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Israel power cuts to answer Gaza rockets... Hmmm this might work!

news.yahoo.com — "The retaliation would begin with short cutoffs that would gradually increase for continued rocket fire, but a lengthy power blackout would not be imposed, defense officials said." Hell fire a rocket at my neighborhood, and if I control the power to yours... hell yeah I would cut it off.

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  • MarkLaymon, on 11/07/2007, -22/+69This should be a no brainer!
    • dinostabOMG, on 10/31/2007, -18/+13No, zaibatsu is a ***** idiot and so are you. This is collective punishment of one and a half million people for the actions of a few dozen. And it's going to (rightly) put more of them on the side of those few dozen. This is how Israel operates. It considers injustice to be an investment, because when they reap the backlash they can turn that into justification for more crimes.
      • p0s3r, on 10/31/2007, -9/+15It's collective punishment of the people that voted these terrorists into office.
        • notque, on 10/31/2007, -7/+10Does that mean we deserve to be collectively punished? If that justification is logically sound then we deserve collection punishment as well.
        • wpi97, on 10/31/2007, -3/+11Do you happen to have a working defense system against Qassam missiles? Or a way to apprehend or destroy the launch crews without any collateral damage?
        • dinostabOMG, on 10/30/2007, -3/+3I suppose, then, you agree that Osama bin Laden was right to attack the US in retaliation for the actions of those we've voted into office?
        • wpi97, on 10/27/2007, -2/+3@dinostabOMG You mean for liberating Kuwait from Saddam, and protecting Saudi Arabia?
        • Volatile36, on 10/28/2007, -2/+3And George Bush was elected by the majority of Americans into office. You're saying that it's okay for another country to punish regular American citizens by cutting off our power and denying us access to water, etc. for Blackwater, Iraq, whatever.

          They are not responsible for what their crazy neighbors do, besides, what would they do anyways? Ask nicely for them to put down their guns and rockets?
          • wpi97, on 10/30/2007, -3/+1". You're saying that it's okay for another country to punish regular American citizens..." So, did all 3000 people who died on 9/11 vote for Bush? Or were they not regular American citizens?

            "They are not responsible for what their crazy neighbors do, besides, what would they do anyways? Ask nicely for them to put down their guns and rockets?"
            And what should the Israelis do, in your opinion, about the rockets fired from Gaza into their kindergartens? Would it work if they ask nicely to please stop that?
      • Flyn, on 10/27/2007, -3/+7Right on.
      • treehugger87, on 10/27/2007, -8/+8"No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed." The Geneva convention.
        I know that some of you will claim that I am taking an extreme view by simply saying that Israel should observe the Geneva convention, but any reasonable person understands that you cannot punish an entire population because of the actions of a few people. Click here for more: http://www.crimesofwar.org/thebook/collective-puni ...
        • wpi97, on 10/31/2007, -7/+4Please get back to us when you have a working defense system against Qassams, or a way of killing the terrorists launching them before they fire, without any collateral damage.
    • DLHOUOKUSA, on 11/01/2007, -0/+2Agreed. The lands belong to the Christians and Jews. Muslims want to take the land and destroy all holy sites important to Christians and Jews. It has been this way for thousands. Grow up and read some real history books
  • iching, on 11/07/2007, -70/+39The Warsaw Ghetto. This your territory Jews, if you don't like it then we will cut off your electricity.

    sorry, I think I 'm on the wrong history channel, I need to update it.
    • foopirata, on 11/07/2007, -31/+56Oh, but I thought Israel != Jews....looks like some serpent is shedding the skin.
      Btw, there were no cut-offs of electricity in the Warsaw Ghetto - they had no electricity to begin with, and the Germans just showed up and rounded people into trucks, to kill.
      Do you _really_ think Israel should act like Nazis? I don't.
      On the other hand, if Hamas stops firing rockets...voila'! No electricity cuts. It's that simple.

      • notque, on 11/07/2007, -5/+4http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID ...
        http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID ...
      • MoClippa, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Hamas is condoning that groups fire rockets as a defensive measure in response to collective punishment, not offensive. On the other hand, it is blatantly illegal that those rockets are fired towards civilian areas, though Hamas is legally allowed to target any military units.
        I was having a conversation with a Refusenik the other day, one of the israeli air force pilots that deserted, and he was quite clear that he held no obligations to militants within Palestine targeting the IDF... regardless of the fact that many of those people were friends and family of his. Both him and I agreed though, that there is no justification for targeting civilians.
    • tnsimonson, on 11/07/2007, -0/+6Godwin's Law confirmed in only two posts. Thank you iching.
  • pintomp3, on 11/07/2007, -76/+59the answer to those who fight apartheid and oppression? more apartheid and oppression!
    • foopirata, on 11/07/2007, -31/+55Define apartheid? Now apply to the situation? See how it doesn't fit?
      No, you probably don't. Brainwashing is so sad.
      • pintomp3, on 10/31/2007, -45/+40gee, i don't know. illegal building of settlements contrary even to israeli law. building bypass roads that only israelis are allowed to use, which carve up the palestinians land. a divider wall which rests on palenstinian land that the international community condemns. racist marriage laws. no rights to air space or water. not being allowed to build homes without a permit from israel, bulldozed if you build without the permit. need i go on?
        • foopirata, on 10/31/2007, -35/+57@pintomp3

          "illegal building of settlements contrary even to israeli law" - there we agree. Those settlements are usually torn down pretty fast by the Israeli police, but I notice you forget to say that.

          "building bypass roads that only israelis are allowed to use" - guess those wouldn't be needed if Palestinian terrorists didn't target randomly passing cars in roads, uh?

          "a divider wall which rests on palenstinian land that the international community condemns" - let them condemn all they way, it works. The number of suicide bombings in buses and restaurants has declined to zero. It works so much that gasp! Saudi Arabia is building one too! Do I hear your whinning? Don't think so.

          "racist marriage laws" - say WHAT??? Your ignorance is showing.

          "no rights to air space or water" - oooops, showing even more.

          "not being allowed to build homes without a permit from israel, bulldozed if you build without the permit" - in ISRAELI TERRITORY, yes. If _I_ were to build a home with no permission, it would be taken down as well. As it would in any place in the world. Your point?

          "need i go on?" - seeing as you got one right-ish thing among six, and some outright lies, I'd say you do - but this time, try the truth. Might be a new experience for you.
        • ReinMasamuri, on 10/31/2007, -11/+15Thank you foopirata for saving me a lot of typing time
      • MisterWonderful, on 10/31/2007, -22/+18Religion is so sad.

        Fixed that for ya Foo.
        • wpi97, on 10/31/2007, -21/+39When your religion tells you to blow people up, or to shoot rockets at day care centers, definitely!
          • Waiting2awake, on 10/31/2007, -23/+20or that you are the chosen people, or that you are somehow the ONLY people going to heaven, or, or, or...

            it is just anything that separates you from you brother should be critically examined..
          • wpi97, on 10/31/2007, -13/+38"or that you are the chosen people, or that you are somehow the ONLY people going to heaven, or, or, or..."

            I think there is a big difference between believing that you are the ONLY one going to heaven, and killing people. As long as you are non-violent, I don't give a damn if you think that you are better than me, or if you think that I am a heathen, an infidel, or whatever. I may not like you or what you believe, but you are entitled to have opinions, and express them. It's called freedom.

            FYI, in Judaism being chosen means having more responsibilities, and being held to a higher standard. Apparently it also means having to suffer centuries of persecution.
          • urinnerchild87, on 10/26/2007, -10/+12@wpi97, What are you doing!? You should know that the truth and all intelligent thought is looked down upon here. Even if your 100% right, the sheeple will just go on and bury you. Why? Because each and everyone of them is scared of the truth, and that they might actually be wrong. So they just suppress your viewpoint and pretend it doesn't even exist, or if it scares them enough they respond with lies and anger. Thats just the intelligence of the average digger these days.
          • urinnerchild87, on 10/26/2007, -11/+2.
          • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -2/+10I know. But when a lie is repeated enough times, people start to believe it. Somebody has to point out that the emperor has no clothes. By all means, join in.
          • Arkaris01, on 10/26/2007, -1/+2Very nice comments wpi97 shows a lot of understanding
          • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1@Arkaris01 Thank you.
      • joel2600, on 10/31/2007, -14/+11yeah, someone should really get on jimmy carter for writing a book called 'palestine: peace not apartheid' because he obviously doesn't understand the situation either.
        • norman619, on 10/26/2007, -8/+14Well he actually doesn't. Look into the history and judge for yourself. DOn't like meadia soundbites and biased sensationalistic headlines do your thinking.
        • foopirata, on 10/31/2007, -6/+8dhimmi carter? don't make me snort.
        • Tangaroa, on 10/26/2007, -2/+6A lot of people did get on Jimmy Carter because of that, and they got him to admit that the book title sets up a false dillemma. He still didn't change the title because it is provocative and it sells copies.
      • notque, on 10/31/2007, -18/+11Imagine, if you will, a modern apartheid state with first, second and eleventh class citizens, all required to carry identification specifying their ethnic origin. First class citizens are obliged to serve in the armed forces, kept on ready reserve status until in their forties, and accorded an impressive array of housing, medical, social security, educational and related benefits denied all others.

