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- johndi, on 10/12/2007, -6/+69It's good to hear leaders in the Middle East speak up about such this. If current leaders would take a stand it might have a greater impact.
- zivarik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Look, I'm Persian and i know more about the politics of Iran. Khatami is very moderate. that was the reason people voted for him back in the day. about 65%+ are very pro US and most of Persian people do condemn 9/11, but the problem is that the government system there is set up in a way that hardliners control everything and even the action of the Iran president. when khatami was elected, it was a blow to their system of minorities with power controlling the nation. so this time around, the hardliners blocked allowing any moderate or pro west to get elected. so between someone who previously had ripped people off and murdered many, and a hardliner nut job, people picked the nut job current president. so for these reasons, it doesn't matter what Khatami said...hardliners blocked every move he ever made and he is no longer the president.
- CriX, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Sweet! I'm totally blown away to hear this. Where are the other reasonable Muslims saying outloud that Allah is not cool with you blowing up yourself and many other civilians in his name.
- Pluckie, on 10/12/2007, -5/+22"Don't listen to what he says, look at what he is doing. At the present time..."
If you would read the article or even the subheading you would recognize that this man is Iran's FORMER President who is a pretty different person than the current President. His government career is done with, and it appears that he is now doing works to promote peace and dialogue between nations.
Don't try and accuse this man of not being true to his word with an example that has nothing to do with him. Find a relevant example and I'll be all ears.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Khatami - Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Yes.
- shiftt, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15JohnCrichton, putting all your ignorance aside, are you advocating suicide bombings? would you like for your parents, daugther, and son to be torn apart with shrapnel because someone else's God told them it's the right thing to do?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -15/+27see that is the problem, you dont hear them and tommorrow you will demand he once again denouce terrorism and his own country.
Muslims apoligse all the time, people just dont listen. And ts is BS anyway. We all have plenty of groups that are accociated with us, rightly or wrongly that should be appologised for.
DO you appologise for the christains that have killed and bomb abortion clinics?
Do you appologise for those terrorist wannabies recently captured in FL?
How about david koresh, who raped many woman and amassed all those weapons for the end of time battle?
do you appologise for pediphile preists? I say that is as evil as any terrorist and the church would just transfer them to alaska when they found out..
Or the christins in india, killing buddhists and bombing temples?
Oh they arent your domination?
Well there are 1 billion muslims, do you think there is only one sect of islam?
I am sorry I agree, Awesome this guy denouced terrorism, but accept that, reconise that he did it, but dont demand moderate muslims all over constantly appologise. I have even seen it here on digg, a muslim denouced terror in his first comment and commented later in the same thread, the neo asshats jumped all over him demanding he appologise for terror.. which he had already done in the same thread. I am telling you not only dont you hear it, you wont accept it, and he has nothing to appologise for anyway. - Shinta, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17Islamic extremists rolling up infidels in giant katamaris.
- MattyLite, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16He didn't say he wants reasonable Muslims to apologize; he said he wants them to speak out against the crazy ones.
- Shinta, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19Imagine no countries, religion, or possesions. Reminds me of Soviet Russia.
- DCMacHead, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12@ PowerCow
I body slammed you a while ago regarding your abortion clinic bombings *****. It is a thing of the past, it has been addressed and is not a frequent occurrence. Within the past 5 years, 1 (that's ONE) abortion clinic has been bombed. In the past 5 years, there have been 0 (that's ZERO) murders of abortion providers. Here are the facts from prochoice.org:
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/violence_statistics.html
Now, onto murder in the name of Islam--below are year-to-date totals by country for all of the victims worldwide of murder and maiming in the name of Islam:
Country Killed Injured
Grand Total 8,173 13,133
Afghanistan Total 540 732
Algeria Total 95 45
Bangladesh Total 5 9
Chad Total 118 -
Chechnya Total 39 37
Dagestan Total 7 10
Egypt Total 22 79
Ethiopia Total 7 53
France Total 1 -
India Total 533 1,418
Indonesia Total 5 1
Ingushetia Total 33 27
Iran Total 42 53
Iraq Total 5,236 7,794
Israel Total 85 722
Italy Total 1 -
Jordan Total 3 5
Kabardino-Balk. Total 1 -
Kenya Total 1 2
Kosovo Total 1 11
Kyrgyzstan Total 7 6
Nigeria Total 101 401
Pakistan Total 418 517
Pal. Auth. Total 12 11
Philippines Total 62 110
Russia Total 4 24
Saudi Arabia Total 4 13
Somalia Total 491 722
Sudan Total 77 39
Syria Total 1 -
Tajikistan Total 2 -
Thailand Total 195 230
Turkey Total 6 23
UAE Total 1 -
USA Total 2 19
Uzbekistan Total 1 -
Yemen Total 14 20
Read all about it at www.thereligionofpeace.com where they've got details of every incident.
