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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "Israel a dirty microbe"
ynetnews.com — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is at it again: Speaking in the southern Iranian city of Bandar Abbas, Ahmadinejad launched yet another verbal attack on Israel: "World powers have created a dirty microbe, called the Zionist regime, which they have unleashed on the region's nations," said Ahmadinejad.
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- firebringer, on 02/21/2008, -103/+44The religion of peace!
The sooner Iran is liberated from the control of these worshippers of a fale prophet the safer the world and the region will be. The West made a bit of a mess of liberating Iraq. Hopefully if they decide to liberate Iran they will make a better job of it. Certainly they would loosen the grasp of a tyranical religion.- ramo13, on 02/21/2008, -16/+39Frankly, I think associating him with Islam is a disgusting twist you just made here, you do know that religion is just used as means to achieve personal ends, if you still don't believe me, think of how Hitler used christianity to attack jews who "killed jesus", and to add more, you are no more civilized than Mr. Ahmadinejad.
- sk11, on 02/21/2008, -23/+6So you're implying that without religion there'd be fewer wars?
- Worldviewsblog, on 02/21/2008, -10/+20I think that's a very strong possibility, don't you?
- someguyouknow, on 02/21/2008, -4/+20Hmmm... I dunno. Humans are pretty stupid. We would find something else to fight about.
- Worldviewsblog, on 02/21/2008, -7/+15"Humans are pretty stupid. We would find something else to fight about."
You're right of course. It was just wishful thinking on my part. - ncairns, on 02/21/2008, -13/+11It's an absolute certainty. Find me a war anywhere in human history that wasn't motivated by either religion or resources.
- asskey, on 02/21/2008, -2/+7People would find other reasons to fight. So more rationalized wars, perhaps, fewer wars, I think not.
- Murdats, on 02/21/2008, -4/+3more rationalised conflicts would leave themself more open to diplomacy, how is diplomacy meant to help in a religious conflict?
"so your imaginary guy in the sky said to kill us all hey?, what if we give you some exta land? no? cloud man still wants us all dead?" - makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -7/+5WTF weren't most wars in history over land?
- nospinhere, on 02/21/2008, -11/+5A lot of wars were caused by Christians fanaticism that they must convert all savages to Christianity. Of course that doesn't occur anymore in any religion, other then Islam.
- Winston84, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5No I don't. Wars are not started over religion, they are about power,money and resources.
"God" only enters the equation when the rich ***** need normal decent people as cannon-fodder.
If the bankers who always finance both parties in a war told you that they want you to die for their profit what would you tell them ?
something like "Go f*ck yourself scumbag".. that's why they DONT tell the truth but start babbling about "God, King and Country" .
Like they give a ***** about either .. - anonym41414, on 02/21/2008, -2/+1"Find me a war anywhere in human history that wasn't motivated by either religion or resources."
The US war in Afghanistan
The US invasion of Iraq
The Yugoslav civil war
The Afghan civil war
The Soviet war in Afghanistan
The Falklands war
The civil war in El Salvador
The Vietnam war
The Korean war
The Second World War
The First World War
The Russian civil war
The Spanish-American War
The US Civil War
The Crimean War
The Texas revolutionary war
The War of 1812
The American Revolution
The Napoleonic Wars
The French Revolutionary wars
The Seven Years' War
Dude, these are just the ones that spring to mind off the top of my head. History is positively littered with major and minor wars that had absolutely nothing to do with either religion or natural resources. If you had to find common themes among all the wars in history, the ones you find most often are territorial expansion and independence/self-determination.
If you want to indict religion as a cause of war, then you'd better indict the damn-near universal will of people to rule themselves, because that motive has led to far more and deadlier wars than conflicts over religion have.
- midbc, on 02/21/2008, -4/+5yes
- manicleek, on 02/21/2008, -3/+5Obviously, take the total number of wars ever, minus the ones that have taken place because of religion and you have a hell of a lot fewer
- SaladCactusKing, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5Subtraction tends to leave less than what was once there :-P
- manicleek, on 02/21/2008, -5/+1which is exactly my point so well done
- Arkaris01, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1The wars you think were fought over religion would have been fought over something else in the end. Most of the first Crusades were started because Christians on pilgrimages were being killed by Muslims for visiting holy sites in Israel. In Europe you would maybe cancel out 15-20 wars. Almost all the wars fought in the Bible were not over religion but were for right to life or right to land, not over whose God is bigger and better (though the proof the outcome of the war was often said to show which God was). The Muslims used the cry of religion to unite their people to wage a war across all of the ME and North Africa, so you would have a bunch of disgruntled people who were not united enough to start a war, maybe that whole area would have been saved. Tribes in Southern Africa did not fight over religion so much as land and resources, so no losses there. Asia was not really a religious experience like what has occurred in western thinking, so no real loss of wars there (maybe 1 or 2, but with Hindu's not wanting to eat an onion because it is a living thing, it's hard to see them wanting to start a war in the name of religion). The Aztec and their need to continue the pyre for the sun to burn upon would have saved numerous wars here in America.
That is the total list I can come up with. You have a handful of wars held in Europe, the Aztec wars, and the Muslim extremists in all of history. In just a rough account, you do not "have a hell of a lot fewer" you just simply have a little bit fewer. However, what you do lose is the basis of morality during all of human history. You lose the prophets and diviners (sp?) that told their leaders many times not to go to war.
- the6thReplicant, on 02/21/2008, -4/+4As was said before: There are good people, there are bad people and only religion can make a good person do bad things.
- Winston84, on 02/21/2008, -3/+3Really ? so the nazis and the communists did bad things because of religion ? Get a reality-check .
- Arkaris01, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1I seem to remember a number of news reports a few years back of suicide bombers, saying that if they blew themselves up in the name of Allah their families would be well taken care of. Anyone remember those? I will tell you this, money will make a good person do bad things. One of my teachers once told me, "The fastest way to corrupt a person is to give them a million dollars."
- Worldviewsblog, on 02/21/2008, -10/+20I think that's a very strong possibility, don't you?
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -3/+5The cult of the 7th Century pederast demands its practitioners expand its sway by conquest and butchery. The rest of these superstitions and delusions are relatively benign . . . e.g., Buddhism particularly emphasizes the sanctity of life, the basic message of the New Testament is "love thy neighbor as thyself."
Only the naive, the stupid, the disingenuous or the mendacious defend islam.- SquareEnix, on 02/21/2008, -1/+0and only the arrogant and contumaciously ignorant fools like you attack it while being so uninformed.
- sk11, on 02/21/2008, -23/+6So you're implying that without religion there'd be fewer wars?
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -16/+3goodwin.
- loganhid, on 02/21/2008, -11/+17what's this got to do with Islam. Don't base Islam by people like him.
- LeeSoong, on 02/21/2008, -9/+2Zionists All Hebrews.
Not everyone wants to "Return" to the unHoly wasteLands.
American suburbs are a safer place to raise your children, why move to a combat zone?
As in all things, people should ask ' is it good for my family, my people? '
An Israeli war with Iran, even if USA is used as a tool like in Iraq, would be bad
for the economy - unless the USA suddenly starts ordering a lot of Israeli hardware...- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2"American suburbs are a safer place to raise your children, why move to a combat zone?" - I'd wager the death rate of young people in the US is very close, if not above, the death rate of young people in Israel.
- LeeSoong, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1oops the 'does not equal' sign did not display on digg:
Zionists Does Not Equal All Hebrews.
Though a lot of Russian Jews have moved to Israel in the past 10 years,
many have chosen to move to the USA - hoping for a more positive economic gain.
(they might have been wrong ?!?)
How does Australia view it's Jewish population ?
Is there much antisemitism 'down under' ?
- LeeSoong, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1oops the 'does not equal' sign did not display on digg:
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2"American suburbs are a safer place to raise your children, why move to a combat zone?" - I'd wager the death rate of young people in the US is very close, if not above, the death rate of young people in Israel.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -3/+5Why not? He reflects the core "values" of this dangerous cult.
- LeeSoong, on 02/21/2008, -9/+2Zionists All Hebrews.
- Chaoticfist, on 02/21/2008, -13/+23Buried for suggesting an invasion of Iran. There is no need to invade. As well i by THE WEST you mean, the states. Because no one is going to support you.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -3/+5Why invade when some cruise missiles will accomplish the mission?
- sub1, on 02/21/2008, -32/+8Ahmadinejad is the 21st century reincarnation of Muhammad, the perverted founder of Islam. Muhammad hated the Jewish people with a passion, infact on one occasion he ordered the beheading of 600-900 young Jewish men and boys. The Persian people are smart but have been put in the dark when it comes to matters such as Islam. Many who left Iran during the 1979's revolution also left Islam because they saw the true face of this cult.
- afx1, on 02/21/2008, -5/+12"Muhammad hated the Jewish people with a passion, infact on one occasion he ordered the beheading of 600-900 young Jewish men and boys"
source?- p0s3r, on 02/21/2008, -8/+7His source is the Koran 8:41
- afx1, on 02/21/2008, -5/+12"Muhammad hated the Jewish people with a passion, infact on one occasion he ordered the beheading of 600-900 young Jewish men and boys"
- zovres, on 02/21/2008, -18/+11christiannity is no better than islam
- DarkShroud, on 02/21/2008, -13/+8Christians stopped religious killings over 700 years ago.
- haterrade, on 02/21/2008, -5/+6http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/02/usa.re ...
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -4/+2Well thanks to the dumb asses in the middle east(with the help from the west) we've been stuck a couple of centuries behind. well the arab ones anyways
- Winston84, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5So, when some fanatic born-again evangelical pro-life terrorist kills a doctor it's not a religiously motivated killing ?
- digitronix, on 02/21/2008, -6/+4You know, I've heard that argument. The fact is that human beings will act just as bad no matter what religion (or lack of) they hold, and you should criticize human nature, not religion.
- cococooky, on 02/21/2008, -2/+4Religion is a tool the powers that be use control YOU and support their agenda.
- Arkaris01, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1It is among 1 tool they "can" use to control you if you blindly follow. The media is another tool, so you simply being on digg means you are reading the news and therefore being controlled by these "powers that be". Monetary value is a 3rd form of control, do you have a credit card? Dollar bills in your pocket? Obviously you have a computer or access to one and that means you have some form of sustaining yourself in this life and that means you are being controlled as well. After all if you have nothing you will fight everyone for anything. If you have something of value to you (i.e. a car, a house, nice things) you will not want to fight, but rather maintain what you have. In your conspiracy theory world of "powers that be" you are controlled to such an extent that even the impulses that pass between your ears are not your own.
