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news.bbc.co.uk — Israel has said it will not allow a UN official appointed to investigate Israeli human rights abuses to enter the country or Palestinian territories.
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- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -72/+197This is the behavior of a country that claims it respects human rights?
Hmm, wasn't there some other country that refused UN inspectors, which we and Israel condemned?- ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -13/+35Not really. They let them in but they were condemned for not doing so anyway. Unless you're talking about a country other than Iran or Iraq?
- sn4ke666, on 04/10/2008, -21/+14Falk was unprofessional in his remarks. Israel's calls for an unbiased investigation is justified. I will be shocked if this community denies the fact that transgressions have occurred on both sides.
- dinostabOMG, on 04/10/2008, -6/+20I don't think anyone will deny that, but the fact is that the transgressions exist much more predominantly on the side of the Israeli government and right-wing groups. Statements like yours tend to build the case for equivocation between wrongdoing on both sides; in reality, they do not even remotely compare. The number and gravity of actions committed by Israel against Palestinians is far worse than the still abominable, yet RELATIVELY mild actions of Palestinian resistance groups.
Put it this way, if you make a suicide bomber look relatively mild, you have no complaint when the UN human rights investigator calls you on it. - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -9/+16Israel voted against the Human Rights Council from the start, as one of two relevant nations. They're against any kind of international scrutiny of their crimes, and always have been.
- Farnn, on 04/10/2008, -3/+6Do you realize that two of the nations on the Human Rights Council are China and Saudi Arabia? The Human Rights Council can't be taken seriously until it doesn't have members from countries where human rights abuses are abundant.
- neocognitism, on 04/11/2008, -2/+1Then it's a good thing Israel and the US isn't on the council either.
Luckily this Jew who Israel won't admit isn't beholden to China or Saudi Arabia. There goes that worry, phew!
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -6/+16You're not going to find a humanitarian group that is unbiased against Israel.
That would be like finding a Peta member in a slaughterhouse.
- dinostabOMG, on 04/10/2008, -6/+20I don't think anyone will deny that, but the fact is that the transgressions exist much more predominantly on the side of the Israeli government and right-wing groups. Statements like yours tend to build the case for equivocation between wrongdoing on both sides; in reality, they do not even remotely compare. The number and gravity of actions committed by Israel against Palestinians is far worse than the still abominable, yet RELATIVELY mild actions of Palestinian resistance groups.
- ubuwalker31, on 04/10/2008, -14/+10Falk is far from being an objective professional:
-In a July 2007 essay, "Slouching Toward a Palestinian Holocaust," Falk likened Israelis to Nazis.
-Falk signed the www.911Truth.org petition alleging that "people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war." He also wrote the foreword to a 9/11 conspiracy-theory book.
-He has said that we shoud “not sit too quickly in judgment of Ayatollah Khomeini for his evident refusal to shape Iranian policy by reference to the law on the books.”
-He has also said that the “[T]he Soviet role in the Third World has, up to this point, been less widely detrimental to the pursuit of human rights than has the American role.”
Lets put some context to this debate:
His appointment takes place as the UN prepares for the Durban II World Conference Against Racism. Durban II's Planning Committee chairperson is Libya's Qaddafi and its vice chairperson is Iran's Ahmadinejad. That's right, the Conference Against Racism is being planned by a genocidal Muslim supremacist who called for the Jewish State to be "wiped off the map." If you remember, the first Durban Conference was a hate-fest against Israel, and Durban II's stated goal is to "further the Durban I Declaration," which essentially charged only Israel with racism.
Can you understand now why Israel wants nothing to do with this idiot and the so called UN Human Rights Committee? Because its a joke and a travesty, thats why.- SpudgeBoy, on 04/10/2008, -2/+7Just because you put "wiped off the map" in quotes, doesn't mean that is what he said. You are putting quotes around a mis-quote. What he said was that the current regime in Israel needs to be removed, much the same way most people on the planet want the Bush administration removed. Does that mena most people on the planet want the US "wiped off the map?" Nope, it sure doesn't.
- ubuwalker31, on 04/10/2008, -5/+3Except that when people say that they want to "destroy Israel" or "wipe out Israel" or whatever, they say that with the historical knowledge that others have attempted to systematically kill Jews in Pograms and the Holocaust. It is akin to calling black people "negroes" or "n*ggers" or "monkeys" and then saying they should be lynched and then wondering why people are offended. Its all about context. And intent. If Arabs nations had the opportunity, they would try to kill every single Jew in Israel. They tried before during the Yom Kippur war, and they try every time they send a rocket into a civilian area or school.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -3/+3You need to speak with a therapist about your delusions of persecution and paranoia.
- SpudgeBoy, on 04/10/2008, -2/+7Just because you put "wiped off the map" in quotes, doesn't mean that is what he said. You are putting quotes around a mis-quote. What he said was that the current regime in Israel needs to be removed, much the same way most people on the planet want the Bush administration removed. Does that mena most people on the planet want the US "wiped off the map?" Nope, it sure doesn't.
- sn4ke666, on 04/10/2008, -21/+14Falk was unprofessional in his remarks. Israel's calls for an unbiased investigation is justified. I will be shocked if this community denies the fact that transgressions have occurred on both sides.
- oldhick, on 04/10/2008, -40/+30Uh, in case you missed their point... The UN officials have already made up their minds and compared the Israelis to Nazis. Typically, when you are asking permission to enter a country to do research, it really behooves you not to piss them off or formulate your conclusion before you get started. Also, calling those of jewish faith Nazi's qualifies as really pissing them off.
Who would let a group in that behaved that way? Be it Israel, Iran, Iraq, or North Korea, when the UN behaves like this you have every right to refuse their requests.- ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -17/+26Resolution 42: The Palestine Question (5 March 1948) Requests recommendations for the Palestine Commission
Resolution 43: The Palestine Question (1 Apr 1948) Recognizes "increasing violence and disorder in Palestine" and requests that representatives of "the Jewish Agency for Palestine and the Arab Higher Committee" arrange, with the Security Council, "a truce between the Arab and Jewish Communities of Palestine...Calls upon Arab and Jewish armed groups in Palestine to cease acts of violence immediately."
Resolution 44: The Palestine Question (1 Apr 1948) Requests convocation of special session of the General Assembly
Resolution 46: The Palestine Question (17 Apr 1948) As the United Kingdom is the Mandatory Power, "it is responsible for the maintenance of peace and order in Palestine." The Resolutions also "Calls upon all persons and organizations in Palestine" to stop importing "armed bands and fighting personnel...whatever their origin;...weapons and war materials;...Refrain, pending the future government of Palestine...from any political activity which might prejudice the rights, claims, or position of either community;...refrain from any action which will endager the safety of the Holy Places in Palestine."
Resolution 48: The Palestine Question (23 Apr 1948)
Resolution 49: The Palestine Question (22 May 1948)
Resolution 50: The Palestine Question (29 May 1948)
Resolution 53: The Palestine Question (7 Jul 1948)
Resolution 54: The Palestine Question (15 Jul 1948)
Resolution 56: The Palestine Question (19 Aug 1948)
Resolution 57: The Palestine Question (18 Sep 1948)
Resolution 59: The Palestine Question (19 Oct 1948)
Resolution 60: The Palestine Question (29 Oct 1948)
Resolution 61: The Palestine Question (4 Nov 1948)
Resolution 62: The Palestine Question (16 Nov 1948)
Resolution 66: The Palestine Question (29 Dec 1948)
Resolution 72: The Palestine Question (11 Aug 1949)
Resolution 73: The Palestine Question (11 Aug 1949)
Resolution 89 (17 November 1950): regarding Armistice in 1948 Arab-Israeli War and "transfer of persons".
Resolution 92: The Palestine Question (8 May 1951)
Resolution 93: The Palestine Question (18 May 1951)
Resolution 95: The Palestine Question (1 Sep 1951)
Resolution 100: The Palestine Question (27 Oct 1953)
Resolution 101: The Palestine Question (24 Nov 1953)
Resolution 106: The Palestine Question (29 Mar 1955) 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid.
Resolution 107: The Palestine Question (30 Mar)
Resolution 108: The Palestine Question (8 Sep)
Resolution 111: " ... 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
Resolution 127: " ... 'recommends' Israel suspends its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
Resolution 162: " ... 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
Resolution 171: " ... determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
Resolution 228: " ... 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
Resolution 237: " ... 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967): Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area. Calls on Israel's neighbors to end the state of belligerency and calls upon Israel to reciprocate by withdraw its forces from land claimed by other parties in 1967 war. Interpreted commonly today as calling for the Land for peace principle as a way to resolve Arab-Israeli conflict
Resolution 248: " ... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
Resolution 250: " ... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
Resolution 251: " ... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
Resolution 252: " ... 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
Resolution 256: " ... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
Resolution 259: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
Resolution 262: " ... 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
Resolution 265: " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
Resolution 267: " ... 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
Resolution 270: " ... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
Resolution 271: " ... 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
Resolution 279: " ... 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
Resolution 280: " ... 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
Resolution 285: " ... 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
Resolution 298: " ... 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
Resolution 313: " ... 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
Resolution 316: " ... 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
Resolution 317: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
Resolution 332: " ... 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
Resolution 337: " ... 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
Resolution 338 (22 October 1973): cease fire in Yom Kippur War
Resolution 339 (23 October 1973): Confirms Res. 338, dispatch UN observers.
Resolution 347: " ... 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
Resolution 425 (1978): 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon". Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon was completed as of 16 June 2000.
Resolution 350 (31 May 1974) established the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force, to monitor the ceasefire between Israel and Syria in the wake of the Yom Kippur War.
Resolution 427: " ... 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
Resolution 444: " ... 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
Resolution 446 (1979): 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
Resolution 450: " ... 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
Resolution 452: " ... 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
Resolution 465: " ... 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
Resolution 467: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
Resolution 468: " ... 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
Resolution 469: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians".
Resolution 471: " ... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
Resolution 476: " ... 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
Resolution 478 (20 August 1980): 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'.