To recap:
Abortion clinic bombings in the past 5 years (I had to go back 5 years to find a single instance): 1 (ONE)
Murders of abortion providers in the past 5 years: 0 (ZERO)
Year-to-date murders in the name of Islam: 8,173
It's encouraging to see a Muslim leader publicly denouncing violence, but I doubt he'll have much impact. - tidu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@shiftt:
no, he's ignorantly categorizing all muslims as suicide bombers and jew-killers. Still deserves to be dugg down. - YawehsDead, on 10/12/2007, -19/+27As a Jew and a American all I can say is:Bravo, It's about time!
- anarchistuk, on 08/11/2009, -4/+12Taking a responsible attitude is the first step, I kudos the Former Iranian President.
- picaro, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Imagine gulags, bread lines, and pogroms. Imagine mass murder in the name of a better future -- spurred on my utopian idiots like Lennon.
- Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12While Khatami always has presented at least the facade of being more "moderate" and reasonable than Ahmadinejadinazi -- and he probably actually IS more moderate than that nutjob -- I still would caution against taking his words at face value. Don't be deceived by that smile.
Lest we forget some of the things that happened under Khatami's presidency, like these for example:
http://www.iransos.com/gozaresh/Menschenrechtverletzungiran/august2005.htm
As the sister of a student who recently died in jail said last week: "Don't be deceived by his smile." As the song says, Smiling faces, smiling faces sometimes...they don't tell the truth. - TROGDOR42, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Suicide Bombers hurt Islam"
Y'think!? - MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -2/+8"Sweet! I'm totally blown away to hear this. Where are the other reasonable Muslims saying outloud that Allah is not cool with you blowing up yourself and many other civilians in his name."
Crix, we're here, as always - saying that 9/11 was the most retarded thing a Muslim could have done and in my opinion Osama isn't a Muslim. But the media isn't interested in reasonable or moderate Muslims condeming or apologizing for 9/11 even though we shouldn't have to. Maybe the US should apologize to Japan for the atomic death they inflicted upon them.
In any case, the middle eastern conflict won't end soon and especially not with a US occupation in Iraq. - iPirate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Sorry, we could only find the digg down button.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Sure he could speak up to the Middle Eastern leaders as well as the Religious Leaders. He just won't live too long after that. Remember that woman who spoke out against radical islamism? She was called a heretic.
- Moonpig, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Wow. People hating on John Lennon that much. Scary times, scary people.
- BullyJack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5'Taqiyya' is right. This is ridiculous. They'll probably give him a Nobel peace prize while he's here.
- Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Interesting pattern of dig-ups and dig-downs I'm getting. Dig ups for pointing out Khatami's track record and saying that actions speak louder than words...then dig downs for posting an article from an Israeli who says exactly those same things.
I guess that means that the viewpoint that I'm presenting is valid...as long as it's not coming from an Israeli. - syncomm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6@WilliamTanksley
I usually don't reply to this type of vitriolic diatribe, but there is an important clarification to be made. Hadith means literally "sayings" (of Mohammad), they are not an actual book and there are millions of hadiths -- most of which are unauthentic. They are not the "Bible" of Islam. An ancient Muslim group, similar to the Council of Nicaea (which removed the Apocryphal writings and other miscellaneous text from the ancient Christian cannon), removed most hadiths from the cannon of Islam. Many couldn't be traced back to Mohammad at all, and were simply fiction created to disingenuously mislead people. The Koran itself (which along with the Suhna is the primary source of Islamic teaching) is very direct on the subject of suicide. Committing suicide will result in damnation (and having a very angry angel constantly harass you until judgment). "Being saved according to Islam", as you put it, is certainly not dependent on martyrdom (which, by the way, you can't bring about purposefully on yourself for salvation.) Islam teaches that killing is in all respect reprehensible, taking even a single life is tantamount to killing the entire world. Don't let the lunatics out there in both the Muslim world, and in the media, confuse you -- there is nothing Islamic about terrorism or fascism. Unfortunately we get to hear little from the rational people who stand against it (guess it doesn't make good 'ol sensationalist news). Grats to Khatami on taking a stand. - wilf_brim, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Look at his action, not his words. During his administration of Iran, that country supported Hezballa and Hamas, with funds, training, and weapons. They continue to do this. These organizations consider suicide bombing to be a legitmate and effective tactic (well, they are half right, its very effective against democracies).
- YawehsDead, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11@Shinta I guess the Soviets got something right. If not in practice then at least in theory.
- MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -1/+5@tidu
no, he's satircally categorizing all muslims as suicide bombers and jew-killers. I think he's actually saying the opposite of what you think. But just to be sure, I'll digg him down anyway. : ) - Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5It is one thing to say you denounce suicide bombers (to an American audience who desperately wants to hear exactly that, no less).
It is quite another thing to have your words backed up by your actions, whether current or former. Unfortunately, Khatami lacks that.
Ergo, the grain of salt. - djjuice, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Well great, he says this to Americans, which we already know this stuff, he needs to speak up to the Middle Eastern Leaders, and Religious Leaders so this can spread though the Middle East, its harder, much harder to get that through there but thats where its needed most. It really is good to hear this from him, but needs to be spread in other areas than just the U.S.
- WilliamTanksley, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6barakatx2, on what basis do you claim to know what "the entire muslim world" thinks of suicide bombers? The fact is that most of the suicide bombings are met with utter disregard for the victims and occasional commendations for the culprits. Only recently have things began to improve, with occasional condemnation of the culprits and sympathy for the victims.
The problem is that the Islamic "holy" books praise deceit, killing, and dying in the progress of a war against the infidel. Read the "Hadith", book 52, for more information about this. The Hadith are the closest Islamic equivalent to the Christian Bible -- they are the collected "official" recollections of the people who knew Mohammed and remembered what he said. (The Koran is more "binding", since it's held to be the actual words of Allah.) Being saved according to Islam is hard and uncertain, unless you die in battle.
I do think there's hope -- it's always possible to wilfully interpret passages to mean different things. The problem is that these passages so clearly mean what they've been taken to mean... - rimz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7do not be decieved by the lies this man is telling, he believs in the same Islam as hezbollah, hamas and all these other terrorist groups; this man follows the same Islam which says sign contracts even if you dont not follow them just so that Islam can live; during his time of being president one of the most brutal killings (18 Tir) took place in Iran, he did not care for the people, he like others shouted slogans such as Death to America, Death to Israel, Death To Uk. This man is not a person to be trusted, he is evil and a lier; he comes to America to make deals so that his government can stay in power for another 30 years. Please as an Iranian here my call. Stand up for the Iranian people, speak to you senators and congressman and tell them to make Iran a main agenda. This man is a man which will do anything to keep himself rich and his people poor, please do not believe the words he speaks.
- kilofox, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6What's it like being constantly obsessed with Bush???
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9so there are no good people in iran to lead?
He is not the current leader, he denouces terror and suicide bombing and you just label him a liar.
SO i guess we can feel good about killing them all since, just because there are suicide bombers there, they must all support them even when they come out and denouce them.. right?
isnt that what i am hearing your saying? even people not leading now and not responcible for any of that are actually responcible for all that.
Well lets take them over and put an american in charge huh. - YawehsDead, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Why is chicken101 getting dugg down? Can anyone argue that the idea isn't appropriate given our world's problems. It might be extremely difficult if not impossible to implement but the idea of not following superstitious ideas and running each other into the ground in a zealous greed really that bad of an idea?
I'd just like to say that I don't think that I agree that abolishing possessions might not be a great idea. But the concept of finding happiness without possessions is a good one. However regarding religion: I think that the only way that can be possibly justified is if there is a world to come. But since there has never been a single shred of evidence of this so called after life , we need to observe the results of religion: False sense of security. Retardation of worldly discoveries and knowledge.Control of the masses by a religious elite which in turn is controlled by ancient ***** texts. - thepeacemaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I dont see what is new in this news. Iran led by president Khatami at that time was already among the first countries to condemn the 9/11 terrorist acts and offer condolence. Khatami is simply reaffirming those sentiments.
As for the act of suicide bombing in itself, saying it is bad is like saying money is bad - it depends how you spend it. Similarly, suicide bombing can make someone a martyr (e.g. Kamikaze pilots) if the target is legitimate (e.g. Nazi soldiers military camp) and it can make someone a terrorist if the target is illegitimate (e.g. civilians). So suicide bombing in itself is not an issue rather it is the targeting of innocent people (i.e. committing terrorism) that is an issue. - Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"I dont understand why are we dwelling over terminology without defining it?"
Oh, I think that most everyone has defined it. And most everyone's definition of it is not "self defense." - geekee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"What Khatami is saying is the definition of disengenous. The explosives used by the majority of suicide bombers come from Iran via Hezbollah."
Iean isn't run by its elected leaders. Who has more power, the president or the supreme leader? - reda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Jawood
the original source
http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/2006/08/back-from-mideast.html - reda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@PowerCow
thank you, I totally agree with you
I don't think I should apologize
because no matter how they try to make it look politically correct, they hold us responsible and want us to take some responsibility, what they want truly IS apology
Why do I have the OBLIGATION to denounce those acts everytime they happen? Why should I tel that again and again in every digg comment ? I don't have to, and I wont do it just to please you.
