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Le Monde: "Zionist Nationalist MYTH of Enforced EXILE" !!!

mondediplo.com — Israel deliberately FAKES its history. Israeli historian suggests the Diaspora was the result, not of EXPULSION, but of PROSELYTISING in Africa, Europe and M-East. NO Exodus from Egypt. Masada FRAUD. Bible is a a theological work reflecting Jewish beliefs and NOT an Historical document! International conflict with disreputable Zionist archaeology!

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RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -3/+16Zionist nationalist myth of enforced exile
Israel deliberately forgets its history
An Israeli historian suggests the diaspora was the consequence, not of the expulsion of the Hebrews from Palestine, but of proselytising across north Africa, southern Europe and the Middle East
By Schlomo Sand
Sept 2008

TFA
during the 1980s an earthquake shook these founding myths. The discoveries made by the “new archaeology” discredited a great exodus in the 13th century BC. Moses could not have led the Hebrews out of Egypt into the Promised Land, for the good reason that the latter was Egyptian territory at the time. And there is no trace of either a slave revolt against the pharaonic empire or of a sudden conquest of Canaan by outsiders.

Nor is there any trace or memory of the magnificent kingdom of David and Solomon. Recent discoveries point to the existence, at the time, of two small kingdoms: Israel, the more powerful, and Judah, the future Judea. The general population of Judah did not go into 6th century BC exile: only its political and intellectual elite were forced to settle in Babylon. This decisive encounter with Persian religion gave birth to Jewish monotheism.

Then there is the question of the exile of 70 AD. There has been no real research into this turning point in Jewish history, the cause of the diaspora. And for a simple reason: the Romans never exiled any nation from anywhere on the eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. Apart from enslaved prisoners, the population of Judea continued to live on their lands, even after the destruction of the second temple. Some converted to Christianity in the 4th century, while the majority embraced Islam during the 7th century Arab conquest.
.. La Monde
- RightHand, on 09/06/2008, -1/+1July 30, 2008 at 01:17:50
  It's time to stop picking at the holocaust scab.
  http://www.opednews.com/articles/It-s-time-to-stop ...
  by John Haigh
  www.opednews.com
  
  It never occurred to me to question the accuracy 6 million as being the number who died. I had a few minor thoughts about why the number hadn't been refined over time. Were they saying the range 5.51 to 6.5 million? I kept a vague, but untroubled, watch for an extra decimal place to appear from 1962 until 1992 when a German guy I was talking to said that he had been taught it was 2 million in school in Germany. Sure!!! But then he said that was also the figure in The Holocaust Museum in Israel for many years. Huh?
  
  In the 1970s I moved to larger cities and met people who told me they were Jewish. The first few times they talked about the holocaust I was eager to get the inside story. I was glad that they, more accurately their parents, had escaped. But I never learned anything new beyond the name of some obscure relative who was lost.
  
  One time I naively asked, "Why don't you just get over it? The Gypsies went through the same thing and they don't keep bringing it up."
  
  The answer was very interesting.
  
  "It was different for the Gypsies. They were just trash that the Nazis wanted to get rid of; but they hated us."
  
  Me, "Trash?"
  
  The Jewish lady, "Yeah, rubbish. They weren't any good for anything, they had diseases, they committed crimes. The Nazis just wanted them out of the way. But we were cultured and the Nazis hated us just because we were Jews."
  
  "Have you ever thought about how the Jews could have played it differently so that you didn't get persecuted over and over again, in country after country, down through the centuries?"
  
  Immediate angry replies, "We never did anything wrong."
  
  Me, "I didn't say you did. But the results were appalling. Didn't you guys ever think some strategy change could give you less disastrous outcomes?"
  
  "The persecutors were always evil. We were always innocent and good."
  
