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Israeli charges of Syrian Nukes turn out to be a hoax!
amconmag.com — The few people in US intelligence circles who were actually allowed to review the evidence provided by the Israelis regarding the alleged Syrian nuclear facility have called it “*****.” Perhaps the mainstream media should note the implausibility of the tale being spun given the inability of Syria to support any nuclear program.
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- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -54/+126The Israeli government lies about its immoral military operations? Say it isn't so!
- Zecchetti, on 04/27/2008, -21/+11perhaps israeligirl can help explain. or yonoz?
- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -10/+7Sigh. She won't talk with me, and Yonoz is busy washing soiled scrubs.
- cheesycow5, on 04/27/2008, -11/+2http://icanhaz.com/stalin
- ricree, on 04/27/2008, -6/+25It may be true, but I find it rather ironic that a post which derides the media for being too credulous doesn't even bother to include a single source to back up what they are saying.
- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -11/+6here's what the International Atomic Energy Agency says:
(english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E007835C-444C-47E4-AB72-3FBF4641384C.htm).. in case Digg cuts link. And furthermore:
"Vincent Cannistraro, Director of Intelligence Programs for the National Security Council under President Ronald Reagan and Chief of Operations at the Central Intelligence Agency's Counterterrorism Center under President George H. W. Bush, is saying that what the Israelis hit was "absolutely not a nuclear weapons facility."
(rawstory.com//news/2007/Intelligence_officials_say_Israel_received_flawed_0924.html)- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -10/+12You cite Al Jazeera and some dude who hasn't seen a top secret report in 20 years?
Nice. - Adamande, on 04/27/2008, -5/+5He copied my comment. And I'm not citing Al Jazeera. I even write who I'm citing: The IAEA. Ok? They are the source. English Al Jazeera is the medium (and sorry to say, but they are a heck of a lot more objective than most American media). And that "some dude" has probably been in intelligence twice as long as you have lived and is as credible as any other source on how far advanced the Syrians are in their nuclear research. How about you provide the solid evidence from water tight sources, that this "nuclear facility" actually existed at all? It's very easy to whine, but can you manage to do some work yourself?
- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -10/+12You cite Al Jazeera and some dude who hasn't seen a top secret report in 20 years?
- bjornski, on 04/27/2008, -9/+4If it's as accurate as the Israeli "intelligence", what's the point?
- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -11/+6here's what the International Atomic Energy Agency says:
- twiztidsinz, on 04/27/2008, -7/+17This guy's like an Israeli Story ambulance chaser.
Just about any story with Israel mentioned you'll see this guy post and most of them are about as prolific as this one.
I'm not trying to sound like I'm supporting Israel or anything but I'd need a story with a little more detail than 'someone said something' especially from a website called 'The American Conservative'.- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -12/+5Were you a former CIA officer who covered the Middle East and has extensive contacts there? Well Philip Giraldi is.
- twiztidsinz, on 04/27/2008, -5/+11Did he review the evidence? According to the article he didn't.
So he could have been the King of America for all I care, he still is basing this on what people have said without any proof.
- twiztidsinz, on 04/27/2008, -5/+11Did he review the evidence? According to the article he didn't.
- JewishActivist, on 04/28/2008, -4/+3yeah, G-d forbid you should sound like you're supporting Israel or something!
The whole world should be thanking Israel and singing its praises again (like it should have when Israel took out Iraq's nuclear reactor) Instead, we have people who are afraid to even show support for Israel, and the typical antisemites who feel compelled to make up lies.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -12/+5Were you a former CIA officer who covered the Middle East and has extensive contacts there? Well Philip Giraldi is.
- pitlord, on 04/29/2008, -3/+1The blog post sites ZERO sources. Typical for libtard propaganda.
>.>
- Zecchetti, on 04/27/2008, -21/+11perhaps israeligirl can help explain. or yonoz?
- allowners, on 04/27/2008, -24/+85Once again illustrating the corollary principle to "never believe anything until the government denies it."
- zappa717, on 04/27/2008, -11/+12That's awesome! Plan to steal it.
- TrevaLVF, on 04/27/2008, -6/+9Let's just share it. We'll credit allowners as our direct source.
- allowners, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2I can't claim credit, it's a derived comment from this original (AFAIK) Good quotes stick with you, by all means use it, but be aware of the origin.
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Claud_Cockbur ...
- allowners, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2I can't claim credit, it's a derived comment from this original (AFAIK) Good quotes stick with you, by all means use it, but be aware of the origin.
- TrevaLVF, on 04/27/2008, -6/+9Let's just share it. We'll credit allowners as our direct source.
- borez, on 04/27/2008, -11/+10"never believe anything until the government denies it."
I like that. I like that a lot. - hadees, on 04/27/2008, -8/+11hasn't Syria been denying that it was a nuclear facility?
- zappa717, on 04/27/2008, -11/+12That's awesome! Plan to steal it.
- LadyKofNYC, on 04/27/2008, -55/+112I wouldn't expect anything other that complete ***** coming from the Israeli government.
- Picaroon, on 04/27/2008, -23/+27I wouldn't expect anything other than blind following of anything anti-Israel from Digg, no matter how ridiculously unsourced it is.
- laserblazer, on 04/27/2008, -13/+13America's 'friends of Israel' should try being a friend to America once in their miserable lives.
- ricree, on 04/27/2008, -6/+14I agree with Picaroon for the moment. Does anyone actually have a credible source for these claims, or are we supposed to just accept the words of an unsourced blog post?
From what I've seen so far, all we really have is two untrustworthy sides calling each other liars. While the Israeli and US governments have hardly shown themselves to be trustworthy, Syria is at least as untrustworthy as they are.- bjornski, on 04/27/2008, -9/+4As compared to what? Israeli sources? The ones proven false yet again?
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -1/+1Has there ever been a case in which Israeli intel was proven wrong?
- xadhominemx, on 04/27/2008, -4/+11Talk about confirmation bias...
- rugabug, on 04/27/2008, -8/+10You little girl are an idiot.
- bjornski, on 04/27/2008, -9/+7You're at 63 duggs at the moment (one of them mine).
But once this hits Megaphone, expect that to drop sharply.- relic180, on 04/27/2008, -3/+5I agree that the article is basically not sourced at all and thus should not be regarded as fact. HOWEVER, completely independent of this story, I too would not expect much else than ***** from the Israeli government. So I dugg.
- bjornski, on 04/27/2008, -6/+6You're down to 52. They've arrived.
- neko6, on 04/27/2008, -6/+5Which Israeli government are you referring to? Israel is a democracy, its government changes frequently. Saying you don't believe them is like saying the Batter for the New York Yankees can't run...
- LadyKofNYC, on 04/28/2008, -6/+5Well no government should be trusted at their word, but one should be particularly suspicious of what Israel says because they have an agenda, which is to go to war (or have the US go to war) with all of their neighbors so that they will weaken their neighbors and emerge the sole power in the Middle East. (They've admitted that they seek to weaken a number of surrounding governments, so don't even try to deny is.) Their other ongoing agenda is to usurp more and more Palestinian land.
The only time this agenda was ever changed in Israel's history was when Yitzhak Rabin was Prime Minister. He was truly interested in peace and sought to build bridges with Israel's neighbors. But he was gunned down by a Muslim-hating psychotic not unlike yourself and the rest of your Megaphone crew, and not unlike the psychotics who govern Israel today.- txchica, on 04/28/2008, -2/+3Can you provide evidence of all these "agenda's" or is this the same kind of unsourced "evidence" as was in this article?
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -3/+2"because they have an agenda, which is to go to war" - why do you think Israel wants war? War is bad for the economy, no country with more than 20,000$ GDP has ever initiated war, Israel included.
"They've admitted that they seek to weaken a number of surrounding governments" - they said they will keep any SELF DECLARED ENEMY of Israel weak. If Syria declares they no longer wish to conquer Israel, Israel would leave them be and probably initiate trade and support.
You see, you can't attempt to genocide another nation three times and then expect they'll let you get nukes before you at least SAY you won't do it again...
"The only time this agenda was ever changed in Israel's history was when Yitzhak Rabin was Prime Minister" - not true, many Israeli governments signed peace treaties, and many offered more concessions than Israel's enemies ever did.
