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L Ron Hubbard Plagiarized Scientology

boingboing.net — "Evidence that L. Rob Hubbard plagiarized Scientology from a 1934 German book called "Scientologie." The text seems to map to various hoo-haw from the cult's official doctrine, too."

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  • an0nymous, on 02/27/2008, -9/+570Lies! Planted by Xenu to make you doubt!
    • fluidfoundation, on 02/27/2008, -2/+162I found a bean that looks like The Leader! I'll just add him in with the other Leader Beans.
    • trispear, on 02/27/2008, -74/+22You know what is sad, people gobble this hatred of Scientology up while they plan on attending a church, synogogue, or Mosque soon. What is the difference?

      All the established religions started out the same way. I knew Islam was BS as soon as I started reading some Koran verses that were supposedly the "word of god" which Muhammad blatantly made up to serve his own ego (such as God will not look kindly on you if you marry one of the prophet's wives after his death -- even though he himself married many widows) and crap like that. Just read the wikipedia entry on him closely and follow the links and see what a joke it is.

      Or Christianity. Jesus, like Gandhi, had a good message if he existed in some ways. But how does any church claim moral authority when it descends from the Roman church -- itself in the earliest days of power killing off entire Gnostic Christian villages (gnostics were notoriously religiously tolerant and open minded) because of Religious disputes. And if you want to say someone copied religion, just watch the first part of Zeitgeist:

      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422 ...

      (Part 1 only. The facts can be verified. The rest of that 9/11 truther stuff I don't agree with although they make good points but ruin it by inaccuracies.)

      And lets not get into the old Testament and the brutality espoused there.

      How can we all make fun of scientology when all these other supposedly "benevolent" organizations stay, just due to their age and nothing else? Screw all organized religions and the ignorance they espouse in favor of fairy tales to control us.
      • trispear, on 02/27/2008, -25/+7Dammit, I didn't want the link to the full movie of Zeitgeist territory where it goes into wackjob territory, but just part one:
        http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5216975979 ...
      • CoolWind, on 02/27/2008, -14/+4You're right. All religions are fairy tales. Our lives are also fairy tales based on delusions. How else can everyone on Earth think they are smarter than the President of the US? How else can you find your soul mate from among billions of people and fall in love together? Think about it.
      • darienphoenix, on 02/28/2008, -10/+15Buried for thinking Zeitgeist is at all credible.
        • trispear, on 02/28/2008, -13/+5Can you level any credible evidence against the religion part? Just because one thing is wrong does not invalidate everything.
          • cyberdork, on 02/28/2008, -2/+4Well, first you should give any evidence FOR the religion part. You will have a hard time finding facts to back up any of their claims. Believe me I tried.
            I watched the first 15mins of the movie and was just amazed. Then I started to search for some of their 'facts' and couldn't find anything to support them. My conclusion is that most of the stuff they mention is pulled straight out of their asses.
        • trispear, on 02/28/2008, -6/+13Oh, by the way, the one who leveled the Sun Deity charge at the Christian faith was Thomas Paine. You know, the guy they teach you about in high school and college. The one who wrote Rights of Man, and influenced the Constitution heavily.

          I guess he's not credible either:

          http://books.google.com/books?id=ADsPAAAAYAAJ
          "The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally paid to the sun" - Thomas Paine 1737-1809
      • LeeSoong, on 02/28/2008, -24/+7Scientology is just as legitimate as Hebrews, Christians, and Muslims.

        • drachemorder, on 02/28/2008, -13/+2Eh ... two outta three ain't bad.
          • gwolf, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7Your bigotry is why I have a problem with organized religion. It's just the mask you wear to hide the hate and discontent that is your true face.
          • pseudononymist, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2You're right--what went so wrong with Christianity?
            wink
      • joker10687, on 02/28/2008, -3/+11wow you changed my life "trispear"... thank you!

      • WaltDismal, on 02/28/2008, -4/+17Well said, trispear! You must be a Scientology OT8 at the very least. All those other religions that don't charge $300,000 to reach the top level are bunk! All bunk! That stupid Jesus Christ and that moron Buddha, what a pack of lamers compared to L. Ron and his pal Dave Miscavige. I have to go now and audit my hamster. I want him to be the world's first Clear hamster.
      • TranAnon, on 02/28/2008, -0/+0Your logic fails, I believe all religion is bad for society. The fact that you call yourself a religion automatically brands you an enemy of mine; the fact that you are not a religion, but in fact, a murderous, thieving cult makes you the bane of all reasonable and compassionate humanity. It makes your destruction at the same time necessary and inevitable. It makes your leaders the target of bitter hatred for their greed, and the public ridicule, not unlike being tarred and feathered in America's early history, will continue.

        Your crimes against humanity have caught the attention of the very group with the power to do something about it. And so it shall be.
    • RobotCitizen, on 02/28/2008, -2/+67The difference is you could walk into any church, synagogue, mosque or temple, express sincere interest, and get taught everything you could possibly want to know about that religion's theology without paying a dime to anyone.

      The Bible, The Torah, The Quran, The Gitas and The Sutras are not "protected trade secret scriptures" (a phrase that does my head in every time I think of it.)
      • trispear, on 02/28/2008, -29/+3Yes, and? To "truly understand" the scripture, you are made to go to church every Sunday, encouraged to go to bible study (no preacher is certainly go say you learned all about Christianity just from reading the bible) and there is peer pressure to tithe/donate to the church as well as from authority. And that is just Christianity. To say these religions are free or without cost is missing the point (and the huge buildings they can afford to erect).

        Why should fairy tales be given tax exemption status?

        I could certainly also claim that you can learn all about scientology from cheap second hand books just like all the religions you mention.
        • Hartman27, on 02/28/2008, -0/+22Dude tithing is helping pay for the life of the pastors and most get paid average if not lower average middle class wage. Don't let the large "churches" on your tv let you think that all preachers, priests, and rabbis are rolling in the money.

          Now if you just think that churches are nothing but entertainment filling peoples minds with good feelings but no substance and don't deserve a tax exemption then by your own rules neither does Disneyland. That is if you are saying that church are just entertainment

          Just a thought.
        • Logicexe, on 02/28/2008, -1/+8Wait, Disneyland gets a tax exemption?
        • MisteryMeat, on 02/28/2008, -6/+2Yes, tithing is "optional" if you don't mind burning in a lake of fire for all of eternity. Also, the New Testament tells us to sell ALL of our belongings to give to the poor if you wish to enter heaven. Chipping in a few bucks every week just is not enough.

          See you all in hell.
        • cornswalled, on 02/28/2008, -1/+3The thing is, most pastors don't even know who the major contributors are to their churches, and most churches are supported by a handful of wealthy parishioners, with most other parishioners donating a few bucks a month if that.

          Tithing is between you and God

          In every Church I've ever attended "Tithing" meant giving to whatever charity you believe is doing God's work, not just the church you're attending.

          What's more, most Christians realize that there are multiple, valid denominations. Some folks argue about which denominations are "real" Christians but by and large if you go from one Church to another you're not declared "fair game". Ask the average Church of Scientology member what they think of "Free Zone" Scientology (The Scientology version of protestants)

          You don't need to pay to be confirmed. You don't need to cough up cash for salvation.
        • MisteryMeat, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Please people, I know how tithing works. They put pressure on you by passing a offering plate around with people watching you on both sides of the isles, plus anyone attending can see whether you donate or not. Often more than once. They could just have some drop box somewhere for people to anonymously donate but that would not work as well, would it? I've never attended a church that did not regularly have sermons about tithing either - 10% minimum if you are a true Christian.

