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- 47knight, on 10/12/2007, -4/+133What if the guy is "drunk" too.
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+126Before going to "bed" I will give the women a test to walk a straight line and recite the alphabet backwards.
- shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+116"What if the guy is "drunk" too."
then both people will go to jail for raping each other.... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+107I'm so tired of this *****. It's like they're throwing the term "rape" around like it's nothing. They don't stop to think how something like this can destroy someone's life (not the rape, the criminal background).
rape1 /reɪp/ Pronunciation Key –noun
- Any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
Keyword, FORCED. Unless the girl is so drunk that she's just shy of clinically dead, she still has the power to say yes or no. This is absolutely absurd. Even if the guy knowingly took advantage of the girl because she was drunk, she still has the ability to make a choice. If it comes to this, maybe she should have passed on the last few drinks. What ever happened to personal responsibility?
This really pisses me off. - Renork, on 10/12/2007, -2/+79We should just make it illegal for women to drink at all, since this law seems to say that they cant handle it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+73It Ain't Rape, it's Surprise Sex
- soogy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+63If a guy is drunk, he gets jail time.
If a woman is drunk, she gets sex. And the guy gets jail time. - mrmcbastard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+61"What if the guy is "drunk" too."
He was obviously raped, too. - justice7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+61Yes i demand equality of rights here.
When my gf gets drunk she jumps me. Does that make me a rapist? - wagesj45, on 10/12/2007, -2/+51If you can't handle your alcohol, then don't drink. Far too many people blame rape for their bad judgment. No one deserves to get raped, and I don't want that to happen. I also believe in strict punishment for rape. But when you decide to drink you must accept the consequences of your actions and decisions. If you can't accept what you might do, then don't drink. Whatever happened to personal responsibility?
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -1/+48More to the point, I'm wondering how women will react to this law. A lot of girls I know become significantly more frisky once they've had a few, and I wonder if a possible chilling effect of this law will be that guys will not have sex with a girl who is even remotely intoxicated. This might end up being frustrating to many women.
- Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -4/+50@dclowd9901 -- No, that's obviously not what's going to happen. Drunk men are completely incapable of turning down sex when it's offered to them. Instead, the number of false accusations will rise, and a lot of innocent men will be convicted for the crime of not calling the girl back.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+44What's to keep a woman from having sex with a guy, going home, getting mildly drunk, then going to the doctor/police to report this 'crime'?
Seriously, some guys can get OWNED big time by this.
If it's a violent or "traditional" rape then I would say prosecute him. If some girl gets tipsy and consents... thats for her to deal with. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+40every bartender is now an accessory to rape
- deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+39Someone patent the breathalyser condom, quick.
- CrazyMike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37Not if we can somehow construct a penis breathalyzer attatchment. Oh the possibilites.
- quami16, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37That is absolutely ridiculous. I guess you can take one of two things here..
1) women aren't bright enough to be able to make decisions on their own once they've had something to drink (they said it, not me)
2) no drunk woman ever actually wants to have sex.
Jimmy Buffet is NOT happy about this. - Aalenox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31This law is stupid. It opens the door for massive manipulation of the system on a woman's part. Mainly, it is her word vs the man's as to whether or not she was "drunk". Basically, a man having sex with a woman *EVER* can now be called rape if the woman so desires. All she needs to do is go to a doctor after, prove that they had sex, and then claim she was drunk at the time.
The article claims that the law has a way to deal with this ... "Police would be asked to carry out blood and urine tests on a woman who complained of rape to find out how much alcohol is in her body. They would then used "back calculations" to work out how drunk she was at the time of the alleged attack." but again, it is a loophole so big I could fly the Enterprise through it. Have sex, wait until he leaves, and down about 8 shots.
All in all, the law is stupid because it could be so easily manipulated and used. - ajb2015, on 10/12/2007, -0/+25Yeah i'd be offended to be told by the government that I can't consent to sex if i'm drunk.