Resolution 484: " ... 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors".
Resolution 487: " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility".
Resolution 497 (17 December 1981) decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.
Resolution 498: " ... 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
Resolution 501: " ... 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
Resolution 508:
Resolution 509: " ... 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
Resolution 515: " ... 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in".
Resolution 517: " ... 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
Resolution 518: " ... 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
Resolution 520: " ... 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
Resolution 573: " ... 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
Resolution 587 " ... 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
Resolution 592: " ... 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
Resolution 605: " ... 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.
Resolution 607: " ... 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Resolution 608: " ... 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
Resolution 636: " ... 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
Resolution 641: " ... 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 672: " ... 'condemns' Israel for "violence against Palestinians" at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
Resolution 673: " ... 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
Resolution 681: " ... 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 694: " ... 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
Resolution 726: " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
Resolution 1559 (2 September 2004) called upon Lebanon to establish its sovereignty over all of its land and called upon Syria to end their military presence in Lebanon by withdrawing its forces and to cease intervening in internal Lebanese politics. The resolution also called on all Lebanese militias to disband.
Resolution 1583 (28 January 2005) calls on Lebanon to assert full control over its border with Israel. It also states that "the Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for the purpose of confirming Israel's withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425.
Resolution 1648 (21 December 2005) renewed the mandate of United Nations Disengagement Observer Force until 30 June 2006.
Resolution 1701 (11 August 2006) called for the full cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah.- oldhick, on 04/10/2008, -26/+11And that is relevant to my comment in what way?
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -14/+38"when the UN behaves like this you have every right to refuse their requests."
And when governments segregate people and commit crimes against humanity, the UN tries to do something about it. Israel keeps getting equated to Nazis because they behave like Nazis. - oldhick, on 04/10/2008, -24/+10I'm not going to argue with you about their behavior. My comment was simply pointing out that I don't feel any country should feel obligated to respond to the UN when the UN resorts to name calling. If people act respectably then I'll support them. But name calling and comparing jewish people to Nazi's is just childish.
- crichton101, on 04/10/2008, -10/+22No, a teenager calling their strict parents fascists is childish. Equating your boss at your job to Hitler or Satan is childish. Comparing someone who is committing atrocities to someone else who committed similar atrocities is called being realistic.
- oldhick, on 04/10/2008, -22/+12Cool, if you guys think name calling and comparing Jews to Nazi's is going to help and lead the way towards a positive change in the world, then go for it. I just think a constructive dialog would be more beneficial, but clearly I'm in the minority. Commence the name calling!!!
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -10/+29Quit saying Jews. We're talking about Israel, not Jews. I'm a Jew and I condemn Israel and I certainly don't recognize it as my "mother land", which is a racist concept.
- czman, on 04/10/2008, -11/+4"Quit saying Jews. We're talking about Israel, not Jews."
that's precisely why you should be a zionist. most of the people of the world can not and will not make that distinction. the nazi's didn't care if the jews they killed were zionist or not, nor does the muslim terrorists, nor do the people on digg. - ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -8/+11Zionists are the scum of the earth. Zionism is a racist nationalist doctrine based on supremacy.
- jabberwolf, on 04/10/2008, -11/+4"And when governments segregate people and commit crimes against humanity, the UN tries to do something about it. Israel keeps getting equated to Nazis because they behave like Nazis."
AND WHEN THE PEOPLE HAVE ATTACKED ISRAEL FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS AND ISRAEL GIVES THEM GAZA AND DRAGS THEIR OWN PEOPLE OUT FOR THE PALESTINEANS.... AND THE PALESTINEANS DO NOT FOLLOW ONE ***** RESOLUTION....
AND YOU CALL ISRAEL NAZIS? ***** TARD! - MWeather, on 04/10/2008, -1/+6@czman
The terrorists do seem to focus on Israeli jews. There's thousands of Jewish communities worldwide with WAY less security that don't seem to be messed with much, if at all. The fact that there are even non-Israeli Jews living in Palestine is testament to this.
This is why they refer to the 'zionist regime', and not 'the jews'. - ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -1/+10Lol give them Gaza. It's not like they actually owned it.
- czman, on 04/10/2008, -5/+2Mweather: History has prooved that wrong, Time and Time again.
EIAssoWipo: zionism is a movment that calls for the jews to have the right of self determanation. plain and simple. it came to existance since the world has confused religion as a race - time and time again. it's not a question of supremacy at all (one could argue that the jewish religion does have supramecy in it's core - but... most zionists don't believe in that crap anyway). - crichton101, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1@Jabberwolf - I can't overly blame them for not exactly opening their arms to the creation of Israel considering that it was their land before hand and it was taken from them AFTER WW2 and given to some else. Both entities consider those areas to be holy lands. Israel only exists because the UN created it and we arm them.
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -0/+3Wrong. Zionism is based on the principle of the promised land.
All democracies on this planet allow jews self-determination, a ridiculous concept that serves no purpose.
Zionism is not about human rights, it's about jewish supremacy based on religious doctrine and extremely false history. - oldhick, on 04/11/2008, -3/+1@crichton101 - you're very wrong about the history of Israel. The jewish people began living in what is now Israel as early as the 1800s. In the early 1900s the jewish settlers had transformed a once desolate desert into a thriving area do to agricultural investments. The Balfour Declaration of 1917 by the British government created the jewish homeland. In 1922 the League of Nations endorsed the Balfour Declaration. If you'd like to better understand the situation and Zionism, wiki is always a decent start... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
- czman, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1ElAssoWipo: *****. zionism as a movment was founded by secular jews. some of the religious jews cought on to it later, and the orthodox jews are dead AGAINST zionism not for it (that's why you get to see some crackpot jews going to Iran and shmoosing with achmanidijad). most zionist are not even religious. it has nothing to do with supremacy - it has everything to do with human rights.
regarding the historican linkage of the jews to the palestine area, look at the facts. palastine, before 48 was never an indipendant state. it was always controlled by the superpowers of the relevant time.
you are just blinded by hate. ("Zionists are the scum of the earth") - crichton101, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1@Oldhick it was actually on Novemeber 29th of 1947 that the UN voted 33 to 13 in favor of the partition plan that created what we now know as the state of Israel. And instead of the wikiepedia lets got with this site
http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000520. ...
But since you want to use Wiki anyway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:19480516_Palest ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936-1939_Arab_revolt ...
So you really want to use wiki? All that really goes to show is that the people of that region have had foreigners forced upon them for a longer time frame then just WW2 because of the zionist movement. So I REALLY can't blame them then since theyve had to deal with this for over a century now.
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -14/+38"when the UN behaves like this you have every right to refuse their requests."
- sn4ke666, on 04/10/2008, -13/+8All that shows is that the UN has been systematically biased against Israel.
(dugg down for not blasting Israel)- MalenfantX, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3Dug down for not understanding that the reaction to the Israelis is due to their behavior.
- czman, on 04/12/2008, -0/+1dugg down for not realising that the UN bias is based upon political and economical and economical pressures - read: petroleum.
- jabberwolf, on 04/10/2008, -6/+6NICE
Now if only EVERYONE ELSE COULD FOLLOW RESOLUTUONS!
But they insist that only ISRAEL has to follow them.
Everyone else does not!
- oldhick, on 04/10/2008, -26/+11And that is relevant to my comment in what way?
- KMye, on 04/10/2008, -17/+17oldhick, you're of course going to be dugg down into oblivion, but you're absolutely right.
The plight of the Palestinians today is horrible, but the UN Human Rights Council has been since its inception an anti-semitic, anti-Israel tool, as was the Human Rights Commission before it.
In its short history it's already condemned Israel multiple times, while not doing so to any other countries, including those that have current, ongoing documented genocides. Presently, you have countries like Pakistan, Romania, and Sri Lanka sitting in judgment of Israel; ***** insane.- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -11/+11Yeah, the US was kicked off and for good reason -- they gave a free pass to one of the worst serial abusers, Israel.
- KMye, on 04/10/2008, -12/+8Why must you talk out of your ass so? Seeing as the US has never attempted to secure a seat on the council, it has never been on it to be kicked off...
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -6/+12http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0407-07.ht ...
you were saying? - sn4ke666, on 04/10/2008, -6/+13What's amazing to me is that Jordanian King's brutality toward the same Palestinians who make up 75% of his country has not been touched by the UN.
- KMye, on 04/10/2008, -7/+4Were they "kicked off?"
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -8/+12Yes. They were on the old one, they were denied a seat on the new one. That's called being kicked off. That's certainly how it played in the international media.
@sn4ke666 - Good trolling for the government of Israel so far. In answer to your question, it has. But either way, its your typical "it's not us, it's them!" - KMye, on 04/10/2008, -6/+9The reason the HRC was created was because "the old one," the Human Rights Commission, was roundly accepted as a hypocritical, ridiculous, shameful sham. You see nothing wrong with the US losing a vote for a seat on it while China, Cuba, Libya, Iran, Zimbabwe, and more all secured seats and routinely condemned Israel while ignoring the genocides and more of their day, to say nothing of what was going on in their own countries?
Unfortunately, not much has changed with the new incarnation. As your own link states, the US wasn't denied a seat on the new HRC, it chose not to go to the vote because of opposition, some justifiable, some not. Your own link also states Cuba, China, Iran and Libya had better odds for winning a seat than the US. Can you blame the US for not going to a vote at that point? FFS, have you seen the roster for next year?? http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/yea ...
How much moral authority can you possibly attribute to this organization? - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -7/+6It chose not to try because it was going to lose, so it avoided the embarrassment.
The council has the complete authority granted it by all but four countries in the world voting for it. That's a map completely marked "Yay!" with .3% of "Nay!"
Your continued attempts to slander the entire UN and the rest of the entire world to benefit the atrocities of one pariah state will not go unnoticed when you meet your maker. You can tell yourself your morals are worth the paycheck, but at the end of the day, you've become a nazi yourself. - KMye, on 04/10/2008, -4/+5There's no quicker way to discredit yourself than to attribute your opinion as God's and sit in his place in judgment of others. Seriously, go ***** yourself.