  These were highly intelligent people who regularly held witty and insightful conversations on a broad range of subjects. I dropped it right there and drifted away from that group.
RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -3/+11The Masada Myth: Collective Memory and Mythmaking in Israel By Nachman Ben-Yehuda Published by Univ of Wisconsin Press, 1996 ISBN 0299148343, 9780299148348 401 pages
http://books.google.ie/books?id=YoXUXvBUUjgC&dq=Po ...
TFA
Israeli sociologist Ben-Yehuda tracks the process by which Masada became an ideological symbol for the State of Israel, a shrine venerated by generations of Zionists and IDF soldiers, and the most profitable tourist attraction in modern Israel. He describes how after nearly 1800 years, the long complex and unsubstantiated narrative of a Romanized Jew, Josephus Flavius, was edited and augmented in the twentieth century to form a simple and powerful myth of heroism. Ben-Yehuda looks at the ways this new mythical narrative of Masada was created, promoted, and maintained by pre-state Jewish underground organizations, the Israeli army, archaeological teams, mass media, youth movements, textbooks, the tourist industry, and the arts. Usually a ritual trek through the desert followed by a climb to the fortress, how it changed over from a Zionist pilgrimage to a tourist destination. He draws upon theories of collective memory and myth-making to analyse its crucial role in the nation

More details
The Masada Myth: Collective Memory and Mythmaking in Israel
By Nachman Ben-Yehuda
Published by Univ of Wisconsin Press, 1996
ISBN 0299148343, 9780299148348
401 pages
RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -3/+9***Symbol for Bush visit to Zionist: Masada, Fraud and Myth
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/2ED0974F-0A2E-4FBB-A ...
How ironic that the symbol of the Bush presidency will be his visit to Masada, a fraud and myth knowingly perpetuated by the government of Israel that will turn his presidency into a total fiasco and make America party to the fraud and corruption! ! !
My Tags:- myth Israel history archaeology fraud @ClipMarks Jewish.myth-making Masada Exodus Zionist disreputable Roman
RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -3/+10Bush likely to make symbolic visit to Masada, avoiding contentious sites. Bush, accompanied by PM Olmert, would visit the ancient mountaintop fortress where Jewish rebels made their last stand against Roman legionnaires.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?ite ...
Organizers of Bush's planned 2.5-day stay said they had been searching for a symbolic location for the president to visit, but wanted to avoid one that might stir controversy like the Western Wall, Golan Heights or Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron.

So they went for broke and brought Bush to the biggest best known FRAUD and KNOWN MYTH in Zionland !!!

Well, they argued, it cannot be worse than his presidency !!!
RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -3/+7Clipmarks
2-11-2008 7:17 PM
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Such an obvious fake. Basic blunder that an amateur schoolboy wouldn't make. Just another in a series of fakes.

"On January 16, 2008, excavator Eilat Mazar announced that a team she is leading south of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem had uncovered an inscribed seal that dated to the time of Nehemiah. She read the name on the seal as “Temech” (tav, mem and het) and suggested that it belonged to the family of that name mentioned in the Book of Nehemiah. Soon after the announcement, however, European scholar Peter van der Veen suggested that Mazar had erred by reading the inscription straight on rather than backward, to account for the fact that a seal creates a mirror image when i...
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Such an obvious fake. Basic blunder that an amateur schoolboy wouldn't make. Just another in a series of fakes.

"On January 16, 2008, excavator Eilat Mazar announced that a team she is leading south of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem had uncovered an inscribed seal that dated to the time of Nehemiah. She read the name on the seal as “Temech” (tav, mem and het) and suggested that it belonged to the family of that name mentioned in the Book of Nehemiah. Soon after the announcement, however, European scholar Peter van der Veen suggested that Mazar had erred by reading the inscription straight on rather than backward, to account for the fact that a seal creates a mirror image when it used to inscribe a piece of clay. He and other critics suggested that the seal actually bears four letters (shin, lamed, mem and tav) and that the correct reading is “Shlomit,” which itself may be a name mentioned in the Bible. Mazar has now acknowledged that the seal should indeed be read as “Shlomit.” Her comments and those of two of her critics can be found here; we invite other experts to share their viewpoints with us."

http://www.clipmarks.com/clipmark/81E2A3A8-5C67-41 ...

erred by reading the inscription straight on rather than backward, to account for the fact that a seal creates a mirror image when it used to inscribe a piece of clay
- RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -1/+3Feb 4, 2008 20:26 | Updated Feb 5, 2008 17:14
  Archeologist revises read of ancient seal inscription
  By ETGAR LEFKOVITS
  http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JP ...
  TFA
  The 2,500 year-old black stone seal was found last month amid stratified layers of debris in the excavation under way just outside the Old City walls near the Dung Gate, said archeologist Dr. Eilat Mazar, who is leading the dig.
  
