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- inactive, on 03/29/2009, -5/+164Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
- pintomp3, on 03/29/2009, -8/+127Good. You can't protect this country by destroying everything it stands for.
- inactive, on 03/29/2009, -8/+103Here's an interesting twist: because of the US's public support of rendition, we've implicitly acknowledged that Spain now has the right to send agents into this country and snatch these guys off the street.
I can't think of a better "chickens coming home to roost" situation. - Azimuth1, on 03/30/2009, -5/+50"Investigating magistrate Baltasar Garzon"
That is a bad ass name. - CosmicSurfer, on 03/29/2009, -7/+47GOOD - they are guilty of crimes against humanity...what better venue to deal with them than an international court? I am sure they will get more justice than they gave
- hankthedwarf, on 03/29/2009, -10/+50Oh shut up.
- superfusion, on 03/30/2009, -8/+42This awesome-named judge, Baltasar Garzón, is principled. It doesn't matter what side you're own; if you fly airplanes into buildings or torture people, he sees that as bad.
Well, good. - jaythree9, on 03/30/2009, -3/+32Next step: The Hague.
- rprouse, on 03/30/2009, -1/+28Or maybe Spain will just send unmanned armed drones into the US to assassinate people suspected of committing crimes.
- CosmicSurfer, on 03/29/2009, -7/+28No, nobody expects another "Spanish Inquisition" since Bush, Cheney and their cabal already USED the tactics of the Grand Inquisitor on the detainees. I am sure Spain would be much more humane than that cabal of war criminals were towards those held in Gitmo and other Black Sites
- inactive, on 03/30/2009, -5/+23Spain has ever right to investigate all the actions of the Bush Adminstration, 9/11, and the war on terror. Remember Madrid 2004 and the train bombing!
- rewinn, on 03/30/2009, -1/+17The Convention Against Torture grants universal jurisdiction over the crime of torture.
Normally, the home country would have first crack against the torturer and if it chooses to give a good-faith prosecution (which may or may not succeed) then other tribunals give way.
Cheney and company should decide whose courts they prefer: ours or someone else's. - inactive, on 03/29/2009, -4/+19Win.
- apzdsx, on 03/30/2009, -3/+18Yeah, except for:
"Six Bush-era officials responsible for crafting the legal justifications permitting the military prison at Guantanamo Bay are the subject of a potential Spanish criminal probe which could place the men under serious risk of arrest if they travel outside the United States."
So they're stuck in the US. - AmazingSteve, on 03/30/2009, -6/+19Please do and get over yourselves. Bet you never batted an eyelash about spending $60 million going after Clinton for a blow job.
- ironiridis, on 03/30/2009, -1/+13I would have also accepted "xenodouche".
- Kyzzyxx, on 03/30/2009, -3/+14You claim to be a patriot (as your nick suggests) and you are against this? You DO realize your hypocrisy, right?
- Travelsonic, on 03/30/2009, -0/+9"PLEASE. It's time to move on."
And let this set a precedence? No way in hell. - VeryBoredNow, on 03/30/2009, -5/+12I stoped reading your comment at "...I fear," you uber-douche.
- geodebug, on 03/30/2009, -2/+9brilliant
- alexanEmpire, on 03/30/2009, -1/+8I didn't expect this kind of Spanish Inquisition!
- superfusion, on 03/30/2009, -1/+8it could mean they cannot leave their country for the rest of their life. and it would be quite a powerful deterrent against anyone who breaks international law.
- geodebug, on 03/30/2009, -6/+13Sooner or later one of these dominos will actually land on someone in the Bush administration.
Sooner or later. - rewinn, on 03/30/2009, -0/+6Your ignorance is understandable. Torture is a universal crime; all nations have jurisdiction and, under the Convention Against Torture, a DUTY to prosecute.
Now, you may argue that we have the military force to prevent Spain from prosecuting criminals. Are you willing to fight to protect Cheney from a fair trial? - greendalek, on 03/30/2009, -0/+6I want an Escape Goat. Sounds like the perfect addition to my farm.
- alexanEmpire, on 03/30/2009, -4/+9Hmmm....I've seen better trolls than you.
- TBagwell, on 03/30/2009, -2/+7good luck with that.
- NJank, on 03/30/2009, -0/+5leave Scott out of this.
- TheSwashbuckler, on 03/30/2009, -2/+7Nearly everyone expects the Bush Inquisition...
- inactive, on 03/30/2009, -5/+10***** bush and his cronies, send the losers to jail.
- JumpingJack79, on 03/30/2009, -1/+6What makes the pres. of Sudan a "TRUE" war criminal, while Bush is what, a "FALSE" one?
