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MONSTROUS! Israeli Army Loots Food, Clothes from Orphanage!
uruknet.de — Hundreds of Israeli occupation troops stormed a Palestinian orphanage and a boarding school in the southern West Bank City of Hebron early Thursday, looting large amounts of frozen food, dairy products, clothes, shoes, and refrigerators. The looted materials were to be used to feed and cloth as many as seven thousand orphan girls and boys.
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- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -26/+36How unbelievably awful, and completely unjustifiable. Monstrous. Little defenseless innocent orphans, now bare and hungry.
What is notable in the article is how much the Palestinians distrust the so-called Palestinian Authority, recognizing it as an untrustworthy puppet. Moreover, they think the PA may even be *complicit* in these heinous acts on its own children! - WaltDismal, on 03/10/2008, -23/+38It's scraping the bottom of the barrel when a military force is used to loot an orphanage. What kind of sick mind justifies this kind of action?
- DreadPirate, on 03/10/2008, -16/+34Any independent confirmation of this story? I would be wary of taking this story at face value until there is. I took a look at the story and the site it was on and was not impressed. There has been plenty of this type of propaganda flying back and forth on both sides, so until I see any confirmation I will reserve judgement.
If it indeed happened it would be terrible, of course. No reason the military should be looting an orphanage.- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -20/+11The Independent picked it up I think but I haven't checked. If not give it a day for the regular outlets to cover it.
There's a few reasons Israel would do this, so it's not that as much as that they actually DID it.
Are you a CUFI, DP? - DreadPirate, on 03/10/2008, -7/+18Considering I have no idea what a CUFI is, I doubt it.
- CryRightardCry, on 03/10/2008, -15/+9Christians United for Israel.
Just a group of dumbass Americans who think supporting Israel over their own country will somehow buy them a place in heaven.
Retards, mostly.
Isn't it AMAZING how many "christians" look for loopholes and shortcuts like this rather than just living by the Christian teachings.
John Hagee (rightard false christian) says CUFI is just like a christian AIPAC.
So worry.
But yeah, we need sourcing on this, or some legitimate source to back it up.
- CryRightardCry, on 03/10/2008, -15/+9Christians United for Israel.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -20/+11The Independent picked it up I think but I haven't checked. If not give it a day for the regular outlets to cover it.
- hmemcpy, on 03/10/2008, -20/+29...according to Palestinian sources.
Yeah, because we know they'd never fake news.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -23/+13What, are you insulting the IDF by implying they couldn't kill any Palestinians? That's anti-Israel and antisemitic! REPORTED.
- ad33lshahid, on 03/10/2008, -13/+10Yeah because it is just SOO hard to believe that Israel would do something such as you know, bullying? give me a break. I'd be shocked if Israel DIDNT do this.
- thecoolestguy, on 03/18/2008, -3/+3What about those Israelis!
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -18/+20Here's another source, which appears to be direct even though it's the same material. The journalist is named.
http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/en/default.aspx?xy ...- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -16/+10Here is the Journalist's Bio
http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/Biosind/kh ...- neonominator, on 03/10/2008, -9/+19wawawewa!!! what a lack of bias that independent journalist has!!! he would never evar spin misinfo against israel i just know it!!!! except when he says
'The wanton destruction of Lebanon and Gaza by the Israeli war machine has opened the eyes of the world to the real nature of this Judeo-Nazi entity which knows no language other than the language of war, death and destruction.'
'Israel must be exposed for what it is, a terrorist state that has no right to exist.'
'if Jews who support this satanic entity are not willing to call the spade a spade and recognize a holocaust as a holocaust, then they should be viewed as active accomplices in this wanton rampage of murder and terror.'
damn neocognitism u and yellowcakewalk and khalid have all the same talking points!!! its plain 2 see his 'journalism' inspires u !!!! lulz- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -16/+9Are you enjoying yourself, annoying little mosquito? You are being so flattering, using my reddit username as your shill account.
- neonominator, on 03/11/2008, -6/+13dont u want 2 talk about khalid amayreh and his inspirational words??? also what is the reddit nonsense u r always whinging aboot?? cant u decide what ur real username is yellowcakewalk???? buzzbuzzbuzzzz
- WaltDismal, on 03/11/2008, -14/+5It's amazing how the Nazis are rallying to bury news of what they are doing. That shows how scared they are of the world finding out. The war criminals need to control the press to protect their land grabs. How pathetic your tactics are, Yonoz.
- yonoz, on 03/11/2008, -3/+13MuhahahHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Fly my pretties, FLY! ***** bat guanu all over WD's car! Increase his utility bills and make his breath stink! Infest his computer with malware and clog his sewerage! While my mindless minions are toiling away at their keyboards to SILENCE intrepid diggers who have no obsession whatsoever with demonizing my people.
HIHIHIHIHIhihihihihih...........
- yonoz, on 03/11/2008, -3/+13MuhahahHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
- neonominator, on 03/10/2008, -9/+19wawawewa!!! what a lack of bias that independent journalist has!!! he would never evar spin misinfo against israel i just know it!!!! except when he says
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -16/+10Here is the Journalist's Bio
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -26/+26Geez, now that's scraping the bottom of the barrel alright...of propaganda.
- ad33lshahid, on 03/10/2008, -12/+6yeah theres NO way that Israel could stoop to that level right? because they havent already harassed the native population for 60 years.
