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Is Revelation 17 about the Roman Catholic Church???
alvinsu.multiply.com — VERY convincing article regarding who's who in Revelation 17...While I can't say for sure, I will say much evidence exists that points to the claims of this article!
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- feenstrovski, on 10/14/2008, -1/+5Revelation is a Book of Gods plan for the earth and our salvation. We should not be to quick to draw connections and say that we have figured it out. The references in chapter 17 may point to the Catholic Church, but it points to the entire world as well.
- ChristNewsWatch, on 10/15/2008, -1/+2True... and that what I said in my original "shout"... was that the info looks pretty convincing, but that obviously I couldn't say for sure.
I don't think any of us humans have it all figured out! :)- 4Christ, on 11/14/2008, -1/+1I do think it is. Every bible study I have done of the Book of Revelation? That's what the teacher has stated. Rather that is exactly where the facts have led. No other religion fits this so perfectly as the Roman Catholic Church.
- ChristNewsWatch, on 10/15/2008, -1/+2True... and that what I said in my original "shout"... was that the info looks pretty convincing, but that obviously I couldn't say for sure.
- ramiro, on 10/14/2008, -2/+6That photo of the Pope kissing the Koran is upsetting.
- SampleX, on 10/15/2008, -3/+3Why?
Why would it upset you that the high priest of a pagan cult which had fraudulenlty adopted a veneer of 10% Christianity on ancient pagan Babylonian and Egyptian religious occultism would kiss the Quran?
More to the point, why would it surprise you? Have you not read Revelation? Do you not realise what an abomination the Catholic church is to God, and that God is calling all Catholics to repent, sever their ties to Babylon, and come to know Christ through the Biblical Gospel, abandoning all their old pagan rituals, ceremonies, vain prayers, and liturgies, not to mention all the Satanic doctrines.
Given that Satan has control of the Vatican, why would it surprise you that, as Revelation prophecies, he would amalgamate his pet religions at which he is the ultimate head, into a global religious order?- hope4god, on 10/23/2008, -2/+1Catholics with the prayer to the Virgin Mary which seems to be the focus of their Salvation along with the Pope, and the current Priest Molestations, has always concerned me. Catholics that I know always go to Mass on Easter and Christmas and then seem to disappear all year long in between. Im not trying to say they are not Godly people because I have known some through the years that do so much for the poor and care for the sick. I wish that the true Focus, should always be a Desire to serve The Lord, and to follow the bible, to certainly not put your faith into any man, The Pope is just a man not the "Holy Father'' and that" The Heavenly Father" is the true God of our lives, and that God is to be as a way of life, and that all of us are saved by The Grace of God and his Son Jesus who died on the Cross for our Sins,and rose again and is seated at the right hand of God.
- SampleX, on 10/15/2008, -3/+3Why?
- 911ArtStudent, on 11/14/2008, -4/+3The great whore sounds like a metaphor for Zionist power.
WHEN JESUS CHRIST said to his disciples, “I have chosen you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should remain,” Christians were sealed as God’s Chosen People for all time.
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http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=239- bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -3/+3@911ArtStudent -- I have question to ask you about Jesus. (For the purpose of this question, "all" means not just you, but all Christians.)
What do all Christians really think of Jesus? (Please explain your understanding of how each branch of Christianity (i.e., Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Baptist, etc., thinks - I am also interesting in Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, if you consider them Christians.) Thanks so much.- bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -3/+2@911ArtStudent - Interesting to see that you still have the user "Christ Pissed" as one of your friends. You know, the one whose avatar is that so-called "work of art" abomination known as "Piss Christ" - a photo by Andres Serrano depicting a crucifix (a cross with Jesus on it) submerged in a jar of the artist's own urine. If you're such a great defender of Jesus, don't you think that it is kind of strange to have someone with that sort of blasphemous picture as an avatar?
- 911ArtStudent, on 11/14/2008, -2/+3By the time of Christ, Judaism was based on the “Oral Law.” The New Testament speaks of this as the “traditions of the elders.” Jesus Christ denounced and condemned the “traditions of the elders” in the Gospel of John Chapter 5 and in the Gospel of Mark Chapter 7. after the Jewish leadership crucified Jesus Christ, and their subsequent killings and persecution of Christians throughout the Roman world, the rabbis committed to writing the “traditions of the elders” which formed the first part of the Talmud called the Mishnah.
Rabbis teach that the revelation granted to Moses had been delivered in two forms, a smaller revelation in writing, and the larger one kept oral.
The rabbis claim that the so-called “oral revelation” had been transmitted by the leaders of each generation to their successors—by Moses to Joshua; and then to the elders; to the prophets; to the men of the Sanhedrin; to the leaders of the Pharisees; and finally to the earliest rabbis who saw themselves as heirs of the Pharisees.
