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Khalid Shaikh Mohammed CONFESSES To September Eleventh Attacks!
nytimes.com — Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, long said to be the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, confessed to them at a military hearing held in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, on Saturday
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- richlizard24, on 10/12/2007, -135/+8http://www.digg.com/world_news/9_11_Mastermind_Confesses_in_Guantanamo_7
- Duclod, on 10/12/2007, -92/+292I bet he was tortured too...
- Topslakr, on 10/12/2007, -123/+102When being tortured people will say a lot of things... For all we know this guy is innocent of any wrong doing. I don't trust a damn thing this administration says much less anything that comes out of a torture facility... Just my 2 cents....
- Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -22/+180He admitted they did it to Al-Jazeera roughly 3 years ago. Did they torture him, too?
> 'Summoning every thread of experience and courage, I looked Khalid in the eye and asked: "Did you do it?" The reference to September 11 was implicit. Khalid responded with little fanfare: "I am the head of the al-Qaida military committee," he began, "and Ramzi is the coordinator of the Holy Tuesday operation. And yes, we did it."'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,906911,00.html - gallagherFTW, on 10/12/2007, -61/+15Later believable conspiracy theories.
Oh wait, now the government is going to start rumors that he was under duress and they planned the attacks to make them seem more powerful than they are..."The government planned 9/11!" lawwwwlll - daxsymbiont, on 10/12/2007, -42/+89can he still think and talk after years in there?
- twoof53, on 10/12/2007, -53/+27He also confessed to killing Nicole Brown-Simpson.
OJ really WAS innocent it turns out. - ametory, on 10/12/2007, -40/+13Why is Saddam's picture next to this article in yahoo,msnbc,nytimes? How did they know I am so stupid?
- theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -61/+52@topslakr and duclod
So you actually have evidence of torture in Gitmo! Holy *****, dude! Seriously, contact the papers, because you are the ONLY people on Earth that have that information! No one else anywhere, including the UN, the Red Cross nor even Amnesty International has been able to confirm what you state! - Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -29/+54Cue 9/11 truther denial & counterspin.
- Myko, on 10/12/2007, -25/+119He says he was tortured before and said a lot of things to the torturers at the time, but his confession here was not under duress (he also stated that in the report). Do you guys even read the articles?
- msikma, on 10/12/2007, -64/+93@duclod: well, yes. He confessed in Guantánamo Bay. He might as well have confessed to being the mastermind behind the holocaust. Regardless of whether the report states that he wasn't being tortured for this particular confession. I personally am so strongly against a place such as Guantánamo Bay that I consider this confession null and void.
- Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -37/+5@msikma: what goes on in gitmo stays in gitmo? we should put you in a camp
- 1021, on 10/12/2007, -28/+17"I bet he was tortured too..."
Yeah, and so was Jack and a whole bunch of diggers by their wives every week, well and often. Torture is painful, especially the household type.
"can he still think and talk after years in there?"
Apparently yes, if he can confess as described in the article. - saikhan, on 10/12/2007, -20/+94So... Is the war on terror over now?
- InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -41/+67@boredandold,
What? Who's supporting Al Quaeda?
Questioning human rights abuses =! supporting terrorism.
Thanks for parroting neocon doublespeak dude.
KSM is a terrorist. I don't support him or any other fundamentalist who wants to kill people. - nickerbocker, on 10/12/2007, -27/+10When you need someone to confess, just think WWJBD: What would Jack Bauer do?
- Intangir, on 10/12/2007, -46/+71see? torture works
watch now he will come forward with new info linking iran to 9/11 so we can attack them
and btw 'neo liberals' arent the ones supporting alquada, the CIA supports them
the CIA has supported them for over 20 years, it STILL IS.. the CIA started them, CIA assets run it.. osama was a CIA asset, also the bin ladens are family friends of the bushes.. its all a bunch of ***** guys - bcasper1, on 10/12/2007, -23/+60i find this admission suspicious on one note. His statement according to CNN.com is "I was responsible for the 9/11 operation, from A to Z". WHY would this guy who is probably a native to the middle east use the phrase A to Z? That is a very American thing to say. I'm American and i don't say that so why would this guy? just a thought
- elvenseven, on 10/12/2007, -21/+15It doesn't make any difference. We've already attacked them before we had any proof.
- iloveroundtable, on 10/12/2007, -23/+6"Confess that you were the mastermind of the attacks, but do not confess that the Bush admin funded the effort, or we will kill and rape your family and continue to beat you like a dog."
- Cerialthriller, on 10/12/2007, -16/+11obviously if you believe in human rights you are a terrorist. I mean any guy who thinks gay marriage should be allowed must love teh *****.
/sarcasm - dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -24/+51If I was tortured to the edge of my life, I'd confess to stabbing Jesus on the cross.