- WaltDismal, on 03/10/2008, -22/+20According to the article, the IDF issued a confiscation order for the contents of the orphanage, so there is official IDF documentation that it happened, it's not just some Palestinian's claim it happened.
So foopirata, forget your claim it's propaganda.- hmemcpy, on 03/10/2008, -10/+17And I assume you have a link to the documentation?
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -15/+6Call your government and let us know what you find.
- hmemcpy, on 03/10/2008, -7/+13Necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -14/+6So you are a follower of Hagee then?
- hadees, on 03/13/2008, -3/+4People shouldn't be expected to prove a negative. If you claim this happened then offer more evidence then one news story. As it happens I searched for this on Al Jazeera and found nothing. Considering the fact they aren't running the story I am highly skeptical that it happened.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -15/+6Call your government and let us know what you find.
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -12/+24WaltDismal, unless you can show me the documentation, it's still one more of the faux follies that pass for press in the Palestinian street.
Don't you for a moment think that if this had actually happened all the 'humanitarian' groups would be shrieking? Not to mention Abbas & Co. ?
I would like to think you're being gullible and naive - but unfortunately, it looks like it's way worse than that.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -18/+8We're not trying to prove a damn thing to you, because you're a Ziontologist who is only hear to spread FUD, which is exactly what all three of you here are doing. Perhaps you should look at the story on the seven yeshiva students killed, and behave how EVERYONE did on that article. Christ, next you'll say they deserved it.
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -10/+16"We're not trying to prove a damn thing to you, because you're a Ziontologist" - so, _again_ you're showing you're not interested in debate, only in distributing your propaganda. There it is, straight from the pig's mouth.
"Christ, next you'll say they deserved it." - you should really check that projection thing you got going.- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -13/+8Someday you will realize that most of what you say from every account you use makes no sense. No wait, you already know that, FUDmaster Z.
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -10/+12And that's the best you can come up with. I stand proved.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -13/+8"stand proved" isn't proper English.
You "stand proved" of what? - foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -7/+11OMG!!!!1111ONEONEONE anonbornenglishspeakermadeamistakeOMOMG!!!ONEONEone.
I stand proven then, does that unbunch your panties?
I stand proven of your incapability of conducting proper debate. - neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -12/+8How did you prove that?
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -7/+15Oh, I didn't, neocognitism. As always, you did that job all by your sweet self.
1) put out a dubious claim
2) declare you don't have to prove it
3) suppress discussion and debate by adopting a childish "dialogue" with yourself.
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -10/+12And that's the best you can come up with. I stand proved.
- WaltDismal, on 03/11/2008, -10/+6Here are further details of the confiscation order according to a third party Christian peacemaker's team: http://thehollytree.blogspot.com/2008/03/christian ...
- yonoz, on 03/11/2008, -7/+11No, the dates are different. Here's a news report regarding the incident mentioned in the source you provided:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080226/ap_on_re_mi_ea ... - WaltDismal, on 03/11/2008, -9/+5Aha. So you admit there was however a confiscation order for a nursery school on a different date. We'll add that to the list of admitted atrocities.
- yonoz, on 03/11/2008, -6/+8Atrocity? How so?
Remember, no mentions of looting children's underwear this time. - foopirata, on 03/17/2008, -4/+2WaltDismal, what are you smoking?By pointing out that what you supply is related to a different incident, you jump to the conclusion that "there was however a confiscation order for a nursery school on a different date" ? Show us that order then if you're so sure.
- yonoz, on 03/11/2008, -7/+11No, the dates are different. Here's a news report regarding the incident mentioned in the source you provided:
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -13/+8Someday you will realize that most of what you say from every account you use makes no sense. No wait, you already know that, FUDmaster Z.
- DreadPirate, on 03/10/2008, -11/+18Walt - the article can claim anything it damn well pleases - but that doesn't make it true. Until that documentation shows up in a reputable location, I am going to take this entire report with a very large grain of salt. Just because you and your ilk *want* this report to be true doesn't make it so.
- WaltDismal, on 03/11/2008, -11/+7The military holding order will appear in the March 2008 edition of the report from the Applied Research Institute ‐ Jerusalem (ATIJ). Here is an example of the February report.
http://www.arij.org//images/Monthly-Reports/Februa ...
They pull the information from local papers in Israel. So foopirata, saying "Don't you for a moment think that if this had actually happened all the 'humanitarian' groups would be shrieking?", well, they ARE. So you and hmemcpy, piss off. You can summon all the negative diggs you want, use all the rhetoric tactics you want, but as I have said, in the long run you cannot suppress the truth.- yonoz, on 03/11/2008, -7/+11Once again, the dates are different, here's a news report about the Feb. 26th confiscation: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080226/ap_on_re_mi_ea ...
- WaltDismal, on 03/17/2008, -3/+7All right, asshat, finally copies of the military orders have emerged into the light.
http://www.kawther.info/ga2/v/Documents/military_o ...
So now your lying denials can stop. The IDF did indeed have orders to loot and destroy a charity, the orphanage and surrounding buildings. You foul defenders of atrocity cannot hide the truth forever. - neocognitism, on 03/17/2008, -3/+7Walt, of course you are right. yonoz and foobutt are only here to deflect and confuse. If you claimed 2 x 2 = 4 he would try to say 2 + 2 != 4 and send you into a little circular pointless exchange. Don't feed these Ziontologist trolls! He's definitely being paid.