Regarding the council's "complete authority", I wasn't aware that ethical validity was now determined by a vote. The US has seriously gone wrong in some recent cases, though how much has been due to actual set policies vs. individuals' actions is debatable depending on the case. The Palestinians are currently placed in an unacceptable set of circumstances. But, that doesn't mean it's an Israel 100% bad/wrong, Palestinians 100% righteous situation, nor does it mean anyone opposed to the US is automatically more correct or ethical; in many many cases, diplomatically adversarial countries are far worse (i.e. Cuba, China, Sri Lanka, Russia, Romania, Pakistan - all current or next year's members of the HRC) .
I don't see how arguing the HRC is essentially as corrupt and ridiculous as its predecessor is somehow slandering the the entire UN, whose humanitarian arms I'm a great supporter of, but when you seem to have a penchant for throwing "Nazi" labels around with just as much ease as Falk, I wouldn't expect much intellectual precision or honesty from you... - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -5/+5Of course it's not black/white, I never implied that.
I'm just telling you, as a moral person, that being a paid shill isn't a good thing to do with your life. - KMye, on 04/10/2008, -6/+4I should have just left my last comment as "Godwin's Law" and walked out on top, but I'll take the bonus points for "paid shill". cheers
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -3/+4Godwin's law is starting to catch some buzz with you guys. I personally don't think it is recognizable enough.
If you want to think you "won," by all means please do. I was just here to counter your disinformation, which I did, shillboy. - KMye, on 04/10/2008, -2/+4I wouldn't normally be as silly to refer to a thread as "won" or "lost"; only in cases where the aforementioned law is concerned, where of course all semblance of an honest discussion has already gone out the window. I really envy you in a way; I'm sure it's much entertaining waging an ongoing ideological internet-battle against a team/bureau/agency of evil disinfo agents than it is attempting to trade points with a delusional conspiracy nut. :) Okay, I'm really done now.
- neocognitism, on 04/11/2008, -2/+2Here, you go, talking about your crazy insane conspiracy theories again. Please don't, we've heard enough, there's a 911 truther story around here you can go unload in, psycho.
If you're insulting AIPAC and saying they aren't sophisticated enough to manage a PR campaign, well I think you're insulting Israel and Jews, which makes you an antisemite and anti-Israel. You should be banned.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -11/+11Yeah, the US was kicked off and for good reason -- they gave a free pass to one of the worst serial abusers, Israel.
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -17/+26Resolution 42: The Palestine Question (5 March 1948) Requests recommendations for the Palestine Commission
- czman, on 04/10/2008, -14/+32the second paragraph in the article:
"It said it made the decision after Richard Falk told the BBC he stood by comments he made comparing Israel's actions in Gaza to those of the Nazis."
I do not condone the fact they are not letting him in, but I can definitely understand it. this guy seems like some one who has an agenda. he just compared the systematic killing of millions to a political conflict with, while many died, HAS NOT BEEN systematic.
"He understood that it was a provocative thing to say but he had made the comments, he said, to shake the American public from its torpor."
since the guy wants to say provocative things (which are not true) just to "shake" things up, why should israel let him in. seems like the guy has his mind made up already.- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -11/+13He hasn't made up his mind already. He's been vetted over and over. Israel voted against this Human Rights Commission in 2006, one of two relevant nations, and is against what they might find. Having preconditions on a human rights worker is a joke. If there are atrocities, there are atrocities. If anything he just isn't in their pocket.
- czman, on 04/10/2008, -6/+6"He hasn't made up his mind already."
what was it again?
"comparing Israel's actions in Gaza to those of the Nazis"
I'm pretty sure he already wrote the report.- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -4/+8It's a completely valid comparison, that begs itself to be made, because it is true. He's just honest enough to admit it, which is a sign of his dependability.
Gaza is in a state of Genocide according to the 1948 Convention on Genocide, which the US is a signatory to. Is he supposed to lie for the one pariah state in the world? - czman, on 04/10/2008, -5/+4a state of genocide?
is that the reason why the population there has been growing exponentially? - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -3/+4I knew you would say this, it's your listed response to that word.
Canard. Murder on a scale to statistically reduce a large population is by itself not the definition of genocide. Read the Convention, and check the dictionary definition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Pre ... - urik88, on 04/11/2008, -2/+4Neo, are you joking? You must be...
From the convention:
"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
* (a) Killing members of the group;
* (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
* (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
* (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
* (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. "
You see, Israel doesn't do that. Israel attacks Hamas members which attack Israel.
It's VERY different from "Genocide".
Sure, there are a lot of innocent victims. But what do you expect to happen if you shoot missiles at Israel from a school? Do you expect Israel to politely ask the guy on the school's roof to stop firing missiles? - neocognitism, on 04/11/2008, -3/+3"But what do you expect to happen if you shoot missiles at Israel from a school? Do you expect Israel to politely ask the guy on the school's roof to stop firing missiles?"
The world expects Israel not to commit genocide to all 1.5 million helpless concentration camp inmates for the actions of a few. Our police department doesn't lock down an entire city because a group of people kills two people a year, the average for the rocket attacks. More people die by lightning strikes. - urik88, on 04/11/2008, -1/+4How's Israel making a genocide? I already said that Israel targets militants. Not civilians. You just ignored my post.
The city isn't lock down. A country has the right to deny entrance to it to whoever they want. Specially when the people that want to enter, democratically elected a terrorist organization that wants to destroy it, to represent and govern them.
The Palestinians are free to leave to Egypt... Oh I forgot! Egypt doesn't want them despite their common Arabic ethnicity, and their big unused territory.
And about your last statement:
There don't die so much people because of the great Israeli security measures and counter terrorist tactics.
According to your way of thinking, if you have a great armor, and someone tries to stab you, you should let him because you have a great armor. I mean, he has only a small chance of killing you. Lets let him keep trying! - Alix7, on 04/11/2008, -2/+3Israel = Terrorist state
- urik88, on 04/11/2008, -1/+3Now THAT is a good comeback!
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -4/+8It's a completely valid comparison, that begs itself to be made, because it is true. He's just honest enough to admit it, which is a sign of his dependability.
- Alix7, on 04/11/2008, -2/+3***** zionist scum
- czman, on 04/10/2008, -6/+6"He hasn't made up his mind already."
- pintomp3, on 04/10/2008, -6/+12they don't want to be compared to nazis, they should stop acting like it. israel is an apartheid state, even desmond tutu called it that.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/commen ...- geoffg, on 04/10/2008, -5/+2Comparing Jews in Israel to Nazi's helps assuage European guilt over their direct involvement or complictness in the Holocaust. The great irony here is that the establishment of Israel itself was done to do allay that very same guilt.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -11/+13He hasn't made up his mind already. He's been vetted over and over. Israel voted against this Human Rights Commission in 2006, one of two relevant nations, and is against what they might find. Having preconditions on a human rights worker is a joke. If there are atrocities, there are atrocities. If anything he just isn't in their pocket.
- jabberwolf, on 04/10/2008, -15/+18THE UN ON HUMAN RIGHTS?
They will allow other Human rights organizations in but not the UN. And why not?
Well would you trust the UN who's Human rights council consists of Syria who is helping Hamas and Hezbollah and who know what other terrorist groups?!?- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -5/+8The entire world trusts the UN HRC, except for Israel. Logic dictates that's Israel's problem.
- pintomp3, on 04/10/2008, -2/+6how about this human rights group?
http://www.btselem.org/English/ - MoClippa, on 04/10/2008, -3/+4I'll agree, the HRC is a faulty council, that has spent simply way to much time on the subject of Israel and not enough on other war crimes occurring around the world. It has also passed several resolutions that have the potential to severely abuse human rights. However the HRC is still a new portion of the UN, so it will hopefully grow and learn, primarily in light of the flack it has been receiving from heads and ex-heads of the General Assembly.
The HRC is not a representation of the UN's general assembly body, nor its Human Rights reporters or the individuals who do on ground investigations. These are professional workers with years or decades of experience in their relevant fields behind them. Don't let your negative views of the HRC, be allowed to reflect on the substantial portfolio of work the UN as an organization has built up over time, or the on necessity for the existence of this international political body.- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -3/+5No you don't know what you're talking about. Every single country aside from Israel, the US, and a couple islands voted for it. The UN has every faith in the UN HRC.
Stop talking out of your ass, it makes your PR department look bad. Are they authorizing you to go that much off script? Check with your boss, I would feel bad if you got fired simply for trying too hard.- MoClippa, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3Er... click on my name and check out the other comments I've made regarding Israel Palestine and stop throwing around baseless accusations like that. If you want to have a debate with someone, try to argue with less passion and base your debate on more facts... you aren't going to inform people or bring people to our side of the argument the way you are carrying on because a lot of people are just going to associate these sorts of comments with the entire peace movement and label us all nuts.
As far as the HRC is concerned, you are correct in stating that only the US, Israel (plus two other countries) voted against it. But check out both Secretary Ban's statements as well as former secretary Kofi Annans The fact is, while Israel has been conducted terrible war crimes in the OPT, tantamount to terrorism, other countries around the world have been committing similar, or worse attrocities. The HRC has a very narrow focus on the Israel/Palestine issue, has not discussed atrocities going on around the world enough, and has passed some contemptible resolutions which threaten to limit free speech under their new definitions.
You might want to go through the Wikipedia article on it, as it covers a lot of what I'm talking about more extensively... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_ ...
Kofi's statement: On 29 November 2006, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan criticised the Human Rights Council for "disproportionate focus on violations by Israel" while neglecting other parts of the world such as Darfur, which had what he termed "graver" crises.
Ban's Statement: "The Secretary-General is disappointed at the council's decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world." - neocognitism, on 04/11/2008, -3/+2I've read all of it many times, thanks. The didn't "focus" on Israel, Israel just kept committing atrocities, just like they are now, and they kept reporting on them because they were already on the ground there. Also, Israel denies every single one of them, so no progress was ever made.
