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- nevesis, on 10/12/2007, -41/+272I was considering McCain for '08 until recently when he began pandering for the religious right.
- noodlez, on 10/12/2007, -21/+143i respected the man until he started gearing up for his campaign a year or two ago and threw away all of the things i respected him for.
- baxtermaddux, on 10/12/2007, -16/+119Vote for Separation Of Church and State In 2008
- scottjw, on 10/12/2007, -6/+72McCain's flip floppiness is making John Kerry look like a good old oxford brogue.
- justinforeman, on 05/02/2009, -10/+75Look at McCain's record. He'll do or say anything to get elected. He's a grade A whore.
- nimski, on 10/12/2007, -7/+61I'm all for it if they outlaw divorce also... Let's get this country back to 1830 as fast as possible.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -16/+64How about voting for limiting federal power and permitting each individual state to decide what is best for their citizens?
- numptydumpty, on 10/12/2007, -8/+55Someone needs to read Freakonomics....
The author of that book reveals how Roe Vs Wade ended up having the largest impact on the iner-city crime spree of the 1980s-90s. Fascinating book too - OneZeroZeroOne, on 10/12/2007, -4/+44Dear World,
Roe v. Wade was not about legalizing abortion.
Roe v. Wade was about protecting a woman's right to privacy.
Read the legal brief for the case.
Sincerely,
Me - nonchai, on 10/12/2007, -13/+51its funny how the rabid right always wants to fight for a "small" state, and against a powerful government..... unless it is in the cause of defending some
of their right wing religious principles - in which case it OK to use the powerful state to enforce their fundamentalist will on those "liberals".
Time to seperate church from state. No lunatic should ever be let into the whitehouse again.
McCain is turning out to be as much of a nut job as the rest of them. - ghoest, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40Because you know ever since it was legalized, it's been like a fetal holocaust in america.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31Wow! ...is he actually trying to not get elected again? I had no idea he wasn't running.
- Anrkist, on 10/12/2007, -29/+54Yeah, he seemed to be a good middle of the road candidate for much of the Bush presidency.. shame.
- JosephTHogan, on 10/12/2007, -34/+56Abortion really isn't a religious issue at all... just because many if not most religions are against it does not make it so. Also, for you it may be one issue but for some it may be the most important issue. The right to life vs the life to take life is just as great an issue as Korea and we most certainly deal with it in our everyday lives.
- saska, on 10/12/2007, -4/+25"Do you honestly think he could get this overturned?"
The president, in case you missed the memo, nominates and appoints Supreme Court justices. If he feels strongly about it, he doesn't have to get it overturned in his term in office, he can just lay the groundwork and follow in the footsteps of Bush.
Maybe he's just sucking up to the religious right and he really doesn't feel strongly about it, but I'm not sure I'm willing to take that chance.
And weren't Republicans supposed to be in favor of smaller government and more state rights of determination? - Jwoey, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26@kypen
Im not entirely disagreeing with what you said, but I take issue to you referring to Roe v Wade as a simple issue. To many of the people in this country its far more important than Iraq, Iran, North Korea, etc. - CokeBear, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21@MikeDawg:
You should check out the Presidential Candidate Selector here: http://www.selectsmart.com/plus/select.php?url=08frontrunners
Indicate your views on the various issues and how important they are to you, and you can find out which candidates agree with you the most. I find it far more useful and productive than simply voting for or against a person based on personality, looks, color, gender, or any other irrelevant or superfical characteristics. - gallagherFTW, on 10/12/2007, -20/+39It's not just a religious thing.It shouldn't be a Constitutional issue, it should be a state issue. Same thing with gay marriage/civil unions. However McCain is pandering to the religious republicans. It's too bad, the last thing republicans need is another zealot.
- SammyJr, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24@aw2131
Killing is wrong? Then why are the right wing nuts so eager to start wars and execute every criminal in prison? - CraigB12, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Yes, because what could be better for the country than another religious fanatic. I refuse to even take anyone seriously that says "Gay marriage is a threat to the American Famliy."
- MikeDawg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17@kypen
I do just the opposite of what you're suggesting. I pick several, usually around 5 or so (may depend on what issues are current, etc.) issues that are very important to me, and I pick the candidate that supports what I believe in on those issues, and what I *believe* will be for "the good of the country". I have some very differing ideas, some towards socialism, some towards the conservative, and some towards the liberal. I pick which candidate that is most in line with what I believe in on those issues that I have decided are the utmost of importance to me, and I pick who I am going to vote for.