This supposed transmission of the Oral Law, the “tradition of the elders,” was challenged by Jesus who termed it “commandments of men which nullify the Word of God.”
Thus Jesus made the tale of the transmission a fraud. It is a lie concocted in hell to claim that Moses issued two sets of law, one written and public - the other oral and secret. In the entire Bible there is nothing to support this imposture. The spurious claim of an oral “tradition of the elders” bequeathed by God to Moses is anti-Biblical, just as Jesus asserted.
Christ very simply illuminated the fact that if the Pharisaic tradition had indeed been from Moses, then they would have become Christians. For Christ rebuked them saying, “Had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed Me, for he wrote of Me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe My words?”
Jesus annihilated in one stroke the basis for the religion of Judaism and its conceit of an oral tradition given to it by Moses. For had such a tradition existed it would have testified of Jesus the Messiah. Instead, Christ tells them point blank that they do not follow Moses. The main tenet of Judaism is Jewish self-worship. Judaism has as its “god,” not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but the worship of the Jewish people.
Jewish self-worship is at the core of the Talmud. The secularist amongst them shares in this self-worship. For the Talmud teaches that the Gentile is a lower form of humanity. They all believe that they have this special-ness about them, believing the myth that they, not the Christians, are the “chosen people.”
Coupled with the false notion that they are the “chosen people” - regardless of their unethical conduct, their gross distortions of the God of the Bible, their unbelief, their hatred of Biblical Christian culture, (which has afforded them asylum in Christian nations), and their persistent rejection of Jesus the Messiah - the Talmud teaches that those within Judaism are of a higher form of humanity than others. For they pray both in the synagogue and in their homes, “I thank Thee O God that Thou has not made me a Gentile.”
The Talmud indeed blasphemes Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary. Tractate Sanhedrin 106a says that Jesus’ mother was a harlot: “She who was a descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters.” Also in Tractate Shabbath 104b of the Talmud, it is stated: “Miriam the hairdresser had sex with many men.”
As regard the Talmud’s treatment of Jesus Christ, Tractates Sanhedrin 107b and Sotah 47a say: “Jesus was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone and brick, was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent.” And even a more vile blasphemy is written in Tractate Gitten 57: “Jesus is in hell, being boiled in hot excrement.”
Christians must understand that the religion of Judaism is anti-Biblical. The true religion of the God of Israel is Christianity not Judaism. Judaism is simply a perversion of God’s original revelation to the Hebrew nation–it is the very religion of nullification of the Old Testament.
Now what fellowship has light with darkness? What fellowship has Christ with Belial? What fellowship has the true worship of God with idols and “Judaism’s strange gods?” None! - bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -3/+3@911ArtStudent - I note that you avoided my question, "What do all Christians really think of Jesus? (Please explain your understanding of how each branch of Christianity (i.e., Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Baptist, etc., thinks - I am also interesting in Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, if you consider them Christians.) Thanks so much."
Additionally, you write, in the penultimate paragraph of the comment immediately above this one, "The true religion of the God of Israel is Christianity not Judaism." The notion of God having a religion strikes me as absurd, but you seem to know a lot about Christianity so please enlighten me about something: why would God have a religion? - 911ArtStudent, on 11/14/2008, -4/+2Jesus is the Messiah and you are a heretic who practices a bigoted tribal religion of self-worship and deceit. Christianity is God's religion. Yours is not. Enough said.
- onetimer, on 11/14/2008, -3/+3...and 911artstudent finally outs himself.
Well, this DOES explain alot.
911artstudent: Get this. Jesus was not a Messiah, but just a regular man, if he even existed at all.
Does it bother you that Jesus (if he existed) was a Jew? - 911ArtStudent, on 11/14/2008, -4/+3Judaism is based on the oral tradition which was practiced by the Pharisees. Christ reject the pharisees and their bigoted tribal teachings. He called them heretics and was crucified for speaking the truth.
To imply that Jesus was a Jew (by religion) rather than a Judean by ethnicity is a blasphemous conflation of the truth. As I explained, Jesus rejected the vile blasphemies of the oral tradition and rebuked the elders upon which your faith is founded onetimer. Jesus was a Christian and he was crucified by the judgment of the heretical Jewish Pharisees of the Sanhedrin.
But even you can be saved if you repent and accept His word. - bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -3/+3But 911ArtStudent - again you ignored my questions. Please be so kind as to answer. If you can't answer on your own, may I call your attention to someone named Brother Nathaneal. A gentleman named NPodhoretz14 once kindly called my attention to him. Do you know this NPodhoretz14 fellow? It seems that you and he share many similar interests.