It's what you get when the military has too much political power, like in Israel. You get psychos committing atrocity after atrocity. - MoClippa, on 04/11/2008, -1/+3Yes, once again agreed... Israeli terrorism in the OPT is a constant process. Yet, up until 2006, an average of 1000 people a day were killed in fighting in the DR Congo. Egypt has been running on Emergency Law since 1967, shutting down, arresting and torturing any legitimate political opposition. Saudi Arabia's laws against women have become so harrowing, that a few weeks ago a friend of mine was denied access to go see her mothers grave because they didn't want a women in the cemetery, so she had to dress like a man to get in. In Bahrain, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, migrant workers have little to no labor rights and thanks to significant government loop holes, are treated as slave labor and abused. In Iran and Saudi Arabia, legislation is still in place that allows for the persecution and stoning of homosexuals. The illegal US invasion of Iraq has resulted in the deaths of anywhere between 200,000 to 1.5 million Iraqis, and left a refugee crises of around 5 million people, and countries the world over have started shutting down their immigration access, Sweden (having the most liberal refugee program in the world) just announced it was going to shut theirs down as well. China has been running a horrific campaign in Tibet in order to shut down any political opposition in a territory that it has occupied since 1950... the absurdity peaked a new level in that case, when China decided that it was going to run the Olympic torch through the Tibetan territory, regardless of the fact that massive oppression and violence will surround it... in fact, watch, if they do run the torch through Tibet, the Chinese governments violence on Tibetan people will increase tenfold, to ensure that when the cameras start rolling, there is an image of calm. Darfur has been undergoing a civil war / ethnic cleansing campaign that has left 200,000 to 400,000 dead since 2003. After decades of attrocities in East Timor, Indonesia has now moved the same individuals responsible for the horrors that occured there, to West Papua, cracking down on any protests for autonomy, and having police (who frequently go on shooting 'rampages' stationed everywhere, all the way down to the level of independent villages.
These are just some, of the multitude, of human rights violations occurring around the world. While Israel/Palestine is extremely serious, a situation I am intrinsically linked to, know well, a region I have lived in most my life, and have dedicated my entire study to at an academic level... I recognize, unlike you or the HRC, the multitude of human rights violations occurring around the world that are not purely restricted to Israel and Palestine. I can discuss Israel-Palestine ad nauseam, because I am an individual and an academic whose interests revolve around that regional focus... but the HRC cannot, as it is a portion of the UN, and in that respect, meant to be a representative for human rights all around the world. It's "disproportionate focus on violations of Israel" as Kofi Annan put it, neglects the multitude of other human rights violations occurring around the world. And while I respect that the HRC holds Israel-Palestine to heart in their day to day sessions, I cannot respect, under any circumstances, that in the process of focusing on the human rights of one group of people, they neglect the rights of people around the world. They are currently failing on their mission and purpose, and cannot expect anyone to take them seriously due to the way they have been conducting themselves.
- MoClippa, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3Er... click on my name and check out the other comments I've made regarding Israel Palestine and stop throwing around baseless accusations like that. If you want to have a debate with someone, try to argue with less passion and base your debate on more facts... you aren't going to inform people or bring people to our side of the argument the way you are carrying on because a lot of people are just going to associate these sorts of comments with the entire peace movement and label us all nuts.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -3/+5No you don't know what you're talking about. Every single country aside from Israel, the US, and a couple islands voted for it. The UN has every faith in the UN HRC.
- jetboyterp, on 04/10/2008, -19/+10Oh, please. Falk is a "troofer" nut, and has bias against Israel to begin with. The glorious UN fails again.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -6/+3How's AIPAC?
- jetboyterp, on 04/10/2008, -5/+4Sorry...not a member. But I'll take Israel as an ally over any radical Muslom nation any day. Israelis aren't out in the streets chanting "Death to America".
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -1/+4All we're talking about now is the UN HRC and this one Jewish guy who is supposed to go to Israel.
Go spread your racist hate for Arabs and Muslim somewhere else. It's unAmerican and I don't want to hear it. - MoClippa, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3Yes of course not, their too busy walking around on the streets chanting "Death to Arabs"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950 ... - jetboyterp, on 04/10/2008, -4/+3@neocqnitism...
"racial hate"? Notice if you will, I said RADICAL Muslim nations. RADICAL. But then, those like you believe only what's in your mind. Seems you're the anti-semetic one... - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3"Seems you're the anti-semetic one..."
How's that, shillboy? - jetboyterp, on 04/11/2008, -2/+2neo....I guess in the same way I'm supposedly full of "racial hate" right?
- neocognitism, on 04/11/2008, -2/+2No, because you are full of hate by your own words. Nice try though. I actually care about what I say and who I say it about.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -1/+4All we're talking about now is the UN HRC and this one Jewish guy who is supposed to go to Israel.
- jetboyterp, on 04/10/2008, -5/+4Sorry...not a member. But I'll take Israel as an ally over any radical Muslom nation any day. Israelis aren't out in the streets chanting "Death to America".
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -6/+3How's AIPAC?
- neko6, on 04/10/2008, -10/+14If you call me names, I wouldn't let you in my home either.
Can't the UN send someone who hasn't made up their mind already to inspect things?- publiclurker, on 04/10/2008, -4/+3Anyone know what Rumsfeld's been doing lately?
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -5/+4I vote we send Norman Podhoretz. He's the only clearly unbiased person on the planet with regards to Israel.
- PlagueOfMorons, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3 I say the UN needs to send a clear-headed, unbiased observer, like Joe Lieberman.
- pintomp3, on 04/10/2008, -5/+15israel has nukes too, we need to invade.
- MoClippa, on 04/10/2008, -2/+8undisclosed nukes, refuses to sign the NPT, or allow for any transparency in their nuclear program. Going so far as to kidnap a former scientist on the program who turned into a whistle blower, from the UK.
- tugger, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3Cheney refused the same.
- DevilInPgh, on 04/10/2008, -15/+5Never gonna digg you up
Always gonna digg you down
Just want to turn around and slug you
I just want to make you cry
Until you say goodbye
So you would stop telling lies that hurt you- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -8/+6Your dishonoring of the Israeli flag by using it as your icon disgusts me, you anti-Israel shill account. If you're going to threaten me, have the balls to do it like a man.
- DevilInPgh, on 04/10/2008, -8/+5That's funny, I didn't think you were Israeli, especially from a lot of anti-Jewish stuff you've said.
In case you didn't get it, I was being sarcastic. Still...
Never gonna digg you up
Always gonna digg you down...- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -10/+5I'm not Israeli, but I am pro-Israel, and I've never said a single antisemitic thing, you liar.
BUT for what you just said, you yourself have proved yourself to be an antisemite for knowingly leveling a false charge of antisemitism against me. You dishonored the memory of all six million Jews who died and gave that charge the weight it deserves, for your own cynical purposes. I will always refer back to this comment as proof of your antisemitism, so don't you ***** forget it, you sick antisemite.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -10/+5I'm not Israeli, but I am pro-Israel, and I've never said a single antisemitic thing, you liar.
- synaesthete, on 04/10/2008, -3/+4I hope you never come to realize how stupid you sound.
- neocognitism, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2Weren't you saying something about ad hominem smears to me somewhere else? Gosh, are you senile too?
- DevilInPgh, on 04/10/2008, -8/+5That's funny, I didn't think you were Israeli, especially from a lot of anti-Jewish stuff you've said.
- Observer001, on 04/10/2008, -0/+5We're no strangers to fail
You know the memes, and so do I
a lolgasm's what I'm thinkin' of
you gotta know that I'm not your buddy, guy- DevilInPgh, on 04/10/2008, -3/+3I'm not your guy, friend!
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -8/+6Your dishonoring of the Israeli flag by using it as your icon disgusts me, you anti-Israel shill account. If you're going to threaten me, have the balls to do it like a man.
- geoffg, on 04/10/2008, -2/+2Lame.
- JurisAnonimus, on 04/11/2008, -2/+3Neocog, are you competely clueless as to what you just read?
- neocognitism, on 04/11/2008, -1/+1No.
- ElAssoWipo, on 04/10/2008, -13/+35Not really. They let them in but they were condemned for not doing so anyway. Unless you're talking about a country other than Iran or Iraq?
- LadyKofNYC, on 04/10/2008, -68/+121Typical Israel
- Herkimer56, on 04/10/2008, -60/+23Typical terrorist apologist.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -29/+22Typical conspiracy theorist
- Herkimer56, on 04/10/2008, -42/+14Typical mindless, soulless bigot.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -28/+21Typical mindless, pointless bigoted lying projecting antisemitic troll.
- LongShlong, on 04/10/2008, -7/+21Antisemitic? Jew never came up... Israel is a rogue nation of criminal monsters. The fact that most of the cronies at the top are Jewish doesn't make someone antisemitic for calling them out for committing the crimes they do.
- iPissExcellence, on 04/10/2008, -17/+1Typical mindless, pointless bigoted lying projecting antisemitic troll - times two.
Try to beat that one! - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -11/+4Herkimer is a known and proven antisemite from his abundant past words, specifically his knowing misuse of accusations of Jewish and Israeli bigotry.
- LongShlong, on 04/10/2008, -8/+4'Misuse of accusations of Jewish and Israeli bigotry.'
How else is someone supposed to use it?
... Personally, I don't like any religion, it's just make-believe *****, however, that's not the topic. The topic is Israel attempting to muffle the voice of the UN which would otherwise call Israel out for the vicious atrocities she has committed. However, the UN already has condemned Israel over 100 times, which you can look up... But since Israel and the US are in cahoots, the US has basically made the UN look useless, so nobody really pays attention to them... Can anyone say League of Nations? - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -9/+3How else is someone supposed to use it?
Honestly and accurately, not dishonestly and cynically for your own unrelated agenda.