        Second class citizens are exempted from military service and from a number of the benefits accorded citizens of the first class. They are issued identity documents and license plates that allow them to be profiled by police at a distance. Second class citizens may not own land in much of the country and marriages between them and first class citizens are not recognized by the state. Second class citizens are sometimes arrested without trial and police torture, while frowned upon and occasionally apologized for, commonly occurs.

        Citizens of the eleventh class, really not citizens at all, have no rights citizens of the first class or their government are bound to respect. Their residence is forbidden in nearly nine-tenths of the country, all of which they used to own. The areas left to them are cut up into smaller and smaller portions weekly, by high walls, free fire zones and hundreds of checkpoints manned by the army of the first class citizens, so that none can travel a dozen miles in any direction to work, school, shopping, a job, a farm, a business or a hospital without several long waits, humiliating searches and often arbitrary denials of the right to pass or to return. Posh residential settlements for the first class citizens with protecting gun towers and military bases are built with government funds and foreign aid on what used to be the villages and farms and pastures of the eleventh class citizens. The settlers are allotted generous additional housing and other subsidies, allowed to carry weapons and use deadly force with impunity against the former inhabitants, and are connected with the rest of first class territory by a network of of first-class citizen only roads.

        Citizens of the eleventh class are routinely arrested, tortured, and held indefinitely without trial. Political activism among them is equated to “terrorism” and the state discourages such activity by means including but not limited to the kidnapping of suspects and relatives of suspects, demolition of their family homes, and extralegal assassination, sometimes at the hands of a death squad, or at others times by lobbing missiles or five hundred pound bombs into sleeping apartment blocks or noonday traffic. Passports are not issued to these citizens, and those who take advantage of scarce opportunities to study or work abroad are denied re-entry.

        The apartheid state in question is, of course, Israel. Its first class citizens are Israeli Jews, the majority of them of European or sometimes American origin. The second class citizens are Israeli Arabs, who enjoy significant but limited rights under the law including token representation in the Knesset. The eleventh class citizens are not citizens at all. They are Palestinians. One expects to be able to say that Palestinians live in Palestine and are governed by Palestinians, but the truth is something different. The areas in which Palestinians may inhabit have shrunk nearly every year since the Nakba, their name for the wave of mass deportations, murders, the dispossession, destruction and exile of whole Arab towns, cities and regions that attended the 1948 founding of the state of Israel. As the whole world, except for the US public knows, Palestinians have lived under military occupation, without land, without rights, without hope, for nearly sixty years now.

        The difference between life inside and outside the US corporate media bubble is extraordinarily clear on this question. US authorities subsidize the state of Israel to the tune of at least six billion per year, and corporate media take great pains to protect US citizens from news of actual human and legal conditions their tax dollars pay for. The ugly and racist realities of Israeli society and life under Israeli occupation are rarely discussed anywhere most consumers of media might find them. It is nearly taboo in mainstream US print and broadcast media to apply the words racist or apartheid to the state of Israel or its policies, or to call its control at the point of a gun of millions of non-citizens what it is, namely the longest standing military occupation in the world today. In the US media, and on the lips of every administration since Harry Truman's Israel is “a democracy”, whatever that word has come to mean.

        Though news stories in the US talk about autonomous “Palestinian areas” allegedly controlled by Palestinian authorities, often referring to Gaza and the West Bank by name, actual maps displaying the geographic boundaries of the so-called Palestinian controlled areas are rarely seen by American viewers, let alone maps comparing the size of Palestinian areas year to year, or showing the steady encroachment upon Arab land and water resources year to year by Israeli settlements, military outposts, Israeli-only roads, free fire zones and Israel's wall. The massive and militarized apartheid wall, as the rest of the world calls it, is termed a “separation barrier” or a “separation fence” in the US media, an understandable precaution against hordes of terroristic former owners of the land who lurk just outside.

        Still, when you Google the terms Israel + apartheid, you get 5.5 million hits. A lot of somebodies somewhere are making the connection without the help of CNN, ABC or Fox News.

        The parallels with apartheid South Africa are many and striking. Like its earlier apartheid cousin, Israel menaces all its neighbors with an impressive array of nukes and the largest military establishment in the region. As Noam Chomsky observed back in 2004:

        ”Not discussed, in the US at least, is the threat from West Asia. Israel's nuclear capacities, supplemented with other WMD, are regarded as "dangerous in the extreme" by the former head of the US Strategic Command (STRATCOM), Gen. Lee Butler, not only because of the threat they pose but also because they stimulate proliferation in response. The Bush administration is now enhancing that threat. Israeli military analysts allege that its air and armored forces are larger and technologically more advanced than those of any NATO power (apart from the US), not because this small country is powerful in itself, but because it serves virtually as an offshore US military base and high tech center. The US is now sending Israel over 100 of its most advanced jet bombers, F16I's, advertised very clearly as capable of flying to Iran and back, and as an updated version of the F16s that Israel used to bomb Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981....” The old South Africa bombed, strafed and invaded all its neighbors with some regularity, crippling their commerce and extracting horrific death tolls from refugee camps and other civilian targets. The last time Israel invaded and occupied Lebanon, it left 20,000 corpses.

        White South Africans rightly fretted at the fact that they were a minority ruling over an unhappy majority, and concocted schemes to exile the country's black population to isolated rural reservations it called bantustans. Israeli pundits calmly discuss the demographic bomb, their name for the fact that second and eleventh class citizens, Israeli Arabs and Palestinians will soon outnumber them within the borders of their supposed “Jewish state” while Israeli politicians sit in Knesset and hold ministries in successive governments openly calling for mass deportations and ethnic cleansing.

        White South Africans constructed for themselves a bogus scriptural narrative in which the God of Abraham promised them somebody else's land, and brought it into modern history with the embellishment that they were holding the line for the free world against godless communism and the black menace. How similar is Israel's line that European Jews are promised the land of Muslim and Christian Arabs, and that they now hold the line for the free world against radical Islam and those ungrateful brown people?

        We at BC have to believe that if the American people knew the truth about what their tax dollars pay for in Israel and what is left of Palestine, there would be a deep and widespread revulsion, similar to that occasioned by US support for apartheid in South Africa. But there are important differences between that time and this one. Though unspeakably odious, racist South African was only marginally important to US interests. By contrast, the maintenance of Israel's apartheid regime, essentially a white hi-tech and military outpost in the middle of all those brown people sitting atop a large share of the world's proven oil reserves is absolutely central to US foreign policy for the foreseeable future. The US is Israel's banker, its arms depot, and its principal diplomatic sponsor. The US is far more complicit in the crimes of the Israeli state than it ever was in South Africa.

        Racism and apartheid being what they are, and our historical experience in America being what it is, African Americans have a crucial role to play. African Americans have seldom supported US imperial adventures overseas as readily as whites. Our American experience inclines us to a skeptical appraisal of our government's means and motives at home and abroad. Even though we live as much within the media bubble as white America, where images of the broken and mangled families, the incinerated homes and bombed hospitals are hard to come by, our skepticism leads us to sympathize with those who live at the sharp end of US foreign policy far more often than do our white neighbors.

        Our first duty is to tell the truth to each other. We must combat among ourselves the bogus historical narratives which permit indifference to US policy in the Middle East in general, and support of Israeli apartheid in particular. The churchgoers among us urgently, publicly and repeatedly must confront and debunk the nonsense which holds that “wars and rumors of wars” are something predestined to happen in the biblical holy land for what they are – bad scripture and fake history. We need to interrupt, correct and school everyone who talks to us about a “cycle of violence” in the Holy Land, as though some raggedy fool with a suicide belt, or a few hundred fighters with small arms are or ever have been equivalent to the devastation wrought by the established gulags, checkpoints, airborne firepower, economic strangulation, house demolitions and nuclear armed might of the Israeli state. The two sides do not have access to anything like equal means of inflicting violence, and so cannot be equally culpable or equally responsible for stopping that violence.