"he was gunned down by a Muslim-hating psychotic" - he wasn't a Muslim hater, he was an extremist Jew who believes land owned by Jews should never be given to non-Jews. In his mind, a single leader (Rabin) does not have the moral right to give lands owned by Israel to other nations. Its just like the Palestinian leadership deals with Muslim lands. You see, what in Israel is considered an extremist is the mainstream in Palestinian society - selling land to a Jew is punishable by death.
P.S: Hi neocon, I was wondering which digg accounts were your shill accounts here. You're even crazier than I thought.
- LadyKofNYC, on 04/28/2008, -6/+5Well no government should be trusted at their word, but one should be particularly suspicious of what Israel says because they have an agenda, which is to go to war (or have the US go to war) with all of their neighbors so that they will weaken their neighbors and emerge the sole power in the Middle East. (They've admitted that they seek to weaken a number of surrounding governments, so don't even try to deny is.) Their other ongoing agenda is to usurp more and more Palestinian land.
- solid12345, on 04/28/2008, -3/+7Right as if Israel would send a squadron of jets into enemy territory and potentially bring the wrath of world public opinion on them just to bomb a sandwich factory or whatever you Syrian dictator apologists can come up with.
- Picaroon, on 04/27/2008, -23/+27I wouldn't expect anything other than blind following of anything anti-Israel from Digg, no matter how ridiculously unsourced it is.
- TrevaLVF, on 04/27/2008, -38/+52I suspected that it was a hoax. Apparently, this Cartel consisting of the Israeli Zionists and their neo-Nazi-con allies are quite satisfied with the "They have WMD" call for aggressive military attacks on urban targets in countries neighboring Israel.
- caferrell, on 04/27/2008, -14/+17It took them months to get the Photoshopped pictures to look good enough to foll the Senators... Actually a pencil drawing on the back of a napkin would have worked just as well.
- unpolloloco, on 04/27/2008, -9/+9does anyone else see the irony in TrevaLVF's statement "Zionists and their neo-Nazi-con allies"?
- WTFppl, on 04/27/2008, -6/+4No, because Zionist are not real Jews. They just pretend to be Jewish, they only care about money!
- grantilius, on 04/27/2008, -6/+8wow WTFppl, just what we need, another anti-semitic 31 year old loser blaming his problems on a group with a total world population of around 20 million. Grow up *****.
- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -4/+5Don't you see? If it's the global Jewish conspiracy making him a failure, it's not him. That way he never has to face up to his own failures. "It's because of the greedy Jews that I'm a college flunky! It's because of the Jews that I'm 2 months behind on rent!" etc.
- PlagueOfMorons, on 04/27/2008, -5/+3So which one of the previous two names is one of foofinger's newest shill accounts?
- WTFppl, on 05/13/2008, -0/+1What says you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist?
- grantilius, on 04/27/2008, -6/+8wow WTFppl, just what we need, another anti-semitic 31 year old loser blaming his problems on a group with a total world population of around 20 million. Grow up *****.
- leexy, on 04/27/2008, -5/+7Zionism would not have taken off had it not been for Nazism. Many (if not most) Zionists, would not change that dark page of history if they could.
- neko6, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3You've just blamed a few million people of supporting the genocide of millions of THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
Does that even make sense to you?
- neko6, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3You've just blamed a few million people of supporting the genocide of millions of THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
- WTFppl, on 04/27/2008, -6/+4No, because Zionist are not real Jews. They just pretend to be Jewish, they only care about money!
- neko6, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3Has there ever been a SINGLE case where aggressive military attacks were conducted on urban targets in countries neighboring Israel with the pretense of "they have WMDs"?
There should be an entrance exam to commenting on Digg, shish.
- zerocool1990, on 04/27/2008, -42/+67I think everyone must've realized by now that everything Israel says is *****.
- unpolloloco, on 04/27/2008, -12/+23As is everything that Hamas says........I think it might be a problem in that entire area.
- Picer, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4Agreed, that part of the mid-east is off limits, they can bring Armageddon on their own respective counties but should not wail for help when they wallow in their own troubles.
I hope for peace but ... unlikely to say the least. - laserblazer, on 04/27/2008, -5/+7But.. but... Hamas!
- ad33lshahid, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5Israeli UN ambassador called President Carter a bigot for meeting with Hamas. Bushco and his zionist buddies need to stop the whole cowboy "we're never going to meet with people who we deem are terrorist" *****--- it will only result in more wars, less dialogue, more xenophobia and ultimately we're the ones who will suffer
- Picer, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4Agreed, that part of the mid-east is off limits, they can bring Armageddon on their own respective counties but should not wail for help when they wallow in their own troubles.
- anonymiau, on 04/27/2008, -8/+6@unpolloloco
Yeah, go ahead and compare the occupants with nukes and the most powerful allies in the world, to a makeshift guerrilla resisting the ever expanding settling and theft of land by the Zionist regime. I guess the allies during the 2WW were just as bad as the Nazis cause they fought back, eyh? They should have just stayed put and let the Germans occupy everything? Cause I don't know if Diggers notice that Israel today is about ten times bigger than Israel of 1948. Seems like they've been "defending themselves" further and further onto someone else's land.- relic180, on 04/27/2008, -4/+5Just because the guerrillas are the underdogs, doesn't mean they don't put out their own brand of *****.
- unpolloloco, on 04/27/2008, -12/+23As is everything that Hamas says........I think it might be a problem in that entire area.
- Forcough, on 04/27/2008, -12/+21Scott Ritter: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19 ...
- Sharkee, on 04/27/2008, -9/+37"Syrian Nukes"... snukes?
- talonstriker, on 04/27/2008, -19/+1I have to ask this...is your name Adam and do you go to UMd?
- borez, on 04/27/2008, -19/+22Suprise suprise ( Eng spelling )
- aajjcckk, on 04/27/2008, -18/+28NOOOOOO. REALLY???
- lupin0132, on 04/27/2008, -4/+3this is my surprised face. ready, go.
- oldhick, on 04/27/2008, -28/+78Is anyone else concerned that this blog cites no sources, explains nothings, and just makes it claim and moves on...
- stienster, on 04/27/2008, -13/+28Yes, I had the same thought.
- consonance, on 04/27/2008, -6/+12Yeah, but Digg is eating it up. It's sad that so many Diggers will use such a flaky source as The American Conservative. Has anyone bothered to read their other articles? This website has a blog post titled, "McCain’s Socialist Upbringing." Yeah, real credible. I don't know if Israel is lying or not, but using this website as evidence is nothing short of nearsighted.
- p0s3r, on 04/27/2008, -2/+10Diggers don't need or want facts. They just want anything that affirms their world-view. True or not.
- relic180, on 04/27/2008, -3/+2Nice generalization there. Nice and broad.
- consonance, on 04/27/2008, -6/+12Yeah, but Digg is eating it up. It's sad that so many Diggers will use such a flaky source as The American Conservative. Has anyone bothered to read their other articles? This website has a blog post titled, "McCain’s Socialist Upbringing." Yeah, real credible. I don't know if Israel is lying or not, but using this website as evidence is nothing short of nearsighted.
- smacksaw, on 04/27/2008, -18/+9What's strange is that it reminds me exactly of what the Republicans who hate Obama do with their blogs, yet this is totally contrary to their agenda. So it can't be their Rove-errist sort of techniques, can it?
- oldhick, on 04/27/2008, -2/+7You just never know now do you?
- Kizilbash, on 04/27/2008, -18/+25The people making the claims that Syria has a nuclear program are the one supposed to provide evidence, not the people denying it. The claims of a Syrian nuclear program are even more obviously ***** than the claims about an Iraqi or Iranian nuclear program.
Maybe you like this better then:
http://www.juancole.com/2008/04/more-on-syrian-rea ...
"The alleged reactor is described, because of its dimensions and shape, as a duplicate of the North Korean reactor at Yongbyon. The reactor at Yongbyon is a rough copy of an old British design. It is graphite-moderated and cooled with gaseous carbon dioxide. Its core is composed of a large number of highly-purified graphite blocks. For example, each of the first two Magnox reactors at Windscale in the UK used 2,000 tons of graphite. Even if this purported Syrian reactor vessel were half the size of one of the original UK reactors, it would require roughly 1,000 tons of graphite. That's 14,400 cubic feet of highly-purified graphite. Would all official entities fail to notice the production and transfer of that amount of highly-refined graphite to Syria?
