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Knights Templar win reprieve after 700 years- Documents released by Vatican

reuters.com — The Knights Templar, the medieval Christian military order accused of heresy and sexual misconduct, will soon be partly rehabilitated when the Vatican publishes trial documents it had closely guarded for 700 years.

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  • flogistan, on 10/14/2007, -85/+4Catholics should stay catholic. The knights templar is a pagan religion.
    • groverblue, on 10/13/2007, -9/+78I'm not sure where you are going with that, but Christianity stole most Pagan beliefs and holidays in an attempt to convert people. It worked.
    • doctechnical, on 10/13/2007, -0/+72The Templars were not a religion, they were a religious order. There's a difference.
      • Bdog2g2, on 10/13/2007, -0/+18People with closed minds and their own perceptions of things don't care about differences...only what they believe is the truth.
    • doublsh0t, on 10/13/2007, -20/+36The entire christian religion is based on pagan sun-worship
      • AntBing, on 10/13/2007, -2/+13Thats why the holiest of days is....Sunday!
      • chubbybubba, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1actually the sabbath is saturday.
        • UpBeforeSunrise, on 10/14/2007, -0/+1That was my point ,its not only 7th day adventists celibrate 7th day Sabbath ,So I am just trying to defend against the idea All Christians are Sun worshipers or otherwise easily led ,when as a Christian I have probably done as much or more research into the subject as those who would accuse.
      • UpBeforeSunrise, on 10/13/2007, -1/+3Seriously I have looked into almost every claim made in Zeitgeist and alot of them are interesting ,but it is far from a credible source ,alot of them are outright lies ,or misrepresentations .I admit that It is interesting alot of customs some Christians practice without questioning why they do it like Sunday sabbath ,santa ,and I could name a ton of others .As a follower of Christ I have done a whole lot of research into the claim of Sun worship but I just dont think there is much to it ,most of the customs are Catholic and the claims about th mithras Horas ect. were very debatable.Do your own research please.
    • sensoukami, on 10/13/2007, -0/+12Dude, Templars were a Catholic relious Order...
  • blatantninja, on 10/16/2007, -0/+54I hope they come out with a cheaper version. This is one of my favorite periods of history. The Templars got hosed big time.
    • majinboy, on 10/13/2007, -0/+6Lets hope Google Books or Project Gutenberg can get their hands on a copy so that us mere mortals can read it.
  • geekchic, on 10/15/2007, -1/+130Only 700 years? Blimy, the Catholic Church is certainly starting to speed up its activities.
    • noots, on 10/20/2007, -0/+63just imagine all of the other ***** they have locked away.
      • Racerx52, on 10/13/2007, -0/+33Are you implying we break in and steal the documents?
      • azprofessional, on 10/13/2007, -2/+16He might not, be but I am in the name of comedy.

        "But father Mackie, nowhere in the holy document of vatican law does it forbid sex with the boys"
    • ridiculicious, on 10/13/2007, -2/+9Dugg for "Blimy"
    • Crosshare, on 10/13/2007, -2/+9@noots The most important of which are the Dead Sea Scrolls.
      • JLecker, on 10/17/2007, -2/+1...which predict the coming of the Angels, right?
    • meachen, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1those *****..........
  • Devilini, on 10/13/2007, -25/+1I didn't knew his crimes...Better the church speed up...
  • azprofessional, on 10/20/2007, -10/+161Is this an expansion pack for warcraft?
    • ThinkingHurts, on 10/13/2007, -12/+3That was the funniest line on this thread. Came outta nowhere!
  • embonpoint, on 10/13/2007, -14/+56sexual misconduct! i think the catholic church should be more concerned about its own sexual misconducts.
    • MacEnvy, on 10/13/2007, -3/+13Different century, same old *****. Humans are humans, and the more "morally repressed" they are the more likely they are to succumb to perversion.
      • aliengoods, on 10/13/2007, -2/+1That's because all sins are the same, and God doesn't differentiate between masturbation and sex with boys. I imagine religious folk figure if you're going to sin, go all out. Look at Larry Craig.
  • witebuddha, on 10/13/2007, -1/+16As a senior DeMolay... its about damn time...
    • Segovia8465, on 10/13/2007, -0/+7Ditto
    • godfly, on 10/13/2007, -0/+6Once a DeMolay, Always a DeMolay! too bad there are no brothers here in Canada :'-(
  • vat0r, on 10/16/2007, -1/+49The Masons must be thrilled!
    • takamalak, on 10/13/2007, -0/+23Hey! You know the first and second rules.
      • ThinkingHurts, on 10/13/2007, -3/+4First rule about Knights Templar...You dont talk about Knights Templar!!!
    • SiNN4R, on 10/13/2007, -2/+11Its the illuminati not the free masons.
  • roadtripper, on 10/13/2007, -7/+27I'm sure they haven't been edited or compromised at all during those 700 years either.
    • aak4, on 10/16/2007, -3/+29Yea, let just open it up in Word and change a few things. Oh wait, parchments don't open in Word.
    • SiNN4R, on 10/13/2007, -0/+13Its not a word processor. Its not exactly easy to edit a 700 year old text.
    • urbandistrict, on 10/31/2007, -7/+12aak4 & SiNN4R you do realize that those are copies, right? Even the bible has been edited.
    • isaactwito, on 10/31/2007, -0/+3"'This will allow anyone to see what is actually in documents like these and deflate legends that are in vogue these days,' she said."