It's an extremely egregious and serious offense, and dishonors all six million Jews who died in the Holocaust, as well as wrongly tramples on the receivers rights. - Alix7, on 04/10/2008, -8/+8stfu, zionist pig
- LongShlong, on 04/10/2008, -7/+3Neo, don't try to pull that card... Not only are you jumping from the topic of Israel hiding the truth, but you're wrong about your figures you're spouting there. The number was recalculated to be closer to about 2.3/2.4 million. And then, you sputter about 'rights'.
As for an agenda... The best course of action would be to force everyone to keep their religion to themselves, or... a long shot... Get Israel to stop bulldozing Palestinian homes, building up a nuclear arsenal and generally destabilizing much of the world with their terrorism hidden behind cry-baby tactics. - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -6/+5I don't know what you're talking about at this point.
- LongShlong, on 04/10/2008, -6/+3You don't know what I'm talking about because you've totally ***** all over this post and thread by derailing it. I've tried keeping it on track, so allow me to try again... I'll copy and paste what I've said before, since you're probably blindly digging down what I'm saying.
Antisemitic? Jew never came up... Israel is a rogue nation of criminal monsters. The fact that most of the cronies at the top are Jewish doesn't make someone antisemitic for calling them out for committing the crimes they do.
I rest my case on this matter. - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -2/+4I don't think you understand what was being said, but let's just leave it at that.
- Alix7, on 04/11/2008, -2/+3Israel is a fascist country
- Herkimer56, on 04/10/2008, -42/+14Typical mindless, soulless bigot.
- dinostabOMG, on 04/10/2008, -5/+15Sticking up for human rights qualifies as apologizing for terrorists these days, apparently.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -29/+22Typical conspiracy theorist
- LongShlong, on 04/10/2008, -13/+32Typical rogue-nation led by criminal monsters.
- tugger, on 04/10/2008, -2/+10The US has refused the same.
Apparently conducting an 'independant' review
both typical rogue-nations led by criminal monsters
- tugger, on 04/10/2008, -2/+10The US has refused the same.
- christauff, on 04/10/2008, -13/+3Typical Special Rapporteur comments at the UN HRC. Frankly, the rhetoric of this UN official is so far from fair and balanced it's a wonder Israel lets them in their country ever.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -7/+10Yeah, that HRC which ever country in the world voted for aside from Israel and the US (and a couple tiny islands). The whole world is biased, and poor poor Israel just gets a bad rap for it's continued atrocities. Sorry, nobody aside from your PR company is buying it.
- LongShlong, on 04/10/2008, -4/+7I know, totally! Israel has her hands full with bulldozing and torturing/killing the property and citizens of Palestine. It's hard to juggle that AND figuring out new ways to bomb Lebanon, while developing new weapons, some of which are nuclear! Take about multi-tasking! Pwew!
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -11/+7typical rhetoric that doesn't add anything to the discussion.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -8/+7typical Zionist apologist who is being paid to shill in this discussion.
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -8/+5This coming from the guy who comments anti-Israel nonsense in every single Israel related article I've ever seen.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -2/+7I've never said one single anti-Israel thing whatsoever, and I resent the accusation.
I notice you don't deny it though. I, for one, am not being paid, I just act on morals and ethics, unlike professional ziontologists like you, who do Israel far more damage than I could ever imagine. You don't speak for her people, I hope you recognize, a vast majority of her people would disagree with the Likudnik warmongering crap you spew.
It's not too late though. You can stop now. There's lots of other jobs out there. Any number of us would support you if you chose to go whistleblower, which would be a huge contribution in the name of justice and morality. Think about it. How much have you already sold your soul for, and how much do you want it back? - LongShlong, on 04/10/2008, -3/+3I'd be willing to wager that his soul is worthless.
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -5/+4Yeah you got me, genius, Israel is paying me to spread propaganda on Digg. I've been hiding that for such a long time, it feels to get it off my chest.
BTW, as someone who has lived in Israel for 9 years, I think I'm a little more qualified to say what the majority of people believe and comment on the policies in Israel. - LongShlong, on 04/10/2008, -3/+3Why would anyone want to live there, let alone, go there?
- urik88, on 04/11/2008, -1/+1@LongShlong
Because it's one of the most interesting countries in the world and a wonderful place to live.
"I've never said one single anti-Israel thing whatsoever, and I resent the accusation. "
Neocognitism, that was a really great one.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -2/+7I've never said one single anti-Israel thing whatsoever, and I resent the accusation.
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -8/+5This coming from the guy who comments anti-Israel nonsense in every single Israel related article I've ever seen.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -8/+7typical Zionist apologist who is being paid to shill in this discussion.
- Herkimer56, on 04/10/2008, -60/+23Typical terrorist apologist.
- yellowcakewalk, on 04/10/2008, -75/+102More evidence that they consider themselves to be the Master Race.
- DaveDaveson, on 04/10/2008, -16/+11no, just suggestive that they cant accept the possiblity that are not completely in the right.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -14/+8Kind of the same thing. You know, God is infallible and all that.
- iPissExcellence, on 04/10/2008, -5/+21Instead of sending down a UN official, maybe they should send down Technoviking, peace be upon Him, to remind them of who really are the master race
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -1/+2He will destroy the whole country when he points his finger: http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z190/phxladin/t ...
- coldkodiak, on 04/10/2008, -16/+15What a clever way to compare Jews to Nazis. Well done you *****.
- pintomp3, on 04/10/2008, -6/+8jews are not like nazis, zionists are.
- coldkodiak, on 04/10/2008, -7/+3Zionism is the belief that the Jews have a right to a homeland in Israel (or Judea/Palestine whatever) and all that entails. I fail to pick up on aryian and master race vibes around that.
- pintomp3, on 04/10/2008, -2/+4"and all that entails" which means getting rid of the current inhabitants.
- coldkodiak, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3I fail to see any Jews in Arab lands. They were all expelled after 1948*.
I see many Arabs in Israel.
Your logic is flawed. The nazis were commited to the extermination of several different peoples, and the conquest of most of the world.
The Israelis have a tiny piece of land, surrounded by several nations that would love to wipe them out. They procured the land through settlement, and natural movements of people... Palestine was barely inhabited by anyone until the 1920s when a large influx of Jews and Arabs took to the lands. Both prior had stakes and ethnic majorities in various areas in Palestine.
Then both sides went to war, Israel vs. Six arab states with the states intention to 'force the Jews into the sea' in those words more or less.
The Arabs lost, and lost some lands. They tried again in 1967, and lost more land. Egypt tried again in 1973 and won back the Sinai.
I still fail to see any Arian mythos or exterminations of peoples in the history of Zionism.
So try again.
* except for, surprisingly, Iran.
- spongya77, on 04/10/2008, -1/+2https://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm ...
Maybe you should try reading more of this.- spongya77, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2Well, moron? Do you like what you see? There are more where it came from. Articles arguing on the racial superiority of the Jewish people.
Sweet. I think the writers learned the wrong lessons from the Holocaust.
- spongya77, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2Well, moron? Do you like what you see? There are more where it came from. Articles arguing on the racial superiority of the Jewish people.
- coldkodiak, on 04/10/2008, -7/+3Zionism is the belief that the Jews have a right to a homeland in Israel (or Judea/Palestine whatever) and all that entails. I fail to pick up on aryian and master race vibes around that.
- pintomp3, on 04/10/2008, -6/+8jews are not like nazis, zionists are.
- neko6, on 04/10/2008, -12/+6Just making sure everybody understand you're antisemitic? Its OK, we had a good guess.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -2/+5for leveling a knowingly false claim of antisemitism, you have spit upon the memory of all six million Jews who died horribly and gave that charge the weight it deserves. That is a far more antisemitic act than anything you are falsely claiming, making you a serious antisemite. I will always point back to this comment as clear proof that you are an antisemite. DO NOT misuse the term again, you sick antisemite.
Further, for using the claim as a way to silence someone and trample their rights and reputation, you are an antigentile. If this were britain, you could easily be sued for libel.- dkrich, on 04/10/2008, -3/+1Uh, shouldn't you be driving a van down a street shouting propaganda through a bullhorn somewhere?
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -2/+5for leveling a knowingly false claim of antisemitism, you have spit upon the memory of all six million Jews who died horribly and gave that charge the weight it deserves. That is a far more antisemitic act than anything you are falsely claiming, making you a serious antisemite. I will always point back to this comment as clear proof that you are an antisemite. DO NOT misuse the term again, you sick antisemite.
- rubikon, on 04/10/2008, -9/+6more evidence that shameless, open jew hatred and blind anti-israel sentiment are the new "liberal" ideology.
please provide a single example of a jew who would ever consider uttering the phrase 'Master Race' in reference to themselves..
you know who DID believe in a master race tho?
I thought you might..
/we know what HE thought of your evil joos~- spongya77, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3https://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm ...
For you too. - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -1/+5So by what you're saying, observing that someone is doing a bad thing, is a bad thing.
Brilliant.
- spongya77, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3https://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm ...
- gamebittk, on 04/11/2008, -1/+5Israel is not a race its a country.
- LadyKofNYC, on 04/11/2008, -1/+3Yet when one criticizes that "country", they're called a racist. Go figure.
- DaveDaveson, on 04/10/2008, -16/+11no, just suggestive that they cant accept the possiblity that are not completely in the right.
- Boeing777, on 04/10/2008, -54/+132This is from a country that keeps calling itself "the only true" democracy in the middle east. the same democracy that gives unequal rights to its population. A "democracy" that if you're not ethnical jewish, then you have no rights whatsoever.
- americangoy, on 04/10/2008, -15/+37by definition, if a majority of a population has more rights than the minority, the country is NOT a democracy...
Just like America before the 1960's and the civil rights movement...- RyomaNagare, on 04/10/2008, -16/+7You keep forgetting that the Palestinians are not part of Israel, if they wanted to be accepted as Israelis there would not be a conflict.
and while their situation is terrible they are war victims, and please before condemning Israel, why not let the UN inspect US secret detention centers, and whats going on inside them.
since when is Israel bashing cool anyway?- dirigibleduck, on 04/10/2008, -4/+13There are thousands, if not millions, of Arab Israeli citizens who are treated as second-class citizens by the population (practically, if not by law).
