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- dalittle, on 03/09/2009, -122/+580Uhh, so does Judaism and Christianity. The only wide spread non-violent religion I can think of is Buddhism.
- geekuskhan, on 03/09/2009, -38/+345There are hundreds of millions of Muslims that live and let live in peace. Many many more than those that commit acts of violence.
Just like anything else it is the radical elements that get all of the attention. - howyudoin, on 03/09/2009, -3/+220This isn't a very good source in my opinion, but take this example:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/a ...
I actually thought the same way as you do, but when I brought that up in a conversation with my mom (who is, coincidentally, South Korean), she just laughed and explained to me the buddhist riots in Korea and China.
What I essentially learned from that conversation was that no matter what you follow (including atheists/agnostics as well), there will always be crazies. Always. There are people of every religion who are completely peaceful and can respect others without problem, but it's not like those people are covered by the news on a frequent basis- it's just so much easier for them to report on the radicals who spout intolerance. - kilimangaro, on 03/09/2009, -99/+269Many Christians or Jews seem to believe that it is OK to teach hatred and violence in the name of their religion...
- TheGreatZarquon, on 03/09/2009, -10/+166I predict a calm, rational debate about religion's virtues and shortcomings in this thread, right before the ***** hits the fan and it balloons into a 350-comment flamewar.
- MaxxusFlamus, on 03/09/2009, -74/+225It'd also help if the Jews didn't bulldoze palestinian settlements because "god gave it to us"
Everybody is wrong in this and everybody needs to stfu with the hating. - DrJen, on 03/09/2009, -17/+151FTA: The second mistake was to blame the messenger -- punishing, so to speak, the witness who exposed the crime instead of punishing the criminal.
- inactive, on 03/09/2009, -91/+209There was some dude by the name of Joseph Stalin. He killed over 700,000 people. He was an atheist. Therefore all atheists are guilty by association.
Get over yourselves you ***** *****. Islam doesn't have to prove *****, Muslims who practice it do.
comes to no surprise that a zionist is submitting this article. I don't have anything against Jews, but I find it funny how many double standards they express.
I think some people need to take a look at Jewish supported intolerance and bigotry. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cb_1235986948 - yonoz, on 03/09/2009, -13/+117For some reason, I think calling their prophet a cave stooge isn't helping.
- ElGubrush, on 03/09/2009, -33/+97You know, having this submitted by IsraeliGirl really makes it clear this is a biased argument.
Don't get me wrong, I've been to Israel and there was a suicide bombing two blocks away from my hotel, but I've also seen how the Palestinians are kept in inhumane conditions with no way out. It just so happens that I root for the underdog, and if you have enough power to cage a whole people, you are no underdog, so I feel more sorry for the Palestinians. - inactive, on 03/09/2009, -22/+83Jesus never did
- nickblooruk, on 03/09/2009, -17/+77Even Buddhism has its violent trends. Not everybody who has followed 'Kung Fu' had peace in mind.
Although it's roots are peaceful, but so is Christianity. One can argue that the followers are violent. - aimhelix, on 03/09/2009, -20/+78I think all religions still need to prove they are a religion of peace. In essence, they all are. But for each and every religion are nut jobs who *take things too literally* and give everyone else a bad name.
- yonoz, on 03/09/2009, -39/+96For anyone wishing to hear more sane Arab and Muslim voices: http://www.memritv.org/subject/en/66.htm
- SaintStryfe, on 03/09/2009, -28/+79WSJ needs to prove it's a valid news source again.
- Ciryon, on 03/09/2009, -24/+66Could atheists have carried out 9/11?
Could atheist have carried out the crusades?
Stalin didn't justify his action because of his lack of belief. Religious people do justify their actions because of their belief.
Get out of your cave. - inactive, on 03/09/2009, -31/+73Prove any religion is a religion of peace.
- rameznabel, on 03/09/2009, -22/+62i live in arab word and i confirm islam is is NOT religion of Peace , but let me admit and explain something that some people can be muslim and good person but when it's comes to the islam as political issues it sucks and destroy the culture system of any country like mine egypt
- Grazfather, on 03/09/2009, -23/+62Most muslims aren't terrorists, but most terrorists are muslim.