        We need to catch up with the rest of the civilized world, and talk about what we can do to emphatically withdraw our support from the apartheid state of Israel and its immoral and illegal occupation regime. The Presbyterian church, for example, has in the past considered selective divestiture from Israel and from US companies who profit from the occupation, as have the Anglicans. Both might do so again. What can our churches, our unions, our local elected officials, our young people do? What will we do?

        Apartheid in South Africa eventually bit the dust mostly because the inhabitants of that country, black, brown and white resisted it, putting their bodies and lives on the line. Their resistance was aided and abetted materially, financially, politically and spiritually by people of good will the world over. Someday the sun will rise on a post-apartheid Jerusalem, one that belongs to all the people who live there of whatever origin. This is bound to happen because Palestinians as well as substantial numbers of Israeli Jews do and will continue to resist the regime. They will do what they can. What will we do?
        • FlyingSpaghetti, on 10/31/2007, -7/+7Imagine, if you will, a modern apartheid state with first, second and eleventh class citizens, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.........
        • haiduz, on 10/26/2007, -1/+9I hope you copied and pasted that from somewhere
        • foopirata, on 10/31/2007, -7/+4Imagine, if you will, someone being pathetic enough to spout a number of false premises about something they clearly have no idea about, and expect to be The Great Educator.
          Your post is too full of falsities to be even refuted point by point.
        • foopirata, on 10/31/2007, -7/+4Imagine, if you will, someone being pathetic enough to spout a number of false premises about something they clearly have no idea about, and expect to be The Great Educator.
          Your post is too full of falsities to be even refuted point by point.
    • Blah_Blah_Blah, on 11/07/2007, -24/+12err no, not hugs and cookies. You all act as if Israel leaves them alone -_-

      http://nwowarroom.tripod.com/tank-boy.jpg
      yeah that kid died btw.
      • fotbr, on 10/31/2007, -15/+18Thats just Darwin in action. What kind of retard goes up against a tank while armed only with rocks?
        • sovereign3, on 10/31/2007, -5/+6That has nothing to do with Darwinism.
      • Blah_Blah_Blah, on 10/28/2007, -11/+6that's not the ***** point.
      • ReinMasamuri, on 10/31/2007, -6/+10You do realize that a tanks top speed is around 65 KPH (40 MPH). Said kid could have easily gotten out of the way.
        10-1 their were a good amount of "peaceful" observers with AK's and Anti-Tank weapons sitting around, and I wouldn't have gotten out for it either.
      • foopirata, on 10/28/2007, -7/+7Just curious, but how is it that you're so sure the kid died?
      • Quaterni0n, on 10/26/2007, -6/+2Pics or it didn't happen.
      • artgon, on 10/28/2007, -5/+1That's not an Israeli tank. You can tell because they use the same tanks as Americans do.
        • Tangaroa, on 10/28/2007, -0/+6Israel makes its own tank, the Merkava. A lot of their military equipment is homemade, although they do rely heavily on the US for aircraft and supplies.
        • foopirata, on 10/28/2007, -3/+5That's a Mag'ach, the American M-60 retrofitted with a number of Israeli improvements.
          It was maneuvering to a parking spot by the side of the road (see the relaxed soldiers on the background) - no confrontation was taking place at the time. The photographer instigated the kid to throw a rock - as they are fond to do (the photographers more than the kids). No kid was harmed by a tank in the making of this picture.

    • miketrin, on 11/07/2007, -17/+6israel is going to do whatever it wants. it will take what it wants, and kill what it doesn't want. i still don't know why we support that apartheid government.
      • foopirata, on 10/31/2007, -3/+4Of course just to piss off people like you.
        It's all a big conspiracy, all against you.
  • Trublmakr, on 11/07/2007, -30/+67Collective punishment,.. what a brilliant/novel idea!
    • vault, on 10/31/2007, -17/+33Yeah, it's a shame Hamas uses it while claiming that because Israel has a draft that all civilians are in effect military and fair game for attack, and that they admit to this and condone violence on civilians.
      • Livewire, on 10/31/2007, -10/+5two wrongs make a.....?

        stupid excuse.
        • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -3/+8Do you, by any chance, have a working defense system against Qassam rockets?
          • HollowMarkeD, on 10/26/2007, -4/+7If one of your neighbours started acting like a terorist, do you agree you should also be punished?
          • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -2/+4If my neighbor stared firing rockets at a neighboring town, I'd move.
        • vault, on 10/28/2007, -3/+9Two wrongs don't make a right, but you give the Palestinians a free pass while condemning Israel.
    • sabach, on 10/28/2007, -6/+8Worked for Sherman in Georgia.
      • Synchro, on 10/28/2007, -0/+6You do realize that most of digg will not get your historic reference, right?
      • tech42er, on 10/28/2007, -2/+5It worked for Sherman, a Union general during the Civil War, who carried out a policy of total war on his famous "march to the sea" from inland Georgia to the coast. Total war is a technique that involves destroying everything in your path. Its only real similarity to what Israel is doing is the idea of collective punishment.
    • Trublmakr, on 10/26/2007, -4/+1You can start digging me down now,.. that was sarcasm.
    • MoClippa, on 01/23/2008, -0/+1Haha, for those of you unfamiliar with the law.... it is illegal under the 4th Geneva Conventions, to which Israel is a signing party, to collectively punish an entire civilian population. In Gaza's case... 1.5 million people.
  • anatt, on 11/07/2007, -39/+132This must be the world's mildest ever response from any country to incessant rocket attacks on its citizens and its territory. Just imagine what the French or the British would have been doing under similar circumstances. No doubt blasting the attackers to oblivion.
    • wisam, on 11/07/2007, -40/+19Oh yeah, Because Israel is such a country that uses power reasonably. Israel has no past of making the lives of millions of Palestinians hell. They never built checkpoints on every single road between villages. They never sieged an entire nation preventing people and even food to pass, Never bombed with fighters and invaded with tanks Palestinian neighborhoods. I never heard of Israel confiscating land from Palestinians to build a wall or a settlement. Actually, Israel didn't kill a single Palestinian kid.
      /sacrcasm
      • lovelifenow, on 10/31/2007, -14/+42dude wake up. Israel is in a fight for its life. If it didn't have check points then suicide bombers would get through and kill innocence every day.
        • Frnnkdlxx, on 10/31/2007, -23/+5How can you be in a fight for your life when you have 100 - 400 nukes?
        • foopirata, on 10/31/2007, -5/+30Are you that dim? Do you think nuking the Palestinians is a viable answer to Israel problems?
          • norman619, on 10/28/2007, -3/+11Not to mention nuking a neighbor. People don't seem to realize how small these areas are. Most US states are BIGGER than the country of Israel.
          • Frnnkdlxx, on 10/31/2007, -11/+6That's not the point. Israel is the terrorist nation. I'm simply acknowledging that Israel is as safe as Russia is from real foreign invasion. They brought this terrorism upon themselves and they are also stirring it up. What better revenue generator for a "parasite state" - and I use that term politely! You pro Israel, anti anyone who sounds potentially negative people! - than a "terrorist" with "sophisticated" weaponry.

            Let's face it. Israel has had more opportunities and more than enough capabilities to end this crisis over 20 years ago. Stop patting their head and telling them that they did the best they could. THEY are the terrorists in this situation.
          • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -2/+6"Israel has had more opportunities and more than enough capabilities to end this crisis over 20 years ago. " Hmm... 20 years ago... That would be 1980's... About the time when PLO headed by Arafat was kicked out of Jordan by king Hussein, and moved to Lebanon, where it commenced cross-border attacks on Israel and started a civil war between Lebanese Muslims and Christians.... How exactly was Israel supposed to have ended this crisis then?
        • petard, on 10/31/2007, -11/+5Dude, just give back the stolen land and the Palestinians will be happy!
          • norman619, on 10/28/2007, -4/+12Do some research. It's not as simple as that. But then you prob don't care to know the truth.
          • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -2/+7Here is how it was "stolen": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

            And after Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians, they became very happy, and happily started firing rockets at Israeli towns every day!
          • ReinMasamuri, on 11/01/2007, -0/+2No, they won't.
            They've been offered 95% of the land back, they still refused. Hamas is the government voted into Palestinian office and one of their stated goals is the annihilation of Israel.
      • foopirata, on 10/28/2007, -11/+23lovelifenow is correct, as exemplified by the way the situation was before the intifada. Palestinians made a living working in Israel, until their "leaders" decided an uprising would be in their best interest. Nowadays, every Palestinian intellectual will be quick to point that only the leaders were best served by it.
        • ReinMasamuri, on 10/28/2007, -1/+9You seem to make it sound like this was unilaterally decided by the government. Who elected Hamas in?
      • vault, on 10/28/2007, -9/+35Are you saying Qassam rocket attacks aimed at schools, suicide bombings (even during the Oslo Accords), IED's, summary executions in violation of international law, and kidnappings are a reasonable use of force by Hamas? Tell us, why do you give the Palestinians a free pass while condemning Israel?

