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Israeli troops accused of abuse
news.bbc.co.uk — Israeli human rights group has accused Israeli soldiers of routinely abusing bound Palestinian prisoners.
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- bepart, on 06/22/2008, -19/+90"On certain occasions, the ill-treatment of Palestinian detainees is highly violent, resulting in serious injuries," said the report, which covers the period from June 2006 to October 2007.
"Minors, who must be granted special protection under both Israeli and international law, are also victims of abuse," the report said.- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -28/+11last time I checked, strapping a bomb to your self and running into a crowded market or park with little kids is "highly violent"
I'm going to make a safe assumption here and say that the good guys are the ones that aren't doing that.- writie, on 06/23/2008, -2/+22Guilty until proven innocent is a principle upon which most democracies - Israel included - are built.
So until there has been a judgment of some sort, the people being rounded up are also "good guys that aren't doing that". Brutalising suspects is not the same as punishing criminals. Worse, it stokes the fires of discontent.- seraph582, on 06/23/2008, -6/+3How do you punish a smoking pile of jihad-giblets? Hell, how do you even take it to court?
- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Ya lets take them to court and then stone them to death, or make it so if a women is raped 4 people must witness it. Go jump off a bridge I promise Allah will catch you...
- waynechng, on 06/23/2008, -2/+19Neither is bulldozing houses with M1 Abrams tanks and those are the "good guys" doing that.
- seraph582, on 06/23/2008, -4/+3still the lesser of two evils by lightyears
- glasnostic, on 06/23/2008, -2/+7seraph.
when making a determination as to how evil a person is, one must look at motivation as well.
for instance, suicide bombers are committing these acts of terrorism because that is the ONLY thing the have left that fight the Israelis.
Israelis are bulldozing homes because they want to ethnically cleans the west bank and Gaze of its Palestinians so that they can make more room for Jews. (yes i said Jews not Israelis because while there are Israelis who are not Jews, those Israelis are not allowed to settle in the land taken illegally from the Palestinians)
so... light years? i think not. - HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1You can hear a tank coming from a mile away, not to mention it is in response to some one strapping a bomb to them selves and killing innocent people. You have no rational ground to stand on. exit the internet
- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1The reason you claim it is the only thing left to do is because for over 2,000 years those people still live in HUTS, THROW STONES, and have a new Militia with some tag line every week. If those people were able to form a solid civilization and stop living in the stone age they might have a chance.
If you think that a suicide bomber is the only thing left to fight Israel than I have big news for you, Those people are extremely lucky Israel doesn't just roll through and annihilate Palestine. An ethnic cleansing could be done, and the rest of the world recognizes this. But they don't, they are open to peace, to share, to live with one another...
The land given to the Jews is a small price to pay, where the hell was Palestine during the war? or the people...
So in Summary:
Tough *****, move on.
- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/24/2008, -0/+1There are a lot of terrorists on this site
- writie, on 06/23/2008, -2/+22Guilty until proven innocent is a principle upon which most democracies - Israel included - are built.
- poidh, on 06/23/2008, -21/+6Israeli troops are accused of "abusing" jihadis who want to murder all the Jews and throw their bodies into the Mediterranean? My heart bleeds.
- CressCrowbits, on 06/23/2008, -3/+6Yes, because everyone they arrest is immediately guilty.
Glad to see people without this ridiculous libtard post-medieval view of justice.
/s - seraph582, on 06/23/2008, -1/+2Well put, poidh! Wish I could digg you twice. ***** those fascist fundie assholes
- glasnostic, on 06/23/2008, -1/+3facist fundie assholes? have you seen the kind of people who are settling the west bank? have you seen what they are doing the the Palestinians? do you know one ***** this about the conflict..
oh *****.. no way.. two completely ignorant comments from you on the subject.. the last thing i want to do is try to educate another racist ***** anti-semite (arabs are semites)
- glasnostic, on 06/23/2008, -1/+3facist fundie assholes? have you seen the kind of people who are settling the west bank? have you seen what they are doing the the Palestinians? do you know one ***** this about the conflict..
- CressCrowbits, on 06/23/2008, -3/+6Yes, because everyone they arrest is immediately guilty.
- 5urr3al5am, on 06/23/2008, -11/+4man this is a real anti-Israel site hhmm?
- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -28/+11last time I checked, strapping a bomb to your self and running into a crowded market or park with little kids is "highly violent"
- zerocool1990, on 06/22/2008, -90/+119Wouldn't expect less from the soldiers of the most disgusting army in the world.
- skidme, on 06/23/2008, -51/+29***** you. I know some people in the IDF, and they are better people than you can ever hope to be.
- Mohdoo, on 06/23/2008, -10/+6I lol'd
- skidme, on 06/23/2008, -34/+23Oh, and thankfully there aren't any videos of the IDF throwing puppies off of a cliff, otherwise there might have been an outrage.
- whiterice0, on 06/23/2008, -43/+28Don't Digg this moron up. Look at the other stories he's been digging up and commenting on. He states that he's from Jeruselum, but he's far more likely an Arab that hates Israel and Jews.
-- Israeli troops executing a Palestinian kid, faking a suicide bomber.
-- Israeli troops accused of abuse
-- Listening Post-The trial of Al Jazeera
-- Israel: Worst terrorist nation in the world.
"Comment in News (-4 diggs, 1 reply) - on 06/21/2008
Israel has no right to exist as a nation from the first place. And don't give me that it's because Jews were there 2000 years ago *****. (see comment) 74 "
Israel: Worst terrorist nation in the world.
Dugg in News - on 06/21/200898
2 anti semites go to Israel...
Dugg in News - on 06/21/2008- flogistan, on 06/23/2008, -9/+20Now why are we not supposed to digg this up?
- bepart, on 06/23/2008, -8/+22so what? those seem fine to me
- WESTEE, on 06/23/2008, -26/+11i know people in the IDF 2, and you should all just ***** off, do you guys even ***** understand how much bull ***** Jews have taken since the beginning of ***** time AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON ***** BS ABOUT HOW THE ISRAELS TOOK THE LAND
Muslims have to bitch about every single thing, the JEWS and ISRAELIS have been persecuted and ***** MURDERED for no ***** reason since the beginning of time, and you ass holes are complaining that a couple of people got ruffed up
seriously...
***** off- 911ArtStudent, on 06/23/2008, -12/+15The politics of victimization began with Zionists demanding free reign to get away with murder (literally) because of the Holocaust. Looks like other aggrieved minorities have learned to use the same ploy. "I'm a victim, so I can get away with anything."
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -2/+4Westee, actually, if you go back and read the Old Testament, you'll see the Hebrews committed their fair share of genocide and ethnic cleansing themselves.
And they did take land that wasn't theirs, such as the West Bank and Gaza, as well as the Golan Heights.
- 911ArtStudent, on 06/23/2008, -10/+14He's right.
- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -5/+6Yep Digg is officially where i can play with terrorists.
- zerocool1990, on 06/23/2008, -5/+3Yeah I'm a Palestinian so I'm a terrorists. What an ignorant!
- zerocool1990, on 06/23/2008, -7/+6hehe No I'm just a Palestinian college student from Jerusalem. And I don't hate Jews, I hate the IDF and zionists like you.
- bbqsalad, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2I hate humans.
- Ligrone, on 06/23/2008, -25/+40What an insightful commentary that contains no hyperbole. I congratulate you sir, for a completely unbiased opinion. May I suggest that you elaborate by comparing the Israel to Nazi Germany. Perhaps you could photoshop an image of IDF soldiers marching with "Goose-stepping" in large lolcatz lettering across it. Then you would be the pinnacle of wit AND brevity.
- waynechng, on 06/23/2008, -12/+19They way that they're treating the Palestinian civilians, they might as well wear SS badges on their uniforms.
- vinod1978, on 06/23/2008, -9/+7As opposed to what Americans troops did to suspects in Gitmo?
- helpfulcorn, on 06/23/2008, -2/+3That's interesting, because I didn't know the Israelis had a government wide conspiracy to eradicate Palestinians from the face of the earth. If that is their true MO, they sure are doing an absolutely horrible job at it.
- waynechng, on 06/23/2008, -12/+19They way that they're treating the Palestinian civilians, they might as well wear SS badges on their uniforms.
- redfox2600, on 06/23/2008, -19/+28So you're saying the Palestinian are holy and pure? Come on it the old "eye for an eye" situation. Hamas launches a few missiles into Israeli which for some ***** up reason keeps landing on a bus full of children. Then they call in the military to help clean that bus up. I don't know about you but I'll be pretty pissed off and after some blood if I had to deal with that ***** every other ***** day. So the next guy who is capture that is suspected of launching that missile get to pay for those kids.
I know some might say "but they are suppose to be solders and not pull ***** like that" well guess what they're human stop expecting them to be angels for crying out loud.
Also why don't we hear from the other side? I'm pretty sure the Palestinian prisons aren't 5 star hotels either. Or what about the terror cell treatment of their captives?- writie, on 06/23/2008, -5/+7As long as there is a military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, there will be problems. Armies - no matter which army - are not made to police civilian zones. The US, British, Russia, China, NATO, etc. all have had problems with brutality. It's sad but almost inevitable. There is no reason to believe the IDF in particular is somehow above such acts.
Everything has to be done to end the occupation as soon as possible, and that involves negotiation. As it happens, it has been a good week for that. So maybe just maybe this is a turning point.- neko6, on 06/23/2008, -3/+5There is no occupation of Gaza for 3 years now, and the events of the story are not in Palestine.
- waynechng, on 06/23/2008, -8/+9The Hamas rockets are usually launched after an incursion or attack by Israeli forces. That's one thing that gets left off the news reports. The other thing that gets left off is the retaliation of the hundreds of missiles in response. For each rocket launched, Palestinians get hundreds in return. It's eye for an eye for a bushel of eyes.
- vinod1978, on 06/23/2008, -4/+10"For each rocket launched, Palestinians get hundreds in return. It's eye for an eye for a bushel of eyes."
@waynechng - Dude Osama Bin Laden killed thousands of American lives and we invaded a whole country, Afghanistan (and rightfully so). Of course if someone attacks you - you are going to attack them much harder to eliminate the threat. That's just basic military SOP. - dkapuchino, on 06/23/2008, -5/+8*****.
A. your numbers are way skewed.
B. Israel uses precise guided missiles to specifically taget terrorists, with as little collataral damage as possible. The Palestinians aim unguided rockets towards Israeli towns.
C. Israel doesn't retaliate. Israel kills terrorists to prevent them from attacking again.
- vinod1978, on 06/23/2008, -4/+10"For each rocket launched, Palestinians get hundreds in return. It's eye for an eye for a bushel of eyes."
- arjie, on 06/23/2008, -1/+2I think this discussion is in need of some facts:
http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Casualti ...