Also, if this occupation is over, then how can they issue any kind of order to give to the Gazans? hmmm.. - foopirata, on 03/17/2008, -6/+2Funny thing, those orders are pointed at the "Young Muslims Association", while your article mentions "Islamic Charitable Society". Looks like someone hasn't got their ducks aligned just right.
According to the NY Times, at http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950 ... we see:
"At a meeting in Hebron on Wednesday night, Israeli military commanders appealed for help in maintaining security and order to a group of local Palestinian leaders that included Sheik Talal Sidr, the leader of the Young Muslims Association, who is also affiliated with Hamas." - the article is from January 17,1997. Looks like 10 years ago these people were already a Hamas front. - neocognitism, on 03/17/2008, -1/+5Exactly, the IOF claims the space was used by YMA/Hamas, whereas the orphanage says it is just an unaffiliated part of the ICS. The IOF lied.
- foopirata, on 03/17/2008, -4/+2Even if that was the case, I wonder what makes ICS believable and IDF not. But knowing your bias and disregard for due process, I guess it is a moot question.
- neocognitism, on 03/18/2008, -1/+3FUD delivered, and rejected. Thank you for playing! Come again!
- WaltDismal, on 03/17/2008, -3/+7All right, asshat, finally copies of the military orders have emerged into the light.
- yonoz, on 03/11/2008, -7/+11Once again, the dates are different, here's a news report about the Feb. 26th confiscation: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080226/ap_on_re_mi_ea ...
- yonoz, on 03/11/2008, -5/+11BWT the report you provided states the source of the information are the Palestinian news agencies, not Israeli newspapers.
- DreadPirate, on 03/11/2008, -5/+11Walt - I don't need to "summon" negative diggs - your asshattery is doing that just fine. Look at my profile. Unlike a lot of people here I don't hide my incoming or outgoing shouts.
And like Yonoz said, your report uses Palestinian news agencies - not a group known for their impartiality or dedication to the facts. There is no need to "suppress the truth" when there is no truth to be had in this story.- WaltDismal, on 03/12/2008, -6/+6I wasn't talking to you - unless you are another pseudonym for Yonoz or one of his crew. Reminds me, I still need to drive up to Digg offices and have a talk with them so we can get to the bottom of the Zionist lobby's use of multiple screennames, and resolve that interesting question of whether the IP addresses of Israeli posters are coming from government offices.
- DreadPirate, on 03/12/2008, -4/+7If you were not talking to me, then you will have to be clearer as to where you are directing insults in the future - your comment was a reply to mine, so it was natural for me to think what I did. And I am sick of you and Neo trying to say I am a shill account. I have been on digg longer than the vast majority of people here, so it would be rather difficult for me to shill for users that joined a year or more after I did.
- foopirata, on 03/17/2008, -2/+2"I still need to drive up to Digg offices and have a talk with them" - gee, who put Macho Oil (TM) in your oatmeal this morning?
Let us know how your drive and talk went, will you? Most interested in how quick they'll laugh at your paranoia and hopefully be kind enough to prove to you that that's what it is (followed of course by cries of "Digg is in cahoots with them! They've been infiltrated!")
That'll be fun.
- WaltDismal, on 03/11/2008, -11/+7The military holding order will appear in the March 2008 edition of the report from the Applied Research Institute ‐ Jerusalem (ATIJ). Here is an example of the February report.
- hmemcpy, on 03/10/2008, -10/+17And I assume you have a link to the documentation?
- InRussetShadows, on 03/10/2008, -16/+21SHOW ME THE DOCUMENTATION. Ahem.
- yellowcakewalk, on 03/10/2008, -21/+16The zionist interlopers are always bringing suffering to the residents of Hebron:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_Px5cJIyI- DreadPirate, on 03/10/2008, -12/+17Once again Yellow cannot actually address the topic at hand. Buried.
- zolthar, on 03/10/2008, -18/+17fake.
- MarkusGarvey, on 03/10/2008, -13/+16google pulled a ton of links to this story...
http://www.google.com/search?q=Israeli+troops+loot ...- DreadPirate, on 03/10/2008, -6/+20And yet not a single link a major news organization or even Associated Press story...
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -15/+8That will come, obviously this was covered by an independent journalist in the field. Once the outrage justifiably reaches their radar, they'll cover it. In the meantime, you should stop burying this and digging everyone down. You and your troupe really are outrageous to just claim this story is fake, when every indicator says it is not.
- neonominator, on 03/11/2008, -3/+6outrage first and factcheck whenever, its the neocakewalk way!!!!
- DreadPirate, on 03/10/2008, -6/+17I act in concert with nobody, so calling me part of a "troupe" is disingenuous at best. Your paranoid fantasies may have convinced you that that is the case, but it is not true. And "every indicator" must be that is the fact that it has shown up only on anti-israel and pro-palestine blogs, from what I can tell.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -11/+5By that logic everything from LGF is fake as well, and throw in the pallywood crap, any submissions by israeligirl or mediafag.
You're part of a troupe, DP, from everything I've seen.