- neko6, on 04/10/2008, -9/+4There are millions of black people treated as second class citizens by the population in the US. Is the US not an equal rights nation?
- americangoy, on 04/10/2008, -3/+6neko - that was true in 1960's and before.
we are living in 2008....
trust me, there is racism, but not INSTITUTIONAL RACISM, or at least no government official racism - flossdaily, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3Lies. Israeli Arabs have all the rights and privileges as Israeli Jews. Its uninformed propaganda like this that is fueling this idiotic anti-Israel bigotry.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -3/+4He's not talking about the occupied territories, moron.
And we're bashing the Israeli government. A majority of Israelis are as well, so that means we're pro-Israel. Why do you hate Israel?
- dirigibleduck, on 04/10/2008, -4/+13There are thousands, if not millions, of Arab Israeli citizens who are treated as second-class citizens by the population (practically, if not by law).
- EarlOfLade, on 04/10/2008, -3/+3Just like USA today.
- urik88, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2That's true.
However, Israeli Arabs have the same rights that anyone has.
In fact, they can even have their school final exams in Arabic.
Even the street signs are in Arabic along with Hebrew. That's SO treating them as second class citizens...
- RyomaNagare, on 04/10/2008, -16/+7You keep forgetting that the Palestinians are not part of Israel, if they wanted to be accepted as Israelis there would not be a conflict.
- justinx0r, on 04/10/2008, -22/+35Arabs living in Israel have the same rights as Jewish Israelis. Arab Israelis also hold positions in the Knesset. I don't know what you're talking about.
- JohnReb, on 04/10/2008, -9/+17Neither does he.
- glasnostic, on 04/10/2008, -15/+26Arabs living in Israel do not have the same rights as Jews.
the simple fact that Israel "must" remain a Jewish majority proves that.
ironically, even other Jews are discriminated against. there are racial slurs that European Jews use to disparage Jews from "Arab" countries. and Jews from Africa are stuck living in squalid conditions.- czman, on 04/10/2008, -15/+9*****.
- glasnostic, on 04/10/2008, -6/+11thats your comeback? everything i said is true.
you are ignorant of the facts.
- glasnostic, on 04/10/2008, -6/+11thats your comeback? everything i said is true.
- dirigibleduck, on 04/10/2008, -2/+11The funny thing is, it's not *****. The "official" religion of Israel is Orthodox Judaism. Other sects, such as Conservative, Reform, etc., do not have official representation.
- urik88, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2That's funny. My brother made his Bar Mitzvah in a reformist temple.
You could also go check the beautiful Reformist Temple in the Ranana city that has a female Rabbi.
But I think that you're too full of hatred and biased opinions like to check it out if you ever visit Israel.
- urik88, on 04/11/2008, -1/+2That's funny. My brother made his Bar Mitzvah in a reformist temple.
- flossdaily, on 04/10/2008, -1/+2Israel has a national religion, but it also respects the freedom of religion. Israel has an interest in remaining Jewish because if it allows itself to be diluted it will no longer be a safe haven for Jew, which is Israel's primary purpose.
History has proven time and again that NO country in the world is safe for Jews. This is a matter of self preservation, and the anti-Israel people need to accept that fact or this dialog will never progress.
- czman, on 04/10/2008, -15/+9*****.
- MrErr, on 04/10/2008, -9/+27Not true. Arab Jews cannot buy land anywhere in Israel. According to Israeli law they israeli Arabs can own at most 2 percent of Israel. Also Israel makes a distinction between a citizen and an israeli national. Jews can be both, arabs cannot.
- dinostabOMG, on 04/10/2008, -7/+18This is true, and it has practical implications as well. Palestinians are routinely prevented from buying land, educating their children, and exercising rights that anyone normally called a "citizen" takes for granted. It is no less than apartheid.
- synaesthete, on 04/10/2008, -12/+5A blatant lie. Arab Jews are 40% of the Israeli population and they live fine. Why are you making stuff up? Any link for your nonsense?
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -7/+1020% of the Israeli population. It's 40% secular, maybe that's what you meant.
There is a long documented history of Arab discrimination in the Apartheid Israeli state. Moreover, there's open talk of mass deportations of all the Arabs in Israel. Last, a rabbi was just quoted as saying an Arab was worth 1/1000 of a yeshiva boy.
You don't know what you're talking about, PR department shill account. How's AIPAC these days? - MrErr, on 04/10/2008, -0/+6OK here is an article from newyork times about the land. Now tell me i am still wrong.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0 ... - neko6, on 04/10/2008, -7/+5He meant the 40% of Jews in Israel who are ethnically Arab, which is rather accurate (though I told you before its hard to give good estimates). I assume MrErr meant Arab Israelis, and that is also wrong - first, it's lands owned by a Jewish trust fund (that covers much of Israel) that they don't sell to Arabs. Second, that decision came AFTER the Palestinians made it punishable by death to sell land to Jews.
"There is a long documented history of Arab discrimination in the Apartheid Israeli state" - I'm sure there is a much longer documented history of Black discrimination in the Apartheid US state and Jews discrimination in the Apartheid Europe and Arab world.
P.S: A Muslim religious leader was quoted as saying all Jews should die. Actually quite a few Muslims religious leaders said that. So what? - LadyKofNYC, on 04/11/2008, -3/+3For ***** sake, neko. Why do you Israel apologist ALWAYS ***** do that????? Rather than address the ***** your ***** little country does, you dodge, deflect and try to divert the conversation ...... "Well look at what America does ..... What about South Africa ..... Well the Arabs did this ..... and the Russians did that ...... How come you didn't say anything about the Chinese ...... and what about the God damned Martians and that ***** man in the moon?"
Transparent douchebag.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -7/+1020% of the Israeli population. It's 40% secular, maybe that's what you meant.
- flossdaily, on 04/10/2008, -1/+6Blatant lies. Arab citizens have the same property rights, including the right to purchase. You're an ass for posting lies, and everyone who diggs up your ignorance is part of the problem.
- pintomp3, on 04/10/2008, -3/+8Israel's High Court has narrowly upheld a law denying Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza married to Israeli citizens the right to live in the country with their spouses.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0515-05.ht ...- flossdaily, on 04/10/2008, -4/+2Not racist- nationalist. It would be racist if Arab spouses from non-Palestinian territories were barred. As it is, this is clearly a national security issue. Remember that Palestinians are trying to blow up Israeli children- not theoretically, but actually, and daily.
- BlackDaniel, on 04/11/2008, -4/+3Ha ha ha Yeah! Arabs in Israel are being treated sooo good!
Justin, are you a complete retard?? Have you seen or heard anything about the settlements, the road blocks, the demolishing of Arabs houses?
Seriously, you are so stupid that either you are a Jew or inbred...- justinx0r, on 04/11/2008, -3/+3I'm so stupid that I must be a Jew? Wow, thanks Adolf.
- orxor, on 04/10/2008, -2/+15Democracy is just tyranny by majority. Most people confuse democracy with liberty.
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin- flossdaily, on 04/10/2008, -3/+1Israel has both. What's your point?
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -20/+13Israel was founded to specifically provide a refuge for Jews all over the world from discrimination. It's one of the smallest countries in the world. You can't give them that tiny piece of land? I wonder what the attitude in almost any other country in the world would be like if there was a majority of different ethnicity.
Secondly, I lived in Israel and what you're saying about unequal rights in *****. Yes, Arabs tend to be more poor but that isn't because of discrimination. You see, the truth isn't always politically correct. Jewish families put more emphasis on education, and there is also that biological factor that far left zealots love to pretend doesn't exist. Let's just all pretend all people are the same and the same capabilities?- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -12/+16What you are saying is documented to be false. There is a long history of discrimination, Israel is an Apartheid state on top of it. Moreover, lots of Israelis are openly calling for mass deportations of Arabs.
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -12/+5That's what they say about any group of people who are in a lower socio-economic status. From Europe, the American, Africa, to Asia... all over the world. Unless everybody are equal status, there must be some big problem with racism/discrimination. People never seem to open their mind and realize that people are different. The truth cannot be racist.
- glasnostic, on 04/10/2008, -3/+11people are different how?
also.. the LAWS discriminate, not just the people.. who also discriminate. - neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -4/+10You need to tell your PR department that they need to give you at least logically self-consistent talking points, even if they're lies or deceitful. I hope you're being paid enough for your soul which you've forfeit.
- glasnostic, on 04/10/2008, -3/+11people are different how?
- neko6, on 04/10/2008, -2/+7neocon - Mahmud Abbas, the person you said does not represent the Palestinian people because he's too pro-Israel, calls for mass deportation of Jews from Palestine. Some of that mass deportation was even approved by Israel (in Gaza).
The Israeli call for mass deportation of Arabs is a retort, and one that is based on that demand and on the Nobel winning peace process in Cyprus (symmetric mass deportation).
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -12/+5That's what they say about any group of people who are in a lower socio-economic status. From Europe, the American, Africa, to Asia... all over the world. Unless everybody are equal status, there must be some big problem with racism/discrimination. People never seem to open their mind and realize that people are different. The truth cannot be racist.
- huertanix, on 04/10/2008, -6/+8Biological, eh? You wouldn't be the first to say hierarchy should be ruled by genetics...
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -7/+4Not ruled by genetics.... just realize that not everybody are the same.
Why are you so ***** stupid? Oh yeah, genetics. - cutekelvins, on 04/10/2008, -1/+2Yup. This guy is right. When we can have one breed of cow producing more milk than the other then why cant we have one type of human being more productive than the others [in certain areas]. There is nothing racial in it. But denying the basic rights on the basis of this fact is indeed racism.
- munawarali2, on 04/10/2008, -2/+6HItler comes to mind when talking about genetic superiority.
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -7/+4Not ruled by genetics.... just realize that not everybody are the same.
