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- inactive, on 08/11/2008, -129/+538Apparently, what no one has the balls to point out on digg is that this is the ghetto, these people apparently cannot conduct themselves in a civilized fashion, and are a danger to themselves and their neighbors. It is a symptom that our judicial and penal system is broken, that no one no longer fears the consequences of committing a crime and that there is no deterrence to their criminal behavior. Thanks to Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society. While I do not approve of Marshall Law, there's nothing wrong with imposing a curfew. Among aspects of martial law are censorship of radio and newspapers, prohibition of the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages, prohibition of gatherings people in the street, and requirement of a permit from the local military authorities before any public meeting can be held. A curfew on the other hand is merely an attempt to crack down on the criminal element during hours where they are the biggest threat., which apparently Helena is in need of.
Perhaps if Helena's fine citizens were to act responsibly with their freedoms, that maybe they would not need to waste the taxpayer's money in requiring the authorities to babysit them.
I would tend to be concerned about the imposition of Marshall law, if this was a city or town that was shut down for insurrection. Helena, Arkansas is NOT an example of Marshall Law. Insurrection, by the way, is an armed uprising, or revolt against an established civil or political authority. These animals are killing each other and are uprising against their own neighbors because of their own antisocial and uncivilized behavior. Then again, if the authorities were ordered pulled out for their own safety to leave these animals alone to their own devices, there would be bitching that there's no protection for the citizens at all. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. - akh4x0r, on 08/10/2008, -35/+433YouTube submitters need to stop with the "notes"
- inactive, on 08/10/2008, -33/+246Never let idiots run a town/city/county.
Martial law isn't required to cut down on crime. Martial law only depresses the economy and the people. - inactive, on 08/10/2008, -24/+211We gonnna pop them in the head.
- AeroMerde, on 08/11/2008, -29/+190It's easy to bitch about it when you're sitting in your comfortable suburban room at a computer desk.
Try living with what these people deal with and you'll understand the desperation. This isn't martial law... it's a curfew.
There's no grand conspiracy here, no matter how hard a lot of you want to see one. Inflammatory and inaccurate. Buried. - pjs1840, on 08/11/2008, -12/+138It's MARTIAL LAW, not MARSHALL LAW. Get a brain! Morans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law - Chadh21, on 08/10/2008, -4/+127"Video annotations, once published, are shown by default. You can turn them off while watching a video through the "Menu" button on the bottom right of the video player."
-From YouTube - drmobutu, on 08/11/2008, -6/+123Who is this Marshall Law guy, you are referring to? The local Sheriff?
- Minarchian, on 08/10/2008, -27/+122Small doses of this crap, here and there, and it will placate the people into not seeing anything wrong with it.
- TruckStuff, on 08/11/2008, -34/+118Curfew != "Marshall Law"
Buried as inaccurate. - RaulMuadDib, on 08/11/2008, -2/+73It's just going to get WORSER.
- blqysmg, on 08/10/2008, -19/+89This is so sad. My family is from West Helena, Arkansas, although we moved away 40 years ago. I stopped going back for visits 20 years ago because it was too depressing. Even back then there was 40% unemployment, and people had just given up trying to do anything to better themselves. I can fully believe that it has sunk to the point where nothing exists but the strong thugs preying on the weak.
Still, I'd like to see someone try to prosecute me for being outside but on my own property. My lawyers would have a field day, and the city government would owe me some money, I'm betting (wrongful arrest, etc.) - eigenweasel, on 08/11/2008, -2/+68I can't believe they failed to put 'Barrel 3' on that fat white cop. :)
- Rogpog777, on 08/11/2008, -24/+89Is anyone else sick of this sensationalistic *****?
Frankly I am sick and tired of seeing people talking about the end of the world or USA conspiracies or people trying to take over the world. I mean if this were all true, don't you think we have the means to do this quicker? Without all the cloak and dagger *****?
Get a grip on reality people: the world isn't ending, no one is capable of taking over the world, or if they are, no body wants to. If they really did, they would have done it already. When you stop being so god damned paranoid about everything, you can start caring about real things, like your family, getting a job, not being a waste of sensationalistic space. - Minarchian, on 08/11/2008, -6/+52Wow you're actually saying you that you think you don't have a Right to be on your own property, after a certain time, because some Mayor is on a power trip?