Makes me thinks of the jews in my country, everytime Israel starts some *****, they absolutely have to start condemning it.
Kind of like saying "no we're not with them we're still with you"
WTF? just because they are jewish doesn't mean they are related to what everything jews make everywhere in the world ?
Why do people always make this kind of associations ?
Ok listen, those who did this were humans, Shame on us all humans we are all guilty we all have responsibility over those acts, and every single person should start condemning it and saying it's not what true humanity is about. - CriX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@Powercow
I not asking him to apologize for certain specific historical acts of terrorism (although it is a bonus that he has). What I liked is that he specifically said that Suicide Bombing = No Heaven. THAT, if listened to would be extremely valuable for curbing violence. Isn't that how most death is done in the region nowadays? I'm sorry, there are probably other deaths taking place by some shooting and stabbing but the vast majority of the headlines I read are the one involving explosives that end up killings 10s, 20s and sometimes 100s of people at a time.
Just to drive this point in a little more... I'm not happy that SOMEONE is apologizing and more importantly denouncing suicide bombing, I'm happy that Khatami is! He has a voice that some people will listen to. He's not so easily ignored as Joe Shmoe moderate muslim. - reda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1*some crazy muslim terrorist blows up himself*
"Where the ***** are the muslims condemning that ? their silence shows you one thing, they're all with him"
*some muslim comes*
"me and all muslims I know, consider this as terrorist acts, and refuse to that crazy ashole the right to call himself muslim"
"yeah you just give me words, I want actions, why did you let him do that ? you didn't stop him, you're all with him"
Yeah nice, and who's the evil one looking for problems and violence, living in the dark ages and not understanding civilised dialog ? - thepeacemaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3>@Wavey: That's the first time I've ever heard
>anyone describe suicide bombing as "self defense."
I dont understand why are we dwelling over terminology without defining it? There are numerous instances in any military where the soldier knows for a fact that he will be killed while performing a particular mission. So the soldier is willingly ending his life while fulfilling a goal. Again, the act itself is not an issue. The issue is if the target is legitimate. In other words, suicide bombing is not an issue, terrorism is. - mos6507, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2He is a master splitter of hairs.
http://tinyurl.com/ojkcs - Jawood, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10It's just an idea.
Soviet Russia was a country...a totalitarian state. They would never allowed someone to even just suggest a dream. You know, allow someone to exercise his right of free speech.
Actually, you had a right to free speech and religion...as long as it agreed with the Government.
Kind of like a lot of folks here in America. You have a right to free speech as long as it agrees with my views. You have a right to free religion as long as it's Judeo-Christianity.
But god forbid if you're an Arab Muslim...then you have no rights! http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060829/us_nm/security_tshirt_dc_1
Great way to show the Arabs and Muslims what freedom is! - barakatx2, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7"As a Jew and a American all I can say is:Bravo, It's about time!"
It's about time? The Muslim world has condemned suicide bombings since any of the attacks. And if you think the Muslim governments are the Muslim world, then you are mistaken, it's all the Muslims in the world. And almost every Muslim will agree that suicide bombing is against Islam. The Muslim leaders in no way reflect everyone... - dsmeryage, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Take a look at this- don't become a useful idiot yourself:
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_17573.shtml - Wavey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2That's the first time I've ever heard anyone describe suicide bombing as "self defense."
- thepeacemaker, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2>@crazy: suicide bombing IS a bad thing.
A lot of the current conflicts are defined by hotbutton but vaguely defined words like terrorism, suicide bombing, fascism, evil, east, west, left, right, etc. It is important to try to look past the rhetoric and understand the real issues. Going back to the original point about "suicide bombing", let me illustrate it using an example taken out of the popular media. In the last scene of the movie 'Independence Day' (1996 starring Will Smith), we see a fighter pilot whose missiles are jammed so he rams his F16 into the alien's spacecraft leading to the victory of the humans. By any definition of the term, that act is "suicide bombing", and I dont see how anyone would have an issue with that.
>@crazy: In any light. With a name like that, you certainly don't sound peaceful.
:-) ...dont we all agree that legitimate self defense is the right of all human beings. - jgzman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I don't want an apology from people who aren't terrorists. I want a condemnation. Muslims who say "that's not the way we do things, don't associate us with them." And yes, I do personally condemn the acts of priests who abuse children, and the acts of so-called 'Christians' who kill people in the name of their god. The problem is, they aren't the 'hot topic' right now, so the General Public doesn't care. The Mob is a fickle beast.
- osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2thepeacemaker - I'm going to go out on a limb there and flat out say something crazy: suicide bombing IS a bad thing. In any light. With a name like that, you certainly don't sound peaceful.
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