The voice-over on the CIA videotape asserts that the reactor in Syria was "nearly completed." If the plant were "nearly completed," those graphite blocks would have been substantially in place. Bombing and fire would have spread bits of carbon all over the site, or scattered whole blocks of graphite around the site. The "after" photos didn't seem to indicate that this happened.
If the reactor were substantially complete, neutron-absorbing boron-10 carbide (or possibly cadmium alloy) control rods would have been installed. Had those been burned or exploded in the bombing, those, too, would have left a chemical signature on the hills surrounding the site and in the prevailing winds. As far as I know, this hasn't been discussed."- unpolloloco, on 04/27/2008, -10/+17Gravity is just a huge big oil conspiracy!!!!!!! Let's all rise up and rebel against gravity!!!!! (Since people denying things need no evidence, I figured I'd go ahead and deny that gravity exists).
The article you linked to gives no evidence either........Anyway, I'll address a few of your points: 1) It's not like it's that hard to smuggle stuff (even large amounts of it) - especially if it's the government thats doing the smuggling. A Semi has a capacity of 40 tons(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-trailer_truck#No ... - only 25 would be needed to transport all the needed granite 2) A block of graphite would probably more or less stay in the same spot after a bombing - wouldn't be scattered across the region for any reason. 3) did anyone check for chemical signatures?
Moral of the story: get valid resources. That said, the official story was probably not what actually happened, but please don't make the claim that you don't need evidence to deny a statement.- petrodollar, on 04/27/2008, -4/+8"please don't make the claim that you don't need evidence to deny a statement."
No one is saying that. Only that the burden is on the person MAKING the positive assertion to back it up with evidence. Once that's done, evidence is of course needed to refute that assertion.
In this case, it's stupid to insist that doubters produce evidence refuting claims that are themselves entirely lacking in evidence. That's the logical equivalent of demanding proof of the non-existence of unicorns, which is highly dumb.
- petrodollar, on 04/27/2008, -4/+8"please don't make the claim that you don't need evidence to deny a statement."
- unpolloloco, on 04/27/2008, -10/+17Gravity is just a huge big oil conspiracy!!!!!!! Let's all rise up and rebel against gravity!!!!! (Since people denying things need no evidence, I figured I'd go ahead and deny that gravity exists).
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -11/+12Philip Giraldi is a a former high-ranking intelligence officer in the CIA. This was his region. He has plenty of contacts and is a preferred source for anonymous leaks from the CIA.
- ricree, on 04/27/2008, -6/+10So basically, what you're saying is something along the lines of "You can trust this guy, he was in the CIA."
- anonymiau, on 04/27/2008, -7/+6No, what he's saying is that the author of the blog is a "source" in himself, since Oldhick wanted sources. He's doing a public service by educating us on who the blogger actually is. You on the other hand, just deployed a filthy strawman where you suggested he said something completely different (that probably fits your nasty little partisan view of the world better.)
- ricree, on 04/27/2008, -3/+3My "nasty little partisan views"? I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where actually wanting some sort of evidence for claims became a partisan issue.
- anonymiau, on 04/28/2008, -3/+3You want evidence for a claim that is "there is a lack of evidence"? How do you prove a lack of evidence? How do you disprove something that hasn't been ***** proven? Can you disprove a pink unicorn, smartass?
If you believe the Syrian-nuclear-factory theory, it's your responsibility to provide the ***** evidence. It's not the responsibility of other people to provide evidence that your made up story is correct or incorrect. It's on you. So prove it. When you've done that, you can come back to me and ask me to disprove it.
- anonymiau, on 04/27/2008, -7/+6No, what he's saying is that the author of the blog is a "source" in himself, since Oldhick wanted sources. He's doing a public service by educating us on who the blogger actually is. You on the other hand, just deployed a filthy strawman where you suggested he said something completely different (that probably fits your nasty little partisan view of the world better.)
- ricree, on 04/27/2008, -6/+10So basically, what you're saying is something along the lines of "You can trust this guy, he was in the CIA."
- leexy, on 04/27/2008, -3/+12Don't tell me you're one of those who want Syria to prove a negative.
- Adamande, on 04/27/2008, -6/+9Digg title is a bit on the sensational side, but the blog is accurately pointing out that as long as sufficient evidence for the "nuclear facility" in Syria hasn't been provided, there's no reason to believe there was such a facility. And if you want sources, here's what the International Atomic Energy Agency says:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E007835C-44 ...
(english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E007835C-444C-47E4-AB72-3FBF4641384C.htm).. in case Digg cuts link. And furthermore:
"Vincent Cannistraro, Director of Intelligence Programs for the National Security Council under President Ronald Reagan and Chief of Operations at the Central Intelligence Agency's Counterterrorism Center under President George H. W. Bush, is saying that what the Israelis hit was "absolutely not a nuclear weapons facility."
http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Intelligence_offici ...
(rawstory.com//news/2007/Intelligence_officials_say_Israel_received_flawed_0924.html) - 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -7/+4Philip Giraldi is a former high-ranking CIA Officer who covered the middle east region. He has extensive contacts there and is frequently relied upon as a media source through which anonymous intelligence community leaks can be made.
- FunkyNuts, on 04/27/2008, -3/+5You're surprised coming from a site that uses the term "neocon"?
- petrodollar, on 04/28/2008, -4/+4When 16 US intelligence agencies published that NIE stating that Iran had shuttered its nuclear weapons program years ago, republicans went on a pants pissing binge and cried that they weren't a reliable source of info.
Moral of the story: it doesn't matter how rock solid the intelligence is. If it doesn't support the republican platform, they'll stick their fingers in their ears and scream "la la la."
- stienster, on 04/27/2008, -13/+28Yes, I had the same thought.
- OJdidntdoIT, on 04/27/2008, -27/+38The maker of this blog must be in some sort of anti Israeli internet forum. At the time of this post he has 81 diggs, and that is the ***** blog I ever read in my life. Only his close personal buds who take the time to even read that *****, let alone take a half second to click on the Digg Icon.
- FadieZ, on 04/27/2008, -21/+10Or maybe it's due to the fact the information posted on his blog is more diggworthy than the aesthetics?
- unpolloloco, on 04/27/2008, -10/+19Or maybe it's due to the fact that digg readers don't care about the reliability of their info?
- pintomp3, on 04/27/2008, -9/+8we care about the reliability of our info used to justify war.
- petrodollar, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4Republican logic: if there's a 1% chance that Iraq has WMD, it is proper to start a $2 trillion war. Because we can't tolerate a 1% chance of being wrong.
When if comes to global warming, of course, that logic goes entirely out the window. According to republicans, if there's a 95% chance that global warming is occuring, but a 5% chance that it isn't occuring, it is proper to ignore the problem entirely.
This concludes lesson #82435 in republican stupidthink.
- petrodollar, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4Republican logic: if there's a 1% chance that Iraq has WMD, it is proper to start a $2 trillion war. Because we can't tolerate a 1% chance of being wrong.
- pintomp3, on 04/27/2008, -9/+8we care about the reliability of our info used to justify war.
- Tangaroa, on 04/27/2008, -6/+20What "information posted on his blog"? It is a single paragraph of one guy's opinion with no sources.
- unpolloloco, on 04/27/2008, -10/+19Or maybe it's due to the fact that digg readers don't care about the reliability of their info?
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -11/+9The blogger is a high-ranking former CIA officer. That is why his credibility is so strong
- grantilius, on 04/27/2008, -5/+9ok, lets get this straight shall we? CIA + no sources, does not = credibility. jackass.
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/27/2008, -4/+7But somehow on Digg --- non-CIA + no sources == credibility. /*rolls eyes*/
- bjornski, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4I trust him a lot more than I trust the "official sources".
- grantilius, on 04/27/2008, -5/+9ok, lets get this straight shall we? CIA + no sources, does not = credibility. jackass.
- FadieZ, on 04/27/2008, -21/+10Or maybe it's due to the fact the information posted on his blog is more diggworthy than the aesthetics?
- JimmySpaza, on 04/27/2008, -40/+14Israel was more than justified in attacking Syria...and should have doen it a long time ago once and for all.