Palestinians killed by Israeli security forces - 4718
Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians - 236
Additional data, included in above:
Palestinian minors killed by Israeli security forces - 944
Israeli minors killed by Palestinians - 39
B'Tselem is an Israeli Human Rights group. Please consider being informed about a topic before you begin making provocative statements. In addition, I also wish to point out the false dichotomy in your first statement, "So you're saying the Palestinian are holy and pure?". The situation is not either/or and I cannot believe that you're being dugg up for a comment that is neither insightful nor informative nor in any way sensible.
Your comment is also representative of the nonsense that surrounds the entire Palestine-Israel conflict. When there aren't any facts to base an argument on you fall back on emotion, inciting people with vague comments about children being killed. Pathetic.- solid12345, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1Well no *****, the Palestinians bring the conflict to their own backyard which is why their civilian death count is higher.
- redfox2600, on 07/05/2008, -0/+1@arjie
""So you're saying the Palestinian are holy and pure?". The situation is not either/or and I cannot believe that you're being dugg up" That was the whole point of my statement. The parent was spinning off the IDF as "disgusting" and I was trying to show him that the other side is about as guilty as the other.
Beside usually when a soldier does ***** like this he doesn't give a ***** about the numbers. It's just one event that pissed him off, hell everyone could live, and he'll be out for blood. I used emotion so that people could empathize a bit instead of just assuming one side is evil.
- writie, on 06/23/2008, -5/+7As long as there is a military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, there will be problems. Armies - no matter which army - are not made to police civilian zones. The US, British, Russia, China, NATO, etc. all have had problems with brutality. It's sad but almost inevitable. There is no reason to believe the IDF in particular is somehow above such acts.
- Barackalypse, on 06/23/2008, -15/+21You're confusing the Israeli army with the UN peace keepers, who rape non-combatant children they were supposed to protect.
- xintel, on 06/23/2008, -20/+20Most disgusting army in the world? I'm very sorry my friend, but though you are stating your opinion and your standard of what is "disgusting" can deviate from mine, you are totally in the wrong direction. The IDF is the most sympathetic army to date. There is no other army that actually attempts to protect its ENEMIES during battle (when safe). Brutality is unknown to them. They defend their nation and have a conscience while they do so.
- zerocool1990, on 06/23/2008, -13/+12Dude I seriously laughed my ass out. Protect it's enemies ? Like when they invade Ramallah and start shooting in the busiest street in the city ?
Brutality is unknown to them ? You say that because you don't see what I see. Like when they beat a false confession from my 16 years old friend.- neko6, on 06/23/2008, -8/+11You mean when they invade Ramallah and got SHOT by militants and had to shoot back? IDF will never initiate combat inside the enemies' city, its both against IDF rules as well as suicide for them.
"Like when they beat a false confession from my 16 years old friend." - are you sure he wasn't guilty? Then issue a supreme court against the soldiers, and they will be put in jail, as its against IDF policy to torture.
Fact is, this conflict has the minimal civilian casualty rate in modern history. Check it out for yourself. - ElAssoWipo, on 06/23/2008, -4/+5OMG you're insane.
You're blaming the people getting invaded for defending themselves.
"IDF will never initiate combat inside the enemies' city"
You're right, they bomb everything first, then walk in.
- neko6, on 06/23/2008, -8/+11You mean when they invade Ramallah and got SHOT by militants and had to shoot back? IDF will never initiate combat inside the enemies' city, its both against IDF rules as well as suicide for them.
- zerocool1990, on 06/23/2008, -13/+12Dude I seriously laughed my ass out. Protect it's enemies ? Like when they invade Ramallah and start shooting in the busiest street in the city ?
- prleet, on 06/23/2008, -11/+3lmao
- squaredUP, on 06/23/2008, -10/+5Israel is in a fight for their lives. Basically everyone in that entire region would love to see every Israeli burn. So, day in and day out they deal with random rockets and bombs in their towns and neighborhoods. I do not condone their action, but maybe you should not advocate the death of these 'terrible' Israeli's and break the cycle of violence.
As long as each side responds to violence and antagonizes the other then this will never stop, and certainly never be humane.
So don’t sit and tout your righteous biased crap here or anywhere. Because war is war, do not try to draw sympathy to your side of this argument that violates both the Israeli and Muslim religious laws or whatever. You both are responsible, so live with what war brings. I wish you many, many more years of conflict to solve your stupid land dispute. - JimmyJoseph, on 06/23/2008, -7/+3You're a moron. I don't think you know what you're talking about at all.
- zerocool1990, on 06/23/2008, -1/+2Well enlighten me. But since I live under direct occupation, I don't think you will.
- JimmyJoseph, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1Really? How are you online then? I thought the Israeli monsters made day to day life unlivable for you guys...
- skidme, on 06/23/2008, -51/+29***** you. I know some people in the IDF, and they are better people than you can ever hope to be.
- 7Mystery, on 06/22/2008, -34/+26Israeli troops? Thats like saying "German troops are accused of genocide" of Nazi Germany.
- orientis, on 06/23/2008, -10/+14Come on man, don't paint with such a wide brush. Have some sense, not every Israeli is a Zionist, not every IDF member is a brutal killer. I doubt the psychos are even a majority - on either side of this issue.
- RoflcopterFUEL, on 06/23/2008, -3/+12orientis is right, look at israli organizations like B'etselem, they do much good to promote peace and fight brutality.
- pintomp3, on 06/23/2008, -2/+10very true. there is more opposition to israel's policies within israel than in the US. it's unfortunate that people think jews are a homogeneous group that blindly supports israels policies. part of is because there is very little coverage any criticism of israel in the US media. most israelis, just like most palestinians, just want to live in peace. as is the case in many countries, the leadership is not a true reflection of the people.
- zolthar, on 06/23/2008, -5/+2the submitter of the article, even if he agree's with your comment (which is true), would have liked you not to write it, since his goal is biased propaganda.
- hotlatte, on 06/23/2008, -14/+6It goes beyond that. To even think of comparing any Israeli or even a Zionist with the Nazi's is an abonination, and doesn't deserve your thoughtful reply. It's the statement of a complete moron.
- jaymzdean, on 06/23/2008, -10/+11"or even a Zionist"
****** ALERT!! ***** ALERT!!"
Never let anyone tell you that Zionism doesn't compare with Naziism. Zionism is racial supremacy, pure and simple. Zionism is alot like the KKK only much more powerful and, apparently...Kosher.
***** the Zionists to Hell.
- jaymzdean, on 06/23/2008, -10/+11"or even a Zionist"
- 7Mystery, on 06/23/2008, -5/+7You're right, I couldn't agree with you more. What I was trying to say is Israeli occupies the Palestinian territories. And the atrocities that take place in the occupied land are more of systematic then couple dishonored troops.
- d1gp1g, on 06/23/2008, -1/+5Not all Americans are like George Bush and Dick Cheney. Unfortunately when people think of the U.S., they think of the NeoCons.
And when people think of Israel, they think of Zionists and genocide.
- RoflcopterFUEL, on 06/23/2008, -3/+12orientis is right, look at israli organizations like B'etselem, they do much good to promote peace and fight brutality.
- Lucas123, on 06/23/2008, -9/+5Careful, trying to think with a limited brain like your may take away from more vital functions, such as breathing.
- johnboycanada, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2Yes, this one registered very high on my "no-*****!" meter. Uh, really you think?
- orientis, on 06/23/2008, -10/+14Come on man, don't paint with such a wide brush. Have some sense, not every Israeli is a Zionist, not every IDF member is a brutal killer. I doubt the psychos are even a majority - on either side of this issue.
- zombies187, on 06/22/2008, -24/+42Israel should be better than this.
- stonebear, on 06/22/2008, -12/+30That's what Rabbi Yeshua of Nazareth used to say, and, after he said it enough times that people started listening to him, "Israel" killed him for it. Funny how supposedly fundamentalist Christian Americans rally behind modern Israel as though it were a place from a naive, bronze age bible story, and completely ignore their own Christian concept of a benign spiritual Israel, which is meant by God to supplant old testament zionist tyranny.
- solid12345, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Likewise funny how athiest liberals despise a secular Israel but stick up for radical Muslim jihad groups like Hamas
- zebco, on 06/23/2008, -2/+35Lots of things should be better than they are. The United States should be better than THIS but clearly we're not.
- Barackalypse, on 06/23/2008, -8/+9Israel is better than this, although some of its soldiers are not. If this were an official policy of their military or their government, it would be damning, but right now its just some soldiers that are out of control and it will be investigated and punished. The UN peace keepers had similar problem, so did the LAPD.
- synaesthete, on 06/23/2008, -2/+1""Israel" killed him for it. "
You have GOT to be ***** kidding me. Wow, - kelmaster1, on 06/23/2008, -2/+2Should be? It will only get worst, this has been going on for the last 60 years. Don't expect to get accurate media reports either...
- stonebear, on 06/22/2008, -12/+30That's what Rabbi Yeshua of Nazareth used to say, and, after he said it enough times that people started listening to him, "Israel" killed him for it. Funny how supposedly fundamentalist Christian Americans rally behind modern Israel as though it were a place from a naive, bronze age bible story, and completely ignore their own Christian concept of a benign spiritual Israel, which is meant by God to supplant old testament zionist tyranny.
- Xolom, on 06/23/2008, -47/+36Seriously, what's next for this site? Holocaust denial?
The anti-israel and anti-jewish sentiment on this site is sickening.- orientis, on 06/23/2008, -15/+58Anti-Israel is not Anti-Jew.
- skidme, on 06/23/2008, -10/+14Yeah, for some reason the Anti-Israel articles have been rampant on digg as of late.
- jaymzdean, on 06/23/2008, -11/+27That's because the Zionist's crimes have been more visible as of late.
- skidme, on 06/23/2008, -10/+14Yeah, for some reason the Anti-Israel articles have been rampant on digg as of late.
- bepart, on 06/23/2008, -3/+35and news about Israeli atrocities are alright as long as they are true
- 5urr3al5am, on 06/23/2008, -10/+3so many people are in denial its scary .. It makes one wonder if digg is just a propaganda tool for anti-Israel sentiment?
- TheLoneHoot, on 06/23/2008, -1/+4Open your mind a bit - perhaps the only reason such articles tend to flourish here, is that you won't see them covered in the mainstream, thanks to our commercial media which doesn't like such things. Why? If I have to get into that then it's going to require you to open your mind a lot.
- j0c1f3r, on 06/23/2008, -2/+5OMG....so if anyone says anything wrong about israel or jews than we are anti-semetic and crazy like Hitler????...how convenient for the poor jews....come on....be fair....if we ignore when people do bad ***** because of their race/religion, then we open a door for people to be ***** to whoever and thats how you get hate....pay attention and stop trying to give one race/religion an advantage over another.
