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James Cameron to announce Jesus tomb discovery

time-blog.com — Brace yourself. James Cameron, the man who brought you 'The Titanic' is back with another blockbuster. This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity. In a new documentary, Producer Cameron makes the starting claim that Jesus wasn't resurrected --the cornerstone of Christian faith-- in his new documentary.

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  • sjl127, on 10/12/2007, -303/+31And Muhammed's not real, either.
    • waywar, on 10/12/2007, -29/+193What the heck does that mean? This is not saying that Jesus was not real. Quite the opposite. If this turns out to be Jesus' coffin it will be further proof that he is a historical character that existed.


    • Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -21/+116There's plenty of proof that a man named Jesus existed in the early 1st century AD who was crucified. As to his divinity - that's the million dollar question.

      Anyways, I find it funny that the author of this story wrote "No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true." (Yes, I did copy and paste. He actually wrote Codes and ended with a single mark) The Da Vinci Code was "supposed to be true" according to the author ("Asked by Elizabeth Vargas in an ABC News special if the book would have been different if he had written it as non-fiction, [Dan Brown] replied, "I don't think it would have.").
    • ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -24/+209@waywar

      Yes, but it blows the whole story out of the water. I swear, I remember Antonio Banderas being in a movie about this same subject. Yep, he was.. it was called "The Body."

      Anyway, here's the deal. Without the resurrection, you've got nothing. The entire faith is based on the idea that Jesus wasn't a man... or he wasn't a God.. or he was both but neither kinda thing. It's confusing.

      Regardless, the majority of Christians believe that Jesus physically ascended to heaven.... just as they will physically ascend when the apocalypse comes. (Why Christians are so obsessed with their bodies is beyond me.) Without that, Jesus becomes just another miracle-wielding prophet with some good ideas lost in time. There were quite a few like him.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Jesus or Christianity or any of that... I think he had some good ideas and I wish his "followers" paid more attention to his ideas and less attention to centuries of ***** that's been built up around the them.
    • Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -14/+103@waywar

      First off, I absolutely agree with your last point. Many Christians, usually considered "Fundamentalists" (but who aren't even close), are the Christians that many people see on the sides of streets with signs saying "God hates fags" or "Atheists are demons". Jesus' teachings were not hateful; more than anything, he taught kindness and inclusion, not hate- or fear-mongering as many 'fundies' believe.

      You're a bit off on what (most) Christian doctrines say about who/what Jesus was. Most doctrines hold that Jesus was both man and God, not one or the other. Not a huge deal, but some people will get mad...

      As for bodily ascension - I, for one, hope that isn't the case. According to http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=1+Corinthians+15%3A35-58&version1=31 (warning: fundamentalist site... don't read any of the crap they have on there... I only use it for pulling up passages), the resurrection will be of the spiritual 'body', not of the physical body. Unfortunately, most Christians haven't read more than a few passages in the Bible in their entire life, and so believe anything any pastor tells them is true (personally, I think that most churches are horrible constructs of human greed and corruption). It's sad, really...

      And finally, as for your first point - yes, if the body of the Jesus that is proclaimed in the New Testament is found, it will basically destroy the Christian religion. Can you empirically prove that any body found is actually Jesus' body, though?
    • Joeymad, on 10/12/2007, -28/+6@ sjl127

      the Titanic isn't real either!

      /sarcasm
    • LowRentDiggs, on 10/12/2007, -67/+22"There's plenty of proof that a man named Jesus existed in the early 1st century AD who was crucified"

      There isn't that any proof that he existed.
    • BOOFMAN, on 10/12/2007, -18/+12The Body with Antonio Bandera's was great. Very underrated.

    • cheeseron, on 10/12/2007, -22/+16@akaji

      What proof?
    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -46/+28the resurrection is an allegory that is repeated in myths from different cultures throughout history, it is not literal. what it REALLY stands for i dont know...thats the great thing about symbols...they describe soemthing that can't really be described with words.
      my own opinion is that it has to do with the "death" or "sacrifice" of the ego (aka liberation from desire and attachment and all those material pleasures). The concept of "rebirth" is a major theme in almost all of the esoteric teachings and "popular" religions. I believe even the "Skull and Bones" club type/secret society makes their "initiates" lay in a casket for quite some time prior to their initiation into the group. The resurrection theme is blatantly prevalent there.
      By no means do I consider this my final thoughts on the subject...and by no means am I trying to force my views on anyone. Just food for thought.
      Sorry it didnt have all that much to do with the article, but I'm just saying that just because someone proves Jesus didnt rise from the dead (and im damn near 100% positive that he did not get resurrected) doesn't mean that Christianity is meaningless.
    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -69/+15typical atheist diggsters diggin me down up there for questioning them. you fascists.
    • Brewdaddy, on 10/12/2007, -17/+105This doesn't catch too much of my interest for three reasons:

      - A film director who has money to be made is hyping this up, not someone who devotes his life to history for man's collective knowledge. This looks like it's riding on The Da Vinci Code's coattails.
      - "Jesus" is Hebrew for "Joshua," so saying this Jesus buried near Jerusalem is THE Jesus of Christian devotion (and not any of the numerous other Jesuses) is more than a little overzealous. They have nothing but a few common names to base this entire theory on.
      - As far as the DNA testing mentioned, we don't have Jesus Christ's DNA to compare these bones to. The most you could tell is that the people buried in the same tomb are actually related, but you can already tell that because they're in the SAME TOMB.

      I call shenanigans on James Cameron. He just assumes too much to be credible at this point but doesn't want to lose the opportunity to make the next Da Vinci Code.
    • rundymc, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18@scornforsega

      Rather than faith, I think its more accurate to say it blows dogma out of the water. Which is great; like you said, Christians (and any religion for that matter, Muslims, Jews, Hindus whatever) need to set dogma aside and focus on what their religions actually teach them.
    • jonnyx, on 10/12/2007, -29/+106Awesome. I can go to church tomorrow and yell out "Alright people, let's go home, they found the bones!"

      Somewhere deep down inside I've always wanted to do that.
    • blaze03, on 10/12/2007, -25/+56@ stonewaljacksn

      Whenever science and reason contradict Christianity, the religious people auto-assume the "not meant to be taken literally" position. It's pretty much cliche by now.
    • rheaume, on 10/12/2007, -21/+8jonnyx

      ""Alright people, let's go home, they found the bones!"

      Nice! Personally I just hope for an alien race to come along, vaporize everybody that owns a gun, and enslave the population with these lovely words "We put you here, now its time for you to feed our children".

    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -33/+11blaze
      People like you are the reason atheists seem like a complete joke to me. It looks like you have NO basis for argument without a literal interpretation, so you give halfassed disses. Your presumptuousness is UNBELIEVABLE, yet typical for the basic arrogant as hell atheist. Do you know me or something? Have you been spying on me to see if I flip flop regarding my position regarding Christianity? NO I DONT THINK YOU HAVE. So stop making assumptions. Tell me why you are atheist, mr blaze.
    • sych0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24but will it be in 3D?!?
    • TopherT, on 10/12/2007, -16/+55But will Jesus blend? Oh, that was bad. I wonder if evangelicals will get behind cloning tech to enable the second coming? A cloned Jesus. Wow, there must be something wrong with me, two awesome awful ideas in just a few seconds.
    • 0crabby0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Something tells me this news is gonna knock the latest Britney Spears sighting off the map...

      Next season on CBS - CSI JERUSALEM

      Until then though, we'll just have to settle for this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LRIypcaIX4
    • hiJesus, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4No really guys...im alive. But sorry I havent been around. Ever since God got broadband...I dont have much time for anything now.
    • SIRBERUS, on 10/12/2007, -13/+51Oh the fun of digg... it was only about a week ago that anyone who said there was historical evidence that Jesus existed at some time would get dugg down, now its ok if he existed, just as long as it proves Christianity wrong.
    • limbo1334, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1@tophert

      You are a god.
    • ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -15/+14Silly stonewaljackson, he's atheist because he's smarter than you. Thinks for himself, not a shoulder parrot, doesn't fear death in it's reality, makes logical connections with astounding speed. Yes he is, the future of mankind! Join us today and get a free copy of "How not to be a ***** idiot". Hope you make use of your brain soon! Good Luck!
    • sophiaperennis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18@scornforsega

      Resurrection of the flesh (anastaseos necron) is not taught at all in early Christian theology. That is exactly the point held by the Sadducees that is rebuked in Matthew 22:28-34. Furthermore, Athenagoras' similar doctrine of resurrection of the body is 180 degrees opposed to the platonic doctrine on resurrection of the spirit, by which the Greek New Testament was heavily influenced.