- biochem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25"before we have sex, can u blow into this breathalyzer?"
talk about a mood killer - badriram, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28personally I never understood the double standard of holding a drunk driver responsible for his/her decision, but a drunk woman is not for her decisions.... Either people in both situations should be held responsible, or not in both.
i hate double standards... - kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19You highlight the obvious gaping hole (sorry) in this proposed legislation.
What's to stop the man from downing a few bottles of wine right after the act, and then telling the judge he was drunk - making her just as guilty of rape as she is? I don't see the legislation being gender-specific, as there have been rare instances of men being raped by women. A woman ramming a dildo up a drunk man's arse would be considered rape, after all.
If women don't want to have sex they regret after getting drunk, they shouldn't go out on the town to places where people go to get hammered and laid. Failing that, go with at least one friend who'll be there to stop you shagging someone. Failing that, don't get drunk to the point where you can't remember anything the next day. Failing that, write "I DON'T CONSENT" in big letters across your waist.
If you give consent while drunk, it's still consent. It's not like drink driving - the act of having sex with a drunken woman is not a crime; it's only considered a potential crime if she claims consent wasn't given. Women need to take some responsibility...people go to certain places knowing there's a high chance they'll get drunk and shag someone.
This is the Labour government trying to force up the pitifully low rape conviction rate. They've followed the typical New Labour route: criminalising a certain behaviour without giving consideration to the ramifications of the legislation. - MrrCrow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18ha. that and driving
- nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Guys, this doesn't effect us. No girl could ever get drunk enough to have sex with the kinds of nerds you find on Digg (consensual or not, she'd find a way to stop you)
- luvkit, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Do these legislators even know any woman? Maybe I'm surrounded by whores, but I know alot of girls that go out with the express purpose to get drunk and get laid.
Sadly, they are my friends. I get none. - Araxen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18How are all the fat chicks gonna get laid now? Think of the fat chicks they need loving too!
- Shaunt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Really? *****. There goes my game.
- Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12......Close. Blame the girl for not having the sense to say "no I think I've had enough"
But still blame the guy who's walking down the hall and decides to bone the chick sleeping in a pool of her own vomit. - Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Yeah. Who are they to tell me if I'm too drunk to drive!.
Wait, what is this argument about? - punchingjudy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11How on earth are they going to be able to go back and prove someone was drunk at the time of sex?
- thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I believe this has been a law in California for quite some time.
- reddevil3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Man that's the only way I get any action. I guess I'm a rapist now.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Want to go to the bar with me? We'll pick up some victims.
- moovitz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Okay, what ever happend to personal responsibility? Last time I checked the drinking age was 21 in the U.S., and semantics aside, your old enough to take care of yourself. And why the ***** is it just women? Just because you lack a penis shouldn't be a trump card for 'victim'.
Man or Woman, It's you who decided to drink, it's you who went out and decided to wear tight/attractive/skimpy clothing to attract someone, and it should ***** well be you who has to deal with the concequences of waking up with a throbbing headache and the inhability to walk straight.
On that note, if you dont want to have sex when your drunk, go buy a chastity belt.
I don't think these people for this law understand the concequences of calling rape. It is impossible to defend yourself from that phrase. Just like calling someone a terrorist or in the southern states, gay. And if you don't belive me, let us recal back to the Salem witch trials. - LordSkywalker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I'm gonna get drunk, have sex with a girl, then claim rape, and try to sue her. Oh yeah, I'm a real ladies man. . .
- Pigeon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9This really ***** pisses me off. Instead of trying to track down _actual_ rapists they want to make their political image look better because they can say "Look! Look! Convictions for rape are up by 87%". Yet ANOTHER reason I'm leaving this insane ***** country once I have my degree.
My mother was raped about a year and a half ago and they have never caught the bastard. This man jumped her, dragged her away. _He_ is a REAL rapist, not the guy that ends up sleeping with a girl that gets so pissed that she can't remember so cries "rape". The UK has officially RUN OUT of prison space anyway, where are they going to put these probably _innocent_ men that are convected?
Every single ***** politician in this country has no clue about the real world. Hug a hoodie? You'll get a knife in your back and lose whatever is in your pockets. And now "If you sleep with a drunk women your raping her". Do they EVEN LOOK OUTSIDE? Women are worst binge drinkers then men, and they often go out to get pissed and have one night stands.