- TheLoneHoot, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3I agree with you, but you know, your avatar kind of undermines your whole stance a bit, dontcha think?
- kayvman78, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1You are right bout anti-Israel but not Anti-Jewish. You need to make a decision based on your humanity, not your religion. This is a Jewish group that is putting this info out there. It's not some terrorist propaganda machine. These are JEWS (REAL JEWS) saying that this ***** needs to stop. So stop playing the same tired ***** holocaust card and come down to earth.
- orientis, on 06/23/2008, -15/+58Anti-Israel is not Anti-Jew.
- collegekidd, on 06/23/2008, -39/+13They probably deserved it.
- jaymzdean, on 06/23/2008, -6/+14And with any luck, I'll be saying the same thing about you someday.
- WESTEE, on 06/23/2008, -19/+2and with any luck ur gunna be one of the ass holes who get ***** by them some day jaymzdean
- kayvman78, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Then the Israelis deserve every rocket that falls on their head. I don't mean that but It's really easy to say that isn't it? I love every person living in fear over there.. Jew or Palestinian. So the next time you want to play judge, just don't.
- hinchb, on 06/23/2008, -30/+111Israel? Human Rights Violations? I'm shocked.
The thing that sucks though is if you try to criticize Israel you are anti-semitic, and aren't just looking at the situation objectively.- jabberwolf, on 06/23/2008, -25/+9Whats shocking is if you read the article...
and THEN realize why people are calling digg anti-semtic when they submit ***** like this by left wing groups that have no proof, no evidence, and support groups based o propaganda. The same groups that send kids strapped with bombs to blow themselves up.
Why would they support these groups over Israel actually just being a normal country trying to defend itself from being destroyed? - the reasoning? Anti-Semitism.
That or retardation - your pick!- writie, on 06/23/2008, -3/+11Israel is not a normal country trying to defend itself. It is occupying a state by military force and has been doing so for 40 years, more or less reluctantly depending on who you talk to.
There is nothing anti-Semitic in this article, just the claim (and not the first one) of brutality against prisoners. It has nothing to do with being Jewish, as there is no reason to believe Jews in general approve of such actions or that it is a particularly Jewish trait. In fact, there are numerous groups within Israel that condemn army brutality.
If anything, the people defending the IDF on this board are displaying either a shocking level of racism or ignorance of the situation in the West Bank. Neither attitude helps.- squaredUP, on 06/23/2008, -3/+1The Israeli's have been there for awhile, but who was there before them? Before those people? And before those? That area has been under control by so many groups of people its not even funny. The Jews were there a long long time ago as well. So who's is it really?
Thats the argument both sides are fighting over. They both think its theirs and they both have a valid argument for it.
- squaredUP, on 06/23/2008, -3/+1The Israeli's have been there for awhile, but who was there before them? Before those people? And before those? That area has been under control by so many groups of people its not even funny. The Jews were there a long long time ago as well. So who's is it really?
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+4jabberwolf, by using your very own logic, then if you are opposed to Barack Obama then you're a racist.
Criticism of Israel's policies is not anti-Semitism. In fact, many Jews are very critical of them, and please don't give me the usual BS about them being "self-hating Jews"... - TheLoneHoot, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3jabberwolf, why don't you look into the situation a bit further. There's a great documentary called, "Visit Palestine". I highly recommend it. There's your evidence, your proof, your justification for claims of Israeli brutality.
For 60 years the Israelis have perpetrated the Nakba and created their own concentration camps and slow, torturous deaths for the indigenous people of the land. The Palestinians had lived there for many centuries with jews, christians, and druze without such issues. The Balfour Doctrine and the creation of the nation state of Israel were the keys to an ongoing western attempt at colonization of the area.
- writie, on 06/23/2008, -3/+11Israel is not a normal country trying to defend itself. It is occupying a state by military force and has been doing so for 40 years, more or less reluctantly depending on who you talk to.
- provost, on 06/23/2008, -4/+15precisely why NO state should be founded by religion.
- xerosawyer, on 06/23/2008, -6/+1Religion has "founded" any states
- evolutionium, on 06/23/2008, -2/+5Iran, Israel and Vatican
- xerosawyer, on 06/23/2008, -6/+1Religion has "founded" any states
- zacattac50, on 06/23/2008, -6/+1STOP BURYING THINGS THAT MAKE A FAIR ARGUMENT THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM YOUR VIEW.
- kelmaster1, on 06/23/2008, -1/+3Ya, the whole world has been trained through tireless public education that criticizing the creation of Israel is anti-semite. It also works well for those who criticize the holocaust, zionism, and zionist control of the world's banking and media systems. People don't think objectively about these things because it's one of the few taboo things that cannot be said anywhere without the destruction of ones credibility (especially Germany, where it's outright illegal). It's sad that people cannot think outside of societal influences.
Israel has been involved in human rights violations, well, since its creation 60 years ago. This is nothing new, they're basically trying to control a population based off of suicide bombings to gain world support for their actions against the Palestinian people when the IDF has killed far far more Palestinians. News on Israel is always heavily biased, from both perspectives; Our "western" media hardly reports whats going on there.
One thing is certain that my army buddy told me, don't ***** with an IDF soldier. They have THE best military training in the world, all their soldiers are experts at hand to hand combat and they are trained to kill effectively (better than US soldiers). Even civilians in schools are trained well. The point is that Israel is dominating the Palestinians, contrary to what is in the news. Palestine is basically a "giant open aired prison". Banksy illustrates this in a somewhat dark humor http://www.briansewell.com/artist/b-artist/banksy/ ...
- jabberwolf, on 06/23/2008, -25/+9Whats shocking is if you read the article...
- skidme, on 06/23/2008, -44/+10Guys! Israel sucks! Hop on the bandwagon while it's still got momentum! Otherwise these stories might pull a Paul!
Honestly, the extreme-leftist, pot-smoking teens that make up the majority of digg's demographic make me sick. The problem is, once you get out into the real-world, you still won't see the real world, because you'll be sitting in your cubicles, behind the bulletproof screen of a computer. Go out and see the world.- thecoolestguy, on 06/23/2008, -8/+16Here comes the Jewish nationalist, to depend occupation and repression done by Jews.
- BN2L, on 06/23/2008, -0/+9I tried to go to Lebanon in 2006 but Israel was bombing the ***** out of it.
- TheLoneHoot, on 06/23/2008, -2/+3"Honestly, the extreme-leftist, pot-smoking teens that make up the majority of digg's demographic make me sick."
***** leave bitch - you're wasting our time and yours. - kayvman78, on 06/23/2008, -1/+2I love how you think what you do. Hey.. grandpa.. this world is like this cause your stupid generation thought it would be cool to ***** everything up for the kids. You don't like it? THEN LEAVE FOOL! We have seen the world you moron, why do you think we are all on here talking about what we've seen.
- skidme, on 06/24/2008, -0/+1You haven't seen *****. Everything you know, you know because you sit in front of the computer non-stop.
- kayvman78, on 06/24/2008, -0/+1Sure pal. If you want to believe that, go right ahead. I suggest you not sit on your computer so much talking ***** about people sitting on their computer too much. Stop being a useless human being. Have a horrible day.
- skidme, on 06/24/2008, -0/+1You haven't seen *****. Everything you know, you know because you sit in front of the computer non-stop.
- WESTEE, on 06/23/2008, -36/+11wtf?
do u know how much ***** Israelis have put up with, my god I'm surprised they haven't just ***** the whole world up by now- shekissesfrogs, on 06/23/2008, -6/+5maybe these poor israelis who have adopted the shield of judaism and actually beleive they have been subjected to unwarranted persecution will start to realize that nothing happens in a vacuum.
It's not just digg, it's the whole world that sees through the crap now.
Look at your own anti-semitism
http://digg.com/world_news/Israel_keeps_1_2_of_Imp ...
In his work, for which he received a medal for literary merit from the king of Prussia, George Williams wrote that in 614 "the usual horrors attendant on the sacking of a city by a barbarian army were enhanced by the malice of the Jews." He continued,
[The Jews] had followed the Persians from Galilee, to gratify their vengeance by the massacre of the believers, and the demolition of their most sacred churches. They were amply gutted with blood. In a few days 90,000 Christians of both sexes, and of all ages and conditions, fell victims to their indiscriminating hatred.
Jewish contemporaries of Williams described the events of 614 rather similarly. A century later, however, in the years following the Holocaust, memories of Jews gratifying their vengeance and giving vent to their "indiscriminating hatred" began to fade, being displaced increasingly by the Sartrean Jew, "passionately hostile to violence." http://www.iupress.indiana.edu/journals/jss/jss4-2 ...- yonoz, on 06/23/2008, -3/+3Nice to see you feeding your antisemitism with obvious planted comments and a quote from 614.
- waynechng, on 06/23/2008, -3/+7But since 1948, they completely ***** up the Middle East.
- wpi97, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1Yeah... Why couldn't they just let themselves be slaughtered like the good little Jews! But no, they had to go and fight back! The world has gone mad, I tell you, mad!
- kayvman78, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Have you forgotten they went to that land and kicked out millions of people? So by your argument the Palestinians are completely right in attacking. They were defending their homes. That argument is long passed and clearly not valid. It's time to come up with another lie.
- wpi97, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1Yeah... Why couldn't they just let themselves be slaughtered like the good little Jews! But no, they had to go and fight back! The world has gone mad, I tell you, mad!
- kayvman78, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3So by your logic, if a group has to go through a lot of *****, then they should have the right to commit as many atrocities they want? Are you on crack? By your logic, every Black man in America has the right to walk into any White person's house and take it over..
- shekissesfrogs, on 06/23/2008, -6/+5maybe these poor israelis who have adopted the shield of judaism and actually beleive they have been subjected to unwarranted persecution will start to realize that nothing happens in a vacuum.
- hotlatte, on 06/23/2008, -33/+21Digg is becoming an anti-sematic site, where Israeli-bashing is a regular occurance. Israel is a Democratic government that would never attack another nation again if it were not under constant attack and threat of attack by every nation around it. When Israel cracks down, the attacks stop. As soon as they show an ounce of mercy, the attacks begin again.
When was the last time you saw outrage on Digg over a 15-year-old Arab brainwashed into believing he'll be an honored martyr and receive 72 virgins if he straps C4 to himself and blows up civilians-- women and children -- in a Israeli marketplace, or for blowing up a Danish embassy because the government allowed cartoon images of Muhammad to be printed by privately-owned newspapers.
It's time to be outraged at this barrage of anti-Isreali stories. Bury these stories big time and let's get back to being outraged by real human rights abuses, like theocracies that support brute squads in the streets who whip women for showing an ankle, or turn a blind eye to honor killings.- jaymzdean, on 06/23/2008, -18/+10A slightly long-winded bag of *****.