      I'm not a Christian, but I study religious doctrine and traditional metaphysics.
    • smartass007, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6if the shroud of turin being proved fake didn't end christian religion, i don't think some old coffins in israel will either
    • ArianeB, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Rather than just Buddha comparisons, how about Socrates?
      Both Jesus and Socrates were carpenters by trade.
      Both asked questions of their students and used allegories as teaching tools.
      Both were put on trial because the people in charge did not like what they were saying.
      Both were convicted by a majority vote of the people.
      Both were sentenced to death.
      Both had a chance to save themselves by recanting, neither did.
      They are without a doubt, the two most influential thinkers in Western Civilization.
    • spvaland, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Million dollar question... Is that worldwide or domestic?
    • floejoe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Maybe it will tie into Battlestar Galactica somehow...
    • lukeydukey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3So, I guess that means James Cameron wants to cast Monica Bellucci to do a nude scene in this movie as Mary Magdalene too?
    • pjsk8, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@akaji:

      "And finally, as for your first point - yes, if the body of the Jesus that is proclaimed in the New Testament is found, it will basically destroy the Christian religion. Can you empirically prove that any body found is actually Jesus' body, though?"


      Well....there's one way.......DNA test, anyone? Someone here (on Earth) might have the same sequence. XD

      .....even though that wouldn't necessarily prove that it was actually Jesus, but, well, you know.
    • bbhh, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7uh this is retarded. there are already 2 tombs that people think might have been the one jesus was burried in. the one at the church of the holy sepulcher which is actually probably the saddest place (as a christian) i have ever been to, not because i think jesus was burried there, but because it was filled with a bunch of catholics who were more worried about rubbing oil on crap than- anything else; the other is the garden tomb (google it if you want) which was a peaceful cool place. christians can't agree on one of those 2, they aren't going to buy someone found a 3rd. plus there is info in the bible that describes the tombs location/ some of it's attributes (you walk in and the body is on the right) which matches up with the garden tomb. this will make no difference in anything except some pocket books and crappy dates.
    • unlimitedorb, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Can someone tell James Cameron to make Dark Angel Season 3? He left us fans hanging after Season 2 and the show closed down. I've watched both Season 1 and Season 2 countless times, and this would be a dream come true.

      Yeah, I would rather have Dark Angel Season 3 than this new movie...
      I'm not afraid to say it.
    • aussieNickuss, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1This opens up a whole new adventure for Mr. Langdon and Ms. Neveu.
    • Deltablade, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12"Rather than just Buddha comparisons, how about Socrates?
      Both Jesus and Socrates were carpenters by trade....etc."

      Yes, but only one of them claimed to be God.

    • geiger253, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Aranb, your Jesus & Socrates comparison is neat (although not quite accurate - Socrates was sentenced to exile, not death, but chose to take poison instead). But I must protest and point out that Socrates had been dead and famous for 400 years by the time the gospels were written. Every literate person at the time would have been familiar with his philosophy and the "Socratic method" (as reported by Plato) and so surely Socrates/Plato was plagiarized by the (Greek) writers of the gospels.
    • AegisGFX, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5So James Cameron is going to destroy Christianity... I've always liked that guy.
    • xsuite, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Bad PR for Christianity. Buried.
    • rayrio, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If Muhammed wasn't real why then are is followers blowing up the world a piece at a time?
    • gojeda, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"Oh the fun of digg... it was only about a week ago that anyone who said there was historical evidence that Jesus existed at some time would get dugg down, now its ok if he existed, just as long as it proves Christianity wrong."

      Oh gee....athiests get pwn3d, again. Who would have 'thunk' it?
    • mtxe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1other than the fact you'd have to disturb the body...

      they can just check for nail marks/holes in the bones
  • bobweber, on 10/12/2007, -53/+32Maybe we'll finally move beyond present day Mythology and begin this millennium. Doubt it.
    • waywar, on 10/12/2007, -51/+43I also doubt it. The more likely scenario is that Cameron will be "crucified" for questioning the fairy tale that we are all supposed to take as fact.
    • upsilonh24, on 10/12/2007, -13/+18Yes I think he's mad. He's gonna get himself killed. Not all extremists are muslim.
    • Tsuyoi, on 10/12/2007, -10/+0Digg put in wrong thread. Sorry.
    • retral, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5All the narrow-minded "our way or the highway" religious people are burying you.

      ..probably this too.
    • naldwell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3@ bobweber

      Christianity has become too well entrenched in the day to day lives of the whole western world for anything to change without some people dying. They've got too many interests to protect to listen to the common sense arguement.

      But hey, Jesus is cool. His fan club just rubs me the wrong way.
  • ccblaker, on 10/12/2007, -45/+15Yes.. real.. and not ressurected. Jesus was an enlightened hippy.. he went to india!
    • nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -35/+80>he went to india!

      Actually, it makes lots of sense to consider that maybe Jesus was actually a Budda and reached enlightenment. He was very close to a Budda in the way he lived his life according to the writings.

      Both Buddha and Jesus were baptized in the presence of the spirit of G-D.

      Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom.

      Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for 47 days and Jesus for 40.

      At the conclusion of their fasts they both wandered to a fig tree.

      Both were about the same age when the began their public ministry: When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self-possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great denunciation. At the time he was 29 years of age....Jesus when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age... Luke 3:23

      Both were tempted by the devil at the beginning of their ministry: To Buddha, he said: Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents. To Jesus he said: All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me. Matt 4:9 Buddha answered the devil: Get away from me Jesus responded ...begone Satan! Matt 4:10.

      Both experienced the supernatural after the devil left: For Buddha: The skies rained flowers, and delicious odors prevailed in the air. For Jesus ..angels came and ministered to him. Matt 4:11.

      The multitudes required a sign from both in order that they might believe.

      Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth.

      Buddha represented himself as a mere link in a long chain of enlightened teachers. Jesus said: Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them.Matt 5:17.

      According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic's eye once offended him, so he plucked it our and cast it away. Jesus said 'If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away;...' Matt 5:29.

      Buddha taught that the motive of all our actions should be pity of love of our neighbor. Jesus taught: ...love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.... Matt 5:4.

      Buddha said: Hide your good deeds and confess before the world the sins you have committed. Jesus said: Beware of practicing your piety before men to be seen by them;...Matt 6:1 and Therefore confess your sins one to another and pray one for another, that you may be healed... James 5:16.

      Both are said to have known the thoughts of others: By directing his mind to the thoughts of others, [Buddha] can know the thoughts of all beings. But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said: Why do you think evil in our hearts? Matt 9:4.

      Both were itinerant preachers with a close group of trustees within a larger group of disciples.

      Both demanded that their disciples renounce all worldly possessions.

      Both sent their disciples on missionary assignments: The number of disciples rapidly increased and Gautama sent forth his monks on missionary tours hither and thither, bidding them wander everywhere, preaching the doctrine, and teaching men to order their lives with self -restraint, simplicity, and charity. And Jesus called to him twelve apostle and began to send them out two by two....So they went out and preached that men should repent. Mark 6:7,

      Both had a disciple who walked on water: To convert skeptical villagers, Buddha showed them his disciple walking across a river without sinking. He said: Come So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus but when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out: Lord save me! Matt 14:29-30. 21. One day Ananda, the disciple of Buddha, after a long walk in the country, meets with Matangi, a woman of the low caste of the Kandalas, near a well, and asks her for some water. She tells him what she is, and that she must not come near him. But he replies: My sister, I ask not for your caste of your family, I ask only for a draught of water. She afterwards became a disciple of Buddha. There came a woman of Samaria to draw water. Jesus said to her give me a drink. For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food. The Samaritan woman said to him: How is it that you a Jew, ask a drink of me, a woman of Samaria? For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans. John 4:7-9

      Both men received similar receptions: The people swept a pathway, the gods strewed flowers on the pathway and branches of the coral trees, the men bore branches of all manner of trees and the Bodhisattva Sumedha spread his garments in the mire, and men and gods shouted All hail. And they brought the colt to Jesus mad threw their garments on it, and he sat on it. And many spread their garments on the road and others spread leafy branches which they has cut from the fields. Mark 11:7 -8.

      When Buddha died: The coverings of [his] body unrolled themselves and the lid of his coffin was opened by supernatural powers. When Jesus dies: And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the L-RD descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat upon it. Matt 28:2

      In the year 217 B.C. Buddhist missionaries were imprisoned for preaching; but and angel, genie or spirit came and opened the prison door, and liberated them. They arrested the apostles and put them in the common prison. But at night an angel of the L-RD opened the prison doors and brought them out. Acts 5:18-19.

      Both men's disciples are said to have been miracle workers.



      Shame the buddism-like parts of Christianity is not really the part that most people focus on.