      This is what I'm ***** psyched for. I don't care if they change it around a little and make the old pope look nice, I just want ***** historical-fiction to get debunked. Also kudos to whoever submitted this, it's good to see something other than iPhones, Blackwater, or Ron Paul on digg these days.
  • rmxz, on 10/13/2007, -11/+61Were the Knights Templar kinda like the Blackwater of their days?
    From Wikipedia "best equipped, best-trained...fighting units of the Crusades... created mistrust...had a powerful patron...exempted the Order from obedience to local laws...exempt from all authority except that of the Pope. .. The Order was still subject to no local government, making it everywhere a "state within a state". It also had a standing army that could pass freely through all borders, but that no longer had a well-defined battlefield"
    • 8270369, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1No. Not even remotely. TKT were comparable to "Section One." But Mr. Jones was the Pope.
    • youMISERABLEpos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Duug up for typing what I was thinking..
    • blatantninja, on 10/13/2007, -0/+11Not at all. They were closer to special forces. They had very strict requirements that went beyond just ability, and despite coming from wealth (you had to be a knight before entrance), lived as monks live (You had to disavow all your wealth when you joined) . A great order that has been very misrepresented by history.
      • hiphoc, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2Well, until the Vatican releases more documents to prove that. I will take all statements about the Templar's with a touch of salt.
      • OBKenobi, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1[quote]lived as monks live [/quote]

        So when did all the sexual misconduct take place?

        Sorry, but when you mix the military and religious fascism, in a war of genocide, you don't get nice, rational people. They were WORSE than Blackwater.
  • o0joshua0o, on 10/13/2007, -2/+23I hope someone scans this so us poor folks can read it.
    • Frosty122, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3i doubt it's in english, it's either in Latin, or Italian..
      • BrettTheUser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Latin, but the article did say it included scholarly commentary, which is most likely Italian, English, German, Spanish or French, or any combination thereof.
        • ramiro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1One of the pictures showed the cover: "Processus contra Templarios". That looks like Latin.
    • Godlesswanderer, on 10/13/2007, -0/+9Since it was written in the Vatican 700 years ago it'll most likely all be in Latin.
    • Scynet, on 10/13/2007, -0/+7As a side note, I wonder how good those Latin-to-english online translators actually are. I mean they're nowhere near perfect of course, but do they actually work in any practical way? It's hard to say when you don't know Latin...
  • hiphoc, on 10/13/2007, -2/+26I wonder how many other historical facts the Church is holding in its vaults. Its always nice to hear that the people who want to tell us how history is, always choose to withhold historical proof of certain historical facts. This is no better than all the "Top Secret" documents this government has. Knowledge is power. Control knowledge and you control the power of the citizens to make better choices.
    • kageki, on 10/13/2007, -1/+8That was one of my first thoughts too especially when it mentioned Vatican's Secret Archives. So they just released this after 700 years which implies there are many more documents locked in their vaults. Sort of sends shivers down my spine.

