your own countries favorite pastime - bashing - America Bashing. And based totally on half truths from a corrupt and incompetent system of news media.
      • ViSHiX, on 04/12/2008, -3/+5funny, an American calling our news media "corrupt and incompetent". Go back to ur infotainment on Foxnews.
        • captric, on 04/12/2008, -2/+2REALLY???? Well we have more news Channel selections than you have NEWSPAPERS in your entire 2nd world country you ill informed illiterate Canucklehead! If you don't like or disagree with FOX you can change the channel to CNN, CNNHN, CBS, ABC, and any number of local channels not to mention AM radio and local newspapers. The biggest, best and oldest Journalism School in the world is at the University of Missouri- Columbia? Ever heard of it? Of course not because you are not traveled and believe your own countries sad tradition of factual mis information as a part of your culture.
          • Comanche, on 04/12/2008, -2/+3You are an angry angry man. I feel sorry for you. Living in a country you hate so much. Why are you in Vancover Mr. Bucklew? Why?
          • travis1982, on 04/12/2008, -2/+3No seriously, I guess you have been following Captric's web of lies through digg as well Comanche, I sure have. I find it rather amusing and sad at the same time that Captric bashes Canada so harshly and with complete lies and propaganda, and yet he lives in Vancouver. I don't hate America, never have, I have more or less considered North America one big country with only minor differences. But when people like this Captric over here starts bashing Canada in virtually every comment he makes on Digg, I find it offense and quite childish. If you hate Canada so much Capdick, why don't you leave? Vancouver is the only city in Canada that is virtually identical to some American cities, in culture and business, I think Vancouver is actually owned, informally, by Americans. I am not saying Canada is perfect, but the points you are making is as you say, ABSOLUTELY LAUGHABLE. You make fun of our economy, government, culture and military, yet you do realize that we only have 30 million people compared to the Americans who have what..almost 400mil? The reason why the Canadian government can do a lot of the things it can do, such as socialized health care, is because of our small population. What you're doing is like saying, Canada is ***** cause it doesn't have the American population that allows itself to boom economically. You also said before that Canada has higher crime rate than the US, I think I almost pissed myself when I read that one...Fact is...Canada has 118 per 100k in prison, America has around 800 per 100k. That's a big ***** difference. People say that it is because Canada are too liberal in their sentencing of offenders, yet it has actually been proven, by both counrties that prison doesnt work, it actually increases recidivism in offenders, that is why Canada inprison's violent offenders and offenders who are a high risk to the community, and don;t inprison people for crimes such as admin breaches, which is actually almost 1/3 of not more of the reason why the American prison population is high. I can debate forever with you Captric...you like I have said..you can't see past your own hate and ***** to open your eyes. In other words, get out of Canada.
          • boombye, on 04/12/2008, -2/+2Canada sucks, you guys say you don't have troops fighting in Iraq or any troops in Iraq at all, yet I can find a CBC article that says otherwise.
          • Aeron, on 04/13/2008, -2/+2"we have more news Channel selections than you have NEWSPAPERS in your entire 2nd world country you ill informed illiterate Canucklehead!"
            captric wtf, we have the SAME news you have. Same channels, same media etc
          • travis1982, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1that...that's why we suck? Because we have sent minimal military scouts and one of our 5 naval ships to aid America? Boy do we suck! I guess it's not as bad as sending our entire military to Iraq for ***** reasons and lying to the public on a much greater scale.
          • captric, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2I am getting tired of constantly educating Canadians, if you don't like the Western culture guaranteed to you by your incrediably patient, generous and benevolent brothers to the South, then get the ***** off of the continent. Let me suggest South America or Africa - you will love it!
          • travis1982, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1Where in the above comments do you read that Canadians don't like Western Culture? Why do you think Canadians hate Americans? We don't hate everyone like you do Captrick, and I think that is why people like you hate Canada so much, because we have differences in who America wants to invade...I am sorry...but Canada is known for peace keeping missions..in fact, Canada has been involved in more peace-keeping missions more then any other country...ever. Canada and the US has had a rocky history, but in the past 50 years or so it has improved greatly. I just don't get why you feel the need to point at Canada and say "you're stupid! we hate you for absolutely no valid reasons whatsoever", Canadians don't hate America or the American Government, we have respect for the US, but we don't agree on every single god damn issue...get the ***** over it.
          • Comanche, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1You bet I have Travis. I belive he is just doing this for attention. Apparently he is a lonely man (according to his various profiles online) and this is the only way he can get attention. I am adding him to my ignore list as there is no point in reading his babble.
  • xdcc, on 04/12/2008, -9/+12Thanks: elites, central banking, BIG government, minimum wage..
    • KiraDnote, on 04/12/2008, -8/+1Is that you Ron Paul?
    • ZenMojo, on 04/12/2008, -0/+3Minimum wage? Really now? Do you have to be a stereotypically uninformed, undereducated conservative equating minimum wage with elitism? You are a textbook example of the failure of common sense to equate the power of economic elites with the destruction of minimum wage. 70% of our national debt, adjusted for inflation, came from 3 Republican Presidents, two of them with the last name Bush, one of them the first modern Republican president.

      Of course, all of our problems are to blame on minimum wage, which they all fought....

