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Israeli forces kill Gaza mother in front of her children
electronicintifada.net — The troops opened the outside metal door, then blew up the wooden interior door. The force of the blast killed 33-year-old Wafa Shaker al-Daghma instantly ... The troops then detained her three children, who had all witnessed the killing of their mother, in one of the rooms of the house.
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- ad33lshahid, on 05/09/2008, -7/+46every day a new story out of israel makes me truly depressed and sad
- slotimus, on 05/09/2008, -4/+19I am right there with you.
- caferrell, on 05/09/2008, -8/+41This has to stop. The sane Israelis that realize peace cannot come by murdering innocents are going to have to show that they actually live in a Democracy and rein in their murderous government.
And we need to rein in our criminal imperialist government here in the US before they involve us in another illegal and immoral war.
Write letters, protest!- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -13/+6Any word on reining in Palestinian terrorists?
Nah...- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -4/+6It's not us, it's them!
- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -13/+6Any word on reining in Palestinian terrorists?
- zerocool1990, on 05/09/2008, -5/+31Wow imagine the horror those poor kids lived, I wouldn't be able to handle the stress.
- artliquide, on 05/10/2008, -3/+16Not to mention that the children didn't receive medical care for 6 hours after having their house blown up. Selfish bastards need to have an explosion go off in their faces, killing their mothers and be locked in a room with no medical attention for a year for every child they abused there.
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -4/+10147 Palestinians have died as a direct result of not being allowed to get medical attention by the IOF in the past two years. That's 147 first degree murders.
- Beveridge89, on 05/11/2008, -5/+4...And Israel treated 7000 palestinians in Israel in 2007
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/73754 ... - neocognitism, on 05/11/2008, -4/+6Fine, so we just find the commanders who okayed the murder/deaths of these 147 people and put them in prison, then justice will be served.
I'm sure you'll agree.- yonoz, on 05/12/2008, -2/+5But how are you going to arrest Hamas commanders?
- Beveridge89, on 05/12/2008, -0/+2Sure, if the circumstances are as you imply. What were the circumstances?
- Beveridge89, on 05/11/2008, -5/+4...And Israel treated 7000 palestinians in Israel in 2007
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -4/+10147 Palestinians have died as a direct result of not being allowed to get medical attention by the IOF in the past two years. That's 147 first degree murders.
- artliquide, on 05/10/2008, -3/+16Not to mention that the children didn't receive medical care for 6 hours after having their house blown up. Selfish bastards need to have an explosion go off in their faces, killing their mothers and be locked in a room with no medical attention for a year for every child they abused there.
- slotimus, on 05/09/2008, -8/+30Not hard to understand why Palestinians despise the illegal state of Israel seeing that this sort of thing happens almost daily.
- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -13/+4Sources?
- slotimus, on 05/10/2008, -4/+19http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F5910965-AD ...
Also, here is an ISRAELI human rights group that keeps some statistics.
http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Casualti ...- yonoz, on 05/11/2008, -9/+4The first link is to a story about the deaths of 5 Hamas militants, not quite civilian mothers.
The second link is to statistics that present this sort of thing DOES NOT happen "almost daily". The statistics themselves are very biased and inflate Palestinian casualties. - neocognitism, on 05/11/2008, -3/+11@noz: "The statistics themselves are very biased and inflate Palestinian casualties."
Sources? Proof?- yonoz, on 05/11/2008, -6/+3Just look at the "Palestinians not involved in hostilities" - they include wanted terrorists that died while resisting arrest.
- neocognitism, on 05/11/2008, -4/+4Sources? Proof?
- yonoz, on 05/12/2008, -1/+3This is under "Palestinians who did not take part in the hostilities and were killed by Israeli security forces in the Occupied Territories":
Maryam Ahmad Muhammad a-Rahel
54 year-old resident of Beit Lahiya, North Gaza district, killed on 17.01.2008 in Beit Lahiya, North Gaza district, by gunfire, from a helicopter. Did not participate in hostilities when killed. Additional information: Wanted. Killed in an exchange of gunfire with soldiers who had surrounded his house.
- neocognitism, on 05/11/2008, -4/+8And this comment by noz was made at 6AM Israeli time, after having commented at 4AM and 5AM Israeli time. On a Sunday morning.
Suuuure you live in Israel, noz, and "clean toilets in a hospital" there.
- yonoz, on 05/11/2008, -9/+4The first link is to a story about the deaths of 5 Hamas militants, not quite civilian mothers.
