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Jokela, Finland School Shootings: Society Blames Others For Its Illness
anus.com — When Pekka-Eric Auvinen shot up his high school, he was sending a message with his self-sacrifice. It's a message that adults should heed, since ignoring problems has gotten us global pollution, climate change, political instability, ghettoes, a culture dominated by moronic television and music, constant ethnic strife, and so on. The list goes on.
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- Conservationist, on 11/09/2007, -3/+3Yet another teenager today tried to awaken a numb world with the sacrifice of himself and several other students, this time in southern Finland for that country's first school shooting1. He opened fire at his high school, killing eight people and wounding ten, before police surrounded the building and presumably took him out.
You are expected to stand there open-mouthed and wonder aloud, "But how could anybody do this? Why would they do this?" but this feeble cover is really no longer anything but transparent. We know why they do it: teenagers are the people who have not yet inherited an adult world that is totally dysfunctional, and so they often reject it through suicide and/or removal of a few of the most troublesome obstructions they encounter.
http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/jokela/- r3bol, on 11/09/2007, -4/+4He's a murderer, not a martyr.
- AlexBirch, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4You condemn his act without properly understanding his motives?
That sounds very ignorant to me.
- AlexBirch, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4You condemn his act without properly understanding his motives?
- Red_Eye, on 11/11/2007, -2/+2Wow you sound very sympathetic to his cause. I certainly hope that someone checks out your blogs and thoughts...
The kid was a nut, you do no effect sociological change by extinction, execution or genocide. The only way to change is gradual and from the inside of the whole.- Promethian, on 12/14/2007, -0/+1Maybe, but surely at least SOMETIMES the best solution is running into a mall/tvstation with a bomb strapped to you and takes as many unthinking people as possible.
- r3bol, on 11/09/2007, -4/+4He's a murderer, not a martyr.
- joanzh, on 11/09/2007, -2/+1You mean to say this is the video everyone is talking about?!
http://videos.qweki.com/8b9e52bdec5f1b255f27 - namochan, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1I've read the manifest and tried analyzing a while. To the point of "natural selection" part he has thoughts that seem to make sense in some way. I'm certain that this is going to change something, for the worse or the better. I understand his point, but in no way agree to what he's done. There are many other ways to change the world, his way changes so little yet sacrifices so much. If he really was so intelligent that he think he is, why didn't he think another way. Educate people about not passing bad genes to their children or something. Randomly killing few young people form your school is wrong, and very stupid.
There are 2 ways to go from here. More control over young peoples doings (they're talking even about filtering the internet), or more freedom and someone to listen to their problems. - AlexBirch, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3I partly agree.
Yes, his ideas were correct, not, his deed was not optimal. The reason to why I use the word "optimal," is because nothing is "wrong" or "right" in a binary sense. Seeing how this world looks like, it's impossible to condemn him for what he did and I'm not sure morality solves anything, other than to make the passive-aggressor look good in public debates.
I think society needs new design and new direction. "Freedom" and "totalitarianism" won't solve it. We need to find consensus on heathy values. Pekka-Eric refers to Plato, Nietzsche, Stalin and Hitler. Seems like he was aware of the same thing but felt that he'd crossed the limit and had to do something.
Let's not condemn anything or anyone but to look at this situation realistically. Why do we cry over this? Because, like Pekka-Eric says, we're afraid of death. How can we be so ignorant of our own destiny?- namochan, on 11/09/2007, -2/+1It's funny how there is no right or wrong but there is justice and destiny? It's like not believing in fairies but believing in elves. He didn't care about humanity, yet he was ready to sacrifice himself for it? He wanted to kill everyone but also pick the fittest.
He will be remembered by his actions, not by his thoughts.
- namochan, on 11/09/2007, -2/+1It's funny how there is no right or wrong but there is justice and destiny? It's like not believing in fairies but believing in elves. He didn't care about humanity, yet he was ready to sacrifice himself for it? He wanted to kill everyone but also pick the fittest.
- AlexBirch, on 11/09/2007, -0/+4You confuse ideals with mortality.
We will all die; anyone who cannot get over this is dysfunctional and a part of the modern disease.- namochan, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1I understand that we all die, and accept it. I haven't had a problem with it since I was 6. It's just that it's different thing if you die by a maniac who has built up angst and problem with the system than dying by "natural" means or by accident. Kids aren't a part of the system yet, they could have become something I'd like to call "good". People who respect each other and people who make things better.
It's kind of annoying when people come up with so many problems with the system and what-not, but no real solutions.- AlexBirch, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3I agree. I don't think anyone here glorifies what happened; we're trying to understand it as an inevitable product of this failed system. Pekka-Eric seemed to be aware of that, by reading his manifesto, which in itself should be credited. A pity he couldn't go on and maybe join up with a sensible anti-modern organization like corrupt.org instead.
- namochan, on 11/09/2007, -1/+1I understand that we all die, and accept it. I haven't had a problem with it since I was 6. It's just that it's different thing if you die by a maniac who has built up angst and problem with the system than dying by "natural" means or by accident. Kids aren't a part of the system yet, they could have become something I'd like to call "good". People who respect each other and people who make things better.
- Gruumsh, on 11/09/2007, -0/+3It should be alarming for the modern society to see this school shooting happen in a peacefull and developed (in an economic sense) country like Finland; this can happen anywhere, regardless of the country in question because the media, corporations who own it (nevermind the cliche sounding sentence) and modern society is corrupted in many levels and these things will occur more frequently in the future. Things will reach a boiling point.
- AtnhonyT, on 11/09/2007, -1/+0In Liverpool in the UK we have had a 13 year old shoot an man and burn is body in a bonfire and filmed him at the same time. For fun. The amount of gun crimes with younger people i sincreasing all the time the legacy of late democratic modernity and freedom to do what we like....
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