      Sorry, the first person you should blame for this mess is yourself, xdcc, for being so intellectually lazy. :)
    • FairDinkumMate, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2You Americans really need to look outside of your own borders. Minimum wage in America is a joke. Current minimum wage in Australia is US$13.50 per hour! We have lower unemployment, lower trade deficit, universal healthcare, a booming economy(generating just as ridiculously high corporate profits & fatcat salaries as the US!) and a fabulous lifestyle. You have an educated, intelligent workforce. Why would you want to reduce your minimum wage in a race to lower living standards to those of 3rd world countries such as China? Doesn't it make more sense to improve education, utilise your country's phenomenal talent for enterprise & innovation & increase your wages & living standards?
  • meserostalking, on 04/12/2008, -6/+5Comparing the West in Iraq to China! Ha! Time to hit the books, Vishix.
  • theutopian, on 04/12/2008, -7/+33The next major war will be against China. Do you really think the US will actually pay back its debts?
    • KiraDnote, on 04/12/2008, -1/+6You don't have to go to war to renege on your debts.
    • Skillatchi, on 04/12/2008, -10/+2Not even America is stupid enough to wage war on 1.3 billion people, it wouldn't last 5 minutes. However, lets assume your correct, lol, America's best bet would be by firstly killing its own people, since 20% of the San Francisco population is Chinese.
      • Scottievm, on 04/12/2008, -1/+6Yes, it wouldn't last five minutes because it would inevitably be a nuclear war, making populations and military strength completely irrelevant. Just hope that MAD continues to discourage both sides and force them to avoid war at all costs.
    • captric, on 04/12/2008, -6/+2We don't have to go tho war - we can just give them Canada and they will be happy.
      • ekravchenko, on 04/12/2008, -2/+5how about we take morons like you and give them to China? How would you like that?
        • captric, on 04/12/2008, -2/+1Well you and who's Army? CANADA???????? Actually what I said is not far from reality and a likely solution to certain scenarios. For example: The Chinese in their search for power decide to conquer Canada by military force and seize your assets. They KNOW that they can defeat Canada militarily in a matter of days, but the Canadians are dependent upon the Americans for their defense and so cry to the Americans to protect them. The US who leases most of Canad as oil reserves comes to an agreement with China in order to avoid a full out war and allows China to seize Canadian oil as long as we get to share it.
          • travis1982, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2Ok...again...I have to correct your *****. Canada has 30 million...China has how many people? *****, you think Americans could take on China? Without sending every nuke they have you *****? America is scared ***** of China, as they should be, a war with China would devastate both countries. Give them Canada? What a ***** idiot. Again Captrick....YOU LIVE IN CANADA!
          • captric, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1Well Travis you dumb ***** Canadian...America has 300 million people and a conventional military that is FAR superior to China (not to mention Canada). You have NO IDEA the sophistication of the US military. The Chinese have no aircraft carriers, no GPS guided missiles or bombs, no long range stealth bombers. They have no reconnaissance satellites, they have far less effective anti ship missiles, and the list goes on and on. If the Chinese military were capable they would take back TAIWAN from US protection and that sits right in their own back yard. So in your SUPERIOR military mind, why do you think they haven't????? Because they CANT you ignorant Canuck!! A military conflict does not require capturing China you moron so what in the world does the population of China have to do with anything?! If you had a brain you would be dangerous......but no you are just a typical illiterate brain washed nationalistic anti American Canadian who does not know a thing about what you are talking about, just like the rest of the losers of your country who are the descendants of the cowards unwilling to fight during the American Revolutionary War! Not much has changed has it.
          • travis1982, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2If the American Military is this all powerful omnific force, why the ***** are you having such a hard time with Iraq? Its been what..5 years...doesn't have a fraction of the military power China has nor the intelligence. And I don't hate America, never said I did, I just hate you because you hate Canada and yet...you live in Canada. America can't touch China, and you're just stupid if you believe otherwise, and yet another example of your self-righteous views on America. Keep calling Canadians illiterate and brainwashed, even though we have a higher literacy rate than America and brain washed? Bush invaded a country that the senate and the UN said they can't, and yet the entire American public just said...meh. Brainwashed Canadians? no no no...Brainwashed Americans.
          • captric, on 04/13/2008, -2/+1Well Travis as usual you have your so called facts "Canadized"! You know nothing about Iraq where the coalition forces, (less the "brave warriors of Canada"), led by the Americans are winning hands down both militarily and politically. Americans can and do "touch China" it is Canada that cannot touch China nor protect yourself from them which brings us full circle doesn't it? If the Chinese need Canadian oil they will just come get it and there is not a thing you can do about it. The only thing stopping them is the US!!! Wake up Travis and get out from in front of your computer and get an education. If Canada were to boycott the Olympics in protest of human rights abuses no one would even notice, after all, one of the shortest lists on record is the number of Canadian Olympic medalists, followed closely by the list of the number of Canadian war heroes. If the US boycotts the Olympics - the Olympics are OVER!
          • travis1982, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2This is an example of what every comment I am going to be posting on every comment you make until you learn to shut your mouth...