    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -16/+11nixfu
      rock on man that was awesome. everything I wanted to say about it but was too lazy to actually say.
      id digg you up 50 times if I could just so people on digg could get a little education about religion for once.
    • VhaidraU, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19@nixfu, there is actually a great book on that called "Christ the Eternal Tao" and here is a description from http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1887904239/yourcatholicmess/

      People of the modern West have to a great extent become jaded by Christian terminology and doctrinal constructions, yet many of them are drawn to the Person of Christ Himself. Christ the Eternal Tao seeks to develop not only a new way of seeing Christ, but also a new language by which to express His message, drawing from the enigmatic style and poetic language of Lao Tzu.


      The uniqueness of this book lies in the fact that it is highly original and at the same time totally traditional. The content of ancient Christian experience, with all its latent power, remains the same, but it is presented in a far-seeing, all-encompassing way that soars above the bounds of Western culture. In keeping with the Chinese mind and the way of Lao Tzu, the book moves from laconic poetry to scientific precision in seeking to arrive at the "minimal": the very essence of Reality. It speaks of the mysteries of the nature of the Tao, then describes the drama of the Tao "taking flesh" in Christ, opening up the reality of the other world, and finally "emptying Himself." Practical teachings on the spiritual life are presented in detail from a Tao's state of mind.
    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7VhaidraU
      you and nixfu have made my day. I reccommend CG Jung to both of you, most notably Volume 9 Part 2 of his collected works called "Aion: Researches into the Phenomenology of the Self". There are some GREAT chapters in it, namely, "Christ, A Symbol of the Self." I find Jung's idea of the Self to be heavily influenced by the Eastern ideas of the "Self."
      i wish I could digg you up 20 times as well. Instead this kind of stuff gets buried and garbage about flying spaghetti monsters and teapots in space gets 100 diggs.
    • drderail, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Actually, Doubting Thomas went to India.
    • micahgoulart, on 10/12/2007, -9/+8@nixfu

      Why are you spamming this with repasted answers?

      Why not just post a link to http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/7368/bible_buddism.htm

      ???

      Dugg down for copying and pasting.
    • sophiaperennis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@nixfu

      Here's a website from the Buddhist scholar Christian Lindtner: http://www.jesusisbuddha.com/

      He argues that the Q (Quelle = source) text on which the 4 New Testament gospels are based, is actually based on Buddhist Sanskrit texts.
    • Tsuyoi, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Also dugg down the Buddha comparisons because of the cut and paste. One other thing to mention is that Siddhārtha Gautama (the first Buddha) was born 500-600 years before Jesus' assumed birth.
    • CyGuy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1You must have read LAMB by Christopher Moore (full title "LAMB: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380813815/anydistancecom ).

      In it we learn from Jesus' brother that he spends the time between His Bar Mitzvah and His Ministry going first to study from a mystic in a cave in Afghanistan (Moore wrote the book just before 9/11, when Osama bin Laden wasn't that well known) then onto a Zen Buddhist temple, where in addition to learning Zen, He becomes adept at a martial art similar to Kung Fu. (He also learns techniques to halt his heart and breathing which gives him the appearance of death.)

    • TheTaoOfBill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I second that! Read LAMB. Great book! Very funny! Jesus creates his own martial arts style and calls it "Jew-fu"
    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1well well well what do you know...a fairly intelligent discussion about religion without any mention of hellfire and brimstone. what will the atheists make fun of all of you for now?!?!
  • JGCollins, on 10/12/2007, -39/+5So... Jesus WAS a pimp.
  • evanscotb, on 10/12/2007, -15/+95Let's pull a Jurrassic Park on Jesus! Imagine the pressure on that kid...
    • tantalos, on 10/12/2007, -19/+4lol
    • hilbertspaceboy, on 10/12/2007, -23/+13I've got a crucifix and a box of rusty nails ready.
    • abacadabbra, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5theres actually a cheaply made anime about this ver subject its called "amazing nurse nanoko"
    • LordLucless, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Ok, just remember if you fill in the blanks with frog-DNA, he'll gain the power to change gender at will
    • storm8956, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5He could go to Clone High!
    • GopherGod, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16DNA evidence?

      And relate that to what?
  • deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -39/+16Well duh... most of the new testament reads like a cheesy horror movie. I'm surprised Jesus didn't goto a shopping mall and terrorize people. That's what most self respecting zombies would have done. There's a reason why the vast majority of the world doesn't believe in the Christ story.
    • Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -38/+11Oscillating universe theory reads like a 5th-grader's attempt at philosophy, but you don't see me making fun of what scientists claim is the answer to the existence of the universe, do you? Well, I guess you do now. Moral of the story; unless you can prove it wrong, don't blow it off as utterly absurd or having no merit.
    • Koopa, on 10/12/2007, -9/+70"Moral of the story; unless you can prove it wrong, don't blow it off as utterly absurd or having no merit."

      If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot
    • rsklnkv, on 10/12/2007, -15/+16@Akaji
      Cooooool! Like fairies! I've never seen one but I can tell you that there's this lady down the street that believes in them with all her heart. She has little fairy lawn statues and everything. I told her today to not listen to people when they told her they weren't real. I mean, they can't PROVE they aren't real, right?

      You folks of lotsa faith scare the crap out of me.
    • Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -30/+7Nice response, Koopa.

      To that, however, I would say that you have no evidence at all for the existence of said teapot. There is at least enough evidence for the existence of a divinity to bring some doubt as to its nonexistance. For examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument . Keep in mind that the "God" that is usually referred to in any of those arguments (cosmological, teleological, ontological, etc.) is simply an anonymous being who is capable of creating the universe.

      Same goes for you, Raskolnikov - you have no evidence for the existence of fairies. I have a good amount for the existence of a divine being(s).
    • MrKlaatu, on 10/12/2007, -10/+10Hey if that teapot has some crumpets and cucumber sammiches orbiting with it and perhaps a few scones. It'd be a nice rest stop for those Astronauts on their way to Mars!

      Throw in a Fish & Chips Shop and a good Pub and that mission just might be delayed a few days.
    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -18/+7koopa
      where the hell do you live where you are being persecuted as an atheist? I've never seen an atheist being oppressed in my own personal experience in my lifetime. What psychiatrists think you are crazy for not believing in God? As a matter of fact psychiatrists, if they are doing their jobs, should be "psychologizing" religion and thus stripping it of it's divinity. Religious fanaticism is more reason to see a shrink these days.
      And the "Inquisitor" of the earlier time periods? That's liek so in the past...there is no "inquisition" for atheists in America these days. You taking the Inquisition personally is like the ex-slave descendants who try suing ex-slave owner descendants.
      And your tea pot story, liek the spaghetti monster story, is a waste of time and effort on the parts of those who created them. They completely miss the point and are just pointless if you aren't interpreting religious texts literally.
      But, I guess they do help you feel smarter than people.
    • changyang1230, on 10/12/2007, -8/+8@akaji

      The problem is the "logical" jump from "something is too complicated / something must have a beginning" ---> Yippie, it's God!

      It could have been Flying Spaghetti Monster, you know. Or it might just be some 16th-dimensional aliens playing a game of "universe warcraft". Or Joe Pesci.
    • somnambulator, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@Koopa, thanks for that and to add more fuel to the fire,
      I'm almost 100% sure a china teapot is something PEOPLE INVENTED as well!
    • Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2@jimmygoon

      And you're missing the whole point of reading someone else's argument.

      Again, as I said, "Keep in mind that the "God" that is usually referred to in any of those arguments (cosmological, teleological, ontological, etc.) is simply an anonymous being who is capable of creating the universe." That teapot certainly could be God. I have trouble believing that, and so I've decided to believe in the Christian God. The only thing that the cosmological and teleological arguments try to prove is that there exists a God. Let me repeat it for you one last time so you can get it through your unbelievably thick skull: "Keep in mind that the "God" that is usually referred to in any of those arguments (cosmological, teleological, ontological, etc.) is simply an anonymous being who is capable of creating the universe."
    • ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6You guys will not get through. They can't break things down into their most basic pieces and determine an answer unskewed by emotion. Christianity is built on the martyr theme. Negative emotional response, indignation, outrage, anger. They run rampant and out of control in their heads. Kind of like an emotional wind blowing them in whatever direction the external stimuli suggests. A person with a mind built in such a manner cannot view things with a clear and concise mindstate. It's impossible for them to put it aside. It creeps in and influences almost every "reaction". When one acts, instead of reacts, using non emotional thought patterns, well it comes naturally at that point. Things begin to fall into place and the more basic understanding of things is attained. Emotion always will win in them, they are a slave to it. However, a person like this can be manipulated easily by utilizing their weaknesses, so take that into consideration.
    • Koopa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@stonewall

      I'm not an Athiest...I just don't try to use reason to prove that G-d exists. I guess you could say my definition of G-d is very loose, not as an old man in the sky that controls everyone's lives, but as a personificaiton for the laws of nature and forces in the universe that hold everything together.
  • rooskie, on 10/12/2007, -8/+50Please tell me Geraldo wasn't involved with this.
    • Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -6/+39That 'stache could solve any mystery...
    • zephc, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10*sigh* The only mystery he couldn't solve was how not to grow up.
    • Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4@zephc

      Actually, he figured that one quite well. He acts like a spoiled 10 year old. (for reference, look at his attacks on Jon Stewart's The Daily Show, and Stephen Colbert's amazingly hilarious mock-anger at Jon in response... that was a great few episodes)
    • MrKlaatu, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Sorry, wrong reply.
    • vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10"That 'stache could solve any mystery..."