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -2/+8well, black Americans tend to be more athletic and physically stronger than whites, i guess that makes them genetically predispositioned to such labour work like...oh....slavery? i guess it wouldn't be racist since it's genetically proven that they are more fitted for slavery since they are stronger than most whites....
b/c that's not racist at all, right?- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -5/+1Exactly. Racial differences, whether physical or mental, are all part of evolution.
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3so you advocate for slavery?
you know...Hitler had scientists who confirmed to him that Jews were inferior to his "master race"....look what happened there
>>I don't think you understand what you're saying, or don't understand what I'm saying - Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -4/+2If blacks are more genetically predisposed for certain things, why can't whites be more genetically predisposed to certain things too?
Why it so hard to grasp? I don't advocate inequality. I just want us to realize the truth that there are genetic differences between different ethnic groups. - sule, on 04/10/2008, -1/+1name them....provide me proof b/c i've never read a journal article stating such things
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -3/+1Try this for starters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence - sule, on 04/10/2008, -1/+1try this:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleUR ...
i guess a real study on this has nothing on Wikipedia, right? - Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -2/+1ok, try reading these books:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequal ... - sule, on 04/10/2008, -0/+1lol....first you counter my actual study with more wikipedia links, then you post two books; one of which is disproven by reputable scientists in various fields (and is actually disproven in your wikipedia link); then you post a book by two people who's sole agenda is to prove some nations and "races" are superior to others
way to reinforce your position and counter a legit scientific study with pseudoscience....
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3so you advocate for slavery?
- Vodka2389, on 04/10/2008, -5/+1Exactly. Racial differences, whether physical or mental, are all part of evolution.
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -2/+1oh yeah....and while we're currently evolving (at a miniscule pace, mind you); the fact of the matter is that the human race is converging, not diverging....globalization will ensure that any differences will be off-set if humans make it to the point where race (a social concept anyway) is removed through inter-ethnic breeding...(a current reality)
- spongya77, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3Vodka: you have just shown what a ***** racist you are. Biological factors my ass. The Nazis said the same. Please stand in line, you'll get your swastika armband.
Well, let's try a scenario: you are forced to flee your house, your possessions, and live in camps in the neighboring country, because your land was given to people who were living there 2 thousand years ago. Let's say it happens in France, and you're forced to live in Germany, who are Christians, like you, but hate you all the same. I suppose you take it without fuss, right?
Right.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -12/+16What you are saying is documented to be false. There is a long history of discrimination, Israel is an Apartheid state on top of it. Moreover, lots of Israelis are openly calling for mass deportations of Arabs.
- neko6, on 04/10/2008, -8/+12"if you're not ethnical jewish, then you have no rights whatsoever." - please state one right denied of an Israeli Arab. Just one.
You know what, I'll start with a right denied of Israeli Jews - the right not to serve in the army, saving you three years with no income.
Its your turn.- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -10/+8How about being threatened with mass deportation?
How about being being denied building permits?
How about being spit on routinely?
How about being looked on as inferior, 1/1000 of an Arab.
Go away, paid shill account, now a proven antisemite.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -10/+8How about being threatened with mass deportation?
- tEhKewleSt, on 04/10/2008, -2/+3Ethnical?
- rubikon, on 04/10/2008, -8/+3no rights whatsoever...
indeed.
I would bother to refute your 'point' if it wasn't founded on such a baseless scrap of overt misinformation.
but since you're so concerned about equal rights for minority ethnic groups, I'm sure you're just penning a grand piece on the geniune, stark, inequities of living in a real Apartheid State such as Saudi Arabia or Syria.. right?
RIGHT?
I thought so.
hypocrite- spongya77, on 04/10/2008, -0/+5Why would he be hypocrite? Just pointing out that one country is an apartheid state, does not mean he thinks others are not. Just because he didn't list them, doesn't mean anything. And just because others are just as bad as you are, or worse, does not give you a green light. You should have learned that in kindergarden.
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4You mean you want him to stop addressing this article and the point of discussion so you can be assured of what his POV on other countries and groups that you don't like is?
that's pretty poor debating skills.
- spongya77, on 04/10/2008, -0/+5Why would he be hypocrite? Just pointing out that one country is an apartheid state, does not mean he thinks others are not. Just because he didn't list them, doesn't mean anything. And just because others are just as bad as you are, or worse, does not give you a green light. You should have learned that in kindergarden.
- Dimak666, on 04/10/2008, -7/+6Actually Israel gives equal right to all of its population. Believe me, I live there...
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -3/+6prove it...believing won't make something more true
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -3/+5lmao @ you burying my comment b/c i want proof
burying my comment won't negate the fact that you provided no proof to back up your statement.
the onus is on you
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -3/+5lmao @ you burying my comment b/c i want proof
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -3/+6prove it...believing won't make something more true
- solid12345, on 04/11/2008, -0/+1Go ask Assyrians, Kurds, and Chaldeans how their Arab brothers treat them. Why is it the Bedouin Arabs and Druze chose allegiance to Israel over their own Arab neighbors? Because as minorities who are not Sunni Arab they face the same hatred the Jews have experienced.
Israel is hated because they are a thorn in the side of Pan-Arabism which states that the middle east belongs to Arabs and Arabs only regardless of all the various ethnic groups that have lived there for thousands of years.
- americangoy, on 04/10/2008, -15/+37by definition, if a majority of a population has more rights than the minority, the country is NOT a democracy...
- freedomwv, on 04/10/2008, -41/+98Come on Israel, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. They are scared ***** of the world finally seeing exactly what they consider human rights.
- flossdaily, on 04/10/2008, -5/+3Israel gains nothing by complying with an organization that has proven time and again that it has an extremely anti-Israel bias.
The UN has a long and well documented history of accusing Israel of villainy for behaviors that a present but ignored in other nations.
Israel has long since learned that it will never gain popular support. No matter what action Israel takes on any given issue, it is lambasted by the media (and ignorant folks on digg).
Now Israel just acts out of self preservation. When the world catches up and accepts Israel as a Jewish nation which will remain a Jewish nation, then Israel will rejoin the party. - redhook, on 04/11/2008, -0/+3People throw rocks at the israeli army and they respond with bombs.
- flossdaily, on 04/10/2008, -5/+3Israel gains nothing by complying with an organization that has proven time and again that it has an extremely anti-Israel bias.
- Herkimer56, on 04/10/2008, -64/+40Why would Israel allow something like Richard Falk in to their country? He has compared the Israeli's to Nazis, he is an apologist for Hamas, he's a big fan of Ward Churchill and he's a 9/11 truther. Now there's just the man that will provide a fair report on what's happening inside Israel. I don't blame them a bit for keeping this scumbag out of their country.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -28/+54Since they've refused the UN Inspectors, this clears the way for a bombing campaign. What other choice is there? The US does not look kindly upon rogue nations that refuse UN Inspectors, and flout UN resolutions. Once we've bombed them a bit, their intransigent position may change. Force is the only thing this warlike regime understands, evidently. It is with a heavy heart I vote to send 30 to 40 Tomahawks immediately, from our nearby ships.
- Tangaroa, on 04/10/2008, -26/+15> Since they've refused the UN Inspectors
No, they have refused access for ONE IDIOT who called them has a history of extreme bias against Israel. There are plenty of UN human rights workers already in Israel and they are staying.- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -11/+11You mean one Jewish idiot, you antisemitic athiest!!! How DARE you!
- InfamousAtheist, on 04/10/2008, -9/+15I know your comment is facetious, but it made me laugh - the extreme irony of the situation would be comical if Israel weren't making so many people's lives pure misery.
They've become as fascist as the Nazis were and will ultimately suffer for their arrogance. Eventually their hypocrisy will catch up with them.- caferrell, on 04/10/2008, -8/+14It has everywhere in the world but in the USA. The Zionists have a strangle hold on the US media and Congress, where the whisper of anit-semitism is the kiss of death.
The Americans are waking up though, the charade can´t continue forever
- caferrell, on 04/10/2008, -8/+14It has everywhere in the world but in the USA. The Zionists have a strangle hold on the US media and Congress, where the whisper of anit-semitism is the kiss of death.
- Tangaroa, on 04/10/2008, -26/+15> Since they've refused the UN Inspectors
- MarkusGarvey, on 04/10/2008, -19/+30since Falk is more likely to report the TRUTH..who would you send in Herk?...John Bolton.?.
- oldhick, on 04/10/2008, -12/+15Just to clarify for you, its not our job to determine who to send in. But when a group would like to send someone in to do research into human rights violations, it helps to try and send someone who hasn't already made their mind up. Why send him to do research if he already knows???
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -6/+8Too bad its not like that, anyway Israel has been against this human rights commission from the start, it was one of two relevant nations who voted against its creation in 2006.
- EarlOfLade, on 04/10/2008, -2/+2Well, if he is wrong and Israel right, what is there to fear by admitting him? Wouldn't that be good for Israel? He would be ridiculed and his ideas would die forever?
No, Israel denies him not because they are innocent, but so that his claims can not be confirmed.
- Pake, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4Reporting the "truth" requires having an open mind and looking at all the facts. Falk has already shown he has an opinion and will stand by it no matter what. Allowing him entry isn't going to change his report. He'll keep whatever disagrees with his opinion out and put in only that of which supports his opinion.
- oldhick, on 04/10/2008, -12/+15Just to clarify for you, its not our job to determine who to send in. But when a group would like to send someone in to do research into human rights violations, it helps to try and send someone who hasn't already made their mind up. Why send him to do research if he already knows???
- yellowcakewalk, on 04/10/2008, -23/+39It's a well-known fact that they have WMDs. They imprison and torture people. They carry out collective punishment. They are in violation of dozens of U.N. resolutions. And they have threatened to wipe their neighbors off the map. Maybe they will respond to a decade of international sanctions, including sanctions on food and medicine. Throw in a no-fly zone over the areas where they bomb their victims from the air.
- Tangaroa, on 04/10/2008, -20/+14> It's a well-known fact that they have WMDs
It's a well-known fact that Israel keeps quiet about its WMD program, if it is even active anymore, and promises "not to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East" or whatever their official talking point is. They have never tested a nuclear weapon or threatened anyone with them.