            Ok Captric, answer me this. Exactly how old are you? Judging from how you write and talk about the world/people...I would say younger then myself, I am 25. In order for you to achieve everything you say that you have achieved..you would have to probably be around 80-90 years old. Professional Pilot, in order for you to call yourself that, you would need to have had long..long training..id say 15 years at least...at least to be called "professional". Race car driver...again..probably 5 years. Sailor..5 years min. Now here the tricky part...ex marine intelligence officer..now, I know for a fact that in Canada, you need at least a masters in a specific subject example..political science..that's a good 8 years right there...then after that its about 5 years of training before you can call yourself a Intelligence officer...yet some how you are an ex intelligence officer? You say you have a BS in science...4 years...MBA in managment...I am guessing its our equivalent to about 6-7 years? Oh wait...you are also a retired police officer...hmm police acadamy...6 months to a year...also..you're a retired police officer....well that doesn't make any sense. One more thing about your military intelligence, First of all I know for a fact you're lying about all of this...but more so on the military...because I actually know people that are Military Intelligence in both Canada and the US...and they wouldn't broadcasting, nor are they allowed to, the fact that they are in intelligence...retired or not. So my point is...you're a liar.
          • captric, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1HaHaHaHa.....This is exactly the sort of lack of critical thinking I have come to expect from you Travis. A life of excitement and important life and death level experiences and jobs that Canadian Cnuckleheads like you can never hope to experience except vicariously through people like me. You are suggesting that all of my experiences (and this is just an abbreviated resume) are done in series instead of some concurrently. You have no idea how long or what training is required to become a professional pilot, there are two basic ways, you can join the military and become a pilot or go the civilian route where you take flying lessons while at the same time going to college in a major of your choice. And yes , that can be a Science Degree. The Airlines hire by experience and character, not by which flying club you belong to! Canada does not even HAVE Marines so how can one become a Canadian Marine Intelligence Operative and YES you can talk about it as much as you like as long as it is not SSI or Secret Information. Marine Intelligence operatives are called Marine Force Reconnaissance and it takes a year of extensive and dangerous physical and mental training before you go "active". It is the Marines equivalent of the US Navy SEAL teams with an almost identical mission.I served with 2nd Force Recon at Camp Lejuene NC, 1st Force Recon in an unnamed combat zone (figure it out yourself if you can) and B company 3rd Recon Battalion. I NEVER said I was a retired police officer, I said at one point in my life I was a police officer and I didn't like it much so I quit, and now I am a Fed which I absolutely cannot talk about because unlike your life, I am not living in a fantasy, this is the no ***** real deal and my opponents are smart and dangerous terrorists. Police Academy was 8 weeks and I was a Student in college at the same time while also serving in the US Army reserves with 12th Special Forces Group because of my Marine Recon experience. There are no REQUIREMENTS to become a sailor you dumb ass! I took lessons in two days and you can buy as a big a boat as you can afford! PERIOD! There is no licensing requirements unless you plan to rent yourself out as a Captain and collect money for your work as a boat captain. Oh yes - I left out auto racing.....remember Greg Moore? Indy car driver killed in Detroit? I raced with him in Formula 2000 at Portland International Raceway about 15 years ago when he was 16 years old. So going on making up and believing your own drivel, IMAGINE facts about things you have absolutely no experience in and never will. Do your homework you illiterate little Canuck and have a great - albeit poor and ignorant existence going through life believing you know something when in reality you know nothing about anything.
          • travis1982, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2Do you know how I know you're lying? CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW ***** SHUT ABOUT THE WORLD HAHAHA. You're a pathetic ***** liar Capdick...I can't believe how bad you are in DENIAL. I think BOTH CANADA and the US would be a lot better off without you...GET OFF THE CONTINENT YOU FAG. I know now that you are in your own little dream world....you're ***** insane...and I hope someone finally puts you don't like a sick dog. Captrick.....you have amused me, as well as others on DIGG with your sheer stupidity and complete and utter disregard for the facts. You're almost like Coulbert in the fact....you seem too stupid to be real. I tire of you now...I can't keep being as immature as you, coming on digg, every ***** day and posting comments to fix your *****...CAPTDICK....YOU FAIL...BAHAHAHA....you're blocked...you should check your block list...lot of people blocked you dude...cause you're a ***** MORON.
          • captric, on 04/14/2008, -2/+1Well that is VERY CANADIAN of Travis to quite right in the middle of a good fight. You just do not have the stomach, the intellect, the education or the physique and training for a fight, verbal or otherwise. Whats the matter Travis- having trouble debating a 15 year old? I have no blocks at all last I looked - but I sure have made a lot of new friends that have been reading our banter for the last few weeks. And oh ya "dude", I think I am the only male in all of Vancouver who i NOT gay. So go cry on your boyfriends shoulder you little Canadian wimp.
    • stonebear, on 04/12/2008, -5/+4The world was too big for Germany and Japan together. Is it too big for China? WWIII in December 2012. You have been warned.
      • Lazydriver, on 04/12/2008, -2/+4Damn conspiracy theorists.

        What's the next day you're gonna pull, September 2039 because LE GASP, 100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF WORLD WAR II STARTS.
    • Neuro421, on 04/12/2008, -8/+1I can assure you that China will not the the instigator of such a war. I can also assure you that if the US did such a foolish thing, they will have a very difficult time contending with the 4 million chinese already in this country.
      • Sinnic, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4A very difficult time? Yea, I bet all those westernized Han chinese are just itching for the chance to rise up against their adopted homeland. Just like the ethnic Japanese did during World War II, right? Or the German immigrants in WWI?

        You can't assure *****, so don't talk out of your ass in the attempt to sound informed or relevant, because you're neither.

        It's not like the United States hasn't dealt with disgruntled minorities during wartime in the past, buddy. Korematsu v. United States (1944)...look it up. Wouldn't want to have to steal their ***** and sell it for pennies on the dollar while they're chilling in Idaho, would we?
    • BetterOffEd, on 04/12/2008, -4/+4I concur completely. They already own us almost outright. All they need to do now is muster the chutzpa to call in the note.
      • Elranzer, on 04/12/2008, -2/+2Just like the USA did to the UK when it called in on their debt to us from WW2 and outright took over the UK...
    • Hangly, on 04/12/2008, -0/+4Rival yes, but there's no real reason at the moment for China to go to war with the US.