  Mazar had originally read the name on the seal as "Temech," and suggested that it belonged to the family of that name mentioned in the Book of Nehemiah.
  
  But after the find was first reported in The Jerusalem Post, various epigraphers around the world said Mazar had erred by reading the inscription on the seal straight on (from right to left) rather than backwards (from left to right), as a result of the fact that a seal creates a mirror image when used to inscribe a piece of clay.
  
  The critics, including the European scholar Peter van der Veen, as well as the epigrapher Ryan Byrne, co-director of the Tel Dan excavations, suggested in Internet blogs that the correct reading of the seal is actually "Shlomit," also a biblical name.
  
  Mazar said Monday that she accepted the reading of "Shlomit" on the ancient seal, and added that she appreciated the scholarly research on the issue.
  ... JPost
  
  IMPORTANT FRAUD UNCOVERED BY NON-ZIONIST
angusm, on 09/03/2008, -5/+4The headline suggests that this is from "Le Monde", which is a broadly center-right daily. It's actually from "Le Monde Diplomatique", which is fortnightly (if I remember correctly) and a very different kind of newspaper. "LMD" has some very in-depth coverage of foreign affairs, often dealing with obscure corners of the world. It's an interesting read, but it also has a very strong leftward slant. No edition is complete without a few articles devoted to enumerating the sins of "neo-liberalism" (i.e. American capitalism), and many of the contributors tend to be 'old left' French academics, some of whom appear to be unreconstructed Marxists. (One left-wing French journalist I met went so far as to describe the typical contributor to "LMD" as "Stalinist").

Their articles are always interesting, but it's worth remembering where their bias lies and taking anything they say with the appropriate number of grains of salt.
- RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -3/+7After plenty of hot air to show the writer isn't filled totally with hot air also
  "where their bias lies and taking anything they say with the appropriate number of grains of salt" without giving any argument or evidence for this jump in logic from hot air and apparent reasonableness to "bias lies".
  
  Is this one of those contributors that judges TRUTH as to either it is right-wing fascist truth, left-wing socialist truth, or just pain old fashioned truth, left or right. This truth was written by an Israeli author, an expert, neither left nor right. A Jew-hater?
  - brightlight4, on 09/03/2008, -0/+5There are always those who only read that which comes from the sources that they believe in and nothing more, and this is a typical case!!! What difference where the information comes from if it has been well investigated first and contrasted too!!!
  - RightHand, on 09/04/2008, -2/+2@Brightlight4
    "There are always those who only read that which comes from the sources that they believe in and nothing more, and this is a typical case!!!"
    
    This isn't a case of someone digging about in dirt and finding some 'treasure' although it would be more forgiveable if it were. Experts are not meant to jump out of the bath and scream "eureka" Archimedes- like - except they are in the Zionist pay theses days. The evidence is so scare on/in the ground that there is HUGE pressure on the supposed expert archaeologist to produce 'evidence' no matter how dubious. The error here was of mammoth proportions. A school child would not have committed such a serious blunder.
    
    Another disreputable Zionist archaeologist supposedly produced a find just in time for the Jerusalem celebrations. The timing was so opportune that it should have been doubted. The outside world now accepts nothing coming from Israel. Guilty until proven innocent is the norm even if the experts don't say so.
    
    Your other "what difference where the information comes from if it has been well investigated first and contrasted too!!!" makes no sense to me. Did you read what I wrote? Or what you wrote?
RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -2/+8MagnesZionist --- No, Rivkele, The Jews Weren't Driven into Exile by the Romans. most lay people, Jews and non-Jews, accept the myth of the exile, whereas no historian, Jew or non-Jew, takes it seriously.
http://themagneszionist.blogspot.com/2007/07/no-ri ... TFA
This post will look at the disconnect between popular and scholarly belief and try to examine the origin of the myth several centuries after the event occurred. I will follow pretty closely the first part of a comprehensive article on the subject by Hebrew University professor, Yisrael Yuval, which is available here . Because this article is under copyright, I can’t quote more than a few passages, and so I will just be paraphrasing him. But I urge you to read the article, especially his copious footnotes.

