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- pastaq, on 10/11/2007, -55/+501Yes, I do.
Oh *****, now I'm a domestic terrorist. Well, so much for my rights. - toxicvarn90, on 10/11/2007, -39/+261According to historians and scholars the worst president ever was Warren Harding. He never did his job and was surrounded in controversy over corruption
In fact George Bush's administration did a great job at manipulating the public, splitting america, starting a war without congress' consent. I mean, Harding didn't do *****, but look at Bush.
Any idiot can be president, but only a genius can get away with evil. - Cwo655321, on 10/11/2007, -38/+212remember when there were stories about tech on the front page?
- trghpy, on 10/11/2007, -8/+125Carter got scared when his Secret Service deployment got exchanged with a group from Blackwater.
If that wasn't scary enough, Cheney invited Carter to go hunting next month... - Junkyarddawg, on 10/11/2007, -18/+101I hear Carter apparently is backpedalling today. God knows why - as far as I can tell every word of what he said is true.
- NoDo, on 10/11/2007, -11/+67its seems to me this administration is clearly the worst in history, if you disagree I'd be interested to hear what other administration you think has been worse...
- Akaji, on 10/11/2007, -16/+72Digg IS irrelevant. We're so far behind - I mean, it takes a freaking thirty-two seconds after a news article is written it to be submitted as a new story!
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+55"Smithers, release the hounds..."
- rm999, on 10/11/2007, -32/+70How can we possibly know? Most of us aren't even 30 yet, but the country is almost 250 years old. Nixon was a scumbag. Truman nuked two large cities that killed more innocent civilians than several Iraq wars combined. Harding is known as one of the most corrupt presidents of all time. Andrew Johnson's policies led to 100 more years of black people being underrepresented in the South.
The list goes on and on. We have had a lot of bad presidents, and our country has always survived. I have no doubt in my mind that it will be the same with Bush.
Cool list of Scholars' opinions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents#Presidents_by_average_scholar_rank
Note that GW falls right in the middle - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -18/+52@phenry
That's the biggest load of crap that I've ever seen posted here on Digg. Obviously you got your lessons in history from a KKK handout. The Civil War was fought for many reasons but when you study those reasons they all lead back to the question of the expansion of slavery. Slavery was never going to end peacefully as long as the slave holders had their way. And, for what it's worth, the South started the war by unprovoked firing on Union troops. - sunshinemonster, on 10/11/2007, -9/+40@rm99
I don't think its fair to play the nuke card on Truman. Nuclear weapons use was the best plan, if they attempted to storm Honshu not only many more American lives would be lost but also many more Japanese (keep in mind the Japanese were ordered to kill as many enemies at the cost of their life or dishonor themselves), the attacks were used to push them into surrendering so the casualties would be less and it worked. In other words, that shouldn't be used against him. - jeffgtr, on 10/11/2007, -16/+44Bush is without question the worst.
Look where we were before he took office his first term. Look where we are now. - Akaji, on 10/11/2007, -32/+59I dunno, Jackson's was pretty danged bad...
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+29What the ***** is that supposed to mean?
- growlzor, on 10/11/2007, -30/+50ummm Yes, and Yes. Digg me up if you agree
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+27Considering where the country was when he took office to where it is now- you have to consider this to be the case. Buchanan is often the choice for worst, but the country was already in tatters when he was elected. Here we went from a respected nation with a valued currency to a hated nation and thanks to unchecked spending the dollar will soon be worthless. Not to mention an ill-conceived war that continues to needlessly cost lives and treasure. Katrina, Iraq, Myers &Gonzales are merely symptoms of the incompetence that infests this administration.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -12/+30He is quoting Ron Paul from his first appearance on Maher. Interestingly, in his FIRST appearance, Maher mocked Paul mercilessly. Two months later, Ron Paul is his hero. The Paulies keep forgetting to mention this.