That's amazing man. - DewKnight, on 08/11/2008, -5/+51Normally annotations are ridiculous, but these were full of awesome.
- drmobutu, on 08/11/2008, -5/+50Martial Law != "Marshall Law"
- sgiffy, on 08/11/2008, -5/+49So some ***** little town introduces a curfew. I am waiting for how this equals anything other than a mayor implementing a curfew. If the residents of the town do not support it, and there is little reason to think its a good idea, there are plenty of ways they can take action.
Also please tell me where in the Constitution it prohibits municipalities form having curfews. - luke16, on 08/11/2008, -2/+45Barrel 1
- sdocpublishing, on 08/11/2008, -22/+61I do not know how you guys go from a Martial Law headline, (the Mayor's own words are "This is akin to Martial Law") to attacking the 9/11 Truth movement and Ron Paul supporters.
Why do you not discuss how the Mayor says, "We gonna pop 'em in the head". Innocent till proven guilty? Not in Helena it seems, just the Mayors Death Penelty of a pop to the head for breaking curfew. But that is alright, just those pesky black drug dealers, and if they weren't guilty, the police would not have shot them.
You could talk about the fact that the police and the citizenry have allowed an environment to exist that such measures have to be enacted.
There is also the conversation that well armed citizens are much less likely to be raped or robbed. In Kennesaw, Georgia, it is mandatory for every home to own a gun and be able to use it. There is almost no crime in that city.
Article here: http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/2nd_Amend/crime_rate ...
That is just off the top of my head. I am sure their are many other legal and moral issues pertinent to this news article that could be discussed instead of spitting hatred and behaving in a "Ditto Head" reactionary manner.
Besides, *snicker*, I bet half of you still have a Rudy 08 stickers on your vehicle, right next to the big W that lets everyone know YOU are responsible for the state of this nation.
Thanks Guy! - Whorebane, on 08/11/2008, -5/+43Until we find the thief, I am declaring Martian law. Under Martian law doctors and other wizards are forbidden.
- FrizzleyFry, on 08/11/2008, -7/+45You lost me at "Marshall Law"
- Minarchian, on 08/11/2008, -9/+45First off..KJ, cram your crickets up your ass.
rj, tyranny is not the answer to dealing with life's problems. The purpose of government is to secure and protect our Rights, what this mayor is doing is taking them away. It's aways a bad answer and leads to worse and worse answers until there's nothing left.
The problem with people today is that they rely too heavily on government to bail them out. When they should only be looking for government to empower themselves. Those in government should be looking at the ordinances and try to learn what it is in them that could be keeping the people back from fully protecting themselves, the police can not fully protect the people and it has even been ruled by the SCOTUS that they don't necessarily have to, and it would be ignorant to think they could without trampling Rights.
It's like the old saying. Something about giving a man a fish and he'll eat for the day, but train him to fish and he can eat a lifetime. If the City empowers the citizens with the tools they need it will put less strain on the police, retain and expand liberty, and force the crime rates down.
First thing the Mayor could do is to get an ordinance passed like that in Kennesaw, Georgia, where it is mandatory (mostly) for citizens to own a handgun. That City saw a huge decrease in crime that has remained to this day. Just let the criminals know that everyone has a weapon and those ***** will think twice about what they do. Most criminals are predators who prey on the weak and those who are not able to protect themselves.
Second thing I would do is a lot research to see what other things in the code book that can be repealed that may be holding the people back from protecting themselves, and finding out what other cities have done that works while still retaining the People's Rights.
Empowering the people is always the best answer. It's the main reason we are having these problems today. It's not because government is not powerful enough, it's because WE, the People, have lost our power. - Rotzooi, on 08/11/2008, -3/+37/waits for someone unfamiliar with the 'moran' meme to digg you down for misspelling the word...
- Norumeni, on 08/11/2008, -14/+48annotations are awesome!