This is exactly the reason that America cannot be part of torturing. At least to the extent of trying to get confessions. If torture of prisoners leads to finding Bin Laden, or stopping further attacks, then, so be it. I can live with that. - gardnert1, on 10/12/2007, -16/+30the problem is that he also confessed to more than 30 other attacks, many of which he most likely didn't have anything to do with.
Lets not forget that while it is probable that he did plan 9/11 he could also be lying for some reason, like Moussoui did.
And one guy confessing to planning the attacks does not fill in the plethera of holes in the official conspiracy. - theblooms, on 10/12/2007, -24/+30@boredandold
They just keep repeating that ***** over and over. NO ONE ON EARTH has ANY evidence whatsoever of torture going on there. So they just keep repeating the lie, hoping it will be true, and hoping people will begin to believe it.
"Repetition is the lynchpin of propaganda." - Joseph Goebbels - doodlebumm, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Not that think he's innocent, but when you want your cause to continue, and you are caught, and you are asked if you did the dirty deed, why not confess and to throw suspicion away from the real culprit.
Personally I think he's guilty, but it could be he's confessing to so many things so that they will stop looking for the mastermind of other attacks because they think they've found the guy because he confessed. - jambox, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17Whether he already confessed to it or not, whether he was tortured or not, whether this or that - nobody was there except KSM (perhaps his lawyers) and the US armed forces, so there is no independent confirmation of what was or was not said.
These tribunals are nothing but kangaroo courts of the worst kind.
Gitmo is utterly illegal and the only reason the US gets away with sh1t like this is because of Catch-22:
"We have the right to do anything you can't stop us from doing". - Joseph Heller - bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8Of course everyone assumes he is innocent.
Would you guys believe anything at this point? Or is 9/11 still a conspiracy theory thing? - jambox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I don't believe it or not believe it - I just don't know for sure and this news doesn't add anything whatsoever.
If you swallow all this wholesale without even asking question, then you're seriously in need of an education. - hoppdawg, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8How much water boarding did it take to get that out of him?
- Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -24/+20Wow, there are some seriously ignorant people on here...
This guy was one of the heads of an international TERRORIST organization. FOR A LONG TIME.
How do you get to the top of a large terrorist organization? You kill a lot of people!
OF COURSE there was a long list of crimes that he could be attached to!
Oh, and to the people saying that we recently tortured the 9/11 confession out of him... he confessed to it when our soldiers arrested him!
Sheesh... I wonder if they sell Digg-brand tinfoil hats in the Digg store. I bet it would be a hot commodity. - thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22If he was truly tortured for this confession... don't you think they would have gotten it in less than three years????
- BruceDeuce, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Read and draw conclusions
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=110171&version=1&template_id=41&parent_id=23 - joe573, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20@ theblooms
Remember those pictures that came out that all those soldiers got in trouble for? The ones of the naked prisoners stacked in human pyramids and being humiliated in other ways? Yeah...thats not torture. Neither is water-boarding. Regardless of whether there is proof or not, you are completely retarded to think torture isnt happening down there. Idiot.
As far as your little quote : "Repetition is the linchpin of propaganda", look at this administration. Nobody does this better than them. - Birdoftruth, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14OMG OMG Loose change
- richlizard24, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@myko
Why would they read the story? That would just prove them absolutely wrong, as usual. - nestafett, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7To everyone who said no one has ever proved America has tortured people in Cuba, does a confession work?
http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/afx/2005/06/24/afx2110388.html
and forbes is not exactly left wing propaganda either.
that took me 15 secinds to find, you want more?
its widely known as fact what we do there. accept it. denying makes you look foolish
and richlizard,
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=8922974 - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"When being tortured people will say a lot of things... For all we know this guy is innocent of any wrong doing. I don't trust a damn thing this administration says much less anything that comes out of a torture facility... Just my 2 cents...."
Even though the information during torture is nor valid, he clearly was not tortured. He has said he is the mastermind on occasions when perfectly sane... - d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I'm on the side of sanity and the Rule of Law. Which side are you on?
- returnofmalv, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7"They just keep repeating that ***** over and over. NO ONE ON EARTH has ANY evidence whatsoever of torture going on there. So they just keep repeating the lie, hoping it will be true, and hoping people will begin to believe it."
Why else would they be taking prisoners to Cuba?
Most naive comments of the day award. - birkoph, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Sooo how much did they pay him to confess?
- Cleanlyness, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4hahha you anti-American ***** are hilarious! LOL
You're just jealous of US.
USA FTW - Skrilla360, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5This man was responsible for 9/11 and beheads an American.....
AND YOU ARE ***** WORRIED ABOUT HIM BEING TORTURED!!!!!
You ***** *****!!! This was proven BEFORE we had him in custody. I can't believe the pussies on this web site!!!