- judicar, on 03/09/2009, -20/+59Show me one example of where Christ ever taught violence, bigotry or hatred.
- pintomp3, on 03/09/2009, -39/+75The myth of Muslim support for terror
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0223/p09s01-coop.htm ... - drmangrum, on 03/09/2009, -1/+37The problem with quoting individual verses of any religious text, it usually gets taken completely out of context.
- jerrycan, on 03/09/2009, -3/+38KKK?
IRA?
Lord's Resistance Army?
Army of God? - Semblance, on 03/09/2009, -37/+72If that is true, then so does Christianity.
- flammablewater, on 03/09/2009, -2/+36Yes those can be mutually exclusive
- inactive, on 03/09/2009, -17/+51"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." -Jesus
- AntoniusMaximus, on 03/09/2009, -2/+35Check your posts, man. The above mess made me skip right through without considering your potentially valid arguments.
- greenlightison, on 03/09/2009, -1/+34quakers too
- sapo916, on 03/09/2009, -3/+35A peaceful example would be me, my friends, my family, and most people in my school and community. You will never see me in the news being normal since the news doesn't care about that. Even then, I doubt they would even know what I am, since obviously I would need a beard and a turban instead of my regular clothes.
- Gguillorn, on 03/09/2009, -5/+34I'm pretty sure he was responsible for many more deaths than that. Like, millions more.
- drmangrum, on 03/09/2009, -2/+31Entropy...I think you have no clue what Christian means. To be Christian means to live in the way of Christ. By extension, if Christ never preached violence, neither should true Christians. Of course, the Christian world is woefully underpopulated by true Christians.
FYI. I'm an Atheist. - poppyrich, on 03/09/2009, -10/+38"Scholars in the most prestigious Islamic institutes and universities continue to teach things like Jews are "pigs and monkeys," that women and men must be stoned to death for adultery..."
Only the women are stoned for adultery, leaving the house unaccompanied by a man, smiling at an unrelated man and other incredible reasons. There was a news article today about a 75 year old Syrian woman in Saudi Arabia who has been sentenced to 40 lashes and deportation for 'mingling' - having 2 unrelated men over at her house.
This is the problem with organised religion as opposed to faith and spirituality, and the main reason why so many people are increasingly choosing to be atheist. The religious leaders twist the teachings and add their own interpretation in order to further their own agenda - power over the masses. Religion is a multi-million dollar industry. - Myonosken, on 03/09/2009, -0/+28Yeah this is Digg. You won't get the rational debate- just two replies which are "Religion of peace LOL. Islam should be stopped" and "Christianity is as bad".
- MisterEX, on 03/09/2009, -1/+29You are exactly right. It's easy to make religion the scape goat, but face it, there are extremists in every form of ideas and beliefs.
It's so easy to sit back and say, "Without religion, there would be no war."
Wars are not started by religion, but rather used as a means to fuel the popularity. Wars are started by the greed of man and its hunger for power and control. Remove religion, and man will find another way to manipulate the masses into killing each other to gain power and control. - TheLee, on 03/09/2009, -5/+31How about the > 1 billion muslims who *don't* practice terrorism? What about Indonesia, a largely muslim and now largely stable, democratic developing nation?
There are Christian and Jewish people who commit acts of extremism (KKK, what was once the IRA, arguably the israeli state), but that doesn't mean that all the non-extreme religious people have to constantly prove that their religion is one of peace; ie - should people implicate figures like Jon Stewart, Steven Spielberg, etc for international-grey-area misdeeds by Israel in the Gaza strip? no! so why implicate all muslims just for what a inscrutably tiny minority do? - RondaWithoutaH, on 03/09/2009, -41/+67That is what I have been looking for. I can't find anyone to give me peaceful examples.
- Gguillorn, on 03/09/2009, -5/+30You can also look at the bible and conclude that all christians must be vengeful bloodthirsty people. The literal documents do no serve to represent the followers.