Zionism is an evil, racial supremacist movement and always has been.
Most Jews don't want anything to do with it, just like most Gentiles want nothing to do with the KKK.
"It's time to be outraged at this barrage of anti-Israeli stories"
LOL. ***** you, you racist, genocide-supporting bag of *****. - WESTEE, on 06/23/2008, -20/+4LOL ***** UR SELF YOU JEW BASHING MOTHER *****
i bet ur a ***** rag head and ur pissed of that Israel took back their land and u ***** are treated like *****...
well u should be treated like ***** because u know what if u wanted to change ***** u should try and make peace with each other but u guys are too busy blowing ***** up for that to happen
so ***** YOU
YOU STUPID ILL INFORMED PIECE OF *****- moonlessrat, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3WTF are you talking about? took back their land? what a crock of *****, how exactly was it their land to begin with??? idiot.
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1It wasn't their land, anymore that the US is Native American land. Do you support giving the US back to Native Americans?
- thecoolestguy, on 06/23/2008, -1/+3The US gave citizenship to the Native Americans, Israel refuses to give citizenship to millions of native Palestinian Arabs, and keeps them as occupied people or as refugees.
- JakeSN, on 06/24/2008, -0/+1Please, Westee, do your research before you post next time... you stupid ill informed piece of *****.
- thecoolestguy, on 06/23/2008, -12/+11Here come the Jewish nationalist psychopaths.
- bepart, on 06/23/2008, -4/+17I don't get why you have to be outraged by a submission of serious news about prisoner abuse. If you have the news of "theocracies that support brute squads in the streets who whip women for showing an ankle" then digg them I have no problem with those
- hotlatte, on 06/23/2008, -9/+9Stories about real human abuses by nations where the practices are common don't receive play on Digg. Those stories don't tantilize the liberal left, even though those are the abuses we should be paying real attention to. Peronally, I love all people: Arab, Jewish, Christian, Muslim. Whatever. My wish: world peace. So it pains me to see one nation, such as Israel -- a nation desparate for peace -- being singled out on Digg on a regular basis for venemous attacks. The stories, while often one-sided, aren't as much of a problem as the fact that they're nothing more than platform racist rants against the Jewish state. Don't fool yourself, Israel is the world's most highly concentrated population of Jews, and this is anti-semitism.
- bepart, on 06/23/2008, -4/+13"Stories about real human abuses by nations where the practices are common don't receive play on Digg"
But that doesn't mean we should censor stories about abuses by Israel - whiterice0, on 06/23/2008, -9/+5What you need to do is ask yourself why Israel is being singled out for so much attention on Digg. Look at the front page of Digg right now.
http://digg.com/world_news/Israel_committing_memor ...
You've got yet another story, this one by aljazeera.net -- Al Jazeera -- about the 60th anniversary of the establishment of Israel. The story features an extremely partisan critic of Israel who accuses it of ethnic cleansing -- without a shred of evidence. I may not convince you of anything, but I'm certainly going to continue to tell the truth.
The bottom line is that the left wing is anti-establishment. U.S. supports Israel, left-wingers therefore hate Israel. There's little rational thought to it. - Disgod, on 06/23/2008, -4/+10Criticizing Israel doesn't mean you are an antisemite. The same way when an American criticizes the US doesn't mean they don't love their country. It isn't because of who lives there, it's about their actions. Our two countries (The US and Israel) are supposed to have the moral high ground, but neither country is acting in a way that gives them the high ground. People are criticizing because they see something wrong with how the country is acting. Hell even in Israel there are groups that are trying to help the Palestinians by giving them non-violent methods to fight back. And before you say the Palestinians are the ones causing most of the harm look at this link from an ISRAELI source
http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Casualti ...
Are you going to accuse them of antisemitism? Their study shows how many more Palestinians have been killed in the conflict and how many Israelis have been killed. I'll give you a hint... it isn't the Israelis who have taken the most casualties.
I'm not antisemitic, I don't care about someone's religion, race, ethnicity, sexuality, but I do care that Israel is pushing for a war that will ***** over a lot of people, and not just in the middle east. - archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2hotlatte, Israelis may be desperate for peace, but their government has often acted in ways contrary to that goal. You don't achieve peace by beating your opponent into submission, not when you have to live right next door to him.
The problem is that religious extremists on *both* sides are pushing for war, not peace. Another problem is that, why Palestinians extremists are often found inside violent, criminal organizations, Israeli extremists (the likes that killed Rabin for negotiating peace) are actually represented inside Parliament.
What the US should do is withdraw any financial help as long as religious parties are represented at the Knesset. - thecoolestguy, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1And yet the illegal settlements keep going up, with funding from Jewish nationalists in America (many of whom are members of AIPAC) and the Israeli government.
- sn4ke666, on 06/23/2008, -0/+0A large percentage of settlements in Israel and Palestine in general are "illegal", Jewish, Arab, and Druze. There are comparable numbers of unregistered arab settlements on Israeli soil. Its like a checker board.
- bepart, on 06/23/2008, -4/+13"Stories about real human abuses by nations where the practices are common don't receive play on Digg"
- Bootes, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1I think there should be articles about human rights abuses, and don't see anything wrong with this specific article, but the comments are just disgusting leading me to have to digg down the entire article.
- hotlatte, on 06/23/2008, -9/+9Stories about real human abuses by nations where the practices are common don't receive play on Digg. Those stories don't tantilize the liberal left, even though those are the abuses we should be paying real attention to. Peronally, I love all people: Arab, Jewish, Christian, Muslim. Whatever. My wish: world peace. So it pains me to see one nation, such as Israel -- a nation desparate for peace -- being singled out on Digg on a regular basis for venemous attacks. The stories, while often one-sided, aren't as much of a problem as the fact that they're nothing more than platform racist rants against the Jewish state. Don't fool yourself, Israel is the world's most highly concentrated population of Jews, and this is anti-semitism.
- Gimpyfuzznut, on 06/23/2008, -6/+17Maybe that 15 year old kid wants to strap that C4 to his chest because his father, mother, brother, sister, uncle, and neighbor were killed by the IDF AFTER his home was bulldozed and a giant fence was put around his village AFTER electricity and water were cut off. Are you telling me you wouldn't want to kill someone if that happened to you? Don't go blaming the brainwashed kid because you would do the exact same thing in that situation.
And why shouldn't this qualify as "real" human rights abuses? Are you trying to say that because the minors being subjected to torture by the IDF are Palestinians that it doesn't qualify as real abuse? So I guess its OK to torture and abuse Palestinians since they aren't HUMAN. Well, that logic sounds very familiar to me... you know that time when they used to put Jews in the oven because they weren't human either. That wasn't human rights abuse either.
And stop crying about antisemitism. This is an article from the BBC. It is an ISRAELI organization accusing the IDF of humans rights abuse.- hotlatte, on 06/23/2008, -9/+3I guarentee you the kid ain't strapping explosives to himself because of Israeli abuses. They've captured these suicide bombers before, and they're always scared, brainwashed teens or young adults who are easily manipulated. They've been trained to hate Jews. You'll never see the masterminds of these operations strapping explosives to themselves. They use innocent victims to carry out their hatred and murder, and you're gullible enough to think they have a right to kill Israelies. I've got a reality check for you bub, I'd never do what they do, and from what you just wrote, that appears to be one big difference between you and me. And I don't hate Muslims, I love all people. You're supporting the hatred.
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3He's not supporting it, he's explaining it. By refusing to understand what motivates these poor saps, by trying to reduce it to simple hatred, you are in fact being part of the problem.
Suicide bombing is wrong, but so is abuse from the IDF. You can't excuse one or the other, but you can explain how the circle of violence works. The problem with your position is that you refuse to see *any* wrongdoing on the IDF's part, even when its pointed out by an Israeli organization. - Gimpyfuzznut, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3I'm not supporting it at all. I'm just saying, don't you wonder why it is so easy for that kid to strap a bomb to himself and go blow up a bus? Why can that kid be brainwashed so easily by all the psychopath religious fanatics and terrorists? When I was 15, if someone told me to do that I would tell them to ***** off... BUT, put me in his shoes and I might think differently. You see, the difference is I can understand why that kid wants to blow up a bunch of Israelis. I get it. It makes sense. What doesn't make sense is why one of the richest and highly educated nations in the world insists on using Nazi-style tactics and terror when the single reason that nation exists is because it was subjected to that same crap 60 years ago. I don't get that.
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3He's not supporting it, he's explaining it. By refusing to understand what motivates these poor saps, by trying to reduce it to simple hatred, you are in fact being part of the problem.
- hotlatte, on 06/23/2008, -9/+3I guarentee you the kid ain't strapping explosives to himself because of Israeli abuses. They've captured these suicide bombers before, and they're always scared, brainwashed teens or young adults who are easily manipulated. They've been trained to hate Jews. You'll never see the masterminds of these operations strapping explosives to themselves. They use innocent victims to carry out their hatred and murder, and you're gullible enough to think they have a right to kill Israelies. I've got a reality check for you bub, I'd never do what they do, and from what you just wrote, that appears to be one big difference between you and me. And I don't hate Muslims, I love all people. You're supporting the hatred.
- Skiamakhos, on 06/23/2008, -1/+12So torture isn't torture if we & our friends do it? It only counts as a crime if the losing side in a war do it? Like, I heard back in the '40's a Japanese officer got 15 years' hard labour for waterboarding a POW. Now we do it routinely to rendered suspects of whom we have no proof of any guilt, and President Bush "doesn't believe it's torture". There's a centre for rehabilitating torture victims in Gaza, and it is overflowing. Why? Because torture is commonplace.
- moonlessrat, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2I could be wrong, but I believe the Japanese soldier was sentenced to 25 years....
- kelmaster1, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1I am sick of this *****; Israel bashing is NOT anti-Semitic. way to be brainwashed by the media. See my comment in reply to hinchb above.
- jaymzdean, on 06/23/2008, -18/+10A slightly long-winded bag of *****.
- zebco, on 06/23/2008, -38/+33Goody! Another Israel story where people are going to misuse and abuse the term 'zionist' over and over.
Look the word up, please before you go throwing it around, thanks.- pintomp3, on 06/23/2008, -8/+13how may we use the word, master?
- jabberwolf, on 06/23/2008, -12/+6If you have to call someone MASTER..
you are sure to be someone's bitch already.- fshaiq, on 06/23/2008, -2/+12sarcasm, look it up
- jabberwolf, on 06/23/2008, -12/+6If you have to call someone MASTER..
- kelmaster1, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2what, because Israel was established by zionist nationalists?
http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/up ...
^ c. March 31st 1942, Germany was winning the war at the time. Look where "Hebrewland" is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Zionism IS the creation of Israel, and some dirty ***** has been done so that the creation of Israel would happen.
