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Iran Uses Photoshop: Fake Pic "Reveals" US Terror Arms

littlegreenfootballs.com — A blatant Photoshop fraud in an article claiming to have discovered US weapons in Iran -- another example of "fauxtography"

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  • jjjjjjb, on 10/12/2007, -177/+77Colin Powell fell for a similar stunt once before, so why not Iranian citizens too?
    • valeyard, on 10/12/2007, -121/+47Nice spin. LOL
    • Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -148/+31This is good enough reason for me to want to bomb Iran. They obviously hate us because they photoshop pictures.
    • drewhenson, on 10/12/2007, -108/+17"Photoshop: A Force of Evil?" should have been the real title. Also, 183 diggs and still in upcoming? HOW?
    • drewhenson, on 10/12/2007, -116/+8please don't bury me ^^^^^
    • gwey, on 10/12/2007, -90/+6Oops.
    • yourmom, on 10/12/2007, -70/+22duggmirror didn't catch it
      but this one works
      http://littlegreenfootballs.com.nyud.net:8080/weblog/?entry=24492_Iranian_Fauxtography_Bust&only
    • UncleHenry, on 10/12/2007, -79/+15Apparently everyone hates this comment... and EVERY comment on that comment.

      Will this comment continue the streak? Tonight at 11.
    • nsharp, on 10/12/2007, -68/+35[rant]
      Why is it always photoshop? I mean how come nobody is accused of using gimp for something
      [/rant]
    • pipdip, on 10/12/2007, -78/+10Everyone else is getting dugg down. So I better say something that people will like. How about...

      Digg is Awesome!
    • iamshades, on 10/12/2007, -72/+8Digg Down Party WOOO!!

      I got the chips, who brung the dip?
    • xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -75/+15Colin Powel presented the "intel" he received from the government to the UN security council. I actually saw it live on Canadian television. It would have been funnny if it had been a joke but the stuff he presented were ridiculous and later revealed to be incorrect.

      The funniest intel piece was the drawing of a truck made to look like a covert bio-weapon. Even the lowest of budget suspense show would have been embarassed to show such horrible and dubious graphics. No one fell for it at the UN council but I don't think that the intent was to prove that there were WMDs. The intent was to show the world that the White House was going to do whatever it wanted regardless of anything that could be said.
    • HeHateMester, on 10/12/2007, -55/+10In Soviet Russia, Photoshop uses Iran.
    • xobecide, on 10/12/2007, -55/+9I'd like to join in being dugg down, and remark that governments will do anything to sway public opinion.
    • soccerkidjp, on 10/12/2007, -47/+28Direct Link to Article with Fake Pic

      http://www.farsnews.com/English/newstext.php?nn=8511290285

      Evidence of tampering: Alot of the things in the picture were cloned over and over again
    • anglachel, on 10/12/2007, -53/+18seeing all these comments dug down at the top of the page just makes me want to read them all.

      I wish I hadn't.
    • Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -53/+6Anyone who diggs down my comments, and others comments are liberal-jihadists that want to enable the enemy in Iraq to make Bush look bad.
    • 0firefly0, on 10/12/2007, -51/+6Sweet Jesus... now I feel left out.

      Digg me down! I wanna be cool too...
    • phatalbert, on 10/12/2007, -51/+6I just read every dugg down comment. WOO!
    • knightmare01, on 10/12/2007, -50/+7erm...will it blend¿
    • bakagaigin, on 10/12/2007, -47/+3Just to set the bar...
      http://digg.com/videos/comedy/Bart_Simpson_s_Heart_Attack
    • BlackCow, on 10/12/2007, -43/+11Step 1: Use photoshop
      Step 2: ???
      Step 3: Profit
    • tatltat, on 10/12/2007, -45/+4pirates > ninjas

      let the digging down continue!
    • scheper, on 10/12/2007, -39/+137Why did I read all of these dugg down comments? ;o;
    • awol21, on 10/12/2007, -48/+3no, no. you're supposed to dig scheper down (and me too).
    • Satertek, on 10/12/2007, -36/+2Digg scheper down

      and me
    • understudy, on 10/12/2007, -41/+66I have never seen so many dugg down comments in a row.

      _
    • Lyanto, on 10/12/2007, -22/+4@understudy

      This happens more often than you think. Take, for example, the digg 2nd anniversary story. It's called comment raping or something like that.
    • Cl1mh4224rd, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6@understudy2: You haven't seen *anything*...

      http://digg.com/videos/comedy/Bart_Simpson_s_Heart_Attack

      Every comment in the negatives, except for that one dude who posted an hour ago. :-P

      (WARNING: It takes an absurd amount of time to load that page. I had to tell Firefox to continue running Digg's JavaScript 2 or 3 times before it finished.)
    • NomenNescio, on 10/12/2007, -14/+4I am surprised.
    • fosenteskotia, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1@understudy

      that's because digg nukes these posts if they get too out of hand. I lost an account on the homer simpson quotes the other day. Nothing but dugg-down comments. Close to 200.
    • dudemanbro, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3@Cl1mh4224rd
      That link crashed firefox lol
  • billjackson, on 10/12/2007, -36/+118Why am I not surprised?
    • wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -28/+103Where is Green Helmet guy? Giving advise no less?
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -42/+120Green Helmet Guy is freezing dead babies for the next Israeli "atrocity"

      Green Helmet Guy for the uninitiated is the Hezbollah PR Guy/Mortician/"Red Cross Worker" that shows up with dead babies at the sites of alleged Israeli "atrocities"

      http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22123_Green_Helmet_Admits_Staging_Photos&only

      http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=22029&only&rss
    • noreturn, on 10/12/2007, -15/+67Good links.

      I think the best part of the photo is the fact that the US doesn't even use those kinds of grenades any more. Unless I'm misinformed, they stopped using the "pineapple" grenades, with the gridmarks on the outside, quite some time ago. That is old ordnance, and is unlikely to have been supplied recently.
    • Directrix1, on 10/12/2007, -33/+7I am very surprised. I never knew an entire country had the arms or opposable digits to "photoshop" something. Seriously, people. Specify something: Iranian government, Iranian press, Iranian Photoshoppers Union of Severely Upsettable Individuals. Lets actually narrow down the entity to something applicable here as an entire country lacks the prowess, will, and even common mindset to collectively "photoshop" something, or do many things we attribute to an entire country. Don't sensationalize this ***** further.
    • madmack, on 10/12/2007, -28/+3yea right.. like iran can't get some iraqies to get some american weapons out of iraq and take photos of them. this article assumes iran has no way of getting a hand on a handful of american grenades. heck, they could even ask iraqies from the current "army" to take photos and email them to them.
      hard to believe, to say the least.
    • Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34Let's summarize madmack's knowledge of the topic with one simple observation: Iraqies is spelled IRAQIS.
  • NoamSayin, on 10/12/2007, -28/+114LGF stikes again.
  • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -35/+137"Fauxtography" has been going on along time and seems to always be used by Islamists with the naive (or willing) belief of AP, Reuters, and other Mainstream Media.

    Here are links for anyone digging for more info.

    Roundup of Reutersgate -- or the (same Lebanese woman loses same house 50 times story)
    http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/

    Good roundup of fauxtography here:
    http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2006/09/27/le-monde-tackles-fauxtography-at-last-surprised-by-the-results/

    A classic: The fake "Israel hits red cross ambulance" hoax
    http://www.zombietime.com/fraud/ambulance/
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -51/+8They may be politically doctored but they preach against the war. I have no sympathy for those who make false testimonies to make another war. However exaggerated the reports of the Hezbollah-Israel conflict, there were some real people died there, maybe they were not 5000, maybe they were 3000 but this doesn't make any difference, people who HAD to live their lives died, making false pretenses to make war, though, doesn't make 2000 more fictional deaths, they make 600000 very real deaths.