- slotimus, on 05/10/2008, -4/+19http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F5910965-AD ...
- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -13/+4Sources?
- americangoy, on 05/09/2008, -6/+38Sooo...
Tell me....
Why are Palestinians becoming terrorists again?
I for one have no idea /sarcasm- 911ArtStudent, on 05/10/2008, -5/+18Israeliboy tells me it's because of Farfur the mouse.
- cageybee, on 05/10/2008, -7/+30terrorists!
- yumlum, on 05/10/2008, -2/+7agree
- 7Mystery, on 05/10/2008, -4/+25Yet no one in MSM or public office has the balls to call it out. Very sad.
"Why do they hate us, why do they hate Israel?" - roosevans, on 05/10/2008, -4/+12Any extended armed conflict or war will bring out the worst in all combatants. The Israeli and the Palestinians have both committed atrocities in "the name of God". The madness of war between Israel and Palestine will only end with a genuine "truce" along with a real commitment to peace. The objective scrutiny of the media will go a long way to bringing peace to Israel and Palestine.
- brodskie, on 05/10/2008, -26/+10The article headline is really inflammatory when you consider it's content. Israeli soldiers did not purposefully kill this woman. They were raiding a house of a known Hamas member (the target), and had every reason to expect to encounter a man armed with an automatic weapon. This woman was simply in the way when they blew in the door (which is the only safe way to enter a house that could be booby trapped or have a gunman waiting by the doorway.
I don't like everything Israel does in the Palestinian territories, but this doesn't seem like anything but a tragic mistake.- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -5/+15Which your group says every time innocent Palestinian women and children are murdered, and international newsteams are murdered as well.
You said it last week about another entire family. OOPS!
You said it the week before about the entire newsteam. OOPS!
You'll say the exact same thing again in a couple days.
That's ~5000 OOPSIES since 2000.
OOPS!- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -15/+6Care to provide sources for that?
What is your average monthly spending on tin foil?- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -4/+11Wow, noz, your asking for sources almost fools me into thinking you're here for an actual discussion, and not to astroturf for your PR firm.
- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -15/+6Care to provide sources for that?
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -4/+13Learn from the horse's mouth before spouting more ignorance.
http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -14/+7Where does it say the IDF uses door charges to kill mothers on purpose? Wouldn't it be simpler to just shoot her?
Looks like you're the one spouting ignorance here.- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -4/+8I dunno noz, you seem so chummy with the IOF why not just walk up to them again and ask?
- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -14/+7Where does it say the IDF uses door charges to kill mothers on purpose? Wouldn't it be simpler to just shoot her?
- artliquide, on 05/10/2008, -4/+17Was locking the kids in a room for 6 hours with no medical attention a mistake too?
- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -12/+8How do you know they received no medical attention?
- MarkusGarvey, on 05/11/2008, -3/+8whatever these... "dangerous" children got in their 6 hr detention was not good enough...dammit yonoz!...these children just watched their mother get blown to bits...how can you possibly defend this!....the mental damage will last long after the physical has healed...oh wait!..all IOF soldiers are trained medics and psychologists..//s..
- neocognitism, on 05/11/2008, -3/+6Marcus, he's a provocateur who has a deep hatred of Arabs. He'll say anything.
- MarkusGarvey, on 05/11/2008, -3/+5digg me down with no response....pretty lame...
- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -12/+8How do you know they received no medical attention?
- avengingturnip, on 05/10/2008, -3/+11Proverbs6:16 Six things there are, which the Lord hateth, and the seventh his soul detesteth: 17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD, 18 A heart that deviseth wicked plots, feet that are swift to run into mischief, 19 A deceitful witness that uttereth lies, and him that soweth discord among brethren.
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -5/+15Which your group says every time innocent Palestinian women and children are murdered, and international newsteams are murdered as well.
- romistrub, on 05/10/2008, -16/+5Here's my completely honest take on this:
I am sympathetic towards the victims, but I will take no measures to end something which does not affect me. I have to draw the line - that which I am willing to protect and work for - somewhere, and I'm not going to make value judgments on any atrocities in which I play no part.
Think about this before you digg me down out of anger. I am not selfish. I am pragmatic.- dinostabOMG, on 05/10/2008, -3/+11In a word - apathy. You can call it pragmatic if that allows you to sleep. I suppose there are simply those who consider altruism and humanity to be of some value and those who don't. Maybe one day you will learn the value of other people.