      I would imagine one the biggest secrets it is holding pertains to the Bible itself. We know it's been edited and we know some parts of it has been left out of the official version so I imagine there are parts that have been completely kept secret like the real story of Jesus.
      • avengingturnip, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1There were all kinds of conspiracy theories about the Dead Sea Scrolls too. "The Vatican is covering something up!", people shouted. Turns out it just took that long to stabilize, categorize, and transcribe and translate all the documents. The case of the Vatican archives is even worse. Many thousands of items that have not been looked at in centuries and have never been translated. They are available for scholarly studies but the reality is it is not humanly possible to just make these things available to the public. The Templar information was released specifically because of all the current historical fiction that treats the subject, like The DaVinci Code and its derivatives.
    • hiphoc, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2The Vatican has one of the largest art and book libraries in the world. All kept away from the public. That hiding of beauty and knowledge is a sin in itself. Last time I checked there were a lot of religious wars that may have helped the Vatican collect all that booty it has hidden.
  • bobbilljoe, on 10/13/2007, -2/+4Very interesting timing indeed....
    • petebot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2...What do you mean?
      • geekchic, on 10/13/2007, -0/+8second coming due next week - best to clear the archives before that happens.
  • aak4, on 10/13/2007, -0/+21I'd love to get a .pdf download!
  • allioupe, on 10/13/2007, -7/+1produced by the Vatican Secret Archives? So they lied all these years and now their gonna make money off the truth.. should have been seized hundreds of years ago.. I hope the Vatican Secret Archives is not the real Vatican..
  • _jinx_, on 10/13/2007, -9/+2I highly doubt these document's even hold any validity since it's been in there hands all this time, let alone releasing it won't due much besides cause an uproar regarding interpretation, however I'm sure its great reading material for the enthused occultist.
  • Scrappy1850, on 10/13/2007, -10/+5this is like the OJ trial, but less interesting
    • dondara, on 10/13/2007, -6/+4Aww come on, digg this guy up, thats funny
  • ryangoff, on 10/13/2007, -2/+18Wait .. so they're not releasing the original (at least to be academically reviewed) and they're selling 799 copies for $8,333? Looks like the church is a little strapped for cash. Another interesting points: The document proves that the Knights were absolved of hearsay, but then tortured into confessing that they did it and then they were burned at the stake. Doesn't that sound familiar?
    • WNW3, on 10/13/2007, -0/+7It'll raise more money than Bingo and Pancake dinners combined!
    • Godlesswanderer, on 10/13/2007, -0/+10That's the way things worked back then. If someone wouldn't confess to what you wanted them to, you could torture them into confessing. Then use that confession as proof and have them executed.
    • SocialPoison, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Monty Python sketch?
    • SlimFastForYou, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1bury, sorry
    • silverchrysalis, on 10/13/2007, -1/+3absolved of hearsay?
      not what i heard
  • DreKor, on 10/16/2007, -4/+34I just think it's impressive that they have archives that go back 700 years
    • Godlesswanderer, on 10/13/2007, -1/+16I wouldn't be surprised if they went back even further, the Vatican has been there for a very long time.
    • oldeenglish, on 10/13/2007, -0/+6I totally agree. This is the more significant part of the story. It amazes me that an organization like the Vatican has persisted for close to two thousand years and probably has compiled detailed records for much of their history. During the dark ages it became the font of knowledge for much of western Europe. Yes it controlled the information to possibly the detriment of the people but the impressive part is that they had that information.
      • kageki, on 10/13/2007, -1/+2This really explains a lot. In many ways have we ever gotten out of the Dark Ages controlled by the Vatican? It's impressive to me they both possess and have controlled information for all this time and continue to do so might I add.
    • LeeMaple, on 10/15/2007, -1/+3It's always important to keep track of lies, they're very hard to remember.
  • gibbwake, on 10/13/2007, -8/+1Ugh. Masonic stooges.
  • BradMW, on 10/13/2007, -4/+16Was anyone expecting the Onion?
    • OBKenobi, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.
  • eviscero, on 10/13/2007, -12/+12The knights templar did alot of damage to Christianity. Suffice to say, the Catholic Church does not represent the teachings of Christ.
    • skyfire1, on 10/13/2007, -0/+6Neither do Baptists, Mormons, Orthodox, Jehovah Witnesses, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, etc, etc, etc. Just wanted to make sure we have this cleared up before those whom we shall not speak of jump the gun.
  • zapa, on 10/13/2007, -7/+1www.hellgatelondon.com
  • AllanX, on 10/13/2007, -3/+8It's too soon.
  • mortigon, on 10/13/2007, -5/+2they brought them back just in time!!!!!

    http://www.hellgatelondon.com/
  • mandarin, on 10/13/2007, -6/+4I blame France
  • azprofessional, on 10/13/2007, -4/+2How does this after the Gelgamek Catholics?
    • azprofessional, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2affect rather, damn multitasking!
  • sonaboy, on 10/13/2007, -10/+5hahah...wait wait...let me get this right...The Catholic Church is accusing some OTHER sect of Xtianity of sexual misconduct? hahahah...folks, you just can't write comedy this good.
    • cdiggy, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1The style, and personality of this post reminds me of somebody.... somebody on talk radio..... not a diss, I'm just sayin'
  • protogenxl, on 10/13/2007, -4/+10Blimey, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
    • designerutah, on 10/13/2007, -1/+4"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. Our chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and then fear. Fear and a fanatical collection of... Our chief weapon is surprise. Just surprise. What about fear? Oh yes, surprise and fear. And a fanatical..."