      It is a crime to steal from your neighbor but it is not the same as killing your whole neighborhood, people get your facts and your priorities straight.
    • xGORDOx, on 10/12/2007, -6/+50They don't preach against war, they are propaganda to promote it.
      Are you blind?
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -42/+3Against whom? Israel? It's a well known fact that nobody touches Israel as soon as US are there to help them. You may see it a threat against Israel but showing pure violence (like the dead kid) is in fact against war, people who see such images generally turn against the war, any war. How can you justify a new war by holding a heavily amputated kid, in what sense would people start another war based in an image caused by this very war ....
    • foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -6/+51@Stevethenotsogreat

      My gosh how gullible can you be????
      Can't you see that the "parade" by Green Helmet Guy was aimed at the media to demonize the Israelis? Can't you see it is only one more (see the Al-Dura incident) of a long string of "useful idiocy" by the mainstream media?
      They are not for peace. They are for war, THEIR war, a war that THEY win, and if they can't win they'll capture "hearts and minds" any obscene way they can in order to turn the soft heart of the nations, the gullible "give peace a chance" crowd, the poor ones that can't see the pistol held in their faces cause they're too enamored of the perfectness of the dark circle before their eyes, the high-horse-and-morals crowd that will just say we need to "respect their customs and individuality"...open your eyes, raise the veil they want you to wear...
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -34/+5@foopirata : I only saw Israel attacking Lebanese territory making many casualties, this is a war crime by itself. You are quick to find the wrongdoings of Muslims but you turn a blind eye for the crimes of the "good guys" like they were never there. I wrote it before I'm gonna write it again it's different to misreport than to actually kill people, the first is a potential inciter of a crime, the second is this very crime. Unlike you, I'm not questioning my moral ground to protect my friends, I wouldn't do so not even for my momma ....

      Remember, I can say a thousand times that I will kill but if I won't do so I'm not a criminal but if you do so you ARE the one, incitements are irrelevant for an eventual judgment
    • Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -5/+44Anyone remember the GI Joe POW's that Al Qaeda in Iraq was posting?

      Edit: Stevethegreat if you think these doctored photos were promoting peace, then you're an idiot.
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -29/+3@Asianwaste: Then you are an idiot, I only implied that they somehow work against the war. If you want people to be pro-peace you don't post gruesome images it is as simple as a 3-year-old could understand. But gruesome pics DO work against the war, but not with the optimum way, in fact they work pretty much backwards for which I never said it was right. If you watched carefully I called them thieves and potential inciters of violence.

      In fact that's the problem with my post, I wrote one politically incorrect statement and people say only these three wars, they refused to read the other 95% of it. I'm maybe a crackpot for trying to see things straight but at least I know there are worse crackpots than me ....
    • Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -5/+35@Stevethegreat

      Maybe you've forgotten just how these false reports of crimes and tragedies start more wars. Hitler started World War II with false radio reports that Poland attacked a remote radio station when it turned out the Nazi's did it themselves. The whole 9-11 conspiracy theory bull is the belief that Bush created the greatest doctored up tragedy to wage war on the middle east.
      Sure Israel may have bombed the country. People have died and it sucks. I agree with you that it's wrong. Do you think the people that make these photos and paint a picture that is a stretch of the the truth are at all right to do this? Wouldn't you think all that would do is breed more hate and promote a full scale war against Israel?
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -29/+3"Sure Israel may have bombed the country. People have died and it sucks. I agree with you that it's wrong. Do you think the people that make these photos and paint a picture that is a stretch of the the truth are at all right to do this? Wouldn't you think all that would do is breed more hate and promote a full scale war against Israel?"

      No! Of course ***** not. What I was trying to point out -and was dugg down to the depths of the digg-pit- was that the parent poster casted unfairly more light to the harmless 'till now Muslim propaganda by writing things like ""Fauxtography" has been going on along time and seems to always be used by Islamists", while western's countries' propaganda was worse and actually harmful with very real effects by alienating Muslims not only in the Iraq war but for Muslims around the world being discriminated for no good reason. I mean it's hypocritical to point out to the others sh*t while you are sitting in one of quadruple the size. And in the end the only real crimes were made by Westerners till know and don't give me this rogue terrorist group under the name of Al Qaeda cause under normal circumstances such people are condemned by the Muslim populace.
    • foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -8/+39@Stevethenotsogreat

      "I only saw Israel attacking Lebanese territory making many casualties"

      My point exactly. Israel was brutally attacked, with 10 dead soldiers, 2 kidnapped ones, and a barrage of katyushas to cover the action. Unprovoked. This all took place on Israel's side of the border. But you only saw what the mainstream media spoonfed you, and that same media was spoonfed by Hizzballah goons, just like the Green Helmet Guy. And your bleeding progressive heart ate it all, with some nice "anti-imperialist" gumbo to boot.

      You are being blinded with what they want you to see. They want you to feel bad for who you are so you'll more easily become what they want you to be. Which can be said in one single word: dead.

      Open your eyes before they come to drag you into the streets for being an infidel.

    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -29/+4@foopirata: Misrefering to my nick doesn't make you more right than I am. In fact it's you who eats the propaganda, it's you who finds just Israel's retaliation against 12 casualties with some thousands in the opposition, it is you who believes that Muslim extremism have such a grip to the Muslim world that one day a whole flock of 1.5 billion will come in your doorstep calling you infidel and demanding your head, it is you who bought the fear and allowed such crimes to take place. Where are all those fearful Muslims? I'm not talking about Al Qaeda they must be accounted the same as ETA, I'm talking about the 1.5 billion Muslims threatening your life.

      Unlike you I had the luck to befriend some Muslim people, they came from a place with a lot more primitive views but in their core they were exactly like me, like you, given time they became as modern in their ideas as their environment, the same started to happen in many Muslim countries but wars were always halted the progress and people had to start over. What about the fearful Muslims of UAE, maybe they are not as fearful. Travel the world it will make you some good to dismiss some of your outdated beliefs.

      There is a general rule that if you let people live their lives without wars they will prosper, every great Empire/Country came after a great period of peace, ancient Athens (480-430BC, Pericles Era), Rome (Pax Romana), UK (colonial period), USA (post civil war). While, in contrast every evil regime came out of war and repression, some recent 20th Century examples: Stalin (Civil "Bolshevik" war), Hitler (WW I), Various African regimes (civil wars), Mao (China's "reformation"), Al Khomeini's theocracy (Shah repressing people in misery) .........
      What is there not to understand? It is clearer than a crystal clear pond
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -22/+3I think I have broken some bigot hearts.... I really like the fact how I pointed out -at first glance- that the first post I replied was fueled by hidden bigotry, I mean I managed to make this post's replies to be infested by bigots' social inertia. I love the fact how being pro-peace means being exteme-left-wing (which I'm not, I identify myself as an anarcho-capitalist) Muslim-sympathizer idiot who doesn't see before his eyes all the evil conspiracies that those originally evil tribes of the Devil are plotting to kill whities. There was a great man who differentiated people in certain races, others supreme others a lot lower than that, coming to ideologies I think doing the same will help the world a lot, the same way it helped the aforementioned man that differentiated races .....
    • hoserjoe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25@StevetheThickasaPost
      What you miss is that the Iranians/Iraqis/Lebanese are malevolent, ignorant, lying BS artists. This method of lying as if everyone else is stupid, is part of their BS culture. Thus, none of their claims (like the ones you believe) can be considered to be true. Including all their claims of dead babies everywhere, and bombed daycare centers, and innocent mothers with no arms and legs. They lie, therefore everything they say is BS. No sympathy from this reader.
    • foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20@Stevethereallynotsogreat

      "Misrefering to my nick doesn't make you more right than I am."

      I am so sorry I have hurt your feelings. In the future I shall refer to you simply as SteveWhoThinksHimselfGreatSoEveryoneMustAgree, ok ?

      "it's you who finds just Israel's retaliation against 12 casualties with some thousands in the opposition"

      Hizzbalah's action provoked a war. In a war, people die. It happens, and the concept of a "clean war" where only combatants die, nowadays, is wishful thinking. I wish it was different, but it is not. Specially when one of the sides chooses to use the civilian population as a shield and media pawns. If Hizzbalah had any care for the population of Lebanon, they'd think twice before provoking Israel. It's called a detente - now, after he's repeatedly admitted his mistake, Nasrallah will think twice before repeating his ill-fated actions. The detente works.

      "it is you who believes that Muslim extremism have such a grip to the Muslim world that one day a whole flock of 1.5 billion will come in your doorstep calling you infidel"

      I don't need 1.5 billion. I know what 19 did, and I've seen what a single one with a bomb strapped to his chest can do in a restaurant.

      "it is you who bought the fear and allowed such crimes to take place."

      That makes absolutely no sense.

      "Unlike you I had the luck to befriend some Muslim people"

      Funny...where do you get the "unlike" from? You don't know who I am, you don't know my past, you don't know who I befriended or not, where, or when. And yet, you jump to unfounded conclusions. Way to go on trying to win a logical argument, NotSoGreat.

      " the same started to happen in many Muslim countries but wars were always halted the progress and people had to start over."

      Ok, you just shown you have no idea of what you're talking about. Show me ONE modernist movement in an Islamic country that has been stopped by a war. ONE.

      "Travel the world it will make you some good to dismiss some of your outdated beliefs."