- Siegfriedson, on 04/27/2008, -13/+13Why? Because the Jews are "the good guys" and the Muslims are "the bad guys"? Do you really think the conflict is so black-and-white?
- neko6, on 04/27/2008, -3/+6No, because Syria is a Zealot religious dictatorship that attempted to conquer another country.
When Germany did just that, it was enough for WW2. But if Syria does it THREE TIMES, its OK?- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -8/+3Syria is run by a secular socialist Arab nationalist dictatorship that hates Islamists. Get your facts straight neko
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -3/+6If they hate Islamists, why did they:
1. Join forces with Egypt Jordan and Iraq in an attempt to conquer Israel and genocide the Jews
2. Arm Hizbullah and Hamas
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -3/+6If they hate Islamists, why did they:
- textrant, on 04/27/2008, -7/+4Isn't Israel a religious state that has destroyed another country, and held her citizens as slaves for 50 years?
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -3/+41. Israelis are less religious than citizens in most nations in the world, and Israel has freedom of religion.
2. When did Israel hold slaves exactly? You're confusing your own country with Israel I presume...
3. When did Israel destroy another country? Israel never attacked another country unprovoked.
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -3/+41. Israelis are less religious than citizens in most nations in the world, and Israel has freedom of religion.
- source1984, on 04/27/2008, -8/+3wtf are you talking about. Syria is not religious AT ALL. Run by Allawi Shi'ites, the most secular of all Muslim sects. Well Israel has CONQUERED a people for FIFTY YEARS PLUS. When Germany tried that doing that, we bombed the hell out of Germany, now that Israel's doing it we ..... send them millions of dollars every year!
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -2/+5"Well Israel has CONQUERED a people for FIFTY YEARS PLUS. " - Israel offered them their lands back immediately after winning the war. They refused: "No negotiation, no peace" ... "We will drive the Jews into the sea". What would you do if you were the Israeli leader in that point of time, surrender to the people you just defeated in a defensive war for your life?
"When Germany tried that doing that, we bombed the hell out of Germany," - Germany ATTACKED other countries and murdered millions of people. Israel never attacked other countries, Israel conquered land from countries attempting (by their own admission) to genocide the population.
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -2/+5"Well Israel has CONQUERED a people for FIFTY YEARS PLUS. " - Israel offered them their lands back immediately after winning the war. They refused: "No negotiation, no peace" ... "We will drive the Jews into the sea". What would you do if you were the Israeli leader in that point of time, surrender to the people you just defeated in a defensive war for your life?
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -8/+3Syria is run by a secular socialist Arab nationalist dictatorship that hates Islamists. Get your facts straight neko
- neko6, on 04/27/2008, -3/+6No, because Syria is a Zealot religious dictatorship that attempted to conquer another country.
- petrodollar, on 04/27/2008, -10/+8This baseless, conclusory statement brought to you by JimmySpaza.
JimmySpaza: Filling in the low end of the Digg IQ bell curve since 12/07. - source1984, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2I can always rely on this guy for the generic pro-israeli, anti-muslim, conservative ***** comments. Thanks for being such a Spaz, Spaza.
- Siegfriedson, on 04/27/2008, -13/+13Why? Because the Jews are "the good guys" and the Muslims are "the bad guys"? Do you really think the conflict is so black-and-white?
- lordenlil, on 04/27/2008, -15/+48Why are we supposed to believe a sourceless paragraph posted under the "Blog" section of an online publication? I can safely say that sheeple willing to establish their beliefs and convictions on inflammatory drivel like this are the reason MSM has so much control over the American public.
- zplot, on 04/27/2008, -7/+21Good point. After just a little bit of research to validate or invalidate the statements on this blog, one finds that the Israelis never publicly claimed that this target was a nuclear site:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/903398.html
The Israelis have been pretty quiet about the operation. All details were speculative claims made by the CIA. The Israelis did provide some data gathered by reconnaissance planes, but that is not sufficient to claim that the Israelis made the above statement.- pintomp3, on 04/27/2008, -14/+10"Israel has admitted for the first time that an air strike in Syria last year was aimed at a nuclear facility built with assistance from North Korea."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne ...- xadhominemx, on 04/27/2008, -11/+5LOL, being dugg down for directly and incontrovertibly refuting zplot's claim. These people don't want to hear the truth, they just want to hear what ever confirms their world view.
- stubear, on 04/27/2008, -3/+6That article only referenced a closed door meeting without corroborating anything either. I had a meeting with Santa Claus just last week and he confirmed that he would be distributing gifts this year. Dispute those facts.
- xadhominemx, on 04/27/2008, -2/+3No you have it all wrong. zplot claimed that israel has never publicly claimed that they hit a nuclear site. pintomp provided an article containing just that admission. Whether or not the strike actually hit a nuclear facility is irrelevant to my point.
- lordenlil, on 04/27/2008, -0/+3And the "admission" that came from Israel took place "[behind a] closed door meeting without corroborating [the facts]". That's why pintomp was dugg down, at least according to stubear.
- pintomp3, on 04/27/2008, -14/+10"Israel has admitted for the first time that an air strike in Syria last year was aimed at a nuclear facility built with assistance from North Korea."
- flogistan, on 04/27/2008, -8/+2Shall we believe the main stream media or our government over this ***** blog? Tell me one reason why and I'll give you a hundred that show none of the three sources are reliable.
- zplot, on 04/27/2008, -7/+21Good point. After just a little bit of research to validate or invalidate the statements on this blog, one finds that the Israelis never publicly claimed that this target was a nuclear site:
- LOLPROFIT, on 04/27/2008, -18/+18I see the submitter enjoys painting pictures of the 9/11 Tragedy.
- twiztidsinz, on 04/27/2008, -8/+3because we all know that the US emergency phone number '911' was created after September 2001
- FadieZ, on 04/27/2008, -27/+26The Israeli government just seems to be prosperous when it comes to ***** nowadays.. why then do so many people still support a government based on nothing but pure ***** and propaganda?
- Picer, on 04/27/2008, -15/+9Why are you being dugg-down?
- lithium013, on 04/27/2008, -10/+6Megaphone Desktop Tool crowd ?
- bjornski, on 04/27/2008, -6/+6Yup. The Megaphone brigade has arrived.
I'm almost tempted to install it just to see how many stories they point people to to add "spin" to.
But I don't want that tracking ***** on my computer. - textrant, on 04/27/2008, -4/+5Didn't know what Megaphone was until just now. They seriously think that by messing with polls and distorting online communities they will be less hated?
- bjornski, on 04/27/2008, -6/+6Yup. The Megaphone brigade has arrived.
- FadieZ, on 04/28/2008, -2/+4The Digg upcoming section has been overcome by a pro-Zionist mob lately. It's usually only a matter of time before the story gets popular and the people who read the comments are more rational. You'll notice comments like mine get buried to hell until they get popular, where they start getting dugg up from there. (Call me crazy but I've been noticing this for a while. I'm pretty confident it's true.)
- lithium013, on 04/27/2008, -10/+6Megaphone Desktop Tool crowd ?
- Picer, on 04/27/2008, -15/+9Why are you being dugg-down?
- whatthefu, on 04/27/2008, -14/+49This article doesn't cite any sources. What reason is there to believe it?
- hadees, on 04/27/2008, -8/+19Because it agrees with some peoples assumptions which have no basis in fact.
- Kizilbash, on 04/27/2008, -15/+9The burden of proof is with the ***** artists who came up with this ludicrous story about a Syrian nuclear program in the first place. Just stating that they do and then repeating it doesn't make it true. It didn't when they were trying this crap about Iraq or Iran and it is even less credible this time.
- 1gunners4, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5Video Evidence = ***** proof?
Numerous satellite photographs = ***** proof?
I'm pretty sure the burden of proof is now on the OTHER side to show that the evidence put forth is bogus.
- 1gunners4, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5Video Evidence = ***** proof?
- NSResponder, on 04/27/2008, -6/+6Not only that, it purports to be about classified information. Doesn't break zero on my credibility meter.
-jcr - 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -9/+7The blogger is a high-ranking former CIA officer. That is why his credibility is so strong
- minimaximus, on 04/27/2008, -6/+3For the same reason you believe the official story with their so called 'proof' of photoshopped images...
