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Israel, US discuss deploying NATO troops in West Bank
jpost.com — The plan, which is being spearheaded by US Special Envoy to the region Gen. James Jones, is being floated among European countries, which could be asked to contribute troops to a West Bank multinational force. The idea is that this would ease Israel's security concerns but since NATO in Afghanistan is still short troops this is doubtful.
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- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -15/+10Such a move doesn't seem like it's in the interest of a negotiated peace, I think, but I could be wrong. I'm curious to hear your take on this, hadees.
Perhaps it's to prevent more occurrences of this:
http://digg.com/world_news/Terror_police_feared_gu ...- neko6, on 02/20/2008, -6/+15The move might save lives, I think that is the whole point of it. It shouldn't matter re. peace talks.
- firebringer, on 02/20/2008, -7/+21The Muslims don't want peace. They want an excuse to wage Jihad against the West to spread their religion by the sword. If it wasn't Palestine that was their cause of war it would be some other make believe injustice. Still if some Europeans and Yanks were the ones bleeding to stop the terrorism in Israel I would imagine the Western Liberals would still blame Israel rather than the bombers and the mad mullahs that inspire them to their acts of gross wickedness.
- Arkaris01, on 02/20/2008, -6/+15I can't help but agree with fire on this. In the past few attempts that Israel or the media has brought up the idea of Israel returning portions of land that they have taken in war, they receive a surge of rockets or bombers and are forced to entrench themselves further rather than pull back. Most of this is all about maintaining hatred for Israel and not allowing them to be seen as the good guys. Them occupying land is a great injustice, however not protecting their own people is far worse injustice.
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -8/+5But that's just not accurate! You should read some of the Israeli newspapers' coverage of these peace talks.
- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2The closest this actually came to getting anywhere was Camp David under Bill Clinton. The Israelis calculated their offer to look as generous as possible while remaining completely unacceptable (it would have carved what's left of Palestine up into a Swiss cheese state full of enclaves and no real sovereignty). So no - they don't entrench themselves further because they don't repeatedly extend anything but propaganda.
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -9/+6firebringer, your anti-Muslim, anti-Arab hate is what stands in the way of peace for Israel. Your opinions are not reflected by a majority of Israeli society and you know it, so why are you speaking for them? If you want to help, listen and read. Only a child says "it's all them it's all them!"
- firebringer, on 02/20/2008, -3/+9For the record I'm neither Israeli nor Jewish nor do I live in Israel. To the best of my knowledge I don't have a drop of Jewish blood in me. I'm from the UK. Nor do I nor have I ever claimed to speak for anyone but myself. It's very easy to throw around racism allegations.
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -9/+3I never said or implied anything about your location, ethnicity, or religion. You're still exactly what I said, just take a look at your own damn words, man!
- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -4/+1Oh. I guess you're completely off the hook for being a bigot, then.
- firebringer, on 02/20/2008, -3/+9For the record I'm neither Israeli nor Jewish nor do I live in Israel. To the best of my knowledge I don't have a drop of Jewish blood in me. I'm from the UK. Nor do I nor have I ever claimed to speak for anyone but myself. It's very easy to throw around racism allegations.
- ramo13, on 02/20/2008, -5/+5"the muslims dont want peace" really ?
so you think people enjoy war ? you think that international campaigns, militarization of space, ignoring world hunger, maximization of military budget, increase on taxes, invasion of other countries, hegemonic neo-imperialistic strategies will result in the magic peace awaited by hard-liners like yourself ? for terrorists exist because of one thing and one thing only - you put them there in the process of liberating the world of the 'grave danger' of marxist and people-oriented policies. they only fight and blow themselves up because they have nothing left in life for them, either that, or they are not clinically sane, which has already has been rejected by your much loved commander in chief. - dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2Why do all these bigoted comments all have exactly 12 diggs until I get here? Could it be Megaphone (gasp!)?
- Arkaris01, on 02/20/2008, -6/+15I can't help but agree with fire on this. In the past few attempts that Israel or the media has brought up the idea of Israel returning portions of land that they have taken in war, they receive a surge of rockets or bombers and are forced to entrench themselves further rather than pull back. Most of this is all about maintaining hatred for Israel and not allowing them to be seen as the good guys. Them occupying land is a great injustice, however not protecting their own people is far worse injustice.