      Except the location of Al Capone's secret vault.
    • meetjoeblack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1lol!
  • Salgat, on 10/12/2007, -17/+59Another guy who claims to have "debunked a religion" through profitable means.
    • Lyph4, on 10/12/2007, -33/+37Better than creating a Prophet to make a profit..

      But, seriously. At the time "Jesus" existed, you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting someone claiming to be a God. The only thing that makes "Jesus" more important than any of the other liars trying to fool morons into giving him their money was that the people who believed "Jesus" over the guy standing next to him are still around. They killed the believers of the guy standing next to him.
    • Shirt, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26What? Were you alive then? Did you see all these people claiming to be God? One mistake with this whole discussion is that Christ existed as a God-figure solely because of the resurrection, but that is only one part of the whole idea. Another reason Christ was considered the Messiah was because almost every facet of his existence was PREDETERMINED. For example, the time and place of his birth were announced by angels and the place was marked with a star in the sky. His family was of the line of King David, which is where the Old Testament said he would come from. This all comes from my personal knowledge of the Bible, which I am not claiming to be an expert on. My point is that many people don't understand that Jesus according to the Bible didn't just pop out of nowhere with people following him. The reason he was chosen was because his birth matched all of the prophecies laid out by the Old Testament, or the Jewish "Tanakh." That simple fact is integral to understanding why people started following him in the first place. It really isn't hard to grasp.

      Whether you believe it to me is your own business. I have been a Christian for my entire life, but I don't believe that it's my duty to judge non Christians. The Bible specifically says that all judgement is reserved for God himself, and unfortunately that's a very simple idea that many Christians today seem to have forgotten about. I personally do not make any decision on whether a person of no faith or another faith is right or wrong, because according to my faith, that isn't my job. To me God is based around my faith in Him, not whether or not I can prove it to myself or others.
  • broruss, on 10/12/2007, -7/+64Is anyone else annoyed by how sloppy and informal news writing has become? There are many examples I could point out in this article, but the main one that annoys me is the statement that Christians worship the (alleged) empty tomb of Jesus. I am a Buddhist and even I know that is not an accurate statement. They may go to the (alleged) empty tomb of Jesus to worship Christ, but they don't go and worship the damn tomb. It seems like people writing news stories for the Web don't slow down and re-read their own work before it is posted. (And yes, I am aware that I am not the greatest writer in the world either.. but I don't claim to be one, and I am not getting paid to write this).
    • unloud, on 10/12/2007, -25/+7Do you like to split hairs as a hobby?
    • mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5It's just a blog. I think most readers assume he means Jesus and not the tomb.. clearly if they're Christian they're worshiping christ and the writer doesn't really need to go into much detail to explain what everyone already knows.

      If you want quality, then read Time's actual published articles.
    • meetjoeblack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1dude yeah... they "Karl Pilkington" the story :)
  • Detritus, on 10/12/2007, -22/+85As a former Christian, I've been rekindling my interest in the religion lately. I really like Jesus and his message once you strip out all of the pagan-legacy garbage the Romans tacked on and the magic bits.

    Hell once you take away the magic bits Jesus becomes a truly remarkable man; not just some lucky sob whose Dad got him a killer gig.

    Why do you need the magic bits any way? Love is the message, people spend way too much time worrying about magic to get to heaven. The kingdom is here my friends, and all you've got to do to enjoy it is love.
    • devindotcom, on 10/12/2007, -16/+27Amen, brother. If more christians were like you, or religious people in general were, the world would be a better place.
    • Neiby, on 10/12/2007, -22/+13He'd be even more remarkable if he actually existed! There is no incontrovertible, reliable evidence that he even existed. Let's face it: most of The Bible is a myth. Let's all get over it and move on, okay?
    • Lyph4, on 10/12/2007, -17/+106A Christian who doesn't believe in the magic bits is an atheist with a sense of morals.
    • diggduggjoe, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11The heaven in my mind is humanity being successful. The more I understand how remarkable that humanity even exists the more I wish to preserve it. I find it insane the destruction religious beliefs have rained down upon mankind.

      Our Earth is merely a TP speck in a wrinkle of the Milky Way's bunghole. Almost anything could have snuffed humans from this rock. Yet, there are many who eagerly try to wage war and such to speed up the second coming of Christ. Many more have no connections to life on this world for they expect to be beamed off at any moment. I would trust an athiest more for they at least have a vested interest in this world other than an unknown heaven. Morality based on pure altruism is a finer representation of man than being good in fear of fire and brimstone.
    • einstein37, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Jesus claimed to be God. He also claimed to be the only way to eternal life. He is either a liar, crazy, or He was telling the truth. He cannot be a "remarkable man".
    • GooksBirman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Detrius
      Amen! I agree
    • cbergeron, on 10/12/2007, -11/+14The Church needs people. They will spin the interpretation of "The Holy Book" in every possible direction and they will find ways to make "it fit".

      So Jesus was scientificially proven to be a mere mortal man that never "ascended to heaven"? Of course not, the Bible meant he "ascended METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING".

      Everything that is scientifically proven false in the Bible, suddenly takes on a "metaphoric" interpretation.

      The whole scam sure sounds like black magic to me.
    • standalonematt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4You might want to look into buddhism, taoism, etc - there are lots of sytems out there that might have strong ethical messages - many without the magic bits. The key is to form your own ethical code - its dangerous to tie your morals/ethics to any one group. I know I wouldn't want to be associated with the prejiduce that most modern christians seem to believe in, same goes for just abou any other religion.
    • BriSoFli, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5@eistein - Did he say that or are those just words that were put into his mouth later by revisionists who needed him to be deity (or something close to it) in order to give their budding religion credence and validity? I'm not saying I know, but it is a possibility and makes a lot of sense to me.
    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5lyph
      Just because you have the preconceived notion that religion=believes in magic doesnt mean that not believing in magic makes you an atheist. Maybe you should study some religion...you might just find out you prefer "agnostic" to being atheist, if its the "magic" aspect that disillusioned you.

      I really, REALLY hope you don't think spirituality and religion is mostly about magic. Most if not All accounts of magic and fairytale type stuff in the Holy Books are SYMBOLS for secrets that the most enlightened mystics used to hide the true core meaning of their belief systems. The mystics back then KNEW that if the unworthy masses (the "profane") got hold of these texts that they would not truly understand their meaning and would end up abusing and disgracing them. Well, we got a hold of them, and looks liek those mystics were right. Religion is not meant to be spoonfed to you or followed blindly.
    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9cbergeron
      show me a real account of a christian you know who interpreted the bible literally, and then changed their stance. Seriously, I want names. You atheists keep saying that flip flop thing over and over, but you never give any facts to back yourself up. Now is your chance to prove an agnostic wrong. Go google it.

      Come on scientist. Or are you just bent on making generalizations?
    • Refrag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You might be interested in reading the Jefferson Bible. Yes, Thomas Jefferson's edit.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
    • quokkapox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Excellent post.

      The magic bits are there to make you feel better about the fact that you are going to die someday, just like everything else. People invented the concept of an afterlife not terribly long after consciousness evolved, I think. It has a wonderfully calming effect.

      That's why we humans can't completely afford to abandon spirituality. We will probably need it for a long time, just like we need to sleep to dream.

      The problem is when people use religion to control and take advantage of others.
    • ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6People have love and morals without religion. These are innate in some and if they are not innate, they should be taught by the child's parents. Not magic man. Isn't that very obvious? Or does it just make you warm and fuzzy inside when you think about your religion and that is the purpose of your statement. Surprise, a response, attempting to be logical, completely fueled by "da warm fuzzies". Please correct yourself.
    • mediatedthought, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Love is not the message.
      Listen to the J-Man himself.
      Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
      You can get what you want out of the bible. Violence and Redemption are all there.
      The criteria of picking and choosing what gospels to follow is morality in action. We don't need religion, we are all endowed with the ability to understand right and wrong.
  • noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5I'm out of it. For a second I thought he was reaffirming Christianity by proving Jesus existed, and then I realized that Christians believe he didn't die.