- Kizilbash, on 04/27/2008, -25/+22If you want more detailed reasons why the accusation that Syria has a nuclear program is bogus, try this:
http://www.juancole.com/2008/04/more-on-syrian-rea ...
What little information provided in the CIA videotape concerning the destruction of the purported Syrian reactor only provokes more questions.
The alleged reactor is described, because of its dimensions and shape, as a duplicate of the North Korean reactor at Yongbyon. The reactor at Yongbyon is a rough copy of an old British design. It is graphite-moderated and cooled with gaseous carbon dioxide. Its core is composed of a large number of highly-purified graphite blocks. For example, each of the first two Magnox reactors at Windscale in the UK used 2,000 tons of graphite. Even if this purported Syrian reactor vessel were half the size of one of the original UK reactors, it would require roughly 1,000 tons of graphite. That's 14,400 cubic feet of highly-purified graphite. Would all official entities fail to notice the production and transfer of that amount of highly-refined graphite to Syria?
The voice-over on the CIA videotape asserts that the reactor in Syria was "nearly completed." If the plant were "nearly completed," those graphite blocks would have been substantially in place. Bombing and fire would have spread bits of carbon all over the site, or scattered whole blocks of graphite around the site. The "after" photos didn't seem to indicate that this happened.
If the reactor were substantially complete, neutron-absorbing boron-10 carbide (or possibly cadmium alloy) control rods would have been installed. Had those been burned or exploded in the bombing, those, too, would have left a chemical signature on the hills surrounding the site and in the prevailing winds. As far as I know, this hasn't been discussed.
Then, too, there is the matter of fuel rods. Syria is reported not to have uranium yellowcake stocks in appreciable quantities. (One particularly large phosphorite field, the Charkiet formation, is known to contain uranium, but the phosphate fertilizer plant built to process that ore was done by a Swedish company which would certainly alert the IAEA if there were non-compliant diversion. Moreover, Syria has cooperated with the IAEA in the past to develop its commercial uranium extraction processes, but those have not progressed, according to SIPRI.) There's no evidence presented that Syria has built fuel processing and fuel rod assembly facilities. That would suggest production elsewhere, and such production can be tracked. So, if it was almost complete, where are the fuel rods?- unpolloloco, on 04/27/2008, -9/+231) your link sucks. Here's the correct one: http://www.juancole.com/2008/04/more-on-syrian-rea ...
2) this article provides no sources either - and makes more dubious claims
CAN WE PLEASE GET AN ARTICLE WITH SOURCES?????- Kizilbash, on 04/27/2008, -11/+5Yet it doesn't bother you in the least that the people who claim they have proof that Syria has nuclear weapons don't come up with any evidence...
And wtf is with those ***** links. I test them and they work and then later they stop working.- unpolloloco, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1it bothers me that neither side can get one reliable source
- Kizilbash, on 04/27/2008, -11/+5Yet it doesn't bother you in the least that the people who claim they have proof that Syria has nuclear weapons don't come up with any evidence...
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/27/2008, -6/+7HaHa. Classic left-wing-conspiracy-wacko tactic - use one bogus article to source another bogus article. It amazes me that diggnation continues to fall for this juvenile tactic.
- PlagueOfMorons, on 04/27/2008, -6/+5Yes, it's totally unlike CAMERA, which Zionist ranters point to as valid unbiased sources all too often. Hahahah, who needs the Comedy Channel with you around?
- unpolloloco, on 04/27/2008, -9/+231) your link sucks. Here's the correct one: http://www.juancole.com/2008/04/more-on-syrian-rea ...
- Stevanoski, on 04/27/2008, -15/+13Burying your head in the sand does not mean that Syria, with N.Korea's help was pursuing ways to produce plutonium.
- Kizilbash, on 04/27/2008, -14/+11Then prove it. Just saying it and then repeating it does not prove it. We have heard the US government claim this about Iraq which turned out to be total crap and about Iran which has been debunked as well. This is total crap too.
- Stevanoski, on 04/27/2008, -15/+7Actually not looking like the crap you hoped it was as daily more and more evidence showing wmd were shipped from Iraq to your new bestest friends the Syrians. Whats the matter, afraid there aren't going to be enough terrorist to kill more Americans. Don't you fret your pointed little head, sure there will be more than enough to go around.
- moolaismyfriend, on 04/27/2008, -7/+11I call *****, since you are just spouting childish Fox News rhetoric.
- Stevanoski, on 04/27/2008, -8/+5yaaawwwnnn, blah blah blah, talking points dated and trite, blah blah blah. Why you so boringly predictable moo?
- moolaismyfriend, on 04/27/2008, -5/+1Hey you still have proved nothing more than you are white trash and hate our troops.
- Kizilbash, on 04/27/2008, -5/+8Haha, evidence he says. There is not a shred of evidence for that and nobody outside your shrinking and sinking club of neocons takes that ***** story seriously. You don't even take it seriously: if Syria had those Iraqi WMD's you dumbass, why would they have to develop their own? You can't have it both ways.
- Stevanoski, on 04/27/2008, -6/+4Why thank you kizi for your kind reply, you reflect well on those you call friends. You've seen all the posts and submissions showing the wmd's were moved. It was all over digg two weeks ago and I saw you post against every submission. I doubt Jesus himself could give you enough evidence to change your mind.
- moolaismyfriend, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2Wow so its proof cause you white trash Repugs say so.
Man, why do you guys hate our troops?
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4Quit regurgitating IDF talking points Stevanoski. This blog entry was made a by a former CIA officer covering the Middle East. Which country do you owe your loyalty to - the USA or Israel?
- Stevanoski, on 04/27/2008, -6/+4I proudly call my self a dual citizen. I am first loyal to the good old US of A, greatest country on G-d's green earth, then a close second is Israel. Love every inch of both countries. Is your hatred of little Israel perhaps blinding you to facts?
Got a web page I can see some of your art. Love art but you may consider me an opponent and thus not deserving. - moolaismyfriend, on 04/27/2008, -5/+1Why do you hate our troops?
- Stevanoski, on 04/27/2008, -6/+4I proudly call my self a dual citizen. I am first loyal to the good old US of A, greatest country on G-d's green earth, then a close second is Israel. Love every inch of both countries. Is your hatred of little Israel perhaps blinding you to facts?
- bjornski, on 04/27/2008, -4/+3You mean the WMD that Iraq had buried in the sand were shipped to Syria?
Let me guess. They're north, south, east and west of Damascus, right?
We've heard the NeoCon ***** lies before. I pity the morons that fall for them again.
- moolaismyfriend, on 04/27/2008, -7/+11I call *****, since you are just spouting childish Fox News rhetoric.
- Stevanoski, on 04/27/2008, -15/+7Actually not looking like the crap you hoped it was as daily more and more evidence showing wmd were shipped from Iraq to your new bestest friends the Syrians. Whats the matter, afraid there aren't going to be enough terrorist to kill more Americans. Don't you fret your pointed little head, sure there will be more than enough to go around.
- Hangly, on 04/27/2008, -1/+2Burying your head in the sand does not mean that Iraq, with Al Qaeda's help was pursuing ways to produce plutonium.
This is just like Mad Libs! - textrant, on 04/27/2008, -2/+1Noone has even proved that North Korea has a Nuke. The calculated yield of their 'nuclear test' was less that 1 kiloton (1 tenth the yield of the Hiroshima bomb). So either North Korea hasn't perfected Nuclear technology yet, or it was a hoax to improve their bargaining position with the US.
- Kizilbash, on 04/27/2008, -14/+11Then prove it. Just saying it and then repeating it does not prove it. We have heard the US government claim this about Iraq which turned out to be total crap and about Iran which has been debunked as well. This is total crap too.
- elliotys, on 04/27/2008, -14/+9Burried for old news. . .Everyone knows Iraq is followed by Syria, in the Neo-Con plot to take over the middle east.
- Pake, on 04/27/2008, -3/+4Pfft, everyone knows it goes Iran then Syria. Didn't you read the blogs a year ago? We were to have already invaded and nuked Iran!
- source1984, on 04/27/2008, -0/+0wrong... IRAN first. Syria relies on Iran, not the other way around.
