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- barryannarbor, on 10/10/2007, -33/+66The Syrians know damn well what game they're playing. They've openly supported Hezbollah and Hamas; they've openly argued for the destruction of Israel; and in multiple wars attacked Israel directly. You hypocritical SOB's - you're arguing that Israel should sit and do _nothing_ while waiting to be attacked.
Have you been to Israel? No - well, check out a map. The border with Lebanon - a country Syria conquered while the world did nothing - is within 30 miles of Haifa. Remember last year's war? Literally thousands of rockets were fired at civilian targets - and many, many of the "progressive" posters on this site and others simply ignored it. If Hezbollah is being rearmed, then Israel has the right to stop it.
Stop being politically correct and look at the reality of the situation. No Western nation would stand by and let a terrorist army reform on its border. Yet somehow, as we're Jews, we're supposed to sit back and patiently hope that our enemies will decide to play by rules of conflict that they've ignored for one hundred years.
We're not a bunch of bitches waiting to be wiped out. And neither would you be in our shoes. My families within range of Hezbollah's rockets; I've seen the glory that is Hamas with my own eyes. The IDF conducted a military action for a valid reason. - ryllharu, on 10/10/2007, -24/+47Yeah, they'll go back to bulldozing Palestinian homes.
- AntBing, on 10/10/2007, -29/+50Leave Israel alone and I bet they don't shoot back.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -9/+30 Interesting that Syria filed a report with the UN, they should have saved the trouble and just threw it straight into the garbage themselves. UN violations don't count against Israel.
- Renniks, on 10/10/2007, -22/+42Yeah Preemptive war!!!
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing."
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
Well at least they are following in the footsteps of their greatest folklore icon. - SirGunslinger, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23If you want to get technical, Syria and Israel are still in an offical state of war.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/10/2007, -11/+29Fear mongering. Maybe they wouldn't push people off their land, steal their positions, etc, etc, etc...
The reality is that no side in the middle east is clean of idiocy. As the great song said - "Ain't nobody right, when everyone is wrong".
Please grow up and see that both sides are to blame for this, and until both sides can accept that, nothing with change. - geekee, on 10/10/2007, -26/+41You left out an important part of the story in your short summary
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"CNN, which earlier reported on the strike, said the strike was believed to have targeted weapons either coming into Syria or moving through Syria from Iran to the Iranian-backed Hezbollah militia in Lebanon." - Dewhead, on 10/10/2007, -19/+33Pre-emptive? Hardly. Israel took out weapons that Syria was sending to Hezbollah. Remember Hezbollah wasn't supposed to re-arm that was part of the cease fire deal.
- cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -15/+28America is rather biased against Hezbollah. It's funny how terrorist suicide attacks against hundreds of marines will influence foreign policy.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/10/2007, -9/+21Or maybe the US is the 2nd to 51st states of Israel... Judging by foreign policy, that is more likely the the other way around.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1752nd buddy. We, in the UK, are at position #51 ;-)
- justinx0r, on 10/10/2007, -8/+19I don't get some of you people. Yes, I disagree with some of Israel's policies regarding the Palestinians and Arab nations. But that doesn't mean Hezbollah is now a some sort of great organization. They are terrorists. They kill civilians indiscriminately and shoot rockets into Israel. They shelled a ***** elementary school.
What is there not to get? - oldhick, on 10/10/2007, -6/+16What about "screw Syria"? They've been screwing with Lebanon for years. Assassinating their fellow muslims... Should we have equal anger at both?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -18/+28Yep, because as we all know it is Syria that is occupying Israeli territory.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/10/2007, -8/+18So they all are those people? Ever think much? Seriously, that is what allowed Blacks to be hung so many years ago. Grow up.
There are messed up people on BOTH sides - but neither side is completely wrong, and certainly no individual either Israeli or Palestinian should be blamed for the actions of the few crazy's.
- loganhid, on 10/10/2007, -33/+43And what is the US government going to do about this. If it was the other way round and Syria attacked Israel, then the US would be all over Syria - But as we all know America is Israel's bitch, so it's all good, fine and dandy whatever the hell Israel does.