- bs0l, on 08/11/2008, -3/+33Yeah, great, how do I disable all of them no matter what?
- TrevorBelmont, on 08/11/2008, -8/+35"While I do not approve of Marshall Law, there's nothing wrong with imposing a curfew. Among aspects of martial law are censorship of radio and newspapers,..."
I can see the exact point where you let "ctrl V" and Wikianswers take over your writing. It was the moment you learned to spell "martial" and that it isn't a proper noun, both of which you later forgot again.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_martial_law - Minarchian, on 08/11/2008, -5/+32Hey...big government lover....you don't know ***** about what you're talking about.
WTFV
It says ANYONE, no matter the age is under curfew.
I would not stand for it and if you love your liberty neither should you.
But one look at your comment history it's clear you don't believe in liberty. But you suuuure do love police state tactics....dontcha? - yuutokun, on 08/11/2008, -4/+31oh no! Things are going to get worser!
- Tomboys, on 08/11/2008, -12/+38Not according to my face that was pistol whipped 5 times by 5 black Americans at 10:30 PM a block from my home. Cry me a river with that poor me I was born black *****.
Next!
PS wanna see photos give me an email address an I'll show you my elephant man face from the beating. And I'm a chick. - c010rb1indusa, on 08/11/2008, -1/+25Dugg for "It'll make it worser"
- notadiggtard, on 08/11/2008, -10/+32Bravo!!
I would add that perhaps without the pervasive"no snitching"attitude among younger people you might not have to sleep on the floor in hopes of avoiding stray bullets.
Also thank God the mayor is black or the Race Whores Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would be down there with their bullhorns screaming Oppression!
By the way,curfews are not new,nor a symptom of creeping fascism.The little peaceful country town in upstate NY my parents were from had one at least into the sixties when we went to visit. - inactive, on 08/11/2008, -0/+22They remind me of pop-up video on VH1.
- pyrewyrm, on 08/11/2008, -10/+32Umm... Martial Law is the declaration of military control of an area.... not the imposition of curfews and other oppressive ordinances within a given area...
In addition, all the sheeple need to do is march on city hall and kick the tyrants out...
Buried for sucking, not being illegal or against the constitution, and for displaying sheeple going along with stupid ideas. - sumdog, on 08/11/2008, -0/+21Yea I couldn't believe he said that either. That's a great way to end the video.
- mille716, on 08/11/2008, -3/+24I have a couple problems with your post. I'm not trying to start a flame war either here, just posting my thoughts.
1.) There are degrees of Martial Law and everybody's definition of martial law will be different. I would argue you could call it martial law even if the curfew and punishments are in response to high levels of crime, rather than an armed insurrection. The mayor even admitted its strikingly similar to martial law and the possibility it might be.
2.) Helena clearly needs solutions to their crime problem. I will fully admit the problem may be horrendous enough to warrent a temporary curfew (I'll use your term) but would point out its a very, very upsetting solution that defies many basic American rights. A response above put it well, in American tradition you cannot arrest someone for what they might do. You're also dictating what people can or cannot do on their own property. Whatever your thoughts are on this, it's a pretty grey legal area the mayor and police are on.
3.) What else is being done? Any sociologist will point out you can't scare a community into ridding itself of crime and self-destructive behavior. Its nieve to think that a curfew will keep criminals out of trouble forever. Where is the carrot? Dangerous communities elsewhere have risen out of crime waves through community action programs. What is being offered at Helena? You just can't treat an entire neighborhood as criminals and expect them to succeed. If this is part of a necessary evil for one part of a thought out action plan, it might work. Otherwise, I fear its just a bandaid to the real problem.
4.) Your post did seem rascist, like it or not. The use of coded language, "these people" "ghetto" and "animals" carries a heavy race connotations.
5.) As someone who works in a high crime, minority area (I hate to use it but "ghetto" to many of you), I understand that most of the people living there are decent, lawful, hardworking citizens. It only takes a small percentage of the neighborhood who are criminals to stain an area with violence. The question here is the fairness of punishing (is that even the right word?) those who are positive elements in the neighborhood for the crimes of the criminal population. What happened to their rights? What if the positive influences in the neighborhood are too bothered by this move and leave to other parts of the city? Unitended consequences are a bitch.