> They imprison and torture people.
Torture was banned years ago, leaving "they imprison people" ... so what? Every country does.
> They carry out collective punishment
Simply not true.
> They are in violation of dozens of U.N. resolutions.
The U.N. passes dozens of resolutions condemning Israel for trivialities and fabrications because somewhere most of the nations in the U.N. depend upon good relations with the Arab League or they simply hate the Jews. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion got around in the early 20th century and much of the world still thinks it is real. The U.N. once even declared Zionism to be a form of racism, Zionism being the belief that the Jews have a right to their own state like everyone else on land they had paid for or had given to them by the rightful owner.
> And they have threatened to wipe their neighbors off the map.
Another falsehood. Israel is in peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan, good relations with Turkey, a steady cease-fire with Syria, and only has problems with Lebanon because the Lebanese army cannot keep Hezbollah from attacking Israel. You are recalling Iran which threatened to wipe Israel off the map (a more literal transition might be "erase Israel from the history books"), and you are giving Israel the blame for the actions of Israel's enemies.
> Maybe they will respond to a decade of international sanctions
Maybe there should be international sanctions against the PLO for refusing the peace process and starting a war in 2000. They are getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year for the prospect that they might take land away from the hated Jews of Israel.
> including sanctions on food and medicine.
But then Israel wouldn't be able to give good and medicine to Gaza, which they have done continuously while you accuse them of "genocide" and "collective punishment" against the beneficiaries of Israeli aid.
> Throw in a no-fly zone over the areas where they bomb their victims from the air.
Israel's "victims" are terrorists. Israel doesn't bomb anything unless they have information that a terrorist is there and planning an attack against Israel.- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -9/+9Everything you just said is false, and everybody knows it, you AIPAC "athiest."
- Turambar, on 04/10/2008, -6/+6ITT: Lies
- Tangaroa, on 04/10/2008, -20/+14> It's a well-known fact that they have WMDs
- americangoy, on 04/10/2008, -16/+36Incindentally, Mr. Falk is Jewish.
- Tangaroa, on 04/10/2008, -18/+14Incidentally, Mr. Falk is insane.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -10/+16No he's not, but you might be.
- dinostabOMG, on 04/10/2008, -3/+1I didn't know that. Hopefully that should say something to the very few genuine antisemites who are around here.
- Tangaroa, on 04/10/2008, -18/+14Incidentally, Mr. Falk is insane.
- Herkimer56, on 04/10/2008, -28/+17Look which bigot didn't read the article. Again.
FTFA: "Mr Mekel said Israel would request the change of mandate at the September meeting, and "only then will we consider whether to let the rapporteur come here or not"."
So he hasn't even been told that he's not allowed in the country yet and you've already jumped to the conclusion that Israel is to blame. That's probably because of your hatred for Israel and the Jews.
So tell me, bigot, would you feel the same way about Hamas if they refused to allow in an inspector that they knew to be openly hostile to their very existence?- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -12/+18Why do you hate the Jews? Aren't you Jewish?
- Herkimer56, on 04/10/2008, -19/+14The only thing I hate are liars and bigots like you and your little friends on this thread.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -7/+10You're projecting again. You're the antisemitic liar and bigot, Mr. Conspiracy56.
- villageatheist, on 04/10/2008, -4/+4Why do you have you have to go and hate on Ward Churchill? I was willing to put up with the other comments, but seriously, have you ever read anything written by Ward Churchill or are your opinions based wholly on soundbites?
- scoobydoo84, on 04/10/2008, -8/+4Herkimer56,
Speaking of apologists of Hamas, its clear you are an apologist for another renowned terrorist organization known as zionist Likud. Hamas/Likud?? Same trolls with two different names. You just happen to be an apologist for the zionist version.
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -28/+54Since they've refused the UN Inspectors, this clears the way for a bombing campaign. What other choice is there? The US does not look kindly upon rogue nations that refuse UN Inspectors, and flout UN resolutions. Once we've bombed them a bit, their intransigent position may change. Force is the only thing this warlike regime understands, evidently. It is with a heavy heart I vote to send 30 to 40 Tomahawks immediately, from our nearby ships.
- PlagueOfMorons, on 04/10/2008, -36/+77What a good way to show the world you are innocent, refuse to allow external investigation.
Given the IDF's record of killing noncombatant third parties such as Rachel Corrie, a BBC cameraman, and others, perhaps Mr. Falk is lucky that Israel denies him entry.- thecheatah, on 04/10/2008, -9/+4They might be planning on ***** with our heads by claiming similarity to Sadam as he did'nt allow people to check for wmd, and he really didn't have wmds.
- redhook, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2Hussien invited inspectors in, you need to quit watching Fox News.
- Debacles, on 04/10/2008, -11/+5Can you blame Israel for holding this guy out? He's comparing Israel to Nazi Germany before he ever arrived. One can say what they want about the rough conditions the Palestinians live in, but it isn't genocide. Falk isn't about to give a fair and balanced report.
The current situation is horrible, both on the lives of Israeli's and Palestinians alike. Simplifying the situation into World War II terms, with a clear aggressor and a clear victim makes a nicer sound byte, but isn't an accurate portrayal.- sule, on 04/10/2008, -1/+7He wasn't saying the Israeli's are genocidal, nor was he comparing that aspect in any respect...he was comparing the policy of collective punishment to certain groups, and used the Nazi point of reference since it was likely to spark outrage and discussion on the issue (his ultimate goal for the comments)
and explain how the Israeli's are living in conditions nearly as bad as the Palestinians- Debacles, on 04/10/2008, -3/+1So, you're saying it's okay to liken the Israeli's actions to those of the Nazis in order to spark outrage and discussion? How about sticking to fair reasonable criticisms, rather than bringing up memories of Auschwitz to Holocaust survivors?
Also, I never said Israel's living conditions were equivalent. I said the situation is horrible on both sides. Just because parts of Israel enjoy a higher standard of living doesn't make the situation automatically good for the Israeli's. Several of their towns in the north are shelled on a daily basis, and their citizens live in fear.- sule, on 04/10/2008, -1/+4so it's wrong to hurt feelings now? especially if it leads to a valid point being discussed, or a progressive change for the better?
"uh oh...let's not condemn or make exxagerated comparisons to make a valid point on international policy and foriegn politics b/c it might hurt feelings"
if anything, then the Israeli Jews who have seen what happened, should be able to better draw parallels between their government and the Nazi regime; and should be horrified outright at what's happening
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -1/+4so it's wrong to hurt feelings now? especially if it leads to a valid point being discussed, or a progressive change for the better?
- neocognitism, on 04/10/2008, -1/+5those citizens can ***** move. 1 person every six months gets killed by those rockets. Do you know what the murder rate it in Israel?
Ziontologists compare people to nazis all the time. You should exercise those typing fingers against them as well. - Debacles, on 04/10/2008, -2/+1Let's check my comment again... Did I say one time the two situations are exactly the same? No, I didn't. Wouldn't you agree that your hometown getting shelled is a bad thing? I would say that it's a bad thing, and it contributes to a horrible situation of both sides. Say your a citizen in a poor northern town getting shelled, your property value is zero, you are low on cash as it is, I'm sure it's super easy to just pick up and move. That is a stupendous insight...
As for your Ziontologist remark... thank you for your unintentional dose of hilarity. Well, good luck with your brainwashed alien ghosts. Come to mention it, Israel does have high thetan levels...
- Debacles, on 04/10/2008, -3/+1So, you're saying it's okay to liken the Israeli's actions to those of the Nazis in order to spark outrage and discussion? How about sticking to fair reasonable criticisms, rather than bringing up memories of Auschwitz to Holocaust survivors?
- PlagueOfMorons, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4"Falk isn't about to give a fair and balanced report." I was wondering, how could I get a direct connection to God like the one you have? Because otherwise, how do you know the future? How can you read a person's mind? All Falk has to do is report facts. Are you suggesting he's going to invent atrocities that have already been reported in the press by third parties? Is he going to hide the fact that Israel cuts off food and energy to Gaza civilians including many children? That Israel has destroyed Palestinian orphanages under the claim that they breed Hamas terrorists? What kind of pathetically sick minds harm children and then bar UN inspectors from investigating it?
- sule, on 04/10/2008, -1/+7He wasn't saying the Israeli's are genocidal, nor was he comparing that aspect in any respect...he was comparing the policy of collective punishment to certain groups, and used the Nazi point of reference since it was likely to spark outrage and discussion on the issue (his ultimate goal for the comments)
- robertml1, on 04/10/2008, -10/+3The Palestinians have killed a few noncombatants themselves.
- pintomp3, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4and they should be condemned as well, as they are all the time. however, the ratio of israelis killed to palestinians killed is 1 to 4. by that measure, israel should receive 4 times the condemnation, instead they receive 8 times as much foreign aid from the US. this is putting aside the fact that you cannot hold the occupier and the occupied to the same standard.
- spongya77, on 04/10/2008, -1/+41. It's not an equal position. The Palestinians are being oppressed. That does not excuse the terror from their part, but their responsibility is smaller.
2. I kept hearing in Israel from people that everybody's a soldier there. Therefore =/= noncombatant. (OK, that's not true, but if you're so proud that everybody's a warrior, don't bitch about "civilian" deaths, if they die.
What the Palestinian groups are doing is wrong. But so is ethnic cleansing and apartheid. This would go on regardless what the arabs do. They fight back the only way they can. The partisans weren't very considerate people, either, and were called terrorists. The Vietcong committed terrible things as well. Yet, they were genuine freedom-fighters fighting against an occupying force and the complicit government. Everything depends on the perspective. Just a food for thought.
- wubblie, on 04/10/2008, -9/+1If the only example you can s
- thecheatah, on 04/10/2008, -9/+4They might be planning on ***** with our heads by claiming similarity to Sadam as he did'nt allow people to check for wmd, and he really didn't have wmds.