- pintomp3, on 06/23/2008, -8/+13how may we use the word, master?
- akkibaba, on 06/23/2008, -14/+105Let's get one thing straight : Criticism of the policies of the State of Israel is not automatically anti-Semitic.
- gerbil20, on 06/23/2008, -14/+8No, but your (and your fellow diggers') obsession with Israel most certainly is.
- akkibaba, on 06/23/2008, -1/+9Mine? Surely you jest, Dr.gerbil. A quick check of my Dugg stories and comments would prove that this is maybe the second Israel story I've dugg, and certainly the first comment I've made in this context.
- waynechng, on 06/23/2008, -2/+8Cause evil is evil and should be opposed at all times, you gerbil.
- gerbil20, on 06/23/2008, -6/+3Precisely so, especially when evil exists only in your head.
- zolthar, on 06/23/2008, -4/+2then kill yourself
- CressCrowbits, on 06/23/2008, -2/+7I'm getting really sick of the anti-chinese, anti-north-korean and anti-iranian sentiment in the media at the moment. It's pure racism.
/s
- helpfulcorn, on 06/23/2008, -5/+1Criticism of Israel is not automatically anti-Semitic, but many of the people who use "Zionist" and constantly berate anything Israel does and pretend Palestine is completely innocent in every situation, they do seem a tad bit anti-Semitic, they are just replacing one word for another.
- TheLoneHoot, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1jesus get some other ***** news sources, please. you obviously are seeing things through a completely western filter.
"...and constantly berate anything Israel does and pretend Palestine is completely innocent in every situation..."
Are you serious? Are you ***** serious?! Why don't you go back over just __SOME__ of the similar stories on Digg and look into them from independent news sources (perhaps some non-commercial sources) and then re-evaluate whether or not people are "berating anything Israel does"?- helpfulcorn, on 06/24/2008, -0/+0Yes, Palestine does nothing wrong. They've never shot rockets into malls, had people blow themselves up in pizzerias, walk onto buses and execute a bunch of children, walk into houses and shoot entire families. Not to mention every time there is a peace talk Palestine walks out and someone blows himself up and/or kills random people.
Yes, Palestine is innocent, I'm ***** serious. I should just trust "independent sources" because it's not like any of them would ever lie or exaggerate, only big media does that, right? Are you serious? Are you ***** serious?! Why don't you actually look at what's going on instead of being completely one sided. It seems like you have a filter for anything not anti-Israel.
- helpfulcorn, on 06/24/2008, -0/+0Yes, Palestine does nothing wrong. They've never shot rockets into malls, had people blow themselves up in pizzerias, walk onto buses and execute a bunch of children, walk into houses and shoot entire families. Not to mention every time there is a peace talk Palestine walks out and someone blows himself up and/or kills random people.
- TheLoneHoot, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1jesus get some other ***** news sources, please. you obviously are seeing things through a completely western filter.
- kelmaster1, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3thank you, there are many many jewish people that are against zionism.
- sylvok, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Why did people digg you down for that =D
- gerbil20, on 06/23/2008, -14/+8No, but your (and your fellow diggers') obsession with Israel most certainly is.
- drgmdp, on 06/23/2008, -16/+50if you say you're against terrorism, don't use its methods
- Borgcube636, on 06/23/2008, -10/+35This is old news. I heard about it on Fox last night.
/sarcasm - pintomp3, on 06/23/2008, -15/+45why do billions of US taxpayer dollars go to fund this?
- vinod1978, on 06/23/2008, -10/+7they don't go to fund "this", the go to ensure that Israel can exist as a country. As a sovereign nation they have a right to protect themselves and attack people that wish them harm - just as we were justified to invade Afghanistan, they are justified to launch attacks on Hamas, Hezballah, or Islamic militants. This does not get them off the hook for their civil rights violations, and I hope the soldiers that committed these actions are disciplined - but the comments I've seen here are really surprising. I'm ok discussing the politics of a state, as I normally bad mouth many countries including the US (my home), India (my land of origin), and others - but attacking the people calling them a "disgusting country" is definitely much more personal that political criticism and definitely crosses the line.
- panchro, on 06/23/2008, -1/+9Why is it the job of US taxpayers to ensure that Israel can exist as a country? As a sovereign nation, they should be able to take care of themselves.
- vinod1978, on 06/23/2008, -4/+3While I agree with the US supporting Israel's right to exist, I do not agree with the amount of money that we give to the Israel. I disagree with the fact that all loans were converted to grants, however that does not minimize the constant threat Israeli's face on a daily basis. Iran gives weapons and money to Hezballoh in Lebanon, and they already stated that they are in line with Ahmadinejad's plan of "wiping them off the face of the Earth". So of course Israel has to protect themselves. If you had rockets pointed at high population-targeted areas of your country - you would fight them too. As Americans if a country wants to be a democratic society and asks for help we've always helped in the past, and we will continue to do so in the future - that's what Americans do.
But don't forget about the selfish reasons why we help them:
- Intelligence: "The ability of the U.S. Air Force in particular, and the Army in general, to defend whatever position it has in NATO owes more to the Israeli intelligence input than it does to any single source of intelligence -- General George F. Keegan, a retired U.S. Air Force intelligence chief
- Military innovation & Support: Israel is responsible for 600 improvements on our F-16s, they also upgraded the Hawkeye spy plane and the MD-500 chopper. They've also helped with operations such as bombing an Iraqi nuclear reactor. Numerous joint weapons such as the light concrete piercing bomb were jointly invented.
- Economics: Popular Motorola chips are made in Israel, as well as production that helps other US based companies.
Israel is our ally. They have been for over 60 years, and they will continue to be our ally in the future. - TheLoneHoot, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3"Israel is our ally. They have been for over 60 years, and they will continue to be our ally in the future."
They're our ally because we helped to create them simply for strategic and economic reasons. I suppose if the US/UN decided it was time to step in and create a Tamil homeland in southern India and to kick out the non-Tamils, that'd be okay with you too?
Why does Israel have a right to exist on stolen land? I'd be fine if they were INVITED to live there, but they weren't and then they continue to encroach upon the Palestinians' land and to oppress them. The Israeli contributions you list are simply extensions of a US presence... if the US didn't blindly back them regardless of any issues, Israel wouldn't exist as the US' real-world proving ground for those technologies.
- vinod1978, on 06/23/2008, -4/+3While I agree with the US supporting Israel's right to exist, I do not agree with the amount of money that we give to the Israel. I disagree with the fact that all loans were converted to grants, however that does not minimize the constant threat Israeli's face on a daily basis. Iran gives weapons and money to Hezballoh in Lebanon, and they already stated that they are in line with Ahmadinejad's plan of "wiping them off the face of the Earth". So of course Israel has to protect themselves. If you had rockets pointed at high population-targeted areas of your country - you would fight them too. As Americans if a country wants to be a democratic society and asks for help we've always helped in the past, and we will continue to do so in the future - that's what Americans do.
- m0tbaillie, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2I pay taxes so that *WE* can exist. So that we as Americans have education, a stable economy, and increased public services and social support for our fellow citizens. I don't give a rat's ass about Israel and their existence as a country. Sorry to sound like a dick, but give me one good reason why billions of our tax dollars are hard at work in Israel? If they alone cannot secure their sovereignty as a nation then that's their own damn fault. That's what happens when you claim a stake of land in one of the most sought-over religious hot-spots in the world surrounded by Arab nations.
- pablo82, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2Firstly, the invasion of Afghanistan can hardly be called justified. The reason seems to have been that they 'sponsored terrorism' and 'were a safe haven' for terrorists. They were then given an ultimatum saying they had to 'give up Bin Laden or face the consequences'. So where is the problem with the invasion you ask?
Bin Laden has never been formally indicted for 9/11. No proof has ever been given of his involvement, he explicitly stated after the attacks he was not responsible, and his video 'confession' has widely been debunked as a fake. But lets ignore this fact, lest I be called a conspiracy nut.
Lets assume Bin Laden DID arrange 9/11. This is the actions of one man. NOT the taliban, who had no involvement in 9/11. If they had, the US wouldn't have only asked them to give up Bin Laden now would they? And lest we forget what the Talibans response was to this request. 'Present us with evidence of his (Bin Ladens) involvement and we will gladly extradite him'. This is a completely fair stance to take and had the US offered proof they would likely have complied. They didn't offer any proof however. They just invaded regardless. Then invaded Iraq with similar lies. Why? Oil. I could proove this too, but just do some research and you will find out why.
So given how wrong you are about this invasion (proovably) you owe it to yourself to consider what else you may be wrong about. Israels attrocious actions are well documented by credible sources if you care to divert your attention away from Fox news for a while.
- panchro, on 06/23/2008, -1/+9Why is it the job of US taxpayers to ensure that Israel can exist as a country? As a sovereign nation, they should be able to take care of themselves.
- Ymeg, on 06/23/2008, -3/+5What we lose, I would argue, is more than what we gain from our alliance.
- Teh1337Pirate, on 06/23/2008, -2/+3Cause it's awesome
- TheLoneHoot, on 06/23/2008, -1/+2sure, if awesome means a giant anal wart.
- eelojaan, on 06/23/2008, -0/+0Answer: AIPAC
- vinod1978, on 06/23/2008, -10/+7they don't go to fund "this", the go to ensure that Israel can exist as a country. As a sovereign nation they have a right to protect themselves and attack people that wish them harm - just as we were justified to invade Afghanistan, they are justified to launch attacks on Hamas, Hezballah, or Islamic militants. This does not get them off the hook for their civil rights violations, and I hope the soldiers that committed these actions are disciplined - but the comments I've seen here are really surprising. I'm ok discussing the politics of a state, as I normally bad mouth many countries including the US (my home), India (my land of origin), and others - but attacking the people calling them a "disgusting country" is definitely much more personal that political criticism and definitely crosses the line.
- mydjtl, on 06/23/2008, -14/+26Israeli troops accused of abuse... thats like writing "US Government accused of terrorism"... no *****... but what are we going to do about it... thats the question...
- zolthar, on 06/23/2008, -2/+5What is done about it:
The source of this article is an Israeli human rights group.
That means, it's an inside-Israel source, which means you get news about primarily internal matter.
(The submitter might have anti-Israeli agenda and he might try to make it look as an exposure of Israel's secret atrocities, so keep in mind that the source is Israeli and public).
This group and others have various ways to pressure the government and military officials: from media coverage to the high court.
Their main problem is that when they try to get support from the outside, like being published in the BBC, it's immediately being abused by Anti-Israeli activists to bash Israel.
What you should do, if you want to get involved, is to help these organizations pressure the Israeli government toward their goals, and not to bash Israel, like the submitter probably wants you to.