          And since I'm getting dug down for my previous comment about giving all possessions away, here is what Jesus has to say about it:
          http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2 ...
          • cornswalled, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1What kind of Church do you attend that people are leering at you when the plate is passed around? You either go to a crummy church full of judgmental social climbers or you're really paranoid about people watching your every move. I'd make a joke about tinfoil hats or your fear of your phone being tapped, but that's too easy.

            Most people who donate do so one a month. Most churches have services every Sunday and many on Wednesdays. Then there are the Catholics who usually have DAILY mass. No one expects you to donate EVERY TIME the plate is passed around and most people won't care if you don't put a donation envelope in the plate.

            You're trying to create the illusion of peer pressure that doesn't exist. You clearly have an ax to grind with Christianity but the way you're grinding it is making you look like a jackass.

            I suggest you focus on specif issues instead of making blanket statements. If, for example, you attacked the "Prosperity Gospel" claims made by the pastors of mega-churches, you'd find yourself on much firmer ground with a lot more people happy to back you up.
          • MisteryMeat, on 02/29/2008, -1/+1So you are telling me that when they pass plates around you feel zero obligation to fill it? I think you missed the point. Why cut into church services for this unless it is to put some amount of pressure on you? Why hold entire sermons about tithing now and then?

            You didn't mention anything about giving up all your possessions. Just pretend that the Luke 18 doesn't exist and concentrate on the verses which appeal to you like all good modern Christians.

            The reason you DON'T have an ax to grind with Christianity is because you don't know enough about it.
      • Skooma714, on 02/28/2008, -1/+21Heck, I run into a bunch of old Asian ladies that CAN'T WAIT to give you Bibles and pamphlets.
      • coustoe, on 02/28/2008, -6/+4Actually, you can't convert to Judaism/become a jew.

        Also you do pay, as in 10% tithe or collection plate.

        This is why I don't practice organized religion. Now a Real religion would charge nothing expect nothing and teach their wisdom out of the goodness of their hearts you know kinda like what budhha and jesus did.
        • takmad, on 02/28/2008, -0/+8You don't "pay a tithe". A believer choses to give back to God what He has given us, out of of gratitude and thanks.
          • Cerebral, on 02/28/2008, -2/+3Actually in the Old Testament (the before Christ half), the tithe was in fact a payment to give back 10% to God as it was HIS 10%, not yours. Only in the New Testament is where it was stated that God does not want you to tythe because you must but because you WANT to out of adoration for God and everything he has given us. It's just a shame that every Christian church I have ever been to disregards this statement from the New Testament because they realize that they would never get paid etc.
          • coustoe, on 02/28/2008, -0/+310% is a lot of money, how bout a flat rate of $49.99 a month. thats how much my gym cost and I go there more then once a week.
        • LeeSoong, on 02/28/2008, -1/+1Anyone can become a Jew, there are no racial restrictions to Jewishness.
          • coustoe, on 02/29/2008, -0/+1you cant convert to judaism you can only become a jew if your adopted.
        • soulwon, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Esther 8:17 ....... And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
        • soulwon, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Also read Romans it talks about becoming a Jew through adoption and circumcision of the heart(spirit) instead of the flesh(law).
    • futureb, on 02/28/2008, -18/+14you read one verse of the quran and Wikipedia, and you know all of Islam is BS? wow. are you some sort of prophet yourself? or just an idiot...
      • trispear, on 02/28/2008, -7/+13You can't even read my post properly and yet here you criticize my reading skills?
      • futureb, on 02/28/2008, -11/+10no, not your reading skills, your intelligence. islam is a 1500 year old religion. if you think you can pick up a quran, read a few passages about the prophet's wives, "follow the links in wikipedia", and then somehow pass judgment on the religion as a whole, then you're an idiot. that's what i was saying.
        • TuxedosRevenge, on 02/28/2008, -2/+7Uh, want to point out where he passed judgement on anything aside from Scientology?
          • futureb, on 02/28/2008, -8/+13"I knew Islam was BS..." "...see what a joke it is". i'm not a religious person, but this is the sort of crap that pisses me off. little internet kids running around claiming an entire religion is BS when the whole of their experience is an anecdote & wikipedia. i'm pretty sure scientology is ridiculous though. :)
          • trispear, on 02/28/2008, -8/+8@futureb,

            I see how it is. There was once a saying "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." But I guess it doesn't apply to any religions who drape themselves with the armor of faith. Don't dare question the dogma with the same intensity as anything else. Better to stay ignorant than piss off the storytellers.

            But yes, Islam is 1500 years old. So what? The only difference between that and scientology is that scientology is still in the early, "cult" phase all world religions were in once. Egyptianism and the religions of the Ancient Greeks, Romans, and the Far East are older still. Does that make them even more profound or untouchable?
          • trispear, on 02/28/2008, -10/+6I see someone keeps consistently digging me down to 0 within 30 seconds of my posts. Too fast to read my comments and doesn't leave a name. Coward that doesn't want to face the truth nor has the balls to reply I guess.
          • Pro28, on 02/28/2008, -6/+3Quit yer bitchin'
    • orlandorays, on 02/28/2008, -0/+22Actually Scientology is the lie planted by Xenu, who possessed L. Ron Hubbard to combat psychiatry, which was freeing the Body Thetans from their enslavement. Now he possesses Tom Cruise, who must be committed and given mental health treatment in order to destroy Xenu and ensure our future freedom.
      • LeeSoong, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Well, has anyone ever asked Lord Xenu his side of the story ?

        After all - if billions of subjects were plotting to overthrow Lord Xenu and create chaos,
        do you think he would just stand by and let the Terrorists Win?

        They were all blown up by nuclear volcanoes because they Hate Our Freedom.

        Now the fallen ones denounce the loyal followers of Lord Xenu.

        VOTE XENU 2008!

        http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/Xenu ...
        Ya, his collar's popped! Check it - Xenu's new hair cut.

        ( Xenu, the endorsed leader of the galactic confederation party.
        This message paid for by the Xenu for President of the Universe group. )
    • XopherMV, on 02/28/2008, -0/+23If Scientology is plagiarized from an older work, then their copyrights are likely unenforceable.
      • amoirae, on 02/28/2008, -4/+2So what? It's STILL plagiarized.
        • Fordi, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7See the point?

          Oh, wait. No you don't. You missed it.
      • cornswalled, on 02/28/2008, -1/+3If Scientology really is some sort of cosmic truth, then wouldn't people WANT it spread far and wide, without regard for copyright? If it were "truth" wouldn't Hubbard have dedicated the book to the public domain or at least allowed royalty free redistribution under the right circumstances?

        Last I checked the Apostles weren't too worried about copyright and royalties when THEY were preaching. Neither was Muhammad for that matter, or Buddha.
    • StarlessKnight, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Lies, damn lies, and plagiarism.
    • slightlygifted, on 02/28/2008, -4/+6hilarious how everyone says christianity is better than scientology because you dont have to pay for it. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/RomanCatholic ...
      not only did you have to pay most of what you got to the catholic church, but you also had to be catholic or die back then. at least with scientology you have a choice. how do people still believe in this religion when for a thousand years the church was so corrupt. who knows what verses they could of put in or taken out of the bible?
      • Fordi, on 02/28/2008, -1/+4Being the 'best' of all religions is like being valedictorian of summer school. Basically, you're doing it wrong.
        • Cerebral, on 02/28/2008, -1/+2Dugg because I was almost valedictorian of summer school.
      • cornswalled, on 02/28/2008, -1/+3Sorry chuck, I'm Babptist. You can grouse all you want about Catholics, none of it applies to me.