Are you a Hagee follower, aka "Christian Zionist?" - DreadPirate, on 03/10/2008, -6/+12"By that logic everything from LGF is fake as well" Is that so? No matter the number of times they have linked to multiple sources, sources that have a track record of verified reporting - compared to a random site you dug up that no one else has heard of before.
"Are you a Hagee follower, aka "Christian Zionist?"" I am not. I am not a jew, I am not a christian, and I am not a muslim. I do not live in Israel, and have never been there. I will not fit into one of your little "group" classifications despite your best efforts. I am simply someone who has a difficult time supporting any group that sends suicide bombers into civilian markets.- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -9/+6I understand how you could have a difficult time supporting Hamas. One does not commonly get to choose one's enemies or how they act.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -9/+6I understand how you could have a difficult time supporting Hamas. One does not commonly get to choose one's enemies or how they act.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -11/+5By that logic everything from LGF is fake as well, and throw in the pallywood crap, any submissions by israeligirl or mediafag.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -15/+8That will come, obviously this was covered by an independent journalist in the field. Once the outrage justifiably reaches their radar, they'll cover it. In the meantime, you should stop burying this and digging everyone down. You and your troupe really are outrageous to just claim this story is fake, when every indicator says it is not.
- DreadPirate, on 03/10/2008, -6/+20And yet not a single link a major news organization or even Associated Press story...
- yeslovelife, on 03/10/2008, -16/+17wow more islamo-fasicst propaganda being spread by neocog. Give up. The truth will shine through your lie.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -13/+9Which "truth" is that israeliboy?
- yonoz, on 03/10/2008, -10/+13http://www.pmw.org.il/Libels.htm
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -13/+17Wow, the megaphone troupe is out in full force. Apparently you think it's okay to hate children. I actually expected as much. Wait until this gets picked up. Then I will be referring to each one of you as knowingly burying a story about thousands of orphans, but going ***** about a boy losing half a leg.
True true hate, true true anti-Arab belief, that they are lower than dogs, "cockroaches" as so many of you have referred to them.
Complete lack of morals and ethics on every one of you. I would say you should be ashamed of yourselves, but you have no shame.- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -10/+14Don't you think you should wait with the 2-minutes-of-hate until, as you say, "this gets picked up"?You know, by then you would have...credibility? For once in your life?
"Complete lack of morals and ethics on every one of you. I would say you should be ashamed of yourselves, but you have no shame." - more of the projection. Geez, it's a pathology with you.- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -11/+6Are you speaking English?
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -7/+8Is it too difficult for you?I can find someone to translate it to idiot-speak if you need it that bad.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -10/+6You really don't see how nonsensical your rants are?
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -6/+9No, it's probably only your own warped view of the world. Would you really like to seriously discuss nonsensical ranting? I mean, really?Do you think you're up to it?
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -10/+6How would we proceed?
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -5/+7You would promise not to slip into your childish mode where you play your play with nicknames and uses 4-word letters and thinks it is so smart to point grammar errors in non-english-speaking interlocutors, and properly address the points made against your allegations. And actually stand by it.
- neocognitism, on 03/11/2008, -9/+4So you're saying your name, foobutt, falls outside the guidelines you have just set? I find that a bit fratricidal to deny one's own name.
- foopirata, on 03/11/2008, -2/+5Wallow wallow, piggie piggie.
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -7/+8Is it too difficult for you?I can find someone to translate it to idiot-speak if you need it that bad.
- ad33lshahid, on 03/11/2008, -7/+6are you serious? are you really THAT far removed from the plight of the palestinians that you dont even feel any type of sorrow for their children? I remember a type of people that were so far removed from the plight of the people they condemned.. what were they called? oh yeah NAZIS
A Jew-Nazi, how ironic.
- neocognitism, on 03/10/2008, -11/+6Are you speaking English?
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -10/+14Don't you think you should wait with the 2-minutes-of-hate until, as you say, "this gets picked up"?You know, by then you would have...credibility? For once in your life?
- yellowcakewalk, on 03/10/2008, -15/+13So zionists, how is your trade in USA nuclear secrets going these days?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-dNjrVhc2U- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -8/+15So yellowcakewalk, how is your study of "what relevance is" going these days ?
- DreadPirate, on 03/11/2008, -8/+14Or his study in ignoring any responses to his comments. I haven't seen him respond to a single one in the last couple months. Too much of a coward, I guess.
- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -12/+7No, because your comments tend be FUD, and meant to intentionally derail or deflect a conversation. Just look at foobutt's comments on almost EVERY SINGLE ONE of everybody's comments. Is that with the intention of having a good debate? Even if it was, which it isn't, is that appropriate or conducive to a conversation for everyone? No it isn't. Your friends also do use shill accounts. Ask them.
- DreadPirate, on 03/12/2008, -6/+13*My* comments tend to be FUD? You're defending someone who intentionally posts off-topic links and comments on almost every story he finds, rather than actually posting stories on his own.
- foopirata, on 03/12/2008, -6/+12Assuming the child is referring to my comments, I would very much want to know how is it that responding to comments is supposed to stifle debate... oh. Now I remember. The child knows not what debate is. Hint:it is the back and forth of an adult exchange of points of view between people interested in challenging each others points. It is not name-calling and the liberal use of expletives. Class dismissed.
- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -11/+6Everything I do is an honorable and necessary defensive response to what you do. You initiate the FUD every time. Just like Israel and Palestine.
- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -9/+5Also foobutt and DP, why would I take you seriously when your group goes through all of my comments in every unrelated story I post in a buries them? It's the most childish act by far, and if done by an adult is a sign of sociopathy. You talk to your group and get the kid+shills who is doing it to stop, and you'll resuscitate your standing a bit.
That said, don't think it actually bothers me or has an effect -- it doesn't, other than lower the level of respect I have for you and therefore the level of energy I'm willing to put into deconstructing your disinformation. - foopirata, on 03/12/2008, -5/+8"You initiate the FUD every time" - i think that anyone seeing the articles you post and the level of your answers would easily ascertain that it is, indeed, the other way around.
"why would I take you seriously when your group goes through all of my comments in every unrelated story I post in a buries them?" - excuse me, but who is "your group" and how exactly do you know these people do be doing something specific?You know, once you put out a public face, you may consider that other people out there do not agree with your opinions - and therefore you get dugg down. If that offends you that much then perhaps you should go preach to the choir, where I am sure your hate will be well received amongst similar haters.
"That said, don't think it actually bothers me or has an effect" - yes....that would appear obvious, from your fixation with the theory.
"deconstructing your disinformation" - oh, please do. Your "deconstructing" is easier to shoot down than a Syrian MiG.- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -8/+5Nope, it's the way around that I said. I always respond to you. Everything I do is an honorable and necessary defensive response to what you do. You initiate the FUD every time. Just like Israel and Palestine.
I see you talking foobutt, and seemingly in response, but you never say anything. Really, I thought to myself that I really hope you must be a paid shill, because otherwise you'd be the most unintentionally worthless person on digg.
But I'm violating my rule of not feeding trolls. You keep doing this, jumping in when I'm talking with someone else, and I find myself suddenly talking to two of you and then just you. I do not ever wish to talk with you again, really, so why do you keep chasing me? We've already established I don't swing that way, foobutt, and I certainly don't want to hear your 911 truther / conspiracy theory rants. - foopirata, on 03/12/2008, -2/+6"I always respond to you. Everything I do is an honorable and necessary defensive response to what you do." - is it "honorable and necessary" to post defaming, unproven, unsubstantiated articles? Is it "honorable and necessary" to use expletives and low-language _every_time_ you're pushed into a corner of your own making? Is it "honorable and necessary" to answer with one liners of feigned misunderstanding at a very simpled yet carefully worded post? One would think not, and be correct at it.
"I see you talking foobutt, and seemingly in response, but you never say anything. " - just because you can't understand it, or act as you can't, doesn't mean there is nothing to be understood.
"Really, I thought to myself that I really hope you must be a paid shill, because otherwise you'd be the most unintentionally worthless person on digg." - is that "honorable and necessary" ?Is that "debate"?No, that is just you wearing your childish custom.
"I do not ever wish to talk with you again, really, so why do you keep chasing me?" - every time you keep lying, keep attacking without motive, keep criticizing without basis, you'll find me there. As to your wishes, what do I care about them?Just don't hit "reply" if you think you're such self-controlled.
"We've already established I don't swing that way, foobutt, and I certainly don't want to hear your 911 truther / conspiracy theory rants." - and there goes the "honorable and necessary" child again. Such a pity, such hate in such a small vessel.
En passant I find it interesting you did not address a single rebuttal to the "points" you tried to make earlier.Running from debate is not sticking for debate.
- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -8/+5Nope, it's the way around that I said. I always respond to you. Everything I do is an honorable and necessary defensive response to what you do. You initiate the FUD every time. Just like Israel and Palestine.
- yellowcakewalk, on 03/12/2008, -10/+8No Dread, unlike you I have a demanding job and family, and don't have the time to respond to every inane delusion that enters into your little mind. Hope you'll understand, but maybe not because the world looks much simpler to you kids that live in your momma's basement.
- DreadPirate, on 03/12/2008, -7/+12You have a "demanding job and family" that doesn't keep you from posting - just responding to previous posts you've made. Funny how that works.
- yellowcakewalk, on 03/12/2008, -9/+9Well you've got me there. Instead of spending time composing clever responses to foolish drivel, I tend to post information that might be of use to others, such as
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-dNjrVhc2U
See how it works? - DreadPirate, on 03/12/2008, -7/+10"I tend to post information that might be of use to others" Just like the inane comment about wiretapping you cut&pasted across six different stories this afternoon?
Also, I notice how this tactic conveniently lets you run from anyone who questions the validity of the sources you cite, as well as any one who proves you wrong.- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -9/+6DP,
So wait a minute. You're not a Zionist, or even Jewish, and you claim you aren't a follower of Hagee, or a Christian Zionist.
Then would you please explain how you arrived at your pro-Likudnic ultra-Zionist anti-Palestinian views? You're consistenly dugg up by the Ziontology crew, and they do not do that by accident.
Personally I don't see how you aren't a Zionist, which by itself isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Seriously, you want us to believe you're not a paid shill like the rest of these guys, then wax philosophic for a bit about yourself. Where the hell are you coming from? - DreadPirate, on 03/12/2008, -5/+11Neo,
You want to know where I am coming from? I grew up in a rather liberal college town, sharing many of the same views as you and Yellowcakewalk. Then I moved and started grad school in Boston, around the second of September, 2001. Things changed just a bit less than two weeks later.