As for my heresy, perhaps a rabbi should address that issue, and not you. A bit presumptuous on your part, I think.
Anyway, here are the questions again:
@911ArtStudent - I note that you avoided my question, "What do all Christians really think of Jesus? (Please explain your understanding of how each branch of Christianity (i.e., Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Baptist, etc., thinks - I am also interesting in Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, if you consider them Christians.) Thanks so much."
Additionally, you write, in the penultimate paragraph of the comment immediately above this one, "The true religion of the God of Israel is Christianity not Judaism." The notion of God having a religion strikes me as absurd, but you seem to know a lot about Christianity so please enlighten me about something: why would God have a religion? - onetimer, on 11/14/2008, -3/+3911artstudent, do you think I am destined for eternal damnation in hell simply for "rejecting" jesus?
Funny that NPodhoretz fellow. Stopped posting right around the time 911artstudent got his account back... - bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -1/+3@onetimer - Now that you mention it, NPodhoretz14 did stop posting right around the time that 911TheologyStudent -- ooops, I mean 911ArtStudent -- reappeared. Hmmmm. You may be on to something.
- bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -3/+2@911ArtStudent - Interesting to see that you still have the user "Christ Pissed" as one of your friends. You know, the one whose avatar is that so-called "work of art" abomination known as "Piss Christ" - a photo by Andres Serrano depicting a crucifix (a cross with Jesus on it) submerged in a jar of the artist's own urine. If you're such a great defender of Jesus, don't you think that it is kind of strange to have someone with that sort of blasphemous picture as an avatar?
- bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -3/+3@911ArtStudent -- I have question to ask you about Jesus. (For the purpose of this question, "all" means not just you, but all Christians.)
- 911ArtStudent, on 11/14/2008, -2/+1Also, whoever wrote this piece has no idea why Christians were fed to the Lions. The Caesar's Jewess wife demanded that Christians be fed to the lions. The official excuse was that Christians would accept no other Roman gods as their own. Jews however were exempt from such persecution and they were spectators to the events where Christians were fed to the lions along with the Roman citizens, the Caesar, and his wife.
- 911ArtStudent, on 11/14/2008, -7/+4JEWS HAVE BEGUILED Zionist-Christians into believing that they, the Jews, are God’s “chosen people.”
Jews tell Zionist-Christians that when God said to Abraham, “I will bless those who bless thee,” that He would withhold His blessings upon Christians unless they support Israel! How utterly unbiblical!
Are Christians to bless the murderers and blasphemers of Jesus Christ?
St John the Baptist did not teach an unconditional blessing upon the Jews when he rebuked them, saying, “Do not say you have Abraham for your father, for God is able to raise up from these stones sons of Abraham.” (Matthew 3).
St Peter did not teach an unconditional blessing upon the Jews when he rebuked them, saying, “You crucified the Lord of glory and must repent and be baptized.” (Acts 2).
THE BIBLE TEACHES that the Christian Church is the “Israel of God” *not* Jews. St Paul wrote in his Epistle To The Romans: “They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” The true Israel are the Christians who have embraced the coming of the Messiah Jesus. The false Israel are the Jews who rejected the coming of the Messiah Jesus.
St Paul designates 3 classes of people:
1) The Jews: Rejecters of God & His Promises.
2) The Gentiles: Rejecters of God & the Bible.
3) The Israel of God: The Christian Church. (I Cor 10; Galatians 6)
And St Paul teaches that the Christians are the seed of Abraham *not* Jews, saying, “If ye are Christ’s then are ye Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” (Romans 3)
ZIONIST-CHRISTIANS SUPPORT THE MURDER of Arab children. The Lord Jesus Christ warned: “Whosoever shall offend one of these little ones it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.” (St Mark 9).
On January 31 2008, Amnesty International reported:
— “Of some 1,190 people killed in Israel’s Lebanon invasion of 2006, the vast majority were civilians not involved in the hostilities, among them hundreds of children. The majority of properties targeted in Israeli strikes were likewise civilian.” — Here.
To be a Christian is to care for Christ’s little ones. The Jews look upon Christ’s little ones as sub-humans, as taught by their hate-filled Talmud. We who confess to be Christians must rebuke the Jews and demand that they repent!- bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -4/+5@911ArtStudent - You write: "Jews tell Zionist-Christians that when God said to Abraham, “I will bless those who bless thee,” that He would withhold His blessings upon Christians unless they support Israel!"
Which Jews tell these things to Zionist-Christians? I never recally telling anyone those things. Have you got any substantiation for this?
And we "beguiled" them; how did we do this? Perhaps I can beguile Mom into letting me get out of doing my chores tomorrow if you let me in on these beguiling tricks. If you can't answer my other questions, at least get back to me on this issue.