Both have started illegal wars. Is there another criterion? - Kyzzyxx, on 03/30/2009, -0/+4It's 'scapegoat'.
Also, the term is scot-free. It has nothing to do with Scotland or Scottish people either.
Sceot is the Old English for "a tax." 'Scot and lot' was a old municipal tax levied on residents. Someone who managed to avoid paying this tax was said to have got off "scot free." - dsmith9999, on 03/30/2009, -1/+5Bush and co. should be tried because the argument against them is true: THEY INSTITUTED LAWS AND PRACTICES THAT CONDONED TORTURE. end of story.
- jeffbw, on 03/30/2009, -0/+4He probably caused it. Al Qaida was pretty much dead before the Little Imbecile let them fly airplanes into our buildings in 2001, and then gave them an invasion of an Arabic country as a recruiting poster. Prior to 2001, al Qaida had been been rebuffed by the Algerians after many years of work there, and were pretty much in their last throes.
- digg4peace, on 03/31/2009, -0/+4Rule of Law and presumptions of innocence in high regard...what a concept...what if we were to start a whole country on that concept...oh wait...
- MrPlatypus, on 03/30/2009, -0/+4The justice system is like a giant or a troll meandering toward you. They're usually slow, but you're ***** if they manage to get to you.
- maz2331, on 03/30/2009, -0/+4Prosecutions in the US are performed by the executive branch (US attorneys, Attorney General, etc.) and the courts only hear the case.
- Coven, on 03/30/2009, -1/+5Dude, you got beat to it by 23 hours and 8 minutes.
- alappat1, on 03/30/2009, -0/+4@solid, well Bush's actions reflects upon the rest of western civilization and might actually make a difference in the policies of many first world countries (if they are as principled as they think they are). There is also a large issue of one of their own people getting tortured in gitmo?
The Sudan president has the UN to come after him. The UN wouldn't come after Bush even if he committed mass murder because most of their funding comes from US and other governments. - butterpat, on 03/30/2009, -0/+4Why do people say that it's up to Obama to "allow" an investigation of Bush? I'm asking because I'm not familiar with the US way of doing these things. It seems to me that prosecution should come from the legal system, not the political system. Can someone please explain?
- bisforxbeauty, on 03/30/2009, -3/+7PUT BUSH IN PRISON ALREADY!!!!!
- fedja, on 03/31/2009, -0/+4Did you stand against the indictment of Milosevic as well? When international law is broken, war crimes committed, someone has to stand up to it. The very reason international law exists is to force itself on ***** governments that refuse to try their own citizens for grave international crimes.
Instead of whining about jurisdiction, maybe you should complain about why the US hasn't locked the ***** up already. - VeryBoredNow, on 03/30/2009, -0/+4And you are almost funny
- AvangionQ, on 03/30/2009, -1/+5[REPEAT POST] Torture has long since been recognized as a counterproductive and highly illegal method of interrogation ... torture will make people scream, beg, plead, lie, falsely confess -- but not necessarily tell the truth, especially if they don't know the answer; anything to make the pain and torment stop ... and worse yet, the information they give cannot be trusted to be true, and wastes prodigious amounts of man-hours investigating just to find groundless conclusions ... not to mention, as a further deterrent to prevent governments from exercising their futility, torture was declared as a war crime by the United Nations ... seems that multiple Bush Administration officials and the C.I.A. have a *lot* to answer for!
- charm803, on 03/30/2009, -2/+6Like, I totally, like, know what you mean.
Like, the other day, like, I was driving, right? So I had a few drinks and stuff, and I crashed into a car. I mean, sure, I totally wrecked their car and gave the driver a broken leg and stuff.
But I mean, like it happened already, he should totally move on and stuff. I think like, he's just so obsessed with me and doesn't leave me alone.
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In all seriousness, it's not an obsession, zmigliozzi. It's called being accountable for the destruction of everything he has done.
Can you tell the families of the people who died at the hands of Bush that they should just move on and get over it? I mean, who cares if someone died, right? Right? - inactive, on 03/30/2009, -2/+6Spamming your unrelated ***** = dugg down and reported, have a nice ban
- SarcasticPirate, on 03/31/2009, -2/+5What's with idiots randomly ***** on France?
- Aroundtown27, on 03/30/2009, -2/+5I don't think the ramifactions would be that great. The rest of the world is interested in going after the corrupt officials in America. If the U.S. wont do it, then someone else will. Don't forget just how unpopular the Bush administration is the world over.
- jeffbw, on 03/30/2009, -0/+3Right... we're international outlaws.
- fedja, on 03/31/2009, -0/+3That would be uncivilized. Last I checked, Spain still held the rule of law and presumptions of innocence in high regard.
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