      Japan is in deep ***** though. Revenge to the Chinese is almost a sacred duty, and Japan has a lot it needs to atone for.
  • LoJack, on 04/12/2008, -15/+7@jrcarscadden:
    ".. how much better it was to have a world super power that was a democracy (however flawed) not a dictatorship."
    Democracy .. like GWB who dictates other countries? No thanks!
    @flowersboy:
    "Mao Tse-tung (Made the number of people Hitler killed look like a joke) "
    GWB beats Mao hands-down. Did you maybe ask the Iraqis, you moron?
    @theutopian:
    "The next major war will be against China."
    Don't you have anything else but war? Grow up!
    • Typhoon2009, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1Like FDR, who helped get us out of the depression and greatly assisted the Allies in WWII
  • scabbers, on 04/12/2008, -13/+38"Abusing their own people, are unreliable business partners, and absolutely unscrupulous"

    Sounds a lot like America to me.
    • DestroyFascism, on 04/12/2008, -3/+3Sounds like any country in the world. The question is to what degree, America is a ***** hole of right wing stinking cronies that openly support corruption of government. WTF can you do but get arrested yelling at the sods for leaving their ***** on your front lawn.
    • ZenMojo, on 04/12/2008, -2/+1The reality is this. A country becomes a superpower using corrupt, inhuman methods. It gets wealthy quickly and suddenly conscientious and the majority of the lesser humanist elements agree with the vanguard of decency that it is unnecessary to exploit any segment of its society further. Instead, it outsources exploitation to a country looking to catch up quickly, itself tired of being exploited from the top down and far more willing to exploit its own using corrupt, inhuman methods. That country becomes a superpower and decides it is unnecessary to engage in evil within its own borders and exports exploitation elsewhere. This process generally repeats until a good portion of the globe refuses to be exploited anymore. Unfortunately, superpower status usually falls away in the meantime even though the standard of living usually increases.
  • Typhoon2009, on 04/12/2008, -9/+8I'd say the master of the world is the one with the most nukes.
    • scont, on 04/12/2008, -4/+3Yeah, you can sell them off when your economy collapses.
    • veloscaper, on 04/12/2008, -3/+3err...so Russia is? maybe most nukes with the most accuracy.....but we sold the ballistic accuracy tech to china...hmmm....perhaps the best move is not to play.
    • Neuro421, on 04/12/2008, -4/+1No that would be the stupidest country.
  • Armughan, on 04/12/2008, -7/+1I doubt it. Chinese don't go well with the Jews.
    • nirav72, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1yes, maybe not. But if I recall correctly, Israel sold China some missile technology couple of years ago. Google for it.
      • Armughan, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1israel sells war arms to half the world. That doesn't mean it supports them to become the next super power.
        • chewbie, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1"nukes don't kill people! People kill people!"
    • KiraDnote, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Chinese and Jews are similar. They are both family-oriented. Meaning the kids are attached to their parents and take care of them when they are old.
      • nirav72, on 04/12/2008, -0/+3Give the Chinese a few more years of economic prosperity , followed by rampant consumerism. See how long they will take care of their parents when they get old.
  • mjklaser, on 04/12/2008, -7/+5Very good article - DIGG it
  • racco, on 04/12/2008, -10/+2what language are you all speaking?

    End of discussion
    • jabela, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2嗨 (Don't think some of us aren't bilingual)
    • MrWhite7, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1American English. Typically it is Midwestern American English that foreigners tend to learn as it is deemed to have no discernible 'accent.'
      • mrigns, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2Most European countries teach British English in schools.
        • MrWhite7, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Do they teach it with British inflection? I'm referring to conversational business English.
      • FairDinkumMate, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1How US centric are you? Name a country other than the US that deems Midwestern American English to have no discernible 'accent'
        • MrWhite7, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1The Chinese, Argentinean, Russian, Bulgarian, Lithuanian, Japanese, and Chilean exchange students who all told me that businesses in their country encourage midwestern english as it is considered to have the least discernible accent...
    • Lueseiseki, on 04/12/2008, -2/+1And how did that end out? Yeah, we kicked all of your taxation-without-representation asses over there ---->
      Just because America invented the internets doesn't attribute anything to you guys.
    • smacksaw, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2Uhh...racco...I hate to break this to you...here's a little pop quiz for you.

      Which is the world's largest country of people who speak English?

      A. The UK
      B. The USA
      C. China

      The answer is...C

      We just happen to speak it better, speak it as our primary language and control the development of it with our culture.
      • racco, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1and why are they speaking English?

        because the English Rule! :-)

        if they didn't, why would they bother learning the language?

        • gratus08, on 04/13/2008, -0/+0Wrong. Because if they don't speak English, they will not be able to communicate with you. You are too stupid to learn to speak Chinese.
      • chewbie, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1we all have to agree on the lowest common denominator and that's english. Why English you ask? Because britain used to be a superpower + all the american culture being broadcast on the internet/television
      • FairDinkumMate, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1D. None of the above - India has the world's largest English speaking population by a country mile(900 million - 1 Billion people)
    • trejrco, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2Yeah, um two problems with that ...
      1) We (as a nation) are getting worse at speaking it (and refuse to make it a national language)
      2) People in other nations are getting better at speaking it ... better than "natives" in many cases.

      Sad but true ...
      /TJ
    • Hangly, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2毛泽东思想万岁!!!
      • racco, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1***** off!

        Iv got one word for you


        種族滅絕
  • Nayson, on 04/12/2008, -2/+21Seems they got an article from Steven Fry's podcast here then.

    The 19th century belonged to the British. (yay us!)
    The 20th century belonged to the USA.
    The 21st century will (probably) belong to China.