        Oh it's just anti-Zionism right? That's all it is, huh?
        • HollowMarkeD, on 10/27/2007, -7/+4Is every Palestinian a terrorist?
        • foopirata, on 10/28/2007, -1/+5Then those that are not shall do something about it, because their government sure isn't and Israel sure can't.
    • krnldmp, on 11/07/2007, -20/+13Israel can't afford to just end the fighting. It'd lose the pity.
      • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -10/+10What pity? The only thing it would lose is the lives of 6 million Jews. Again.
      • norman619, on 10/28/2007, -7/+13Wow... your head really is in there deep isn't it? Go see a proctologist.
    • skyshock1, on 11/07/2007, -14/+14Hahaha, no. If history is any indicator, the French would immediately surrender and retreat.
      • Hananda, on 10/28/2007, -3/+20Interesting how people seem to forget, y'know, Napoleon, Charlemange, the French colonial empire, and so on.
        • norman619, on 10/28/2007, -11/+5So what happened during WWII?
        • bjornski, on 10/28/2007, -1/+12Yeah. Why didn't they just keep to themselves, and let the British wipe out the US colonies.

          Those wussies!
          • norman619, on 10/28/2007, -8/+4I ask again, what happend during WWII? The US paid that favor back. :-)
        • zlintux, on 10/28/2007, -2/+12What happened during WWII?
          The French (primarily) and other world nations at the end of WWI held Germany to completely unrealistic rules, and the entire international community then failed to make any real attempt to monitor their compliance. France built the Maginot line, while other European nations did little to nothing to prepare for another war with Germany (Britain had impressive links to the Nazis, in fact).
          When Germany finally started WWII, several countries fell faster than France -- and the Maginot line was never breached. Of course, Belgium didn't make any real effort to defend themselves, opening an easy way around it. Had Belgium held, it would've been a monumental task to breach the line.
          So to answer your question, we let a common enemy invade our oldest ally, forcing their surrender and occupation, while we cooly told them we can't get involved.
          • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -3/+3Oh, so it was really Belgium's fault that France surrendered? Not the short-sightedness of the French leadership that built a sophisticated line of defense, that forced the Germans to... wait for it... take a detour!
        • fadeout, on 10/28/2007, -0/+8Agreed, as funny as making fun of the french may be in the post-war period they showed more savagery in Algeria than any of us could fathom going through.
    • gerbil20, on 11/07/2007, -0/+8Not to mention Russians. Grozny, anyone?
    • sgglynn, on 11/07/2007, -4/+3It's a disputed territory, and has been for quite some time, that's why there is incessant rocket attacks. That's what happens when third parties 'interpret' your borders for you.
      • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -1/+5What is the disputed territory? Israel left Gaza in 2005, forcibly evicting over 8000 of its own citizens in the process. The border between Gaza and Israel is the armistice line after the Israeli War of Independence in 1948, with a very clear "interpretation". The rocket attacks occur because the goal of Hamas is the genocide of the Jews: http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/char ...
    • barakatx2, on 10/28/2007, -3/+1So if a few crazy French guys launched rockets into a town on the border of the UK, then the UK would bomb France? So if some crazy Palestinians are launching rockets at an Israeli border town or settlements INSIDE the West Bank, then every Palestinian is responsible? I wish I was intelligent enough to understand why this is a good idea like most Americans (Americans are experts on Palestine, right?).
      • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -0/+5"So if a few crazy French guys launched rockets into a town on the border of the UK, then the UK would bomb France?" If the French elected a government that called for the destruction of the UK, and then the members of the ruling party started shooting rockets into the UK, you bet the UK would bomb France.

        "So if some crazy Palestinians are launching rockets at an Israeli border town or settlements INSIDE the West Bank, then every Palestinian is responsible?" Uhm... The crazy Palestinians are launching rockets from Gaza into towns inside Israel proper, that is inside the internationally recognized borders of Israel, most often into the town of Sderot. Fortunately, their rockets do not have the range to reach the West Bank. You really should look at the map of the area, before making an ass of yourself.

        "I wish I was intelligent..." We all wish for that...
      • anatt, on 11/01/2007, -0/+5barasatx2,

        Do you have any idea at all of what it means to take responsibility for your own society? If those who fire rockets at Israel are "a few crazy criminals", as you claim, why are they not arrested by the Palestinian Authority, as any normal government would?

        It seems that you demand the rights of an independent state but reject the obligations of it. The two go together, you know.

        No obligations = no rights.
      • sultanknish, on 11/07/2007, -0/+1The rockets are being launched by terrorist groups which comprise the Palestinian Authority and Hamas
    • lithoman, on 11/07/2007, -2/+5No, if a few crazy French guys launched rockets into a town on the border of the UK, then the French would hunt them down and prosecute them, and probably issue a diplomatic apology to the British. The fact of the Israeli Palestinian dispute is that the radical elements in the West Bank have their people cowed into letting them vent their anger on Israel. Israel unfortunately has to take the prosecution of these criminals on themselves, and to get them to stop they have to take out those that are launching the rockets, or do whatever they can to get to populace of the West Bank to wake up and take care of the matter as any decent culture should.
    • pickinjava, on 11/07/2007, -3/+0What if England invaded France and expelled the inhabitants because Italy killed a lot of Englishmen and Germany thought it would be best for the English to have a 'homeland' in France? Would not the French people rocketing England be thought of as patriots rather than crazy people?
  • zaibatsu, on 11/07/2007, -23/+77Hey what would Dubya do if one rocket hit U.S. soil. I really do think this is a mild response, it's better than gunships and tanks.
    • Waiting2awake, on 10/28/2007, -26/+9and when they roll with tanks and airships, it will be better than using illegal weapons and bombing red cross workers. When they get caught using illegal weapons and bombing red cross workers, it will be claimed at least they didn't aggressively fly by German ships on humanitarian aid missions, or illegally invade another country...and when they are caught doing that.......

      • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -11/+22"and when they roll with tanks and airships, it will be better than using illegal weapons and bombing red cross workers." What illegal weapons? You mean like pipe-bombs, filled with nails and bolts and nuts, design to rip through flesh, and cause maximum suffering, detonated in a dance-club filled with teenagers, or on crowded buses?

        "or illegally invade another country..." Are you referring to responding to a cross-border raid and rocket attacks from a country, with which a formal state of war has existed since 1948?
      • Waiting2awake, on 10/28/2007, -17/+10@wpi97, You speak solidly at length about all the troubles the occupiee's are causing and I don't disagree with you being angry with them. But you repeatedly completely ignore, or try to justify, Israeli's terror by way of their terror - and the level of crap they can do is infinitesimal compared to Israel's. Just admit that there at least, Israel is clearly the Goliath to Palastines' david.

        Can we start from there?
        • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -13/+23No, let us start at the beginning. The Palestinians could have had an independent state in 1948, and there would be no Palestinian refugees, if local Arab militias and the armies of 5 Arab countries did not attack Israel. If the the same Arab countries recognized Israel and did not threaten its existence, there would have been no Six Day War, and Gaza would still belong to Egypt, and the West Bank to Jordan. After the Six Day War, Israel offered to give most of the captured territory back in exchange for peace, and the Arab League responded with "No negotiation with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no peace with Israel". In 2000 Ehud Barak offered Arafat an independent state on 95% of the West Bank and Gaza, the response to which was an increased level of violence. Same with the withdrawal from Gaza in 2006.

          To summarize, the Palestinians had numerous opportunities to be independent of Israel. The only thing that their leadership and the leadership of the other Arab countries had to do, was stop trying to destroy Israel. There cannot be peace and coexistence between two parties, when one of them would accept nothing less than complete annihilation of the other.
          • notque, on 10/28/2007, -6/+6Complete BS. Initially Israelis started kicking out Palestinians. Read Fateful Triangle by Noam Chomsky.
          • Waiting2awake, on 10/28/2007, -5/+2Why have you not answered the question? I must not have been clear enough.