Prior to that I didn't really care one way or the other about Muslims or the Middle East. Part of the liberalism I grew up with was the belief that you could believe what you want, as long as it did not interfere with anyone else. I still believe that. The group I hang out with includes buddists, wiccans, polygamists, bisexuals, and other groups I am sure you expect me to join the "christian" bandwagon and hate. Instead what I find is that some people's beliefs are beginning to seriously interfere with the normal functioning of society. With prime examples of Sharia law and the Mohammed cartoons. Wearing headscarves and the like is fine - killing your sisters or daughters for being seen unescorted with a male outside of the family is not.
As far as Palestine goes, despite the views you may project on me, I do not have a problem with the country as a whole. If they were to turn their energies from fighting with Israel to actually improving their own country, life would improve for both sides by a considerable margin. What I do have a problem with is those who waste their time, effort, and "charity money" on purchasing weapons and rockets to launch at Israel, as well as suicide bombs to use on civilians. I even wouldn't consider suicide bombers as much of a travesty if they were actually used on valid military targets, rather than markets full of civilians. Then we come to the groups who think that beheading a captive on TV is a valid form of "dialogue" with Israel and the west.
I do however think that a significant portion of the Muslim culture in certain areas has been handed over to the extremists (which I will acknowledge are a minority of the total Muslim population). Where else do you find children's shows teaching the children to hate another group? Then there is the fact that they demand more special treatment in non-muslim countries around the world than any other religion has been given, while denying other religions anything close to equivalent treatment in their countries.
Then there is the two-faced "dialogue" they often have with the western media. Time and time again we find them saying one thing in English to the west, and the complete opposite to their people in Arabic, not expecting our media to report their other comments. And unfortunately in many cases, their faith in the media is accurate.
However, before you start in complaining about I haven't yet talked about the negatives of Israel, I will agree that they are not the best government in the world. They have done some ugly things over the years, and have not always been in the right. I do however believe that they are closer to doing right much more often than their extremest neighbors.
I also look at what Israel have accomplished compared to their neighbors in the region, and am impressed. They have a better manufacturing base than most of the other countries nearby, and certainly a better respect for science and research. Muslims had a great respect for learning once upon a time, it is a shame that they have turned away from that in recent centuries.
So there, you have a (fairly) brief synopsis of where I stand on most of the topics you and I discuss. Care to reciprocate? - neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -7/+6Hmm. I didn't think you were going to give me that much of a bio. I do very much appreciate the thoughtful response.
I'm a scientist trained in chemical physics and practicing in the biomedical industry. I went to a liberal arts school on the East coast, and grad school in a couple different places -- very good schools. I speak Japanese and I have lived in Japan.
As to why this issue, I'm a humanitarian, and I believe in a government controlled by the people in an egalitarian fashion. Israel and American ultra-Zionists violate both of these beliefs strongly. Admittedly if Israel wasn't such a dominating influence in American life I wouldn't care about the Palestinian situation as much compared to other humanitarian disasters like Darfur. But dominate it does, and I am against the aid that my taxes pay for the continued colonization of Palestine, and how much the Israel Lobby influences the politics of America in every way. But the aspect I absolutely condemn is the utter silence with which this occurs, almost like it's a matter of national security. What I want is to see the Israel Lobby made fully public, and neutered. I want to see the Palestinian situation solved equitably and soon, so that peace can finally come to the Middle East. I want myself and everybody else to feel free to discuss Israel and the Israel Lobby whenever and wherever, without being called antisemites or anti-Israel people. I take the view that most of the rest of the world does -- Israel's government policies are the root of the continued clashes and eternal war. Do I see Iran as a problem? No I don't, and I think that if Israel made peace in the region Iran would be a fine neighbor.
I think Israel is a wonderful place, and always have. Even if I didn't, I'm a pragmatist, so I would never take a position that questioned the legitimacy of Israel as a sovereign country, because it already is one and a lot of people live there. I sympathize with a majority of the Israeli people who want to see peace for their country, and wish their government was not influenced by the wingnut religious extremists like the Likud or Shas, who cause all the problems.
I also have no problem with Islam, or Islamic countries. I think serious Islamists are very humble, observant people just like in Christianity, or Judaism. Moreso in some cases. Radicals are a part of every religion, and every country, and that there is not much different between the [suicide] bombing McVeighs of the world. Religious radicals can be worse, I admit. I find Hagee to be an incredibly blasphemous and dangerous man, who openly advocates Israeli security over American, and if I could pass a law barring him from uttering the words "Christ" and "Jesus" I would have a hard time holding back.
But I'm still confused how you always find yourself arguing for Israel the way you do. My reasons make total sense to me, and I can think of a history of how I was lead here to this point, which mostly matches my awareness of the problem.
- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -9/+6DP,
- yellowcakewalk, on 03/12/2008, -9/+9Well you've got me there. Instead of spending time composing clever responses to foolish drivel, I tend to post information that might be of use to others, such as
- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -12/+7No, because your comments tend be FUD, and meant to intentionally derail or deflect a conversation. Just look at foobutt's comments on almost EVERY SINGLE ONE of everybody's comments. Is that with the intention of having a good debate? Even if it was, which it isn't, is that appropriate or conducive to a conversation for everyone? No it isn't. Your friends also do use shill accounts. Ask them.