    Guh, I'm obviously out of touch.
    • einstein37, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You are out of touch. Christians believe He did die, but was resurrected and is alive today.
    • Shirt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "alive today." Christianity as most people study it certainly doesn't advocate him being physically alive. He was crucified, buried, resurrected three days later and walked the earth for 40 days, then was taken into heaven by God (body and everything). That's the story straight from the Bible. That is also why Christianity would in theory be "disproved" if his body was found. But in my opinion it would be impossible to actually discern whether or not it is his body.
    • ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4They beleive magic energy (which comes out of you when you die), came out of him and opened the gates to the fluffy cloud area up there. This allowed everyone elses magic energy (which comes out of them when they died) to float around happily in an ascending motion to play and live cozily with their families' magic energy (which came out of them when they died) in happy land. It's a very happy place, and they all can't wait to go too! Yay! I want to join! Er wait...
    • epiccollision, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@kssponge....exactly...its just gets silly, then absurd, then retarded, then you get a headache and then your head explodes from the "stupid"
    • Jagin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Shirt: you weren't alive then either. You don't know that all the stories are true -- that's why it's called faith. Besides, do some research on Jewish points of view of whether the prophecies really were fulfilled (if you do indeed believe anything you read) -- that's also highly debatable -- by Jews themselves!
  • thesoze, on 10/12/2007, -20/+4jews are behind this
    • ImYourRealDad, on 10/12/2007, -11/+7He was a Jew, vagina stamp.
    • MiloMindrbindr, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18It's not the Jews, it's clearly the Canadians. They've had it in for Jeebus since we stole Alanis Morrisette from them.
    • MrKlaatu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Least you forget, Alanis Morisette IS God!
    • steevo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6You can keep Alanis
  • loqqq, on 10/12/2007, -8/+42So, Michael Crichton can't publicly debate global warming, because he's just a writer and not a scientist.

    But now movie director James Cameron is a world-acclaimed archaeologist?

    What's the difference?
    • edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -16/+12No, Michael Chriton can't publicly debate global warming because he's a moron. Have you read Prey? It's utter bollocks. Not even a rudimentary grasp of nanotechnology theory is evident. At least Cameron tries to avoid outright falsities.
    • Lyph4, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4It's all made up. "OMG STEPHEN KING SAID THAT THE UNIVERSES ARE HELD TOGETHER WITH BEAMS OF ENERGY LIKE THE SPOKES OF A WHEEL, LAWL THAT'S SO WRONG!"

      It's a ***** book to read for entertainment. The dude's not writing textbooks on the subject.

      And I thought it was a good book.
    • JavertHolmes, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2The difference is that he's a world-acclaimed archaeologist, theologist, and builder of half-ships.
    • ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Writing, in any genre, requires an incredible amount of research. It also takes understanding of any concepts involved.
    • epiccollision, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1yeah to bad he didn't bother with all that crap as has been proven to be just a stupid as the rest of us
  • brindon, on 10/12/2007, -31/+7All of this just to suppress the Christian vote to elect "fresh new face" Osama Hussein Barrack as president. Hope Hollywood doesn't shoot its wad too early though...
    • chriswm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10@brindon
      "All of this just to suppress the Christian vote to elect "fresh new face" Osama Hussein Barrack as president. Hope Hollywood doesn't shoot its wad too early though... "

      Are you suggesting that all Christians will vote for Obama simply because he claims a Christian faith? I'm a Christian and personally I care more about a man's policies than his religion when I vote for presidents. Frankly, I don't currently know enough about Obama to decided whether or not to vote for him. No problem though, I've got about a year and a half to do some research.
    • Lyph4, on 10/12/2007, -17/+7Chris, Obama wants to steal your money and throw it at 'efficient' government run Healthcare programs.

      Check out a guy named Ron Paul if you enjoy freedom and keeping the money you earn.
  • ShBm, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3Surprise surprise, digg obliterated this.
  • ImYourRealDad, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3That guy was outside of my house ALL WEEK.
  • SP420, on 10/12/2007, -31/+29"This 90-minute documentary is bound to outrage Christians and stir up a titanic debate between believers and skeptics."

    No, it'll help lay to rest one of the biggest lies of humanity.
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18 Hopefully, but I doubt it. For many people faith is something that goes beyond the need for proof, and even in the light of disproof, the faith is still large enough to superceed it. In all honesty, there is no free thinking person that can truly beleive in the literal interpretation of the bible..

      But looking at it through the eyes of alagory and suddenly even the most fantastic stories start to make some sense.

      Catholic's, primarily, will be most upset with this, no doubt the popery will be gnashing their teeth... May the good times roll.

    • brettandrew, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1it damn well better. totally agree
    • ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3It won't lay anything to rest at all man. It won't matter in the least.
  • chriswm, on 10/12/2007, -13/+31"This time, the ship he's sinking is Christianity"....

    There's so many things wrong with this statement, I don't know where to start. This article is presented as fact, when in reality it is one man's (James Cameron's) editorial interpretation of history. He's not the first, nor will he be the last man to deny the divinity of Christ. Move along, nothing new to see here.
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4 Errr, are we not all "children of god"? Are we not all therefor divine?
    • zephc, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11Yes, because James Cameron's claim of a tomb for a historical character is less credible than the claim that said character was supernatural.
      >_>

      He is actually attempting to back up a claim.
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6Jesus never claimed to be God or demanded worship. The closest he came was calling himself "a son of God" which is a title also applied to Adam in the Hebrew scriptures. The Bible also frequently refers to humanity as "the children of God". The first historical reference of Jesus being worshiped as the physical incarnation of God was in the Holy Roman Empire under Constantine l, where Jesus' divinity and the details of that divinity were voted upon by the Council of Nicaea.
    • einstein37, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Jesus absolutely claimed to be God. He claimed to be the God that created the universe and Earth.
    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2einstein
      clearly youve never seen Jesus Christ Superstar.
    • JigoroKano, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10@Krymore

      "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58.

      "I am." was a key phrase often uttered by Jesus. This is how Yahweh referenced himself to Moses. Jesus referenced himself the same way on many occasions. Nobody else does this but Jesus and Yahweh.

      ...all according to the Bible of course.
    • cdomigan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Jesus also said "If you have seen the Father, you have seen me". Yep he definitely claimed to be God.
  • Dhalsim007, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21All this proves is that there was another family with a guy named Jesus who had a mother named Mary. And the article is right in saying that Jesus, as a poor carpenter, would not have been buried in a family-sized crypt which was too expensive for his family then. I mean, didn't he see the Indiana Jones scene with the Holy Grail? "That's the cup of a carpenter." Same logic here.
    • Barlo_Mung, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6He only started out a carpenter. He is most famous for being a cult leader and most cult leaders live quite well.
    • LordLucless, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Actually, he's most famous for being executed as a criminal. Most executed criminals don't live too well...
    • Jest, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3A.N. Wilson, in his biography of Jesus, casts doubt on the story that Joseph was a carpenter at all. The Greek word "tekton" does indeed mean carpenter, but it was translated from the Aramaic word "naggar," which could mean craftsman or learned man.

      Also, Matthew in the Bible traces Joseph's descent from King David via 28 intermediate generations, while Luke has 41 generations. Worse, there is almost no overlap in the names on the two lists.
    • epiccollision, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3so what your saying is if you sprinkle enough doubt fallacy and misdirection you can prove anything by disinformation, its a 2000 year old book first, second it was written 70 years after his "death" and the stories that were attributed to him were made by a person who didn't even know jebus was supposed to be a real person, were "formulated" 3 decades after his "death" we still can get the paul revere(it was issac bissel btw) or colombus(the earth was well known to be round @ the time) story straight and that was in modern recorded history...so lets put our faith in a 2000 yo fairy tale ...good goin ppl
  • matt35, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I'm guessing that there was only one guy named Jesus 2000 years ago then as well... This story has already been on Fark and got quite a few comments. It'd be like people finding a grave with "George" on it 2000 years from now, thinking it was George W. Bush, because of that there, and because of other tombs surrounding it with other common names of the time period that are common to his family.

