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- Pissoff, on 11/13/2007, -33/+514Here's hoping you're never wrongfully accused of anything you would need a lawyer for.
- Pestilence, on 11/13/2007, -141/+493Digg this. Lawyers are the scum of the earth second only to insurance companies.
- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -46/+381Sure it's fun to say lawyers are scum, till you need one to represent yourself.
- Elranzer, on 11/13/2007, -43/+284It's always ok when it's someone else's daughter. And it works in all situations...
You're all for banning Super Sizes for the good of America, but you order two medium fries yourself when you go to McDonalds.
You're all for banning gay marriage, except for your gay son's case.
You're all for keeping marijuana illegal, even though you smoked pot like a chimney in college.
You're all for more censorship in the case of Janet Jackson's tit, yet you looked for a better image of it online after the Superbowl.
You're all for the loss of some personal freedoms in the case of security, until your hippie daughter gets arrested for peaceful protest.
You're all for atheists, Muslims and Jews having less representation in government, yet get offended when Christianity doesn't get special treatment.
You're all for "saving the children" from sex and violence on TV yet as a kid you remember horror movies and nudie flicks best.
You're all for the bashing of gays because of your religious beliefs, yet you go to gay bath houses every weekend yourself. - inactive, on 11/13/2007, -41/+217He was doing his god damn JOB. If he did any less, he would be doing a disservice to everyone, because the legal system needs to have both sides do everything they can to win the case.
- kaelyiesta, on 11/13/2007, -22/+139It goes without saying that any legal system where the amount of money you throw at it determines the outcome is complete *****.
- PopsGG, on 08/28/2009, -1/+117Here is the pic that made her famous.
http://www.dyestat.com/3us/6out/NikeOutdoorNats/album-vic-jumps-g/images/154GM8W1004.jpg - jimsterbell, on 10/11/2007, -6/+109if no-one represents the defendant, its not much of a court case is it?
- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -6/+104Dear Mr. Stokke,
I'd hit it (repeatedly).
Sincerely,
the internet(s) - chris9902, on 10/11/2007, -5/+84apparently "innocent until proven guilty" is lost of some people.
- faithhealer, on 10/11/2007, -12/+78@victrola, lawyers defend criminals because they believe in the same system of justice that our founding fathers believed in and put into the U.S. Constitution. I guess no one cares about that old thing anymore.
- soratobou, on 10/11/2007, -46/+105One of his victims is probably trying to get back at him. She doesn't deserve it, but he sure as hell does. I'm pretty convinced that most lawyers who repeatedly represent despicable criminals are involved in criminal activity themselves.
- victrola, on 10/11/2007, -15/+74And yes, she doesn't deserve it, but she'll be okay. At the end of the day, she'll go to college and have a big, protective boyfriend who keeps her safe and considers himself the luckiest man alive. worse things have happened to women.
- sidekickeli, on 10/11/2007, -18/+76He's a lawyer. It's his job to defend these people. You can't condemn people without giving them a fair trial.
- faithhealer, on 10/11/2007, -7/+61When a defense lawyer defends an accused criminal, it does not mean they think what they are accused of doing is "ok." They are upholding the Constitution and the value of our judicial system so that when a jury finds a defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, it actually means something and justice is served. Or sometimes the accused person actually is innocent and gets a chance to prove it.
- bmxboy661, on 10/11/2007, -5/+57his daughter is FIT though.
- driftin079, on 10/11/2007, -4/+54@jackhole
You can judge somebody's character based on their athletic prowess? You must not catch many NBA games... - telair, on 10/11/2007, -4/+53For anyone who doesn't know why Allison is famous
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http://www.imagespar.com/view.php?img=24f466e3b462a45c4bd23c0a0c1d4e43 - Azimuth1, on 10/11/2007, -6/+53Because it's their job?
- irvman21, on 10/11/2007, -9/+41Clearly you have never been falsely accused of rape. You would have a different opinion if you had been.
- Pestilence, on 10/11/2007, -19/+50Mounting a defense on behalf of a client is one thing. Repeatedly 'defending' by attempting to defame sexual assault victims is entirely different. It's despicable.
- xero9, on 10/11/2007, -11/+38@DiggzDE
Couple of things I don't agree with..
First of all, lets get something straight. By saying people are stuck crawling their hypocritical asses back to "us" you mean lawyers, right? Cause um, hate to tell you this, but you aren't ***** right now, okay?
And just because someone doesn't know the law inside and out, doesn't mean their ignorant. Are you ignorant cause you don't take the time to learn how to put up that new addition to your home? Or because you didn't take the time to learn how to change the ball joints on your car?
Oh and by the way, if everyone took the time to learn their rights, you'd be unemployed. You stupid *****.
That said, I have no problems with lawyers - pseudojd, on 10/11/2007, -6/+32Wow, her dad ( who will prolly read this ) is a TOTAL douche. oh and hey, your daughter is hot.
- gcnaddict, on 10/11/2007, -40/+66"Sure it's fun to say lawyers are scum, till you need one to represent yourself."