- franklymister, on 04/27/2008, -17/+32Interesting to see how quickly people want to believe a single unsourced, unexplained paragraph in a blog, as long as it confirms their Israel = Evil worldview.
I always wonder about the motives of people so willing to ignore all the suffering that happens in the world, except for what they can find to blame on Israel.- Kizilbash, on 04/27/2008, -19/+12Interesting how people are still willing to believe the crap that the US and/or Israeli government spout, despite the fact there is no proof whatsoever and there are a lot of unanswered questions. The US government's credibility is way below zero and so is Israel's.
- franklymister, on 04/27/2008, -7/+12Whose credibility are you comparing it to? Iran? Hamas?
Please elaborate.- xerosawyer, on 04/27/2008, -4/+7No, Canada? Denmark? Finland? Germany? Japan? Netherlands? Norway? Sweden?
- franklymister, on 04/27/2008, -1/+6You're right. Canada has more credibility than Israel when it comes to problems with aggressive neighbors run by unstable governments that can't control terrorist organizations on their own soil, and who have expressed the desire to wipe them off the map.
I'm also impressed by Norway's ability to remain calm in the face of radical fundamentalists who keep trying to get nuclear weapons, and Denmark's stoic heroism in the face of constant rocket attacks on their civilians - not to mention the restraint Japan has shown as suicide bombers regularly blow up school buses full of their children.
Well, I'm off to go live in the utopian paradise of freedom and liberty that is Syria. Death to Israel! Toodle-o!
- franklymister, on 04/27/2008, -1/+6You're right. Canada has more credibility than Israel when it comes to problems with aggressive neighbors run by unstable governments that can't control terrorist organizations on their own soil, and who have expressed the desire to wipe them off the map.
- xerosawyer, on 04/27/2008, -4/+7No, Canada? Denmark? Finland? Germany? Japan? Netherlands? Norway? Sweden?
- franklymister, on 04/27/2008, -7/+12Whose credibility are you comparing it to? Iran? Hamas?
- Kizilbash, on 04/27/2008, -19/+12Interesting how people are still willing to believe the crap that the US and/or Israeli government spout, despite the fact there is no proof whatsoever and there are a lot of unanswered questions. The US government's credibility is way below zero and so is Israel's.
- EnigmaOX, on 04/27/2008, -14/+8if there was anything nuke in that building .. israel won't bomb it because this may spread radiation and also that building was to small to be anything more than a research facility.
- fandyboy, on 04/27/2008, -6/+10And you would know would you? Being an expert on nuclear technology and all..
- EnigmaOX, on 04/27/2008, -3/+6Not the expert but that's the scenario that I heard about it if US hit the Iranian nuclear facilities :) radiation can hit the water resources in the area
- NSResponder, on 04/27/2008, -7/+10When Israel blew up Saddam's reactor at Ossirak, they did so before it contained any fuel. Looks to me like the same thing happened in this case.
-jcr- EnigmaOX, on 04/27/2008, -5/+6No Saddam's nuclear program was not secret at all ,, saddam reported everything about the nuclear program. No country can run nuclear program in a secret ,,
- fandyboy, on 04/27/2008, -6/+10And you would know would you? Being an expert on nuclear technology and all..
- noahsawyer, on 04/27/2008, -12/+6http://digg.com/world_news/Syria_Was_Building_a_Re ...
- richmomz, on 04/27/2008, -13/+7I'm shocked. Totally.
- colincornaby, on 04/27/2008, -15/+16As much as I would like to Digg, no proof = buried.
- fandyboy, on 04/27/2008, -16/+23A ridiculously biased article that references zero sources, looks like this Philip Giraldi needs to go back to journalism school..
- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4here's what the International Atomic Energy Agency says:
(english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E007835C-444C-47E4-AB72-3FBF4641384C.htm).. in case Digg cuts link. And furthermore:
"Vincent Cannistraro, Director of Intelligence Programs for the National Security Council under President Ronald Reagan and Chief of Operations at the Central Intelligence Agency's Counterterrorism Center under President George H. W. Bush, is saying that what the Israelis hit was "absolutely not a nuclear weapons facility."
(rawstory.com//news/2007/Intelligence_officials_say_Israel_received_flawed_0924.html)- fandyboy, on 04/28/2008, -2/+1OK firstly, the IAEA just said they were pissed off with unilateral action taken, nothing else, they haven't said that the allegations are false, secondly, there is no doubt that the reactor that was being built was not a "nuclear weapons facility" in the literal meaning, it was a uranium reactor, that is it could be part of the long process of manufacturing weapons grade material.
- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4here's what the International Atomic Energy Agency says:
- Picaroon, on 04/27/2008, -7/+11The few people in US intelligence circles who were actually allowed to review the evidence provided by the Israelis regarding the alleged Syrian nuclear facility have called it “startling and certainly true.” Perhaps the mainstream media should note the plausibility of the tale being spun given the great ability of Syria to support many nuclear programs. They should challenge the White House to make its case in open hearings in which critics are allowed to be present and speak, including a representative of the Syrian government, so that the falsity of their claims will be out in the open. Fat chance, someone said.
See what I did there? - nastronomical, on 04/27/2008, -12/+25Wait so a Blog that is anti-israeli and has no proof is to be believd?
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -8/+6Buried for inaccuracy. Philip Giraldi is a former high-ranking CIA Officer who covered the middle east region. He has extensive contacts there and is frequently relied upon as a media source through which anonymous intelligence community leaks can be made.
- txchica, on 04/28/2008, -0/+3Can you really trust those anonymous leaks?
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -8/+6Buried for inaccuracy. Philip Giraldi is a former high-ranking CIA Officer who covered the middle east region. He has extensive contacts there and is frequently relied upon as a media source through which anonymous intelligence community leaks can be made.
- fadeout, on 04/27/2008, -11/+17You people don't see the logical fallacy of expecting Israel to "prove it" with intelligence that might compromise their informants but you don't expect the same out of governments that do shelter terrorists (Hamas, Egyptian Brotherhood)?
- NSResponder, on 04/27/2008, -7/+7AFAIK, Israel has made no public claims about the nature of the facility they blew up, so they have nothing to prove. What we do know, is that a building was destroyed, and Syria is being extremely tight-lipped about it.
-jcr - neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -12/+5Israel' s government shelters terrorists. They're called the IOF for one, and there are some famous ones as well.
- NSResponder, on 04/27/2008, -7/+7AFAIK, Israel has made no public claims about the nature of the facility they blew up, so they have nothing to prove. What we do know, is that a building was destroyed, and Syria is being extremely tight-lipped about it.
- Ramble, on 04/27/2008, -8/+20Amazing. They claim falsehood of evidence and then don't provide any.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4Philip Giraldi is a former high-ranking CIA Officer who covered the middle east region. He has extensive contacts there and is frequently relied upon as a media source through which anonymous intelligence community leaks can be made.
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5So you're suggesting CIA officers are truth tellers?
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -4/+3More so than you Megaphone shills. That is for sure!
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/27/2008, -1/+5So you're suggesting CIA officers are truth tellers?
- bjornski, on 04/27/2008, -5/+4And funny. Israel claims proof of evidence without showing any either.
- Hangly, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4Where's the evidence supporting Israel's claim? You don't need evidence to prove a negative, you only need to point out that the other side hasn't made its case.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -8/+4Philip Giraldi is a former high-ranking CIA Officer who covered the middle east region. He has extensive contacts there and is frequently relied upon as a media source through which anonymous intelligence community leaks can be made.
- xerosawyer, on 04/27/2008, -4/+6*shock*
- Mohdoo, on 04/27/2008, -7/+5Which is a perfect reason for the US to support Israel! ha ha ha. -_-
- laserblazer, on 04/27/2008, -10/+10Reality has a strong anti-Israeli government bias.
- pukiman, on 04/27/2008, -6/+14Never before I dug one paragraphed article with no sources to prove its claiming, and I certainly not going to start doing so now. Buried as inaccurate.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -10/+4Philip Giraldi is a former high-ranking CIA Officer who covered the middle east region. He has extensive contacts there and is frequently relied upon as a media source through which anonymous intelligence community leaks can be made.
- whodat807, on 04/27/2008, -1/+4boy you sure like repeating yourself.
listen: I don't care who Philip Giraldi is. You can't make a claim that serious and back it up with no evidence.