      Had to continue the Monty Python quote.
  • rpong1981, on 10/15/2007, -2/+19"Christian military order accused of heresy and sexual misconduct"
    History repeats itself.
  • Shandooga, on 10/13/2007, -7/+2Rehabilitated?! Ha! Who's going to rehabilitate the nazi-led catholic church so that they can, in turn, rehabilitate someone else? Nobody, that's who.
  • Hetman, on 10/13/2007, -3/+1And in other news Lots great great great great great great great great great grandchildren are still disgusted with the incest it took to produce them.
  • mostreliable, on 10/13/2007, -1/+5I wonder if this has anything to do with the new Indiana Jones movie coming out soon?
    • OBKenobi, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1Does it have heresy and sexual misconduct in it?
  • urza, on 10/13/2007, -22/+2THIS IS FAKE PR FOR THE FREEMASONS THE DOCUMENT HAS BEEN ON DISPLAY ON THE Vatican WEBSITE FOR YEARS FREEMASONS HAVE A OPEN HOUSE THIS WEEKND 13TH AND HELLGATE (DONT BE DUMB) THERE SATANIST READ ALBURT PIKES MORALS AND DOGMA
    • Scynet, on 10/13/2007, -1/+12I'm sorry, my monitor doesn't support your font resolution.
    • LesterKing, on 10/13/2007, -1/+9Man, people like you make the internet the ***** that it is.
    • erkokite, on 10/13/2007, -0/+8I'm sorry. I don't quite understand the all-caps, non-punctuated, utterly unclear diarrhea that you just spewed on my screen.
  • preacherflamer, on 10/15/2007, -6/+6It only took the Vatican (Catholic Church) over 2,000 years to "Forgive the Jews" (screw the Vatican) for killing Christ. Hey, this was FAST, for a Pedophiliac Protective Society!
    • urza, on 10/15/2007, -7/+5ARE YOU A RETARD?
      • preacherflamer, on 10/13/2007, -6/+1No, I'm not. Clearly, you are. ES&D, MF, NAZI SH*T!
    • dondara, on 10/13/2007, -7/+3Forgive the Jews? *****. Too bad the Romans ever stopped tossing those damn christians to the lions. If they hadn't been so tolerant, they could have saved the world a lot of misery.
    • Vazel, on 10/13/2007, -2/+1Uh, the romans weren't tolerant at all to the Christians. They tried their best to suppress(which only served to create martyrs) them but history would favor them when Constantine decided to exploit the ~10% Christians concentrated in the cities to build his power on. A significant portion considering only 40% of Romans lived in cities and power was based in the cities.
      • han52, on 10/30/2007, -1/+0Actually the Romans were at first quite tolerant to Christians, just as they were to the many religious groups which were in the Empire. They had no problem with Christian beliefs per se, but did not understand why Christians would not also honor Roman Gods and participate in state religious observances. For Romans, to do so was seen as a display of good citizenship and respect for tradition and social order. What one believed when doing so was a private matter, but participation on some level was expected.
  • Smeed, on 10/13/2007, -0/+3What credibility does the vatican have?
  • blatantninja, on 10/13/2007, -2/+1Oops, double post!
  • chestertonb, on 10/13/2007, -0/+16Blimey even the Catholic Church are trying to cash in on the Da Vinci Code.

    Regarding the actually outcome of the case, I know a 750 year old Knight who can finally get on with his life.I think he might sue though.
  • urza, on 10/13/2007, -10/+2"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" (Morals and Dogma, p.321)ALBURT PIKES MORALS AND DOGMA
    • jpd272, on 10/13/2007, -3/+2so
    • erkokite, on 10/13/2007, -1/+4Dude, what are you talking about? Honestly, if you have nothing meaningful to say, piss off. You're only polluting digg with nonsense. If you want to make a point, fine. You actually have to explain what you are talking about though.
      • cranium, on 10/13/2007, -0/+4woosh!