Jack Thompson won't be representing anyone on here, and since all stereotyping rules apply on digg, the following is a logic chain for you:
| | Jack Thompson is a jackass ***** douchebag. Jack Thompson is a Lawyer. Thus, all lawyers are jackass ***** douchebags.
See? It all works out. - killiansman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+27haha, how many of you googled her after reading this?
- Sucat, on 10/11/2007, -15/+40Dugg down simple because of the source. I hate biased dugg material. It just encourages irrational mob behavior.
- sgglynn, on 10/11/2007, -17/+40@DiggzDE
"you will be stuck crawling your hypocritical asses back to us"
Not really, you wouldnt know that it was us saying things about you... Just because we might someday need you doesn't mean we can't criticize you as much as we want... Like the government, practically useless, but sometimes, we need it to get something we want, like you - ayeroxor, on 10/11/2007, -37/+60This is absurd - exactly the kind of garbage I expect to come from modern pseudo-feminists who think they have it so rough.
This lawyer never said it was okay the other times. He never said he was not offended by the accusations. He was providing defendants their constitutionally promised right to competent defense.
Clearly, these "feminists" would prefer no trial. Where I come from, that's considered un-American. Defense is promised to everyone, even if you don't like them.
As for those of you who "hate" attorneys, police, whomever: be sure not to call them if/when you are ever wronged or charged with a crime, okay?
Like it or not, our system isn't perfect, but police and attorneys are all unnecessary components. If you don't understand that, you never passed 5th-grade civics courses.
Character attacks on attorneys who have done nothing but fulfill their constitutional role are really character attacks on the constitution. To say they cannot seek justice for their children or families because they have defended others is mob mentality.
Those of you who believe this are of the same ilk as those that once burned witches. You seek no justice, only "righteous" retribution, and if his daughter suffers for what you perceive to be his wrongs, that's fine with you? Disgusting. - johnnick, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25To paraphrase a frequent internet disclaimed, IAAL, and the problem with lawyers is the 95% of them who make the rest of us look bad. ;-)
As many people have noted, the right to an attorney to defend yourself is enshrined in our law. The Founding Fathers had seen what unchecked governmental power could do, and placed a number of restrictions in the Constitution to protect the individual from the State. Criminal defense lawyers play an important part in our justice system, and are frequently maligned for doing so. The point of a defense lawyer is to force the State to prove its case. To zealously advocate for the rights of the lawyer's client to make sure that the government is not abusing its power and/or convicting an innocent person.
The government has tremendous interest in appearing tough on crime, and that has led to a number of ridiculous prosecutions. There is no milage for any government official in appearing "soft on crime." The government has virtually unlimited resources when it comes to investigating and prosecuting a crime, and has police forces and cadres of state and federal prosecutors to do so. Those people have an interest in arresting and convicting as many people as possible. Police and prosecutors do great, essential, dangerous and frequently thankless work. Although the government has significant resources when compared to an individual, police forces and prosecutors are all overworked and underfunded, too. The way they advocate for more funding and more resources is by showing success at arresting and prosecuting alleged criminals. Then there are the bad apples who either through ignorance, prejudice, laziness or corruption are attempting to subvert the law. The only defense against over-zealous or improper prosecution is those people who are willing to defend all those who are charged with crimes, to force the State to prove its case, or in circumstances where someone may be guilty, to explain their actions so that the penalty assessed is appropriate.
Some defense attorneys take it too far. Some believe that every person they get off is "one for their side" against what they believe are unjust prosecutions. Similarly, some police officers and prosecutors go too far and figure that even if they arrest the wrong person, that person was probably guilty of something.
But to say that all criminal defense attorneys are scum because of what they do is beyond unfair, it is actually a slap at the foundations of our system. And to say that all lawyers are scum because you don't like what happens in a few highly publicized cases demonstrates a level of ignorance and prejudice that I hope you aren't actually capable of.
So, do I agree with everything defense attorneys do and say? No. Do I think some of them deserve being called scum-sucking bottom feeders? Yes. But that's on a case-by-case basis, and my list of people in that category includes far more non-lawyers than it does lawyers. - AnteChronos, on 10/11/2007, -7/+30"What a toolbox."
It's his JOB to defend these people. Note that "defend" in this case is used in the legal sense, not in the sense of "thinking what they were accused of doing was okay". - TedwardRoberts, on 10/11/2007, -8/+30FTA: “She got what she wanted,” Al Stokke said, of the stripper. “She’s an overtly sexual person.”
I enjoyed that line - Pestilence, on 10/11/2007, -28/+50Some day you'll be a jaded pig scumbag lawyer. Mark my words.
- br0ck, on 10/11/2007, -7/+28"and have a big, protective boyfriend who keeps her safe"
I guess she'll have to upgrade because her current boyfriend looks like a little twerp that even your average agoraphobic basement dweller could take out in a fair fight: http://celebrityhubris.com/images/photo/520740457/Allison-Stokke-Pole-Vaulter-63.html - VSLOATHE, on 10/11/2007, -0/+21Kids these days...
A Victrola was a record player. Named for its inventor. - rosefu, on 10/11/2007, -12/+32"Clearly, these 'feminists' would prefer no trial. Where I come from, that's considered un-American. Defense is promised to everyone, even if you don't like them."