The myth was not invented by the Zionists, although it was greatly used by them, in part, to justify the return of the Jews to their ancestral homeland. For the tacit assumption of the Zionists was that if the Jews had left the land willingly, if they had merely “emigrated” because they found opportunities beckoning in the Diaspora, then they would have betrayed their allegiance to the land, and their return would have been less justified. That is one of the reasons why Zionists argued for years that the Palestinians left Palestine of their own free will – if they were forcibly expelled, then somehow their claim to the land would be stronger. Of course, the putative expulsion by the Romans was not the only claim of the Jewish people to the land – many peoples have been exiled from their lands, and the Zionists were not claiming that all of them had a right to return -- but it dovetailed nicely with the historical view of the wandering Jew that finds no rest outside of his native place from which he was expelled.
RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -3/+7Last update - 22:18 06/07/2007
History Erased
By Meron Rapoport
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/878851.html LFA

This was not the only Muslim holy place destroyed after Israel's War of Independence. According to a book by Dr. Meron Benvenisti, of the 160 mosques in the Palestinian villages incorporated into Israel under the armistice agreements, fewer than 40 are still standing. What is unusual about the case of Mash'had Nabi Hussein is that the demolition is documented, and direct responsibility was taken by none other than the GOC Southern Command at the time, an officer named Moshe Dayan. The documentation shows that the holy site was blown up deliberately, as part of a broader operation that included at least two additional mosques, one in Yavneh and the other in Ashdod.
... Ha'aretz
RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -2/+6http://www.bib-arch.org/debates/
Scholars Debate “Jezebel" Seal

Even before it went to press, Marjo Korpel’s recent BAR article, “Fit for a Queen: Jezebel’s Royal Seal,” made a splash. Professor Korpel’s bold identification of a seal with the infamous Biblical Jezebel—a claim based on a reconstruction of the artifact—elicited a major critical furor.

Israel Antiquities Authority vs. Conspiracy of (Alleged) Forgers

“The forgery trial of the century” is reaching a climax. Will the case collapse? Why has it taken so long? Why has the Israeli government not called so many of the people on its witness list? Hershel Shanks explains where the trial stands; experts with insight into the case are invited to comment.

Seal Controversy: From Temech to Shlomit

Although a recently found seal apparently does not belong to the Biblical figure that excavator Eilat Mazar at first suggested, it now seems that it bears another name known from the Bible.

“Jesus Tomb” Controversy Erupts—Again

Claims that the family tomb of Jesus has been found in the East Talpiot section of Jerusalem have sparked bitter debate for a second time.
RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -3/+6Robert Deutsch to Mazar: Reverse Your Reading!
January 30, 2008
http://www.bib-arch.org/debates/seal-controversy-0 ...
TFA
The reading of personal seals is as clear as the moon in the sky.

In general, a seal’s letters are incised retrograde: once the seal is impressed in soft clay it will leave a straight mirror-image, right-to-left inscription (all West-Semitic scripts are written from right-to-left).

Mazar’s seal is no different. If you look at the seal, you will see four—not three—very clear mirror-image letters that run, from left-to-right, SLMT, “Shlomit.”

This is based on two diagnostic letters which have an inclination to the left, the letters lamed and mem. The other two letters, the shin and the taw, are vertical and not indicative.

The first mistake made by Mazar was to read it from right-to-left as one would read a seal impression (a bulla).

The second mistake is the misreading of the two letters shin and lamed as one single letter het.

So she reads SL as H—and reads it incorrectly from right-to-left, as HMT: “Temech.” She then elaborates on the connection of this name to Biblical figures.

This is a very poor interpretation and could have been avoided by showing it to an epigrapher.

An error such as this is fine as a “working hypothesis,” but Mazar should listen to her colleagues and change her reading.
RightHand, on 09/03/2008, -3/+7Archaeological Digs Stoke Conflict in Jerusalem. Compared to the Israelis, the US neocons are neophytes when it comes to reshaping the past. Israel has long funded major archaeological projects intended to emphasize the Jewish presence in Palestine
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080818/hoffman LTA
Zionists minimizing or even denying the presence of others in the region, an attempt to demonstrate that Jews have a historical legitimacy that Arab inhabitants lack. Israel has had an official historical creation myth that it has promoted that alternately saw Palestine as largely depopulated in 1948 or voluntarily vacated by its Arab inhabitants. Golda Meir famously stated that there was no such thing as the Palestinians. It is only recently that Israeli historians have begun to describe how the Arabs were subjected to a deliberate policy of terrorism by Israel's founders that drove them from their homes.
- bernk1, on 09/06/2008, -1/+1Hi there RightHand.
  