        For the record, I'm one of the Church elders and only 10% of the parishioners contribute more than $20 a month. We don't grouse about it. If we need extra money for building improvements or something similar, we have a bake sale.
      • anoynymause, on 02/28/2008, -1/+0What, four hundred years ago when there was no such thing as human rights and ***** life-quality was a standard among the working people and not the Kings? Why not try and defend why Scientology forces one to pay about 385,000$ to access OT VIII, instead of attacking other religions?
        Oh, that's right. Hubbard said to Attack, never defend. It would be unfaithful if you even tried to defend! And even so, it would be rather feeble an attempt considering that most of Scientology's practices are unethical, illegal, and based off a man who frequently used drugs, was suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, and who was in all a criminal.
  • starkey1, on 02/27/2008, -2/+117Here is a link to the web-based version of Scientologie
    http://www.scientologie.org/english.htm
    • hueyha, on 02/28/2008, -0/+7That only has the first two chapters online. Anyone feel like typing up the rest for gutenberg? ; )
    • LeeSoong, on 02/28/2008, -6/+3So, Dr. Anastasius Nordenholz approaches a classic concept of religion / philosophy / metaphysics:

      Is consciousness something that exists outside the Universe,
      or is awareness simply an end result illusion created by the biochemical
      and energy processes of the brain?


      Dr. Nordenholz asserts that indeed, primordial 'beingness' exists outside of this Universe, and that consciousness acts as both the creator of and perceiver of reality, sensing the creation:

      " The Beingness-by-itself, the free, undetached beingness is a factor outside the 'playground' of our world - in a broader sense outside of 'the physically measurable'. "

      Some belief systems do not believe the 'Self' or 'Soul' exist - they are illusions created by the limitations of capturing all-beingness in a limited human form. The illusion of self is born from the short comings of the human animal form, and vanish upon death.
      There is no self. (there is no spoon).


      Within the construct of limited time-space, an 'immortal soul' can exist - if it is defined as the Life-Path-History of any object in the known universe:

      Ghandi lived a life that is known to many, his life history and his huge impact on the world is well known.
      But little known is the rock upon which the first life crawled upon, out of the great oceans.
      But that rock played just as an important part to Life in the universe as did Ghandi.
      And of equal importance is the super-nova stars that created the iron in all of our blood, that helps the hemoglobin carry the oxygen that feeds each and every one of the cells in all of our bodies. And all of our life energies come from our sun, Sol.


      Seeing the Soul as the Action-Path taken by any object within time-space is valid,
      and individual objectifying of 'things' is just a limitation of the human imagination - as All of the universe is One universe. The universe may be devolving in energy but evolving in intelligence.


      If consciousness DOES exist separate from the matter-energy form, separate from biology, how could you test it ? How to test in this universe that which exists outside of the universe?

      Spirits, Gods, or Energy Beings from other dimensions, what is the experiment to demonstrate they exist?

      So Dr. Anastasius Nordenholz study of consciousness is a belief,
      a form of a religion. NOT a Science, if it can not be tested and repeatedly verified.

      Modern day Scientology is also a belief based system - without a way to experimentally test the existence of consciousness separate from material substance - there is no scientific way to prove the existence of '' Beingness '' outside of the Universe.

      I have a belief that something '' More '' exists than just matter and energy - based upon observation:
      What is the weird feeling people get when someone they love or a close blood relative is harmed or in trouble,
      even if the other person is hundreds of miles away?

      I am often surprised by the high level of awareness in other creatures - people, animals, even insects.
      They know when you are looking at them, and the odd feeling you get when you know you are being observed by someone else, and you turn around and sure enough - someone was looking at you! What is this 'extra-sensory perception' ?

      Is the awareness of observation evidence of consciousness touching consciousness outside the scope of the physical world?

      Are all creatures, even all matter and energy so intertwined from before the big-bang, that the whole universe, the stars, planets, and all life on them is merely an illusion created by the limitations of or perceptual organs and linear perception of time?


      These are noble questions indeed - but how to scientifically experiment with 'trans-dimentional' awareness separate from religious belief ?
      • jjmckay, on 02/28/2008, -1/+2Nice post. This is well beyond the normal scope of Diggers, IMO.

        I have an answer to your question. Go within consciousness and find out for yourself. If you are one with consciousness, then you have the answer now, it's just buried under all the mind created layers of complexity, of thought. Underneath thought, there is being, of which thought knows nothing. Interested more in this direction I'm going? I highly recommend Eckhart Tolle's book 'The Power of Now.' He talks about this subject in great detail as well as the human condition which is to unconsciously deny and resist our true nature. Try torrent for the audiobook version.
        • LeeSoong, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Thank you.
          I found the audio book on iTunes and the book on Amazon:
          http://www.amazon.com/Power-Now-Guide-Spiritual-En ...

          I also find the writings of the Buddha very interesting...

          As consciousness captured in human form - one wonders how different the universe appears to a consciousness taking form in a star, a tree, or a dolphin - the different perception of time and space would be amazing...
      • Triachus, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1So (dragging you back into the conversation), what exactly are the metaphysical implications of fartron hubbard's complete lack of ethics? GTFO sciencetologist.
        • LeeSoong, on 02/28/2008, -1/+1If you really, really discovered a way to make anyone more powerful, wealthy, and a super leader in the world - what would you do?

          If it is Real - and anyone who follows it becomes a 'superman' or woman, you probably would want to be very careful with all that power.

          You might even charge money for it to restrict access to the most powerful forms, and for many people - they would be denied the knowledge at ANY price - because the world does not need more powerful evil people.

          Super powerful minds see through the lies religions and governments create to manipulate and control the minds of people.

          That is the real reason Germany FEARS Scientology - they can not control it.
          Scientologists are well aware of how Germany is manipulating the E.U, gaining advantage of the other states for it's own benefit. That is why there is so much debate about E.U. laws, and the progress of the E.U. is slow - unlike American's who don't care when their whole country is being robbed by a handful of people and corporations, E.U. members become keenly aware of the corruption and slanted laws that would tip the balance of power to one country farmers or industry, or require harmful restrictions on the shipping or production of another country.

          Germany has every reason to be afraid, they are very right in their view Scientology will not submit to their autocratic control.

          If anything, it's people's hostile reaction that confirms the power held in Scientology.

          There have been studies suggesting that the observer - even not touching or interacting with the observed experiment - actually impact the outcome of the experiments with their thoughts.

          How could that be possible? My only idea is that the observed physical dimensions are not ALL of the dimensions coming into play during the experiment. Physicists talk about a multitude of dimensions that we can not perceive, but mathematically they should exist.

          Perhaps our technology is unable to directly observe or test events beyond
          the scope of space-time, but maybe 'extra-dimensional' events create some
          measurable effect on something in our space-time?


          Do you ever wonder why governments are spending HUGE amounts of time and money to build super colliders - why are they so very, very interested in creating the initial conditions of the big bang ?

          What is so important about the tiny particles / waves - making up the electrons, protons and neutrons of matter?

          Do you have any idea what they are really looking for - not the story they are telling you - but the technology they want to build based off of this new science?

          Do you really believe they are spending all those resources to humor a few physics professors at Universities?
    • TheOneTrueGod, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2"Some belief systems do not believe the 'Self' or 'Soul' exist - they are illusions created by the limitations of capturing all-beingness in a limited human form. The illusion of self is born from the short comings of the human animal form, and vanish upon death."

      I heard that before. And I always wondered: If they believe that the self is only an illusion - who the ***** is experiencing that illusion?
      • LeeSoong, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Ah, now you are starting to ''ask the right questions'' ...

        If you are the Cosmos, everything and all-time - how can you know anything when you ARE Everything?

        To observe, you need to create a point of reference . . .
        • TheOneTrueGod, on 03/04/2008, -0/+1I dugg you up.