- zolthar, on 06/23/2008, -2/+5What is done about it:
- Panzwhore, on 06/23/2008, -18/+51Be careful if you point out Israeli atrocities you automatically become an anti-semetic and a terrorist sympathizer
- pablo82, on 06/23/2008, -0/+4Yep, the ADL is very good at limiting any criticism of Israel by using its trump card. Wait, does this criticism of the ADL make me anti-semitic too? I guess my criticism of my own country makes me a self hating Briton. Or am I allowed to criticize any organisation/ government as long as it isn't Jewish? I get confused with these things...
- kelmaster1, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3Ya, it's great. No one mentions that former prime ministers of Israel were involved in real terrorist organizations, or as they put it for "liberation".
Apparently it's ok for Zionists to kill people for their cause. I wouldn't be surprised if militant zionists "created" terrorist attacks so that the sympathy for Israel would continue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin ... what an SOB, and he won a Nobel Prize :P. A terrorist that becomes a leader. Areil Sharon is also pretty bad.
- knodi, on 06/23/2008, -18/+31Of cause its ***** Israeli. Kicking people put of there homes and taking over there land doesn't fall under human rights as well.
- sleepbox, on 06/23/2008, -14/+8Suicide bombers and human shields...
keep drinking the kool-aid- fuse13, on 06/23/2008, -4/+11did you just justify the wrong actions of one side by the wrong actions of the other side? keep going round in circles, mate, it is idiots like you who feed these endless conflicts.
- sleepbox, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2name calling means you lose the argument every time. Thanks.
- shekissesfrogs, on 06/23/2008, -5/+11Like these? http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/834937.html
but using womem and children as human shields is actually code for "We dropped 2 bombs from an F16 on 5 story building and leveled the whole block, including all adjacent homes" We'll have the IDF investigate the actions of the IDF and maybe get back to you in 2 months with a denial. If you have proof, we might offer you money but in exchange you have to stay silent.- sleepbox, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2For every fluke article like this that exists, you could find 100 legit articles of Palestinians using human shields. You fail.
- fuse13, on 06/24/2008, -1/+0hi sleepbox. i didnt find hundreds, but i did find an article about israelis using palestinians as human shields.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18058725/
you still seem to be interested in showing that israel is... what? more right? should we weigh the crimes of each and decide who is more wrong? will that solve the problem?
- fuse13, on 06/23/2008, -4/+11did you just justify the wrong actions of one side by the wrong actions of the other side? keep going round in circles, mate, it is idiots like you who feed these endless conflicts.
- Teh1337Pirate, on 06/23/2008, -9/+4If you knew your history it was there land long before the Palestinians took it over. Used to be a little country called Judea, ring a bell?
- doctornkul, on 06/23/2008, -4/+5By your logic, if I move from my house, I can just come back 10 years later and kick out the current resident?
- dkapuchino, on 06/23/2008, -3/+3The more appropriate allegory would be someone leaving his house because he was kicked out, BUYING it back (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_National_Fund) ... and then having his neighbors decide on attacking him, with the sole goal of killing him (1948 Arab Israeli War, started by the Arabs).
- doctornkul, on 06/23/2008, -4/+5By your logic, if I move from my house, I can just come back 10 years later and kick out the current resident?
- sleepbox, on 06/23/2008, -14/+8Suicide bombers and human shields...
- wildone71, on 06/23/2008, -22/+6Keep it up Israel! Kick those bastards back to the stone age!
- moonlessrat, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1obvious troll is obvious
- pintomp3, on 06/23/2008, -12/+28how long until the megaphone crew shows up?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_too ... - Money4Offer, on 06/23/2008, -21/+14Digg would be so much better if we kept politics and religion out of it. Most Digg users' only source of News, Politics, and world events is DIGG for God's sake, please at least do your own research before you make false claims when denouncing Israel, Republicans, Hillary, and everything else Digg-bullies claim as targets. No, your cute little analogies and rhetorical questions such as "Wouldn't expect less from the soldiers of the most disgusting army in the world." and Israeli troops? Thats like saying "German troops are accused of genocide" of Nazi Germany. Have absolutely NO RELEVANCE or MERIT...
Goodness people, INFORM YOURSELVES!- drgmdp, on 06/23/2008, -3/+4maybe you should share your sources with us...
- Disgod, on 06/23/2008, -4/+8Would an Israeli source work for you?
http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Casualti ...
Casualty figures for the past 8 years of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Here's a spoiler Israel's got the higher score. - sleepbox, on 06/23/2008, -7/+3Exactly...hey hipsters, using big words without knowing what they mean or without using reason other than what some celebrity idol you worship says only makes you look pathetic.
- jabberwolf, on 06/23/2008, -22/+16ACCUSED but no evidence...
oh WOW.. and from a left wing source... whats new!?- waynechng, on 06/23/2008, -2/+8Wow, an Israeli left-wing source ... so they're accusing their own for human right abuse. That seems .... proper.
- dreamspheree, on 06/23/2008, -25/+35What about Palestines who use children as human shield?
What about Palestines athuroties that takes all the money israel give palastine to develop gaza and use it for terrorizem?
This is all fake, "do godder" articles, i can't see which army will treat his enemies with silk gloves.
no army in the world will give flower to his fearless enemies who would die to kill.
- medfreak, on 06/23/2008, -4/+16Actually the Palestinian "authorities" are in bed with Israel, and have no control over Gaza.
- sabroskie, on 06/23/2008, -7/+14I only read the first two lines and my response is
line 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A
line 2: Israel takes money they get from the USA and use it to terrorize Palestinians - Skiamakhos, on 06/23/2008, -5/+8If my enemy is commits atrocities, am I no longer bound by international law? Do I now have a right to be as bad as he? Do two wrongs make a right?
- paulsmith288, on 06/23/2008, -3/+2not sure why you were dugg down - here is a +1
- spongya77, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1And one for you. It seems like calm reasoning is not very popular on digg.
- paulsmith288, on 06/23/2008, -3/+2not sure why you were dugg down - here is a +1
- Sverre, on 06/23/2008, -2/+15Attacking, abusing or killing civilians is always wrong, no matter who does it.
- kieranmaine, on 06/23/2008, -1/+12You should criticize Palestinian terrorists. It doesn't excuse Israeli crimes though. I still don't understand why people try and justify one crime by pointing to another. It doesn't mean you hate Israel if you criticize it - much like criticizing Palestinian terrorists doesn't mean you hate Palestinians.
- zerocool1990, on 06/23/2008, -4/+11Hey an F-16 dropping bombs on a 5 story building destroying it and every building around it, isn't what I call Palestinians using human shields.
- glasnostic, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1sorry, but if the Palestinians were not using the tactics they are using.. human shields, suicide bombings. they would all be knows as Jordanians and Syrians right now, and there would be no "west bank" and "Gaza" as they would both have been renamed by Israel a long time ago.. you see, because the only thing that has stopped the Israelis from whole sale ethnic cleansing is terrorism.
so.. i am a terrorist sympathizer. it worked for my grand parents (ie. tokyo, nagasake, hiroshima, dresden) and it works for me.- kieranmaine, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1You're OK with the brutal bombing of all those cities?
- sabroskie, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Israelis using Palestinian children as human shields:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXq57XK2L0A
- MnMs, on 06/23/2008, -19/+12ISRAEL ***** YEAH
- sleepbox, on 06/23/2008, -18/+8instead of wasting my time arguing, I realize that I'm on Digg...full of libtards...no point in going any further than to say that the Israelis are not the ones blowing themselves up and using humans as shields...but ACCUSATIONS OF TORTURE!?!??! THE JOOOS HAVE GONE TOOOOOO FARRR!!!!!!
- fuse13, on 06/23/2008, -1/+7so its ok to torture them then? is it only palestinians or can we torture anyone?
please let me know, i want to know who i am allowed to torture, thanks. - kelmaster1, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1way to buy into the media
- fuse13, on 06/23/2008, -1/+7so its ok to torture them then? is it only palestinians or can we torture anyone?
- 4tongues, on 06/23/2008, -16/+21What....an Israeli group criticizing its own soldiers???? A country that governs itself to make sure it is doing more than living up the world standards but even its OWN standards?? Gosh... think of how much better the world would be if moslem organizations criticized their own people after their terrorist attacks!!! How many moslem groups are claiming to bring terrorist to justice? Maybe their overwhelming wealth is not enough and had to triple oil prices in 15 months!!!! Just note that with all the Moslem power, wealth, heirims and political positioning.....they have no mechanisms to bring themselves or their people to justice! In fact the opposite....the fund the terrorists! They train the terrorist and they reward terrorists!
Keep it in perspective!- kieranmaine, on 06/23/2008, -3/+9What...another digg comment defending Israel by comparing it to terrorists and Muslims??? What about the corrupt African governments or the mass-murdering US government that Israel gets a lot of military aid from? Why not do a world tour and comment on the Asian dictatorships, as well? Lets not forget what the Russians did in Chechnya. I guess I hate all of those countries as well as all there inhabitants. I even hate my own country for selling billions of pounds worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia and helping to kick everyone off Diego Garcia and attacking Iraq. I hate my self and all my countrymen.
So indeed keep it in perspective - and basically say you accept certain crimes, depending on which country commits it - or criticize countries where criticism is due. If you don't feel the articles on digg bring to light enough human rights abuses, submit one and shout me, I'll be more than happy to look at it and digg it. - shekissesfrogs, on 06/23/2008, -3/+10Oil is up 50% due speculation in the stock market. The school of the Americas trains the terrorists. Educate yourself. It's American and Israel's human rights abuses that create the hate and anger and drive people to extremism. It's time to reflect on how our own behavior contributes to the suffering in the world, and there is a lot of it. stop blaming and take responsibility to effect change in a good way.
- zerocool1990, on 06/23/2008, -4/+5You have NO ***** IDEA about what the Middle East is. All of your ***** is out of Hollywood movies and corrupt media.
- TheCooLMaN, on 06/23/2008, -4/+4Indeed, as an Israeli civilian I can attest that you ***** heads know nothing about what's really happening.
My suggestion to you is to shut your big fat mouth until you have tens of missiles hitting major cities every day in your country, maybe killing your family, or maybe your brother died by palestinian terrorists.- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -1/+3Katyusha rockets are not "missiles", and they don't hit "major cities everyday". How long as it been since someone has been killed by these clunky DIY weapons? How many Palestinians have been killed since that last occured?
Israelis have a right to live in peace, but they will not as long as the occupation continues. - TheCooLMaN, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1A missile by definition is: an object which is forcibly propelled at a target. (Oxford Dictionary).
Don't say a Katyusha is not a missile when you do not even know what a missile is.
Regardless to the fact that a Katyusha is indeed an object forcibly propelled at a target (missile).
They do hit major cities every day, do you live in Israel or read the news?