- cygnus2112, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12How many times has Israel done this carpet bombing that you suggest? Released videos of the invasion of Lebanon clearly show multiple examples of Hezbollah artillery in the basement of highrises. Hamas fighters have been caught launching rockets from the tops of schools. Where do you draw the line of blame of civilian casualty?
If the American military wanted to place a nuclear silo beside my house, I'd move, not treat myself as righteous cannon fodder for God. - dalittle, on 10/10/2007, -11/+20There are groups to contact to stop the Israel miltary machine.
http://www.stopaipac.org/index.htm - david76, on 10/10/2007, -9/+18Unfortunately, any UN action will be quashed by a US veto. This is what happens when you set a precident of pre-emptive strike.
- CTGrey02, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Had Israel not been attacked in 67 and 73 Golan Heights might still be in Syrian hands and they'd only be pissed cause there's Jews there instead. I've been to the country myself, and no I'm not jewish or religious. I've seen the crap they've had to deal with and I was there when Israel demolished their own people's homes that were illegally settled. That entire region is rediculous, but those people have a right to live with out people blowing up their buses, malls, schools, trains ect. No one cares when Israel gets bombarded, it barely makes the news, but a couple bombs that Syria insists hits nothing raises up a ***** storm with the UN. Do you see Israel whining to the UN for Hezbollah's kiddnappings and attacks? Or Hamas's and Islam Jihad's?? This is civilization vs idealogical madness.
- crazycatter, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10You're a retard. There's no excuse for supporting Hamas - they're sole purpose listed in their charter is mass genocide. The fact that they were democratically elected just sows that the Palestinian people are not mature enough for a state, and should not be given one until they can grow the f up and start focusing on building their own state rather than killing citizens of others'.
- thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Didn't they actually go into Vietnam to fill the power vacuum left by the French withdrawal from the area after the First Indohina War?
- Monk22, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7after they asked for their kidnapped soldiers back and Hezbollah said ***** off here's some rockets.
- neko6, on 10/10/2007, -17/+24I hate it when I hear people saying "both sides are to blame". Sure, Israel hasn't behaved perfectly (due to internal pressure of their own extremists, which at least don't murder civilians), but it is a liberal democracy that has never declared war, while its enemies are all religious extremist dictatorships who have always been the aggressive sides in this conflict.
In fact, Israel has offered in the past to return all territories taken in exchange for a peace treaty. Egypt agreed and got the Sinai back, yet refused to take Gaza back. Jordan agreed but refused to take back the west bank (conquered from them). Syria refused a peace treaty all together.
Now, dozens of years later, suddenly everyone is mad at Israel for "occupying" lands that belong to other countries, forgetting that the lands were taken in defensive wars and offered back numerous times to no avail. - mujahideenryder, on 10/10/2007, -9/+16Israel telling Bush: "Syria has WMDs"
- pintomp3, on 10/10/2007, -8/+15attacks against us armed forces? are you referring to the uss liberty?
- CTGrey02, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9So that attack was completely unprovoked by an infestation that the Lebanese Government was powerless to control??? Just wondering.
- BillyBIanks, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9Self-absorbed misinformed prick. This gentleman took the time to explain the situation from first hand experience, and you have to start with the personal insults. Leave your parents' basement and go travel to any of these aforementioned places in the middle east. You'll finally understand the feeling of vulnerability and imminent bodily danger to you and your loved ones.
- ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Cygnus, your grasp of history is tenuous at best, so I suggest you squeeze a little tighter to what little of it you have. SOME Jews lived in the area that is Palestine/Israel but there was a huge Arab majority. The Arabs were promised control of the land by the Allies in return for rousting the Central power allied Turks. Meanwhile, Great Britain promised the Jewish World Organization a Jewish homeland.
The Arabs fought for their independence and Great Britain said they would give them the land and everyone was pretty chill. The Arabs even invited Jews to live there. Fast forward and the landscape looks pretty similar to the illegal immigration debate, with Jews migrating in several waves to Israel, empowered by stories of how the land really belongs to them. Then, things change. The Jewish population skyrockets, encouraged by a "reinterpretation" of "Jewish homeland" to mean an edict supported by several anti-Arab British politicians that the Jews should get their own country.