      Again, you don't seem to care about knowing what you're talking about before opening your mouth. I suggest you stop and adopt another argumentative direction.

      "every great Empire/Country came after a great period of peace, ancient Athens (480-430BC, Pericles Era), Rome (Pax Romana), UK (colonial period), USA (post civil war)"

      You do realize how much you contradict yourself in this sentence, right? Every single one of these was the fruit of either a defensive, consolidation or an expansionist war (or wars). You seem to be lacking a clue. "Pax Romana" itself was anything but peaceful (what, you don't read Asterix?).

      "What is there not to understand? It is clearer than a crystal clear pond"

      Your version, perhaps. But when you let the mud of those strange things called "facts" get in the way...big no-no. Well, at least now I know who I am trying to have a discussion with. You seem to have come to a battle of wits severely under-gunned.

    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2@hoserjoe: I don't base my assumptions on Iraqi/Iranian/Lebanese reports, I based them to the official numbers which always undermine the truth. Going as far as saying that no Lebanese neighborhood destroyed by Israeli's rockets is to the least ignorant, we have pictures from independent sources, it's you who closes his eyes by saying that things never happened. When Ahmedinejad says that no Jew died in WWII is as ignorant and dangerous as saying that no Israeli killed any Lebanese

      @foopirata:

      "I am so sorry I have hurt your feelings. In the future I shall refer to you simply as SteveWhoThinksHimselfGreatSoEveryoneMustAgree, ok ?"

      I never said you hurt my feelings, that's what you put out of you a$$. I've only pointed out how lame most of your arguments are to lead you to misrefer my name so that using it against my statements (brilliant idea BTW I'm too stupid to be such an artist of the language myself ...)

      "Hezbollah's action provoked a war."

      No, no and not! Except of the possibility of Hezbollah's actions being a red flag (which I think was too far off for you to think), such situations are being called crisis for a reason. If every country initiated an attack every time a situation like this happens, now we would have a wreckage instead of a human civilization. You may not believe it but there are dozens such situations being reported every year (most of them are being buried but they happen anyways), India/Pakistan, S/N Korea, Iran/Iraq, Syria/Jordan, Turkey/Greece, Israel/Palestine (although not an established nation) and many African Counties, etc ...... Living in a country -Greece- that Turkish F16s are trespassing the skies of a foreign country every 10 days or so, or having the Imia crisis pretty recent, *we* have every right to go in there and f*ck some people, only we don't, do you know why? There is some diplomacy going on before any hostile action taking place, something that Israel blatantly lacks, because in the long run war is in the best interests of noone.

      "I don't need 1.5 billion. I know what 19 did, and I've seen what a single one with a bomb strapped to his chest can do in a restaurant."

      Now you are a hypocrite except of everything else. Those 19 people were members of Al Qaeda, a terrorist group, would you say the same about Christians since IRA and ETA are made of Cristian members? You choose your facts and forget everything else, you are manipulating as it goes but you have the bad luck to know less history than I do....

      "That makes absolutely no sense."

      Maybe this answer makes you think how wrong you maybe are. I'll ring you some bells, war in Iraq, 95% of the world population were against it except some select few, most of them living in a country believing the out of place notion that they are in danger, which was a blatant lie in the size of a certain statue in NYC. Everyone's condemning Israel's bully wars, except a select few of a certain country being fueled by a bigot propaganda (which BTW, every single damn time in history have been proved to have absolutely no touch with reality), dehumanizing your enemy is a bad tactic in the 21st century, except for a select few in a certain country holding the pre-historical belief that bigotry is a value and not infinite stupidity.

      "Funny...where do you get the "unlike" from? You don't know who I am, you don't know my past, you don't know who I befriended or not, where, or when. And yet, you jump to unfounded conclusions. Way to go on trying to win a logical argument, NotSoGreat."

      From the same place you draw all your unfounded arguments. Even so, I'm sure I was right you saw me nothing to believe otherwise.

      "Ok, you just shown you have no idea of what you're talking about. Show me ONE modernist movement in an Islamic country that has been stopped by a war. ONE."

      Mohammad Mossadegh's secular government, being overthrown by a coup d'etat organized by CIA's operation Ajax not quite the same as a war but with the same results. Nowadays' Iran struggling to become modernized, unlike their government's theocratic views, let them some more years alone and you'll see how they will toss their theocracy in the Persian gulf. Of course there are other countries being -not directly- been threatened by a war and prospered because of it: Bahrain, Qatar, UAE and Malaysia

      "Again, you don't seem to care about knowing what you're talking about before opening your mouth. I suggest you stop and adopt another argumentative direction."

      Your views seem too plain to believe that you left your town's boarders, of course you can just be stupid in which case my recommendation won't make you any good.

      "You do realize how much you contradict yourself in this sentence, right? Every single one of these was the fruit of either a defensive, consolidation or an expansionist war (or wars). You seem to be lacking a clue. "Pax Romana" itself was anything but peaceful (what, you don't read Asterix?)."

      Every single of them came after wars or based on ongoing wars but that was not my point. My point was that the fact the empire's/country's was not violated for a great amount of time helped them, greatly, to prosper (Attica, Italian peninsula, UK isle, mainland US of A), their homeland knew no war as long as those great peace periods were in place, if it hasn't happened that way -believe me- there would be none of them to remember as great empires .....

      "You seem to have come to a battle of wits severely under-gunned."

      Yeah? How so?
    • foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12@SteveTheContinuouslyDiminishing

      "I never said you hurt my feelings, that's what you put out of you a$$. I've only pointed out how lame most of your arguments are to lead you to misrefer my name so that using it against my statements (brilliant idea BTW I'm too stupid to be such an artist of the language myself ...)"

      Well it must have done something to your ego, to have you so promptly (opening your post) complaining...again, I am sorry, it's just that if you count the diggs, you'll see that not a lot of people seem to agree with your self-esteem.


      "Except of the possibility of Hezbollah's actions being a red flag (which I think was too far off for you to think)"

      And seemingly, too far for Nasrallah as well, since he admitted to it all. I guess you're starting to show your true colors.

      "If every country initiated an attack every time a situation like this happens, now we would have a wreckage instead of a human civilization."

      Which is probably why detente is instituted. And probably why most of the Muslim side of civilization is a wreckage. You know, they do love this kidnapping thing over there. Closely followed by broadcasted decapitations.

      "Living in a country -Greece- that Turkish F16s are trespassing the skies of a foreign country every 10 days or so, or having the Imia crisis pretty recent, *we* have every right to go in there and f*ck some people, only we don't, do you know why? There is some diplomacy going on before any hostile action taking place, something that Israel blatantly lacks, because in the long run war is in the best interests of noone."

      OR, offering an alternative theory, quite more plausible since it is based on facts, Turkey and Greece are two countries that can have a dialog. Israel can't have a dialog with Nasrallah/Hezzb/Iran, since they're still looking for forged excuses (see Shebaa Farms) to justify their existence as "defenders against the occupation". Only there's no occupation. They aim at holding to their weapons so they can seize Lebanon and make it into another Shia "paradise", and for that they use the occupation scapegoat. You can't really expect diplomacy to work with these people, simple because it hasn't ever.

      " You choose your facts and forget everything else, you are manipulating as it goes but you have the bad luck to know less history than I do...."

      I know that not every Muslim is a terrorist. But in my part of the world, every terrorsist has shown to be a Muslim. The potential is there - the will too - so I have only to hope that cooler heads prevail. So far, everyone of them is a threat, because THAT'S HOW THEY DECLARE THEMSELVES. Not me. They. Continuously. Oh, and sorry if I "know" less history than you...I was too busy living it.

      "Maybe this answer makes you think how wrong you maybe are. I'll ring you some bells, war in Iraq, 95% of the world population were against it except some select few, most of them living in a country believing the out of place notion that they are in danger, which was a blatant lie in the size of a certain statue in NYC. Everyone's condemning Israel's bully wars, except a select few of a certain country being fueled by a bigot propaganda (which BTW, every single damn time in history have been proved to have absolutely no touch with reality), dehumanizing your enemy is a bad tactic in the 21st century, except for a select few in a certain country holding the pre-historical belief that bigotry is a value and not infinite stupidity."

      Big words, I'll give you that. At face value, even a worthy argument. But I beg to differ about your "95%" allegation, about your "everyone's" and "all". I think you're way too sure of your generalizations, given what seems to be your political tendency. While eloquency will get you so far, the fact is, there is a war on terror going on, and even your ass is not safe - I seem to remember Athenas in the 70's was one of the preferred airports for the PLO to start hijackings, I guess it's because of the prevalent Helenic approach to terror. Which is probably why they asked for US and GASP! Israeli help when securing the Olympics. So i guess these two countries must have been doing _something_ right after all, no?
      As to dehumanizing your enemy, hey,it seems to have worked for Hizzb, see how you froth when you say Israel.