Sorry about the tone, but the UK is proving time and time again that it is run by a bunch of egotistical, money grabbing, moronic wankers. - Fafnir43, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8This law is misguided at best. I believe current UK law reflects the idea that a mentally incapacitated person (e.g. by alcohol or by drugs) retains some degree of personal responsibility and of the ability to make choices for himself. A murderer would not escape his sentence by pleading drunkenness, and drink driving is a criminal offense. By treating this offence as equivalent to rape, this law undermines that principle by saying, in effect, a choice you make while drunk is no choice at all and you have no responsibility for it. If we take that principle as being generally true, madness results. It shouldn't be statutory rape, either - over here, that's having sex with minors only (under 16s) AFAIK, and under a UK law minors are in fact considered unable to make choices for themselves and cannot be tried as adults. So, again, if the offence is known as statutory rape, the precedent is drunkenness is an excuse for any choice. Not to mention the fact that I suspect the psychological damage wrought by "rape" by drunken consent is substantially less than that wrought by true rape.
Of course, that's not the same thing as saying that someone who gets a woman drunk for the sole purpose of a one night stand should get off scot-free. If person X gets person Y drunk with the intention of persuading him to kill person Z (think a modern-day Iago), then X has obviously played a pretty significant part in the resuiting murder and should be punished in addition to Y; even though Y chose to commit the crime, he was manipulated into so choosing by X. This is also a crime under UK law - it's called incitement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement. Generalising the principle, the woman may choose to consent, but the man also chooses to take advantage of her, knowing that she would not have consented if she had been sober. Which is bad. So, in principle, I would support the introduction of a lesser offence for cases in which it could be shown that the man set out from the start to ply the woman with alcohol to get her into bed (a rough translation of the prerequisites for incitement). It would have to be a lesser offence, both for the reason I outlined above and because I imagine the psychological ramifications of statutory rape by drunken consent are rather milder than those of true rape. The law would also have to be written in such a way as to expressly require more evidence than the ostensible victim's word, to prevent abuse, and I'm not sure whether this is possible or not.
Oh yes, and we obviously can't just say "If the woman is drunk, it's rape, full stop". That way madness lies - a husband could "rape" his wife, and she could be perfectly happy with it - the next week she might "rape" him! It would make a mockery of the law. The important issue is whether or not she would have consented had she been sober. I assume even Blair can work that out, but I won't be confident until I've read the bill itself.
So, to sum up, violently against the current implementation, cautiously in favour of a saner implementation if one is possible. IANAL, this is not legal advice, and I've just pulled an all-nighter so this may not even be sane. Wibble. - DrunkenPirate34, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12You speak the truth man. I never do dumb stuff when I'm drunk, but I know people who do. It's all about self control and self responsibility. I'm drunk right now, and really want some food, but I am smart enough to know that I should not drive.
I am also smart enough to know that I would not do my friends girl friend.
Those that do dumb stuff when drunk should not drink. Don't blame the innocent guy that has sex with a consenting girl (while drunk), blame the girl for not having enough self control to say no. - bocaJWho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Not that I think that this is a very reasonable law, but this is already the case in many states in the US. Under most laws I am familiar with you can't consent to anything if you are impaired, therefor sex when one person is intoxicated is non-consensual which is statutory rape.
- qwertydvorak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@mxcl: "reckon male homosexuals have it best."
except for the anal sex - kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Since when did some feminists care about equality? They prefer the status quo where it's advantageous to women. See: divorce settlements, custody rights, child maintenance payments, and now drunken rape allegations.
- Kniggit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7How's this for a parallel: "I drank and got in my car, so it's not my fault the other person got in front of me and I killed them."
Or this one: "I was drunk, so I shouldn't be responsible for killing this guy."
Responsibility lies with ALL parties. - ethsen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@ mxcl
"as men we just have to learn to live with this, be bloody careful around women, and keep them happy, somehow."