          In the months to come, you will begin to find your comment extremely funny.
    • TubzyX, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3Scientologie.org was sued/or threatened to be sued by CO$ in 1996! http://www.scientologie.org/light.htm read MOAR.
  • phaseblue, on 02/27/2008, -4/+312Just visited the site and saw their comments system message, "Warning: Anonymous messages are held for moderation." A second later I realized they meant people without an account...
    • anononon, on 02/27/2008, -44/+9LOLWUT?
    • buhbyebot, on 02/28/2008, -1/+4Haha. Anonymous. Gotta leave a message in his honor.
    • MusicalGenius, on 02/28/2008, -1/+3Sorry to abuse the comment system but this is my perfect chance.

      Someone PLEASE tell me more about this.

      So I read a LOT of crap about Scientology on her with the last vid of Anonymous. Thought: interesting...hmm So I read up about it on the MANY wiki pages :) BUT here is my problem. I found about 3 things I HATED about Sci. but weren't very...criminal? BUT I also found many instances where there are stories of people with HORRIBLE things done to their lives but then again... stories, not very hard evidence or video. Though one very nice TIME article.

      Now, I'm NOT defending them and I didn't doubt the stories really. Think of it like a courtroom, I didn't find a whole lot of HARD proof that I could show someone. I always say that the worst thing about Democrats is that though they often got some good things right they are HORRIBLE at convincing Republicans to agree with them. They only convince other Dems to hate Bush more, for instance.

      My point is I want to know more about the things Scientologists do that is wrong. I see bad things but in the video I saw I VERY MUCH agreed with something from Anonymous. (Paraphrased: Anyone can believe in their religion as it is their free right, but the actions are 'something something bad' etc) I agree STRONGLY with this. I don't think a Scientologist is bad for what they believe. But if the religion is telling them to do certain things which are I would want to know... or if they are doing cult things to people etc.

      So if you read my ramblings(Thank you) PLEASE tell me simply the basics of what they are DOING which is bad. I want to KNOW for myself and I also want(if I know) to be able to show the truth to others. Anyone willing to give me a simple low down?
      • Plewt, on 02/28/2008, -0/+4http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
      • coolmos, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1http://www.exscn.net Former Scientologists share their thoughts and tell what it is like. Chilling stories about forced abortions, child abuse, child slave labor, brainwashing, etc.
      • kukiweed, on 02/28/2008, -0/+0Digg is not really the place to ask that, you should post your question at the enturbulation forum (forums.enturbulation.org), it's somewhat of an anonymous official forum.
    • quraid, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2i would love to help except that i really doubt that the soultourch of justice and truth you are you have been simply unable to find anything about plagarisology. google it. people have compiled tons of hard evidences. this cult has been convicted in the past of many malpractices. if you were serious about your drive, you would have easily found what you wanted by now.
      seriously, if you really are not a shill, just google it. or goto xenutv.
  • fluidfoundation, on 02/27/2008, -2/+105What's the old saying? "Good artists create, great artists steal, then figure out how to make money off of it and trick others into doing the same, until some people take it way out of proportion while you just sit back and laugh from beyond the grave?"

    May not be word for word.
    • stonewaljacksn, on 02/27/2008, -1/+21I've always had the feeling that Scientology felt like a hijacking of aspects of Freud's psychology and Jung's psychology. Looking at these scans and seeing "Individuation" in it, which is one of the core concepts of C.G. Jung's psychology, pretty much proves to me that I was on the right track in believing this. The thing is, people like Jung were insistent that all systems not be made into some dogmatic religion (as almost any psychology is prone t becoming). L. Ron Hubbard tried to make himself into a god by stealing the concepts of psychology, throwing some retarded myth story in there, and turning it all into a religion. He is evil for doing this.
      • LeeSoong, on 02/28/2008, -0/+4Concepts similar to Scientology are found in Hindu and Buddhist, and Jesuit beliefs, but they generally wont charge you thousands of dollars to join, or by the hour for 'sessions'.

        But ah, Lord Xenu is unique to Scientology.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

        (as long as you don't think about the Devil, or Death, or Shiva, etc etc etc multiply the all powerful trouble maker in what ever belief system you are familiar with...)
    • warrenterr, on 02/27/2008, -0/+11Picasso said that I don't think he had plagiarism in mind when he said that; he meant stealing as in a smart way of copying someone else. And we clearly know that scientology is retarded and not smart.
    • smrekar, on 02/28/2008, -0/+4Are you saying that this is a "Ready-made" Religion?
    • bfrank72, on 02/28/2008, -0/+8It's not like Hubbard cared about Scientology. As Urban Dictionary says: "Scientology- Founded by L. Ron Hubbard as a way to scheme money and make a fast buck off his books. One of the 'holiest' days in this religion is Hubbard's birthday."
    • tamareesoeres, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1I'm not sure "Artist" is the word.
  • Triachus, on 02/27/2008, -8/+58FAILron and his merry band of scientologists are living a lie. Their lives are now rendered completely meaningless. More so.
    • stonewaljacksn, on 02/27/2008, -25/+5actually they are involved in scientology because it gives their lives meaning. kinda like how you you trying to question other people's meanings is where you find your meaning. that being said, scientology sucks, but ur comment is fairly dick-ish, and the fact that you are dugg up says something about diggers in general.
      (prepares to be stampeded by the herd)
      • Clumber, on 02/27/2008, -0/+9re: stonewaljacksn "...because it gives their lives meaning. kinda like how you you trying to question other people's meanings is where you find your meaning."
        Dude, I *swear* I have tried repeatedly to follow this, but my head keeps exploding trying to keep up with all the meanings to understand the meaning of your meaning.
        And *****, it isn't even close to Friday yet....
        • stonewaljacksn, on 02/28/2008, -2/+2Life, is meaningless. No ONE TRUE GOD to follow or anything. Nobody is right, but nobody is wrong either in what they put their faith in. Therefore, you can essentially apply any meaning you want to your life and not be "wrong". If it makes you feel good, fine, go with it, even if it seems retarded to other people. As long as it gives YOUR life meaning. Now, if you are going around having to be a ***** telling people their lives are meaningless, then you most likely have problems discovering or creating your own meaningful worldview. That is of course, unless you believe your purpose is to tell everyone who doesnt think like you that their lives are meaningless. Then you are just a spiteful dick.
          • drachemorder, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3"Life, is meaningless. No ONE TRUE GOD to follow or anything."

            You know, your namesake would have strenuously disagreed with you on that point.
          • WaltDismal, on 02/28/2008, -4/+2But there is one true god, **Me**. I am a modern god, and post on Digg to spread My gospel to the people. And by a deal I made with Steve Jobs, soon my Word shall be spread by iPod and IPhone, through iTunes. And if you don't believe in Me, your life is meaningless. Soon to be a major movie starring Brad Pitt as Me. Angelina Jolie as Mary Magdalen. John Cleese and Eric Idle as my Apostles. Buy tickets or fry in hell.
        • str1fe, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3"unless you believe your purpose is to tell everyone who doesnt think like you that their lives are meaningless"