Some long standing issues that I always choose:
abortion (I have a leftist view, pro-choice)
gun control (I have a rightist view)
health care (I have more of a socialist-type view)
social security (partly socialist, partly rightist type view)
Recent issues:
War in Iraq (war in all foreign lands for that matter)
Domestic policy
Economy
Energy policy (incl. automobiles, etc.) - gamabunta, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17He's been flip-flopping for a while; nothing new here.
A list of his flip- flops:
http://thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9541.html - fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14From way up the thread... Gay marriage should not be a state issues just as mixed race marriage should not be a state issue.
- gethane, on 10/12/2007, -10/+23I have 5 children (1, 3, 12, 14, 15), many of them "mistimed." And I chose to have every single one of them by carrying them to term.
However, I was married with each conception. I have a college degree. I own a home. My parents and in laws are available for support. I love all my children and am so glad I had each and every one of them. They each brought something different to my life.
It's not MY place, nor is it YOUR place to decide that since having a baby was a great thing for you, was the right thing to do for YOU (or rather your breeding partner), that it surely must be the same way for every single woman on the planet.
When men have laws regulating what medical procedures can and can't be done to their body, for their health, then we can talk about whether or not abortion should be legal. Until such time, if you have a dick, shut the ***** up. - greevar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Right, and what about rape victims that became pregnant? Is it fair to force them to have a child that was created in part by a cruel and sick human being, being a constant reminder of what horrible act was performed on her? I think not. As far as I'm concerned, as long as that fetus is in a woman's body, it's HER body and if she feels that the child is a threat to her way of life, then she has the right to abort the child. This world is overpopulated as it is. Why should we force women to have children before they are prepared to bring it into the world? I look forward to having my first child, but I don't want to bring a child into the world that I can't raise and I don't want some stranger raising my own flesh and blood.
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16conservative view:
Life is only precious until it's born.
Hmmmm. - apzdsx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Next up: Lawrence v. Texas
What I hate about candidates like McCain is that they don't have a consistent stance on anything. They change their positions to whatever is most beneficial to them at the time so you never really know where they stand on issues.
Hillary also falls into this category in my opinion. - Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@saska -- *Conservatives* are supposed to believe in states rights and limited centralized government. Republicans, as defenders of the duopoly, want to use the powers of big government to buy votes with pandering social policies that run counter to their stated ideology. On the other hand, if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned, abortion would not be outlawed on a federal level overnight. It would go back to the states. As much as I'm pro choice, I think this would be the best thing for the country. The blue states would all protect the practice, and red state residents would see that an abortion ban doesn't create some kind of utopian Kingdom of Christ in which pregnant teenagers start Jesus-loving nuclear families instead of hopping a bus to Minnesota or using a wire hanger. The negative consequences of state-level abortion bans would demonstrate the pragmatic necessity of the practice's legality. In addition, Roe v. Wade would cease to be a polarizing boogeyman that steals votes from otherwise decent candidates on both sides (but mostly Democrats).
- loup, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I know very few people that actually march around, carrying signs that read "Get an abortion now!!!." I believe that the liberal point of view on this is that it should be your own choice if you get an abortion or not.
- mikelieman, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20You must have missed this little thing that happened about the spring of 1861...
- pintomp3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12i'm not so sure about that. women who happen to live in a backwards state would end up losing the right to decide what happens with their body.
- Judicata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Roe v. Wade didn't legalize abortion - it required abortion to be legal. Roe held that women have a Constitutional right to have an abortion. If it were overturned, states would decide whether to make it legal or illegal, unless the federal government passed legislation banning it or requiring it.
- Daolohua, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Regardless of how I feel on the abortion debate, whats more important here to me is McCain's lack of political principles as of late. It seems he'll do or say anything to get elected, contrary to how he was acting a few years ago.
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11It's right next to the words "Speed Limit" and "Fair Use"
What? They're not in the constitution? I guess that makes I can drive as fast as I want, but I can't watch a DVD.
The Constitution isn't, nor was it ever meant to be the totality of law in the United States. - JDoggqx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@Joe
Does that go for victims of rape that had made a decision, but had somebody else's will forced upon them? - TooLoftheDeviL, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16It's sad, a moderate (and to me, more sane) member of either party probably won't be elected without catering to the "us vs. them" party line attitude.
- maximthegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8So infants with tae sachs (spelling?) should be allowed to suffer and then die anyway? We treat animals
better than we treat people. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11""Do NOT kill terrorists. Do NOT kill animals for fur. Do NOT kill animals for meat. Do NOT kill convicted murderers. DO KILL unborn babies.""
Hey moron, abortion rates are highest in many red states. New England has the lowest abortion rates in the country and is also the most liberal which proves you are an idiot! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9This is a desperate grab at right wing voters. He just lost the presidential bid.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I got this from http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/19/mccain-abortion/ because i thought this was a bit out there for mccain to say
MCCAIN: I don’t think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take place, but I do believe that it’s very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should — could overturn Roe v. Wade, which would then return these decisions to the states, which I support.
STEPHANOPOULOS: And you’d be for that?
MCCAIN: Yes, because I’m a federalist. Just as I believe that the issue of gay marriage should be decided by the states, so do I believe that we would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states. And I don’t believe the Supreme Court should be legislating in the way that they did on Roe v. Wade.
then i checked out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v_wade and although I support the abortion right as it stands (i believe a right inalienable to women), I also agree with the dissenting opinions of former chief justice rehnquist and justice white that the privacy argument is weak and fairly unsubstantiated by the constitution. Rehnquist put it like this: "To reach its result, the Court necessarily has had to find within the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment a right that was apparently completely unknown to the drafters of the Amendment." McCain makes the same argument that White does (from the wiki link) - aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Here are the most recent numbers I could find for abortions.
Year 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000
Total abortions 1,211 1,222 900 884 862 857
Yeah, real holocaust.
Go ahead and compare that to gun deaths, car accidents resulting in a fatality, people who die of pneumonia, people who die of heart attacks, etc. Abortions are a red herring the right uses to scare up support. "Vote against abortion and gay marriage or you'll burn in hell!" seems to be the only way they can get elected. - g30ph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9well I sure as ***** wont vote for Hillary.
Is it just me or does it seem like our options for a decent candidate get worse every 4 years? - sgbooth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@gerz1219: Good points, however the problem with overturning Roe v. Wade is that, assuming half the states outlaw abortion, people who want abortions will just go to a neighboring state that allows abortions. As a result, anti-abortion states will attempt to outlaw travel to another state for certain purposes. So, in the end, there will be tension no matter what the states decide. Secondly, overturning Roe v. Wade is just one step toward what the religious really wants: overturning Griswold v. Connecticut and invalidating one of the most sweeping rights that we have (the fundamental right to privacy).
The liberal position is best stated as this: mind your own $#$%#@# business. - Oxygen, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14Unless we get some new Justices in the Supreme Court, Roe v. Wade will not be overturn anytime soon.
And Hopefully Leahy will follow Specter in refusing to appoint anyone who would overturn Roe v. Wade. - SteelChicken, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11McCain is one of those guys who seems smart and reasonable and middle of the road until its time to run and has to open his mouth and say stupid crap.
I think the last few weeks the things he has said has basically sunk his chances. Obama at least is smart enough to keep quiet, but I would like to know more about him and his views. - solfood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7McCain, gearing up for the "Straight Talk Express" in 1999:
"[C]ertainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."
And now, gearing up for the "***** Express," yesterday:
"I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned," the Arizona senator told about 800 people in South Carolina, one of the early voting states.
McCain also vowed that if elected, he would appoint judges who "strictly interpret the Constitution of the United States and do not legislate from the bench."
I think the base refers to that as a flip-flop. McCain is an ***** who will lie and say anything to get the nomination. Expect more lies and flip-flops in the coming months. - SammyJr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The gay marriage ban is stupid. If a couple wants to get married, its not like its any of my business.
The helmet law makes sense though. It costs money to scrape brains off the road and if you survive? Very costly care. Helmet laws save money. Or at least that's what a few EMTs have told me. :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11The man is more of a puppet than Bush. He will do anything to win including lying feverishly to the American people to get elected.
The GOP was right about one thing, McCain is not stable. - fulldecent, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@CokeBear
That's odd, that site only lists candidates from one party (D/R) - CraigB12, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12If a brain isn't present, then i'm sorry, but she can do what she wants with her collection of cells.
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