    Its simple maths really. The country with the most important economy in the world calls the shots. And China will have that sooner or later.
    • Morality, on 04/12/2008, -0/+8If China stops producing cheap goods and the world starts buying from India or several other smaller nations before they can develop sustainable economic forces, they will be the Cambodia of the 21st century. Lets not seem arrogant just yet.
      • Nayson, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1Its a big if though. Yes, industry will move from China when manufacture prices reach what they are in Europe and North America currently but that will take a while. You have to move to a place which has the infrastructure to carry off mass production for a start. I think China is well placed to move to front of the financial world and they have the will to stay there. I dont particularly like it, mostly because im a card carrying liberal and i dont particularly relish of the thought of them being in charge just yet. Im not sure the red machine will really take over until the latter half of the century, it was probably 20-40 years before America really became the superpower of the 20th century as Europe recovered from massive wars. We wont see wars like that in the west any time soon so it might need a different catalyst, but i think the the fact that the sheer population of China (four times that of the USA) can combine to produce an economy and a market its impossible to ignore. Yes, we will have a while selling stuff to the nouveaux riche in China, i dread to think how much money Bill Gates will make when they all start buying PC's for example, but i just think sooner or later China will find itself in the position where it becomes more important to the worlds economy than the USA or Europe are.
        • KiraDnote, on 04/12/2008, -0/+0The Chinese will go with free software: Linux or bootleg Windows. No profit for Gates.
          • chewbie, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1yupp. The chinese use Linux mostly in schools. Africa is the next China. China is the next italy/ sweden/ australia/ canada. fast forward --------> globalization. Nobody will really care about the chinese.
            China will still buy Coca-Cola, xboxes and nintendos though. And all that money won't really go into our (the people's) pockets. They will go to the corporate scum that we've learnt to live in a symbiosis with
          • Nayson, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Pedantically, Nintendo is Japanese.
      • veloscaper, on 04/12/2008, -1/+3given the foreign currency reserves China has, they already have us by the balls.
    • sk11, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2At some point Chinese wages will become too high, thereafter some other countries will take China's place as the world's factory.
      • veloscaper, on 04/12/2008, -0/+41 out of 3 people on the planet are either Chinese or Indian.
    • ZeusIncarnate, on 04/12/2008, -0/+0It is too early, in my opinion, to award this century to one nation. India has a lot of high income jobs, and if they can sort a few things out, like their infrastructure, they will be a major player on the world stage. Also, if the EU becomes a more powerful entity than it is now, such as the creation of a European Army, or taking steps towards being a more cohesive group, the century would belong to the EU. Though it is extremelly unlikely, if the EU were to pass a Constitution, and even become a single nation, it would overnight be the one true superpower in this world.
    • Hangly, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2More accurately, the latter half of the second millennium AD (1400 to 2000) belonged to the Christian West, from the Venetians all the way down to the Americans. That's how long the Arabs, Chinese, Indians, Africans, and Native Americans have been under the heel of white Europeans.
      China has a lot more than just a century coming to it.
  • daxsymbiont, on 04/12/2008, -18/+9bullshiiit.

    The British (in digg and in general) have still memories of past glories that can't let go. They grab any opportunity the can to show they are superior from others in any way imaginable.

    They are just a former pathetic empire, with brutal undemocratic processes ruling most of the known world through intimidation, fear and uncertainty, just like the US in the middle east today.
    • scabbers, on 04/12/2008, -2/+4Got dumped by a dumpy English bird, did you?
      • TheDiceMan, on 04/12/2008, -1/+3What a load of old *****! I don't think I've read anything more inane on
        Digg ever before!

        I'd be very interested to see how many British friends you actually have Dax and what basis you make your statement on.
    • irgeorge, on 04/12/2008, -1/+8Did you even read the article? Or just scan the headline and guess? A little tip, they weren't supposed to be 'greater than' signs, but indicating succession...
    • CrazedLeper, on 04/12/2008, -3/+5You're close. America is actually the agent of British aggression. The entirety of what you know about America has been a lie. The purpose of the Declaration of Independence has been to forestall the rebellion of a people who did not agree to be used to defend and generate wealth for the Queen. Their rebellion, however, has been no impediment to their complicity.

      American presidents and politicians have deceived their populace into supporting the interests of the Queen at every turn. Half of American presidents have been her distant relatives. Anyone who ascends in American politics can only do so if funded by some one of the European old-money banker families (Rothchilds, Schiffs, Oppenheimers, the "royal" family, etc)

      "Great" Britain, and not the US, is #1 but they know better than to promote that fact. Had they made themselves the target of the malice that is focused upon Americans from all the world over, they would be unable to defend themselves since they are not a populous nation and are surrounded on all sides. The US, on the other hand, is in a perfect tactical position. No enemy has been able to reach it's shores.

      I submit, therefore, that Britain has outsourced the dirty and bloody work of deploying soldiers to a people stupid enough to put their face on such evil policies all the while reclining and reaping the profits through the "Federal" Nothing-in-Reserve Bank deception. Without exception, Americans have believed every lie and fallen for every deception and will fall for the next one, too.
      • worldinmyeyes, on 04/12/2008, -2/+6Thanks for speaking the truth although it will fall on mostly deaf ears. Most people are deluded into thinking Great Briain takes orders from the US, while in actuality it is the other way around. I laugh when people liken the Royals to a tourist attraction and believe they hold little real power. That's the product of media lies and a dumbed-down school system.

        I believe George Bush is directly working for the Queen of England. Rubbish they will say. The even believe yeah, he really wants America to do well, but he and his administration are too stupid to see they are ruining the country.