- cococooky, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1Speak for yourself Arkaris, here are a few things I would like you to think about.
1) I actually have a brain that is capable processing information and forming a unique opinion.
2) I also work for ME, so I am not being controlled as much as someone who is an employee.
3) If you choose to believe everything your TV tells that's up to you - I don't watch it.
4) I stand up for what I believe in, my right to own my own home is JUST ONE of the things I am will to fight for. It is actually more likely I will fight to maintain what I have.
5) You imply my head is hollow with the phrase "impulses that pass between your ears" and the way you worded your comment. You can believe whatever you want, but just so you know, that's not true either.
- DarkShroud, on 02/21/2008, -13/+8Christians stopped religious killings over 700 years ago.
- Zecchetti, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2@ firebringer,
People don't seem to believe in that kind of ***** anymore. Why not try changing your propaganda tactics? - RandomStyle, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5I don't know if anyone actually read the article, but if you look at the quote, Ahmadinejad doesn't actually say Israel is the microbe. He says the Zionist Regime is the microbe. The two are completely different things.
- somberlaine, on 02/21/2008, -2/+1a very important distinction indeed!
- nikkesen, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1It is but it doesn't matter to those who refuse to look beyond their little sheltered world in which Muslims are the new Jews and it's normal to act like all are raving lunatics.
- OwdenBowden, on 02/21/2008, -0/+3Mahmoud Ahmadinejad needs to take a look in the mirror to see the Dirty Microbe.
I have the solution to the Iran issue - COBALT.
- ramo13, on 02/21/2008, -16/+39Frankly, I think associating him with Islam is a disgusting twist you just made here, you do know that religion is just used as means to achieve personal ends, if you still don't believe me, think of how Hitler used christianity to attack jews who "killed jesus", and to add more, you are no more civilized than Mr. Ahmadinejad.
- Ridgeliner7, on 02/21/2008, -91/+52This guy is a walking example of why political assassinations are sometimes necessary.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -18/+58Won't help. When he goes down, the Muslim Ayattolahs who illegally occupy Persia will make sure another one of his kind to replace him. The only real change can come from within the country.
- jamesotis, on 02/21/2008, -13/+21Still, Ridgeliner's solution would offer an emotionally satisfying respite.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -6/+36I prefer real solutions to emotionally satisfying ones :P
- known, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1Isn't Judaism a better religion for 300+ million Dalits and Tribals to convert from Hinduism aka Casteism in India.
1. Jews have predominantly very high IQ.
2. Jews are automatically citizens of Israel.
http://delhi.craigslist.co.in/com/579373953.html
- known, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1Isn't Judaism a better religion for 300+ million Dalits and Tribals to convert from Hinduism aka Casteism in India.
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -2/+7now i know why i have you on my friends list neko:P
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -6/+36I prefer real solutions to emotionally satisfying ones :P
- loganhid, on 02/21/2008, -16/+13'illegally' - now thats something Israel is familiar with
- Gabberwok, on 02/21/2008, -1/+12The ayatollahs don't seem to really like Ahmadinejad (obviously they put him in power and would kick him out if he really bothered them). I get the distinct impression they think he's a bit of a dick. Just because they're religious extremists doesn't mean they don't value a little diplomatic tact in their figureheads.
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -4/+8ahmadinejad is a closeted Marxist. he even encourages thought crime. i'm ***** iranian and i hate the guy. Still he isn't as evil as he is portrayed
- Winston84, on 02/21/2008, -2/+2Dugg for being Iranian :)
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -1/+4I understand the Iranian people are more western-valued than the Arabs. How about another revolution?
- makkaveli19, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3***** i'd be down. majority of the iranian population is under 30 and you've already seen the protests at the university and how many people attend. i'll give my support to my cousins from canada:)
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -4/+8ahmadinejad is a closeted Marxist. he even encourages thought crime. i'm ***** iranian and i hate the guy. Still he isn't as evil as he is portrayed
- ncairns, on 02/21/2008, -4/+22The Iranian people hate him - the greatest similarity between Ahmamdinejad, Olmert and Bush is their approval rating.
- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -11/+5And their disregard for basic human decency.
- Zecchetti, on 02/21/2008, -8/+4talking about illegal occupation are we??
The only illegal occupation is that of the very regime Ahmadinejad is talking about: Israel.- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2The UN decided to create Israel. Occupied Zoroastrian Persia, on the other hand, was brutally conquered by Islam.
- Zecchetti, on 02/21/2008, -2/+2That's *****. Check history. The persian sassanids marched towards Islam first because they considered it a rising threat to their supremacy
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2The UN decided to create Israel. Occupied Zoroastrian Persia, on the other hand, was brutally conquered by Islam.
- jamesotis, on 02/21/2008, -13/+21Still, Ridgeliner's solution would offer an emotionally satisfying respite.
- ZacT, on 02/21/2008, -12/+27The US put his party INTO power... they toppled the Iranian democracy in the 50s... how many times are you suggesting this happens?
- wildbillhick, on 02/21/2008, -5/+13we also made israel.. anyone else feel like the us is just playing a big game of Risk with the middle east.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -5/+1The US became pro-Israeli only after Israel supplied them with a MIG21 around 1970, slowly leading to a full military-technology alliance in 1983. Some US leaders before that alliance were quite anti-Israeli.
If u'r referring to the UN, they created Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Israel, Palestine, Turkey and dozens of other countries. That move was necessary, they couldn't keep all these people under European rule forever.- MWeather, on 02/21/2008, -2/+2"That move was necessary, they couldn't keep all these people under European rule forever."
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly what they were doing by creating a Israel and moving a bunch of Europeans in to run it? - Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -0/+2neko, with no intent to give offense to you, either you are very young or very ignorant of American society before 1970. Until the left wing apologists for the moslem terrorists became the cause of the day, the American public was VERY favorably inclined toward Israel. It may be less so today, but the majority still see Israel as a valued ally.
- MWeather, on 02/21/2008, -2/+2"That move was necessary, they couldn't keep all these people under European rule forever."
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -5/+1The US became pro-Israeli only after Israel supplied them with a MIG21 around 1970, slowly leading to a full military-technology alliance in 1983. Some US leaders before that alliance were quite anti-Israeli.
- wildbillhick, on 02/21/2008, -5/+13we also made israel.. anyone else feel like the us is just playing a big game of Risk with the middle east.
- zovres, on 02/21/2008, -4/+11check Iran's history, then talk.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -2/+4This PoS is also a walking testament to the naive cowardice of jimmy piddle pants, the worst disgrace to have shamed the USA in our history. That maggot should not have been been a governor, much less defile the White House. May he rot slowly in great pain over a period of years.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -18/+58Won't help. When he goes down, the Muslim Ayattolahs who illegally occupy Persia will make sure another one of his kind to replace him. The only real change can come from within the country.
- eyalfein, on 02/21/2008, -25/+45I am not insulted from your words as much as I am embarrassed from the fact that from all villains, it is YOU who is considered as my arch enemy.
p.s.
How many times can you recycle the same slogans? You need to get new material.- Encablossa, on 02/21/2008, -0/+21In Iran, we don't have germs.
- dbz253, on 02/21/2008, -5/+6he wasn't calling israel a dirty microbe. just the zionist regime. stop putting things in quotes if that is not what they actually said.
- bullcutter, on 02/21/2008, -3/+5God, there is no effing difference! Why are so many people hellbent on defending the hate speech of this ex-torturer and executioner of one of the world's most despotic countries?!
The people are responsible for the actions of its government, therefore Ahmadi is talking to the people of Israel just as much as "The Zionist Regime." Israel put its leaders in power, while Ahmadinejad is serving at the pleasure of the Mullahs. This ironically makes HIM the "puppet."
Stop defending people outrightly wishing for death and destruction, it truly makes the world a stupider place to live in.- neocognitism, on 02/22/2008, -4/+1Um, yeah there is! I say down with my country's adminsitraton, the Bush adminsitration. Somehow, something tells me I'm not also saying down with my country.
It's a good little sociopathic trick though to mistranslate his words. Good job!
Um, and if there was no difference, then why are his words routinely mistranslated in the same way, over and over, to similar dire effect, if there is "no effing difference?"
Try that on an essay, see if the teacher goes for it.
And the Israeli government is busy wishing and making happen the death and destruction of all 1.5 million Gazans, which is genocide according to the 1948 accords. I assume you'll be ranting about them next? Oh, why not? Can't say I'm surprised.- bullcutter, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3"Um, yeah there is! I say down with my country's adminsitraton, the Bush adminsitration. Somehow, something tells me I'm not also saying down with my country."
Israel is not Ahmadinejad's country, so what's your point?
Again, you are defending the hate speech of a madman for no apparent reason other than it is the "cool thing to do."
I bet you also think when thousands of Iranians chant "Death to America! Death to Israel!" they aren't necessarily talking about its citizens but the dissolution of their respective governments, right? How can you dissolve a the government of a world power without violence? Please name one instance where this was so.
In summary, why the ***** are you defending Ahmadinejad again? He's exactly like if Olmert were to call for the dissolution of the government of Iran -- can you imagine what outcry there would be??
Do you see the faintest glimmer of how overwhelming your hypocrisy is yet?
- bullcutter, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3"Um, yeah there is! I say down with my country's adminsitraton, the Bush adminsitration. Somehow, something tells me I'm not also saying down with my country."
- neocognitism, on 02/22/2008, -4/+1Um, yeah there is! I say down with my country's adminsitraton, the Bush adminsitration. Somehow, something tells me I'm not also saying down with my country.
- ManoWar, on 02/24/2008, -0/+1What is the Zionist Regime. Is a Regime made up of people? What people make up the Zionist Regime? O that's right its made up of Israels. How can you call a regime a dirty Microbe and not its people. When he calls the west The Great Satan. Is he only talking about President Bush or is he talking about all western people. OPEN YOUR EYES.
- bullcutter, on 02/21/2008, -3/+5God, there is no effing difference! Why are so many people hellbent on defending the hate speech of this ex-torturer and executioner of one of the world's most despotic countries?!