And you have neglected to answer my question: "What do all Christians really think of Jesus? (Please explain your understanding of how each branch of Christianity (i.e., Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Baptist, etc., think - I am also interesting in Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, if you consider them Christians.) Thanks so much." Please answer.- 911ArtStudent, on 11/14/2008, -6/+4When heretics like Jerry Falwell are given a Lear jet by Mencahem Begin or when Pat Robertson is given a $12 million private equity stake in Leviev's African diamond mines, they do so seeking worldly rewards and they become corrupted. In return they allow their church to be infiltrated by provocateurs and become crypto-rabbis themselves.
Unfortunately this is how the Christian Zionists have become agents for the Father of Lies:
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
They belong to the Synagogue of Satan:
"I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan." - Revelations 2:9 - bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -4/+5@911ArtStudent -- take your time. You are becoming incoherent. "When heretics like Jerry Falwell are given a Lear jet Mencahem Beign..." ("...Lear jet Mencahem Beign..." - huh?) And "Unforutnately the become agents for the Father of Lies:" (...the become..." - may I repeat myself: huh?)
And yet again, you fail to answer: "And you have neglected to answer my question: "What do all Christians really think of Jesus? (Please explain your understanding of how each branch of Christianity (i.e., Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Baptist, etc., think - I am also interesting in Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, if you consider them Christians.) Thanks so much."
Please answer. - 911ArtStudent, on 11/14/2008, -6/+4Why don't you tell these Christians what you think of the passages in the Talmud that say that Mary was a whore and that Jesus is boiling in a cauldron of excrement? Do you renounce the vile blasphemies of your Talmud?
- bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -4/+5@911ArtStudent (or is it @911TheologyStudent) - Yet again, you fail to answer: "What do all Christians really think of Jesus? (Please explain your understanding of how each branch of Christianity (i.e., Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Baptist, etc., think - I am also interesting in Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, if you consider them Christians.) Thanks so much."
Please answer. You seem to know so much about Christianity. Surely you can handle a few questions.
I am totally unfamiliar with these passages in the Talmud you refer to. The only time I ever heard of them was coming forth from your mouth (also that nice NPodhoretz14 fellow -- have you seen him recently?) Since you have this excrement fixation, I have a question about that. But I'll defer that until you answer my other questions; if you ever do.
On a personal note, so much hostility! You need to take some time to get out and smell the roses. Do you have any hobbies? I think you need some recreation, such as taking up golf.
Moses H. Rabbenu! It's almost sunup! I would love to chat, but I need to catch some shuteye before I go to my appointment to have my horns sharpened for the upcoming Shabbat. Shalom (Hebrew for ciao!) - bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -2/+4@911 -- I see that you corrected yourself in the comment above my comment beginning "@911ArtStudent -- take your time. You are becoming incoherent. "When heretics like Jerry Falwell are given a Lear jet Mencahem Beign..." ("...Lear jet Mencahem Beign..." - huh?) And "Unforutnately the become agents for the Father of Lies:" (...the become..." - may I repeat myself: huh?)" Good for you. I see that you were paying careful attention to this thread and were able to edit before the 5 minute time limit ran out.
Anyway, you have still failed to answer my question: "What do all Christians really think of Jesus? (Please explain your understanding of how each branch of Christianity (i.e., Catholic, Protestant, Lutheran, Baptist, etc., think - I am also interesting in Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, if you consider them Christians.) Thanks so much."
I really am interested in hearing your response. I would like for you to clarify what may be misconceptions on my part. Thanks. - otdvash, on 11/15/2008, -0/+2I've heard tell you can lead a Christian to water but you can't make them drink the koolaid.
- 911ArtStudent, on 11/14/2008, -6/+4When heretics like Jerry Falwell are given a Lear jet by Mencahem Begin or when Pat Robertson is given a $12 million private equity stake in Leviev's African diamond mines, they do so seeking worldly rewards and they become corrupted. In return they allow their church to be infiltrated by provocateurs and become crypto-rabbis themselves.
- onetimer, on 11/14/2008, -4/+6Wow, I always imagined that 911artstudent was the typical run-of-the-mill anti-semite. But he's full blown nutjob as well.
Sad, really.- bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -3/+6@onetimer - "typical"? No, I think there's nothing "typical" about 911TheologyStudent. I think he needs to learn how to relax. Perhaps he should get one of those Dead Sea mud facials while bathing his feet in some Dead Sea bath salts. Those products that they sell at the mall kiosks always work for me.
- bernk1, on 11/14/2008, -4/+5@911ArtStudent - You write: "Jews tell Zionist-Christians that when God said to Abraham, “I will bless those who bless thee,” that He would withhold His blessings upon Christians unless they support Israel!"
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