    It's almost like when they said the found James' tomb a while back, and then it was proven to be false. Either way, maybe Bill Paxton will be in this movie as well, which would definitely be amazing.
    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1krymore (in reference to your comments starting 2 comments down...sorry I actually replied to the wrong section)

      i think i agreed with almost everything I've seen you write so far. Anything that might give the diggers a broader knowledge of the background of religions deserves to be dugg up. I can't remember details exactly, but in the earlier days of Islam did the Christians and Muslims not worship side by side in Jerusalem? I apologize for being so vague about it as it's been awhile since I brushed up on my reading.
      Also on a side note, the closest analogy to Jesus that I've seen as of yet is "Krishna" as described in the Bhagavad Gita, who is called "The Supreme Personality of Godhead".
  • weister42, on 10/12/2007, -17/+1Ha he should make a movie about Allah's tomb.
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8 Allah = God, it is merely the translation. A more closely matched would be Yeshua compared to Mohamed. Both Yeshua and Mohamed would have graves because they were men, Allah/God would not as they are non-physical.
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15It's amazing to me how many Christians honestly think that Allah is some separate God, or even some evil spirit. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. Allah is the same God that Abraham worshiped, whose teachings were passed down through his son Ishmael (yes, contrary to sunday school, Isaac wasn't the only son, there were two). Another myth that seems to get passed around in the Christian community is that Muslims hate Jesus. Islam reveres Jesus as one of the greatest prophets of God. Islam actually reveres Jesus for his teachings and what he physically said, instead of using his name and theoretical likeness (tall white man with blue eyes, dark blond hair, and clean white robe) as promotion for completely un-Jesuslike doctrine.
    • einstein37, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5Wrong. Allah = Moon god. Very much not the same. That is why Islam's symbol is a star and crescent moon.
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@einstein37
      You just completely made that up.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent
    • ksponge, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4If he completely made it up on the spot what is this?

      http://www.google.com/search?q=allah+moon

      I seriously doubt he created all these pages? If you are going to refute something with a statement so easily refuted itself, you are a real dummy aren't you? Nice way to kill your argument...
    • foxyfoxykitsune, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0All the sites that make that claim apear to be horrid fundamentalist groupss. But what does it matter the Jews/Christians etc. may worship a ***** Volcano god
      http://www.pantheon.org/articles/y/yahweh.html
  • erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6Wasn't this the same guy that proclaimed the banana was proof of creationism?
  • KingManifest, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Holy Christ!!
  • 1911wolf, on 10/12/2007, -14/+7Hogwash!

    It's a known fact that Jesus and Mohammad are gay alien lovers that currently own a condo on the moon.
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@catain,

      How is anything being applied to you? If you are truly an athiest, as you claim, then no religious book can be applied to you. Which is it?

      I have no faith other than "man" has always told stories on how they veiwed life. The torah, the Bible and the Qur'an are all merely examples of these. As is the eygiption book of the dead, as is various pictures on the walls of caves, as is our current state of science books. They are all merely how "we" currently see the world.

      We are where we are, because of those stories and should respect them as I am sure you would like the future generations to respect how we currently see the world.
  • CaptainRadium, on 10/12/2007, -22/+5Jesus died. The resurection is a myth.

    Fine. Great. That's settled.

    Now lets see if James Cameron and the Christian haters have the cajones to take on the Mohammadens
    • zephc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14"Mohammadens"? The 19th century telegraphed - it wants its word back.
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15 There is nothing there to take on. Their belief is that Mohammad was just a man, a profit of God, but still just a man. Islam, like all dogmatic religions, have their share of mytho's, but ultimately since their is no proclamation that Mohammad was God, there is relatively little to "take on". Islam itself is very scientific(relatively speaking) in nature and is a more modern religion than Catholicism.

      Not that I think either are good for man, we are all grown up enough now to let go of these fairy tales and see the reality that they contain. The map != the terrain.
    • MrKlaatu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Mohammadites? Mohammaditians? Mohammadenes?
    • CaptainRadium, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Nothing to take on?
      How about the belief that the Koran, with all its venonous xenophobia, is the devine word of Allah?
      How about the belief that Mohammed, with his butchery and intollerance, is the supreme example for human behavior?
      And if you think Islam is scientific, you know nothing of science, nor Islam.
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@captin,

      any text written during times of strife and war are barbaric, to use that as a measuring stick is beyond unfair.

      As for the xenophobic nature of it - true, just like that which exists in the Bible, and the Torah, and just about every other book about religion. Once again, to single of Islam for it means you are either willfully ignorant, or just blissfully so.

      As I also pointed out I used the term "relatively", so while it is not "scientific" by todays standards, it is clearly more scientific than the mystical Bible - which it should be being written several decades(at least) later, the same way a science book written today will have a better undersatanding than one written in the 30's. This really shouldn't be too hard to understand, and wouldn't be, if you would let go of your hatred and fear.

      Which is, incidently, at the core of all the "major" religions.
    • JurneyAhed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Disproving Christ affects Islam directly - they believe in the same Jesus that Christians do, up to and including the crucification. They just don't believe he was the son of God.

      So yeah, this would piss off Muslims too if it was aimed at them as specifically as it's aimed towards Christians.
    • CaptainRadium, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Waiting2Awake

      "any text written during times of strife and war are barbaric, to use that as a measuring stick is beyond unfair."

      This text is being applied to me today. Criticism of its barbarity is completely fair.

      "As for the xenophobic nature of it - true, just like that which exists in the Bible, and the Torah, and just about every other book about religion. Once again, to single of Islam for it means you are either willfully ignorant, or just blissfully so."

      Hey, I thought the Bible was no longer and issue thanks to Mr. Cameron's movie. That was the point of my post. Since the Bible is disproved, people should now concern themselves with disproving the Koran.

      "As I also pointed out I used the term "relatively", so while it is not "scientific" by todays standards, it is clearly more scientific than the mystical Bible - which it should be being written several decades(at least) later, the same way a science book written today will have a better undersatanding than one written in the 30's. This really shouldn't be too hard to understand, and wouldn't be, if you would let go of your hatred and fear."

      That comment is completely irrational. You obviously have limited experience with application of the scientific method.
      Take it from an atheist scientist with personal experience of Islam: You should let go of your ignorance and complacency.

    • stonewaljacksn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1waiting2awake
      the core of major religions is, IMO, contentment, and living as one with nature, free from the attachments to material goods. This attachment to material goods is the reason behind War, pollution, global warming, and the exploitation of nature and other humans in general.
      Religion in its purest sense teaches us to train our minds to be free of desire. "Blessed are the meek" etc etc...There's nothing too mystical or "holy" or inexplicable about it.
    • noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"a profit of God"

      Never has a better misspelling been made.
  • ImTheDarkcyde, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4The Titanic wasn't a documentary, Ghost of the Abyss was
  • nitrokid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0At least these comments weren't as crazy as the ones actually posted in the page. They started a crazy debate whether it was true or not without even having seen the damn thing. This is crazy but it's definitely going to be fun to watch
  • Contico, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Is this even something that can be proven? At best theyll have a corpse which they can carbon date to that time period, other than that what are they going to be able to prove with a 2000 year old body?
  • quickgold192, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15If anyone thinks that discovering the empty tomb of Jesus and even proving that he didn't resurrect will actually make the followers of such a huge religion just give up on their beliefs you're wrong. Christians believe what they do without any proof in the first place.
    • AndyH3000, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Yeah, for example, how many times have televangelists and other nutjobs used scripture to predict the impending end of the world (most recently the year 2000), only to be proven wrong by the ... continuation of existence? I've never once heard any zealot acknowledge their wrongness on anything. If anything, empirical proof of their wrongness just seems to cement their convictions.
  • gbowskill, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Theres a very good book about this exact topic by Kathy Reichs called "Cross Bones" which I highly recommend. Its fiction but based on some of the facts that this program is based on.
  • pampusik, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2It's still not too late for Cameron to seek the salvation of his ever-blackened soul: http://www.jeebus.org
  • Nocturnal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"But film-makers Cameron and Jacobovici claim to have amassed evidence through DNA tests, archeological evidence and Biblical studies, that the 10 coffins belong to Jesus and his family."

    Where in God's name did they find the original DNA of Jesus Christ? I find that extremely hard to believe. I mean if they've had his DNA all this time, doesn't that put an end to those who don't actually believe Jesus Christ was an actual person who once lived on earth?
    • BriSoFli, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yeah, I've been thinking about that too. That wouldn't be how they would use the DNA since that would be circular logic. I don't know. Maybe they are using the DNA of the body to match his ethnic background to the one in his geneaology. ??? Or, maybe they have positively identified the grave of a relative that was more clearly marked and then will use the DNA of that body to show the relationship he had to that body (father-son for instance... wouldn't that cause a stir since it would be getting two birds with one stone (immaculate conception as well).
  • Zacko1337, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I'll ***** crucify Celine Dion if she's in on this aswell.
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1 You need a reason this large to crucify Celine *pounds chest* Dion?? Man, every year I send a letter to Las Vegas thanking them for taking her from us...
  • rhoadesb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"amassed evidence through DNA tests"

    Hmmm....must have done forensics, (hair from a comb from Jesus' night stand I guess).