- yonoz, on 02/20/2008, -3/+13One of the obstacles to negotiated peace is the distrust Israelis and Palestinians feel towards the other side. ANY move that will help reduce the animosity towards civilians will most likely help bring about a negotiated peace.
I fail to see the relevance of the story to which you referred, are you purposefully perpetrating the us vs. them spirit here?- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -9/+4I guess it turned out that way. Frustrating.
- hadees, on 02/20/2008, -3/+9One of the major problems have always been the question that even if the Palestinian government was willing to negotiate for peace would they be militarily able to enforce that peace on their own population. So the idea of a trusted 3rd party ensuring that Palestinian terrorists can't attack Israel is a good idea. However the problem is that NATO currently is unable to even get an adequate number of troops for Afghanistan and even with the troops they do have the rules of engagement that the various countries have imposed on their troops are insufficient for the job at hand. So while I like the idea I don't think NATO could be that trusted 3rd party with out some kind of shake up in how NATO is run. Right now I think NATO is about to fall apart.
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -9/+5Ah I see. Even the former head of Mossad has come out recently and said that Israel has no choice but to negotiate directly with Hamas. People should respect that and get behind these peace negotiations, rather than try to undermine them.
- hadees, on 02/21/2008, -3/+10How did you go from what I said to undermining peace negotiations? I am all for negotiating with Hamas however unlike the PA, I don't feel like Hamas is interested in peace. They are influenced far to much by Syria and still have refused to make even meaningless gestures like saying Israel has a right to exist. It isn't like them saying that inherently will force them to change their policies. They could say that, not mean it, and still fire off rockets but they won't take that step. Plus there is more to controlling Palestinian terrorists then getting Hamas on board. They have repeatedly said they won't act as police for Israel meaning while they make a deal with Israel they won't enforce that deal on other terrorist groups. So that leaves the question of how do you transfer control to the PA while at the same time guaranteeing Israel's security concerns. Unless you have a better idea it is going to require out side help.
One option is Jordan and that has been passed around but I don't know if Jordan will take the responsibility because ultimately they will likely have to fight the inevitable Palestinian extremists that reject what ever peace plan is agreed upon.- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -7/+5Well, isn't it that Hamas won't accept the three-point issue, #1 of which is recognizing Israel. From what I've read, it's #2 and #3 that are the problem, i.e. honoring all the Fatah agreements and acting as police, as you said.
There's extremists on both sides of this that want this peace initiative to fail more than anything. I do not know how to deal with either except by appealing to the moderates on each side enough that the moderates stick their necks out to quell the extremists. - hadees, on 02/21/2008, -2/+10I don't think them acting as police was part of the three-point issue but if Hamas wants to be in power they HAVE to be the police. As for the agreements, they where made with the Palestinian National Authority and not Fatah. It is like the United States having to honor agreements made during different administrations. The issue you were missing btw was renouncing violence.
I also agree with your second part however I see Hamas as part of those extremists. There are more moderate forces in Hamas' political side but as far as I can see they are totally suppressed by the military wing in Syria. - neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -8/+3Specifically though, telling Hamas to renounce violence is like telling Israel to disband the IDF. If you mean stop firing missiles into Gaza, then I support that definition. If it essentially means for them to surrender to the whims of the IDF, then how in the world would anyone expect them to agree?
Yes, I agree part of Hamas is the extremists for the Gazans.
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -7/+5Well, isn't it that Hamas won't accept the three-point issue, #1 of which is recognizing Israel. From what I've read, it's #2 and #3 that are the problem, i.e. honoring all the Fatah agreements and acting as police, as you said.
- hadees, on 02/21/2008, -3/+10How did you go from what I said to undermining peace negotiations? I am all for negotiating with Hamas however unlike the PA, I don't feel like Hamas is interested in peace. They are influenced far to much by Syria and still have refused to make even meaningless gestures like saying Israel has a right to exist. It isn't like them saying that inherently will force them to change their policies. They could say that, not mean it, and still fire off rockets but they won't take that step. Plus there is more to controlling Palestinian terrorists then getting Hamas on board. They have repeatedly said they won't act as police for Israel meaning while they make a deal with Israel they won't enforce that deal on other terrorist groups. So that leaves the question of how do you transfer control to the PA while at the same time guaranteeing Israel's security concerns. Unless you have a better idea it is going to require out side help.