  Deja vu all over again. You posted the same "Father of Lies" comment about something similar a few days. (Cut and paste is great, isn't it?) And here comes pretty much the same answer:
  
  What the hell are you talking about? There are plenty of museums in Israel that deal with the presence of Arabs and Muslims in that land mass. (And Christians too.)
  
  And now, the special bonus for you, a link to many Jew-devil -- ooops. I mean Zionist Mafia -- oooops. Umm, I mean Israeli museums. Heck, there are even some that deal with precisely what you oh-so-laden with circumlocution refer to as "Zionists minimizing or even denying the presence of others in the region, an attempt to demonstrate that Jews have a historical legitimacy that Arab inhabitants lack." Here you go, RightHand, just for you. Check out this link:
  
  http://www.ilmuseums.com/
  
  "The Father of Lies" indeed!
  
  Please come up with another bit of Irish slang. I liked "sleeveen" [a complex expression. It implies rural unsophistication. At the same time it implies slyness, untrustworthiness, and obviously slippery character]
  and will try to incorporate that into my vocabulary.
  
  Yours in sleeveenery,
  
  Bernk1
monsieurginger, on 09/04/2008, -4/+5There are two major problems that just shatter this article.
First, it is against Jewish tradition to try to proselytize. There is no reason according to Jewish belief to try to convert people.
Second, there have been genetic tests that prove that Ashkenazi Jews are closer genetically to the Mizrachi Jews than the Arabs were to their Jewish neighbor.
- n0gnuz, on 09/06/2008, -2/+11. "Against tradition" does not imply that large numbers of Jews throughout history have not done it. Look up the Jewish origins of a religion called "Christianity." They have a book called "The New Testament" featuring a highly-organized, highly-active, all-Jewish missionary movement that apparently drew huge crowds of interested followers.
  
  2. FTA: "Until about 1960 the complex origins of the Jewish people were more or less reluctantly acknowledged by Zionist historiography. But thereafter they were marginalised and finally erased from Israeli public memory. The Israeli forces who seized Jerusalem in 1967 believed themselves to be the direct descendents of the mythic kingdom of David rather than – God forbid – of Berber warriors or Khazar horsemen. The Jews claimed to constitute a specific ethnic group that had returned to Jerusalem, its capital, from 2,000 years of exile and wandering. This monolithic, linear edifice is supposed to be supported by biology as well as history. Since the 1970s supposedly scientific research, carried out in Israel, has desperately striven to demonstrate that Jews throughout the world are closely genetically related."
  
  Article still intact.
  - monsieurginger, on 09/06/2008, -0/+3"1. "Against tradition" does not imply that large numbers of Jews throughout history have not done it. Look up the Jewish origins of a religion called "Christianity." They have a book called "The New Testament" featuring a highly-organized, highly-active, all-Jewish missionary movement that apparently drew huge crowds of interested followers."
    Logic fails you.
    
    "
    2. FTA: "Until about 1960 the complex origins of the Jewish people were more or less reluctantly acknowledged by Zionist historiography. But thereafter they were marginalised and finally erased from Israeli public memory. The Israeli forces who seized Jerusalem in 1967 believed themselves to be the direct descendents of the mythic kingdom of David rather than – God forbid – of Berber warriors or Khazar horsemen. The Jews claimed to constitute a specific ethnic group that had returned to Jerusalem, its capital, from 2,000 years of exile and wandering. This monolithic, linear edifice is supposed to be supported by biology as well as history. Since the 1970s supposedly scientific research, carried out in Israel, has desperately striven to demonstrate that Jews throughout the world are closely genetically related.""
    He brings no sources to support his statement. What about the research done outside of Israel?
    
    Anyway, genetics don't lie.
RightHand, on 09/04/2008, -4/+4@ monsieurginger
"There are two major problems that just shatter this article."