"Men are screwed, and women think we oppress them somehow so we have to be extra considerate to them"
"As men we just have to smile and deal with it. Getting upset doesn't achieve anything apart form making women think we are insensitive."
Wow, are you sure you still have a penis? It's because of men like you, fearful, cowardly, putting up women on pedestals they don't belong, that men are getting the shaft these days. You are truly pathetic. Unfortunately you are becoming the norm in society. - strebormj, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Well-meaning authoritarianism, and a classic case of presuming the exception is the rule. This kind of legalized misandry is going to pave the way for countless convictions of innocent men. Additionally, this undermines the legal status of alcohol in general. Why not criminalize alcohol (again, in some countries) because some women misuse it and get raped?
In the States, we have an epidemic of women falsely accusing men of having raped them. (Some investigations have found over 60% of allegations were later found to be false.) Women do this for a variety of reasons, but the main reason appears to be to avoid taking responsibility for their actions. They get drunk, have the casual sex that feminism legitimized, wake up ashamed and risk embarrassment or being dumped by their significant other, so they file false rape charges.
Women are taught in their misandrist womens' studies classes that a woman's consent is never binding; at any time, even post-coitus, she can revoke it (and not even mention the fact to the hapless chap bedding her) if she changes her mind. The rationale is the (sexist) belief that women are inherently morally superior to men, who are denigrated in the curriculum as base, savage bastards with no redeeming qualities. (The other sexist implication, of course, is that women are incapable of making good choices and need special protection to prevent them from being taken advantage of.)
Another case of a well-meaning, special-interest law that is not going to solve the root problem (some predatory men taking advantage of some irresponsible women), but is going to put a lot of innocent men in prison. - Pigeon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Also, the amount of women that _actually_ drag men through the courts saying they were raped, when they are actually just out for revenge is astounding. If a women cries rape, everyone automatically assumes the guy is guilty, his image and name are printed up and down the country. No one thinks "She might be lying" and we can't ask that because we would be seen as "Rape supporters" or 'insensitive'.
I've seen men lose their wives, their children, their house, their jobs, their friends. EVERYTHING. Because a women cried rape just because she is pissed off and wants revenge.
Why does this happen? Because the papers can't print the photo/name of the women to 'protect her', but they can print the photo/name of the accused even BEFORE A GOD DAMN VERDICT! The boss sees the paper, fires the 'rapist', etc. Then it turns out he's not guilty but his life is already ruined, he has already lost everything, is associated with 'rape' because his photo has been on every paper in the country even though he is not guilty.
Someone put me the ***** in charge so we don't have to deal with this retarded crap anymore. - drmangrum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6There is a difference between drunk and unconscious. Most people have been drunk. You still have the ability to make decisions. You may lose some inhibitions, but your not stupid. It's not alcohol that makes people act stupid, its stupid that makes people act stupid.
- qwertydvorak, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12@badriram: drunk drivers endanger others, drunk women endanger themselves. that is the difference.
- bswopes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yup. You can't consent in California if you are impaired, so if a woman is drunk, its rape.
- ZernanToledo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is sheer madness. It shows how out of touch the government is with everyday people if they think they can introduce a law that will essentially criminalize drunk people having sex.
Every night countless thousands of people go out to discos and go home with an anonymous partner for a bit of bump and grind. To call it rape if a woman is excessively drunk is nuts - a great number of women (and men) are excessively drunk when they pull, its practically the norm. I'm sure we've all regretted nights of depraved drunken sex with strangers, but perhaps reflect on your choice of lifestyle rather than blaming the other person.
From the article: "It found that in 120 cases of sexual assault examined by researchers, in 119 cases the woman had been drinking."
Perhaps a sign to watch what you drink and stay in control of your actions? Again, an example of blame culture. - Kniggit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Tricked and coerced into getting drunk? I guess you really don't think very highly of women (or reality, when it comes down to it).
Unless a man is physically ramming a drink down a woman's gullet, she has the conscious choice of drinking or not. It's not like people have zero clue what drinking is about or what it does to you. NOBODY FORCES YOU TO DRINK BUT YOU. -
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