You are very stupid, you know nothing, I read the Israeli paper every day I know about hits.
These clunky DIY weapons killed many people, and a woman was killed one week ago by a clunky weapon, does it have any meaning if it is a clunky missiles that kills or a fancy missile that kills?
Waste of time
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -1/+3Katyusha rockets are not "missiles", and they don't hit "major cities everyday". How long as it been since someone has been killed by these clunky DIY weapons? How many Palestinians have been killed since that last occured?
- kieranmaine, on 06/23/2008, -2/+2Some useful resources for those that live outside of Israel.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+P ...
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+P ...
- TheCooLMaN, on 06/23/2008, -4/+4Indeed, as an Israeli civilian I can attest that you ***** heads know nothing about what's really happening.
- JimmyJoseph, on 06/23/2008, -3/+3You're the man - yeah - Israel DOES make mistakes, and they will again in the future - but unlike their crazy enemies, they allow free speech and criticism...they have internal review and correction. They try to do the right thing. I personally know several soldiers in the IDF and they are NOT monsters or killers or anything like that. They take great lengths to REDUCE harm to civilians (the same civilians who wish them death). Of course the Palestinians try to embellish ANYTHING they can to hide their own evils. I always make this analogy - what if Mexico was lobbing rockets at texas or Arizona...you think America is going to give them power, water and food of any type at all? Israel has a right to defend itself just like we do.
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3One thing missing from your flawed analogy is that the US hasn't been occupying Mexico, and that they didn't displace millions of Mexicans in order to carve their country out of Mexican territory.
Please don't be so one-sided. Both parties are to blame. Both parties will need to make concessions in order to finally gain peace. - JimmyJoseph, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1So the US never took any land from Mexico? Is that correct? But yes, I agree both parties are to blame and will need to sacrifice.
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+3One thing missing from your flawed analogy is that the US hasn't been occupying Mexico, and that they didn't displace millions of Mexicans in order to carve their country out of Mexican territory.
- kieranmaine, on 06/23/2008, -3/+9What...another digg comment defending Israel by comparing it to terrorists and Muslims??? What about the corrupt African governments or the mass-murdering US government that Israel gets a lot of military aid from? Why not do a world tour and comment on the Asian dictatorships, as well? Lets not forget what the Russians did in Chechnya. I guess I hate all of those countries as well as all there inhabitants. I even hate my own country for selling billions of pounds worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia and helping to kick everyone off Diego Garcia and attacking Iraq. I hate my self and all my countrymen.
- mike17032, on 06/23/2008, -20/+12The Anti-Semites have been doing well today on digg, first the Aljeezehera (whatever) story and now this.
But we need to tone it down a bit my Nazi brothers, its best if we dont alert them until we have them on the trains and heading to the camps
Sieg HAIL!- Skiamakhos, on 06/23/2008, -4/+6Yeah, this Israeli Human Rights group are really a bunch of anti-semitic nazis. ;-)
Or are they Israeli Jews who unlike the accused soldiers have some compassion for their fellow human beings, and some respect for the law?- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -5/+2I'm actually debating not visiting digg anymore, too many foreigners with nothing better to do. I think digg should ban people for life for spreading hatred. but then again it is just digg, at least this keeps them from throwing rocks over a wall
- writie, on 06/23/2008, -2/+4The latter of course. We don't hear so much about the Israelis that stand up for what they see as basic human rights, or the ones that regularly demonstrate against the expropriation of Palestinian land to build the wall. But they exist and are an important part of Israel. Sometimes they also manage to make a positive change. It takes a lot more commitment and courage than posting on a website (says I posting on a website).
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1mike, STFU. Criticism of Israel does not equal anti-Semitisim, especially not when it's done by an *Israeli* organization.
- Skiamakhos, on 06/23/2008, -4/+6Yeah, this Israeli Human Rights group are really a bunch of anti-semitic nazis. ;-)
- Jay730, on 06/23/2008, -3/+5shocking!
- zacharygottlieb, on 06/23/2008, -17/+10god damn it...it's irritating navigating to digg and finding a barrage of anti-Semitic *****
- bepart, on 06/23/2008, -4/+11why do you think this is antisemitic? it is a legitimate article, written by a respectable news station about a report from an ISRAELI human right group based on eyewitnesses including Israeli soldiers
I can't find the part that promotes hatred against Jews- zacharygottlieb, on 06/23/2008, -5/+6it's not the news article that i can't stand, it's the ignorant and anti-Semitic comments
take for example: "Wouldn't expect less from the soldiers of the most disgusting army in the world."
yes, the Israeli army has done some distasteful things, like this article claims, but every army has. this clearly shows that the poster has a strong dislike for Israel and the Jewish people. what's more, is he was dugg way up.
If you want more evidence, comment back; the ignorant comments are almost limitless.
- zacharygottlieb, on 06/23/2008, -5/+6it's not the news article that i can't stand, it's the ignorant and anti-Semitic comments
- bepart, on 06/23/2008, -4/+11why do you think this is antisemitic? it is a legitimate article, written by a respectable news station about a report from an ISRAELI human right group based on eyewitnesses including Israeli soldiers
- Nitrodist88, on 06/23/2008, -6/+9This is news?
- xerosawyer, on 06/23/2008, -9/+20*shock* who knew? can't wait to here the excuses from the israeli fanboi's
- psg188, on 06/23/2008, -3/+2Fan boys? This is a country, not a playstation.
It's a little more complicated then that.
- psg188, on 06/23/2008, -3/+2Fan boys? This is a country, not a playstation.
- theskyisblue, on 06/23/2008, -15/+14um how's this a surprise... everyone knows Israelis are a bunch of cowards and religious war-mongers who happen to get lucky to have the USA behind their back, granted that they own the USA too.
- exhale, on 06/23/2008, -6/+7And the palestinians are saints, right?
- Meep3D, on 06/23/2008, -5/+6List the wars that Israel started, then list the wars that the surrounding countries started.
- panchro, on 06/23/2008, -3/+5Seriously, shut up and get the ***** off my side. Calling an entire nation "A bunch of cowards and religious war-mongers" (does this also include the Israeli human rights group in this article?) doesn't help anyone and makes other people critical of Israel look like idiots. A lot of Israelis oppose the way their country is governed and will no doubt be shocked by this story, just like a lot of Americans are against the Iraq war etc.
In short, you are an idiot. - JimmyJoseph, on 06/23/2008, -1/+3Wow buddy you feel strongly about this. I think it's probably best that you embrace radical islam and fight for your holy just cause in the disputed homeland of Palestine :)
- zolthar, on 06/23/2008, -6/+11Most of the Israeli Human rights organization's activists are Zionists (the orgs themselves are not political), they serve as balance against many hawkish fractions in the government and they get high priority in the national media.
So comparing Zionism with Nazism is pure propaganda which uses the article as an excuse for illogical anti Israeli slogan recycling. - exhale, on 06/23/2008, -7/+12This is not biased at all.
- Mohdoo, on 06/23/2008, -14/+7Israel will continue to be the scum of the Earth until the United States stops playing big brother and backing them up.
- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -6/+4Actually Palestine will continue to be the scum of the earth until the United States or Israel eliminates them
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1Good to know you're no better than the terrorists.
- InfamousAtheist, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1You guys are both fueling the conflict. Attitudes like yours will NEVER present a solution.
- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1i was making a point, thank you for explaining
- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -6/+4Actually Palestine will continue to be the scum of the earth until the United States or Israel eliminates them
- HotSaucePanCake, on 06/23/2008, -14/+7If you use the word Zionist, you are a terrorist
- pintomp3, on 06/23/2008, -2/+2these guys must be huge terrorists then:
http://www.zoa.org/
- pintomp3, on 06/23/2008, -2/+2these guys must be huge terrorists then:
- gerbil20, on 06/23/2008, -12/+12My fellow, diggers, I weep for you. What an unimaginable harm should it do to your liver to know that the proverbial train has left the station, never to return, and despite your pathetic canards, the state of Israel moves on and will remain standing proud forever. I weep for you, but... only a little bit.
- elig, on 06/23/2008, -7/+14I can't help but point out that this report was generated by an *ISRAELI* organization. Ironically, the Israeli people's own penchant towards free speech self-evaluation is what allows you all to sh*t all over them here.
A real shame there aren't Palestinian organizations doing the same of the profligate abuses of Hamas and the PA. Perhaps you might actually get a two-sided perspective, he?- writie, on 06/23/2008, -0/+9Elig, you have a point,.
But there are organisations in Palestine that campaign against Hamas etc. Obviously they have a harder time than groups in Israel, which is a pretty open society despite what some people think. I'll try and dig up a link or two.- elig, on 06/23/2008, -1/+4I would LOVE to see that. Thank you!
- writie, on 06/23/2008, -0/+9Elig, you have a point,.
- giddyslugz, on 06/23/2008, -15/+21Its interesting to hear the opinions of a bunch of ingrates who sit in their american homes and bash a country who had struggled to survive its entire existence. Im proud to be a zionist and guess what i also beleive there should be a palestinian state, bet you stupid ***** never met someone like me. Also by the way, its not even like you bitches are pro palestinian, your just anti israel. do yourlseves a favor and read a book and also notice how i didnt call any of you anti semites, you know why, becasuse even the nazis knew more about judaism than you maggots do. yea israel is an awful country, it should be damned when it exchanges 200 convicted palestinian terrorists for a body part of one of its 18 year old israeli soldiers who was kidnapped and murdered when he got leave to go home on the weekend to see his family and freinds. if all the terrorists put down their weapons there will be peace, if israel puts down its weapons there will be no more israel.................................................................***** digg addicted losers.
- pintomp3, on 06/23/2008, -10/+9"ingrates who sit in their american homes and bash a country" who's the ingrate here? taking billions of us taxpayers dollars and then insulting the people who pay those taxes.
- yellowcakewalk, on 06/23/2008, -10/+7That's it, giddyslugz. We're cutting off your allowance. You are going to have to go get a job to buy your weapons of genocide.
- m0tbaillie, on 06/23/2008, -3/+2Sorry buddy, but I'm gonna call it like it is: without our billions in US taxpayer's dollars and the backing of our government, Israel wouldn't exist, so shut the ***** up.
- solid12345, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Without us holding the leash, Israel would have dropped a daisy cutter on those crazy religious ***** in Tehran already and put a bullet in Nasrallah's head.
We are holding them back, Israel got no military aid from us in 1967 and look how much ass they kicked.
- solid12345, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Without us holding the leash, Israel would have dropped a daisy cutter on those crazy religious ***** in Tehran already and put a bullet in Nasrallah's head.
- SuperVepr308, on 06/23/2008, -2/+2I wish I could dig that about 10x. ***** the anti-Israel group here. I would say ***** "Palestine" as well but their ain't no ***** Palestine. It is just land the Israelis are nice enough to let these peole live on.