- Pitofdoom, on 02/21/2008, -38/+30Really fixated on hatred these radicals, so Obama's going to negotiate away what ? Other then exist without getting killed each and every day, how does Israel deserve such neighbors ?
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -5/+23Iran isn't actually a neighbor of Israel. Actually it's pretty far away, which begs the question why do the iranians even care about Israel? it doesn't threaten Iran's sovereignty in any way.
- eclipse007, on 02/21/2008, -3/+23Iranians don't give a ***** about Israel, it's the president and he is not elected the way western countries elect their presidents. He didn't mention Israel even once while he was a candidate, all he talked about was economy and more social freedoms and privacy and he lied about all three which got much worse.
- LupeFiasco, on 02/21/2008, -8/+5Maybe before they shouldn't care. But with Israel recently trying to push the US to invade, they should care now.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1Why do u think Israel is trying to push the US to invade? Maybe the US is pushing Israel to attack? Maybe none of the above? Do you have inside information?
BTW: Israel has no quarrel with Iran, and never had. In fact, Iran used to be an ally of Israel before the Islamic revolution. Ahmedinijad's statements don't seem to represent the people's sentiments (I've seen many Arabs supporting him here, but I haven't seen Iranians supporting him), and perhaps not even the regime's sentiments (although he's not the first Iranian leader to threaten Israel). - yonoz, on 02/21/2008, -2/+2Israel has never tried to "push" the US to invade Iran.
- LupeFiasco, on 02/22/2008, -0/+0So it wasn't Israeli intelligence telling the US that Iran was after the ability to make their own nukes? and that they were well along their way to doing so?. Fanning the flames is instigating is pushing. All the same.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1Why do u think Israel is trying to push the US to invade? Maybe the US is pushing Israel to attack? Maybe none of the above? Do you have inside information?
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -2/+4it's the agenda of the ayatollahs. it's like terrorism in the states, or the ussr before. keep them hating/scared from someone else and get away with whatever you want.
- Winston84, on 02/21/2008, -3/+4Gee, I don't know .. maybe 400 illegal nukes has something to do with it ?
Nukes only work as a deterrent if both parties have them. The theory is called M.A.D, mutually assured destruction .
The proof that it works ? The US hasn't nuked anybody since all it's "enemies" also got them. - yonoz, on 02/21/2008, -1/+3LOL@Winston "Nukes only work as a deterrent if both parties have them."
So I suppose the nukes the US did use didn't deter the Japanese from carrying on the war?
- LupeFiasco, on 02/21/2008, -8/+5Maybe before they shouldn't care. But with Israel recently trying to push the US to invade, they should care now.
- SuperMoses, on 02/21/2008, -3/+3It's imperialism. Iran got defensive when Bush named them as the axis of evil. If they were to attack Iran, what would they use as justification? -- Iran's support for Hezbollah fighting off Israel
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1Development of nukes. You havn't been around lately have you?
- SuperMoses, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1Development of nukes? Really, that's not what the NIE report suggests.. maybe you should update yourself on the news rather than hang on to old fear mongering rhetoric coming out of leaders in US and Israel
- yonoz, on 02/21/2008, -1/+2Fighting Israel off where? It's own recognised territory? I didn't realise Hizballah had claim to any land...
- SuperMoses, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1Fighting them off in Lebanese territories and Israel's defiance of UN resolution 425, which was only fulfilled in 2000.. 22 years later, but other provocations followed. Such as Israel aircrafts and warships constantly passing into Lebanese territory.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1Development of nukes. You havn't been around lately have you?
- eclipse007, on 02/21/2008, -3/+23Iranians don't give a ***** about Israel, it's the president and he is not elected the way western countries elect their presidents. He didn't mention Israel even once while he was a candidate, all he talked about was economy and more social freedoms and privacy and he lied about all three which got much worse.
- ramo13, on 02/21/2008, -19/+18no, i suppose supermccain with 3 nuclear bombs is the logical and more american choice...
as for poor and innocent angel of a state that is israel, with a pm almost as lovely and charming as ahmadinejad, surely some more aid and weapon supplies can help them escape those zombies that keep trying to annex the land that they grew up on for generations...- lickmylovepump, on 02/21/2008, -14/+10except for when the jews lived there before the muslims...
- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -8/+12Right, all the same guys who are there now - not from Europe and New Jersey.
- asskey, on 02/21/2008, -10/+6I almost dugg you up for the Jew/New Jersey joke...but you are just plain wrong, so I couldn't. Sorry.
- HotDogBun, on 02/21/2008, -13/+11I dugg it up. ***** israel.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5Another *****! Yey!
I just love how you guys contribute to the quality of the discussions here.
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5lickmylovepump then i suggest you give your land back to (i'm assuming you live in the states) the natives.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+6Israel has a right to exist not because it was written in the bible and not because it existed 2000 years ago, and not because of the holocaust, and not because of any religious or political motivation. It has a right to exist simply because it exists. Even if 700,000 Palestinians lost their lands and homes when they fled in 1948, it doesn't mean 7,000,000 people need to lose their lands and homes today.
Likewise, the Palestinians have a right to their own country on 1967 lines or similar because they already live there. But with Hamas in power and their extreme brainwashing of Palestinian children, I don't see it coming. - yonoz, on 02/21/2008, -2/+4Well put neko6.
- makkaveli19, on 02/22/2008, -3/+1it's true neko, there is no reversing it now. even though i disagree with them getting it in the first place, why do we need to ruin another 700,000 peoples lives. go back to the original borders and try to find peace!
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+6Israel has a right to exist not because it was written in the bible and not because it existed 2000 years ago, and not because of the holocaust, and not because of any religious or political motivation. It has a right to exist simply because it exists. Even if 700,000 Palestinians lost their lands and homes when they fled in 1948, it doesn't mean 7,000,000 people need to lose their lands and homes today.
- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -8/+12Right, all the same guys who are there now - not from Europe and New Jersey.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -1/+3If the Georgian jellyfish had been a man rather than a worthless coward, the ayatollahs would be careful not to offend us today and ahmadinejad would have been a dirty stain in the streets of Tehran in 1979.
- lickmylovepump, on 02/21/2008, -14/+10except for when the jews lived there before the muslims...
- TLAKABM, on 02/21/2008, -4/+5'Deserve'? The country was carved out of other people's land.
That's like sticking a bee hive down your pants and then wondering why you deserve getting stung.- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -1/+5"carved out of other people's land" - what makes that land "other people's"? If a French person buys a house in Italy, he doesn't have a right to live there because it is "Italian land"?
Jews bought alot of land in a certain part of the Ottoman empire. When the empire was carved into nations post WW2, the small area (less then 1%) of the empire in which Jews owned most of the land was designated as Israel. - yonoz, on 02/21/2008, -0/+3Wow, you guys have a talent for really imaginative analogies.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -1/+5"carved out of other people's land" - what makes that land "other people's"? If a French person buys a house in Italy, he doesn't have a right to live there because it is "Italian land"?
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -5/+23Iran isn't actually a neighbor of Israel. Actually it's pretty far away, which begs the question why do the iranians even care about Israel? it doesn't threaten Iran's sovereignty in any way.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -22/+74Do we really need a news article for every stupidity this guy emits? Its getting boring.
- eclipse007, on 02/21/2008, -17/+33It's called Marketing a War.
- TLAKABM, on 02/21/2008, -10/+3I'd digg you up 100 times if I could.
- bullcutter, on 02/21/2008, -8/+31sorry, but some people would still like to believe that Ahmadinejad never said anything bad about Israel ever, and that we are making this ***** up to market a war.
but having said that, i do have to admit it would be much more sensible for Israel to attack Iran than have us attack Iran.
after all, they are by far and away a bigger threat to Israel, and Israel is already uniformly hated around the world, so why not?- Arkavus, on 02/21/2008, -8/+2Because Israel would risk being at war with the rest of the Middle East but we've had free range so far.
- asskey, on 02/21/2008, -7/+16Israel could pretty easily take on the rest of the Middle East.
- Winston84, on 02/21/2008, -10/+1Yeah and then they could walk around in a radio-active waste-land . Might be a good thing, maybe it would mutate their noses smaller ?
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -3/+11If it were not for the Soviets rushing to protect the arab states in 1967 / 1973, Israel would have. The moslems can't win a stand-up fight . . . they can only sulk in alleys, attacking in numbers from ambush or shooting rockets at schoolchildren.
- asskey, on 02/21/2008, -7/+16Israel could pretty easily take on the rest of the Middle East.
- snapcase, on 02/21/2008, -4/+9Wouldn't it be a tad more sensible to just let those two nations settle their own damn dispute rather than us sticking our head into yet another middle east country proclaiming ourselves as the international police force?
If Iran wants to go to Israel, fine. Let them fight. I honestly don't really care. I certainly don't think we should get involved. We need to learn that once in a while we should let other nations settle their own disputes. Could have sworn someone would have learned that lesson from Vietnam.....- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+8Israel has no dispute with Iran. Never had any. They used to be allies.
If the US gets involved, its to prevent a nuclear standoff with Iran. Imagine the extremely hypothetical situation in which a nuclear Iran issues a statement that if Sharia law is not initiated in the US, they will nuke one of the state capitals. Will the US comply, or suffer millions of deaths?
The zealot regime of Iran proved they have no respect for human lives when they sent 12 year old children to clear mine fields, and when they trained suicide bombers. This regime cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons.- snapcase, on 02/21/2008, -5/+1Now you're just mixing words. I said they have a dispute with each other. Lets stay out of it.
If they were foolish enough to threaten us then that would be a dispute with us now wouldn't it? And if they were to threaten us all we'd have to do is turn their country into a sheet of glass. Don't think they are quite that stupid as to think that one bomb could compare with our stockpile.
- snapcase, on 02/21/2008, -5/+1Now you're just mixing words. I said they have a dispute with each other. Lets stay out of it.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+8Israel has no dispute with Iran. Never had any. They used to be allies.
- Arkavus, on 02/21/2008, -8/+2Because Israel would risk being at war with the rest of the Middle East but we've had free range so far.
- zovres, on 02/21/2008, -11/+4come on Bush needs some competition
- rz8472, on 02/21/2008, -2/+13Apparently Ahmadinejad is widely unpopular in Iran, and he's even managed to piss off the mullahs. He's basically using Israel like Rudy uses 9/11.