          That seems to be what you're doing right now. Does that make you a spiteful dick?
      • Nitesmoke, on 02/27/2008, -2/+6"they are involved in scientology because it gives their lives meaning"
        Thats retarded, life has no "meaning" you're born, you eat, you *****, you *****, you die. If you need Scientology to give your life meaning, you might as well shoot yourself in the face.
      • headphonz, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3You don't get it. Most people wouldn't think twice about these guys EXCEPT for all the harassment, condemnation, and other shady crap they do to anyone who tries to leave or criticize their cult. Plus the fact you have to 'pay to play' with them. That isn't a religion but I still wouldn't care what they did as long as they left their critics and former followers ALONE!
      • Fordi, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2I can't speak for GPP, but I don't find meaning in questioning others' beliefs. I do find meaning in helping people learn to be rational thinkers. Subtle difference, I know.
    • diagonalfish, on 02/27/2008, -1/+11Ummmm... you know L. Ron Hubbard is dead, right?
      • WNW3, on 02/28/2008, -2/+7That's okay, L. Rob Hubbard is alive and happy.
      • DforSpiD, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Sure, and next you'll tell me Elvis is Dead
        • chuzwuzza, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Elvis is not dead, he just went home.
        • Fordi, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Nah. I seen him the other day. He's at the Domain of the King Bar and Grille.
    • Xephyr, on 02/28/2008, -5/+5He didn't exactly FAIL, you know? He was much more prosperous and wealthy than you'll ever be. Not that I like him or anything, I reckon he's a *****, but he didn't fail.
      • coolmos, on 02/28/2008, -1/+1He's still dead. I'm not.
        That's some mighty fail for Lafayette Ron, right? Mind over matter and all that?
        Following any delusional system of beliefs is nuts as it is, but if you also give them your life, time and money? It doesn't get any nuttier.
  • rebotfc, on 02/27/2008, -3/+216Does this mean Scientologists' copywright claims are infact fallicious and all the cases they have pursued to destroy their enemys should be made void!?
    • flipmeat, on 02/27/2008, -30/+5I am appropriating the non-word 'fallicious' for a new web site involving attractive ladies and banana peels. BRB.
      'copyright claims are in fact fallacious', 'enemies', not 'made void', 'are invalid'. (/grammarnazi)
    • Drkgodess, on 02/27/2008, -0/+26Funny story....Scientology's Copyrights in the UK, Canada, and New Zealand have recently expired and have yet to be renewed! So...Someone should pick them up and use them against the cult, cause that would be hilarious!
    • TheOneTrueGod, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Would indeed totally rule if this could be made into a "prior art" case. Most of Scientology's lawyer-power would crumble to nothing. All they would be left with: The "religious freedom" thing - until someone realizes that Scientology is all about money which can be proven by taking it away - the religion closes down. Do that to Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism - nothing happens.
  • unicronband, on 02/27/2008, -6/+49http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=3& ...

    Direct link. C'mon guys, are we really linking straight to boingboing now?
    • MacEnvy, on 02/27/2008, -7/+9Boing Boing, as usual, provides useful analysis and perspective on the link in question. It's nice to link to the original post until you realize it's just a random Internet forum. I think the Boing Boing submission was quite appropriate in this case. Plus, having a forum like that on the front page of digg often makes it go down, whereas BB can handle the traffic.
      /Devil's Advocate
      • bobburn, on 02/27/2008, -2/+12wtf are you talking about? Boing boing put the link up and said *nothing* about it. Analysis? Perspective? It just served as a middle man for the link--come on.
      • Wartyboskfapped, on 02/27/2008, -4/+7BoingBoing is full of people with an overwhelming self-regard, and a platform for Doctorow to promote his crappy scifi books.
    • dn11, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3boingboing deserves a plug every once in a while - sine they are the ones that dig up a lot of the interesting stuff that makes it to the front page in the first place
    • akira117, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Why would I submit a forum that would never handle the traffic?
      And there were a ton of pictures on that link too, making it even more impossible for that forum to survive.
  • DeviantDragon, on 02/27/2008, -11/+280Bad things Germany has turned out:

    1. World War I
    2. World War II
    3. Scientology
    • Berkana, on 02/27/2008, -2/+104At least they're making amends; Germany has banned Scientologists from holding public office because of their awareness of how the Church of Scientology keeps trying to infiltrate governments.

      France has been infiltrated. http://digg.com/world_news/Scientology_Above_the_l ...
      In court cases against them, documents will mysteriously and conveniently disappear, strange letters forfeiting the cases will be forged, break-ins happen where they shouldn't be able to, etc. Basically, they're carrying out Operation Snow White (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_snow_white ) in every country where they have a presence.
      • DCB360, on 04/11/2008, -0/+13They also have strict hate speech laws.
      • noseeme, on 02/27/2008, -4/+31Yeah, the Germany of today is really great about this kind of thing. Unlike the Japanese they FULLY own up to the unsavoury behaviour in WW1 and WW2. They're open, and they accept responsibility.
        • Berkana, on 02/27/2008, -4/+12Someone dugg you down. I'm willing to bet he or she is Japanese.
        • fussbucket, on 02/27/2008, -3/+3"The Japanese? Those sandal-wearing goldfish tenders?" - Mr. Burns Sr.
        • stevealford, on 02/27/2008, -2/+19The Japanese are making amends as well: They're currently exporting massive amounts of Anime, wasabe, oversized toy cars with psychedelic paintjobs/unnecessary spoilers/non-functional sidevents, and sexually unsatisfied women with tighter vaginas than western women.

          I, for one, applaud them for at least making an effort.
    • randersontt, on 02/27/2008, -14/+6you forgot saurkraut.
      • MrTulip, on 02/27/2008, -2/+5kassler mit sau*e*rkraut und klößen, du vollnazi
      • dkruta, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7***** you, sauerkraut is excellent.
      • MusicalGenius, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1I'm voting against it too I guess.. Although Germany has some great food. I haven't been to much of the country. I have had some great food though.
    • blacktriangle, on 02/28/2008, -0/+26Honorable mention goes to the "Canned Hamburger".
      • linuxpenguin, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Hey, the stuff for sloppy joes comes in a can, that's good, right?
    • biggoron318, on 02/28/2008, -2/+94. Profit?

      /thats horrible
    • WNW3, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3But they gave us Heino!!!!!
    • fbaraka, on 02/28/2008, -4/+22Actually WWI was started by Serbs
      http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_started_World_War_1
      • ComstockGordon, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7Apparently someone felt the need to digg this down. Probably a Serbian.
        • boristubak, on 02/28/2008, -1/+1it was dugg down for being inaccurate.
      • hobonater, on 02/28/2008, -0/+14Not really. There were many factors that led to building tensions of nations in Europe and Eastern Europe. Gavril Principe's assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was only the "trigger" event that set off this culmination of events. I think most historians would agree that no one country can be cornered with blame but one can debate over which countries or politicians (if any) were more responsible than others. Germany, Britain, France, Soviet Union, Italy, Ottoman Empire (Austria-Hungry), Serbia, and even more countries including Japan all had a hand in the origins of the war.
        • Connormac44, on 02/28/2008, -2/+2Well, the Serbs started it more than the Germans. How's that?
      • Berkana, on 02/28/2008, -2/+2Do you really want to know one of the hidden hand behind WWI? Iraqi oil. I'm serious. (it's not necessarily the triggering factor, nor the only, but certainly one of the reasons, one that is not often admitted by the West.) Watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-526764086 ...

    • Grok22, on 02/28/2008, -12/+7You for got the greatest evil of them all socialism
      • arkivx, on 02/28/2008, -1/+3Some people voted you down, I'm betting he/she/it were national socialist.
        • linuxpenguin, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3That or they know that socialism didn't come from Germany.
          • arkivx, on 03/01/2008, -1/+1national socialism a.k.a NAZI party
          • linuxpenguin, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1Thanks for the explanation of what the word "Nazi" means, arkivx. The definition has the word Socialism in it, so that must be where the idea came from! Forget about Mussolini and all the other people who put it into practice first.
          • arkivx, on 03/04/2008, -0/+1I though Mussolini was a fascist?
          • linuxpenguin, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1Maybe, but in modern times this is sometimes considered a form of Socialism. Even so, Socialism didn't come out of Germany.
      • linuxpenguin, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3Last time I heard, that came out of Italy. . .
    • CaptainTater, on 02/28/2008, -3/+8Don't hassle the Hoff.
    • hmcook87, on 02/28/2008, -1/+3you forgot german death metal. not cool.
    • elisamaite, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3and my boyfriend.
    • TheOneTrueGod, on 02/28/2008, -0/+24. The current Pope.
      5. Me.
    • raydelmundo, on 02/28/2008, -1/+0please remember that scientology came before World War II so basically Germany is kind of fine since then
    • VANOS, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Good things:

      1. BMW/VW/etc.
      2. Beer
      3. Sausages
      4. Fraulein Beer Garden Girls
  • TomAnon0, on 02/27/2008, -1/+144So THAT'S why the Germans hate Scientologists - plagiarism!
  • santiago1, on 02/27/2008, -5/+29 ...waiting for this article to be tagged as inaccurate.....just like all the others connected to shillontology.... as if they thought we're that stupid.
    • fxu1989, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3They probably thought the Scientology articles were over...