    Anyway. I'll take this as confirmation that the story Jesus of Nazareth was in fact real.
  • Surfer51, on 10/12/2007, -22/+16While I admit that James is a good writer, he is not very bright on this topic. Listen up James! Anyone else, read this before you choose to bury it...

    He wants to explain away an event in history--the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The resurrection of Jesus Christ is either one of the most wicked, vicious, heartless hoaxes ever foisted on the minds of human beings--or it is the most remarkable fact of history.

    The New Testament accounts of the resurrection were being circulated within the lifetimes of men and women alive at the time of the resurrection. Those people could certainly have confirmed or denied the accuracy of such accounts. They were living witnesses.

    The writers of the four Gospels either had themselves been witnesses or else were relating the accounts of eyewitnesses of the actual events. In advocating their case for the gospel, a word that means "good news," the apostles appealed (even when confronting their most severe opponents) to common knowledge concerning the facts of the resurrection.

    F. F. Bruce, Rylands professor of biblical criticism and exegesis at the University of Manchester, says concerning the value of the New Testament records as primary sources: "Had there been any tendency to depart from the facts in any material respect, the possible presence of hostile witnesses in the audience would have served as a further corrective."

    A Roman guard of strictly disciplined fighting men was stationed to guard the tomb of
    Jesus Christ. This guard affixed on the tomb the Roman seal, which was meant to "prevent any attempt at vandalizing the sepulcher. Anyone trying to move the stone from the tomb's entrance would have broken the seal and thus incurred the wrath of Roman law.

    So many security precautions were taken with the trial, crucifixion, burial, entombment, sealing, and guarding of Christ's tomb that it becomes very difficult for critics to defend their position that Christ did not rise from the dead.

    The seal that stood for the power and authority of the Roman Empire was in place on the Tomb entrance. The consequences of breaking the seal were extremely severe. The FBI and CIA of the Roman Empire were called into action to find the man or men who were responsible. If they were apprehended, it meant automatic execution by crucifixion upside down. People feared the breaking of the seal. Jesus' disciples displayed signs of cowardice when they hid themselves. Peter, one of these disciples, went out and denied Christ three times.

    The disciples of Christ did not go off to Athens or Rome to preach that Christ was raised from the dead. Rather, they went right back to the city of Jerusalem, where, if what they were teaching was false, the falsity would be evident. The empty tomb was "too notorious to be denied." Paul Althaus states that the resurrection "could have not been maintained in Jerusalem for a single day, for a single hour, if the emptiness of the tomb had not been established as a fact for all concerned."

    Both Jewish and Roman sources and traditions admit an empty tomb. Those resources range from Josephus to a compilation of fifth-century Jewish writings called the "Toledoth Jeshu." Dr. Paul Maier calls this "positive evidence from a hostile source, which is the strongest kind of historical evidence. In essence, this means that if a source admits a fact decidedly not in its favor, then that fact is genuine."

    Gamaliel, who was a member of the Jewish high court, the Sanhedrin, put forth the suggestion that the rise of the Christian movement was God's doing; he could not have done that if the tomb were still occupied, or if the Sanhedrin knew the whereabouts of Christ's body.

    Paul Maier observes that " . . . if all the evidence is weighed carefully and fairly, it is indeed justifiable, according to the canons of historical research, to conclude that the sepulcher of Joseph of Arimathea, in which Jesus was buried, was actually empty on the morning of the first Easter. And no shred of evidence has yet been discovered in literary sources, epigraphy, or archeology that would disprove this statement."

    On that Sunday morning the first thing that impressed the people who approached the tomb was the unusual position of the one and a half to two ton stone that had been lodged in front of the doorway. All the Gospel writers mention it. Those who observed the stone after the resurrection describe its position as having been rolled up a slope away not just from the entrance of the tomb, but from the entire massive sepulcher. It was in such a position that it looked as if it had been picked up and carried away. Now, I ask you, if the disciples had wanted to come in, tiptoe around the sleeping guards, and then roll the stone over and steal Jesus' body, how could they have done that without the guards' awareness?

    The Roman guards fled. They left their place of responsibility. How can their attrition he explained, when Roman military discipline was so exceptional? Justin, in Digest #49, mentions all the offenses that required the death penalty. The fear of their superiors' wrath and the possibility of death meant that they paid close attention to the minutest details of their jobs. One way a guard was put to death was by being stripped of his clothes and then burned alive in a fire started with his garments. If it was not apparent which soldier had failed in his duty, then lots were drawn to see which one would be punished with death for the guard unit's failure. Certainly the entire unit would not have fallen asleep with that kind of threat over their heads. Dr. George Currie, a student of Roman military discipline, wrote that fear of punishment "produced flawless attention to duty, especially in the night watches."

    Christ appeared alive on several occasions after the cataclysmic events of that first Easter . When studying an event in history, it is important to know whether enough people who were participants or eyewitnesses to the event were alive when the facts about the event were published. To know this is obviously helpful in ascertaining the accuracy of the published report. If the number of eyewitnesses is substantial, the event can he regarded as fairly well established. For instance, if we all witness a murder, and a later police report turns out to he a fabrication of lies, we as eyewitnesses can refute it.

    Another factor crucial to interpreting Christ's appearances is that He also appeared to those who were hostile or unconvinced.

    Over and over again, I have read or heard people comment that Jesus was seen alive after His death and burial only by His friends and followers. Using that argument, they attempt to water down the overwhelming impact of the multiple eyewitness accounts. But that line of reasoning is so pathetic it hardly deserves comment. No author or informed individual would regard Saul of Tarsus as being a follower of Christ. The facts show the exact opposite. Saul despised Christ and persecuted Christ's followers. It was a life-shattering experience when Christ appeared to him. Although he was at the time not a disciple, he later became the apostle Paul, one of the greatest witnesses for the truth of the resurrection.

    The argument that Christ's appearances were only to followers is an argument for the most part from silence, and arguments from silence can be dangerous. It is equally possible that all to whom Jesus appeared became followers. No one acquainted with the facts can accurately say that Jesus appeared to just "an insignificant few."

    Christians believe that Jesus was bodily resurrected in time and space by the supernatural power of God. The difficulties of belief may be great, but the problems inherent in unbelief present even greater difficulties.

    The theories advanced to explain the resurrection by "natural causes" are weak; they actually help to build confidence in the truth of the resurrection.

    But the most telling testimony of all must be the lives of those early Christians. We must ask ourselves: What caused them to go everywhere telling the message of the risen Christ?

    As a reward for their efforts, however, those early Christians were beaten, stoned to death, thrown to the lions, tortured and crucified. Every conceivable method was used to stop them from talking.

    Yet, they laid down their lives as the ultimate proof of their complete confidence in the truth of their message.

    How do you evaluate this overwhelming historical evidence? What is your decision about the fact of Christ's empty tomb? What do you think of Christ?

    On the basis of all the evidence for Christ's resurrection, and considering the fact that Jesus offers forgiveness of sin and an eternal relationship with God, who would be so foolhardy as to reject Him? Christ is alive! He is living today.






    • pampusik, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19This long comment appears plagiarized from http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

      What ever happened to "thou shall not steal?"
    • ub3rgeek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4edit... read that ^^
    • StantheBat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6>>Christians believe that Jesus was bodily resurrected in time and space by the supernatural power of God. The difficulties of belief may be great, but the problems inherent in unbelief present even greater difficulties.

      Take whatever you wish as an article of faith, but please know the difference between faith and proof. Saying stuff like this just makes you sound foolish.
    • DogmaticAtheism, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5pampusik lets not resort to childishness. thanks for posting the link but honestly he is not claiming to have written or anything like that so please save the joke for another time.
    • phisquare, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@DogmaticAtheism

      I don't know what you just read but surfer51 slyly wrote a few opening lines and then copied the entire article from that page. That smells like plagiarism to me, unless of course he is the author of the other page...
    • superjerms, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@pampusik

      So, rather than attacking the poster's character, refute the argument. I truly am interested in your response.

      I'd love to know how you think the religion survived for even a week if the cornerstone of the faith could be refuted by simply pointing at the grave.
      I'd love to know how armed guards whose lives were on the line failed to stave off a bunch of cult followers who were hiding lest they be executed too.
      I'd love to hear your reason why people would choose to be sawed in half, crucified, immolated, beaten to death, and fed to lions based on such an easily disproven lie.
      I'd love to hear why Paul would leave his well-honored leadership role in Jewish society so that he could be shipwrecked, beaten half to death (twice), etc.
      I'd love to know why some of the most foundational thinkers of the Enlightenment - Aquinas, Kant, Kierkegaard, etc. - were so smart about philosophy and so stupid about theology.