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -7/+2sounds like Olmert now, too. Must be in fashion
- progrockguy, on 02/21/2008, -9/+2It gives us a reason to rant against Iran, "Islamicists," Hamas, Arabs, etc.
Just look: there are MORE comments than diggs! - deadmann, on 02/21/2008, -7/+4Does anyone actually know what the Palestinians and Iran want? Pre-1967 borders, not the elimination of Israel. The end to Zionist expansionism.
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -7/+11is that why Hamas is firing rockets on sderot, a civilian town which is inside those "pre-1967" brders of which you speak?
- neocognitism, on 02/22/2008, -2/+1yes. And you should get on the bandwagon of peace. Olmert is, and he is your leader, isn't he?
- foopirata, on 02/21/2008, -6/+9Funny, cause Hamas charter doesn't say anything about it. It does talk a lot about liberating "all" of "Palestine".
- neocognitism, on 02/22/2008, -3/+1What does this have to do with your sexual orientation? You're not going the zoophilia route I hope.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -1/+11From Hamas (the elected Palestinian leaders) charter:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."
Ahmedinijad never said anything about Israel and Palestine leaving peacefully. He only said Israel should be destroyed, and he repeats it on every occasion.- deadmann, on 02/21/2008, -5/+2I don't have the quote on me, but it was Ahmadinejad's words specifically that stated that. "Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." That may well be the case. If Israel forces them to fight for their land back rather than negotiating why would they be expected to leave the Israelis with a fair situation?
- foopirata, on 02/21/2008, -3/+8Right - ignore the fact that Israel has been negotiating with the Palestinians since '93 and it is their own internal strifes has been keeping them from having a state. It is aaaaaaaaaaall Israel's fault...
- deadmann, on 02/21/2008, -4/+2"(1) sovereignty over all of Jerusalem, (2) incorporation of some of the West Bank's arable land,(3) attachment to Israel of West Bank settlements that the UN has declared illegal, (4) possible control of West Bank aquifers, and (5) presence along the river border with Jordan."
Oh why can't these silly Arabs know a good deal when they see it? - foopirata, on 02/22/2008, -1/+4Guess if they didn't want 1,2,4 and 5, they shouldn't have started a series of wars they didn't finish.
About 4, notice the "possible". Where did you get those points anyway? They seem awfully outdated. - neocognitism, on 02/22/2008, -4/+1deadman, don't bother responding to foopirata, unless it's something nonsensical. He's worse than most of the teen zion squad.
- foopirata, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2What he means is, unless it is something nonsensical, he doesn't have an argument to refute me, so he wants you to join his silly "post-and-run" coop. Please ignore the clueless clown.
- neocognitism, on 02/22/2008, -2/+1You gotta be kidding foobutt, I've never post-and-run, but your hairy white ass sure has. Very incorrect.
- foopirata, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2Sure....of course. Whatever you say. Whatever makes you feel like a big man.
Pathetic. - neocognitism, on 02/22/2008, -2/+1Glad you agree! And I'm definitely a bigger man than you, foobutt.
- deadmann, on 02/22/2008, -1/+2lol, you two. The points may be outdated. But the fact is Palestine and its allies want pre-1967 borders, and if the Israeli's agreed then it would be settled. And if it comes to a military conflict with Iran I support Ahmadinejad over the international Zionists.
- foopirata, on 02/22/2008, -1/+1@neocognitism: weak, weak...you need professional help.
@deadman: well, as I said, it doesn't seem like 1967 is enough for them. But at least you're honest enough to put in no uncertain terms where your preferences lie, that's got to be respected. - neocognitism, on 02/23/2008, -1/+1Ah foobutt, you've gotten to that point in the smear list again! I thought you had more entries that that, my small weak antigentilic IOF militant...
- foopirata, on 02/21/2008, -3/+8Right - ignore the fact that Israel has been negotiating with the Palestinians since '93 and it is their own internal strifes has been keeping them from having a state. It is aaaaaaaaaaall Israel's fault...
- deadmann, on 02/21/2008, -5/+2I don't have the quote on me, but it was Ahmadinejad's words specifically that stated that. "Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." That may well be the case. If Israel forces them to fight for their land back rather than negotiating why would they be expected to leave the Israelis with a fair situation?
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -7/+11is that why Hamas is firing rockets on sderot, a civilian town which is inside those "pre-1967" brders of which you speak?
- eclipse007, on 02/21/2008, -17/+33It's called Marketing a War.
- hmemcpy, on 02/21/2008, -22/+15Has he looked in the mirror lately?
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -62/+67I am a Jew and I agree with him. Jews that believe in the current State of Israel have lost their faith in God and believe in Zionists.
- onetimer, on 02/21/2008, -40/+23Care to share anymore anti-semitic/bigoted thoughts with the class?
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -7/+7***** you and your idiotic logic. i disagree with occupation of someone else's land and the constant breach of those borders set. and i'm an anti semite. you do know that arabs are Semites too right?
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -6/+1oo my first double post. neat
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -10/+3***** you and your idiotic logic. i disagree with occupation of someone else's land and the constant breach of those borders set. and i'm an anti semite. you do know that arabs are Semites too right?
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -3/+4@ jo3 . . . yeah . . . that's when the liberals and moslems crawl out from under their rocks.
- RazDakarn, on 02/21/2008, -2/+1Hi, onetimer. Still at it, I see.
Don't call me an anti-semite! I might cry! :( - richbleak, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1Why can't people on the pro-Israel side of this discussion ever engage in a logical debate? If you look at the actions of Israel and those who support it from the perspective of the people that are on the business end of their boot it isn't hard to understand where statements like this come from. Israel could be a nation of atheists and the same comments could be made. This has nothing to do with antisemitism. The truth of the matter is that Muslims and Jews are simply two groups of simple people that still honor the beliefs of what were essentially cavemen. Join us in the modern world and pull your heads out of your asses. Take religion out of the equation and look at the actions of both sides and take responsibility for your piece of the situation.
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -7/+7***** you and your idiotic logic. i disagree with occupation of someone else's land and the constant breach of those borders set. and i'm an anti semite. you do know that arabs are Semites too right?
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -13/+44The zionist jews have been proven right in that whole 1933-1945 thing that happened in Europe (as well as in many other smaller incidents all over the world). Fact of the matter that the countries and people of the world have a hard time seeing what is the difference between Jews (people who are born or converted to the jewish faith) and zionists (people who support the jewish people right to a state of their own) - confusing both of those. a good example of this was the Buenos-aires synagog bombing - it didn't target ZIONISTS - it targeted JEWS - the people who orchestrated that attack didn't see the difference either.
Actually the whole Zionist thing is a relatively new thing, a movement that actually begun in the 19th century, as a result of the realization that governments and people of the world tended to treat jews as an ETHNICAL group, i.e. race, rather then just people who believe/practice a certain religion. I agree that the roots of zionism are secular. but as time progressed more and more religious jews have become sympathetic to the zionist view - and for good reason. Jewish rights have been protected much better in the last 60 years then have ever been in history, as far as I know.- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -13/+5It's too bad that that has come at the expense of the rights of others. Agreed, though, essentially.
- pitlord, on 02/21/2008, -12/+11How are Muslim's "rights" being violated by the existence of land of Israel? Muslims have 22 countries ALL of them larger than Israel. The Jews have a TINY sliver of their original nation founded over THREE THOUSAND YEARS AGO.
X^P
The people who call themselves "palestinians" are really just Jew-hating, Muslim refugees from the Six Day War. They should all go back to Jordan, Syria and Egypt where they came from when those countries ALL tried to invade Israel AT THE SAME TIME and got their BUTTS WHOOPED half way back to their Capitol cities by the tiny Israeli forces who were out numbered THIRTY to ONE by the Muslim invaders!
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w00t!
GO ISRAEL!
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So, how did they violate "others" rights by being invaded?- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -8/+7I started to type a response... but then, no. You are just too dumb.
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -7/+10so by your logic, you come to my house and take it over. you tell me that all my neighbors would let me live with them, so why don't i go there. and then i try to fight back, you call me a terrorist. while i ***** hate hamas and the civilian bombings. i cannot believe you say that Palestinians should go other countries. Their homes are all they had, it's not like they're rich.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -5/+2@makkaveli - nobody took the Palestinians' homes, they left because they didn't want to be under the Jews' rule. Factually, most of those who were "Palestinian refugees" in 1948 were born in Egypt and Jordan.
Anyway, its been 60 years, these Palestinians are all old people now, they've been living most of their lives elsewhere. If the Palestinians would only agree to have their independence and stop with their dream to destroy Israel, maybe this stupid conflict could end. - makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -1/+2neko6 i do agree with you that they are old. but that makes it worst, now the hate has been passed down and is a part of them.
Don't lie to your self that they didn't take the houses over, a couple million people decided to move out, with out food, water, shelter or anything else right. they weren't even allowed to digg wells for a while.
the only reason i'm pissed of is because of the way that pride has deluded both of these countries vision and neither one is backing down
- pitlord, on 02/21/2008, -12/+11How are Muslim's "rights" being violated by the existence of land of Israel? Muslims have 22 countries ALL of them larger than Israel. The Jews have a TINY sliver of their original nation founded over THREE THOUSAND YEARS AGO.
- the6thReplicant, on 02/21/2008, -4/+2Even more interesting is how mostly anti-Semites were mostly responsible for the creation of Israel. The UK in particular wanted a place to export their Jews to. Guess it worked for Australia why wouldn't it work for a whole race.
- sk11, on 02/21/2008, -2/+4Oh yeah sure, that's why we voted in a jewish prime minister (Benjamin D'Israeli).
- yonoz, on 02/21/2008, -1/+2D'Israeli was only of Jewish parentage, he was baptised.
There were disagreements among the British leadership on the creation of Israel.
Recommended reading: Britain's Treachery, France's Revenge
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/950373.html
De Gaulle's feeling of betrayal was heightened by the fact that the officer who represented Britain in Syria and Lebanon during the war years was General Edward Spears, who had extricated de Gaulle from France at the last minute before the Nazi conquest. On August 5, 1944, Spears sent Riyad al-Sulh, the Lebanese prime minister, on a secret mission to Damascus. So strict was British security that Sulh learned the exact purpose of his mission only when he met with the British consul in the Syrian capital. The consul dictated to Sulh a proposal from His Majesty's Government to the Syrian government; Sulh was to convey the proposal to Saadallah al-Jabiri, the Syrian prime minister, who was also Sulh's father-in-law.