- firebringer, on 02/20/2008, -3/+8Main problem with Nato is the lack of meaningful contribution from most of the Nation members. Those that do contribute often place quite strong operational restrictions on the forces they do send. There seems to be a tendancy to adopt a 'leave it to the Yanks' approach. There's been talk of a European Army of some sort. I suspect it would be worse with all Nato's failings but without the Yanks to provide the backbone.
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -6/+2But how did NATO get to this current state, and why? It's not like most of Europe suddenly said "Oh, we're gonna shirk our international duties."
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -9/+5Ah I see. Even the former head of Mossad has come out recently and said that Israel has no choice but to negotiate directly with Hamas. People should respect that and get behind these peace negotiations, rather than try to undermine them.
- dlbfromLA, on 02/20/2008, -2/+28NATO, you have got to be kidding me! Did any of y'all see what happened the last time NATO was involved with the protection of the boarder between Israel and Lebanon. In the first place they do not want to be there, and you would probably be better off having the Girl Scouts on patrol.
- neko6, on 02/20/2008, -1/+17That was UNIFIL, although your concern is shared by many Israeli officials according to the article.
- dlbfromLA, on 02/20/2008, -1/+11My bad, you are correct! I have to admit NATO is miles ahead of UNIFIL.
- neko6, on 02/20/2008, -1/+17That was UNIFIL, although your concern is shared by many Israeli officials according to the article.
- eyalfein, on 02/20/2008, -2/+19It's all Jordan's fault. If the Jordanians would have given Israel a tougher fight in 1967, then Israel would have occupied less land from the west bank, and the 'centuries old' Palestinian nationality in this area would not have existed.
- neko6, on 02/20/2008, -4/+18Amusing and yet sad.
Also, if Israel fought like most other nations, they would really occupy the west bank, i.e. kill its inhabitants and annex it. Ironically enough, then there would be no problem and Israel wouldn't be stuck in this mess (judging from the fact that nations that did that aren't daily portrayed as criminal by world media).- ozziedog, on 02/20/2008, -2/+12That is because of the western press. You can do what you want so long as you aren't seen as western. The west holds itself to higher standards save in total war.
- neko6, on 02/20/2008, -7/+11Yeah, its amazing how the world dismisses the 1 million civilians dead in Iraq and Afghanistan (both never attacked the US), while less than 3,000 Palestinian civilians killed by Israel in the last 40 years remain daily headlines (even though it was in defensive moves by Israel).
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -9/+5When the American Public finally finds out about the number of civilians killed in Iraq, and then finds out the REAL reason we went into Iraq in the first place, this little party you've been having will abruptly change and dance to different tune. It's already happening.
- ramo13, on 02/20/2008, -6/+2because of the Western press ? muahaha - tell that one to robert murdoch, baby !
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -0/+6@ neko - are you *REALLY* buying that leftwing propaganda on the casualty figures?
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -9/+5The genocide of 1.5 million people in Gaza alone.
No, other countries do not fight like that. Not since WWII.- firebringer, on 02/20/2008, -1/+8The Arabs in the strip must be breeding quicker than rabbits on viagra and fertility drugs to keep their population figures up if the Israelis have killed that many. Make love not war would take on a new meaning.
- ramo13, on 02/20/2008, -8/+1@firebringer's charming viagra comment
the trick is that once someone (an arab) is killed who was counted as being from Gaza, the much loved dear israeli government just compensates by kicking out some arab from israeli territory to Gaza, very effective, by the way, you must have a very disturbed mind indeed if that is what goes through your head when writing a simple comment. - mmmmmbiscuits, on 02/21/2008, -0/+6There's that flawed Lancet-style math yet again... Keep working on those times tables, neo. Most kids get them by age 12 so there's hope for you yet.
- firebringer, on 02/20/2008, -1/+8The Arabs in the strip must be breeding quicker than rabbits on viagra and fertility drugs to keep their population figures up if the Israelis have killed that many. Make love not war would take on a new meaning.
- ozziedog, on 02/20/2008, -2/+12That is because of the western press. You can do what you want so long as you aren't seen as western. The west holds itself to higher standards save in total war.