            Israel has how many Nukes? Israel has what in the way of military equipment?

            Palestine, has what in return?

            Now -hopefully that is clear enough to the analogy. Israel is clearly the larger, more powerful force. SO, can you not see how the same feelings, emotions, etc that allowed the Jewish people to feel pride and will to fight against overwhelming odds - can be typically shown through the Palestinian plight?

            It is clear as day - yet your upbringing doesn't allow you to see it, I think. Let me ask you this - do you see Palestinian people as your equal as humans?
          • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -2/+2"Israel has how many Nukes?" I do not know. Ehud Barak, the defense minister of Israel, hasn't called me lately. Let us say, for the sake of argument, that Israel has 100 nuclear warheads. Now what? Would nuking Gaza solve their problems?

            "Palestine, has what in return?" They have assault rifles, Qassam rockets, and explosives, which was enough to kill over 1000 Israelis since 2000.

            I will give you an analogy. The US has the most powerful military in the world. 19 terrorists had only box cutters. Yet they managed to kill about 3000 Americans.

            I see a Palestinian as a person, just as I see any other human being. I see a person who indiscriminately murders civilians, or a person, who organizes acts of terror as a bloody murderer, who has to be stopped.
        • Frei, on 10/28/2007, -11/+6It seems wpi assumes the Israeli settlers have more of a right to the land than the Palestinians. I'm not sure that should be the case. Anyway,the Israeli govt and hamas are both from innocent. So I don't think it's fair to say one is morally superior.
        • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -9/+9@Frei I don't assume anything, I state the facts. There would not have been any settlers, if the Arabs recognized Israel and left it alone in 1948 or any time after that. Olmert forcibly removed the "settlers" from Gaza, and what was the result? Rocket attacks on Israeli day care centers.

          "Anyway,the Israeli govt and hamas are both from innocent. So I don't think it's fair to say one is morally superior." Have you ever heard the term "moral equivalence"? Have you read Hamas charter? I suggest that you do. http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
          • Frei, on 10/26/2007, -10/+7Yeah if the people just stood by and took it up the ass from us then they'd be fine! That's solid logic. You realize that piece of land was there before 1948 right? You obviously have an agenda and that's real cute, but Israel has a history of behaving no better and at times worse than Hamas or any other organization. You will use the same excuse they do to justify horrible actions. ***** them both.
          • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -8/+13"You realize that piece of land was there before 1948 right?" Do you realize that Jews were there before 1948?

            "Israel has a history of behaving no better and at times worse than Hamas or any other organization" Examples? References?
          • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -4/+6@Frei
            "Yeah if the people just stood by and took it up the ass from us then they'd be fine!" So, you are saying that accepting a peace deal, and stopping trying to exterminate Jews is "taking it up the ass"? Very solid logic, indeed.
        • norman619, on 10/28/2007, -2/+8Let's be honest. Theses people were the minority of Palestinians who were forcibly expelled from Jordan when they tried to overthrow the king. The king of Jordan used the military to crush them then kick them out of his country. Beirut welcomed the refugees with open arms and they were thanked by having their city turned into hell on earth. The King of Jordan has said while addressing a meeting of Arab leaders that the Palestinians have a homeland in Jordan. He even said they are free to come back as long as they do as the majority of the Palestinians do and accept his rule. Jordan is something like 75% - 80% Palestinian. The search for a homeland is bogus. The other Arab nations don't give a damn about this group of Palestinians. They are used as pawns by these nations to attack Israel indirectly. If you don't believe what I have said you can pretty easily look it up. It's all true. But then I know you don't care about the truth. You just want an excuse to hate Israel.

          BTW The king of Jordan slaughtered more Palestinians in one shot than Israel ever did and yet there was no out cry. Why is that?
      • foopirata, on 10/28/2007, -11/+18"Israel is clearly the Goliath to Palastines' david" - that is such a load of bollocks.
        While Israel is under no circumstance a weakling anymore, to put the Palestinians as "David" is a feeble try at an inexistent moral equivalence.
        First of all, the Palestinians are well armed by Iran et all (see Karin A incident for a documented example, see Al-Quds officers aprehended BY THE PALESTINIANS in Gaza for another). If it wasn't for the arms embargo on Gaza, they'd have stocked everything under the sun in there.
        More so, they themselves boast to have almost half a million men under arms. Quite the number, eh? Specially considering that Israel does NOT exert its full might over the Palestinians, as would be acceptable under a state of war, instead opting for calculated surgical strikes with a _minimum_ of collateral fatalities, mostly created by the Palestinian terrorist habit of locating themselves among the population for the propaganda effect/human shield effect.
        You cry of collective punishment? Not being able to leave your house and hop on a bus without knowing if you'll come back in the evening or if you'll reach your destination is collective punishment. You cry of facilities cut off? Gaza has a government, let it once in their lives GOVERN and create infra-structure and jobs for their people.
        You complain of the Israeli "occupation" but you put the Palestinians sucking from Israel's *****. Can't have the cake and leave it whole.

    • benkrembs, on 10/28/2007, -2/+9Indeed. Imagine if some rebel group was constantly firing rockets from Mexico and killing Texans. And then, imagine if W decided to merely punish them with....... brownouts. Americans would go NUTS over such a limp-wristed retaliation.

      So put yourself in Israel's shoes: This is a very, very mild response. We'd all be calling for blood if this was happening to us.
    • barandon0D9, on 10/28/2007, -2/+8Hell, Dubya doesn't wait for that first rocket to hit. He's all about the "pre-emptive" invasion.
    • maz2331, on 10/27/2007, -2/+5That's an easy one. Mobilize the military and invade a third-party country that isn't involved.
  • vault, on 11/07/2007, -41/+161So let me get this straight...Israel should provide power, water, employ Palestinians, finance their debt, and allow them every benefit of Israel while they refuse to acknowledge Israeli statehood, fire rockets at Israeli schools, while Hamas admits shelling Israel, and when their populace elect a known terrorist organization (by the US, EU, etc.) to represent them?

    Yeah, that's fair. Some of you really show your true colors in this post.
    • vonfook, on 10/31/2007, -43/+14Actually, Israel cuts their water supply, bars them from living on their land, throws them into poverty, and refuses them any benefit of citizenship. Now they're cutting their power too. What's next, their food? Oh, yeah...
      "Gaza's governor told a Red Cross delegation on Wednesday that while the Strip was in need of 200 trucks carrying food and humanitarian aid in light of the growing unemployment rate, Israel only allowed up to 60 trucks to enter Gaza." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3464141, ...
    • foopirata, on 10/31/2007, -14/+46"and refuses them any benefit of citizenship" - explain to me how that goes....do they want a state of their own or do they want Israeli citizenship? Cause the two things are quite opposite, you know?

      "bars them from living on their land" - nooo....I think that would be the Arab armies that told them to leave in '48. Wrong address, my good chap.

      "while the Strip was in need of 200 trucks...Israel only allowed up to 60 trucks to enter Gaza" - and wow, if instead of developing stronger Qassams they'd spend the international aid they received creating jobs and infra-structure, they might not need a single one!!! Has "the governor" thought about that?
      • petard, on 10/27/2007, -12/+5Israel is stolen Palestinian land, so yes, they do bar them from living on their own land.
        • anatt, on 10/26/2007, -1/+7You don't make sense. Israel is Palestine. The only Palestine in existence since Roman times is the one established in 1920-22 by the League of Nations as the Jewish National Home. It was called Eretz Israel in Hebrew, while the local Arabs insisted on calling it Southern Syria. "Arab Palestine" is a propaganda invention of the 1960s.
          This is the truth of the matter, but I don't expect you care for it.
        • Zacktopia, on 10/26/2007, -0/+2"Palestinian land?" Isn't that a contradiction in terms? Doesn't it essentially mean "land looted by the Romans and later squatted on by Arabs?" If you acquire something that was stolen from someone else, aren't you morally and legally obligated to return it - even if you didn't steal it yourself?
    • petard, on 10/27/2007, -15/+4You know what is more fair? Me taking your land and killing you!
    • pintomp3, on 10/27/2007, -14/+3israel does not "give" the palestinians water, they control the supply. palestinians in the west bank are not allowed to access the river and the ability to have a soverign water supply. palestinians in the occupied territories pay roughly 5 times the rate that israelis in illegal settlements pay.
      • notque, on 10/26/2007, -5/+2Israel took the water.
        • wpi97, on 10/27/2007, -0/+4The Jews drank all the water!!!!!! And then they drank all the blood of Christian babies!!!!!
    • barakatx2, on 10/27/2007, -6/+1Israel has to provide Palestinians with basic human needs because Israel has taken away our ability to provide our own.
      • wpi97, on 10/27/2007, -0/+5Really? How so? What abilities did the Palestinians have while under Egyptian and Jordanian occupation between 1948 and 1967, that were taken away by Israel?
      • foopirata, on 10/27/2007, -0/+4Palestinians took away of themselves everything they had before the first intifada - when they had regular jobs in Israel, and the IDF was a long way away from their cities.
        Blame Arafat and his cronies.
      • anatt, on 10/27/2007, -0/+4Barakatx2,

        Those who have taken away the Palestinian ability to provide for themselves are the Palestinian own leaders, who diverted billions of donation dollars to war instead of development (after pocketing a fare share for themselves). You can also blame the UN, who enslaved the Palestinians to aid for some four generations now, allowing the Arab League to derail any and every development and rehabilitation attempt.