The British proposal included, among other points, Syria's unification with Transjordan and Palestine to create "Greater Syria." Syria would also have to accord Britain preferential status in military, economic and cultural matters and not sign any agreement with other countries without prior consultation with London. To persuade the Syrian leaders to agree to these terms, Britain was ready to commit itself to defend Syrian independence in the face of external aggression, continue the White Paper policy in Palestine and put a complete halt to "Jewish ambitions."- sk11, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1Britain is one of the most jewish friendly countries in the world, we gave them their own country. A simple thank you would suffice, but no, that would go against the angsty urge to develop their persecution complex: everyone MUST be against jews, just like the ***** up torah states.
- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -13/+5It's too bad that that has come at the expense of the rights of others. Agreed, though, essentially.
- LupeFiasco, on 02/21/2008, -13/+18OMG he spoke out against israel!!!! He hates jews!!!!
/sarcasm
Get the ***** over it. Israel is a Jewish state but it DOES NOT represent jews world wide dumbass.
Saudi Arabia is home to one of Islams most holiest of sites, but when people speak out about them do all muslims get upset? As matter of fact all the Muslim people I know would be the first to to talk smack on Saudi Arabia.- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -13/+2yea, ***** saudi's. they're just as bad as Switzerland!!
/ :P - cdigioia, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1By god sir I hope you get dugg up...
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -13/+2yea, ***** saudi's. they're just as bad as Switzerland!!
- Winston84, on 02/21/2008, -6/+2Dugg for being a Jew with a functioning brain :)
- onetimer, on 02/21/2008, -40/+23Care to share anymore anti-semitic/bigoted thoughts with the class?
- Rapter09, on 02/21/2008, -21/+49Well, as long as you didn't misquote and mis-translate him, this time.
- sk11, on 02/21/2008, -21/+34They did, he referred to Israel's "regime" as a "microbe" and not Israel itself.
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -14/+27Check the quote again: "World powers have created a dirty microbe"
he is talking about the state of israel. the one which the UN mandated in 1948.- sk11, on 02/21/2008, -14/+12Not actually: "World powers have created a dirty microbe, CALLED the Zionist regime."
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -15/+23Zionist regime = Israel = the little saten.
the impiralists = USA = the big satan.
you really should brush up on your iranian jargon.- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -11/+9you should brush up on spelling
- sk11, on 02/21/2008, -3/+3Israeli jargon:
USA = The Great Cash Cow
- Dundasbro, on 02/21/2008, -7/+12Zionist regime does not equal Israel, that would be like saying that hating the current U.S administration means you hate America
- SaladCactusKing, on 02/21/2008, -3/+6Israel hasn't had the same administration since 1948.
- SuperMoses, on 02/21/2008, -3/+7Right, but it's been mostly considered to be run by Zionists. Even Einstein warned
"Just one more personal word on the question of partition. I should much rath-er see reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. Apart from practical consideration, my awareness of the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power no matter how modest. I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain--especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state." - Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -5/+3After an eight year lull, I don't expect to hate Administrations again until 2009 when we have another brain-dead liberal parasite installed by the gutless sheep.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5"Zionist regime does not equal Israel" - exactly, just like "Yankee regime" doesn't equal US, and just like "rice eating regime" doesn't equal China. Oh wait, they do.
Israel has elections, the "regime" changes every few years. Somehow the anti-Israeli rhetoric doesn't change, no matter who is in charge. Its just bigotry in different attire. Ending the Zionist control of Israel can only be attained by getting rid of the Jews, or by installing a non-democratic Muslim regime there. I would imagine Ahmedinijad would agree to both ways to end the Zionist regime, don't you agree?
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -14/+27Check the quote again: "World powers have created a dirty microbe"
- pitlord, on 02/21/2008, -13/+13There was no "misquote" of Ahmedinijhad. He really does want to destroy Israel.
- j0ker666, on 02/21/2008, -8/+8Oh so I suppose that means you speak farsi and that you have been able to translate everything he has said?......
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -2/+10well i speak farsi, he has implied-ish that he WANTS to destroy israel. but if you knew anything about iran, you would know that he has ***** all power. he can only controll minor things in national matters. he's just there so the people think they can vote.
- redeye69, on 02/21/2008, -0/+4So he's the Diebold of Iran then?
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -4/+4All the more reason to eradicate the cancer of islam.
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -0/+4well thank you for calling a my and 1.5 billion other peoples religion a cancer. only by actions of a few.
- foopirata, on 02/22/2008, -0/+3makkaveli19, not that i agree with the generalization, but since you really sound like a very inteligent chap, let me ask you - why don't the moderates speak louder? why does the majority prefer to keep silent?
thanks. - makkaveli19, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2well thanks for the complement. They do! their voices cannot be heard though. They are either silenced by their government. Or silence by our media. you have to consider that there aren't really english speaking muslim countries out there, it's hard for them to reach out to english speaking media. Another thing is that most muslim countries are usually living in poverty/(lower middle class ish) and they do not have the time, or don't care about trying to help this cause. imagine if americans didn;t have the internet to speak out about bush, where else would someone in eastern europe or india hear them.
- foopirata, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Ok, I see what you mean. All good arguments. But there are what, 1.5 billion Muslims? What about the ones in Europe?
I dunno, can only think of the uporar 1.4 billion people can potentially do (assuming just .1 billion is extreme) - consider if you will the information that came out of the ex-USSR when that existed, or the information coming out of China now...I'm afraid the strongest point you make is that they don't care about trying to help this cause. Doesn't this make them complicit partners?
I'm afraid that's what the actions of a few are doing.
Look at us - we're what, 17 million all in all? And because of the actions of a few ( the settlers in Hebron, for example ) we're all lobbed into the "imperialist" bin...but we're vocal against those, we make sure that everyone knows they don't represent us in any way shape or form... - makkaveli19, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2it's more that islam doesn't have a centralized voice or anything. That is what the scholars are trying to do now, they have declared themselves as a civilized voice of islam, and all have denounced these extremists.
- foopirata, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Surely a step in the right direction. Thanks for your answers, learned some new stuff!
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -0/+4well thank you for calling a my and 1.5 billion other peoples religion a cancer. only by actions of a few.
- Zecchetti, on 02/21/2008, -13/+5I don't see anything wrong with what Ahmedinejad has said. The cancerous zionist regime was installed there by the UN, which respresents "world powers". And before anyone suggests that he is calling for the genocide of Jews, know that Jews and Zionists are different entities. Jews are a people who follow a certain faith, whereas the Zionists are a group of fascists that also inlcude Christians within their ranks that are currently, step by step, eating away the middle east and erecting illegal settlements on the lands of the innocents that have been evicted; effectively squatter settlements. What he means is that the people of the middle east need to be liberated of this small, but powerful, cancerous force, so that Jews, Christians, and Muslims can once again live side by side peacefully like they did in the past for hundreds of years under Ottomon rule.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -3/+5Ah yes, the terrorist-lover crawls out from under its rock with its lies.
" . . . live side by side peacefully like they did in the past for hundreds of years under Ottomon rule." More like "when Jews and Christians were 3rd class citizens paying their tithes to their barbarian moslem masters. "- Winston84, on 02/21/2008, -1/+3Ah yes, the war-mongering idiot crawls out from under his rock
- Zecchetti, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1***** much?
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -3/+5Ah yes, the terrorist-lover crawls out from under its rock with its lies.
- brufleth, on 02/21/2008, -5/+8I can tell they are misquoting just from the title and description. The title implies that he calls Israel a dirty microbe and the description says he calls the Zionist regime a dirty microbe. Those are two entirely different things. In fact, I could interpret that as saying that just a small part of Israel's administration is a problem while everything else is mostly okay.
I'm not so sure that's what he actually means but it is hardly anti Israel in and of itself. I'm sure there's a good population of Israelis who would disagree with the poster's assertion that "Zionist regime" refers to all of Israel or all Jewish people.- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -2/+2Makkaveli19 is Iranian and he agrees above that is the correct meaning:
well i speak farsi, he has implied-ish that he WANTS to destroy israel. but if you knew anything about iran, you would know that he has ***** all power. he can only controll minor things in national matters. he's just there so the people think they can vote.- brufleth, on 02/21/2008, -2/+1You're ignoring the point that he was misquoted to instigate irrational hostilities and negative attention.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -2/+2Makkaveli19 is Iranian and he agrees above that is the correct meaning:
- sk11, on 02/21/2008, -21/+34They did, he referred to Israel's "regime" as a "microbe" and not Israel itself.
- victorypup, on 02/21/2008, -23/+14He still seals his fate from his own words
- eclipse007, on 02/21/2008, -9/+4Oh come on, more fairy tails from book of Esther I suppose, right?
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -2/+3We can only hope . . . .
- synthpop, on 02/21/2008, -24/+46what's this guy's problem anyway? last time Israel attacked Iran was...uh..never
- wpi97, on 02/21/2008, -19/+43And yet the Fundamentalist Islamist Regime of Iran has been fighting a proxy war against Israel via Hezbollah for decades...
- ramo13, on 02/21/2008, -21/+37Try the US-Israeli support for Saddam's war against Iran
- kooft, on 02/21/2008, -7/+26Please quote your sources for Israel supporting Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. I realize that the US provided intelligence to Saddam so he could better target his chemical weapons attacks, but I believe that Israel was actually funneling US weapons to Iran (Iran-Contra).
Iran has every right to be pissed at the US but their animosity towards Israel is largely Islam based as it began with Khomeini. In fact Israel was chummy enough with Iran to work on missile programs together.- wpi97, on 02/21/2008, -5/+25"Iran has every right to be pissed at the US but their animosity towards Israel is largely Islam based as it began with Khomeini."
I don't even think that it is purely Islam-based as far as the Iranian leadership is concerned. Any unpopular dictatorial regime needs an external enemy to justify its own existence. If an enemy doesn't exist, it is invented. Having Israel as the enemy also gives the Iranian regime an excuse to expand its influence in the region (e. g. support Hezbollah), and makes it look better in the eyes of the other Middle-eastern dictatorships. In this sense Israel is a more "convenient" enemy then the US.