      "From the same place you draw all your unfounded arguments."

      Which ones, care to specify? Notice I didn't make a simple assumption about your background, experience, knowledge...only about your beliefs as expressed by your posts.

      "Even so, I'm sure I was right you saw me nothing to believe otherwise."

      I am so sorry, but I have no idea what you're meaning, here.

      "Mohammad Mossadegh's secular government, being overthrown by a coup d'etat organized by CIA's operation Ajax not quite the same as a war but with the same results."

      Touche, I'll give you that. It's not a war, but it is good enough as an exception. Unfortunatelly, it is the only one. I know I asked for "one", but I meant in the context of your previous posting - give me a war.

      "Nowadays' Iran struggling to become modernized, unlike their government's theocratic views, let them some more years alone and you'll see how they will toss their theocracy in the Persian gulf."

      You seem very sure of it. Based on what?

      "Your views seem too plain to believe that you left your town's boarders, of course you can just be stupid in which case my recommendation won't make you any good."

      You wouldn't believe the borders I've been over. Don't assume, wait for facts,if they come. It's safer.

      " My point was that the fact the empire's/country's was not violated for a great amount of time helped them, greatly, to prosper (Attica, Italian peninsula, UK isle, mainland US of A), their homeland knew no war as long as those great peace periods were in place, if it hasn't happened that way -believe me- there would be none of them to remember as great empires ....."

      Can we say together - OBVIOUS ?
      If you go thru a period of wars and establish yourself as a superpower (for whatever scale the time period it happens in warrants) then of course you'll have a period of time without violations - everyone will be bloody afraid of messing with you! So, again, what is your point? You're loosing me in the whirlpool of your complexity.

      "Yeah? How so?"

      Read the above as a starting point.
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2"Well it must have done something to your ego, to have you so promptly (opening your post) complaining...again, I am sorry, it's just that if you count the diggs, you'll see that not a lot of people seem to agree with your self-esteem."

      Again, you missed the point. I have no problem whatever you call my lame nick, it makes no difference and since you like it I hereby admit that I'm a fool, albeit I believe I can become better. However what I can't stand is to attack my ideology and my beliefs just because they don't fit in some people's worldview and even worse not to add any credence to their attacks, they just make sensationalist comments. That's why changing my lame nick was wrong, it was only to make sensations detached from the main topic, it was a red flag in this conversation. If people dugg me down just because I supposedly have low self-esteem then it proves my point that people hear the big words instead of pure logic....

      "And seemingly, too far for Nasrallah as well, since he admitted to it all. I guess you're starting to show your true colors."

      I never said I believe it is a red flag, I just said that I considered it at the time. Also if you care to answer "What are my true colors?", because apart of me being anti-war I'm against the line of the Muslim countries.

      "Which is probably why detente is instituted. And probably why most of the Muslim side of civilization is a wreckage. You know, they do love this kidnapping thing over there. Closely followed by broadcasted decapitations."

      You are wrong there, Middle-Eastern Muslim countries are a wreckage and guess how this happened, yeah -right- by westerner's sponsored wars, Iran/Iraq war is a good example

      "OR, offering an alternative theory, quite more plausible since it is based on facts, Turkey and Greece are two countries that can have a dialog."

      Not really, after the illegal Turkish occupation of the Northern Cyprus, Greece had every right to invade Turkey, even backed by the rest of the Europe only it didn't do so. But believe me Greece harmed Turkey as it goes and now Cyprus occupation is the No1 reason Turkey cannot be admitted in the EU. If Greece had taken the bait back then -believe me- it wouldn't make it to the EU or worse to the Eurozone economic collaboration, in two words I wouldn't have that computer to write you from right now. Things were a lot worse between Greece and Turkey in 1974, than it is now between Lebanon and Israel, the only reason the crisis kind of resolved was because there were some rational people from the Greek part, I can't see the same happening from the wise Israeli part, you have to admit that Israeli administration is as irrational as it goes and works -in the long run- against the country's best interests.

      "I know that not every Muslim is a terrorist. But in my part of the world, every terrorist has shown to be a Muslim. The potential is there - the will too - so I have only to hope that cooler heads prevail. So far, everyone of them is a threat, because THAT'S HOW THEY DECLARE THEMSELVES. Not me. They. Continuously. Oh, and sorry if I "know" less history than you...I was too busy living it.
      "

      By your post I can't make out where are you from, either from the US or Israel, because only in Israel Muslims declare themselves through terrorists, in US such things are not happening, so ..... Regardless of that you are heavily biased because there is nothing really happening more in America from Muslims than from other religions, while in Israel they're mostly retaliations against previous hits of the Israeli army in Palestinian positions, which -of course- isn't right but nobody can claim innocence down there.

      "Big words, I'll give you that. At face value, even a worthy argument. But I beg to differ about your "95%" allegation, about your "everyone's" and "all". I think you're way too sure of your generalizations, given what seems to be your political tendency. While eloquency will get you so far, the fact is, there is a war on terror going on, and even your ass is not safe - I seem to remember Athenas in the 70's was one of the preferred airports for the PLO to start hijackings, I guess it's because of the prevalent Helenic approach to terror. Which is probably why they asked for US and GASP! Israeli help when securing the Olympics. So i guess these two countries must have been doing _something_ right after all, no?
      As to dehumanizing your enemy, hey,it seems to have worked for Hizzb, see how you froth when you say Israel."

      War on terror my a$$, it is the same as war in drugs. Terror is an enemy that can be fought only by stopping it happening, not by killing every terrorist, because by then even more terrorists would come out and you have to kill even more. Terrorism is like the Hydra the more heads you cut from it the more come out, but instead of cutting heads you try to decrease the suppression around the world then the Hydra itself would be diminished and in the end would become a minor problem. As an Israeli -I guess that you are- you may know that the more killings the Israeli government does the more terrorists seem to come out from the ashes, I don't think is know better in Israel than it was in 1950s, just think what will happen if US withdraw its support. As for the Athenian airport being a preferred airport for PLO in 1970s, a result of the chaos that the US sponsored coup d'etat of 1967 brought to the country, terrorism was the least of our concerns back then ....

      "You seem very sure of it. Based on what?"

      Based on people I know from Tehran

      "Can we say together - OBVIOUS ?
      If you go thru a period of wars and establish yourself as a superpower (for whatever scale the time period it happens in warrants) then of course you'll have a period of time without violations - everyone will be bloody afraid of messing with you! So, again, what is your point? You're loosing me in the whirlpool of your complexity."

      I'll make it simpler for you. Forget the great empires, see what happens in Norway, in Switzerland, hell even UAE, nobody are afraid of them, they just don't bother and in the meantime these countries achieved some of the greatest HDI's, (Norway being the best place to live). Seeing how warless states prospered while war states are mediocre or even worse struggling makes you pretty clear the value of the war in the long run. With the possible exception of Israel which takes a pretty big sum from the US every other war torn is now a wreckage or struggling pretty hard. What is there not to see?
    • foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"However what I can't stand is to attack my ideology and my beliefs just because they don't fit in some people's worldview"

      Sorry, man, but that's called "having a discussion". Beats the methods of some people, that prefer to behead and kill and maim people that don't agree with their worldview.

      'Also if you care to answer "What are my true colors?", because apart of me being anti-war I'm against the line of the Muslim countries.'

      Good for you, at least we agree on something.

      'You are wrong there, Middle-Eastern Muslim countries are a wreckage and guess how this happened, yeah -right- by westerner's sponsored wars, Iran/Iraq war is a good example'

      I _think_ facts and history prove that they are very well versed in wrecking themselves, thank you very much - you see, so many petrodollars, so little literacy and health care and, should I say, progress.

      "Things were a lot worse between Greece and Turkey in 1974, than it is now between Lebanon and Israel"

      I'll take your word for it, since I know nothing about the subject, and unfortunatelly don't have time to educate myself.

      " you have to admit that Israeli administration is as irrational as it goes and works -in the long run- against the country's best interests."

      It is not the best we ever had, granted, but it is quite this side of irrational. I'd say that someone putting their hands in a bear trap is irrational, i wouldn't call the beartrap irrational for springing close.

      "By your post I can't make out where are you from, either from the US or Israel, because only in Israel Muslims declare themselves through terrorists, in US such things are not happening, so"

      Israel.