Of course, no one told the Arabs this, so surprise, surprise when Great Britain opens up immigration to immense numbers of Jewish immigrants. Several events happen at this point:
1) Jewish radical groups split over whether they should fight to take the land they live on as their own or whether they should simply demand more rights. Some go so far as to create their own flag. These conflicts turn violent.
2) Many paranoid Arabs, pumped up by bloody rumors stemming from violent confrontations engage in a horrifying attack on Jewish immigrants.
3) Jewish terrorist groups arise, engaging in retaliatory action against Arabs. An Arab terrorist group arises to do the same against Jews. The violence eventually subsides for a decade.
4) Hitler rises to power and possibly the largest Jewish immigration occurs. Over 20 years the population goes from 7:1 Arabs to Jews and rises to about 2:1 Arabs to Jews, a 350% increase in the immigrant population. Can you imagine what that would do to white folks in the United States? Behind the scenes, Jewish terrorists negotiate with Hitler to arrange for immigration to Palestine before the Holocaust begins.
5) In the end, Jewish and Arab terrorists are killing civilians and the British in staged attacks. In particular, Jewish terrorist groups begin to target British soldiers. Israel declares its independence, Great Britain bails and the United Nations steps in to mediate, splitting Palestine up to accommodate its ethnic groupings.
So, anyone who says the Jews were there first? You're basing it on a spurious 3,000 year old document which they HAPPEN to share with the Muslims -- go figure. Reality? The Arabs were there living with Jews, several waves of Jews with no genetic or traceable lineage moved in, took over, were unfairly retaliated against, and fought to control everything ... and then Great Britain gave it to them.
To put it in perspective, replace Jews with Mexicans/Mexican-Americans and Arabs with Caucasian-Americans (and leave me the ***** out, please). Now, California, Idaho, Texas, Oklahoma and everything south and west and in between belonged to the Mexicans and the United States took it about 200 years ago. Now Mexican immigrants are crossing the border in larger and larger numbers largely without permission of the people living there now and many are saying, "Hey, this used to be Mexico, give it back!" even though many of these Mexicans descend from people who have never even been north of the Rio Grande. Still, historically, this all was Mexican so some claim right by descent. - bloqmon, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9I too have been to Israel. I lived there for four years to be exact. What you fail to recognize is that Israel is a nuclear nation. They continue to refuse to disclose to the UN the fact that they have numerous nuclear warheads. You think Hamas is gonna be able to take on any of that? This Israel/Syria conflict is like a cat playing with a mouse. If Israel really wanted to they'd go in and destroy them. They have one of the best air-forces in the world, and a highly trained army. This is the equivalent of Israel trying to provoke a war so they have an excuse to use real force; ie using blowback to justify a full-on attack. Blowback for Israel seems to be their goal because it would give them a fantastic excuse to blow the ***** out of one of their neighbors and then claim their land.
Israel is made to look much worse than it is. I've been all over Israel and never at any time felt in danger. I never saw a suicide bombing, never heard a gun fight or anything like that. What is said however is that many people on both sides grow up being brainwashed that the other is the undeniable child of Lucifer that is hell bent on destroying them. No one acknowledges the racism that goes on in that country. It is kind of silly however, as they are more similar than they are different. It is very sad and hopefully will be resolved peacefully. - rastagnac, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6According to this article, and administration official SPECULATED that was the reason for the strike ("apparently').
- chiggah, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11Preventive Warfare is the new trend.
Bush can claim he invented it. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8So it's Hezbollah's right to launch rockets at civilian targets inside Israel and that Israel is wrong to try and stop them?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12Why do you people insist on trying to find some moral equivalence? Israel has a right to defend herself against those people and groups that launch rockets at Israel elementary schools.
- chrillen, on 10/10/2007, -12/+18Did or did not Israel fire thousands of rockets into Lebanon last summer?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -10/+16True or False: Hezbollah launches rockets into Israel towns on a daily basis.