- yonoz, on 02/20/2008, -0/+11Say what you like about the Jordanian leadership, they were very glad to let go of the West Bank, but not Jerusalem. If you ever studied the battle of the Ammunition hill, you'd see the Jordanian troops weren't so easy to flush.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ammunit ... - dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -4/+1Palestinians constitute an ethnic group within Jordan, no matter how much you whine about it. Whether the political border of Jordan extends up to the green line or not, Palestinians are from Palestine.
- neko6, on 02/20/2008, -4/+18Amusing and yet sad.
- Erythroxylum, on 02/20/2008, -5/+32Which European countries? Most of them don't have armies, preferring to spend their money on cradle-to-grave-welfare and broken nationalised healthcare.
Israel is much better off defending itself from the terrorists/Palestinians.- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -10/+7Israel created and perpetuates the "terrorist" activities of the Palestinians. There's no going around that fact.
- hadees, on 02/20/2008, -5/+9Palestinians need to start taking responsibility for their own actions.
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -7/+4The 1.5 million refugees with no jobs and no possessions living in an open air prison with almost no food and not enough energy or fuel to move around or keep warm, you mean them?
Seriously, what do you mean when you say "take responsibility?" That's like telling a paraplegic homeless person to "take responsibility." It's just rhetoric designed to somehow make this situation seem equal. It's sort of offensive to hear that. - dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -4/+4@neogognitism:
Close - it would be like that if you were standing on the paraplegic's throat as you said it. - Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -2/+5OMG . . . it's true . . . neo and dino are proof . . . liberal terrorist enablers have Kool-Aid in their veins.
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -4/+1Actually I'm an Islamofascinarconazi, but you were close.
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -7/+4The 1.5 million refugees with no jobs and no possessions living in an open air prison with almost no food and not enough energy or fuel to move around or keep warm, you mean them?
- hadees, on 02/20/2008, -5/+9Palestinians need to start taking responsibility for their own actions.
- ramo13, on 02/20/2008, -10/+4Terrorists/Palestinians ?
a new low....- dinostabOMG, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2Everyone who dugg this comment down is a racist. Contrary to popular propaganda, the vast majority of Palestinians are not terrorists.
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -10/+7Israel created and perpetuates the "terrorist" activities of the Palestinians. There's no going around that fact.
- cashman57, on 02/20/2008, -7/+14Some forget that NATO was invented so the European countries would have us back them militarily against the Soviet Union. In case you forgot, there is no Soviet Union anymore.. We should get out of NATO and stop attacking other countries. We need to end the money give-away to other countries until we get our own budget into balance and then decide if any other country needs our help. I don't know where people think we get enough money to rule the world!. No wonder the dollar is tanking, it is a war currency.
- neko6, on 02/20/2008, -6/+8I'm not sure it isn't in US interest to invest in other nations. I assume US leaders didn't all send money all over the world just for the kicks of it.
Re. attacking other countries - probably correct. Although a nuclear zealot regime such as Iraq or Iran could prove to bring the end of the world as we know it.- LadyKofNYC, on 02/20/2008, -7/+5"""nuclear zealot regime such as Iraq or Iran""
What the ***** are you talking about??? Neither Iraq nor Iran has or has EVER had nuclear weapons. The only nuclear armed country in the Middle East is Israel.- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -5/+4I know! It truly frightens me that extremists like neko6 might actually believe what they're saying.
There was a member of the Israeli parliament that quoted the Talmud yesterday and said that gays were responsible for the earthquake that hit Israel recently. I am not even exaggerating! I wonder if he gets to hold the red button?
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -5/+4I know! It truly frightens me that extremists like neko6 might actually believe what they're saying.
- LadyKofNYC, on 02/20/2008, -7/+5"""nuclear zealot regime such as Iraq or Iran""
- neko6, on 02/20/2008, -6/+8I'm not sure it isn't in US interest to invest in other nations. I assume US leaders didn't all send money all over the world just for the kicks of it.
- Indyanna, on 02/20/2008, -11/+12FTA: "...the deployment of a multinational force ..."
Recorded in Luke 21:20-27, Jesus said -
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is at hand...in order that all things which are written [in Scripture] may be fulfilled. ...and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles...And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and upon the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves.