      "Regardless of that you are heavily biased because there is nothing really happening more in America from Muslims than from other religions"

      Sorry? Doesn't parse.

      "while in Israel they're mostly retaliations against previous hits of the Israeli army in Palestinian positions, which -of course- isn't right but nobody can claim innocence down there."

      I won't get into the "who started it". But if that's what you believe, you need some more information. Hint: Gaza has not been occupied for quite some time. The day the IDF left, attacks coming from it into cities in Israel proper started.

      "War on terror my a$$, it is the same as war in drugs."

      For the sheer number of things you claim on your 'a$$', for your sake I hope you have a huge one and loads and loads of vaseline...

      "Terror is an enemy that can be fought only by stopping it happening, not by killing every terrorist, because by then even more terrorists would come out and you have to kill even more."

      That's one between many schools of thought. Another is "give peace a chance" and yet another is "terrorize the terrorist". Many options. Nobody to see which one is the golden one, because I (personally) don't believe one exists. Israel does what Israel thinks is best for Israel, same as every other nation on the globe. I guess you have your opinion, they have theirs.

      "Terrorism is like the Hydra the more heads you cut from it the more come out"

      And yet Heracles overcame it by using fire and putting the immortal head under a big rock, no? So I guess strength _is_ an option, even in your analogy.

      "As an Israeli -I guess that you are- you may know that the more killings the Israeli government does the more terrorists seem to come out from the ashes"

      Even if that might be so (which I personally don't believe) the killed terrorist, a mastermind or a planner or a 'ticking bomb' on its way to a hit - didn't kill any Israeli that day. That, my friend, is a good day. Because when the terrorist isn't caught or killed, civilians suffer.


      "As for the Athenian airport being a preferred airport for PLO in 1970s, a result of the chaos that the US sponsored coup d'etat of 1967 brought to the country, terrorism was the least of our concerns back then ...."

      Always someone else's fault, someone else's problem...doesn't it get old at some point?

      "Based on people I know from Tehran"

      All 3 or 30 or 300 of them? Because it seems to me that the Iranian people, while being definitely different from their Arab neighbors, doesn't seem to be in the middle of any kind of shacking up the theocracy. Sure, there are some words thrown at Im-A-Dinner-Jacket here and there, which I suppose are swiftly dealt with. But I don't see anyone going to the streets to declare their no-support to the imans and mullahs. The theocracy seems to me churning along quite well, even finding enough volunteers to export itself outside Iran's borders.

      "I'll make it simpler for you. Forget the great empires, see what happens in Norway, in Switzerland, hell even UAE, nobody are afraid of them, they just don't bother and in the meantime these countries achieved some of the greatest HDI's, (Norway being the best place to live). Seeing how warless states prospered while war states are mediocre or even worse struggling makes you pretty clear the value of the war in the long run."

      You go up and down worse than a yo-yo, my friend. Must be the imbalance provoked by having so many things on your "a$$". So, what is it? Great empires that just had a war or small countries that never had one?
      Get a line and follow it - stop dancing. Same as inter-personal conflict is a fact of life, wars are a fact of life. Accept it. Not every war is just, absolutely no war is clean, definitely not all wars are necessary, but sometimes they are just and necessary. Almost every country at some point has had wars - including Norway, and to some extent of participation, Switzerland and the UAE. Accept war as a fact of life and you'll be better equipped to speak against it when you deem necessary.
      Brazil hasn't had a war for some 400 years, I think. Can't say it's paradise on Earth. Croatia had one not long ago, now I hear they got a great tourism industry coming up there.
      Your case for war as a staller of progress is definitely not supported by facts. Every case is different, as every war comes from a different set of circumstances.

      "With the possible exception of Israel which takes a pretty big sum from the US every other war torn is now a wreckage or struggling pretty hard. What is there not to see?"

      Egypt gets quite a sizable chunk too. What's they excuse in your opinion?
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2@foopirata: Being an Israeli, living next to the hell itself, make many points of yours valid, at first I thought you were either an American or European and speaking such from your armchair, my bad, I'm sure down there, being a "battlefield" everyone cares for survival first and foremost and then for political correctness, but ....... I think you can't just see that you are being used as the pitbull of Europe and US to settle their best interests. As I wrote earlier I don't think Israel would have a better future, if foreign aid would be withdrawn from it you'll see how bad the war is from an economic, purely rationalistic, standpoint, you just can't sustain alone the army costs, I'm not talking here about human cost. How long do you think you could be self-sustainable? Do you think that Americans or Europeans originally love you, they may identify you as the beacon of civilized world in an uncivilized area, formally, but they will turn their backs to you when it isn't worthwhile for them to support you, they will denounce you as war criminals and there will be a blood fest, I'm not a bringer of bad news, but what I speak of is pretty realistic considering what imperial empires did to their "allies" in the past. You have to stop to be enemies with pretty much everyone in the area before your support runs out, this whole terrorizing the terrorists scheme can potentially literally kill you, can't you see it, you will succumb an economic suicide with all those wars, and this only means depression and misery. Once and for all nobody is innocent there, you are being used, as simple as that....

      Just to inform you, in respect with great polls being made in 2005 and 2006 most of the world identifies you as the villain in the area and this means, the beginning of the end has just started. I'm not trying to frighten you, I'm just inviting you to make a tour in Europe, Canada, Australia, even USA these days and ask people's opinion of Israel, I'm sure it will come as a shock to you, you are morally alone ....
    • foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14" As I wrote earlier I don't think Israel would have a better future, if foreign aid would be withdrawn from it you'll see how bad the war is from an economic, purely rationalistic, standpoint, you just can't sustain alone the army costs, I'm not talking here about human cost. How long do you think you could be self-sustainable?"

      Nice pitch. But I think Israel has quite some resources to offer, technologically speaking. There is a booming and thriving hi-tech industry happening there. Not everything we eat is paid by Uncle Sam.

      "Do you think that Americans or Europeans originally love you, they may identify you as the beacon of civilized world in an uncivilized area, formally, but they will turn their backs to you when it isn't worthwhile for them to support you"

      And when will that happen? Oil is running out. Soon it will be renewable energy sources that will speak louder (and Israel is among the leading developers of such technologies, being oil-deprived herself). So what is your point? When is the point of no (economical) return?

      "they will denounce you as war criminals and there will be a blood fest"

      Israel hasn't done anything, and actually much less, than some other countries did in the name of self-defense. So I don't think that's any real problem, any time soon.

      "You have to stop to be enemies with pretty much everyone in the area before your support runs out, this whole terrorizing the terrorists scheme can potentially literally kill you, can't you see it, you will succumb an economic suicide with all those wars, and this only means depression and misery. Once and for all nobody is innocent there, you are being used, as simple as that...."

      You say that as if there was any choice. Please keep in mind, Israel's government hasn't gone on record threatening to wipe another country off the map. It hasn't said it will "be the last one to sign a peace agreement", as Siniora from Lebanon did. It doesn't have on its chart that it's objective is the destruction of another country, as Hamas does. So do you want us to play nice with ? Who wants to sing kumbayah?

      "Just to inform you, in respect with great polls being made in 2005 and 2006 most of the world identifies you as the villain in the area and this means, the beginning of the end has just started. I'm not trying to frighten you, I'm just inviting you to make a tour in Europe, Canada, Australia, even USA these days and ask people's opinion of Israel, I'm sure it will come as a shock to you, you are morally alone ..."

      Even if you were right (polls by the left on the left and for the left have little moral standing on my book, specially when the questions are "On a scale of 1 to 10, how morally reprehensible do you think it is for Israel to defend herself? Do you detest or abhor the killing of little children on purpose by the vile zionists as shown by the saints of Hizzballah?"), I'll tell you one thing: detest me and let me live my life,I don't need you to love me and shed a tear over my grave.
      So keep your information to yourself and your bleeding heart lefties, thank you very much for your "pure" concern.
    • Mnkymen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Foopirata, thanks for helping to put another whack job in his place. I couldn't have responded any better than you have to Stevethegreat. Good job.
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -15/+1"Foopirata, thanks for helping to put another whack job in his place. I couldn't have responded any better than you have to Stevethegreat. Good job."

      Why exactly am I a whack job? For having a different opinion from foopirata or because I'm against war?

      Is it idiotic to be against killing people? Is it idiotic to be against gung-ho policies? Is it idiotic to believe that if everything works right there is no reason for people to kill each other? Is it idiotic to believe that people yearn for prosperity more than for ideologies? Is it idiotic to believe that if you give certain people a chance to prosperity will abandon their medieval beliefs? Is it idiotic to believe that's just what happened to Christians? If everything I wrote is wrong then I'm surely a whack job, but I'm beyond sure that war is the only idiotic thing for the 21st century people to do.