- romistrub, on 05/10/2008, -9/+4Don't be simplistic. I am not apathetic to things that affect me. I do not have the means to feel outrage for all wrongs in the world individually. I feel outrage only for things which I intend to change, otherwise it is a waste of mental energy. I am selective, perhaps... but not apathetic.
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -3/+8Then move on. Why even bother informing us of your apathy?
Check that, I don't want to know, because I am apathetic about you and your apathy. - artliquide, on 05/10/2008, -2/+9Perhaps it will matter to you when the apathy and hatred spreads to your door and you are the victim.
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -3/+8Then move on. Why even bother informing us of your apathy?
- romistrub, on 05/10/2008, -9/+4Don't be simplistic. I am not apathetic to things that affect me. I do not have the means to feel outrage for all wrongs in the world individually. I feel outrage only for things which I intend to change, otherwise it is a waste of mental energy. I am selective, perhaps... but not apathetic.
- dinostabOMG, on 05/10/2008, -3/+11In a word - apathy. You can call it pragmatic if that allows you to sleep. I suppose there are simply those who consider altruism and humanity to be of some value and those who don't. Maybe one day you will learn the value of other people.
- Avrumales, on 05/10/2008, -18/+10I was like "wow, what a ***** tragedy, it's yet another horrible day of struggle and this time it's the Israelis that act like rabid animals".
But then I browsed the site, and even the domain name says it all. I mean, come on!
ELECTRONIC INTIFADA?
They might as well be named FOX.- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -5/+15The record bears out that EI does not slant news, but rather carries news very few other outlets will, who all purposely censor inglorious news about Israel's government's treatment of the Palestinians.
Sorry, the FOX dysphemism does not work here. If you had tried to compare FOX to Jpost, then you'd be correct.- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -13/+7LMFAO@ "EI does not slant news"!
- sherrife, on 05/10/2008, -7/+19Your opinion means jack. You Zionists even think that right-wing MSM outlets like CNN and BBC are slanted against Israel!!
- yonoz, on 05/11/2008, -8/+6OOOHHH a Trotskyist!
Yes, YOUR opinions means much, seeing as you don't care much for free press or democracy anyway! How's that proletariat dictatorship coming along?
ROFL - neocognitism, on 05/11/2008, -4/+6Actually, I was just thinking how stupid your unending inopportune use of "ROFL" is.
Let's see, 9PM EST is 4AM in Israel.
Yeah. Suuuuure you live in Israel, and "work in a hospital," you pathetic teenage American astroturfer. - yonoz, on 05/11/2008, -4/+3ROFL
- neocognitism, on 05/11/2008, -5/+2Everyone notice he didn't address his lying about being in Israel.
He posted tha above after an 11-hour snooze at 8AM EST, or 3PM Israeli time. Hmm, WHICH ONE COULD IT BE? - yonoz, on 05/12/2008, -1/+4I suppose the concept of "shifts" is hard to grasp for someone that's unemployed and spends all their time inciting against Israel and Jews.
- neocognitism, on 05/12/2008, -4/+1What shifts, yonoz? Enlighten us! Keep up the hate against Israel and Jews in the meantime, and the pathetic attempts at reflection.
- txchica, on 05/12/2008, -0/+4Neo, I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but hospital workers work in shifts, so that there's always someone there. Most of my friends that are nurses work the night shift because they get paid more, and since they go to work at night, they usually sleep during the day. And most of them can't go straight home and go to sleep, so they hit the computer as almost everything else (besides Walmart) is closed.
- yonoz, on 05/11/2008, -8/+6OOOHHH a Trotskyist!
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -5/+7I know, when CNN and NYTimes are called openly ultra-Zionist rags by Jewish leaders.
- sherrife, on 05/10/2008, -7/+19Your opinion means jack. You Zionists even think that right-wing MSM outlets like CNN and BBC are slanted against Israel!!
- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -13/+7LMFAO@ "EI does not slant news"!
- 911ArtStudent, on 05/11/2008, -5/+6Have you ever listened to the man who runs electronic intifada speak? I guarantee you won't confuse him with a propaganda outfit like FOX, CAMERA, or NIZKOR
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -5/+15The record bears out that EI does not slant news, but rather carries news very few other outlets will, who all purposely censor inglorious news about Israel's government's treatment of the Palestinians.