- wpi97, on 02/21/2008, -5/+25"Iran has every right to be pissed at the US but their animosity towards Israel is largely Islam based as it began with Khomeini."
- Carburetor, on 02/21/2008, -3/+10I can't believe people actually dugged your lies up.
As I wrote before:
If some of you think Israel helped Iraq on the Iraq-Iran war, think again.
Iraq was the biggest enemy of Israel that time.
Since Iraq was a big threat to israel, there not logic saying israel armed their enemy in order to destroy Iran.
We even destroyed Iraq's nuclear facility, so technically, we saved Iran from disappearing.
That's the problem with lies, you can't always beat them with the true.- kooft, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1"We even destroyed Iraq's nuclear facility, so technically, we saved Iran from disappearing."
Iraq was years away from producing even the most primitive nuclear weapons. The projection was set back further considering Iran damaged the site a year before the Israeli attack. Even the Israeli attack didn't completely destroy the reactor (France was going to repair it around 1984), but it was in 91 when the US bombed it that it became rubble.
Sorry, but 'technically' Israel didn't save Iran from 'didly-squat'.
- kooft, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1"We even destroyed Iraq's nuclear facility, so technically, we saved Iran from disappearing."
- kooft, on 02/21/2008, -7/+26Please quote your sources for Israel supporting Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. I realize that the US provided intelligence to Saddam so he could better target his chemical weapons attacks, but I believe that Israel was actually funneling US weapons to Iran (Iran-Contra).
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -9/+32YEAH, Israel supported Iraq in the Iraq-iran war alright.. they even sent some fighters over there... in 1981... and blew the ***** out of the french reactor Sadam was building there.
Iraq really loved Israel. in 1991 they even sent some surprise gifts to israel using good 'ol scuds...
GEEZ... how ignorant can people get here?!- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -4/+10"GEEZ... how ignorant can people get here?!"
Liberalism is based on ignorance . . . not to mention cowardice.- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -0/+8Extreme Liberalism is not ignorant, it is naive. Some extreme US and European Liberals (who really like Digg apparently) actually believe that if the western world won't have WMDs, the world will be a better place (and not, for example, run by Iran when they get nukes and threaten to blow up every nation that doesn't succumb to Sharia law).
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -2/+8lconoclast: *****. this was not a liberal view. it's a stupid-ass unresearched view. being stupid-ass is not a liberal monopoly, I'm afraid.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/22/2008, -0/+2Not a monopoly, but the 90% rule applies . . . twice.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -4/+10"GEEZ... how ignorant can people get here?!"
- ramo13, on 02/21/2008, -21/+37Try the US-Israeli support for Saddam's war against Iran
- wpi97, on 02/21/2008, -19/+43And yet the Fundamentalist Islamist Regime of Iran has been fighting a proxy war against Israel via Hezbollah for decades...
- Falldog, on 02/21/2008, -9/+19As opposed to the clean microbes who wash up after using the restroom.
- bullcutter, on 02/21/2008, -32/+29Naw, see you guys, you got the translation all wrong again.
The quotes are really from when he was giving a biology lesson to his ex-students in the medical prison, where he used to deliver babies and such, and was talking about how world powers had accidentally created a penecillin-resistant bacteria by unecessarily administering too much penecillin.
But there you Zionites go again, confabulating with the media and taking things out of context...
/ but seriously, how many different ways can this guy say "I want to destroy Israel" before we understand that he _really_ wants to destroy Israel??- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -7/+2uhh you do know that he has ***** all power over the military right?
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -2/+4His views are shared by the current supreme leader to the best of my memory.
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1well i'm sorry but it's not true. ahmadinejad is a secret marxist, he believes in though crimes and other extreme marxist things. the ayatollah in iran is more towards capitalism and does not agree with his views. presidents in iran have become figureheads and only have limited power in national matters. i'm still gonna get dugg down for stating the truth. ahmadinejad presented himself a capitalist and promised a better economy, health care, and lower inflation. he didn't do any of that and now he just stirs ***** up by talking about israel.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -2/+4His views are shared by the current supreme leader to the best of my memory.
- wintermute0, on 02/21/2008, -0/+7As long as he keeps finding absurd and inflammatory ways to say it, I'm going to keep listening.
I've been a fan since 'no ***** in Iran' and he hasn't let me down since.- bullcutter, on 02/21/2008, -1/+4haha... lets not forget widening and repaving the streets of Tehran for the imminent coming of the Hidden Imam. Man, that guy's gonna be pissed when he gets here...." the world is supposed to be all Islam by now, wtf??"
He also got in trouble for watching a belly dancer in Turkey last summer. Hardline my ass!
- bullcutter, on 02/21/2008, -1/+4haha... lets not forget widening and repaving the streets of Tehran for the imminent coming of the Hidden Imam. Man, that guy's gonna be pissed when he gets here...." the world is supposed to be all Islam by now, wtf??"
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -7/+2uhh you do know that he has ***** all power over the military right?
- DCLutz77, on 02/21/2008, -19/+26This man should not be in control of any kind of military force.
- Gabberwok, on 02/21/2008, -7/+29Don't worry, he's not. He's politically impotent, just loud and obnoxious.
- siszam, on 02/21/2008, -11/+2Just like Bush.
- goffy59, on 02/21/2008, -5/+1Almost like Bush. Not quite!
- 1timeuser, on 02/21/2008, -1/+1the military seems to do what bush wants at least 60% of the time.
- siszam, on 02/21/2008, -11/+2Just like Bush.
- JuanBSU, on 02/21/2008, -11/+14Yet we have a guy in control of our military force that made comments about the "Axis of Evil?" What's the difference? Well, besides the fact that Ahmadinejad is the one that probably won't act upon his remarks...
- insllvn, on 02/21/2008, -4/+10Yeah dammit! No world leader should be permitted to threaten preemptive violence against another power, no matter what hostile intention they may perceive. War in Iraq you say? No WMD's you say? No no no that can't be right....
- zovres, on 02/21/2008, -5/+10let's worry about the crazy wackos running our military before we worry about freaking jews and freaking arabs.
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -2/+6here is a big ***** you for thinking iranians are arabs
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -2/+4How about "***** moslems?" That is far more accurate, anyway.
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -2/+6here is a big ***** you for thinking iranians are arabs
- thomas, on 02/21/2008, -0/+12True, but Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn't really in control of Iran's military the supreme leader of Iran Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is the person that is really in control.
- mjw2025, on 02/21/2008, -2/+4What makes you believe that he isn't mirroring what the Ayatollah wants. If he was some kind of loose cannon in Iran he's be gone the first time he opened his mouth about something that was contrary to the Ayatollla's desires.
- deanjarvis, on 02/21/2008, -3/+3People have already said it, but he's not in control of the military. He's little more than a figure head. Americans seem to know nothing about other governments and other types of governments.
- Gabberwok, on 02/21/2008, -7/+29Don't worry, he's not. He's politically impotent, just loud and obnoxious.
- VacaN, on 02/21/2008, -41/+113Do you people read? Or just follow the crowd? He said "World powers have created a dirty microbe, called the Zionist regime". He's talking about the Israeli government not the citizens. Quit the BS headlines and spread of propaganda.
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -25/+43exactly. he has nothing against jews. as a matter of fact, there is a video on youtube of a meeting of orthodox jews and him. they seem to have lots of respect for each other. orthodox jews don't like zionists either. zionists are evil.
- lickmylovepump, on 02/21/2008, -21/+18but the Holocaust didn't happen, right? seems like I remember him saying that once... but yeah, he loves those Jews.
- AussieFox, on 02/21/2008, -15/+13Again, just because he may not believe that it happened, doesn't mean that he hates them.
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -9/+14perhaps this will open your eyes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNcaQ4k7VM8
- birdman14, on 02/21/2008, -6/+3best comment ever. you ppl always have to chose one side. ITS ALWAYS GREY. ALWAYS.
- Zecchetti, on 02/21/2008, -6/+3Wow, excellent video. There's something very warm about orthodoxes from different religions meeting and greeting in this way.
- Zecchetti, on 02/21/2008, -8/+5once again, a zionist invokes the holocaust.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -4/+6@ Zechetti - and once again, a gutless liberal (recognizing the redundancy) terrorist supporter dismisses The Holocaust.
- Zecchetti, on 02/21/2008, -6/+4I didn't dismiss the holocaust. I just don;t see how the holocaust of the Jews justifies today's holocaust of the Palestinians
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -4/+6There is no "holocaust" of the Palestinians. When the Palestinians didn't attack Israel, Israel didn't attack them. The Palestinians lived peacefully under occupation for most of the last 40 years - they could enter Israel, they used Israel's facilities (water, electricity, etc.) They only got into the huge mess they are in today after Arafat refused to Clinton's offer for a state on 95% of Palestinian lands + East Jeruslam, and started to attack Israel.
- lickmylovepump, on 02/21/2008, -21/+18but the Holocaust didn't happen, right? seems like I remember him saying that once... but yeah, he loves those Jews.
- neio, on 02/21/2008, -17/+13So the people of Israel elected their government and he calls their government evil, by definition he's calling the people evil.
Can somebody just please take him out, the Cheytac sniper rifle should do nicely.- MordechiZ, on 02/21/2008, -16/+165 million people live under Israeli occupation and have ZERO right to vote or to do anything else the Zionist government disapproves of. That's not a democracy.
- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -11/+10Aye. That's apartheid.
- Zecchetti, on 02/21/2008, -8/+5Exactly what I was about to say, apartheid.
- hmemcpy, on 02/21/2008, -3/+6Tell me, does it hurt much, pulling numbers out of your ass?
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -3/+6@ hmecmcpy . . . probably only bothers their ears . . . . ;-)
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -3/+6These people got under Israeli occupation when they attacked Israel. Israel recognizes their right to a country and supplied them with electricity, water, and even WEAPONS. These people don't recognize Israel's right to exist and attack. What would you do in this case?
- AussieFox, on 02/21/2008, -4/+15So the people of America elected their government and he calls their government evil, by definition he's calling the people evil.