      First time in 2 weeks that I see one in the front page...

      They'll come back.
  • blinker265, on 02/27/2008, -0/+20sorta ironic, huh?
  • PDAIsAOk, on 02/27/2008, -2/+25Meh, I've read better fiction than this
    • doctechnical, on 02/27/2008, -2/+4I've read better cerial boxes than this.
  • nblsavage, on 02/27/2008, -2/+68Well, at least we know he didn't plagiarize Battlefield Earth - no one else could write tripe like that.
    • sniffspam, on 09/09/2008, -12/+8the book was great... the movie was a HUGE piece of *****

      I can't imagine you ever read the book with that comment..
      • MASTERPL, on 02/28/2008, -7/+4Don't digg snifner down. You obviously haven't read the book and are just jumping on the bandwagon at any cost. I agree that the movie was bleh, but the book was really good imo.
        • Orestes2718, on 02/28/2008, -2/+7No the book was horrible. This fat kid I knew loaned it to me and described it as the greatest sf novel he'd read (he hadn't read any Asimov, Heinlein, Clarke, Wells, or Adams).

          Sample writing: "Johnny nearly fell off the flying platform!" Hub always used those exclamation marks because he couldn't write prose, let alone exciting prose. One could go on for an eternity about how bad it was, like one could eulogize the contents of a used toilet for hours and still not run out of disgust. It's just something without any aesthetic value whatsoever.

          One day it'll be forgotten, all dreck is eventually.
        • nblsavage, on 02/28/2008, -1/+8I read the book...believe me I remember the giant pile of crap vividly.
        • linuxpenguin, on 02/28/2008, -1/+21) I'll bury you both if I feel like it
          2) I agree with the two above comments - I never read the whole book, but I didn't really care to after I started.
      • Fordi, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1The first half was tripe. The second half was... interesting... but not really captivating.

        The movie left out the second half, probably because it wouldn't make good telly in contrast to the 'action' of the first half. Though, the first half was a pile of steaming poo as well.
    • stevealford, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5I realize how horrible it is, but I love the movie version.

      "You expect me to write 'Cause of Death: Shot by Man-Animal?"

      It might be the worst film I've ever seen, but I can't hate anything so retarded and inadvertently hilarious.
  • AshamedAmerican, on 02/27/2008, -31/+6Marked as inaccurate in 3...2...
    • joker10687, on 02/28/2008, -2/+8its sad when i can immediately tell a post is going to be retarded just by reading the Screen name and .25 inch picture next to it
    • lickmylovepump, on 02/28/2008, -3/+5I guess you know your German history, huh? Marked as a scared little boy in 3... 2... 1....
    • arkivx, on 02/28/2008, -2/+4America is ashamed of you too.
  • swrostmore, on 02/27/2008, -33/+7This is going to be tagged as inaccurate because it IS inaccurate. Here's an explanation of Nordenholz' "scientology" philosophy. I defy any of you 4channers to explain how it relates to L. Ron's scientology except in the name:
    http://www.scientologie.org/se_nsumm.htm
    • Tsujigiri, on 02/27/2008, -6/+5True. I thought the same thing when I read this on Boingboing this morning. While the name is identical, if you take a few minutes to read the axioms of the older Scientology at the above link you find they don't really have much in common with the current Church of Scientology. No intergalactic overlords, no little alien spirits making you pissy and irritable, just a crazy German guy. Believe me, I'm a huge fan of pointing out and mocking the flaws in Scientology, but sadly this ain't one of them.

      Buuut it makes a better story if you just headline "L Ron Hubbard Plagiarized Scientology". Most people don't typically read past the title of anything anyways. This is as much plagiarism as saying "American Football Plagiarized Soccer". Same name, different game. The title is plagiarized (purposefully or coincidentally, couldn't find any proof to support either opinion), but the bodies of the two respective pieces are very different. The above poster and I will probably get Dugg down from the popularity zerg getting dugg often represent these days, but he/she's right and so I'll agree with him/her.
      • spyrochaete, on 02/27/2008, -1/+10What are you talking about? Here's an excerpt from the first paragraph from the Wikipedia entry on Scientologie:

        Scientologie, Wissenschaft von der Beschaffenheit und der Tauglichkeit des Wissens (Scientology: Science of the Constitution and Usefulness of Knowledge) is a 1934 book published by Dr. Anastasius Nordenholz, in which he defines the term "Scientologie" or "Eidologie" as a science of knowing or knowledge and discusses the philosophical implications of the concept.

        And here's a quote from Hubbard's Scientology Technical Dictionary:

        It is formed from the Greek word logos, which means THE WORD, or OUTWARD FORM BY WHICH THE INWARD THOUGHT IS EXPRESSED AND MADE KNOWN: also THE INWARD THOUGHT or REASON ITSELF. Thus, SCIENTOLOGY means KNOWING ABOUT KNOWING, or SCIENCE OF KNOWLEDGE.

        Perhaps the semantics are altered but fundamentally it's the same thing.
        • Tsujigiri, on 02/27/2008, -6/+2Yes, as myself and the first poster had said the names (and, as you've just proved, the definition of that term) are the same. I believe what we are saying is that, while the names are the same, the axioms and dogmas behind the two principals are not.
          • spyrochaete, on 02/28/2008, -3/+2Yeah, I see the Wikipedia page goes on to say that, more or less. The title that summarizes the concept is the crux of both philosophies but the details are apparently very different.
      • stonewaljacksn, on 02/27/2008, -0/+5All religions need a central myth...a symbolic "mystery". Hubbard stole the ideas of those brilliant German, Austrian, Swiss, etc, psychologists who started showing up on the scene beginning with Freud, and he decided to make a religion out of those ideas. What was missing from the work of these scientists? A central myth. So, Hubbard throws together some halfassed modern sounding (aliens are much more believable in 1950 than God am I wrong?) "symbolic" myth to surround his stolen ideas and boom, religion.
      • Berkana, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3The ridiculous "space opera" part of Scientology was added by L. Ron Hubbard, but if you look at some of the materials they use that have been disseminated online, the part of Scientology that tends to win people over is the stuff about epistemology--how people know things and philosophy about that. Sadly, that is possibly the only good part of Scientology--even if it is not 100% accurate in light of modern cognitive science. They don't start off teaching their converts all this ***** about evil space overlords and crap like that, they start with what appears to be a real study of thought, though once you progress beyond the stuff L. Ron Hubbard plagiarized, it goes off the deep end.