It's not about feminism. It's about having a basic sense of decency and humanity. There comes a point when the lawyers are ridiculous and just plain inhumane toward the victims of a crime that has been committed. Defense is also not equal in this country, due to disparities in income. Public attorneys have far more cases to handle than these private attorneys with high-paying clients.
From http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/bad-dads/24696/?page=2 -- Stokke said, "There's [no pain] that is felt because she was unconscious," referring to the woman who has been gang-raped with Snapple bottles and pool sticks. Don Haidl, father of one of the rapists, "lives in a $5 million guarded estate in Newport Coast." The sentence for these 3 gang rapists is 6 years in prison, less than half of what they could have received.
The justice system does not serve justice in this country, just ice. - lostboy, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20Funnily enough some of the people I have the biggest respect for are human rights lawyers. They count as lawyers too right?
- rekrapt, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18There are plenty of ambulance chasing lawyers to be sure... but, they are not all like that. There must be someone to do the dirty job in court. Our system requires a vigorous defense by the accused. Even criminals must get a fair trial. Many lawyers take cases they may not be all that hot to take because someone has to do it.
IANAL... but, I work in a large law firm. - boyasunder, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15I'll give you annoyance at bias in news reports, but there's nothing wrong with digging a story on a site that is clear and upfront in its worldview. We digg conservative and liberal sites all the time. As long as you can tell from what perspective the author is coming from (and it's pretty clear when it's something called "Feministing") I don't see a thing wrong with putting it up for people to check out.
- Shaman760, on 10/11/2007, -4/+19Karma's a bitch.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+17I think we all agree that the lawyer's daughter didn't have it coming to her despite her father's transgressions. The point of the story is the father's reaction to it happening being so ***** hypocritical. Yes, we need an adversarial system where the defendant is given the most vigorous defense possible. Where it went wrong was when we started accepting perjury by defense attorneys and defamation of the victim as a defense. While I feel pity for the daughter, I feel contempt for the father.
- hootpie, on 10/11/2007, -17/+31It's called hypocrisy folks and the world is filled with it.
- matsiescruff, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17I completely agree with you. The daughter in no way "deserves" the unwanted attention she has received, but the father's actions in prior (and arguably more serious) incidents that involved the degradation of women show a horrible hypocrisy.
Some girl got gang-raped with Snapple bottles and pool sticks and he says that because the girl was unconscious when this happened there was no pain as a result? That's not defending your client, that's degrading the victim and acting as if a gang-rape is somehow okay if the victim is unconscious. Wtf? There's a difference between a good defense tactic and a misogynist appealing to other misogynists. - Pissoff, on 10/11/2007, -6/+18I think the cop got off (cough) too easy (cough), but that doesn't mean you should freak out about the lawyer who defended him.
Maybe someday you will get wrongfully accused of something horrible, then are unable to get a good defense because all the lawyers you talk to believe "what you did" was wrong. Then you can go to jail and rot, while thinking about the need for equal and fair representation in our justice system. The lawyer got the man a not guilty plea, the jury was dumb enough to go along with his comments.
Also it's noteworthy that the quotes mentioned in the "article" are just the blogger's words, I don't see any links to the source.
Last thought, why did this woman sit there the whole time he was working up to that? Couldn't she driven away before her sweater got a protein boost? I mean gross and its wrong, but wtf? - logicnazi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11Uhh, no they have a moral responsibility to defend their clients. The whole idea of our system is that the government should have to prove it's case and if no one will defend unpopular clients or ones everyone 'knows' are guilty then the whole system stops working.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13@sabach, I do not have a law degree, nor do I plan on ever going after one. I have had the displeasure of being arrested by a squad of corrupt police officers for drinking at a ***** college football game whilst sitting in a lawn chair at a tailgate, and the only reason I was relieved of ALL charges was because I had a lawyer that understood my situation.
- SwellGuy007, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13My bad
It almost sounds dirty when you ask like that .... I threw her on the couch and googled her a good one :p - V3n0M, on 10/11/2007, -16/+26"Digg this. Lawyers are the scum of the earth second only to insurance companies."
Don't forget Telemarketers!! - zoweee, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14You know, all this "he's just zealously defending his clients, you hate the Constitution OMGBBQ" crap is incredibly ridiculous. There is a moral line regarding zealous defence, and I am sorry but smearing a rape victim to defend a client, even if that client is innocent, crosses the line. Is it legal? Sure. Do idiots defend that course of action by pointing at the Constitution and calling such actions patriotic? Double sure.
Additionally, are there occasions where one HAS to resort to defaming the prosecution? Yes, of course there are. But "she got what she wanted, she's an overtly sexual person" is ***** disgusting. It humiliates the victim (and the statement itself proves she was victimized) in order to play to the base stereotypes of the jury. - lechatron, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11"Allan Stokke defended a cop who jerked off on a stripper during a routine traffic stop."
That doesn't sound "routine" to me. - poornbroken, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10actually, lawyers DO have a choice. they can decline a case if they feel that they wouldn't be able to give their client adequate defense (ie, in the case the lawyer believes his client is guilty).
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