- hcmc, on 10/12/2007, -38/+164As I understand, they left out quite a lot -- he also confessed to being Donald Trump's barber, and doing the Hindenberg, and it was his idea to push the iceberg in front of the Titanic. He also took credit for global warming, and was the executive producer of the movie Ishtar (though of course the screen credits used a pseudonym, for obvious reasons.) "I da baddest sheik ever" he said.
Now that we have him, everything should be good from now on.- hater, on 10/12/2007, -6/+58To be fair, the baddest shiek ever was the Iron Shiek.
Thank god he didn't give the Camel Clutch to al-Qa'ida. - knupso, on 10/12/2007, -15/+9^ +1
- Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -45/+6really? do you have a link to that? all i heard about was his involvement with killing 3,000 americans on 9/11. i would like to read about these other things you say he confessed to
- habnab, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17@scrappy1850:
What are you 15 or something? Sheesh! - furryplanet, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5hcmc~ Great post!
- nomadxx7, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8I read the article and still don't believe it. Confes or cohersion? Sure he said that he wasn't being told to say anything but I'm pretty sure you could lie about that if you want. How about the tapes and letters from bin Laden? I think those would go a hell of a lot farther in making up my mind if he really was the mastermind versus what he said at a military tribunal in a prison that is known to torture people
- insomuchas, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6He also confessed to setting fire to the Reichstag, which helped propel the Nazi's to power ultimately resulting in the deaths of millions of people. Fry that son of a bitch!
- Thuktun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"cohersion" = cohesive coercion?
- diggingaround, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18
When another (after another) scandal rocks the White House ... like a firing of U.S. attorneys along the party loyalty lines,
The White House tactics is to use David Copperfield wave of the hand move:
"EVERYBODY LOOK OVER THERE!!! o my GOD he has confessed the 9/11!!!"
- JOjimBO, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Thats the problem with torture, it clouds any sort of information that one confesses to with a stink of possible misdirection.
Even if it is true, every bit of it, people will still be less willing to take a confession obtained under duress as fact due to the method of retrieval.
What we as a country need to do is get back into the infiltration business, good old spy games.
There is rarely better intelligence, you have to put individuals at risk but its the most assured information one can usually gather. Too bad it takes around 10-15 years to get an operative up to speed and in place before useful data begins to flow. Its also too bad that starting in the 70's under Carter's watch they pulled many of the programs that fostered human intelligence placement.
Instead today we take Americans that could feasibly fit in the mold of our enemies and put them on a no fly list. - paladin144, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@hcmc:
You left out some details, hcmc. It was actually KSM in collusion with Ron Jeremy (his long-lost brother):
http://weblog.timoregan.com/2007/03/ron-jeremy-confesses-to-masterminding.html - ClosedCaption, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Is he the one who shot JR?
- d00ley, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Yup. He shot JR, JFK and Lincoln. ***** terrorist bastard.
- skyfire1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This guy is a LIAR! I conducted 9/11! Lying piece of *****.
- hater, on 10/12/2007, -6/+58To be fair, the baddest shiek ever was the Iron Shiek.
- earlaiman, on 10/12/2007, -36/+8He's Muslim, you know. Maybe we can get him on the JC lynching; you know... that Middle East hippie carpenter they linched for peddling free fish and bread down by the lake?
Sparrow, who has been on Death Row for a long time now, asks if this guy admits to knowing ***** Robin, and did he actually owe him money?
A name check with NYPD also shows that he is wanted on four-thousand-six-hundred and thirty-two overtime and double parking citations, all unpaid.
- NeoRicen, on 10/12/2007, -37/+27While I am a firm believer that the 9/11 Attacks were NOT an inside job I sincerely doubt this will change anyone's mind on the matter. Not the hardest thing to fake.
Keep in mind I DON'T think they faked it but it's what the whackos will say.- extratwice, on 10/12/2007, -24/+24Hey cool guy, do your self a favor and research the events of that day.
Even before September 11 they would never let a guy that looked like this dude lurk around the trade centers rigging explosives for 3 controlled demolitions. You could be a genious criminal mastermind and you still couldn't come up with a way to covertly wire these highly over-engineered buildings with explosives.
This guys pulls off and masterminds the most high profile terrorist attack in history and says and supposedly has remorse:
“I’m not happy that 3,000 been killed in America,” he said in broken English. “I feel sorry even. I don’t like to kill children and the kids.”
I call ***** on this confession. - Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24did he say in his confession that he planted explosives? i only remember planes crashing into buildings. demolition rigging?
- babaki, on 10/12/2007, -16/+30i dont know why people digged this comment down. i cant believe there are still people who believe the inside job theory. its been discredited over and over.