        Do you know that under Israeli rule the West Bank was among the fastest developing areas in the world, and that the Arafat gang deliberately put a stop to this. Like all Jihadis, they had no use for prosperous Palestinians. Only poor Palestinians serve the Jihadi purposes.

        The tragedy of the Palestinian people is that they have been brainwashed to love those who have oppressed them: the Arafat gang, Hamas, the rest of the Jihadis from Amin al-Husseini to the present day, and all this by the Arab League securing UN support.

        Wake up already.
  • adiggida, on 11/07/2007, -24/+94Having rockets shot at you daily is collective punishment. Not having rockets shot at you is a human right.
    • kooft, on 10/31/2007, -23/+13If I spend 33% of my day working, 33% of my day sleeping and the other 33% cooking, cleaning, commuting, doing homework with kids and watching the news, then why should I be punished because some terrorists launched a missile attack near to where I lived?

      When you disrupt the power grid you are punishing an entire population of people (most of which are innocent and want no part of it) and the only reasonable conclusion as to why Israel would do this is to collectively punish the average Joe's into taking action against the terrorists (Note: collective punishment is a war crime).

      So since the indiscriminate launching of missiles by Hamas is a war crime, they're correctly called war criminals it must be that since the Israeli government is committing a war crime by collectively punishing Palestinians, they're also correctly called war criminals.
      • vault, on 10/28/2007, -9/+29If they want no part of it, why did they elect Hamas, a known terrorist (not just by the US, google it) organization, to represent them? Hamas is sworn to the destruction of Israel- voting for them is endorsing that.
        • HollowMarkeD, on 10/26/2007, -3/+7By that logic every American should be held accountable for the Iraq war.
          • vault, on 10/26/2007, -2/+3There was WIDESPREAD opposition to the Iraq War and protests when it started, and that's not the case amongst Palestinians backing Hamas. Where are the Palestinian moderates who condemn terrorism?
        • pintomp3, on 10/26/2007, -8/+2and israel voted in butcher sharon, a war criminal who committed genocide. the violence is playing into the hands of the hard-liners on both sides.
        • foopirata, on 10/26/2007, -3/+6First, prove that genocide allegation, will you? Second - he was the one that cleared Israel out of Gaza. Now what?
        • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -3/+5One cannot prove the genocide allegation, if one does not understand what the word "genocide" means.
        • kooft, on 10/26/2007, -5/+3@Vault: But the Israeli people elected the Israeli government, so all you've done is just broaden the scope. The people of Palestine deserve to be punished because of the actions of their elected government? Then why shouldn't the Israeli people be punished for the actions of their government? How do you recommend the American people be punished for destroying Iraq (as HollowMarkeD pointed out)?

          The second point is that not all Palestinians voted for Hamas. So collective punishment still punishes those that have nothing to do with it. Not all Israelis support the heavy handed tactics utilized by their government either, but are you saying these Israelis should be punished? Or are you saying that it's okay for one group to commit war crimes and it's that it's wrong for the other group to commit war crimes?
      • Kizilbash, on 10/30/2007, -6/+3If Israel doesn't want to be bombed or rocketed, why does it keep electing land-grabbing scumbags?
        • foopirata, on 10/30/2007, -1/+6Right! Those land grabbing scumbags that cleared Gaza of Israelis in '95!!!
          Do try to keep up with the conversation, will you?
  • str3ama, on 11/07/2007, -21/+33back a man in to a corner and he will fight to the very death - for he has nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
    Mediation is the only way that Israel and Palestine will find some semblance of peace.
    • vault, on 11/07/2007, -6/+12Seems to me every time that has been tried it never worked out.
      • str3ama, on 10/26/2007, -2/+9seems to me that it really hasn't been done, every time they try it - both sides try to squirm out of it, or some other country gets involved and eggs one of the sides on. Sorta like a playground fight, two kids in the middle and everyone else circling around egging them on to continue fighting..but when something bad happens, they all turn around and go "what a tragedy".

        I really love seeing these articles on Israel/Palestine on Digg..because from a social analysis perspective..you see 3 phases occur:
        1) Pro-Israel or Pro-Palestine posters start digging down posts, and you end up with a selection of comments that favour those perspectives.
        2) Then the opposite side comes around and the process is inversed.
        3) Lastly, as the article begins to fall off the first 3 pages of the frontpage, it begins to garner people who's opinions are in between or who are indifferent.
        Politics aside, it's a very interesting process that exists in most political digg articles - but specifically in ones concerning Palestine/Israel.
      • Buelldozer, on 10/28/2007, -3/+5You've never heard of the Oslo accords then I take it.
    • roland, on 11/07/2007, -4/+1When 2 kids fight mediation might work when you have a parent or a teacher to manage it. However both entities do not have a gaurdian figure to force them to "figure it out". The allies on each side are just friends to egg them on in their 200 mile school yard fight.
    • sultanknish, on 11/07/2007, -0/+1The "man" in question has had repeated peace offers on the table and keeps choosing war
  • luskin, on 11/07/2007, -11/+55It's a hell of a lot better than bombs.
    • HollowMarkeD, on 10/28/2007, -7/+4Sure, Palestianian children not being able to use electricity is a fair response to criminal elements within their neighbourhood. This measure hurts them a lot more than religious fanatics.
      • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -1/+5Criminal elements with rocket launchers? Usually that kind of thing is called war...
    • Kizilbash, on 10/30/2007, -6/+1No it's not. It's way worse than bombs actually.
      • wpi97, on 10/28/2007, -0/+4Really? How so?
      • foopirata, on 10/28/2007, -0/+4Wpi97: Obviously because with the bombs at least they have some light to study their peaceful ways, while with no electricity, the bad bad Israelis are keeping the Palestinians away from their peaceful studies of ethics, logic and moral. That's why bombs are much better!
        (don't worry. It was just Kizilbash trying to make an impression with yet another non-sequitur).
  • swrostmore, on 11/07/2007, -16/+38The only drawback I can see is that punishing the peaceful Palestinian majority will cause them to hate Israel, increase their support for extremists, and ultimately increase the amount of rocket attacks in a vicious cycle.
    • wpi97, on 11/07/2007, -6/+38"will cause them to hate Israel" This is as opposed to all the love that the "peaceful" Palestinian majority is feeling for Israel now?
    • fadeout, on 11/07/2007, -8/+35The "peaceful Palestinian majority" that elected Hamas, which calls for each and every Israeli to be "driven into the sea?" Right...
    • Gabberwok, on 10/28/2007, -3/+18I think that this move will cause less hate than any kind of military action. Then again, there's already so much hate there, I'm not sure it can get much worse.
    • mahdaeng, on 10/28/2007, -3/+10Ummm...too late.
    • miketrin, on 10/28/2007, -4/+5kind of like how bush vendetta war in iraq helps global terrorism.
  • xero040486, on 11/07/2007, -28/+45Wow, I miss the old Digg. You know, the one that existed before the troofers and antisemitism showed up.
    Maybe there's a connection?
    • petard, on 11/07/2007, -14/+7Most of the people here are defending Israel, not against it.
      Though what they dont understand is Israel is on Palestinian land. Palestinians lived on that land, and Israel was created for the Jews because people felt sorry for them being killed by Hitler and the Nazis.
      • tech42er, on 10/27/2007, -1/+8It's not stolen Palestinian land. There were Jews there, and the UN that created Israel in '48 has offered a two state solution that has been refused. Arafat was one of the worst things to happen to the Palestinian people.
    • miketrin, on 11/07/2007, -13/+7if it's anti-semitism to hate israel then I am one but I thought anti-semitism applied to people that hate jews. I don't hate jews, i don't associate them with the israel government. I hope the world doesn't hate me or the american people for what bush has done....
      • barandon0D9, on 10/27/2007, -2/+2You would hope that, but a lot of people hate America and the American people for what Bush has done.
    • Tetraca, on 11/07/2007, -10/+4Hating Israel is not hating the Jews. It's hating Israel for what they've done. They've defied the UN's resolutions, driven Palestinians off their land, and made laws to allow theivery of their property against the resolutions. On top of all that the Palestinians couldn't reclaim their property because the Israelis wouldn't let them back in, creating refugee camps in neighboring countries, pissing off pretty much the entire region and provoking the Palestinians to resort to terrorism to get their lands back from Israel since the playing field is largely unfair (how are they going to pay the soldiers for training, weapons, etc when they have nothing, and the army they're up against has weapons from the country with the largest military budget of any country). The Syrians played fair with their military and they ended up getting their land essentially annexed to Israel.
      BTW, There are Palestinian Jews and Christians as well as the Muslims, and they lived pretty much in harmony for 1300 years until the European Zionists showed up and ***** it all up.
      • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -2/+6I really do not have time to debunk every lie in this post, so I will just deal with the last one: "BTW, There are Palestinian Jews and Christians as well as the Muslims, and they lived pretty much in harmony for 1300 years until the European Zionists showed up and ***** it all up."