- whodat807, on 04/27/2008, -1/+4boy you sure like repeating yourself.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -10/+4Philip Giraldi is a former high-ranking CIA Officer who covered the middle east region. He has extensive contacts there and is frequently relied upon as a media source through which anonymous intelligence community leaks can be made.
- WTFppl, on 04/27/2008, -9/+13Bury for inaccuracy, no sources, just straight up BS!
Someone hack those ***** website!- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -6/+4here's what the International Atomic Energy Agency says:
(english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E007835C-444C-47E4-AB72-3FBF4641384C.htm).. in case Digg cuts link. And furthermore:
"Vincent Cannistraro, Director of Intelligence Programs for the National Security Council under President Ronald Reagan and Chief of Operations at the Central Intelligence Agency's Counterterrorism Center under President George H. W. Bush, is saying that what the Israelis hit was "absolutely not a nuclear weapons facility."
(rawstory.com//news/2007/Intelligence_officials_say_Israel_received_flawed_0924.html)
- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -6/+4here's what the International Atomic Energy Agency says:
- lithium013, on 04/27/2008, -9/+10Israel is a forum troll
- HappyScrappy, on 04/27/2008, -6/+12One paragraph of unsupported hooey?
I'm ready to believe our government is lying to us, but you gotta give some evidence when the allegations are this serious.- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -7/+5Philip Giraldi is a former high-ranking CIA Officer who covered the middle east region. He has extensive contacts there and is frequently relied upon as a media source through which anonymous intelligence community leaks can be made.
- HappyScrappy, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4Anonymous intelligence info is what got us into the Iraq war. I prefer to see better than that.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -4/+2That was NOT anonymous intelligence. It was bogus intelligence provided by the Mossad to Doug Feith's Office of Special Plans. Feith circumvented the normal vetting process for this intelligence. Feith's father was also a founding member of Israel's Likud party. Feith's law firm is closely associated with Israel's setller movement and he has served as a lawyer to the settlers and in the Israeli government.
- HappyScrappy, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1I was more thinking of Curveball, but whatever.
Either way, I'm for sourced intelligence, vetted intelligence. This post isn't that.
- HappyScrappy, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1I was more thinking of Curveball, but whatever.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -4/+2That was NOT anonymous intelligence. It was bogus intelligence provided by the Mossad to Doug Feith's Office of Special Plans. Feith circumvented the normal vetting process for this intelligence. Feith's father was also a founding member of Israel's Likud party. Feith's law firm is closely associated with Israel's setller movement and he has served as a lawyer to the settlers and in the Israeli government.
- HappyScrappy, on 04/27/2008, -2/+4Anonymous intelligence info is what got us into the Iraq war. I prefer to see better than that.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -7/+5Philip Giraldi is a former high-ranking CIA Officer who covered the middle east region. He has extensive contacts there and is frequently relied upon as a media source through which anonymous intelligence community leaks can be made.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -15/+9The blogger is a high-ranking former CIA officer who used to cover the middle East. That is why his credibility is so strong.
- nastronomical, on 04/27/2008, -8/+9proof?
- glensvodka, on 04/27/2008, -9/+6Not that Wikipedia really counts as proof, but here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giraldi
Do your own Googling.- JohnReb, on 04/27/2008, -2/+7I googled him, other than the Wikipedia article, which is worthless as evidence, there is no proof of his being an ex-CIA agent with any ties to the Middle-East except his own claims.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/28/2008, -6/+2nonsense. There are extensive interviews on huffington Poist, American Conservative, Antiwar.com, MSNBC that cite him as a former high-ranking CIA officer closely tied to Vincent Cannistraro. You Megaphone/Nizko/CAMERA/SimonWiesenthal shills are really getting desperate here.
- JohnReb, on 04/28/2008, -1/+6From his HuffingtonPost bio:
"Phil is a former CIA counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer who served eighteen years overseas in Turkey, Italy, Germany, and Spain. He was Chief of Base in Barcelona from 1989 to 1992 designated as the Agency’s senior officer for Olympic Games support. "
Turkey isn't the Middle East nor are any of the other sites. And he is so highly regarded a CIA asset they put him in charge of "Olympic Games support". I'm simply awestruck.
- JohnReb, on 04/27/2008, -2/+7I googled him, other than the Wikipedia article, which is worthless as evidence, there is no proof of his being an ex-CIA agent with any ties to the Middle-East except his own claims.
- glensvodka, on 04/27/2008, -9/+6Not that Wikipedia really counts as proof, but here ya go:
- yojiffyskippy, on 04/27/2008, -1/+7That's more of a reason to discredit him. Since when does being an ex-CIA officer give you credibility and since when does being used as a "media source" give you credibility?
- nastronomical, on 04/27/2008, -8/+9proof?
- madroneDorf, on 04/27/2008, -6/+6Personally I wouldn't be surprised if Syria (and Iran) are developing Nukes - wouldn't you? Neighbor Iraq gets attacked, known that Syria (and Iran) were on a hitlist to be taken out. I'd develop Nukes as soon as possible if I was Syria or Iran, especially since now is the perfect time, because you have so much plausible deniability since the legitimacy and reliablity of US intelligence is widedly derided around the world.
- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -7/+5But Israel has nukes right now, and those worry me. They considered using them during the '06 Lebanon war they lost, which is the closest anyone has come since the 60's. The Likud and Shas parties are outright insane fanatics, and they could have influence. Would you like to start a petition with me to imprison the Shas and Likud parties?
- neko6, on 04/27/2008, -3/+5"Israel has nukes right now" - proof?
"They considered using them during the '06 Lebanon war" - You are laughable, neocon. What good is nukes against a terrorist organization?
"The Likud and Shas parties are outright insane fanatics," - proof?- neocognitism, on 04/28/2008, -4/+3Wow, if you're still fighting the PR battle that Israel doesn't have nukes, you need to go play bridge with your grandparents.
It was documented, and since it was an insane act I agree with you it makes no sense.
Proof? That's an opinion, which most Israelis agree with. - neko6, on 04/28/2008, -1/+21. I never said Israel does or doesn't have nukes, how would I know? You're the one who claims they do, so prove it.
2. "It was documented" - by you? You visited secret Israeli high command meetings? Are you actually a general in the Israeli armed forces, or perhaps an Israeli government member?
3. I agree Shas is insane, but they are insane on Jewish matters, they don't care about secular issues such as war/peace etc. Likud is a relatively moderate party, while some Israeli parties agree to concede 95-100%, they only tend to concede more like 85-90%. Since the Palestinians refuse to concede anything, the policy difference is meaningless.
- neocognitism, on 04/28/2008, -4/+3Wow, if you're still fighting the PR battle that Israel doesn't have nukes, you need to go play bridge with your grandparents.
- neko6, on 04/27/2008, -3/+5"Israel has nukes right now" - proof?
- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -7/+5But Israel has nukes right now, and those worry me. They considered using them during the '06 Lebanon war they lost, which is the closest anyone has come since the 60's. The Likud and Shas parties are outright insane fanatics, and they could have influence. Would you like to start a petition with me to imprison the Shas and Likud parties?
- internettrash, on 04/27/2008, -8/+12How quickly people forget that Israel unilaterally stopped Iraq and Saddam Hussein from developing the nuclear bomb in the 80s. The covert operation yielded strong international outcry until the truth finally came to light and the decisive action on the part of the Israelis was loudly praised.
- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -10/+2Too bad that's not the case here.
- txchica, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2We don't know that as a "fact", it's just speculation at this point.
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2North Korea says it is:
http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2008/04/israeli_ ...
- neocognitism, on 04/27/2008, -10/+2Too bad that's not the case here.
- onetimer, on 04/27/2008, -12/+18another anti-israeli ***** article that doesn't provide a shred of proof. It's funny though, so many willing to condemn the US and israel for not providing airtight proof are the same users who unquestionably accept any criticism of israel without any proof either.
Hypocrites. Buried.- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -7/+4Sorry onetimer but were you a former CIA officer specializing in the mideast region with extensive intelligence community contacts there - no? Well Philip Giraldi is.
- onetimer, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5Yes, so THAT'S why he doesn't need to cite ANY of his claims. Right.
Stephen hawking is considered an authority in astro-physics. Do I believe some of his wildly outrageous theories that have no evidence? No, and neither does the majority of the scientific community.