- h00paj00, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15@babki: It makes them feel special in a way that they're parents never did. If they feel that they're above everyone else for knowing a "fact" that everyone else refuses to believe, then they feel special. It's all because their daddy didn't hug them enough (or DID hug them too much) that they feel the need to feel "better" than everyone else.
A conspiracy theory is one way for them to feel they're better than the "sheeple" they despise. - jambox, on 10/12/2007, -12/+9True, none of the conspiracy theories hold much water.
But after all of the theories, debunkings and so on, can you really put your hand on your heart and say that you know definitively who was responsible for 9/11?
All we have really is a group which claimed credit and the government accepting that at face value.
- extratwice, on 10/12/2007, -24/+24Hey cool guy, do your self a favor and research the events of that day.
- jfpwr, on 10/12/2007, -35/+88gotta love jail house confessions... if they keep torturing him , its only a matter of time until he confesses to killing laci peterson , screwing paris hilton in that video , putting that girl in kobe bryant's room , etc
- fugularity, on 10/12/2007, -19/+1@ extratwice buried for using "genious" when you meant "genius" There is "ingenious" and "genius" but there is no "genious"
- nbuster, on 10/12/2007, -25/+17For all the stupid f@cks that digg u up. BIN LADEN WAS NOT TORTURED, you morons! Yet HE CLAIMS RESPONSABILITY FOR THE ATTACKS!
I'm appalled by how stupid this is getting... - elvenseven, on 10/12/2007, -12/+8That fat Bin Laden confessed for sure.
- pujolsthebeast, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Well that's not picky.
- CLucas916, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3@jfpwr:
If you're going to use Chris Rock's joke, at least give him credit.
- jerryparid, on 10/12/2007, -24/+17I wonder what a already "dead" person will do? If I knew that I would be sentenced to death, I would also claim responsible for every single "glorious" deed.
- Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6why?
- citrusfizz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4***** why not? if you looked at as a criminal then you might as well be a notorious one
- westvaco, on 10/12/2007, -33/+24If the tortured him a little bit longer he would have confessed to killing JFK and Lincoln too.
- Homunculiheaded, on 10/12/2007, -27/+41Agreed, at face value this might look like "See torture does work!" but when you look at the incredible list of things he claims to be responsible for: 1993 bombing of the World Trade Cente, 2002 bombing of a nightclub in Bali, even the freaking shoe bomber... it's painfully obvious that these are torture confessions in which the amount of dissinformation/I'll say anything you want, makes all information retrieved essentially worthless. Aside from the issues of basic human rights torture is completely worthless to actually extracting any useful information, and in fact makes things worse since you now know absolutely nothing about the truth. The only purpose of torture is to assert power, and that's a pretty pathetic reason for a powerful nation to use it against an individual.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15You seem to have trouble believing one person could have orchestrated all of these events... why?
- habnab, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8... Is given unprecedented access to the Gitmo facility to check out torture claims...
Covers eyes, sticks finger in ears and starts mumbling "la la la la la la la la la la" ... Comes back to Democratic country, climbs into echo chamber with others that cannot be convinced with facts and claims torture is confirmed!
Receives tremendous round of golf claps for bravery in the face of unspeakable danger... - quakerorts, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5The FBI admitted in court that they supplied the truck and explosives for the 93 WTC bombing. It was basically a sting operation.
http://www.answers.com/topic/world-trade-center-bombing
Scroll down to the bottom of the article. - M4tt3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@noahhoward
Well maybe he's claiming to be the mastermind of all those, so the US stops looking in to it, and his friends are allowed to continue.
Some people don't narc on their friends. - jonpotz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@M4tt3r
When did the USA ever START looking into it...
Rather than go after the al-queada terrorist network...they attacked Iraq...wasted billions, killed thousands of our boys for no reason...
The people responsible for the attacks are still around and plotting, meanwhile we are in a quagmire in Iraq...
George Bush and Co. are al-queada's best friends.
- Jrogan, on 10/12/2007, -72/+10Breaking news Lee Harvey Oswald confessed to JFK assassination before he was shot!
9/11 was an INSIDE Job! We know it! They know it!- dshPls, on 10/12/2007, -8/+55If "we" includes everyone in the same block of your sanitarium, then you're correct.
- habnab, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10jrogan's daddy loans him the $$$ to buy a plane ticket (but it's coming out of your allowance mister!) and gives parental consent, jrogan then borrows mummy's car and takes flight to Pakistan to meet with bin laden & co. to obtain irrefutable evidence that Bush and the Jooooos orchestrated the 9/11 attacks......
Learns what torture truly is......
Parents and friends lament that he wasn't the sharpest tack in the box... - fintheman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Joe, I hope that isn't you !!
- 98percentcogdis, on 03/25/2008, -8/+2Really? An inside job? It was a Zionist job! Follow the money!