        I'm not saying this because I'm a Scientologist, but because I've looked at some of their stuff to try to see what's so compelling that people would pay thousands of dollars for their courses; if there were nothing compelling about it, and if the courses start off with space opera crap, I don't think they would have gotten as far as they have. Some of it is just wacko crap, but what appeared to be L. Ron Hubbard's real insights into communication and epistemology turns out not to be his work at all.
    • CATSCEO, on 02/27/2008, -3/+7scientologie.org is owned by scientology, dumbass.
      • ORBAT, on 02/28/2008, -1/+2Actually, it's owned by the Free Zone Association. They're scientologists who are outside the "orthodox" Scientology organization. Think protestant vs. catholic.
        • coolmos, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Think $expensive$ vs. reasonably priced (but still pricey).
    • stonewaljacksn, on 02/27/2008, -0/+5No I'm not a 4channer, but I do recommend you look into Freud's Psychoanalysis and CG Jung's Analytical Psychology. Why pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn scientology's mysteries when you can learn them for free from the true scientists Hubbard stole his ideas from.
  • DCB360, on 04/11/2008, -0/+15http://www.scientologie.org/gif/nord001.gif

    The true founder of Scientology?
  • tripleplay369, on 02/27/2008, -31/+4i hate xenu too

    digg me
    • Mr.Gone, on 02/27/2008, -1/+17Scientologists hate Xenu. So you are a scientologist?
      • tripleplay369, on 02/27/2008, -2/+10what are your crimes
        • urbandistrict, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2I love how they can effectively frazzle people so bad through insane persistence. Something to marvel at.
          Remember a few years ago a comedian squirted Tom Cruise with water using a fake mic. Tom grabbed him and kept repeated to him "Why would you do that?" and the man was reduced to a 7 year old. "I duno, I thought it was funny". Tom completely dominated him with just the force of his presence. Soon....Tom Cruise...soon you will be a full Sith lord.
      • urbandistrict, on 02/27/2008, -1/+9More of an attention whore.
    • freshgrease, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Nice job screwing up your attempt to be "cool" by joining the Anonymous movement. "Oh please digg me (make me cool) because I am just like you. " If you were doing this at DEFCON your system would be raped so hard Chris Hanson would scream like a little girl.
      • urbandistrict, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Somewhere is an angry man wearing a Jinx t-shirt....
  • moger777, on 02/27/2008, -0/+25Hopefully this will make it harder for the CoS to sue people. Hard to accuse others of infringing on property rights when your doing the same.
    • urbandistrict, on 02/27/2008, -4/+2Unfortunately, they did their homework/legwork on obtaining those rights.
    • Drkgodess, on 02/27/2008, -0/+7I posted this above in response to another comment, but their copyrights in the UK, Canada, and NZ just expired a week ago. Funny that this should come up just now..still very funny!
      • urbandistrict, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Pity they have so many other countries in the world. I was in Madrid last year, and was shocked to see there was a Co$ right there in the center.
  • theradical, on 02/27/2008, -1/+10http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientologie
    • Rage67, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1you are using wikipedia as a reference... Dugg down for pure irresponsibility
  • lazyfisherman, on 02/27/2008, -19/+2For all the crazy whacked out ***** in Scientology (which, i'm sorry, seems more like a business / cult / crime family than a religion), some of its teachings are at least interesting. It would be disappointing if Hubbard didn't even write that stuff and just stole it all from somewhere else.
    • urbandistrict, on 02/27/2008, -0/+4Which things did you find interesting?
      • lazyfisherman, on 02/27/2008, -2/+1Specifically, I remember some part from one of their texts about self-improvement which basically described how every man, human etc. needs a purpose and how "work" can be good and fulfilling experience for people. And how the lack of work and of a purpose in life can be destructive. Sort of agree with that. A lot of it seems to read like a psychology or self-help book and that's probably part of the appeal of it and why it can be used to effectively rip-off so many people (if that's what Scientology is doing).
        • urbandistrict, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Common sense. It doesn't take a prophet to land upon that conclusion.

          Ceasar Milan's DVD says the same about my Chihuahua.
    • doctechnical, on 02/27/2008, -0/+4Interesting? I suppose... but then my Dungeons and Dragons rulebooks make for interesting reading, too. But my grip on reality (such as it is) is strong enough that I don't put on a pointy hat and cast "Magic Missile" at the darkness.
      Now I'm imagining Tom Cruise in a pointy hat... oy.
      • lazyfisherman, on 02/27/2008, -0/+1Yeah, interesting like Dungeons and Dragons. That's what Scientology is like to me. Except Gary Gygax won't make as many $$$ demands on you as old Hubbard.
      • urbandistrict, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1I did read the Warhammer RPG book like it was a bible for some time in my life. I however stayed away from the Chaos cult of Khorne...
  • mnemy, on 02/27/2008, -1/+15Funny if true
    • Berkana, on 02/27/2008, -0/+5Sad if true. I've looked at some of the things the Scientologists teach just out of curiosity (for free, of course, and online), and found to my shock that some of it actually had insight into how people think and the nature of epistemology. There I was, thinking he was a total crackpot. Now, it turns out that L. Ron Hubbard plagiarized any redeeming parts of Scientology. In other words, L. Ron Hubbard was good for nothing, and spawned a totalitarian cult using someone else's ideas, while adding loads of ***** about alien cultures and space operas, etc.
  • itchcity, on 02/27/2008, -1/+7yesssssssssssssss
  • sajnikanth, on 02/27/2008, -2/+26Dieser Kommentar ist nicht mehr anstehen, da eine Copyright-Anspruch von der Kirche von Scientologie
    • goldenratiophi, on 02/28/2008, -0/+12did you just insult my mother?
    • Fengpost, on 02/28/2008, -3/+1Bitte aufhören und ablassen oder Sie werden verklagt
    • lickmylovepump, on 02/28/2008, -1/+7Well, I have to disagree. Personally I find Hubbard less attractive than Cyndi Lauper. But that's just my opinion.
    • koko775, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Venn ist das nurnstuck git und slotermeyer? Ya! Beigerhund das oder die flipperwaldt gersput!
    • m4csrgh3yk3v, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2Du Hast 99 Luftbaloons
  • FredFredrickson, on 02/27/2008, -7/+6...because learning that their religion was plagiarized is going to make them suddenly stop believing in it. Right.
    • Rage67, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1some excuse or cover up will manifest itself soon enough
  • CornStarch, on 02/27/2008, -0/+5He also stole stuff from the Bahai's and some other religions.
  • frogsoblivious, on 02/27/2008, -7/+6OOOOOoooo baby the plagaristic irony!


    i have a date with L. Ron on the Ides of March, ill ask him about it then.. lulz!
  • likwidfuzion, on 02/27/2008, -2/+121[This cult is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Dr. A. Nordenholz]
  • Kevinok, on 02/27/2008, -1/+8I really really hope this is true.
  • VinnieDaMac, on 02/27/2008, -1/+39What are you afraid of?
  • thedavidmartin, on 02/27/2008, -15/+16Funny. Although, how is this any different from the authors of the Bible?

    Old school religion 'borrowed' just as much material, if not more...
    • bobburn, on 02/27/2008, -4/+11shh, You'll anger the bible-thumpers.
    • VinnieDaMac, on 02/27/2008, -3/+18All religion is bogus, but Scientology is even more so.
      • insllvn, on 02/28/2008, -1/+9That is sort of like saying this ***** is much ***** than that *****, and over here is the ***** ***** of all! When you are neck deep in *****, does it matter?
      • hansk, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5no really there is varying degrees of *****, some is something less awful like cow *****, mostly hay, then you move down the line to vile diahhrea type human *****.
      • DforSpiD, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3All religion missed the point, but Scientology never had a point (Hubbard's bank balance does not count as a point)
    • meells, on 02/27/2008, -2/+7Absolutely correct. I was glad to see it addressed before I had to do it myself :)
    • SlimFastForYou, on 02/28/2008, -8/+4You think it's funny? Well why don't you just tell all that to Jesus after you die? I'm sure he'll find it all very fascinating.
      • Tyrghast, on 02/28/2008, -2/+5Christianity: Because you believe that a cosmic jewish zombie was sent by his invisible father to remove invisible 'sins' from your invisible 'soul'.
      • insllvn, on 02/28/2008, -3/+3Jesus and I were just talking, and he thinks you are a bit of an *****.
        • lickmylovepump, on 02/28/2008, -2/+4that is funny. and i happen to love jesus.
          • meells, on 02/28/2008, -2/+1Who's lovepump would Jesus lick?