@phenry- your smarminess kills any chance you have at debating this subject. There are a lot of differing opinions on the civil war, but your crap ass attitude makes it clear you don't want to discuss, just be a dick. - way2muchsense, on 10/11/2007, -11/+29@toxicvarn - James Buchanan is in the running for worst.president.ever. He pretty much set up the next poor bastard (Lincoln) to have to preside over the Civil War. Was too old and sick to have much done about him after the fact. Bush, however, is in excellent health, and should be able to serve a couple decades in PMITA prison, if the next attorney general wanted to go after him.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+23Administration, or President? There is a difference when debating the worst. I just want to be clear before wasting my time typing.
- nreynolds, on 10/11/2007, -24/+41I have to say people TODAY are going to say Bush is the worst president because it's hard to think in terms of 200+ years. I'm not sure if he is or isn't (in fact, I think his presidency is kinda hilarious, at least it's entertaining) but don't think that because 51% of people today say he's the worst that makes him so.
@ rm999
every reputable historian will agree that Truman's decision to drop 2 nukes saved millions of lives. Japanese civilian lives, not just military. The japanese don't surrender easily, they would've faught till the death of every woman and child had we not done something drastic. - quomen, on 10/11/2007, -31/+48Worst in history and the 6 histories before that.
- bigspruce, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19I'm old enough to remember the Carter administration.
The economics of the time were simply screwed up -
Jimmy wasn't the guy to fix this, clearly; that came later.
But the guy really had the "long term" view. He made gave the US some
dignity in it's international dealings; dignity that we could take to the bank
for a few presidents after him.
(and perhaps he was too focused on the longer term, and not the short).
Then we have GW, who has destroyed the US reputation for at least a few presidents
after him, if not permanently. It'll take more than one Carter to put right the wrongs
that the US stands for now (in the hearts and minds of the world). - JustAZombie, on 10/11/2007, -7/+22@smartmlp
Andrew Jackson also actively supported genocide. Trail of Tears, anyone? If not the worst, definitely one of the worst. - trghpy, on 10/11/2007, -16/+31@tyrannysucks
"The South was fully within its Constitutional rights to secede from the Union"
Thats as ass backwards as expecting the bill of rights to protect you while you're in Mexico.
If you wish to secede from the union do you not loose your constitutional rights?
And all that ***** about being able to freely Secede from your country was ment for the individual not a state. - koenkai, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15@skyshock21:
I found it interesting that buried in the article you link to from Wikipedia in which our current President is ranked surprisingly high, I found the following:
'Editor James Taranto noted that Democratic-leaning scholars rated George W. Bush the sixth-worst president of all time, while Republican scholars rated him the sixth-best, giving President Bush an overall rating of "average".'
Um. How can the right always be so wrong? Sixth best? Are you kidding me? I'm an independent, and I view this presidency as one that--and this is being kind--borders on being criminal. And yes, I have experienced a number of administrations--including Carters'. Not a shining example of an effective administration...but at least it wasn't riddled with corruption, it didn't seek to undermine our constitutional rights, nor did it antagonize virtually every nation on the planet (check out the latest re: what the world thinks of us if you think I'm diving into hyperbole with that comment). I won't even get started with the war...and the misrepresentations to get us into it...
Of course those scholar opinions were stated back in 2005....I wonder how the same scholars would rank the President today. Personally, I am ashamed by this administration's actions while in office. The President is supposed to uphold the laws of this nation, not undermine them for political expediency... - bubbadoo989, on 10/11/2007, -4/+19I don't care if GW is the worst.... he's really bad and has screwed our country for years to come....
I mean, let's take a tally:
- unstabilized an entire region and ***** Iraq for many years to come.
- used 9/11 to supercede the US Constitution.
- given away the farm with many trade deals, most of which we don't know about because they were passed in the wee hours.
- encourages an immigration bill that opens the border to supposedly skilled labor (IT pros take cover).
- will spend $90 billion in the next 3 mos to continue the foobar in Iraq.
- has sat by while BIG OIL has reaped huge profits and gasoline has risen from $1.69 TO $3.25. Coincidence? Probably not, look at how many oil people are in the cabinet (Condi had an Exxon tanker named after her, until Bush nominated here; then Exxon renamed it).