- RedHerringHack, on 10/12/2007, -11/+37I think maybe he could tell me where my car keys are.
- hmemcpy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+50He looks like a tortured Ron Jeremy :)
- fluidfoundation, on 10/12/2007, -23/+12Maybe he can tell us how he got all those high explosives in those building!
snoogins.- Maarek, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5He's claiming the 9/11 attacks, not blowing up the Quicker Stop.
Though I suspect they put his balls in a vice for another 2 years and they will get that out of him. - fluidfoundation, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10You mean "quick stop"?..... or is the quicker stop the one down ther road thats faster?..
- GALILEE77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3fluidfoundation- he's referring to an episode of the short lived Clerks TV show. An evil conglomerate opened up a "quicker" stop across the street from the original quick stop.
- Maarek, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5He's claiming the 9/11 attacks, not blowing up the Quicker Stop.
- ABadInAlbany, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36Dugg for not using the false cliche "BREAKING" in the title!
- ThisBlows, on 10/12/2007, -14/+12Why not throw in the Lindbergh baby kidnapping?
- sfacets, on 10/12/2007, -20/+22A confession under torture doesn't count. The guy probably just wants it all to end rather than have his head flushed down the toilet by the guards every day. Justice is served.
- pujolsthebeast, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11So, according to him, there was no torture (at least during one rendition of his confession), but all of you insist on harping about the torture issue? Read:
'But he said that his statements at the tribunal on Saturday were not made under duress or pressure." - mdmadph, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5and what apart the part deleted right after that?
- pujolsthebeast, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11So, according to him, there was no torture (at least during one rendition of his confession), but all of you insist on harping about the torture issue? Read:
- strand, on 10/12/2007, -28/+27Confession is completely worthless since he's been tortured.
- jonaphin, on 10/12/2007, -21/+14I think it's your post that's worthless... what's your big idea? ask him politely? give him some lollipops?
- strand, on 10/12/2007, -16/+18are you retarded? people will confess to anything to get away if the torture is bad enough. Much like women confessed to being witches and partying with the devil during the inquisition. Do you really need this explained? Man some people are stupid beyond belief.
- Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13when was he tortured? whats the evidence of this?
- jonaphin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/15/guantanamo.mohammed/index.html
Take this, on behalf of Daniel Pearl! God Rest his soul! That is torture! Ever watched the video?
So one thing i do agree on with you, some people are stupid beyond belief, that's true, you definitely proved your point there
- DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -16/+38I have proof that this confession is *****, I know for a fact that he was tor- hang on, there's someone at the door.
- seanieb, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2LOL :-)
- postitnote, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Well don't leave us hanging by our thumbs here...
- ElbridgeGerry, on 10/12/2007, -15/+8Jrogan, can you take your stupid baseless conspiracies somewhere that doesn't have such high stan -
Oh, wait, we're on Digg. Carry on. - Madhatter73, on 10/12/2007, -14/+32And here I was thinking it was Bin Laden... uh, I mean Saddam.... uh... aw hell, maybe we'll hear it's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad next...
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -16/+8People like you all seem to have really narrow thought patterns...
One person can confess to something and still be working under the orders of another person. - pujolsthebeast, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6And he was, according to the article.
- strand, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14We've always been at war with oceania.
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -16/+8People like you all seem to have really narrow thought patterns...
- notmark, on 10/12/2007, -6/+91He also confessed to this when he was arrested. This was written about in the Sept. 11th Commission report. This "new" confession is to get the Attorney General off the front page.
See 4th paragraph:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/14/AR2007031402102.html- edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29Smart comment and you are correct.
- DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Excellent observation. Thanks for the link.
- extratwice, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12classic
- TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5But..but....he HAD to be tortured!!!
- Disastermaster1, on 10/12/2007, -13/+17Does this mean we can call off the hunt for Osama now?
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -10/+33There was a hunt for Osama?
- noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12Why would it mean that? You caught the guy who planned the attack so you want to stop looking for the guy who ordered it? I don't think his confession separates him from his allies, as far as we know he was still working on Osama's orders. Or did you read something there that I missed?
- beerface, on 10/12/2007, -22/+4So it only took how many years for them to get him to say that?
Please... Al-CIAda "pulled" off 9/11.- Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10He confessed to it when he was arrested.
Zero years and zero torture.
- Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10He confessed to it when he was arrested.
- mizzoucat, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24So, Ron Jeremy was behind 9/11?
- schlongmeister, on 10/12/2007, -6/+46No, Ron Jeremy was behind Jenna Jameson.
- Flimnit, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5@DeskfFlyer
This is a very serious issue and I don't think it is appropriate to make ligh- hold on, my phone is ringing - Iccanui, on 10/12/2007, -19/+11I wonder how much abuse he has suffered and how much more he thinks he will escape by telling them what they wants to hear. This administration has myself personally so turned around, i cant believe a word of whats happening anymore. Its getting quite old.