6.) My understanding of Johnson's Great Society was that he largely didn't get it rolling due to the country's preoccupation with the Vietnam War. I looked it up on wikipedia and didn't find anything on Johnson lessening laws for violent crime. The laws he did get passed concerned Civil Rights (mostly voting and housing rights), the War on Poverty (mostly funding different community volunteer groups) and Education (giving federal money to public schools). If you can back up Johnson weakening the penal system, I'd be interested to see it. - samthurston, on 08/11/2008, -14/+35You're right that this is correctly to be labeled a curfew and not martial law. You're clearly a terrible human being, however that's your problem.
Rampant crime is usually due to economic conditions. Not that people are so poor they need to steal, but that not having jobs or anything better to do, they turn to criminal activity in a state of boredom. With nothing meaningful in their lives, there's nothing to fear from being imprisoned.
I'm sure most of "Helena's fine citizens" are acting responsibly, it doesn't take a large portion of the population to initiate a crime wave. In an article about the situation, I read that the mayor has ordered sanitation crews to clean up the alleyways and install better lighting in the affected area. Sounds like this should have been done a while ago. The article also notes that only a small area of town is covered by the curfew.
But you've clearly done your research, referring to this area as a ghetto (you've been there?), calling the people who live there "animals". You obviously have taken the time to understand the motivations and problems of the people in Helena-West Helena, AK. It's not like you would make these comments as a way to thinly and ineffectively veil your racism, now, would you? WOULD YOU? - blinkfink182, on 08/11/2008, -0/+20^ Barrel 1
- sailadayaway, on 08/11/2008, -1/+21I live in sector 3, what sector do you live in??
5?
Damn, we had a good connection too, I felt like we could go somewhere... Oh well.. - republicker, on 08/11/2008, -5/+25Why not just put them in prison camps? lol You cant enact policies like this based on what people might do. You have to commit a crime first and you cannot disallow people to stand on their own property because they might get shot.
- auto98, on 08/11/2008, -0/+20Marshall Law was a tv series set in australia - i have no idea what it has to do with martial law though O_o
- Rainemaker, on 08/11/2008, -3/+22Obviously Curfew and Marshall law are different, but; after the hurricanes in 2004, many of us Floridians in the impacted places were under "curfew" [see: National Guardsmen with Tanks and Guns in Camo patrolling the streets]. Obviously there were concerns about looting, but with that said, they could do anything they wanted with you. God forbid you needed to go take aunt millie some water, or went looking for some gasoline for your generator, you could be expected to be stopped and interrogated at "gun point" [see M16]. This inlcuded being removed from your car and having it's contents searched.
The situation I described and the Helena situation are quite different, but what is important is the subjective nature of the word Curfew. - Myonosken, on 08/11/2008, -0/+19Bloke from Tekken.
- gforce051, on 08/11/2008, -5/+24The mayor said "pop dem in the head"
- gymbrall, on 08/11/2008, -0/+17Thank you for making this comment.
The point everyone's forgetting is this: regardless of whether the mayor is making the right call or not, this is exactly the level you want the call to be made on. Even if the mayor does go power mad, at least it is easy enough to escape him. Even if he does go crazy, you can expect someone to be able to oppose him (neighboring towns, the state, the Federal government, etc). Even if he does go absolutely nuts, at least the capacity he has to cause death and destruction is severely limited.
The problem with power like this, is when it is used nationally. Who do you appeal to then? How do you escape it? It is much easier to stand up to a local tyrant than to a national one. It is much easier to flee a city than a nation. - Hetman, on 08/11/2008, -2/+19End the war on drugs, and you will effectively have eliminated most gangs. Most gangs only exist as a way to sale/transport illegal drugs. There would still be some gangs running guns and probably doing small time bank robberies etc. But their main form of profit would be eliminated therefor making them not a necessary as they are today.
- lamech, on 08/11/2008, -1/+17If you outlaw freedom of movement, only outlaws will have freedom of movement
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