Oh, there are many more. Most are just character flaws that probably stretch to advisors and the VP, such as lying, exaggerating the truth, using falsehoods to control public opinion, lying and more lying.
What makes me really disguisted, is I voted for the *****.
Just my .02 cents, but really, Carter is right, whether he is trivialzed or not.
Let's impeach Bush!
Trent Boyette. - headcase, on 10/11/2007, -8/+23Bush probably isn't the worst ever. He's definitely the worst anyone living has ever seen though. Native Americans were hunted like animals long ago. Bush has yet to attempt genocide.....that I know of.
- deathweaver108, on 10/11/2007, -12/+26Are "long lines for gas, double digit inflation and embassy taken hostage" worse than:
Spilling the blood of over 3,000 of our troops,
wounding thousands more and sending them back to Iraq again and again,
killing thousand upon thousands of Iraqis needlessly there by insuring future generations of terrorists?
We recovered from high gas, inflation and hostage situtations... but now there is blood on our hands. Who will wipe it off of us? - trghpy, on 10/11/2007, -18/+31@phenery
Like hell the civil war wasn't about slavery. It's primary goal was to unite the union, but slavery the reason the union split up thus it is the ultimate cause of the civil war.
Civil war chain of events:
1: Lincon is voted into office, It was expected that he'd vote against slavery.
2: Southern states leave the union because the scale was tipped in the favor of anti-slavory
3: Northern states abolish slavery
4: Northern states wage huge war in order to rebuild the union
5: North wins. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14"Bush is the stupidest president in history too."
He's a Connecticut boy who has convinced America he is just a good ole boy from Texas. He gets points above Harding for that... - sassip, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13In all these discussions, i think you've missed the point Carter was originally making, "With respect to foreign policy." Consider our standing in the world. Liberators we're not seen as...
Not remembering too much about Kennedy except Dallas, but LBJ and Nixon had their debacles. I was in the last draft for Vietnam and everyone knew by 1971 that it was was not going to end well. The country was pretty crazy. National Guard shooting demonstrators, there was a very firm divide between those that supported the Vietnam war and those that did not. The difference then was "THE DRAFT" then Watergate.
Bush is as John Dean pointed out, "Worse than Watergate." Clinton's BJ and subsequent lie (wouldn't you have lied, guys?) and impeachment make him look like a piker compared to W's diabolical actions, whether Divinely Inspired or not...
If W is serious about "winning," reinstate the draft and damn the torpedoes. He doesn't have the guts for that, neither do the American people. All the talk about Carter's high interest rates, etc. might just come home to roost as we are putting 1to2 Billion A WEEK on the card. Where's the oil bounty? Oops, there's 300,000 a month missing. No War Bonds, no new taxes but tax cuts.
Do the simple math. Ignorance might be bliss, but what if you're not completely ignorant?
sas - anachronaut, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14And, as the Reagan administration was busy delivering WMD to Saddam, Rumsfeld had a big grin on his face when he shook Saddam Hussein's hand.
What was your point about Arafat again...? - showpig, on 10/11/2007, -6/+18Carter was a miserable failure. But at least he was smart. Bush is an even bigger miserable failure, with deeper, more far-reaching consequences for the country, including a complete loss of respect for the US around the world. And smart? Wish Carter had also pointed out that Bush is the stupidest president in history too.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+17If you want to argue the use of the atomic bombs on Japan then you must first ask yourself why did they have to drop two of them? Why didn't they surrender after the first one?
- rickst13, on 10/11/2007, -3/+15"Former US president Jimmy Carter unleashed a torrent of criticism against George Bush and Tony Blair over the weekend"
Seeds please. - ProgressBar, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14Bush needs to go hunting with Cheney.
- duniyadnd, on 10/11/2007, -2/+13huh?? don't you mean miserable failure??