Your argument needs less fallacy.
- onetimer, on 04/27/2008, -2/+5Yes, so THAT'S why he doesn't need to cite ANY of his claims. Right.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -7/+4Sorry onetimer but were you a former CIA officer specializing in the mideast region with extensive intelligence community contacts there - no? Well Philip Giraldi is.
- TimeLincoln, on 04/27/2008, -14/+6Wow...if the jews acted this way in Germany I see why the holocaust happened.
- grantilius, on 04/27/2008, -5/+4TimeLincoln, i will pray everyday that there is in fact a hell, so that you may burn in it.
- bjornski, on 04/27/2008, -6/+4It's why they've been ejected from every country they've settled since their history was written.
- textrant, on 04/27/2008, -3/+5Okay...One hopes more than presumes that you were being sarcastic. Even the most anti-Israel (not anti-semitic, huge difference) person wouldn't agree with you on that. I'm afraid you are alone with Hitler, Iran and Liverpool fans on that one.
- Bovorik, on 04/27/2008, -7/+8The guy served as Crazy Ron Paul's foreign policy adviser during the primaries - 'nuff said.
- jgtg32a, on 04/27/2008, -4/+1So he's a nut job but is correct in what he says.
- Siegfriedson, on 04/27/2008, -4/+5http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle ...
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Seymour_Hersh_report ... - positron, on 04/27/2008, -5/+6Organic fertilizer ever was Israel's greatest export.
- 911ArtStudent, on 04/27/2008, -9/+3Here is a link to an mp3 interview of Philip Giraldi. He is a former high-ranking CIA Officer who covered the middle east region. He has extensive contacts there and is frequently relied upon as a media source through which anonymous intelligence community leaks can be made.
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Scott_Horton_Int ... - grantilius, on 04/27/2008, -7/+10try blaming the world problems on someone else for a change. The Jews have had to deal with this ***** for long enough. There are 20 million Jews in this world, they cant seriously be the root of all evil, as much as you want them to be. Why do we ignore the fact that Iran exicutes people for being gay, or that in the muslim world women are still second class citizens who can be gang-raped, and then thrown in jail or executed for having sex out of wedlock? yeah, because thosssse aren't human rights violations, not unless Israel did it.
The entire region surrounding Israel is calling for their complete and total annihilation. how are they supposed to open up their boarders and negotiate with the Palestinians when Hammas and everyone else wants them destroyed? Keep in mind, Israel has never outright and offically called for death to all Palestinians and Muslims, the same cannot be said the other way around. Yes they take an exessively military approach to things, how else are they going to survive? You all blame the US and Israel, rightfully so at times, but why the complete ignorance or avoidance of the gross human rights violations built into the culture and society of other middle eastern countries? Im not saying Israel is free of sin or fault with the Palestinians, but if Israel pulled only half the ***** and spewed half the hate that Iran, Syria, Egypt, and other middle eastern nations do, then you would be all over Israels case (oh wait, you already are.) Israel is not perfect, but ideally it wants to be a free and democratic society that is not bothered by others and has the right like any other nation to exist. (and you cannot argue with that). The excessive military force and problems it creates are more in defense and in reaction to call for destruction against it, then from cultural or social norms (which is unlike many of the Muslim countries)- Hangly, on 04/27/2008, -5/+2The nation state of Israel is not "the Jews."
- neko6, on 04/27/2008, -0/+6"and has the right like any other nation to exist.(and you cannot argue with that)." - apparently, they can and will...
- breakerjump, on 04/27/2008, -7/+15Wow. Digg has now fully devolved into complete demagoguery, bias, and hypocrisy. The vast majority of political/military stories I've seen linked on digg in the past weeks have been un-sourced, speculative nonsense. There's even the article about the military "industrial complex" bankrupting America, when the fact is the Iraq war is costing us exactly 0.91% of GDP, while WWII cost us 35% of GDP.
This ***** gets really old, guys.- grantilius, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5yeah, some direct quotes from the trustee report from the government website on social security-
"Medicare's annual costs were 3.2 percent of GDP in 2007" and of course, "The annual cost of Social Security benefits represented 4.3 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in 2007 and is projected to increase to 6.1 percent of GDP in 2035"
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/trsummary.html (and no this is not from an un-sourced neocon website, so as much as thats your favorite argument of all time, save it) - VitriolAndAngst, on 04/28/2008, -4/+2Well, is is also what you would expect if the government was lead by criminals who were controlled by the military as well. If we hear nothing but bad news for instance, about Bush -- it could be that he is bad news.
The military industrial complex is not bankrupting America, if you think we can piss away a few trillion every other year.- breakerjump, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2You're not understanding me. I'm not making anything up. These numbers aren't my own brainchild - they're facts. 0.91% GDP on Iraq. Add that to the general DoD budget and you still get less than 4 or 5% of GDP.
While I do hold the opinion that there are things that are "wrong" with America and the government at large, it's really not that ***** bad, and this article is one more symptom of a disease of *****, self-loathing, blind America-hating. It's either environment-this or military-industrial-complex that. George Bush is a criminal, or George Bush is an idiot. Neo-cons-this, or never-shut-the-*****-up-about-Obama that. Like I said, this ***** is getting really, really old. You people can bitch and moan from behind your computer all you want about the state of the economy (which is damn good, at least in the IT sector - people are paying my studio money hand-over-fist and I've got contracts through mid-year 2009) or scream like little children about the sky falling in because we pollute the environment. But here in adult-land, we recognize there ARE problems, and there are SOLUTIONS to the problems, that do not involve wind farms, Bush-bashing, corporation-hating, class-envy, government welfare expansions, or any other sacrament of the church of liberalism/environmentalism.
Get over yourself.
- breakerjump, on 04/28/2008, -0/+2You're not understanding me. I'm not making anything up. These numbers aren't my own brainchild - they're facts. 0.91% GDP on Iraq. Add that to the general DoD budget and you still get less than 4 or 5% of GDP.
- grantilius, on 04/27/2008, -0/+5yeah, some direct quotes from the trustee report from the government website on social security-
- BriVaps, on 04/27/2008, -5/+9Syria probably was developing nukes
they have lots of chemical and biological weapons to drop on Isreal also- textrant, on 04/27/2008, -4/+3So its okay for Israel to have Nukes, but not for Syria to have WMD's? As long as they are our good buddies its okay...you wonder why so many people hate the West.
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Israel has nukes and doesn't use them. Syria develops nukes AND openly state they will AGAIN try to genocide the Jews in Israel.
Let Syria say "We will never attack Israel again" and sign a peace treaty, and they will be able to produce nukes as well as enjoy commercial trade with Israel and the US.
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -0/+1Israel has nukes and doesn't use them. Syria develops nukes AND openly state they will AGAIN try to genocide the Jews in Israel.
- ad33lshahid, on 04/27/2008, -5/+3kinda like iraq had biological and chemical weapons taht were going to show up in america as dirty bombs right??? your kind never fails to amuse me. its like you make the same mistake a thousand times and fail to learn from it over and over and over again. until the reality and gravity of war comes knocking at your door, you will fail to think twice before claiming things like this. how do you know? are you privy to information the rest of us arent? Stop being such a coward and just crying wolf for every country that isnt doing ***** to you but happens to have people that are middle eastern in it. i hope people like you get what you deserve.
- textrant, on 04/27/2008, -4/+3So its okay for Israel to have Nukes, but not for Syria to have WMD's? As long as they are our good buddies its okay...you wonder why so many people hate the West.
- Idiggapony, on 04/27/2008, -3/+8It's amazing that something so utterly free of any content whatsoever could make it to the top of the front page, just because it's anti-Israel. Neocognitism, is 911ArtStudent your only sock puppet account, or do you have others too?
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -1/+4Neocon is always the first to respond to any Israeli related article, immediately with +60 or so... Then the rest of his BS gets -20 in a few minutes.
Coincidence?
- neko6, on 04/28/2008, -1/+4Neocon is always the first to respond to any Israeli related article, immediately with +60 or so... Then the rest of his BS gets -20 in a few minutes.
- jab9990, on 04/27/2008, -2/+6Another self styled "conservative" spreading unsubstantiated crap to support his agenda. What a shock.
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