- DeviantDragon, on 05/10/2008, -19/+9"Israeli forces INADVERTENTLY kill Gaza mother in front of her children"
Really, it was an accident and a mistake. I actually think the actions of the forces after they realized this are fairly responsible. Cover the body so that the children don't have to see it, then corral the kids into a room so that they are kept safe from any other dangerous activity that could go on. They didn't act like douchebags and execute the mother while her kids pleaded for her life even though that's the implication of the title.- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -6/+13And you're basing that on what? You firm belief the IOF never ever does anything wrong and only ever responds?
That is an inaccurate point of view that has been thoroughly debunked time and time again, Ziontologist.- DeviantDragon, on 05/10/2008, -14/+8I'm basing all my statements on the damn article itself. Who the hell tries to intentionally kill someone with a door breaching charge? And the covering and kid sequestering thing are reasonable inferences. Other than that claim, I really don't know what is inaccurate about my point of view. Are you really just confused and don't know that respond and responsible are not really related? Geez, don't accuse me of being a Zionist when its you that's clearly the biased party.
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -5/+13http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp
Learn something before you ignorantly defend murderers. - artliquide, on 05/10/2008, -5/+10If they supposedly had the kids' best interest in mind, would they not have brought the children to the hospital? They could have sequestered them where the children would really be safe and cared for.
- yonoz, on 05/10/2008, -12/+6Once again, when faced with an unsurmountable obstacle to furthering his lies, cog resorts to mud-slinging.
@artiiguide, what makes you think the kids would be safer outside? What makes you think the soldiers did not have a medic with them, and that the kids weren't examined? - neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -4/+6noz, I see you are calling IDF soldiers "mud" now. The depth of your antisemitic astroturfing knows no bounds.
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -5/+13http://www.shovrimshtika.org/index_e.asp
- DeviantDragon, on 05/10/2008, -14/+8I'm basing all my statements on the damn article itself. Who the hell tries to intentionally kill someone with a door breaching charge? And the covering and kid sequestering thing are reasonable inferences. Other than that claim, I really don't know what is inaccurate about my point of view. Are you really just confused and don't know that respond and responsible are not really related? Geez, don't accuse me of being a Zionist when its you that's clearly the biased party.
- neocognitism, on 05/10/2008, -6/+13And you're basing that on what? You firm belief the IOF never ever does anything wrong and only ever responds?
- chrisjj, on 05/10/2008, -4/+16The so-called 'Israeli Defense Forces' once again demonstrate that they are no more than thugs and barbarians. A bunch of scared 19-year-old conscripts on a 'power-high' not even realizing that their inhumane behavior towards the Palestinians are on a par with that of the Nazis of WWII. What a disgrace. High time the UN sent in peace-keeping forces to reign in on this arrogance.
- AlwaysAwake, on 05/10/2008, -4/+5Seen any "nice" civilized wars lately. War is hell. Dubya & Co. are about to give us a free ticket to Hades. We won't be just spectators this time. It will get up close and personal as it escalates.
- neocognitism, on 05/11/2008, -2/+13This is a new one. This story is at 95, and does not show up in the upcoming stories list, which has meant that it's buried.
BUT when I search for it, it comes up under upcoming stories, without having to check "buried."
I've never seen this behavior. Is this blatant moderation by digg to just hide it, but not bury it outright? WTF??? - MrColdheart, on 05/11/2008, -2/+8The Palestinian Center for Human Rights has been asking for help from the international community and I don't think they'll be getting it, lets be honest.
I think there religious war is immoral and I don't see an end to it.
It's like betting for the underdog in a fixed match. "And the winner is... Israel!" - m2garand, on 05/11/2008, -2/+12Bury brigade strikes again. It sad, it only takes like 5 buries and you can overturn over 100 diggs.
- gamebittk, on 05/11/2008, -5/+6Front page quote: "The Electronic Intifada (EI), found at electronicIntifada.net, publishes news, commentary, analysis, and reference materials about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict from a Palestinian perspective."
Are there any other sources to this story besides one from a Palestinian bias site?- neocognitism, on 05/11/2008, -4/+2You mean one with an Israeli bias? No, see, they do something called "death by censorship."
EI reports the facts, those are not in dispute, and by dismissing this atrocity on that sole basis proves your anti-Arab hate and bias, and your Ziontologist "greater Israel" allegiance. ***** off.
- neocognitism, on 05/11/2008, -4/+2You mean one with an Israeli bias? No, see, they do something called "death by censorship."
- MarkEarhart, on 06/16/2008, -0/+1Yet another example of the ruthlessness of the illegitimate regime we continue to fund and ally with.
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