        http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-s ...
    • mult1, on 11/07/2007, -7/+2at last one comment that is someone starting to see the nature of the problem that is Israel.. even though much of what is Israel today ,prior to the first world war was fairly desolate with the people living there spread out much more , ultimately it's creation was the biggest mistake the postwar world governments of the time could of allowed. The main instigators were the rich European Jews that infiltrated the biggest governments in the west and coerced them as they still do with all sorts of secret lobbies and such,but I am talking about the Rothschild's in the mid1800's that started the ball rolling buying out much of Palestine and who had much of British upper class in their pockets by the turn of the century was able to swing things like the taking of Gaza at the end of WW1 with the reneging on deals done with the Arabs (without them the campaign would of been nearly impossible to pull off, as most of the British forces were tied up elsewhere)...Churchill is one of the main instigators and the most powerful non-Jewish Zionist that was to play the most influential role in creating all our current problems with the Islamic people. Many non Jews have played along with this whole plan .

      Just one example of the ruling classes in US and Europe have been just as complicit is the revelations of one Albert Pike
      http://threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm
      who knew what was in store for us all now and how has been planned for many generations.
      [quote]
      "The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

      Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto Von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

      "The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3

      After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

      (Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

      "The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." [/quote]

      So to say the Jews were given Israel because of the atrocities of Hitler is just a tad simplistic.. the extent that the Jews have corrupted western society from the diamond scam to the bastardizations of the concept of what a anti-Semite is, not to mention their highly unethical 'megaphone' software has to be looked at closely and finally have many non-jews see and understand what we are really dealing with here.
    • mult1, on 11/07/2007, -8/+1at last one comment that is someone starting to see the nature of the problem that is Israel.. even though much of what is Israel today ,prior to the first world war was fairly desolate with the people living there spread out much more , ultimately it's creation was the biggest mistake the postwar world governments of the time could of allowed. The main instigators were the rich European Jews that infiltrated the biggest governments in the west and coerced them as they still do with all sorts of secret lobbies and such,but I am talking about the Rothschild's in the mid1800's that started the ball rolling buying out much of Palestine and who had much of British upper class in their pockets by the turn of the century was able to swing things like the taking of Gaza at the end of WW1 with the reneging on deals done with the Arabs (without them the campaign would of been nearly impossible to pull off, as most of the British forces were tied up elsewhere)...Churchill is one of the main instigators and the most powerful non-Jewish Zionist that was to play the most influential role in creating all our current problems with the Islamic people. Many non Jews have played along with this whole plan .

      Just one example of the ruling classes in US and Europe have been just as complicit is the revelations of one Albert Pike
      http://threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm
      who knew what was in store for us all now and how has been planned for many generations.
      [quote]
      "The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

      Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto Von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

      "The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3

      After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

      (Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

      "The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." [/quote]

      So to say the Jews were given Israel because of the atrocities of Hitler is just a tad simplistic.. the extent that the Jews have corrupted western society from the diamond scam to the bastardizations of the concept of what a anti-Semite is, not to mention their highly unethical 'megaphone' software has to be looked at closely and finally have many non-jews see and understand what we are really dealing with here.
    • mult1, on 11/07/2007, -8/+1at last one comment that is someone starting to see the nature of the problem that is Israel.. even though much of what is Israel today ,prior to the first world war was fairly desolate with the people living there spread out much more , ultimately it's creation was the biggest mistake the postwar world governments of the time could of allowed. The main instigators were the rich European Jews that infiltrated the biggest governments in the west and coerced them as they still do with all sorts of secret lobbies and such,but I am talking about the Rothschild's in the mid1800's that started the ball rolling buying out much of Palestine and who had much of British upper class in their pockets by the turn of the century was able to swing things like the taking of Gaza at the end of WW1 with the reneging on deals done with the Arabs (without them the campaign would of been nearly impossible to pull off, as most of the British forces were tied up elsewhere)...Churchill is one of the main instigators and the most powerful non-Jewish Zionist that was to play the most influential role in creating all our current problems with the Islamic people. Many non Jews have played along with this whole plan .

      Just one example of the ruling classes in US and Europe have been just as complicit is the revelations of one Albert Pike
      http://threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm
      who knew what was in store for us all now and how has been planned for many generations.
      [quote]
      "The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2

      Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto Von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

      "The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3

      After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

      (Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

      "The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." [/quote]

      So to say the Jews were given Israel because of the atrocities of Hitler is just a tad simplistic.. the extent that the Jews have corrupted western society from the diamond scam to the bastardizations of the concept of what a anti-Semite is, not to mention their highly unethical 'megaphone' software has to be looked at closely and finally have many non-jews see and understand what we are really dealing with here.
  • kildorn, on 11/07/2007, -16/+56There is a simple solution to this problem. Stop letting thugs and murderers attack the country you are totally dependent on. If Israel was as bad as some would lead you to believe, they could turn gaza and the west bank into rubble. It would be justifiable. Who knows, it might take just that.
  • lucidguru, on 11/07/2007, -27/+4Once again religion shows it's true colors. Perhaps if Muslims and Jews could put religious differences aside we would not have these problems. Human beings are on both sides yet the violence is this side vs. that side --> all based on religion. I have no sympathy for either side. Let it be known jerusalem, the west bank, gaza and the middle east are all as holy as my feces. Long live the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
  • GuacamoleSan, on 11/07/2007, -20/+66There are countless muslim countries, yet Jews only get an area smaller than New Jersey to reside in, and yet they are not allowed this. The jealousy towards Jews from these muslims has rooted itself so deeply that they feel that an essential part to their survival is wiping off the jews.
    • supermanred, on 10/27/2007, -14/+14They didn't "get" the area the size of New Jersey, they took it from Palestinians by force. There is a big difference. Most people aren't anti-Semitic they are just anti-Israel. There is a difference.
    • Cherubim, on 10/26/2007, -7/+2Hey dumbass, the bloody Zionist Jews have wiped out over 100000 Palestinians since the state of Israel was created. They have the largest stockpile of WMDs in the entire region and show no remorse over any of their cold blooded killings.
      • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4So, Jew-hater, how does it feel to pull numbers out of your ass? At least you didn't say millions...
    • CannibalTom, on 10/27/2007, -5/+3Do you not realize Israel is founded on the land of Palestinians?
      • gerbil20, on 10/27/2007, -0/+6No. The modern state of Israel was founded in 1948 and Palestinians were only invented in 1967.
  • reeder, on 11/07/2007, -6/+16You have to love how the Middle East is a pure reflection of humanity's failings. No one ever stops screaming long enough to deal with the real issues. Hate builds hate, divides the people, and prevents them from seeing the real hands that move us all. We are all pawns, not the players.
    • vault, on 10/27/2007, -1/+5We can't all be Al Swearengen like you :-)
  • fadeout, on 11/07/2007, -16/+75If any other any modern industrialized nation was getting assaulted by terrorists on an almost daily basis their opponents would have been crushed. Israel has shown far more restraint than is reasonable. The Palestinians are just a pawn in a game of chess being played by Israel's neighbors. Out of all of the Arab countries that have tried to dogpile on Israel only Jordan and Lebanon have made any attempt to improve the lives of Palestinian refugees. Every other Arab state wants the Palestinians in a state of perpetual misery so they can be used as anti-Israel propaganda.