        He's basically calling them devil worshipers, and doing so without understanding that the latin word 'lucifer' literally means light-bearer. Typical stupid ***** Christian.
      • Saltor, on 10/13/2007, -1/+1BOTH Erkokite, and cranium are ***** ignorant... typical stupid ***** cristian? Lol..
        if only you knew what he was talking about you ***** ignorant pieces of *****..
        go READ A BOOK.

    • chronopsis, on 10/13/2007, -1/+1i think page 322 goes: "it rubs the lotion on its skin..."
    • Sornos, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2Actually, Lucifer means morning star, meaning a star that rises with the sun, and so invisible shortly thereafter, which brings up the whole cast from the heavens deal.
  • sensoukami, on 10/15/2007, -0/+7I wonder if the Church can "unburn" them at the stake...that must have been a ***** way to go...
    • han52, on 10/15/2007, -0/+0Centuries ago the Church exonerated the Templars from actual heresy, but then caved in to Phillip of France and looked the other way when the Templar order was destroyed. They were I believe, actually tried and executed by civil authorities, not Church-related ones.
  • liberty08, on 10/13/2007, -2/+6700 years huh, and from the secret archives department. Must be where the Bush Justice Department takes its legal theory
  • Infowarmachine, on 10/13/2007, -2/+5meh
    far as i know templars WERE conducting sexual misconduct.
    but that had nothing to do with why they were targetted, biggest bullies on the block wanted to shut down another bully before they got to powerful
    • cranium, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1The RCC wanted to do away with a powerful faction, at the same time the king of France was essentially bankrupt and desparately wanted to confiscate their wealth. This is among the most vile things the RCC has ever done.
  • ReeseKaine, on 10/13/2007, -0/+3I remember something about this during an MSNBC special called "In Search of Satan". During one segment, they talked about how on Friday the 13th (We're getting into origins, folks), the Knights Templar were executed by the Church for "Obscene Kisses".

    My only question then and now is: What the ***** are "Obscene Kisses"?
    • chestertonb, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2Didnt they have a number one hit in 1973 with "Baby I want your love thang"
    • bluto36, on 10/13/2007, -0/+3kissing a bunghole might be obscene.
      • cranium, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2Hey, now, stop giving Father O'Malley ideas.
  • kundalini, on 10/13/2007, -2/+0This obviously coincides with the release of Hellgate: London
  • ferrell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So if I order a copy, will I be paid a visit by a hulking albino?
  • feckineejit, on 10/13/2007, -3/+1pff! my god could kick your god's ass.
  • Infantrydude, on 10/13/2007, -1/+5Now that the Templars are back it is time to start a new Crusade!
  • aslave2thegrind, on 10/13/2007, -2/+3Infantry: No...as a member of the Commandery myself I must advise you that we (Knights Templar) left Jerusalem because we knew it wasn't worth fighting for. If you watch "Kingdom of Heaven" you can find a bit of our history in the ending when the Knights of Malta (who BECAME the Knights Templar of today) LEFT that sandbox in the hands of those who are willing to fight and die over sand...earth...oil...whatever. As we no longer seek to rebuild a physical temple, we can now focus on doing our work anywhere in the world.

    There was a great special on PBS not long ago that had members of the order who were flying or driving clandestinely in Afghanistan and the Phillipines delivering aid right in the middle of war-torn areas. It was very inspiring.

    As far as this "reprieve" from the Catholic Church...it's several hundred years too late and doesn't really affect anything other than the status of Templars who HAPPEN TO BE Catholic. (Not many of those, by the way.)

    Anyhow, here's a great video on my blog which is probably the most accurate I've seen in describing the ancient and honorable fraternity that has done a great deal for the cause of Liberty and Charity worldwide for hundreds of years...some say thousands. Enjoy. http://jeremiasx.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/freemaso ...
  • Babykitkat, on 10/13/2007, -5/+3The Vatican Ordered 911 All Roads lead to Rome

    http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4315834925 ...

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-403207680 ...

    http://spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm
  • databoy, on 10/13/2007, -3/+5Maybe the "BISHOP of ROME" is about to admit that JESUS CHRIST was an invention of the Roman Empire and the "TRUE RELIGION" is the worship of "SOL INVICTUS".
    • webcite1, on 10/13/2007, -1/+1SOL....... The SUN !!!.........Not the son!
    • Bamborzled, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1Wasn't the Sol Invictus also made up by the Roman Empire?
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