But hey " mission accomplished " right ?- nightsweat, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14@boreandold - Yes, because that's obviously what this boils down to - trusting the government or trusting Al Qaeda.
You can't trust any confession given under torture. Period. Now turn off 24 and try reading a book. - nightsweat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8@boredandold - Again, a false dichotomy. There are more options than releasing or tuorturing.
Or maybe you believe we should torture you and your family to find out what you know about 9/11 and what ever else we can think of. See? I can play that game, too. Really annoying, isn't it? - nightsweat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7You SAY your family isn't part of Al Qaeda. I bet you after a few hours with the pliers and drill they'll admit they are.
Do you understand that? - jambox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I don't trust Bush or Bin-Laden. Not even the slightest bit.
Two sets of powerful, greedy liars with everyone else caught in the middle.
Twas ever thus....
- nightsweat, on 10/12/2007, -10/+14@boreandold - Yes, because that's obviously what this boils down to - trusting the government or trusting Al Qaeda.
- jstohler, on 10/12/2007, -8/+43The 9/11 report said this guy was a compulsive credit-taker.
- Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6reference? link?
- daxsymbiont, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6how can he still think and talk rationally after years in there?
- tituspullo71, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7like this guy was a rational thinker before..
- daxsymbiont, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1point
- TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5consider this confession was taking shortly after arrest, he could speak very rationally...
- M4tt3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@TubaTechno
The word [rational] and the word [terrorist], don't go well together. Unless you consider him sane?
- meshgiath, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22So far all of the talk has been about his motive being that he was tortured.... that somehow this was coerced out of him.
Consider a second possibility.
If you were an middle eastern Sunni Muslim in today's active religious-extremist climate, what nearly eternal fame would you gain in the Muslim Brotherhood community if you confessed to the killing of thousands of Americans?
He probably aided in planning the attacks, but ultimately since he didn't own up to it until now, he's a coward and he's self-centered. His concern is the fame - not what "Allah" wants.- nightsweat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Either way, is it reliable information?
- STKD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7He owned up to it when he was originally captured. It's invalid all the same, but it's not like he suddenly made this claim out of nowhere.
- EComni, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I agree. Whenever any terrorist attack happens, something like a dozen terror organizations claim responsibility. I think some people still think that Moussaoui didn't have anything to do with, well, anything, and is just some crazy looking for fame and martyrdom. Don't know if its true for KSM, but it's always a possibility when these crazy terrorists just seem like attention-seeking dipwads.
Either way, both will burn in hell quite crisply. - Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@meshgiath
Wrong -- he confessed to it when we arrested him.
Wow, so much wild speculation on this story, so little fact-checking. - meshgiath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Honestly, I could give a ***** less about someone claiming responsibility for 9/11. There were SEVERAL people/groups who claimed responsibility for 9/11 when it happened. That's what people/groups do when they realize their lives haven't produced anything worth a damn. They go out and claim to be responsible for things they deem important for which no real proof can be found. I'd prefer that America and the world move the hell on and stop whining about the past as if finding out who that ONE person is will make everyone feel better when he dies. There is NO ONE PERSON who masterminded 9/11 just like there was no ONE person who killed Jesus the Christ. This is the world we live in - grieve, learn, reflect on life before said event, then continue to live with the new knowledge you've picked up along the way.
- Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Nobody is saying that he did this all by himself, this was a team effort.
What he confessed to is that he saw the opportunity, came up with the idea, and pushed this "project" through whatever committee Al-Qaida has and got it done.
At the lowest levels, Al-Qaida says that their sleeper cells don't have a lot of communication with each other or the larger organization. But at the highest levels, the organization couldn't exist without some sort of coherent structure. So, as in any other organization, one person comes up with an idea, sells everyone else on it, brings the appropriate team members together, and guides it through to completion.
Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp? - jambox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5go ask the CIA, they'll know how Al-Qaeda works, since they set it up!
- Hendo, on 10/12/2007, -18/+24Man, I didn't realize so many Digger were complete nutjobs.
- demonotaku, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33Are you new here?
- Hendo, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14er Diggers...
- Hendo, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5No, just in denial.
- nightsweat, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Digger, please.
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -16/+11We'd rather see truth succeed over corruption.
The future will have peaceful muslims and peaceful democratic nations while the corrupt assholes like Bush, Bin Laden, Khalid, Cheney and Rumsfeld are given fair trials and inevitably found guilty of war crimes. - CypherXero, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9@bore
Are you even remotely aware of the ***** that the US Government is getting away with these days? I think not. - h00paj00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Things that annoy you.
D_GGERS
"DIGGERS!!!!"