- pintomp3, on 03/09/2009, -8/+32"Old Testament != Christians" Funny how they refer to it when bashing gays though.
- rottencod, on 03/09/2009, -4/+27The difference between Islam and Christianity is that the West has (largely) outgrown the tyrannical and violent teachings of the Old Testament, while the Middle East is still ruled by Medieval-era religious intolerance and subjugation. Most religions have dark pasts and have been used to further insufferable oppression, but Islam is still doing it today.
- yonoz, on 03/09/2009, -3/+26Punishing the messenger, the message, the people, and most of all - the quest for truth.
A lot of people need to read John Stuart Mill's "On Liberty". - MrHappyMan, on 03/09/2009, -2/+25Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people.
They killed before institutionalised religion existed and will continue to kill whether religion dissapears into insignificance or not. - omega09, on 03/09/2009, -19/+42"Islam" has nothing to do with it, it's merely a label and justification for political and self-serving ends of those in power - just like "Capitalism" "Christianity" "Communism" "Democracy" "Socialism"
If we are basing it on the amount of violence, then I think the US needs to prove it's a nation of peace, so far there's been far more mid east civilians killed in the name of "Democracy" than US civilians killed in the name of "Islam" - zinc6471, on 03/09/2009, -8/+30Jesus Christ stated in Matthew 12:30 that "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters."
- daschupa, on 03/09/2009, -7/+28And so do atheists as long as we are being irrational (China got some splainin to do).
I don't think people get that there are always people who will kill over their beliefs, be it in a prophet or that the Mets are the best team ever. It's human nature. - mk47k, on 03/09/2009, -7/+27LOL at submitter name:"israeligirl"
- 5r4r3r2r1r, on 03/09/2009, -3/+23JesusTeaseUs .... It's not a "damn" book, but it sure has a message of damnation in it.
Before you offer an illustration for you point, make sure you understand what you're saying. This passage in Revelation indicates that God Himself will be rendering judgment. God tells believers that the matter of justice or vengeance is His and His alone. Believers are not to take matters into their own hands. The only "legal" method to handle matters outside of God taking care of it Himself is through an appropriate gov't agency (Romans 13), so it's okay for the authorities to render justice.
Christ did not teach violence, bigotry, or hatred. All men/women are equal in God's eyes, but that doesn't mean judgement is lacking for the choices that people make. God will render that justice, not believers. - Rain12913, on 03/09/2009, -1/+21The dictionary is your friend.
Arab: a member of a Semitic people inhabiting Arabia and other countries of the Middle East
Muslim: an adherent of Islam - thesonofdarwin, on 03/09/2009, -6/+25Most American-viewed terrorists are Muslim. I think other cultures might argue that it is another culture that spends its time terrorizing others. The terrorist label is subjective, not objective.
- zinc6471, on 03/09/2009, -13/+32 * Jesus Christ stated in Matthew 12:30 that "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters."
* Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, in a speech discussing the Chief Committee for Political Education, told the assembled delegates that "It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco." [3]
* George Orwell wrote in his 1942 essay "Pacifism and the War", "If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’. The idea that you can somehow remain aloof from and superior to the struggle, while living on food which British sailors have to risk their lives to bring you, is a bourgeois illusion bred of money and security."
* Benito Mussolini declared in speeches across fascist Italy: "O con noi o contro di noi"--You're either with us or against us.
* Hillary Clinton said on September 13, 2001: "Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price." [4]
* President George W. Bush, in an address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001 said, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."[5]
do you see a trend? - aDJsavedmylife, on 03/09/2009, -5/+24Yeah, but the difference is Stalin didn't do the things BECAUSE he was an Atheist or in the name of Atheism or justify his actions by his atheism, that is the difference. His non-belief in God is merely incidental to his actions NOT consequential.
Whereas the murderous actions of fundamentalist religious types ARE because of their beliefs not just incidental to their beliefs.
That aside, you could argue Stalin did the the things he did because of his dogmatic, irrational almost religious beliefs. It's worth noting that no society has failed from being too rational. -
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