There is far far more points to this article than two. IF two were 'problems' that would not make the other main points invalid or untrue. Apparently up until very recently you believed in the myths of Masada, the Exodus etc and only now concede that the public version is not true. Yet you know that Jews didn't proselytise back then because you believe that they don't now. And this interpretation of proselytising makes all this Jew's article invalid, according to your logic???

Could you either withdraw your nonsensical argument or produce a major improvement in it. I've no wish to engage in discussion with an intellectual light weight.
- monsieurginger, on 09/04/2008, -1/+3"There is far far more points to this article than two. IF two were 'problems' that would not make the other main points invalid or untrue. Apparently up until very recently you believed in the myths of Masada, the Exodus etc and only now concede that the public version is not true. Yet you know that Jews didn't proselytise back then because you believe that they don't now. And this interpretation of proselytising makes all this Jew's article invalid, according to your logic???"
  
  First, I didn't bother to argue against every point he made because why bother when you can just debunk his two major points that are crucial for the other points.
  
  Second, this article changes nothing on what I believe about the events described in the Bible. You don't even know what I believe.
  
  Third, the reason for proselytizing in Islam (and in Christianity as well I think) comes from their respective scriptures/bibles/holy books. Islam and Christianity are "world religions". Judaism isn't and never was a "world religion" because it teaches that the Jewish people have a special relationship* with God. It doesn't say that they should make everyone do like themselves. And Tanakh reflects the beliefs of the Ancient Hebrew/Israelites.
  *Don't comment to me about how Jews think that they are better than everyone. I've already responded to you about this several time on other threads. Jews don't think that they are racially superior because they believe that they have a special relationship with God. According to Jewish belief, the Torah was given to the Jews(hence "chosen people") because they were few, hence Torah won't be spread by sheer numbers, but by merit. All people show at least some ethnocentricity. But the Jews never used ethnocentricity as a reason to murder others.
peacepower, on 09/04/2008, -3/+8Very interesting discussion. Whatever the historical truth, it was bound to cause conflict to give the entire state to the Zionists, who then went about driving the existing landowners away by terrorism. As the years have gone by, with US and other international aid, the Jews have further squeezed the native Palestinians off their farms and grazing lands and essentially put most of them on reservations, as the US did to its native peoples. Any resistance was met by overwhelming force and further tightening of boundaries,more immigrant settlements, etc. How could the Palestinians not be unhappy and explosively angry, living in ghettos fenced in and guarded by soldiers?
- bernk1, on 09/06/2008, -1/+2The "entire state" was not "given" to the Zionists. Jordan (which Churchill said was created with the stroke of a pen) was part of Palestine (Transjordan). Cut that off from Cisjordan (west of the Jordan River) and 2/3 of Palestine was removed from the "clutches" of the Zionists. There was a partition plan, which the Yishuv (the Jews of Palestine) accepted, even though it was less than what they desired. The Arabs (the only people that called themselves 'Palestinians' were the Yishuv) rejected this. MAYBE 1/4 of Palestine went to the Zionists, and that included what was captured during the 1948 war.
  
  Look at "A History of Zionism" by Walter Laqueur for more info.
roosevans, on 09/04/2008, -2/+5How ironic that in all probability, among the Palestinian Arabs, exist the true descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
- n0gnuz, on 09/06/2008, -1/+3Zionist extremists are taking care of that little dilemma as we speak....
RightHand, on 09/04/2008, -2/+7@Roosevans
"How ironic that in all probability, among the Palestinian Arabs, exist the true descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!"

Speaking genetically, this is for sure. Certainly not the European stock that claim 'chosen'. So the true 'chosen' are denied citizenship in their own land, disposed by the interloper with their false claim and false history. It's no wonder that they must do such metal gymnastic with logic to produce their complicated apartheid segregation citizenship laws that discriminate so badly against the native in favour of the interloper but claim democracy to placate its pay master the USA.
RightHand, on 09/04/2008, -2/+4The looting and destruction of Iraq's ancient sites. All of this wealth of archaeological treasures must of course annoy Israel.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/163432-The-looti ... TFA
Israel, while rich in antiquities, is almost totally devoid of artefacts from this supposedly glorious time in her history. The existence of the fabled First Temple was supported with just two artefacts, a carved staff ornament in the shape of a pomegranate and the Jehoash tablet. Both of these artifacts have been exposed as frauds. We are told that once there was a magnificent temple on that hill, but it "all went away." The wonders emerging from the soil of Egypt, Iraq, and Iran serve as a constant reminder that ancient buildings of such a scale as we are told the First Temple was simply do not vanish without a trace.