No, I'm sorry it was DAGGERS... I think we need to cut to a commercial break.
*test pattern* - meshgiath, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@Hendo
Methinks you should visit this link:
http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Best_Slashdot_comment_ever
Hit the link, read, and learn. Welcome to the intarwebs!
- insomniacal, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6Of course he confessed! They tortured him into confessing!
The truth of the matter is that NO ONE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 9/11 ATTACKS. They were just an act of nature that Bush spun into a terrorist attack so he could take over the world.
Why does no one else see this?
(See how easy it is to sound like a 9/11 denier?)- Protean1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Man, and here the whole time, I thought it was an
international crime syndicate job, pulled off so they could
rake the Market for billions...
And everyone else was just taking advantage of a bad situation.
Boy, was I off-base.
- Protean1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Man, and here the whole time, I thought it was an
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -9/+43a nice, timely 9/11 headline. just when the administration needs people to forget the scooter trail and the firing of federal prosecutors.
- VhaidraU, on 10/12/2007, -10/+11What? There is some secret scooter trail the government is trying to cover up? Why is this not open to American scooter riders everywhere?
- sweetleaf10, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-275577066688213413
- orlyfactor, on 10/12/2007, -13/+19See? Torture works! He confessed to everything! He nailed the theses onto the door of the Church, he discovered America, and cured Polio. He's done it ALL!
- ChuckIT, on 10/12/2007, -9/+8is the war on terror over now?
- twinklyJesus, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10Yes, chuckit, and the war on stupid moonbats has begun! Run for your life, chuckit!
- twinklyJesus, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10Yes, chuckit, and the war on stupid moonbats has begun! Run for your life, chuckit!
- MBX1, on 10/12/2007, -17/+10wow, so "few" diggs and already on frontpage while the 911-truth articles have hundreds more and don't show up. very strange.
- ABadInAlbany, on 10/12/2007, -13/+13hahahahahahaha man, knowing that there are conspiracy whackjobs out there like you makes my life seem so much more ... pleasant and normal.
- scoobydoo84, on 10/12/2007, -16/+16@ABadInAlbany
The fact that there are so many people like you who will believe every word the gov't tells you and take it as gospel makes me realize that one doesn't need to live in a cave to be completely brain dead. The fact that actual evidence proves this govt has lied in the past to start wars and was willing to fake terrorism in the US to start a war with Cuba shouldn't matter to you. Bow before the gov't and keep drinking the koolaid.. - STKD, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9No honestly, thanks for the laughs. You 9-11 conspiracy fantasists are the new comedy gold.
Loose Change was the funniest film since "Did We Land on The Moon?". So please keep on with it.
- scoobydoo84, on 10/12/2007, -16/+18 YEAAAHHHHHHH, The Cool-Aid is flowing freeeeeelllllllyyyyyyy today. The first thing I did when I heard the news was go kneel before the pic of the great W.
Its amazing how every terrorist wants the world to know out of pride that they carried out bombings. Yet somehow Bin Laden first issued a denial after the WTC and it took KSM this long to confess. Bin Laden pulls off the greatest terrorist attack in history that makes him a hero in the Islamic world and yet his first thought is to deny it.
Pathetic doesn't describe this admin. How convenient that a little torture makes KSM confess right when this admin needs a huge diversion in the media from all the corruption exposure.
I believe this confession about as much as I believe OJ is still looking for the real killers!!! Just more *****- hmmmok, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4OBL denied it? Didn't he get W's memo? I think the CoolAid's in your hat. Need I say it's of tinfoil variety ?
- VhaidraU, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Personally in the hours after 9/11 when some Palestinian group took blame and bin Laden said he was not behind it we should have bombed the living hell out of that Palestinian group. I do wonder why bin Laden only took credit later on?
And this comes from a pro-Palestine woman. - scoobydoo84, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6@hmmmok
In case you had a cool aid hangover let me remind you. The first video tape UBL put out right after the attacks explicitly denied that he was behind the attack. Keep drinking the cool aid - davesbrain, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Bin Laden has always denied involvement with 9-11-01. The alleged confession tape doesn't even resemble Bin Laden.
I love how these things always occur at just the right time to deflect public criticism of politicians. - hmmmok, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@scoobydoo84
Yes I know. Then some time later he claimed responsibility after claiming Allah knocked down the buildings. But if OBL denies it--it's good enough for you.
Cheers. - scoobydoo84, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2@hmmmok
You should believe OBL, after all he was one of the best friends this govt ever had. And since people like you worship this govt why shouldn't you believe all its friends. Birds of the same tarred feather flock together!!!
- hmmmok, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5I "worship" the government? Whatever.