      I don't care what do you believe, but attacking the stability of the world and my well being, then I surely have to care about it.

      Still you didn't convince me why is it bad not to want to kill people .....
    • foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@Stevethegreat

      Per se, my friend, it is not wrong. It is commendable, and I think you're a better person for it.
      The only problem is, in the world we live in, that's naivete at best, and pure madness at the extreme. It's a head-in-the-sand attitude that, believe it or not, only helps to get MORE people killed, by ignoring danger at other's peril. Your clinging to a rosy view of society does a disservice to your cause.
      Not all wars are just or necessary, but some are just and necessary.
    • foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@Mnkymen

      Thanks for the support. I believe Stevethegreat really believes in what he writes, and that must be respected. I just wish he had more information and a more open and inclusive view of what he's looking at.
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2@foopirata: Maybe believing such things 50 years ago may indeed was naive. But in the promise of new technologies, like nanotechnology (which promises, each and every good in a beyond than slim cost), VR (which promises a way for people to put out their instinctive behaviors like killing, or racing fast cars), like Life extension (which promises a twofold young life, increasing its worth by that way), like Nuclear Fusion (which promises infinite power), where does war fit in? Maybe indeed war is essential for now but I don't think it will be for long. I'm maybe naive but I'm rock solid believing that as we became modern people transcending most of our instincts' negative aspects, we have to abandon war as well to make the next step, -I think- it is/will be a part of human (general) evolution.
    • DesScorp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14"Israel? It's a well known fact that nobody touches Israel as soon as US are there to help them."


      Nobody will touch them? That's news to the Israelis.

      They were attacked in 1948: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War

      Then Nasser decided he was going to take it upon himself to wipe out those filthy jews:
      "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis"

      Quote: Egypt has decided to dispatch her heroes, the disciples of pharaoh and the sons of Islam and they will cleanse the Land of Israel....There will be no peace on Israel's border because we demand vengeance, and vengeance is Israel's death. - Gamal Abdel Nasser

      Then Arab armies invaded Israel in 1967: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

      Then Egpyt tried to invade...again...from 68-70: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition

      Then Arabs tried to invade....Again....in 1973: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

      There's the long history of bombings in Israel by the Palestinians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_suicide_attacks

      And of course, then the Arabs kidnap an Israeli soldier and send rockets into Israel last year: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Lebanon_conflict

      So tell me again Israel has nothing to fear? Just how many of those times did the US send troops to help? The Palestinians send suicide bombers, and we STILL give them foreign aid.

    • foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@Stevethegreat

      "Maybe believing such things 50 years ago may indeed was naive."

      Sorry, man, but I think that's naive at any time. The threats change, the necessity to deal with them stays constant.

      "But in the promise of new technologies"

      Any new technology, no matter how peaceful it is, may and probably will be subverted, eventually, in the service of making some have more than others. I find your _excess_ of faith...disturbing. To paraphrase Lord Vader (PBUH).

      "Life extension (which promises a twofold young life, increasing its worth by that way)"

      Right....like the Earth can support many more of us. You think a longer life span is that good? Then sorry, but I got to label you not only as naive, but as selfish too.

      "where does war fit in?"

      In your genes, man. Ever since Og bonked Krug on his scalp with a bone and a stone, we've been at war, over resources, over space, over boredom, over political idiocy, over survival. Make peace with that and we'll welcome you to the rest of the human race. The secret lies into knowing which wars to fight and which ones not to.

      "I'm maybe naive but I'm rock solid believing that as we became modern people transcending most of our instincts' negative aspects, we have to abandon war as well to make the next step, -I think- it is/will be a part of human (general) evolution."

      I don't know if you've been locked in an ashram for too long, if your bong is clogged, or if it is too many reruns of Start Trek, but you, my friend, need to get out more and smell the roses. I may sound pessimistic but I think of myself as a realist. Humankind is a predator species, and that won't change so soon. I wish we could all live in the same rosy world you seem to live, but out here on Real World (TM), things aren't that good.
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2I was speaking for the post Yom Kippur era. Since you posted a handful wikipedia links of the Arab-Israeli wars I still can't get why it is so wrong to give Palestinians their damn Gaza strip and retreat to the 1948 rightful boarders and then wait for their reply. If they continue their bombings then there will be no confusion of them being either guerrillas or terrorists. Israel gives them every right to continue killing people, giving their lands is not bowing down to terrorism, because Palestinians were there long before the formation of Israel. After that Israel won't have to give an inch of their land and every inch taken by Arabs would mean rightful retaliation. Why Israel doesn't get for once right in the eyes of the Western world so that demonstrate who are the original troublemakers?
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1@foopirata: Wake me up when scientists find a war gene in humans, till then you are as wrong and unscientific as it goes.

      As for life extension, deal with it, we have it going on till people applied the first medications, we already exceeded our limits and bioengineering will continue to do so. You say me naive now but I'll be proved a lot more realist than you are and there is nothing selfish wanting to survive, it's what makes as humans, war it's just a side effect wanting to survive more. From your dark view of the world I wonder how you haven't committed suicide yet, if you're OK trapped in your mediocrity and your human nature then why do you live for?

      We're hacking ourselves for thousands of years, what was "human" 50000 years ago is not human anymore, what will be human is not what it is right now. The world is dynamic, it progresses all the time, there are no patterns repeating. You are the one who have to smell the roses and come out of your social inertia, you're not living in the world your grandpa lived, your grandchildren won't live in the world you live. I'm already out there and watching the world changing and heading to new undiscovered areas, where are you in a middle-class apartment waiting the end of your days?
    • foopirata, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6"Wake me up when scientists find a war gene in humans, till then you are as wrong and unscientific as it goes."

      I guess it is just too much to ask of you to get connected to reality. People. Fight. It's. A. Fact. Of. Life. I don't know how I can be more clear. Just look around you.

      "As for life extension, deal with it, we have it going on till people applied the first medications, we already exceeded our limits and bioengineering will continue to do so."

      I did not say it is not happening. I just said it is not generally a good thing for humankind.

      "You say me naive now but I'll be proved a lot more realist than you are and there is nothing selfish wanting to survive, it's what makes as humans, war it's just a side effect wanting to survive more."

      So you just admitted that I am right, and that war is just a human trait. Thanks for the admission.

      "From your dark view of the world I wonder how you haven't committed suicide yet, if you're OK trapped in your mediocrity and your human nature then why do you live for?"

      I still have to be around to kick little flower-children like you in their "a$$" so they can move on with the show. I am here juuuuuuust for you.

      'We're hacking ourselves for thousands of years, what was "human" 50000 years ago is not human anymore, what will be human is not what it is right now.'

      Dude are you a pharmacist or related to one? I wonder what you put in your breakfast. Everybody now, hooooow many roads must a man waaaalk down, befoooore they call him a maaaaan....

      "The world is dynamic, it progresses all the time"

      Yup. Agreed.

      "there are no patterns repeating."

      Dude called Mandelbrot and an army of mathematicians would disagree with you, but hey, let's not let facts get in the front of a good trip, eh?

      "You are the one who have to smell the roses and come out of your social inertia, you're not living in the world your grandpa lived, your grandchildren won't live in the world you live."

      Social inertia? Man, I'm the one putting my "a$$" (actually, my ass) in the line of fire for something I believe in instead of sitting on the Pireus spouting pseudo-hippie bar-stool philosophy. I am making my world safer than the one my grandpa's had to FLEE from, and my land better for my grandchildren with my work. Get off your high horse.

      "I'm already out there and watching the world changing and heading to new undiscovered areas, where are you in a middle-class apartment waiting the end of your days?"

      As I said before, you're watching. I'm doing. Come join and perhaps you'll learn to see the world as it is, not as you'd like it to be. Then you might have any hope and chance of making it better, without hiding behind your when's and if's of bottled sci-fi and wishful thinking.