- tidu, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14After reading that article posted a few days ago in TIME written by Al Gore, I thought, wow what would it be like if he made it into the White House...?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+17Bush = Fail
- beaverdale, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Well putting aside everything that happened before the 1900's, since I really can have much of a opinion before then, DEFINITELY BUSH HAS BEEN THE WORST PRESIDENT.
-Foreign Relations (check)
-Throwing the Constitution out the window (check)
-Corruption (double check)
-Ignorant Staff surrounding him (check at least 150 times)
-etc...etc...etc...
And history will show all of this to be true! - smartmlp, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14@Akaji:
Are you crazy? Andrew jackson? If you are talking about him, he not only stopped the civil war from happening much eariler then it did by telling South Carolina to STFU, he was also not afraid at taking action and keeping the union together. I don't know about you, but these are more then enough reasons to label him as at least an average president. Infact, if we would have had someone like him instead of Buchanan, the civil war may have been avoided all together. - laserblazer, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Bush's influence on America has been completely negative. His administration has been a diplomatic, military, economic, security and propaganda disaster.
- deathweaver108, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13@megaman
I don't recall being at war... - brocklese, on 10/11/2007, -15/+25I wish it was someone else besides carter saying this because, I dono carter was definitely not one of the "greatest" presidents either...
Now before you digg me down, I am not saying Bush is a good president, because I think he is a bad president, I am just saying, look at inflation and mortgage rates from when carter was president. Basically they both suck... - dracostimpy, on 10/11/2007, -13/+22@trghpy
It was about slavery in the history books, because the victors always write about themselves as nobly as possible, but in the reality-based world, phenry is correct. Check it:
"On July 19 the Associated Press and Reuter’s reported an "amazing find" at a museum in Allentown, Pennsylvania: A copy of a letter dated March 16, 1861, and signed by Abraham Lincoln imploring the governor of Florida to rally political support for a constitutional amendment that would have legally enshrined slavery in the U.S. Constitution."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo104.html - TheGrunt, on 10/11/2007, -5/+14We do speak english, and would have either way that war went...
- BumRush, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13Jimmy is a good person(probably the nicest guy to ever hold office). He just couldn't control and underestimated just how dirty his fellow politicians and even his own cabinet could be.... therefore he was a really bad president.
W is the biggest ***** bag to ever curse the office. - Sairgem, on 10/11/2007, -7/+16"remember when there were stories about tech on the front page?"
Uncheck everything not relating to tech news, or go to slashdot. Now quit your whining. - drilldown, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11Chechnya anyone? How about Vietnam, Korea, and Kuwait. Lincoln was dealing with local matters stateside, eh? Government setting up protection by insuring continental control, aka Union for future protection. Canada's friendly, so far. Mexico is friendly, so far. Oceans on either side.
Bush has antagonized Canada with travel restrictions, is putting up a fence in Mexico, and trying to sell control of port authority to foreign nations. Gas prices are up, GE just sold their plastics division abroad, and china owns a majority of Stocks/Govn't loans in the U.S. OH and we're having a war on the completely opposite side of the friggin earth to maintain the safety here in the continental U.S. I don't like the fact that Atlanta got burned to the ground way back when. I really, really don't. Bad as that was... sadly, it was family. Like them, kill them, question the reasons for their existence. It's family Lincoln was dealing with. In Iraq, it's their family that has problems. Kill the head of the family and what you're looking at is an estate dispute. This estate in their system of life is the country of Iraq.
It's the primary reason assassinations are forever frowned upon in warfare, no matter how it comes about. One of the first things Bush went for, in case anyone forgot, was the assassination of the leaders of Iraq society. The entire line of ascension in their society - Saddam and his sons, are dead. WALK AWAY. The deed is done. WALK AWAY. - Junkyarddawg, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Wikipedias scholar rating of presidents is weird. W and Clinton are next by eachother - compare their "achievements".
Also, see this: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history
"In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure." Among those who called Bush a success, many gave the president high marks only for his ability to mobilize public support and get Congress to go along with what one historian called the administration's "pursuit of disastrous policies." -
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