    Btw, why the concern over Israel and Palestine but not even a word about the way Russia handled their own terrorist Muslim problem (Chechnya)? Or the way Arabs are butchering Africans in Darfur? Your anti-semetism is showing.
    • res8qr6m, on 10/27/2007, -9/+4Please explain yourself about Chechya, as far as I know, the majority of the populace was not against Russia.
      • fadeout, on 10/27/2007, -2/+10Probably not, as far as anyone can tell given the lack of media freedom in the old USSR bloc. The Russian military used far more force there than Israeli ever has against the Palestinians (Grozny has been bombed off the map) - and when was the last time you even heard about it? There is a pretty blatant double standard at work here.
        • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -2/+9You see, Chechnya is an *internal* Russian issue... \sarcasm
        • res8qr6m, on 10/26/2007, -2/+4The mentioned issue was constantly brought up in the mid 1990's as it is when it was taking place, I remember growing up and hearing about it day after day. Currently, the situation seems more or less stable under the leadership of Kadyrov. Keep in mind that Dudayev refused to acknowledge Ingushetia as an independent territory. Also, it seems that you have your dates confused, as the 1994 Chechen War commenced by the time the USSR was history. Nowhere did I mention that the Russian forces were not excessive however that does not denote the fact that the nation was controlled by a self-proclaimed president who supported executions of thousands of innocent citizens as means of ethnic cleansing.
        • fadeout, on 10/26/2007, -1/+5res8qr6m, the "old USSR bloc" was intended to describe the regions that were under Soviet domination that are now under Russian control. Nothing has changed in these countries but a few names and flags.
      • wpi97, on 10/27/2007, -1/+6Was that before or after they were carpet-bombed by the Russian air force? http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s72154.htm
    • Wacer, on 10/27/2007, -1/+14Many decades ago, Egypt had a lot of Palestinians and they got so fed up with them that they threw almost all of them in prison before finally running a lot of them off over to Jordan. Jordon got quite fed up with them but I don't know what happen to them next. The Arab nations do not care about them. I watched a documentary about the Iranian people and it was surprising to hear the people care or less about the Palestinians.
      • foopirata, on 10/27/2007, -1/+4In Jordan what happened to them was Black September, when the Hashemite king (Hussein grandfather) let loose the army on top of the Palestinians in the camps and butchered them, forcing most to flee to what is today the West Bank and Lebanon.
    • petard, on 10/27/2007, -15/+4The Palestinians are only trying to get their land back. Wouldn't you want to punish someone that stole something from you?
    • MaximusD, on 10/27/2007, -7/+3Many of the people who support Israeli restraint in dealing with Palestinian terrorism also vocally oppose these other incidents. I guarantee that further oppression and violence against the Palestinians will not lead to peace. I do expect a lot more from Israel than I do from Palestine -- partly because of the infrastructure, education and ability to be accountable. Israel actually controls its military and its actions. Palestine has independent, belligerent and militant groups that are beyond control. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that I expect more from an actual government than an oppressed refugee population. Israel has to bite the bullet here and take the moral high road, which I admit my own government (USA) would never do.
      • foopirata, on 10/27/2007, -2/+4You're naive, I am sorry to tell you. Terminally so.

        "I do expect a lot more from Israel than I do from Palestine -- partly because of the infrastructure, education and ability to be accountable" - so, since Hamas decided to spend the international aid money they got on bullets and not on sewers, Israel is to be held to a higher standard? If someone steals your wallet do you go to the nearest prison and demand it from a jailed felon, just because he is more "able to be accountable" ?

        "Palestine has independent, belligerent and militant groups that are beyond control." - so...Israel can't control them. Their "government" can't control them. The only ones that can control them are their neighbours, and perhaps a couple of hours without electricity will take them to do just that.

        "So I guess what I'm trying to say is that I expect more from an actual government than an oppressed refugee population" - and your naivete shows. What exactly do you expect from the government? To go there and say "booh" to the militants? No. Those militants come from the population, and the population will have to deal with them.

        "Israel has to bite the bullet here and take the moral high road, which I admit my own government (USA) would never do" - in Israel, "biting the bullet" means rockets on schoolhouses. Thanks for your "suggestions", but I think we'll pass.
      • foopirata, on 10/27/2007, -1/+4You're naive, I am sorry to tell you. Terminally so.

        "I do expect a lot more from Israel than I do from Palestine -- partly because of the infrastructure, education and ability to be accountable" - so, since Hamas decided to spend the international aid money they got on bullets and not on sewers, Israel is to be held to a higher standard? If someone steals your wallet do you go to the nearest prison and demand it from a jailed felon, just because he is more "able to be accountable" ?

        "Palestine has independent, belligerent and militant groups that are beyond control." - so...Israel can't control them. Their "government" can't control them. The only ones that can control them are their neighbours, and perhaps a couple of hours without electricity will take them to do just that.

        "So I guess what I'm trying to say is that I expect more from an actual government than an oppressed refugee population" - and your naivete shows. What exactly do you expect from the government? To go there and say "booh" to the militants? No. Those militants come from the population, and the population will have to deal with them.

        "Israel has to bite the bullet here and take the moral high road, which I admit my own government (USA) would never do" - in Israel, "biting the bullet" means rockets on schoolhouses. Thanks for your "suggestions", but I think we'll pass.
      • wpi97, on 10/27/2007, -1/+5So how many Israeli civilians have to die in suicide bombings and rocket attacks until their "moral high road" is high enough?
    • shackleton1, on 10/27/2007, -4/+4It's often (not always, but often) the opposite of anti-semitism. One holds Israel to a higher standard because one holds Israel in higher regard. One is less critical of Russian antics in Chechnya because one expect nothing better from Russia.
      • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4Oh, please! A double standard is a double standard.
    • Kizilbash, on 10/27/2007, -4/+3Is Russia being supported with billions in US money? Is Russia a favored trading partner for the EU? Nope. So we have the right to hold them to a higher standard.
      • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -0/+1"Is Russia being supported with billions in US money?" As a matter of fact, yes: http://www.afpc.org/issues/rusaid.htm
        "Is Russia a favored trading partner for the EU?" I don't know. But I do know that Russia can shut off the gas to Europe at any time.
        "So we have the right to hold them to a higher standard." Does the word "hypocrite" mean anything to you?
    • foopirata, on 10/27/2007, -0/+4The Palestinian Authority is maintained with a huge infusion of funds from the US and the EU. They are not held to ANY standards. Your point, again?
  • SeethisPass, on 11/07/2007, -20/+2Greed is ultimately a weakness.
    • SeethisPass, on 10/26/2007, -3/+1I hit you where you live didn't I? You don't have to admit it though.
      Sometimes it's rewarding to get dugg down. The mind has no firewall and you can't ever unhear what I said.
      Greed is still a weakness.
      • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -0/+2Actually, you are getting dugg down because your comment is neither here nor there...
  • werkshop, on 11/07/2007, -11/+7Like they would be able to get freaking rockets but not a simple power geneartor. If it's like most of the rest of the world, the power grid they have is patchwork crap and most all buildings have generators of their own.
    • krypritcmind, on 10/26/2007, -3/+2You have clearly not seen the palestinian building "infrastructure" :)
      its about eating for them, not about spending $100k on power generators...
      • foopirata, on 10/26/2007, -0/+3Or $200 on an AK-47 instead of seeds to plant their own tomatoes. I think you suppose it's "all or nothing", eh?
  • FatHed, on 11/07/2007, -32/+14All you people saying Israel has the right to do this should ask yourselves how Israel got the land to begin with. Hint: terrorism, and some invasion.
    • judicar, on 10/27/2007, -4/+22Hint: United Nations Resolution 181
      • supermanred, on 10/27/2007, -10/+3The Resolution endorsed inavasion and terrorism against a people. A sad resolution when it removes people from their homes and places others there by force.

        The UN is really useless.
        • wpi97, on 10/26/2007, -0/+6Which invasion did it endorse? I recall reading something about the armies of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq being involved...
    • MatttK, on 10/26/2007, -17/+4Why are people digging FatHed down? Read a history book for God's sake.