    • zombo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5stevethegreat what?
    • Stevethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"I am here juuuuuuust for you."
      Since the topic gone pretty much dead since I stopped answering in personal attacks, I just want to present the fallacy of your argument. I asked you what's your aspirations in you life/ why do you live and your answer was obviously a lie. Since you don't know me and how I live -you don't even have an idea of my ideology apart from the bit few I commented on this thread- you can't have lived your life just for me. You could avoid my question but instead you gave me a false answer, so don't believe not even for a second that you gave me an answer, that was trash, not an answer, you have to admit it. Apart from all this I gave up trying to make you understand my point cause I understood it is impossible since you diverted the conversation in unconnected topics all the time. So I gave up debating with you since you don't actually want a conversation but rather a "truthiness" show ......
  • JammieWF, on 10/12/2007, -14/+50Some seriously cheesy fauxtography.
    • stillthinking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11*I* could have done a better job with a magic marker.
  • wetfun, on 10/12/2007, -34/+41I guess the Demos will say this excuses Iran supplying arms and training to Iraqi insurgents
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -36/+54The useful idiots will use a "moral equivalency" argument -- Bush did it with WMDs in Iraq so how can we say anything about Iranian photoshoping? We must be defeated now!
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -24/+7Who's going to be "defeating" us again?
    • Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13@masterm1nd

      You never know, there's plenty of stupid to go around in the world....no one ever said Iran had a good disinformation strategy....
    • Leviathan777, on 10/12/2007, -10/+1@ masterm1nd

      and with a whole ***** of bad information flooded to the press - not even our own generals will stand up for it - not even tony snow - the whole whitehouse backpedalling and claiming they had nothing to do with it. HAHAHHAHAHAHAH. you gullible *****.

      so... another ***** Bush admin propaganda ploy falls into the ditch (like, say, the WMDs in Iraq, Jessica Lynch, Pat Tilman, just to name a couple of the hundreds of examples), and suddenly we have evidence that - oh, Iran - aren't they the ***** enemy an *****? - are faking evidence against us!!!!11!1!!

      yeah, no counter-intellgence ops there. nope, no way.

      /you inbred gullible *****
  • JamilHussein, on 10/12/2007, -13/+57I am shocked! Shocked I tell you!
    At how lousy the Photoshop work is.
    • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -23/+42Jamil Hussein is real! Where did they find you?
    • NotaSlickFan, on 10/12/2007, -18/+11Man, "JamilHussein" and "admiraladama", you guys crack me up! Keep it going and you could be the modern day version of "Martin and Lewis". I'm sincere. I appreciate what you two write. P.S "anothercanadian" is, well--another canadian! I do enjoy Ackroyd, Carrey and Moranis etc, but Howie Mandel? Take him back, please! We'll gladly GIVE you Babs Streisand in the deal! But, the aforementioned 'anothercanadian' commenter is a loser and not funny at all. Really.
    • 5N00PY, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Maybe Jamile Hussein was hiding out with Mohammad AlDura...
    • NotaSlickFan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3So funny, I reply to compliment fellow DIGGER's and get DUGG down. I still say "Martin and Lewis" as the exchange was quite funny. Maybe many here have no clue as to who Martin and Lewis are. Oh well.
    • NotaSlickFan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I'm still laughing!
  • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -27/+53The Iranian design schools are so humiliated we may see the first graphic-designer suicide bomber soon!
  • PeaceAtAllCosts, on 10/12/2007, -22/+12Those little sneaky Iranians.....next time you can do better
  • reutersrutter, on 10/12/2007, -17/+18Looks more like my work!
  • Endtroducing, on 10/12/2007, -11/+42Who did they think they were fooling?
  • RationalLady, on 10/12/2007, -13/+30When will they learn? On the other hand, do we want them to? Nah....this is too much fun!
  • tredglx, on 10/12/2007, -15/+29So this is where the disgraced al Reuters fauxtog found work...
  • 5N00PY, on 10/12/2007, -20/+39This has 120 diggs...why isn't it on the front page?!
    • datcrazydj, on 10/12/2007, -22/+8Because the link is dead.
    • wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -13/+17Link works just fine
    • holzp, on 10/12/2007, -18/+6Obviously Iranian cyber-terrorism.
    • Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25It is that unobvious some people don't want this to be on the front page?
    • dingdingding, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11It's a conspiracy!
  • illycoffee, on 10/12/2007, -20/+4Time to crush.

    Qifsha Iranin ne pidh.
  • santa7, on 10/12/2007, -19/+11didn't even make it to front page and it's down!
    • lunchbucket, on 10/12/2007, -9/+27Made the front page 1 minute ago, 3:40 p.m. MST , @ 190 diggs.
    • lunchbucket, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25272 diggs @ 3:50 pm. This one won't be buried off the front page.
  • AnotherCanadian, on 10/12/2007, -52/+15AdmiralAdama , you are a blind, hypocritical idiot. look at the ***** war crimes america has committed all around the world (namely keeping south america from developing) and then try shutting the ***** up
    • rlh1, on 10/12/2007, -24/+32Curious,

      How does America prevent Sout America from developing.
      I know that they have had a big presence in central America but I don't know of them in South America,
      They trade actively with Chile,
      got any hard examples?
    • natty27, on 10/12/2007, -12/+37at least we didnt set celine dion upon the world. zing!
    • AnotherCanadian, on 10/12/2007, -35/+8Venezuela. funding the media corporations and political parties that tried overthrowing chavez (the most elected leader in the world) in 2002

      and yes, central america is the term i should have used
    • JonGalt, on 10/12/2007, -19/+36We hold them down? Last I checked they were the ones electing Communists then allowing them to steal all private enterprise for the "common good"?! LOL get a life dude and wake up. Capitalism wins Socialism loses. So in summary: You lose.
    • AnotherCanadian, on 10/12/2007, -36/+19chavez is a democratically elected leader (with more than twice the support bush has).
      since he took power, he used the profits from the nationalized oil fields and increased social funding from 40 million dollars a year (under capitalism) to over 1.5 billion dollars a year. he also borrowed over 1.2 billion dollars from china to build homes for the poor, as well as building schools and teaching them how to read. every night he addresses the nation for up to three hours, telling them exactly what is happening in government. it will become the most transparent government in th world. america has painted him as evil because he wants to kick out corporations and use the oil money for the good of his own people
    • manchu2, on 10/12/2007, -14/+44@AnotherCanadian:

      "chavez (the most elected leader in the world)"

      Yup, the most elected leader in the world. Thanks to his newly acquired powers to rewrite laws by personal decree, I'm sure he'll continue to be re-elected for years and years. "CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez defended his plans to rewrite dozens of laws by decree, saying his country has a vibrant democracy and that the world's real "tyranny" is led by President Bush. Signing a newly approved congressional measure that grants him broad lawmaking powers, Chavez said it will allow for changes to lead the country toward socialism but denied it poses any threat to democracy or individual freedoms." ( http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/02/02/chavez.venezuela.ap/index.html ) Not everyone in Venezuela was so sure about that, though:
      - "If you have all the power, why do you need more power?" said Luis Gonzalez, a high school teacher who paused to watch in the plaza, calling it a "media show" intended to give legitimacy to a repugnant move. "We're headed toward a dictatorship, disguised as a democracy." ( http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/01/31/chavez.venezuela.ap/index.html )
      - "Historian Ines Quintero said that with the new powers, Chavez will achieve a level of "hegemony" that is unprecedented in Venezuela's nearly five decades of democratic history." ( http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/01/31/chavez.venezuela.ap/index.html )

      There's your hero.
    • AnotherCanadian, on 10/12/2007, -24/+8he was given that power unanimously by the legislature. 400 people, all upper class, showed up to protest it.
    • manchu2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25@AnotherCanadian:

      I want you to step back for a moment, take a deep breath, and think about what you just typed:
      "he was given that power unanimously by the legislature"

      Then go back and read the CNN.com articles I linked to: "Chavez's opponents at home have been strongly critical of the "enabling law" approved Wednesday by the entirely pro-Chavez National Assembly, calling it a lurch toward authoritarianism" (http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/02/02/chavez.venezuela.ap/index.html )

      A law unanimously passed by an ENTIRELY PRO-CHAVEZ NATIONAL ASSEMBLY. That's some remarkable feat! This is old Communist style Politburo stuff here.
    • lunchbucket, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17AnotherCanadian--

      The New York Times is no pal of the Chimpler either, but even they don't share your rosy take on Chavez:

      http://www.danieldrezner.com/archives/003167.html
    • Egfrow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Communism and Socialism are what are holding South America back. It's has a much stronger European influence than America does. FARC is a a communist group in Colombia. The current president Ortega of Nicaragua was with the Sandinista which is a communist revolutionary group. Hugo Chavez. Well. That speaks for it's self. Communists need to blame capitalists for all the problems that socialism and communism bring. That's the only way the can maintain power via deception or what we normal people like to refer to as Propaganda. The big problem with people such as yourself is that you only repeat what is said. Capitalism coupled with a limited Constitutional Republic. (aka the Free West) has provided all the assets, technology, and weaponry, fit to copy and steal to be used against societies that permit their free creation. Like the keyboard you sit at. The planes you fly one. The cars you drive. A/C you enjoy. The smell of fresh clean clothes from a clothes dryer. All are come from a free capitalist system. There is are stark moral differences between these ideologies that most people never really understand. Mediocrity, the diminishing of true greatness and genius in lieu making everyone the same as the weakest link. This is to say all are equal even the lazy to the hard working. All must be shared for the greater good even if all don't produce a thing. This is the problem with South America. Viva la Revolucion!!
  • AnotherCanadian, on 10/12/2007, -44/+16i find it ironic that iran is doing exactly what america is doing (claiming the other is supplying the enemy with weapons without any evidence)
    • JonGalt, on 10/12/2007, -23/+16Are you a retard? Or just a retard? Either answer is fine in your case.
    • Glynth, on 10/12/2007, -11/+30Next time you claim we don't have evidence... um, be sure we actually DON'T have evidence. Because it's painfully obvious.