^^ This also works- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -8/+3no, just us, for our human-life-hating foreign policy
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -4/+5beebrain - we don't hate humans, only terrorists and their supporters. Don't worry; you make the list.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -1/+7The Arab and Muslim rhetoric against the "Zionist regime" hasn't changed in the last few decades, in fact of many different governments.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -4/+5I'd love a chance to shoot that! Especially at such a deserving target. Do NOT carry the ammo in your pocket - the ogive is so sharp it will penetrate deeply into the body (happened to a buddy of mine).
- SuperVepr308, on 02/21/2008, -2/+2The "Tac" is indeed a bad ass weapon. It really helps you to reach out and touch someone:)
- MordechiZ, on 02/21/2008, -16/+165 million people live under Israeli occupation and have ZERO right to vote or to do anything else the Zionist government disapproves of. That's not a democracy.
- da233, on 02/21/2008, -8/+10What a blind statement. The reason orthodox jews do not like Zionism is because the orthodoxs, following what the Torah says, believe that the creation of an Israeli state cannot be allowed to occur. Evil is an irresponsible word to use. Looks like the constant bombardment of negativity toward Israel by muslims have gotten to you as well.
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -9/+8***** you. Israel was created in 1948 because there were Zionists in UN who were arguing "BECAUSE GOD SAID SO". But Israel could not be created before the return of Messiah. So, State of Israel is ILLEGAL. ***** Zionists.
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -1/+9I said this earlier, but here goes again:
The zionist jews have been proven right in that whole 1933-1945 thing that happened in Europe (as well as in many other smaller incidents all over the world). Fact of the matter that the countries and people of the world have a hard time seeing what is the difference between Jews (people who are born or converted to the jewish faith) and zionists (people who support the jewish people right to a state of their own) - confusing both of those. a good example of this was the Buenos-aires synagog bombing - it didn't target ZIONISTS - it targeted JEWS - the people who orchestrated that attack didn't see the difference either.
Actually the whole Zionist thing is a relatively new thing, a movement that actually begun in the 19th century, as a result of the realization that governments and people of the world tended to treat jews as an ETHNICAL group, i.e. race, rather then just people who believe/practice a certain religion. I agree that the roots of zionism are secular. but as time progressed more and more religious jews have become sympathetic to the zionist view - and for good reason. Jewish rights have been protected much better in the last 60 years then have ever been in history, as far as I know. - neko6, on 02/21/2008, -0/+7No, Israel was created because most land in that region was owned by Jews (mostly those who fled Europe in WW2), and because the UK promised the Jews they will set them a country there. I don't think you can find god anywhere in the UN protocols of the subject, nor in the Israeli declaration of independence. Zionism was almost entirely a secular movement.
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -1/+9I said this earlier, but here goes again:
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -9/+8***** you. Israel was created in 1948 because there were Zionists in UN who were arguing "BECAUSE GOD SAID SO". But Israel could not be created before the return of Messiah. So, State of Israel is ILLEGAL. ***** Zionists.
- pitlord, on 02/21/2008, -10/+11The Israeli government is about as ANTI-ZIONIST as they can be! They are practically run by self hating "Jews" who jump at ANY opportunity to offer land, money, virgin daughters or any other concession they can think of to anyone who claims "teh j00s are oppressing me, they built a fence to stop our explosives."
-_-
Anybody who calls the Israeli government "Zionist" is totally ignorant of the current political state in Israel.
>.>- humanerror, on 04/03/2008, -7/+4Ummm I would like one of those virgin daughters please
- manicleek, on 02/21/2008, -3/+9It's not even Israels goverment he's talking out against is it, seems it's targeted at the US and UK for helping to create the state of Israel
- rbdiggit, on 02/21/2008, -7/+8Thank you VacaN. I'm glad someone else bothers to ***** read this *****. Here all you diggers are saying "***** bush" "***** first strike attacks" "***** this" "***** that"... but then you are the first ones to BEHAVE like bush in this situation involving Ahmadinejad. I'm an australian, and I was ***** disgusted to see to see the way Ahmadinejad was treated during his recent visits to US universities. Show me a video where he says that the holocaust did not happen. Show me a video where he says ISRAEL is a dirty microbe, rather than the israeli regime. You can't. You read fabricated stories and swallow them whole, and then spit them out as FACT. I thought that this was the point of DIGG.... To promote the story BEHIND the stories. But clearly there are people here suffering from dumb ***** brain, just like everyone else in todays "normal" society.
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -5/+6"Show me a video where he says that the holocaust did not happen"
well... he did host that conference with a bunch of holocaust deniers..
"Show me a video where he says ISRAEL is a dirty microbe"
he NEVER says "israel" since he does not think it's right to exist. it's always going to be the "zionist entity" or the "zionist regime".
Israel = zionist state = wipe of the map = microbe.
get it?- rbdiggit, on 02/21/2008, -7/+2I'm waiting for links to prove your views 100%. You can not make a generalised claim like "he does not think it's right to exist" without backing it up with evidence. Fox news has tried tactics like this, and fox news sucks an arse. Believe me, I'm not so narrow minded to believe that I know Ahmadinejad the man. I'm neither for him or against him. But I do know that he is consistently misrepresented in the media, and the title of this post perfectly illustrates that.
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -4/+7"I'm waiting for links to prove your views 100%"
please point to a place where he says that israel has a right to exist. Actually... show me a place where he actually mentunes Israel at all.. - rbdiggit, on 02/21/2008, -8/+1I'm not the one making claims here you ***** moron!!! My god. I feel dumber after engaging in this conversation with you. Go ***** yourself.
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -1/+7truly a class act all the way.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -2/+6Ignore him, cz; most Aussies are good folks with spines. This one obviously is their equivalent of our liberal douche bags.
- SuperVepr308, on 02/21/2008, -3/+5Australia can feel free to host his ass anytime they want. We don't need scum like him walking our land. Actually, I have enough respect for Australia to believe the majority of them see him as the POS he is. You must be the exception (I hope)
- czman, on 02/21/2008, -5/+6"Show me a video where he says that the holocaust did not happen"
- brufleth, on 02/21/2008, -6/+4Right. The title and description alone were enough to tell this was exaggeration and misquoting.
People in the US say they dislike the right wing neo-cons and/or left wing nut-jobs all the time. That doesn't mean they're calling for mass genocide. Please do a better job parsing speeches for inflammatory content next time. - bullcutter, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5Its so cheesy when people try to use this as an argument. Such a shallow and empty attempt to morally justify the words of hatred from a madman. Oh, blame the country not the people. That's like saying blame the U.S. but not its citizens.
I suppose you think when Iranians are chanting "DEATH TO AMERICA!!!" they are really just talking about ending the unification of the 50 states and they really don't want any Americans to die at all.
And when Ahmadinejad nukes Israel, if the Israelis still happen to be there then, well, that's not his fault, right?
Whether we like it or not, we are responsible for those we put in power to govern the land around us. The Israelis are responsible for their regime, while Ahmadinejad serves at the pleasure of the Mullahs. He is the real "puppet" anyway.
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -25/+43exactly. he has nothing against jews. as a matter of fact, there is a video on youtube of a meeting of orthodox jews and him. they seem to have lots of respect for each other. orthodox jews don't like zionists either. zionists are evil.
- juttman, on 02/21/2008, -30/+14That guy is going to nuke Israel someday, hopefully we get to him first.
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -8/+14stop watching TV.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -2/+4No ***** - its almost all liberal lies (again a redundancy) - but it certainly works to brain wash the sheep. Speaking of which, isn't it almost time for you to donate your wool to the dnc?
- deanjarvis, on 02/21/2008, -5/+2Uhhh... he can't first he's not in control of military force and second they have no nuclear program.
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -8/+14stop watching TV.
- sub1, on 02/21/2008, -27/+19Its always a mistranslation, is that correct left wingers?
- j0ker666, on 02/21/2008, -8/+5I am guessing that you don't speak farsi, so its really not as if you know what has been said either.
- twomeyw23334, on 02/21/2008, -1/+5You don't understand, he bashed Bush so he must be a cool guy.
- brufleth, on 02/21/2008, -4/+2Title: "Israel a dirty microbe"
Description: "a dirty microbe, called the Zionist regime"
Do some critical thinking. Zionist regime doesn't have to mean all of Israel. Maybe that is what he means and I'm certainly not denying that the guy seems to get off on being controversial. That said, the title and description of this post proves that misquotes are being made.
- coltrane68, on 02/21/2008, -24/+15This is just Naziism. This kind of rhetoric is analogous to the rhetoric of Hitler in the late '30's. It is truly reprehensible.
- 10001110101, on 02/21/2008, -9/+5Godwin's Law proved yet again.
- hansk, on 02/21/2008, -10/+8Yeh this has a lot to do with German National Socialism.
moron.- Malevolant, on 02/21/2008, -2/+7Look up the word "analogy" and discover it's meaning....
- jjacksonRIAB, on 02/21/2008, -5/+2Look up the word "contraction" and discover *its* meaning...
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -0/+4Your suggestion presupposes the ability to comprehend the term "look up." You are addressing a liberal . . . comprehension is impossible.
- hansk, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1Simply whitewashing this as 'naziism' is a gross over generalization. I wouldn't expect people like malevolant or coletrane to understand.
- Malevolant, on 02/21/2008, -2/+7Look up the word "analogy" and discover it's meaning....
- zovres, on 02/21/2008, -8/+5and bush calling iran evil and threatening them is ok?
- Mikhail101, on 02/21/2008, -24/+57Dont bury me as I dont support Mahmood Whateverhisnameisinajad,
I think its not fair to have kicked the Palestinian people out, there are lots of Palestinians that have no homes and have no country. I even met one Palestinians family who said they like other Palestinians had no passports. I think something should be done about this because in my honest opinion Israel has been getting away with too much crap. If bush wanted to be a hero he should have help the 2 nations negotiate rather than send money to Israel- Ganja420, on 02/21/2008, -17/+18Except one nation has elected Hamas to administer their government. Hamas' charter (written in 1988 and still in effect) calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Kinda hard to negotiate peace with this kind of undertone...
- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -10/+10They had every chance to avoid that situation.
- SaladCactusKing, on 02/21/2008, -4/+6"She was wearing a low-cut skirt!"
- Odopoddie, on 02/21/2008, -13/+14I don't blame the Palestinians for electing Hamas, even though it was the wrong thing to do, it seems everything else has failed them.