Just sayin'...- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -8/+3Common mistake. Back then "Jerusalem" and the "Gentiles" were a couple of popular rock bands, and the word "armies" is a bad translation of "fans."
- ramo13, on 02/20/2008, -7/+2Blessed are the cheese-makers.
- weeFred, on 02/20/2008, -6/+2quiet big nose
- ramo13, on 02/20/2008, -4/+1can i go to the stoning now ?
- weeFred, on 02/20/2008, -6/+2quiet big nose
- ozziedog, on 02/20/2008, -4/+15NATO is not enough for Afghanistan. Germans won't fight. Italians and Spanish won't and can't fight. The French are the only big guys on the continent showing some gumption. Most of the Nordic countries are knitting sweaters. Only the English speaking peoples seem to have the will to fight (including the Dutch and French Canadians). Nato could be enough for Afghanistan if it had more gumption. Gen. James Jones is delusional about sending NATO to Palestine.
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -9/+4Hey ozziedog, what about you? You clearly have the will to fight, so when will you either be deploying here, or going to do your IDF service?
- mmmmmbiscuits, on 02/21/2008, -2/+6How are your volunteer fireman duties coming along, neo?
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -5/+2Stupid response, kid. You should start planning your IDF service soon, kid. You're turning 18 in, what 4-6 years?
- ozziedog, on 11/10/2008, -0/+1I dugg you up one. Good comeback.
- mmmmmbiscuits, on 02/21/2008, -2/+6How are your volunteer fireman duties coming along, neo?
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -9/+4Hey ozziedog, what about you? You clearly have the will to fight, so when will you either be deploying here, or going to do your IDF service?
- victorypup, on 02/20/2008, -7/+21I will continue to say, Leave Israel alone. America insists on dividing Israel to her own hurt. Do not divide Israel, leave Israel alone. no land for peace. Israel, order up another ship load of D9's and expand your borders.
- neko6, on 02/20/2008, -7/+14Israel should withdraw to 1967 borders unilaterally and declare end of conflict. But if a single bomb or rocket falls on Israel after this move, Israel napalms all Palestinian land and end this stupid conflict once and for all. Maybe under threat of annihilation the Palestinians would agree to peace - and if not, too bad for them.
- dlbfromLA, on 02/20/2008, -5/+18That sounds good, but you might as well start loading the bombers and fueling them up now, there will never be peace in Israel because the Palestinians and the rest of the Muslim world don't want it!
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -13/+6Yeah, kill those ***** sub-human roaches! It's not genocide because they are only worth 3/5 of a normal human! Am I right my antigentile brother?
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -5/+4Yeah, they would just make sure to digg Hitler down, even though he made some good points in their view -- he's just not on their particular team.
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -13/+7Yeah that's really brilliant. Nuke 'em from orbit, it's the only way to be sure 1.5 million defenseless concentration-camp prisoners are killed.
- LadyKofNYC, on 02/20/2008, -10/+6And that single bomb WILL fall on Israel because ""By Way Of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War""
- dlbfromLA, on 02/20/2008, -5/+18That sounds good, but you might as well start loading the bombers and fueling them up now, there will never be peace in Israel because the Palestinians and the rest of the Muslim world don't want it!
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -13/+7Israel needs YOU to leave her alone, you insane ultranationalist. That you "support" Israel is entirely incidental. If you were born an Arab you would be Nasrallah. If you were born in Italy a few score years back, you would have backed Mussolini. It's just your personality type, and perhaps something you went through in childhood.
- neko6, on 02/20/2008, -7/+14Israel should withdraw to 1967 borders unilaterally and declare end of conflict. But if a single bomb or rocket falls on Israel after this move, Israel napalms all Palestinian land and end this stupid conflict once and for all. Maybe under threat of annihilation the Palestinians would agree to peace - and if not, too bad for them.
- Pitofdoom, on 02/20/2008, -12/+8Keep trying to divide Israel (especially Jerusalem) and we'll wish for a little secular WW3 instead.