        What do you think European Royalty felt about the Revolution? They simply adapted their game of control to buy our leaders (most Presidents have had ties to Royalty), set our policy, and ruin the country. Their plan is just about complete.

        Some even say we never truly had freedom, and are still a British Colony. Before writing this off as bunk, read people can read "The US is Still A British Colony.: http://www.civil-liberties.com/books/index.html

        But, if most people haven't heard it in school or hadn't heard it on TV, then it can't be true. Cognitive dissidence is strong.

        • irgeorge, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2You known, cognitive dissonance works both ways ...
          • worldinmyeyes, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2Well I once scoffed at the truth (as I'm now learning it). But the important thing is when you're presented with something that is totally out of your range of belief and experience, to keep an open mind and search for the truth yourself. Ask to see evidence, and by all means look at both sides. I don't ask people to believe me - I ask them to ask questions and do research. Yet many would rather not question their own view of reality and are quite hostile when asked to.
        • CrazedLeper, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2You join the ranks of the informed. The US is truly a colony and has always been. There are but a few of us but we're better off without the company of masses of the willfully deceived.
          • worldinmyeyes, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2They've really done an amazing job at concealing the truth through the centuries. Re-writing history, the textbooks, controlling the media, funding propaganda, and even influencing Hollywood movies. They have their hands on almost every information source out there.

            The other great evil entity that is rarely discussed and has concealed their true role in history is the Catholic Church. Yep, they even were behind the murder of Abraham Lincoln. And most people believe the Royals are not tied into the Catholic Church when they are.

            British Royals + Catholic Church + International Bankers account for some of the biggest atrocities the world has ever seen. Their endgame will soon be felt by all.
          • CrazedLeper, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2You are correct. The catholic church has intentionally misinterpreted the Bible and filled the world with misconceptions about it's content. They never believed anything they say but a majority of people have believed and obeyed them throughout the centuries despite having the ability and material (though not the will) to read for themselves.

            I believe this phenomenon became the model for subsequent organizations which rely on deception such as those which comprise the MilitAry indusTRIal compleX, CIA, FBI, MSM, Mosaad, et al.

            They all now know that they can say anything, no matter how ridiculous, improbable or even impossible (magic bullet, anyone?) and a sufficient number of people will, not only believe them but fight for them just because they have authority.

            The scenario plays out over and over again but the masses never catch on.
          • worldinmyeyes, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Look into the Jesuits if you have a chance. That is where the real corruption lies.

            This is from a link I found: http://www.abelard.org/hitler/hitler.htm

            “The catholic church has spilt more blood than any other religion.” Hitler, as reported by Reinhold Hanisch, circa 1910.[23] “The enemies of National Socialism include not only the ‘jewish Marxists’ and the catholics but also certain elements of an incorrigible, stupid and reactionary bourgeoisie.” Speech by Hitler, 1 April 1933.[24] Hitler and his prime revolutionary conspirators had their attitudes formed by catholic teaching. Authoritarianism is at the very core of the Church of Rome, so it is hardly surprising that such an attitude permeated the perspective of catholic politicians. The mixture of authoritarianism and anti-Semitism generated an explosive mix in Hitler’s Germany. The Church has long been intolerant of any deviation from the party line and millions have paid for dissent with their lives. That intolerance and ‘certainty’ is inculcated from childhood and the child is encouraged to utter obedience. The demand for unquestioning obedience leaves the young adult adrift without useful independence of mind. There is little ability to ‘think for oneself’, leaving a yearning for authority and a fear of freedom or responsibility. It becomes a small step to find willing hands to follow any pogrom or crusade. Jews are the historic scapegoats of the Catholic Church. Catholicism is a Jewish schism. As is widespread with schisms, bitterness is common. WW1 and WW2 were much about rivalries between the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church, another long-term religious schism. Both forms of christianism make scapegoats of Jews. There are also echoes of the feudal quarrels that have been common down the centuries, particularly in the case of the first World War. Trade rivalries also played a part, as modern industrial Europe developed on the back of imperialistic ambition. In 1918, the powerful industrialist Henry Ford, rich on the development of motor car mass-production, bought a newspaper, The Dearborn Independent. In it he published a series of scurrilous attacks on ‘jews’. These were published in 1920, in book form, as The International Jew, which was published around the world in many languages. He blamed ‘the international jew’ for financing the war. In 1927, Ford formally retracted his attacks and sold the paper. Ford’s articles are effectively repeated in Mein Kampf, published in 1925–6. Ford was also involved in financing Hitler.[25] Mein Kampf was considerably written/edited by a Catholic priest. Hitler was raised as a catholic. He dreamt of being an abbot when he was young. Hitler was forever studying the hierarchy of the Jesuit organisation.[26]

            Himmler, head of the SS, was catholic. The SS was set up on the Jesuit model. Goebbels was catholic. Hoss, the camp commandant of Auschwitz, was catholic. Frank,‘the butcher of Poland’, was catholic. Mussolini was catholic. Franco was catholic. Salazar was catholic. The worst dictatorships and greatest social inequalities in South America are under catholic administrations. The Catholic Church is implicated in both the first and second World Wars. The part played by cardinal Pacelli, later Pope Pius 12th, is well analysed in Hitler’s Pope[27]. Pacelli systematically undermined the powerful catholic Centre Party[28] negotiating them out of political action in accord with Hitler’s wishes. The Centre Party, which had been important in resisting Bismarck, was thus neutralised. The foolishness was forwarded in particular by Papen, Centre Party deputy and Weimar Chancellor; and by Kaas, who was a priest, Centre Party leader, and a Centre Party representative in the Weimar government. A series of Weimar government leaders (Chancellors), who steadily centralised power, paved the way for Hitler’s eventual power grab.