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -8/+15So yellowcakewalk, how is your study of "what relevance is" going these days ?
- yellowcakewalk, on 03/10/2008, -14/+11yes it is all over the place on the Internet
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics/browse ...
http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-pz9_h5g1bqUJGy33kEu ...
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message51 ...
and on and on if you use any search engine. Of course the zionist-controlled lamestream USA media would never think of covering zionist crimes.- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -5/+12Say, do you understand the concept of "circular reasoning"? One million sites all referencing the same exact original one doesn't really make for truth. Try to understand what independent verification means.
- DreadPirate, on 03/11/2008, -5/+12http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=israel+ ... - *1* link from what Google classifies as news sources - you only link to blogs and usenet postings. Not exactly "all over the place" when it comes to reputable sources.
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -5/+12Say, do you understand the concept of "circular reasoning"? One million sites all referencing the same exact original one doesn't really make for truth. Try to understand what independent verification means.
- yellowcakewalk, on 03/10/2008, -14/+13We haven't forgotten how the Israeli Occupation Forces murdered our American sister
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -10/+12Oh my oh my, that picture in no way makes any justice to her _real_ "American sister" face. Try this one instead, where she's burning your American flag like your good American sister.
http://www.omjp.org/Feb1503GazaReuters.jpg- ad33lshahid, on 03/11/2008, -11/+8because burning a flag is grounds for being killed. your ad hom rebuttals wont work here.
- foopirata, on 03/11/2008, -9/+11No, ya shahid (how's that working for you, btw?)- burning the American flag in a Gaza street just goes to show how "American"she thought herself.
- ad33lshahid, on 03/11/2008, -11/+6n addition to the killing of Rachel Corrie by the bulldozer driver, Israeli troops have shot and killed several other internationals in different incidents during the Intifada: German doctor Harald Fischer, Italian cameraman Rafaeli Ciriello, and British United Nations worker Iain Hook.
- foopirata, on 03/11/2008, -6/+13And Palestinian suicide bombers have killed scores of tourists in Israel of all nationalities. And kidnapped UN workers and international journalists.
Your point?
Mine is - don't stand in front of a bulldozer unless you're sure the driver can see you.- ad33lshahid, on 03/11/2008, -10/+6did u read the story before you started digging everyone down and making these statements? because it says in there that the bulldozer driver clearly saw her. since I actually like to read the articles before commenting, i'll let you in on the relevant portion:
"Witnesses say that Rachel was clearly visible to the bulldozer driver, and was doing nothing to provoke an attack." - international solidarity movement.- foopirata, on 03/11/2008, -6/+10Ever been in an armored D9 cabin? I happen to have had that experience. The driver looks thru a small slot in the front armor plate. Most of the maneuvering is done by having helpers from outside radio in.
Somehow I don't believe the ISM would have declared anything else.
- foopirata, on 03/11/2008, -6/+10Ever been in an armored D9 cabin? I happen to have had that experience. The driver looks thru a small slot in the front armor plate. Most of the maneuvering is done by having helpers from outside radio in.
- neocognitism, on 03/11/2008, -10/+6Foobutt, you do realize you're just helping this story with your sociopathic carpetbombing, don't you?
Thanks for not disappointing by behaving 100% Ziontologically. More people need to see your troupe for what they are.- foopirata, on 03/11/2008, -6/+10You see, neocognitism ?This is NOT how one promotes debate and discussion. This is you going into childish "I dont know what to say so you're ugly" mode. Believe you me, it looks worse on you than it ever might on any of your occasional interlocutors.
- neocognitism, on 03/11/2008, -11/+6Hmm. Would you once again try to use "interlocutors" in a sentence, please?
- urik88, on 03/11/2008, -2/+3Hmm. Would you once again try to evade topics that you don't like?
- foopirata, on 03/11/2008, -6/+10You see, neocognitism ?This is NOT how one promotes debate and discussion. This is you going into childish "I dont know what to say so you're ugly" mode. Believe you me, it looks worse on you than it ever might on any of your occasional interlocutors.
- ad33lshahid, on 03/11/2008, -10/+6did u read the story before you started digging everyone down and making these statements? because it says in there that the bulldozer driver clearly saw her. since I actually like to read the articles before commenting, i'll let you in on the relevant portion:
- foopirata, on 03/11/2008, -6/+13And Palestinian suicide bombers have killed scores of tourists in Israel of all nationalities. And kidnapped UN workers and international journalists.
- foopirata, on 03/10/2008, -10/+12Oh my oh my, that picture in no way makes any justice to her _real_ "American sister" face. Try this one instead, where she's burning your American flag like your good American sister.
- jabberwolf, on 03/11/2008, -8/+16YEAH the Israelis looted food from cafeteria because they are so underfed ??
And even though the palestineans dont have schools that hold more then a few hundred students... that orphanage fed "THOUSANDS ".
Maybe Hamas was using that to store weapons (as they normally do with Schools and hospitals ) so whenever any troops look, they are storming "innocent" schools and hospitals.
Pure palestinean propaganda. They strap kids with explosives, WTF do they care about children or life. They basically sacrafice kids for their own lies and damaged pride.- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -9/+5Provide a link to your evidence, or go spread your anti-Islam, anti-Arab hate somewhere else, Ziontologist.