      I'll wait here, you come back with answers that are compelling. Russel, Dawkins, Harris...they all sound logical enough, but if you listen to what they say without weighing questions like the ones above, you're every bit as deluded as any other mindless fanatic. Just because you don't call your secular humanism a religion doesn't mean your not still a sheep.

      Just because theology can be informed by new understanding of science and history doesn't make it untrue. Just because someone has wrestled with the questions above and came out believing in Christ doesn't make them an idiot. At least they've thought about it - have you?
  • darleene, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Uh, Jesus didn't have his own tomb. Matthew 27:57-60 from bible.com:

    57When the evening had come, there came a rich man of Arimathea named Joseph, who himself also was Jesus' disciple.
    58He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.
    59And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth
    60and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock. And he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulcher and departed.
  • nonchai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Now how does that moment go in his movie ? -

    oh yes - he stands upright , with Mary at his side...

    ...with his arms stretched out straight, like a crucifix.....

    .... and with the wind blowing through his hair shouts out...

    ... I'M THE KING OF THE JEWS !!!!!!!

    ( queue aerial shots of him, zoom back to lots of extras.... )
  • amightywind, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The Garden Tomb is old news. A lot of Protestants in the US visit it and think it is the actual tomb. I think it's popularity comes from a desire to break with Roman Catholic tradition than any archeological merit the site has. The site doesn't fit any of the New Testament descriptions. The grottos beneath the Church of the Holy Sepulcher seem to fit the facts well. The location is right. It is unfortunate that there aren't more aggressive archeological investigations there. Some scholars think that the nature of the graffiti carved on the tombs by early pilgims to the site might reveal some info, as venerated early Christian grave sites in Rome do.
    • epiccollision, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2because we all know how accurate that new testament is...loser
    • amightywind, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I am not making any claims about the divinity of the New Testament, I guess that's why you call me a loser. But it seems reliable enough as a historical guide. Biblical archeology is certainly interesting, and it is certainly worthwhile to try to identify major biblical sites accurately when they can be.
    • Isidore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The names Jesus, Mary, Joseph and James were amongst the most popular names in Israel at that time, a number of tombs have been found with those names. Another Jesus tomb tomb with those names was found in 1980 http://www.heathensguide.com/Pages/Ossuary_files/storyview(1).htm?content=75502 More recent claims are that Jesus is buried in Kashmir or in Shingo Japan.

      None of the earliest Jewish and Roman critics of Christianity were able to point to the body of Jesus, the only contemporary explanation of the resurrection was that the apostles had stolen the body of Jesus.

      Early Christianity would have been killed stone dead if Jesus' body was found. Christianity began because a group of people believed that they had personally met Jesus after he was crucified and killed. Most of these witnesses were tortured and killed for making this claim.

  • burningbush, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Totally absurd. There are ideologies that hinder the human experience, and ideologies that improve it. Handing over your capability to think freely to an ideology that thrives on power and corruption is a BAD thing to do. Think for yourself. Question everything. Is that really so hard for everyone?
  • NinjaPig, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1"After the collapse of christianity in 2006...the world was inhabited by the Na'vi"


    Title Screen:
    AVATAR
  • sloof70, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10People couldn't disprove Jesus' resurrection in the years after his death. How does Cameron think he can prove it now?
    • danieldrehmer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1by using modern science?
    • farazyashar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Christianity was started a long while after he died... so there wasn't really need to prove anything after he was dead.
  • caketank, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Headline should have been: James Cameron to Announce Loss of His Damn Mind.

    He's just going to make a fool of himself.
  • schmoo42, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3DNA evidence? When did we discover the DNA of Jesus? I didn't realize that we had it available to us. Why don't we clone him!?

    Something smells fishy here...

    If James Cameron wants to create a valid argument he needs to first make sure the evidence he provides is believable.
    Yes, I do agree that Christians have the same problem (not having concrete evidence) but it's quite hypocritical to tell Christians that the lack of evidence leaves room for doubt when such an outrageous claim (having the DNA of Christ) lacks as well.

    Honestly, we all need to get off of our high horses and realize that we're all operating on faith even if we don't believe in a "God".
    There are holes in all theories.
    Hence "theory" not "fact"
    (Ask any scientist, science is all theories... true scientist never claim 100% fact)

    Stay open minded.
    Quit arguing over who is right.
    Because we all might be wrong.
    • eldertaco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1As mentioned above by nixfu, there's some interesting stuff that points to Jesus having fled to Kashmir after the Jews attempted to crucify him. Today they have his bones buried in a crypt there with one of their own holy men.

      Check out the top 3 videos in this youtube search for more info. http://youtube.com/results?search_query=jesus+kashmir&search=Search
    • Kyderdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4>Why don't we clone him!?

      Because George don't want the liberal Jesus coming back and spiting him.
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5If Jesus were alive today, he'd be pretty damn upset with all the "Christians" murdering and harassing people in his name. If you believe what Jesus said is true, you're going to heaven no matter what you do. Conversion to a particular sect reciting a certain pledge for salvation is something Jesus was emphatically against. The way I look at it, If Jesus was telling the truth, we all go to heaven, if not, our lifeless corpses will be too busy rotting in boxes to be complaining. There's no reason to fear or speculate about death, each and every one of us is dead already. It's only a matter of time.
    • Ambicar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0What if we all agree it him. Then clone him, and he has Down's syndrome.
      Or What if we find out He had syphillus?
    • Ambicar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@Krymore - TODAY?

      YOU DO REALIZE of course that Christianity is the size it is today entirely because since about 700 or so it has been the most violently conquring force on Earth. It has subdued by force of arms Most of Europe, Sections of Eastern Asia, North and South America, Australia, Tried hard in India, Africa, Indochina and Indonesia and China as well.

      Slaughtering people that are not Christian has been the "Christian Way" for over a Millenia now.

      This nothing new.
  • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Everyone knows that Jesus didn't die, he was revived by the secret order of Nazarenes, batted around the Levant for awhile on the lam (where he met Paul), and subsequently went to Kashmir with his wife Mary Magdalene and his mother Mary, where he was eventually entombed. This theory of Cameron's is just stupid.
  • hilbertspaceboy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Antiquities fraud is one of the biggest industries in Israel.

    That and child pornography.
    • DogmaticAtheism, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Fraud and child porn is indeed a specialty of Israel and Jews, however the second testament and all research done on the subject did not come from Jews. How could they benefit from it anyway? It demonizes them. Please grow a brain.
  • BJanis, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7Finally! The historical Jesus makes his debut to rebuke the illusory Jesus.
    • 1337Einstein, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Reborn, as one might say. lol
    • dopplerdog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The real Jesus returns! The second coming!
  • Kyderdog, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1In 1997, it was discovered that Jesus returned to earth and that his real name isn't Jesus, but Steve Jobs. For this reason, Jesus wants you to buy an iPod.

    Its true its true in in the "encyclopediadramatica"
    http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/God
  • wisebob134, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I highly doubt that they could identify him if they found "his" body
  • MrKlaatu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Ha! They open it on 'Live TV' in best Geraldo style...and out pops The Flying Spaghetti Monster!
  • foobermensch, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3All you liberal non-believers are going to BURN IN HELL anyway.

    Every Apostle (but one) was killed for his beliefs.

    These people saw SOMETHING that convinced them so totally that they were willing to give their lives.

    James Cameron is a fool. He let Linda Hamilton go.

    • LowRentDiggs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"These people saw SOMETHING that convinced them so totally that they were willing to give their lives."

      that's the story anyway
    • hilbertspaceboy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Hell is fiction, just like the Resurrection.

      LOL
    • schmoo42, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1uhhh.. ignorant enough?
      goodness.
      negativity won't convert anyone.
      i'm speaking to both Christian and Atheist.
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I'm going to burn in hell? That's not what Jesus said. Jesus said that God loved me just as much as he loves you. Jesus said that there's nothing that either of us could do in this world to save ourselves from sin. Jesus said that he died for me, just as he died for you, and that all of God's creation would go to heaven because God forgave all of us all. Act as self righteous as you want buddy, but there are only two possible outcomes that will eventually come to pass. Either both of us are going to be rotting in the ground, or I'm going to be enjoying heaven while you sit on a cloud and cry your eyes out because God loved all the "evil pagan liberal sinners!!!!1!1!" just as much as he loved you.
    • bruenig, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Waco ring a bell?
    • BriSoFli, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Many people - of many different religions - believed what they did strongly enough to kill and be killed. We can't use death counts to authenticate religions.
    • Kyderdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1>Every Apostle (but one) was killed for his beliefs.
      So hes still ALIVE ?????
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