Do you worship a sheepf*cker? - scoobydoo84, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5@hmmmok
I just despise people who act like sheep when their govt is f*$%^&* them. Are you enjoying it nice and deep??? - Livewire, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Does anybody remember John Mark Karr? Confessions should be taken with a grain of salt, and maybe some fresh ground pepper too.
From the article:
"Mohammed took responsibility for the attacks on New York and Washington in an interrogation detailed in the Sept. 11 commission's report. But his appearance before the tribunal at Guantanamo Bay marked the first time since his March 2003 arrest that he was allowed to make an extended statement that was not delivered to interrogators."
Why would they wait 4 YEARS to make this headline news? Oh, right, this looks bad if it made front page news:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/14/america/NA-GEN-US-Attorney-General-Prosecutors.php
the gov holds info like this until they need to cover up crap that they do. This is BS. The media needs to focus on the NEW in news - Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Kool... with a K
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6Hrrm, to all you that say he was tortured for this confession...
Were you a part of the interrogation? Did you get inside info on the methods? Are you a mind reader?
Could it just be that he wanted to actually finally take credit for all he's done? - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Oh yes I'm sure they tortured this re-confession out of him. They also thought it'd be a good idea to make him confess to feeling bad about it, that way he would look like less of a horrible monster which would justify more attack... oh wait... no that's counterproductive isn't it?
Wake up you drooling morons. He's confessed before, I don't know why they bothered asking again. - edrift101, on 10/12/2007, -12/+10Torture a man long enough and he'll tell you whatever you want to hear. Especially when it's convenient for Bush's White House.
- Pottersquash, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3So? Who cares? Are we really only looking for the planner of the attack? I thought we were trying to take out a terrorist faction that sits around and thinks up this kinda stuff, we were only looking for one guy???
- joshman5k, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1No body is saying the war is all over. But don't you think it is a good start?
- nightsweat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Well I think we'd like to catch the guys who carried out the plot, but most of them are buried in Fresh Kills with the rest of the Towers.
- Tyr7BE, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Quick! Put him in detainment!
*sigh* - joshman5k, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I'll be the first to think he should be hanged, drawn, and quartered. But it really does take away from the integrity of his statements.
- bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1How many killers would a killer killer kill if a killer killer did kill killers?
- kounavi, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21If i were in guantanamo, I'd confess to numerous things
- WilliamTanksley, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Why would that be? Would the meals break you, or the obsequious treatment by the guards? Perhaps the free health care?
- Soldan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Well I am sure he had a part in the process....but years spent in the gitmo gulag...would make most people say anything...I am sure..
since you know our stance on torture. is this story just one to divert attention from Alberto Gonzales ... I am wondering if any one in the bush administration is not corrupt or immoral... who's next the Sec of Education? - Pootle4rthur, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12It's amazing what someone will confess to once you've nearly drowned them repeatedly, and forced them to endure sensory and sleep deprivation in the name of freedom and liberty.
I wonder if they can get him to cough up to the JFK assassination, and to being one of the bastards that killed Bambi's mother - D1STORT, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15I only wish that his "confession" were reliable. Fact is that he admitted to being tortured, and his confession came out during a secret military trial, the transcripts of which were released only after certain "sensitive" material was blacked-out. Sure he said that his confession was not made under duress, but he could be tortured into saying that too. It sucks that the practices of our interrogators, and the way we conduct these trials, casts such a deep shadow of doubt on the whole affair that the confession gives me no sense of closure.
- laterallateral, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6The U.S. administartion works for itself and no one else.
It does so at the detriment of whatever gets in it's way and this includes it's main financeers, the American people.
This has been proven time and time again. I just don't understand how it can be dismissed, at least that it's possible that the're
responsible for the attacks. I guess alot of pop media and years of ***** nationalist propaganda crammed up your ass will make
this harder to look at. Time to wake up now. - ThisBlows, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Dude's got an ego. Who would want to remain on the list of 500 number 2 men captured?
- mercness, on 10/12/2007, -9/+7you nutjobs, your run away hatred for the president won't even let you enjoy the fact that they have a confession of a mass murderer
- davesbrain, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5And your run away hatred of Muslims allows you to bask in this, feel free to enjoy yourself as you abandon your humanity.
- pseudosoma, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3If he confessed 3 years ago, why is this news now?
- Protean1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Bush is nothing more than a minor Don in the Syndicate.
He's a rather straightforward criminal, just like Clinton was (is).
When you elect a good, honest man, go ahead and praise him all you want.
But when one side things a guy is God, and the other side thinks he's Satan,
then you should step back and take a good, long look at the situation.
- danconia, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2Woohoo guys! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
... again.
If he confessed to these things back when he was arrested then you're telling me it took years of torture and taxpayer money to get him to confess to something he already confessed to? Who is his interrogator? Kelly Ripa? - Xandrake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5That dude is wearing a sweater under his tee shirt!
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