- xsquirrel378x, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2Go move there then. Its a ***** country. And I'm glad I never met anyone like you
- bradcrc, on 06/23/2008, -15/+3um.. duh?
Israel is the worst thing that's ever happened to this planet, this should suprise no one. (other than someone dared to actually talk about it)- neko6, on 06/23/2008, -2/+5A democracy thats smaller then New Jersey, that never started a war, that develops more medicine and technology per capita then any other nation, that is the only known case of a country forfeiting land won in a war to an enemy - is the worst thing that even happened to this planet?
Someone's got some EXTREME bias.
- neko6, on 06/23/2008, -2/+5A democracy thats smaller then New Jersey, that never started a war, that develops more medicine and technology per capita then any other nation, that is the only known case of a country forfeiting land won in a war to an enemy - is the worst thing that even happened to this planet?
- waynechng, on 06/23/2008, -11/+10Technically, the Palestinians fall under the Semitic categorization based on their geographical and language origins. So the Israelis are committing anti-Semitism by attacking the Palestinians.
- Meep3D, on 06/23/2008, -2/+4Palestinians are just Jordanese ex-pats anyway.
- writie, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Actually, it's the other way round as Jordan is full of Palestinians.
- Meep3D, on 06/23/2008, -2/+4Palestinians are just Jordanese ex-pats anyway.
- evolutionium, on 06/23/2008, -11/+13Criticizing Israel = Anti-Semitic Neo-Nazi Behavior
I don't know how this equation is considered common sense to 60% of digg population, stop being Pro-Israel extremist and try to be nuetral a bit!! - vinod1978, on 06/23/2008, -9/+13I do see a lot of anti-semetic remarks on Digg - and it has nothing to do with the abuses that the Israeli soldiers committed. It was wrong but just remember the people that brought this story to light was the ISRAELI human rights watch group. Some our own troops did stupid things like this - this is not a reflection of Israel, but a reflection of those individuals. Israel, as a country has a right to exist, the problem here is that much of the radical Islamic believe that they are the true owners of Jerusalem and some of them will do anything to obtain it. Palestinians brain wash their children from a very young age to hate Israelis and Americans since we support Israel. Check out one of their children's TV shows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4
- TheCooLMaN, on 06/23/2008, -7/+1Are you stupid? I accuse you of genocide!
- kelmaster1, on 06/23/2008, -1/+2And western media doesn't brainwash people to support Israel? Israel has a right to exist? Israel was formed by force. What we consider to terrorists were Israel's founders and future Prime Ministers. I'm sure the average person in Israel is great, it's just that Israel's government has been run by Zionist extremists who manage to get away with an astounding amount injustice. Not to mention the wall holding in Palestinians was deemed unlawful by the International Court of Justice, it's pretty much an open aired prison.
- TheCooLMaN, on 06/25/2008, -0/+1Israel will live forever in the hands of jews, and if we will be wiped out, our enemies will sure be gone too.
- leubstop, on 06/23/2008, -8/+12I wonder when the palestinian report on its human rights abuses is coming out.. while we are waiting, perhaps we can also see what abuses are being reported by the 22 arab counries.. oh right Iran just shut down its last newspaper that was critical of its government. Im glad to see democracy prevail in Israel enough so that its own country can investigate corruption charges at the highest levels and investigate soldiers who have been charged with abuse.. Please arab/pal fans., please tell me what other mideastern country provides this much transparency in its government and country.
While many of you are upset that the aljazeera is now off the main page and felt a need to replace it with yet another.. i would say you picked the wrong one.. any intelligent person, would see that israel reporting on itself is the exact reason why it is a beacon of hope to the region.- jackieokennedy, on 06/23/2008, -6/+5yeah, lets see what others do so we can justify our acts.
Israel is a colonialist state.
Stealing LAND day after day.
At the very moment we speak, homes are being destroyed by the IDF, and colons are stealing land in Palestine.
One day justice will come.- leubstop, on 06/23/2008, -5/+7yeah lets blame israel that before 1948.. the land as described by mark twain was a wasteland, prior to early jewish return, the land was so unfit for living that arab leaders encouraged jewish imigration to assist in the quality of life.
the arabs STOLE the land from the byzantines..
the arabs then sold more then 50% of their stolen land to Jews prior to 1948
At the very moment some arab is selling their land to someone and running away as fast as they can before their brothers kill them.
If arabs would have accepted the armistice borders 60 years ago.. they would have already had a state.. No one can apologize for your own mistakes.
- leubstop, on 06/23/2008, -5/+7yeah lets blame israel that before 1948.. the land as described by mark twain was a wasteland, prior to early jewish return, the land was so unfit for living that arab leaders encouraged jewish imigration to assist in the quality of life.
- buddarien, on 06/23/2008, -1/+2@leubstop
You realize that you are using facts? Facts do not apply to the ignorant Israel bashers.
Cognitive dissonance must be tough on the liberal mindset, when one's opinion runs counter to actual facts. Yet that doesn't seem to stop the pejoratives from continuing on.
Those that forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
- jackieokennedy, on 06/23/2008, -6/+5yeah, lets see what others do so we can justify our acts.
- jackieokennedy, on 06/23/2008, -14/+9Justice will come one day.
Soon enough.
Palestinians have nothing to do with the ww2 genocide.
Palestinians have nothing to do with what ever tribes that lived there thousands years ago.
The israeli that are there WERE NOT born there, they ARRIVED and stole the houses.
Refugees all around Palestine still have the KEYS to their houses.
Israel is the worst example we can have of modern colonialism and aparteid.- neko6, on 06/23/2008, -8/+5"
The israeli that are there WERE NOT born there, they ARRIVED and stole the houses.
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No, they came and bought land and then got a mandate for the country from its rightful owner. Those who lost their houses are those who ATTEMPTED TO GENOCIDE the Jews and got there asses kicked, end of story.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. You can't have a norm of "win-only" war in the world. If you wage war, you should be punished severely.- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1"Those who lost their houses are those who ATTEMPTED TO GENOCIDE the Jews and got there asses kicked, end of story."
That's not true. Whole villages were displaced, even when they did not attempt to resist occupation.
Please stop being so one-sided - it completely kills your credibility.- dkapuchino, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1Name one village.
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1al-Faluja is one, there are hundred of others (not to be confused with Fallujah in Iraq)
Just because you refuse to believe it doesn't mean it ain't true...
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1"Those who lost their houses are those who ATTEMPTED TO GENOCIDE the Jews and got there asses kicked, end of story."
- leubstop, on 06/23/2008, -6/+4palestinians are as much as occupiers as the romans were..
palestinians sold massive amounts of land to jews in the 1900's
according to your own maps: http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story ...
at least 7% were Jewish owned.. and the rest is labeled as arab / public land. since the public land was un titled with no titles.. its what israel now calls state land..
some estimates that private owner ship of arab and israeli land was about equal.
palestinian Jews purchased this land for the creation of a state.. and there is no denying that palestinian arabs sold.. after arabs REJECTED a partition plan..and attacked.. and lost.. they also lost their homes. If the arabs have a right to their homes, then the jews who were kicked out of their arab homes in the 22 other arab countries should have a right to come back to theirs.
On the same token, since the arabs stole their land from the byzantines who stole it from rome, i would say that the vatican has more of claim then the arabs do.- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Do you also support giving the US back to Native Americans? Careful, I don't think they'll be as keen in providing Israel with billions of US$ every year...
- leubstop, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1 I think people need to concentrate on what is and what will be more then what was. Indians got shafted..as many were many other victims of colonialism. Israel, is the rare occurrence where they came back and took their country back from people who took it from them by force.
Its obviously impossible at this stage give back pieces of the US, as america thrived beyond anyones dreams.
Israel was miraculously undeveloped when Jews came back to their land after thousands of years of occupation. The area was sparsely populated, no government by its inhabitants was ever setup.. the place was in so much ruin that those living there pleaded with its former people to come back and help make it habitable. It was only when the arabs saw the land flourish that they realized they allowed the native people back in the area.. and they werent ever going to leave again.
and by the way.. speaking of billions of dollars... just 1 stealth bomber cost 2 billion dollars.. so maintaining the only natural ally in the mideast for the same cost as 2 planes.. per year.. doesnt sound so bad. - archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1So you say it would be just to return America to Native Americans if it was practical to do so? That's one hell of an argument you got there.
Okay then, how about returning the land of Israel to the people who were there *before* the Jews, i.e. the descendants of the tribes ethnically cleansed by the Hebrews as recounted in Exodus?
That's hogwash: the fact is that, if you were born somewhere, you're a native. The land belongs to you as much as anyone else born there. So Palestinians were in fact the legitimate "natives" in Palestine, and it doesn't matter that it was once the land of Israel. Your attempt at justifying this doesn't stand the test of logic.
That *does* mean that those Israelis born in Israel also have a right to live there. This is what makes the whole thing complicated, and why Israelis and Palestinians will have to negotiate one day if they are ever to get out of this mess.
Oh, and that BS about the land being "miraculously undeveloped" (whatever that means)? Completely irrelevant. This is like saying I could take over your home because an ancestor of mine once lived there, and that I'll take better care of it than you.
Go back and rework those arguments of yours, because frankly they're not worth the electrons it took to carry them over the Internets.
- leubstop, on 06/23/2008, -1/+1 I think people need to concentrate on what is and what will be more then what was. Indians got shafted..as many were many other victims of colonialism. Israel, is the rare occurrence where they came back and took their country back from people who took it from them by force.
- archiesteel, on 06/23/2008, -0/+1Do you also support giving the US back to Native Americans? Careful, I don't think they'll be as keen in providing Israel with billions of US$ every year...
- buddarien, on 06/23/2008, -4/+1@jackieo
Ignorance on display. Keep commenting please.
There is no way to discuss this issue with someone like you, since you do not know and understand history in the first place.
You are a textbook definition of useful idiot. Bravo!
- neko6, on 06/23/2008, -8/+5"
- soinie, on 06/23/2008, -14/+13The oppressed have become a war mongering racist, fascist oppressor.
- MarkEarhart, on 06/23/2008, -9/+5It would be more shocking if the Israelis weren't abusing every "goyim" that they can. The UK and the UN, at the bidding of the likes of the Rothschilds created that mess, and I think they should be forced to clean it up, right after we cut all alliance with the British and kick the UN off of US soil forever.
- scoottie, on 06/23/2008, -0/+2the UN should get out of the continental US ..... we should stick them in Zimbabwe
- neko6, on 06/23/2008, -11/+8Why is it that lies keep getting dugg up when they are against Israel? I thought diggers cares about the truth...
- Teh1337Pirate, on 06/23/2008, -5/+2lol apparently not because they are digging you do