The writers of the ancient testaments assumed that the people they were telling stories to had no way to verify the claims for themselves. So "embellishment" was a low-risk activity.

We do know from the available archaeological evidence that the Exodus probably actually happened to the Hyksos, not the Israelites.
...sott
RightHand, on 09/04/2008, -2/+4The evidence just keeps on coming, straight out of the ground of the Zionist myths...

The Father of Lies. Compared to the Israelis, the US neocons are neophytes when it comes to reshaping the past. Israel has long funded major archaeological projects intended to emphasize the Jewish presence in Palestine
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid= ... TFA
Zionists minimizing or even denying the presence of others in the region, an attempt to demonstrate that Jews have a historical legitimacy that Arab inhabitants lack. Israel has had an official historical creation myth that it has promoted that alternately saw Palestine as largely depopulated in 1948 or voluntarily vacated by its Arab inhabitants. Golda Meir famously stated that there was no such thing as the Palestinians.

It is only recently that Israeli historians have begun to describe how the Arabs were, subjected to a deliberate policy of terrorism by Israel's founders that drove them from their homes.
... AntiWar

My Tags:- Jewish.myth-making archaeology disreputable Masada history Arab deliberate policy Zionist terrorism ZionistTerroristAtrocity Nakba 1948 Israel lies
- bernk1, on 09/06/2008, -2/+1Hi there RightHand. How many times are you going to post this same thing?
  
  Deja vu all over again. You posted the same "Father of Lies" comment about something similar a few days. (Cut and paste is great, isn't it?) And here comes pretty much the same answer:
  
  What the hell are you talking about? There are plenty of museums in Israel that deal with the presence of Arabs and Muslims in that land mass. (And Christians too.)
  
  And now, the special bonus for you, a link to many Jew-devil -- ooops. I mean Zionist Mafia -- oooops. Umm, I mean Israeli museums. Heck, there are even some that deal with precisely what you oh-so-laden with circumlocution refer to as "Zionists minimizing or even denying the presence of others in the region, an attempt to demonstrate that Jews have a historical legitimacy that Arab inhabitants lack." Here you go, RightHand, just for you. Check out this link:
  
  http://www.ilmuseums.com/
  
  "The Father of Lies" indeed!
  
  Please come up with another bit of Irish slang. I liked "sleeveen" [a complex expression. It implies rural unsophistication. At the same time it implies slyness, untrustworthiness, and obviously slippery character]
  and will try to incorporate that into my vocabulary.
  
  Yours in sleeveenery,
  
  Bernk1
brashley46, on 09/06/2008, -0/+5Righthand shouts to me: ""Have you ever thought about how the Jews could have played it differently so that you didn't get persecuted over and over again, in country after country, down through the centuries?""

First off, I'm not Jewish, although my ex-wife and our son are. Secondly, this question assumes there was one central Jewish authority in the diaspora! Didn't exist, no matter how one thinks the diaspora existed. (I personally think there was likely a large Khazar element in the Ashkenazim; the ex is very nearly insulted by the idea.)

A fairly concise Marxist analysis of the phenomenon can be found in Avram Leon's booklet "The Jewish Question - A Marxist Interpretation", which the old SWP in the US published many years ago. Leon was a young Polish Jew who became a Belgian resistance leader, was betrayed to the Germans and died in Auschwitz. http://www.marxists.de/religion/leon/
RightHand, on 09/06/2008, -1/+2@ brashley46
You must be even more of a newbie on Digg than I. You would only be getting a shout from me because your are on my friends' list. There was nothing personal in my remark to you.

The remark is a quote from an article that you can find if you follow the post. Not mine, but very very interesting if you make an interest in the Zionist-myth-making.

We are mutual friends meaning one of us was a fan of the other first. I cannot tell being such a newbie myself, but I've no reason for changing our status. Clipmarks.com and Delicious is where I mostly hang out.
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