- SaladCactusKing, on 02/21/2008, -4/+11Including Hamas. Tell me, what has their government done except provoke civil war with Fatah and instigate Israel into killing their power by shooting rockets into Israeli cities? Yet Israel still powers their hospitals.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -1/+4Everything except living in peace . . . .
- pintomp3, on 02/21/2008, -3/+1you mean living under apartheid and occupation.
- deanjarvis, on 02/21/2008, -8/+5It's apparent that a lot of Americans have no clue about world history. Israel should not be in that territory. It's not theirs. They were suppose to withdraw some 30 years ago. Not to mention that the whole state of Israel didn't exist until after WWII. It's an apology for the atrocities committed by the German's that have cost the world dearly.
- Ganja420, on 02/21/2008, -3/+3Yea and Americans shouldn't be in America either it belongs to the Native Americans... and plus the jews were there for a couple thousand years... ever heard of Moses? Uhm Jesus was a jew too and he was supposedly born in Bethlehem..... im pretty sure thats in what is today Israel.
Solution just give the Palestinians some reservations and let them own Casinos... like we did in America. ;)
- Ganja420, on 02/21/2008, -3/+3Yea and Americans shouldn't be in America either it belongs to the Native Americans... and plus the jews were there for a couple thousand years... ever heard of Moses? Uhm Jesus was a jew too and he was supposedly born in Bethlehem..... im pretty sure thats in what is today Israel.
- firstprimate, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2They elected Hamas, the US elected Bush - one is threatening to destroy an oppressor that is occupying their land, the other has destroyed three countries that were never and could never have been a threat to the US.
Hamas won a free and fair election. You, Bush and Israel are punishing the Palestinians for being Democratic.
Where's the sense? Where's the brains? Are you all ***** morons?
- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -10/+10They had every chance to avoid that situation.
- pitlord, on 02/21/2008, -11/+10What about the money Bush sent to the Palestinians which they use to buy rockets and explosives for suicide bombers?
-_-
Is that money okay with you?- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -5/+4you have GOT to stop putting those faces in your messages. it's ***** retarded.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -1/+4The faces are childish, but your comments are those which are "***** retarded."
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -5/+4you have GOT to stop putting those faces in your messages. it's ***** retarded.
- rlbond86, on 02/21/2008, -9/+13A lot of Israelis agree with you. Unfortunately the crazies are in control there just like here.
- podrag, on 02/21/2008, -6/+6Finally a sensible voice amongst the chatter. Thank you Mikhail.
- SuperVepr308, on 02/21/2008, -3/+3He isn't sensible, he is misinformed. THERE WAS NO ***** PALESTINE, PEOPLE. Please read a book on the state of the country before Israel's creation and the British creation of "Trans-Jordan" before you bother speaking on this subject.
- salinemist, on 02/21/2008, -2/+2There's no such thing as "Palestinians", they're all Jordanians and Egyptians. And just like Israel, Jordan and Egypt doesn't want them either.
- firstprimate, on 02/21/2008, -3/+3They are human. They are being denied their rights. Their land was stolen. The thieves are oppressing them.
How being Jordanian or Egyptian or Palestinian negates their rights is a mystery.
- firstprimate, on 02/21/2008, -3/+3They are human. They are being denied their rights. Their land was stolen. The thieves are oppressing them.
- bullcutter, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2It wasn't fair when the Romans kicked the Jews out from that very same land. But having said that, I can't believe after 60 years the Palestinians and Israelis still can't even pretend to make nice. What the hell is Israel doing with all the aid money we send them anyway? Building a new line of Hybrids?
- Ganja420, on 02/21/2008, -17/+18Except one nation has elected Hamas to administer their government. Hamas' charter (written in 1988 and still in effect) calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Kinda hard to negotiate peace with this kind of undertone...
- thesubs, on 02/21/2008, -32/+38Judging on what Israel has done in waging war on Lebanon... I have to agree
- pitlord, on 02/21/2008, -12/+17You mean when Lebanon harbored the terrorists who kidnapped two Israeli soldiers? Is that the war the Israel "waged" on Lebanon?
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I suppose in your mind the U.S. attacked Afghanistan on 9/11!- AussieFox, on 02/21/2008, -14/+9No, but the US has been sticking its nose in muslim countries affairs for decades. Killing their leaders and supplying money, weapons and training to religious fanatics.
- SuperVepr308, on 02/21/2008, -3/+4Exactly pitlord. The Arabs invaded Lebanon and Israel came in and pushed their ass back for humanitarian and security reasons. Read a ***** book or talk to someone who was there. I have done both.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5To these hate-mongering leftist cowards, if it's not on "rawstory," it doesn't count.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -2/+1The Arabs invaded Israel, and Israel pushed them out. Then the Arabs invaded Israel again, and Israel pushed them out. Then the Arabs invaded Israel again, and Israel pushed them out. Then the Arabs shot rockets on Israel, and Israel did not retaliate. Then the Arabs kidnapped soldiers and Israel got pissed off and attacked.
And now you're surprised Israel has an itchy finger on the trigger?
- thesubs, on 02/21/2008, -6/+2Well... the us did supply the ingrediants for the situation in afghanistan.... trained current terrorist leaders etc...
buw apart from that, cluster bombing civilian areas? and killing the UN reps on the border.... even after these radioed in and told the israelies to stop shelling them...
- pitlord, on 02/21/2008, -12/+17You mean when Lebanon harbored the terrorists who kidnapped two Israeli soldiers? Is that the war the Israel "waged" on Lebanon?
- OffPiste, on 02/21/2008, -23/+9Religion of Peace. What a joke.
- zovres, on 02/21/2008, -11/+6christiannity is no better
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -1/+10i'm a muslim, please don't use that as an excuse. it's true that we are a little behind, but our name is being dragged through the mud because of some arab nations. Also offpiste is judging a 1.5 billion person religion based on a few actions. that's ignorant.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -4/+2"that's accurate." Fixed it for you.
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -0/+4I side with makkaveli here - but the sad fact is that most Arab Muslim countries teach their children extreme hatred to anything that isn't Muslim, and more so on Israel. Many Muslims are anti-Israeli and many hate Jews - both because they were shoved lies and propaganda. It's very hard to move people out of such a state of hatred.
P.S: An interesting side note - non Arab Muslim countries are either apathic to Israel (Indonesia and such) or even empathic (Turkey is an ally, Pakistan has secret connections, Iran used to be an ally, etc.) and that non-Muslim Arabs have allied with Israel (Christian militias in Lebanon, Druze Arabs and Beduine in Israel serve in the army, etc.)
- neko6, on 02/21/2008, -0/+4I side with makkaveli here - but the sad fact is that most Arab Muslim countries teach their children extreme hatred to anything that isn't Muslim, and more so on Israel. Many Muslims are anti-Israeli and many hate Jews - both because they were shoved lies and propaganda. It's very hard to move people out of such a state of hatred.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -4/+2"that's accurate." Fixed it for you.
- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -1/+10i'm a muslim, please don't use that as an excuse. it's true that we are a little behind, but our name is being dragged through the mud because of some arab nations. Also offpiste is judging a 1.5 billion person religion based on a few actions. that's ignorant.
- zovres, on 02/21/2008, -11/+6christiannity is no better
- stutimandal, on 02/21/2008, -10/+7And what are you if one microbe is being your nemesis?
- Qtip42, on 02/21/2008, -15/+7Well they are technically just for being in bed with the U.S. ......let them solve their own problems. I don't see why people think it's wrong for them to be on their own, they can deal with ahmadinejad on their own.
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -14/+5zionists infiltrated US government so that they could turn US on their side because they knew that by themselves they would be eaten alive for their oppression of the palestinians.
- SaladCactusKing, on 02/21/2008, -5/+10"Zionists infiltrated US Government"
Jesus christ, close your copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion for a ***** minute.- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -9/+3hey, mccain is an israel ass kisser, bush is an israel ass kisser, etc, etc,
israeli government is a zionist regime. WE DON'T NEED ZIONISTS IN OUR GOVERNMENT. WE SHOULD ONLY BE CONCERNED WITH KISSING ASS OF OUR OWN COUNTRY AND NOT ISRAELS. ***** zionists. - czman, on 02/21/2008, -1/+7actually...cageybee has the protocols linked from his digg profile.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5Anyone else notice that this user name is the English transliteration of the acronym for the largest disinformation network the world has ever seen - the KGB ??? One which was notorious for its persecution of Jews? It's entirely coincidental, of course . . . . Of course.
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -9/+3hey, mccain is an israel ass kisser, bush is an israel ass kisser, etc, etc,
- SaladCactusKing, on 02/21/2008, -5/+10"Zionists infiltrated US Government"
- cageybee, on 02/21/2008, -14/+5zionists infiltrated US government so that they could turn US on their side because they knew that by themselves they would be eaten alive for their oppression of the palestinians.
- Daiken, on 02/21/2008, -13/+19Sigh, all this bs again? After last time's debacle, I think most people still don't understand what exactly happened when the media started saying Ahmadinjad wanted to wipe Israel of the face of the earth. Hence, I don't really trust taking my news from an Israeli news source, but I mean what's new anyways? He doesn't like Israel, everyone gets it. It doesn't have the make the front page every time he opens his mouth.
- pitlord, on 02/21/2008, -8/+17You sound just like the idiots who said the Hitler wasn't REALLY trying to conquer Europe.
>.>- makkaveli19, on 02/21/2008, -6/+3wow man, you do know that ahmadinejad has NO power over the military in iran. it's the same guy who has been in power since ***** khomeini died. about 17-20 years. if they wanted to attack israel they would have done it a long time ago.
- the6thReplicant, on 02/21/2008, -4/+1You mean like all the rich businesses in the UK and US who didn't want their investments destroyed?
- pitlord, on 02/21/2008, -8/+17You sound just like the idiots who said the Hitler wasn't REALLY trying to conquer Europe.
- DaffyDuck, on 02/21/2008, -14/+13Can microbes tecnically get dirty? He should think a little more about these made up insults before using them.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -0/+5The term "think" implies some degree of rationality. This is markedly absent in the followers of the mad barbarian pederast.
- hansk, on 02/21/2008, -12/+11gotta love the suit jacket sans the tie.
- insllvn, on 02/21/2008, -5/+23Dammit world, don't feed the trolls.