Zach 1:14 Thus says the Lord of hosts : I am exceedingly jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion. And I am very angry with the nations that are at ease; for while I was angry but a little they furthered the disaster.- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -11/+7You little scumbag, you can't do a damn thing about it. You're the image of impotence. Watch Olmert be a real man and pursue peace while crazy antigentilic children like you sit and seethe. And don't ever quote scripture around here again, until you read the rest of the words, you moron!
And why don't you go do your IDF service, you coward? Do you have some "condition?" - ramo13, on 02/20/2008, -9/+2Ego Te Absolvo, Per Iesum Christum dominum nostrum, Amen. omnibus donis quae de tua beneficentia accepturi simus.
- NPodhoretz14, on 02/21/2008, -6/+3English *****! Do you speak it?
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -11/+7You little scumbag, you can't do a damn thing about it. You're the image of impotence. Watch Olmert be a real man and pursue peace while crazy antigentilic children like you sit and seethe. And don't ever quote scripture around here again, until you read the rest of the words, you moron!
- mtg1287, on 02/20/2008, -10/+4NATO - North Atlanta Treaty Organization. established as a defense measure against large scale attacks. I'm pretty sure no member state is or is going to be under attack.
- Indyanna, on 02/21/2008, -1/+4And I'm pretty sure Atlanta is not a member state.
- vault, on 02/21/2008, -1/+4Bringing peace to Northern Georgia since 1949 :-)
- Iconoclast25, on 02/21/2008, -0/+3I'd call you a dumbass liberal, but it would be redundant and you've already established your credentials on your own.
- Indyanna, on 02/21/2008, -1/+4And I'm pretty sure Atlanta is not a member state.
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -14/+7ANTIGENTILE
ANTIGENTILIC
ANTIGENTILISM
These words describe a lot of the posts on this story I have seen. You disgust me, and moreover YOU CHICKENHAWKS DO NOT REPRESENT ISRAELI OPINION.- mmmmmbiscuits, on 02/21/2008, -3/+6Epic meme fail.
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -8/+2Go to bed! No more books read to you tonight, bad boy!
btw,
kein anu yecholim!
kein anu yecholim!
kein anu yecholim!
hows that for a meme?
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -8/+2Go to bed! No more books read to you tonight, bad boy!
- mmmmmbiscuits, on 02/21/2008, -3/+6Epic meme fail.
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -14/+7Digg this down if you enjoy joking about committing genocide to the Palestinians!
Digg this down if you also refuse to see the parallels to the Jewish Holocaust!
Digg this down if you also would rather (have someone else beside yourselves) kill 1.5 million Arabs rather than divide Jerusalem!
Congrats! You have firmly placed yourselves on the fringes of Israeli opinion!- Tangaroa, on 02/21/2008, -2/+9Reported for describing Israeli withdrawal from land and peace talks with the Palestinians as "parallel to the Jewish Holocaust"
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -6/+2Oh, I should have been specific. My apologies. Here is version 1.1
Digg this down if you also refuse to see the parallels between the current genocide in Gaza and the genocide of the Jewish Holocaust!
You are being offensive for trying to violate my rights and silence me and deliberately misconstrue my words.
You are being offensive by acting like your extreme ultra-nationalist views represent the peaceful people of Israel.
You are being offensive for belittling and denying the systematic genocide of the Gazan people. GENOCIDE DENIAL.
For these reasons I am reporting you.
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -6/+2Oh, I should have been specific. My apologies. Here is version 1.1
- Tangaroa, on 02/21/2008, -2/+9Reported for describing Israeli withdrawal from land and peace talks with the Palestinians as "parallel to the Jewish Holocaust"
- foopirata, on 02/20/2008, -8/+19Digg this up if you believe the Israelis and the Palestinians can live in peace.
Digg this up if you believe that people with no notion of the conflict or of the past (like those drawing parallels to the Holocaust) need to get a clue, and fast.
Digg this up if you would rather not have any dead Arab, or dead Israeli, and believe that East Jerusalem and West Jerusalem can be capitals to two states for two people.
Digg this up if you rather believe in historical fact than in revisionist fallacy.
Digg this up if you value reality and pragmatism over propaganda and emotional appeals.
Congrats! You have firmly distanced yourself from the likes of neocognitism, and joined the field of those that think peace is possible, if logical thinking prevails on both sides of the border, but don't believe that one side should give constantly and get rockets in return.