True of False: Hezbollah doesn't differentiate between civilian and military targets.
If the answer is true to both those questions, then by definition Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. - Bkaufman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5This is where the argument moves from anti-Israel (which is fine) to anti-semitism (which isn't). Way to go, jackass.
- ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8-You say Hezbollah is a terrorist organization as if it's an objective fact. Fact: 193 countries exist on the planet earth. 4 view Hezbollah as a terrorist group: The United States, Israel, Australia, and...NOT the UK. Simply saying "terrorist" over and over doesn't make it so.
-So is Hezbollah a terrorist group? Considering that Lebanon's ruling secular party doesn't want Hezbollah in control and Hezbollah's kidnapping of an Israeli soldier was responded to by Israel with heavy bombing on THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE COUNTRY FROM WHICH HEZBOLLAH CONTROLS directly on the heads of Lebanon's secular party, and Israel dropped heavy illegal munitions throughout Lebanon, it helps to keep things in perspective.
-Needless to say, I have very little faith in the term "terrorist" as it seems to effectively mitigate the actions of ruling powers for the myopic and simple. - AJH16, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10Yeah, the problem with that is that Islam envision's an Islamic nation rulling the world. The militant factions believe they have to spread Islam through force until the entire world is subserviant to it. They aren't going to stop if we simply leave them alone. They will always keep comming so they can get more power. It has nothing to do with thinking we are evil because we meddle in the Middle East. It has everything to do with the fact that they think we are evil because we are not an Islamic state. Unfortunatly that makes kind of a catch 22 as to leave militant factions alone will result in continued attacks that will not end, fighting them results in more people following them that wouldn't otherwise. There really is no good solution.
- Wolverine82, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7haha, seriously. sometimes i wonder who is really in charge. are we giving them support or are they telling us what to do?
- IslandDog, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9And if they showed evidence people like you would just say it's fake or start with some conspiracy.
- foopirata, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Can you refute the facts he's listing? Cause your skewed moral equivalency can get you only so far.
Fact: Gaza was Egyptian land.
Fact: The West Bank was Jordanian land.
Fact: in the '67 war, Egypt and Jordan lost.
Fact: IN BOTH CASES, once full peace accords were reached - none of the previous owners wanted their lands back.
Fact: Black September happened in Jordan, not Israel
Fact: Palestinians are treated as scum in Egypt
Fact: the Egyptians and Jordanians couldn't give less of a ***** about their "Palestinian" brothers
You can't refute a single fact, so you attempt to bring your "21st century enlightened morality" into play. Hint: not working. - Dumbledorito, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10Even if it didn't happen, I'm sure it will eventually.
- klizmaaa, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7This was a great operation. Israel sent in ground troops, which marked the weapons facility, and the IAF came in an wiped it out, without anyone knowing about it till it was too late.
Not to mention this sent Syria a clear message that Israel will not tolerate the weapons shipments, which Israel has asked the UN to stop many many times but nothing as been done. If the UN wouldnt be scared to do its job then this wouldnt have been necessary. - synaesthete, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Israel wasn't fighting with the U.S. help in 1948 when the surrounding Arab countries tried to destroy her, and there wasn't nearly as much in 67. Learn, then keep learning
- foopirata, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6WHY did Israel fire into Lebanon? Because Lebanon let HIzzbalah use their country as an operations base to go INTO Israel, kidnap 2 soldiers while killing 8 more, at the same time firing katyushas in population centers to mask the raid.
Chrillen looses, Wolverine82 looses, everybody looses. - plaunie, on 10/10/2007, -6/+10Or people who live to close to Israel, or anywhere Israel decides to build a wall...
- Bajeda, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5why would you be dugg down for saying that? I think many people think of Iraq or Afghanistan or who ***** knows when they think of the Middle East. Its actually an inhabitable region with some great cities. Dubai is an example of great wealth, for sure, but there are other places that have done just fine economically and socially.
- Waiting2awake, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Because we have the hot chicks and good weed?
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