            Many of the top ‘philosophy’ and theology posts at Oxford and Cambridge have been held by catholics. Most of the British establishment come via Oxford and Cambridge, hence much of that which is ‘inconvenient’ is often not emphasised in academic writing. The Catholic Church has garnered considerable experience through the rewriting history for much of the last 2000 years. See also Heresies, authority, quarrels and words on this site.

            The first ‘state’ to recognise Hitler’s third Reich was the Vatican.
          • CrazedLeper, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1I'm sure they've been molesting children the whole time. What a hideous organization.
        • worldinmyeyes, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Also, I wasn't real excited when someone first told me to check into the Jesuits. I didn't know much about them, my impression was they can't be that bad, and it took me awhile to finally look into it. I'm glad I did. Eric Jon Phelps is maybe the best author on the subject. I urge you to listen to some of his audio interviews if you get a chance:
          http://snipurl.com/24a3y [www_archive_org]
          • Jlaugh, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1I know the Catholic Church has done some messed up ***** over the years, but I have a Jesuit education and every Jesuit I've met has been pretty cool. Yes they're really into their religion, but in the words of my favorite Jesuit, "the Catholic church is a big tent religion".
          • worldinmyeyes, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1As with most secret groups/societies/hierarchies/military orders - not everyone is involved directly, and the further you get to the top, is where the agenda is set and controlled. Nearly all Catholics have no idea what is going on with their church, and I suspect many Jesuits as well. There is a former Jesuit priest named Alberto Rivera who exposed some of what Jesuits do. Of course there was and is a huge campaign to attack his credibility but after researching myself, I tend to believe him. Regardless, there is a ton of info out there on the CC and Jesuits. You would do well to find out why exactly has the CC done so much messed up *****, as you say.
          • Jlaugh, on 04/14/2008, -0/+1I think you should look to the Lutherans they clearly had something to do with nazi Germany, why restrict yourself to Catholics.
  • lazyidiot, on 04/12/2008, -15/+10Article consists of wrong information. Tata, which took over Jaguar and Land Rover is an Indian company, not a chinese firm.
    • HalfGiraffe, on 04/12/2008, -3/+11And that's exactly what the article said.
      • jabraham08, on 04/12/2008, -0/+6In the text yes, however look caption under the picture of Tata NaNo.

        "The launch of the Tata Nano: The Chinese company has now taken over British manufactuing giants Land Rover and Jaguar"

  • daxsymbiont, on 04/12/2008, -14/+9Digg is full of hypocrites from the US, Britain and the 'Commonwealth' (i.e. Britain's little bitches) that try to prove the world is better of with them dominating it.

    Too bad they forget their brutal dictatorships is what they made their empires and too bad they don't see even today they rule most of the known world through undemocratic processes, intimidation and uncertainty, e.g. them middle east wars while most of the populations there want them out. Democracy my ass. They just want control over the most precious resource currently.
    • Nayson, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5I think you have to appreciate what kind of rag the Daily Mail is.
      Its the far right voters tabloid of choice. Its headlines are generally "outraged" editorials speaking against immigrants, blacks, jews, muslims, teenagers, single parents, the working class and people who dont think Princess Diana was the greatest person ever (they still have a Princess Di front page every monday despite it being 11 years since her death)

      A sweeping generalisation suggesting we are all like that is a bit naive. Great Britain is a country which has has voted for a government which isnt the Daily Mail's choice since 1997. We arent all like that. Would you like it if people tarred Americans with the gun shooting, sister *****, mayonnaise sandwich eating redneck stereotype?
      • bphicke, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2We prefer all being labeled "Fat cheeseburger eating American pigs" /s
      • smacksaw, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2Mayonnaise? Why you gotta bring this down with the Belgians in there?
      • Lazydriver, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Mayo? That's too damn sophisticated.

        No, we use Moonshine sauce.
    • Morality, on 04/12/2008, -0/+5Edit: Digg is full of idiots. End wall of text.
    • KiraDnote, on 04/12/2008, -2/+3Dude, what's with the hate? England was bad. So was Spain, Germany, Japan, Russia, etc. etc. etc. The history of the world is disgustingly full of war and inhumanity. Don't blame it on the English.
      • daxsymbiont, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1of course but im talking of the idiots calling their country better than anyone else's and that it should rule all else.
    • JointVenture, on 04/12/2008, -3/+1Heres the thing sparky, we did a lot wrong, but we have fixed and are continuing to fix these issues.
    • DestroyFascism, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Kinda true. The Brits spent the best part of 300 years pissing on the French over "Spices"////

      Cinnamon stick anyone?
    • worldinmyeyes, on 04/12/2008, -1/+4daxsymbiont - being dugg down, for speaking the truth. The US and Great Britain do rule the world today, but primarily done covertly through economic means (corporations, extortion, assasinations, funding of dictators, secret societies, and think tanks). And if that doesn't work, they use military force to control the world's natural resources. The raping and plundering is still being done today, yet people still think we're promoting democracy out there...
      • worldinmyeyes, on 04/12/2008, -0/+3I should have mentioned international banking as one of the biggest means of control.
    • Hangly, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Amritsar
  • Mawds, on 04/12/2008, -2/+23Time to start practising my Chinglish
    • robbiemuffin, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1I don't know what that is, but... it sounds kinky.
  • jabela, on 04/12/2008, -1/+14China's morals are simple "Business is Business". When the Chinese make a deal with other countries, they don't add strings or ask irrelevant questions. That is why the South Americans like them and why Europeans and Americans buy their goods.... China has one simple aim, to become rich.... If you can't understand that, then you've got a big problem! By the way they also like to horde their wealth, so don't expect to see any of your US Dollars back any time soon....
    • JointVenture, on 04/12/2008, -1/+1Yes, the Chinese government will let "capitalism" flourish till they get a large enough army and navy and then the PRC will nationalize the companies.
      • DestroyFascism, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2I doubt it...
        The companies are already stacked in the parliament..
        • JointVenture, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1That's my point.