            Naa, its cool. I am sure He would have taken that nick if you hadn't already.
        • SlimFastForYou, on 03/03/2008, -0/+1lol I really got dug down something fierce. I'm actually agnostic, and the comment was intended to go along with someone elses saying "sshh you'll anger the bible thumpers". Nobody else wanted to play the Devil's Advocate on this one (no pun intended).
    • jawnboy, on 02/28/2008, -2/+6I think the point is the Vatican et al doesn't sue anyone for copyright infringement, while the COS does.
      • thedavidmartin, on 02/28/2008, -4/+2No, I don't think that was the point. Also: the Vatican has been a shining example of censorship. Ever heard of the inquisition?
        • hansk, on 02/28/2008, -1/+2inquisition was just one example of a myriad of silence attempts by the catholics during their history
    • empiric, on 02/28/2008, -1/+1Primary-source (please don't make me explain what that means) citations?

      Sure, it's fashionable to claim every other religion was "just like Jesus", but it happens to be nonsense.
    • jrackow, on 02/28/2008, -0/+0Good question. I think a good answer would be 324 messianic prophecies is how that's different. But, I suppose you could say the guys that wrote stuff thousands of years before Jesus were plagiarizing the future. Which, what if the guy that wrote Scientologie actually plagiarized from L. Ron in the future. Holy crap I think my head is going to explode.
    • linuxpenguin, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1For starters. . . who wrote the Bible? IIRC it was written over the course of over a hundred years - there were many "authors".
      Not to mention, the Bible is simply a written record of stories that were passed down orally - the writers simply wrote down the stories.
  • urbandistrict, on 02/27/2008, -0/+10Very interesting, we should not forget the lore of "Incident II" was also plagiarized from a Marvel Comics (then, Atlas Comics) graphic novel from the 50s. Their whole ideology is a sham. All the moneys being pumped into these lies would be so much better served actually helping themselves or others.


  • CATSCEO, on 02/27/2008, -3/+28Scientology is plagiarized psychology?

    LRon divided by 0.
  • provost, on 02/27/2008, -2/+60I will NOT stand here and let you badmouth L. Ron.

    Perhaps I'll sit.
  • Icouldbe, on 02/27/2008, -2/+9Y'all are just being suppressive!
  • knuckles, on 02/27/2008, -1/+14Found some links that provide the content of the 1934 German version.

    http://www.scientologie.org/english.htm
    http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?f=3& ...
  • TheTaint, on 02/27/2008, -21/+4GET THE ***** OFF MY DIGGZ, SCIFAGS!
  • ToMZiLLA, on 02/27/2008, -3/+341- Plagiarize book
    2- ???
    3- Profit
    • sloppychris, on 02/28/2008, -0/+62: Lie, cheat, steal, murder, bully, defame .......
    • terminal157, on 02/28/2008, -1/+1Phase two is starting a religion. And it worked.
    • Archer007, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2There's a phase two?
  • replaysMike, on 02/27/2008, -4/+31"Bad things Germany has turned out:
    1. World War I
    2. World War II
    3. Scientology"

    You forgot David Hasselhoff.
    • Teh1337Pirate, on 02/27/2008, -7/+1Don't diss the Hasselhoff man. dugg for being an idiot
      • likwidfuzion, on 02/28/2008, -3/+1Rephrased: Don't diss da Hoff!
        • Berkana, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5Don't you mean "don't hassle the Hoff"?
    • lazyfisherman, on 02/27/2008, -3/+4David Hasselhoff is a national treasure.
      • Berkana, on 02/28/2008, -0/+6If, by "national treasure," you mean "a washed-up old man who had more testosterone than talent in his best days," you're right.
    • Rage67, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2if he didn't run then pam wouldn't have ran either... Remember that son
  • sover, on 02/27/2008, -29/+2Does anyone at digg know what "plagiarized" means? Where are the alleged plagiarized passages?
    You think that writing a book with a title similar to something else is plagiarism? None of the
    text shown in that book is remotely similar to anything written by Hubbard.
    • zcreem, on 02/27/2008, -0/+19Lighten up it's only a cult.
    • familynight, on 02/27/2008, -0/+6plagiarism, like copyright infringement, is not confined to verbatim copies. the link shows various pages of the book that are allegedly similar to works written by hubbard. plagiarism is usually a public charge against reputation rather than an official charge. this link is claiming that hubbard took ideas from another work without giving credit. so, the title is accurate. whether or not this example constitutes plagiarism is a matter of opinion, but the term was used correctly.
    • Mexicore, on 02/27/2008, -0/+8IT IS NOT A CULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


      its a business lol
      • coolmos, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Oh? Stupid me. Still thinking it was just a pyramid scheme.
  • vongole, on 02/27/2008, -1/+11ha ha - Lafatty started by ripping off other writers and thinkers - and end by ripping off - you! The cult could reduce the national debt by paying their taxes like everyone else. What dirt did the Scifags have on the IRS that got them their special deal?
  • nunu4u, on 02/27/2008, -1/+11March 15 is on.
  • frogsoblivious, on 02/27/2008, -2/+11"The term "Scientologie" is a registered trademark of the Religious Technology Center, which controls the Church of Scientology's trademarks. The English-language term "Scientology" originated neither with Hubbard nor Nordenholz, but with philologist Allen Upward, who coined the term in 1907 to ridicule pseudoscientific theories." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientologie
  • dizturbd2, on 02/27/2008, -1/+7Im starting a cult based on "Hot Fudge Pickles" by Marilyn D Anderson.
    • Anonakitty, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3Its just another nail in the coffin of this evil cult.
      Built on fiction and run by liars and scam artists , Co$ deserves to be exposed for the pyramid scheme it really is .
      Using their "fronts" , ,World Institute of Scientology Enterprises ,Cult Awareness Network,Sea Organization,CCHR , RTC ,Narconon,Criminon , FLAG. to lure the public into joining .

      Scientologists actively recruit ( and get commision for ) new members by offering "free stress tests." (Oxford Capacity Analysis ) . The test is a hoax,
      It is without any credible scientific recognition or validity and has no link or endorsement by Oxford University , as the misleading title might suggest .
      Results of this test have been use to blackmail / intimidate /dissuade those who want to leave after joining the CoS.

      more proof that Scientology is dangerous

      Xenu.net
      enturbulation.Org
      whyaretheydead.net
  • krisscofield, on 02/27/2008, -7/+7Digg, what are you so afraid of!? You're glib!
  • aclockwork3, on 02/27/2008, -3/+38***** L Ron Hubbard and ***** Scientology.
    • joker10687, on 02/28/2008, -0/+2...Amen." How do you get something to become an 'official' prayer? I like this one.
  • omenmedia, on 02/27/2008, -2/+59Old father Hubbard
    Went to the cupboard
    To fetch a worthy religious tome
    But when he got there
    The cupboard was bare
    And so his poor followers got owned
  • Goldbricker, on 02/27/2008, -2/+12So why has it taken this long to uncover? Scientology isn't exactly low profile.
    • aelias, on 02/28/2008, -0/+5If it's anything like their current doctrine, it couldn't have been that popular back in the day, I doubt anyone who's still alive would make the connection.
    • sniffspam, on 09/09/2008, -0/+5The internet is a wonderful thing...
    • Phocion55, on 02/28/2008, -1/+9They probably just killed anyone that knew.
  • neo926, on 02/28/2008, -1/+10Scientologists LOVE David Hasselhoff.
    • dicknuts, on 02/28/2008, -0/+3I downloaded some Hasselhoff songs back when Limewire was good. I definitely recommend 'Night Rocker'.
  • beloitpiper, on 02/28/2008, -1/+10I was wondering what had happened to all of the Scientology submissions.
  • Br0wn, on 02/28/2008, -0/+1Cover up to make him look sane?
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