To follow, a string of four-letter expletives from the other side of the train track.- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -16/+4Awww you're still following me, how flattering! You are a cute one! Thanks for the parody, I'm digging it up, because it's funny AND because I agree with it! But rest assured, if you would bother to look, most of the people posting here are gonna digg your ass down. See what happens -- I'd be happy to see it dugg up. And it's nice to see you advocating for peace. Keep it up!
- foopirata, on 02/20/2008, -6/+15There are 64 comments so far, the poster is a friend of mine, and you think that what brought me here was you? It seems that you also have delusions of grandeur.
Better have that checked.- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -15/+4Coy and shy too! You are a clever one! As long as you understand I don't swing that way, I appreciate the attention.
- foopirata, on 02/20/2008, -4/+12For the amount of times you incur in gay-related comments, one would be justified to think you got more than a skeleton and a Tom Cruise in the closet as well.
Fascinating study in a perturbed psyche, you. Thanks for the amusement.- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -11/+2Here you go, saying the word "gay," mentioning Tom Cruise, hmm. It's safe you know, you really can "come out" to us.
And I *think* you were trying to say *disturbed* psyche, or maybe you weren't cuz U R A FOOL, FARK-STYLE. - foopirata, on 02/21/2008, -2/+10Perhaps you should learn a bit more of the art of discussion before attempting it on a public forum. It works like this: you say gay, I call you on being on the closet, you don't get to use the same sentence I used to throw it on me. It sounds infantile.
As to "perturbed", it seems you need to learn your own language before you go pointing fingers at someone whose English is just his 4th:
perturbed
adjective
thrown into a state of agitated confusion; ('rattled' is an informal term) [syn: flustered]
WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.
In suma, a psyche in a state of agitated confusion: yours. - neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -10/+3Oh, I understand what perturbed means, Mr. Closetius Foobuttpirata, it just isn't a word you would put in front of "psyche," in standard English, anyway.
- foopirata, on 02/21/2008, -0/+7Yes, by the level of your answers it is easy to see that higher forms of writing escape you.
And oh, such intelligent retort there with the play on my nickname, I am sure all the girls in 4th grade think you're the man.
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -11/+2Here you go, saying the word "gay," mentioning Tom Cruise, hmm. It's safe you know, you really can "come out" to us.
- foopirata, on 02/20/2008, -6/+15There are 64 comments so far, the poster is a friend of mine, and you think that what brought me here was you? It seems that you also have delusions of grandeur.
- neocognitism, on 02/20/2008, -16/+4Awww you're still following me, how flattering! You are a cute one! Thanks for the parody, I'm digging it up, because it's funny AND because I agree with it! But rest assured, if you would bother to look, most of the people posting here are gonna digg your ass down. See what happens -- I'd be happy to see it dugg up. And it's nice to see you advocating for peace. Keep it up!
- GeorgeWKush, on 02/20/2008, -14/+6We should deploy our troops in Israel. ***** ISRAEL. ( I don't hate Jews, just the neocon militant jews )
- rdsbob, on 02/21/2008, -4/+4Not sure why Nato is needed, if they want send some American troops... then if Canada wants... they can send some troops... not sure if it is a direct NATO issue...
- neocognitism, on 02/21/2008, -12/+4Digg this comment down if you are registered at GIYUS.ORG and/or for the Megaphone software!
also, I have a new chant for you all:
kein anu yecholim!
kein anu yecholim!
kein anu yecholim! - aerostar, on 02/21/2008, -5/+6Wow... what a bunch of mutual hate, I find here. Everybody digging down everybody else. The whole purpose of this format is "DEBATE" -- The sincere exchange of ideas and perspective... and NOT the exchange of expletives.
As my college prof wrote on the chalkboard, many years ago... "Profanity & vulgarity are the Supreme Effort of a Feeble Mind to express itself Forcefully."
If each of you (on BOTH sides of this argument) would study the issues & cultivate an academic understanding of the issues, then you would have the skills to champion your causes. But merely cursing each other & digging down the opposition, exposes you for the mental lightweights that you are.
I pity you... arguing about personality, while innocent children are being savaged & killed. Shame on you for confusing the issues!- alcornmj, on 02/21/2008, -3/+2"Profanity is a linguistic crutch for the inarticulate mother-@#%"
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