          You see if you're in the government and you own the companies when the government takes them over you still own them.
          • chewbie, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1you've got it wrong. The parliament is filled with company-owners. imagine lobbyists that make the laws not having to gain approval. It's that bad
      • robbiemuffin, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1Was that sarcastic? I mean, this is 1.4 billion people - China we're talking about. They have the biggest army on Earth, and a pool of reserves that is almost literally bottomless.

        Its the infrastructure curve (and maybe technology) they are behind. About the only way china could pull off a visit to the moon right now would be to form a human ladder. ;)
  • macmangb, on 04/12/2008, -9/+1The US must take a stand against China now, before they become too powerful to be stopped.

    The tyrannical regime there secretly tests its biological weapons on political prisoners and ethnic minorities (like the Tibetans) and use these very same weapons on some of there own disenfranchised citizens (the rural farmers that are being exploited by the Communist appointed local government). There are plenty of youtube clips that have been smuggled out by a few brave individuals that show this. Do not let their efforts go to waste!
    • CrazedLeper, on 04/12/2008, -1/+8The US has taken a stand against China but why should that stop them from borrowing all it's money? The US policies are no less evil than the Chinese. The US imprisons more people than anyone. The US executes. The US tortures and lies about it. The US attacks itself and blames other people. The US fights "pre-emptive" wars without cause. The US deals drugs to it's own people, throws them in jail for buying them and then uses the money to fund rebels in other countries.

      You'd better unwrap that lying flag from around your head and take a look around. The moral mountain you think you're standing on is the bodies of the victims of ghastly policies which you are blindly promoting.
  • daxsymbiont, on 04/12/2008, -7/+29Democracy my ass (the so called 'West'):

    "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.": http://www.chomsky.info/talks/1990----.htm
    • trejrco, on 04/12/2008, -8/+4Sorry, IMHO quoting Chomsky is an almost automatic thumbs-down ...
      • bobburn, on 04/12/2008, -3/+2especially when the quote is simply due to his socialistic leanings.
  • GzThai, on 04/12/2008, -12/+4Thanks: elites, central banking, BIG government, minimum wage..
  • fabkebab, on 04/12/2008, -5/+12I always enjoy a slice of xenophobia with my morning coffee
    • JointVenture, on 04/12/2008, -5/+1Xenophobia, the new homophobia of misused words.
  • EdDiggEd, on 04/12/2008, -9/+26Honestly, this is incredible:

    "this is not a superpower that respects Western standards on human rights"
    &
    "From several centuries of egalitarian, high-principled values and concern for others"

    Truly, China is not the free man's best friend, but to think that either of these two concepts describe America or Great Britain is horribly absurd. Both countries have ravaged areas such as Africa, India, South America and the Middle East in order to increase their dominance and wealth, typically to the detriment of their own citizens (from blow-back, wasted wealth, neglected domestic problems, and of course the whole moral problem of the country you love and support carrying out despicable deeds under your flag).

    I think we can all get through this transition easily if we just look at it as that we are being controlled by group of horribly destructive, wealthy and corrupt people who hate us, that will soon have less power and influence than that other group of horribly destructive, wealthy and corrupt people who hate us.
    • CrazedLeper, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2Well told. You should expect -15 diggs for telling the truth. Shame on you for not blindly following the crowd.
    • DestroyFascism, on 04/12/2008, -0/+2You will be assimilated
  • smacksaw, on 04/12/2008, -6/+8Three good quotes at the end:

    "But Western attitudes will change as well, with a likely shift to the political Right. White liberal guilt, the driving force behind political correctness, will subside as Westerners feel threatened by the global order changing, and their supremacy slipping away."

    I think you're seeing that in places like Denmark and Sweden. In my opinion, political correctness was the wrong cure for the right problem, the problem of the west running roughshod all over the developing world. Many people criticised the US melting pot. Now that they have segregated ghettos in their backyards who are very hostile, people will begin to rethink that.

    "Anti-Americanism will disappear as Europeans realise how much better it was to have a world super power that was a democracy (however flawed) not a dictatorship."

    Very true. Anti-Americanism will disappear as the US has less and less influence on the world. Instead, I think you'll see Europe using the US as the proxy to say and do the ugly things it's mixed populations cannot, which is to stand up and be brash when needed. We Americans are good at that.

    "There is even speculation that the intense economic pressure on countries such as Britain will cause them to trim down their bloated welfare state, simply because it will no longer be affordable at present levels."

    I disagree. But I do think a different kind of welfare state, like Nordic socialism will arise. I think we're preparing for it in the US. If we cannot compete on the world market, we will all have to close up a bit and take care of ourselves. We cannot beat the raw people power of China and India. We will have to close our borders to trade with them, raise taxes, employ people at home and take care of ourselves. Even the US politicians are starting to realise that. Using our wealth to compete with China is lunacy. We should use it to enrich ourselves while we've still got it.
    • whatwhatwhoa, on 04/12/2008, -1/+2Welfare undermines self sufficiency and eats up other people's wealth.
  • jamflux, on 04/12/2008, -3/+21Isn't Tata an Indian company? Wikipedia says it is.