- DreadPirate, on 03/11/2008, -9/+11For those who are claiming that there are "hundreds" of links to this story online, I have a search that they should look at. http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=israel+ ... . Look at that and see the SINGLE story about this "incident" from three days ago. In that time not a single other news source that google indexes has had anything to say about it. Considering how comprehensive Google is, I find that rather telling....
- MarkusGarvey, on 03/11/2008, -10/+6the MSM isn't gonna touch this with a 10' pole...here it is in a nutshell for you..
http://digg.com/politics/the_weight_Ed_Bradley_on_ ...
- MarkusGarvey, on 03/11/2008, -10/+6the MSM isn't gonna touch this with a 10' pole...here it is in a nutshell for you..
- urik88, on 03/11/2008, -9/+9Mmmh I will retract from making statements until some time passes and it gets more diffused. If by tomorrow ( now it is 00:30 in Argentina) it doesn't hit any popular media, then I will think that it's made up and probably bury it.
- MarkusGarvey, on 03/11/2008, -10/+7now really.....is it that hard to believe?...you are gonna base you opinion on weather the MSM picks it up?....why don't you just give your computer away and watch the Christian channels or Fox news for you information...
- urik88, on 03/11/2008, -4/+9MMh yes it's hard to believe that an army based on people that I lived amongst during almost 7 years would do that.
And yes excuse me for trusting more the MSM than some random website that no one knows, and gives no sources or proofs. Specially after the long history of Palestinian media manipulation.
- urik88, on 03/11/2008, -4/+9MMh yes it's hard to believe that an army based on people that I lived amongst during almost 7 years would do that.
- DreadPirate, on 03/11/2008, -6/+9Markus - how about if *anybody* else could confirm this? Not one new source of any kind since this showed up four days ago. As hmemcpy said, you would think someone had photographs of this happening, but not a single shred of proof has come forward from any source. Just because you want this to be true so you can bash Israel some more, doesn't mean it really happened.
- MarkusGarvey, on 03/11/2008, -10/+7now really.....is it that hard to believe?...you are gonna base you opinion on weather the MSM picks it up?....why don't you just give your computer away and watch the Christian channels or Fox news for you information...
- hmemcpy, on 03/11/2008, -5/+16*Hundreds* of soldiers *storm* a building, trucks and all, *loot* "millions of dollars" worth of children's underwear (for whatever reason), and quietly disappear into the horizon, all this without a single photo of the actual looting? A shaking video recorded on a cheap cellphone? Hell, even one smudged photo would at least make this look somewhat real.
But why bother, right? Hundreds of Israeli soldiers also did 9/11, caused hurricane Katrina and murdered JFK. Palestinians buy this propaganda hook, line and sinker. The Nazis used to do that, spread propaganda against the Jews. I guess not much changed since:
Nazi version: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/d/dd ...
Palestinian version: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/2/28 ...
But sure, I'm going to be buried and called a "Ziontologist" antisemite antigentile (which is like having a Kosher pig farm¹), or whatever forced meme is happened to be popular today. But I'm going to go ahead and use the one feature of Digg which seems most appropriate for this article - Bury as inaccurate.
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¹ Robin Williams, from Man of the Year- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -8/+5Jesus, hmemcopy, I didn't think you were a 911 truther like yonoz and foobutt. Please don't bring up your conspiracy theories here. Soon every single one of your shill accounts will be a conspiracy theorist! But I'm glad it's coming you. Your paranoia is legendary.
- hmemcpy, on 03/12/2008, -2/+29/11 truther? Boy, you are bonkers. I'm pretty sure a bunch of ***** up muslims did 9/11.
- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -8/+5Jesus, hmemcopy, I didn't think you were a 911 truther like yonoz and foobutt. Please don't bring up your conspiracy theories here. Soon every single one of your shill accounts will be a conspiracy theorist! But I'm glad it's coming you. Your paranoia is legendary.
- zolthar, on 03/11/2008, -6/+11Conclusion after 1 day:
Israeli left wing scene is bigger, stronger, louder and have much more huztpa then in most countries, and their sources are more reliable.
If there was any truth in this, they would confirm this report.
But nothing after one day.
Fake, propaganda, a lesson to everyone about the tabloid level junk flooding the so called alternative news. - neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -9/+10I just emailed the author. We'll see what happens. If I don't hear anything I'll call him in a day.
What is the time difference from Illinois to Israel?- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -8/+4Hmmm email returned.
Now I tried emailing an org. that has published a recent article of his. see what happens this time.
I don't have international service, anybody else want to try the number on his bio in my comment above? - neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -8/+4I think this is coverage of the same event. "Hamas-connection" was claimed by the IOF.
http://windowintopalestine.blogspot.com/2008/03/is ...
- neocognitism, on 03/12/2008, -8/+4Hmmm email returned.
- hadees, on 03/13/2008, -5/+7I just wanted to point out to everyone that even Al Jazeera isn't running this story so I highly question the authenticity.
- IslamicScholars, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Aljazeera is not the only news source, i highly doubt they can cover everything. that doesn't really ill validate the authenticity just for that
- IslamicScholars, on 04/17/2008, -0/+1Last article will help explain somethings as well
http://islamic-s.webs.com
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