      For one - and just one piece - of evidence, see:
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml

      Which just happens to be another article highlighted by LGF: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24426_Iranian_Sniper_Rifles_in_Iraq&only

      Y'see, whether you happen to like the FACTS they find or not, conservatives are QUITE "in the know" about a lot of things. Things that SHOULD be common knowledge, but blind Lefties somehow don't connect the (obvious) dots, miss the (obvious) big picture, ignore and in fact repress/attack the details that lead to the WHOLE truth. (Notice, I say "blind Lefties," not "Leftists - who are of course ALL blind" - if you don't catch the difference, that's your problem.)
    • AnotherCanadian, on 10/12/2007, -28/+7and yet righties were blind enough to buy into the WMD ***** that bush spoon-fed them
    • Glynth, on 10/12/2007, -9/+27Uh huh. You stick with those talking points. It's not like they've been disproven a thousand times over or anything.
  • drbroccoli, on 10/12/2007, -14/+25Do we even use 7.62x39 mm in any of our weapons ever there?
    • vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -12/+25The only US weapon I can think of off the top of my head that uses 7.62mm is the M240G. And ammo for that only comes pre-linked. In fact all the ammo when in boxes, is just a plain brown box with green/black printing.
    • manchu2, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18I think the M240G is 7.62x54, though (Wikipedia says 7.62 x 51...maybe i'm thinking of the PKM round). A 7.62x39 would fit an older (and more common) AK-series weapon.
    • jdun, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17The 7.62 x 39 is not use by US forces. However, Special Forces do train with weapons that chamber that cartridge but they do not use it as standard. The standard (common) cartridges for US forces is 5.56x45, 7.62x51, 9mm, .45ACP (Special Forces and a few military personnel), and 50BMG.
    • RedBoots269, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Not entirely true..... We manufacture the second most amount of AK-47's in the world, and the ammo to go with it. IIRC, we make all of the weapons supplied to both the Afghan and Iraqi Armies.... and it wouldn't surprise me to find out that some of that stuff ends up in Iran!

      I do dispute, however, that we'd be dumb enough to leave fingerprints on an attack inside Iranian territory. Let's face the sad truth here. The Iranians are a bunch of dishonest, overbearing, menacing, and sneaky bastards. (I am only speaking generally about their military and Government) I would not be a damn bit surprised to find out that what they claim to be our weapons used inside Iran, were actually equipment that their Badr Brigades stole from inside Iraq, or were provided inside Iraq (because we have had a hard time with Badr brigades soldiers enlisting in the ICDC, and not being able to vet the new recruits properly).

      So to attempt to compare this as a US fingerprint on activities inside Iran, (and a terrible attempt at a photoshopping) to a situation like that of the Steyr .50 rifles used, and confiscated inside Iraq...... Well, that's a very far stretch. At least we have the serial #'s to track the Steyr rifles back, and we're talking about 15% + of one order. I guess that a ton of people here in the US could be linked to "Terror" simply because they have surplus ammunition from Middle Eastern countries. That's basically what this little endeavor into the world of the Iranian spin (propaganda) machine has proven....... LESS THAN NOTHING!

      Oh.... and 1 more thing...... Anyone can buy ammo from another country! Just because a box says it was made somewhere doesn't mean that it was being used by that country. Almost all of the Ammo suppliers around the world sell their excess supply onto the civilian market! This is why we see tons and tons of Excess Chinese 7.62, Israeli 5.56 (excess stock from orders to NATO), UAE 5.56, (not much left, since our Gov't bought all it could get it's hands on.... and I have about a 1/2 case of it too) Russian 7.62, S. African 7.62x39, and so forth. I hope this helps to educate the masses about ammo.
  • Skid32, on 10/12/2007, -17/+25I hate to say this, but the state of American politics has nothing to do with how factual this news story it.

    I'm ashamed to have a person like you in my country, AnotherCanadian.
  • wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -15/+10Front page now.... Yea.... DIGG rules
  • eunichs, on 10/12/2007, -13/+14Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has always been an Adobe fanboy.
  • J4320, on 10/12/2007, -10/+27Here's a flash demonstration from the article "yourmom" posted ---

    http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n212/DarUlHarb/IranianPhotoshop.swf
  • soot, on 10/12/2007, -20/+7Oh no, Photoshop?

    Well, I guess that means war is the only option.
  • tanob, on 10/12/2007, -21/+1test
    • vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8Congratulations, your tubes to the internets are working.
  • AdmiralAdama, on 10/12/2007, -17/+35A salute to all my Lizardoid friends. Welcome.
  • brhb, on 10/12/2007, -30/+3has anyone on digg heard of any other graphics editor than adobe photoshop? It must be the dogs b***ocks, I'm ***** sick of hearing about this program.
    • theratster, on 10/12/2007, -13/+12Iran Uses Paint Shop Pro: Fake Pic "Reveals" US Terror Arms

      better?
    • vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25Photoshop, much like Google, has also become a generic noun, and a verb. Get over it.
  • thatsmyaibo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+35Note to self: look for design job in Iran. They are in desperate need.
  • wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -12/+14Lizardoid friends. Welcome.


    However, Digg has shut littlegreenfootballs down with so much traffic.
  • wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6any other graphics editor than adobe photoshop?

    sure I use GIMP

    its way better, and free
    • protiek, on 10/12/2007, -13/+11You really must not understand why people use photoshop then. They don't use it because they enjoy spending a lot of money unnecessarily, they use it because the alternatives you suggest (i.e. GIMP) can't hold a candle to Photoshop.
    • wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -10/+5GIMP can do basic Photoshop. Thats all most folks need.

      So dump the expensive stuff.
    • derek20cali, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11You can do more than just the basics. You can do (almost) anything in gimp that you can do in PS. This is a good place to learn a lot of advanced stuff: http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/
  • holzp, on 10/12/2007, -7/+41If those were actually American bullets they would not say 'Made in the USA", they would say in teeny print on the back "Made in China."
  • brodiesel, on 10/12/2007, -25/+9Let us remember which of the two countries tried unsuccessfully to make peace with the other.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6274147.stm
    • Glynth, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20... Are you daft? Next I suppose you'll tell me Israel is "rejecting peace" because they refuse to negotiate with terrorists, and (no coincidence) Hamas, aka "half the Palestinian government," has it right in there charter that they aim (through terrorism, as has been proven time and time again) to eliminate Israel, violently. Oh, wait. That's *exactly* what you're likely to tell me. Never mind. (Also... it's a bad example because Israel *does* negotiate with terrorists, rather stupidly I might add, but it gets the point across.)
    • brodiesel, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4wait... did you actually even click the link to read the article? it has nothing to do with hamas and israel, it has to do with cheney rejecting a truce offered by iran. but if you must mention israel, hamas has in their charter that they do not "recognize" israel, just as israel has in their charter that they do not "recognize" palestine.
      seriously, tho, did you even look at it?
    • NoamSayin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Brodeisel, this would require a major leap of faith in believing that Iran would actually honor its side of the deal. They've been at war with us for nearly 30 years, and all of a sudden they want to concede - when we haven't even started fighting back yet?

      It's never a good idea to negotiate with terrorist, state or otherwise. We're in the $#!+ we're in now because various entities over the past few decades have made some kind of concession to thugs and murders.
    • brodiesel, on 10/12/2007, -9/+0Since it appears you actually looked at the page, please explain what the US had to lose by agreeing to it, particularly since Iran was offering the US everything the US wants from them (besides their oil).
    • brodiesel, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1good job fascists, you successfully buried an honest question.

      this page makes me feel like a conspiracy theorist. I am honestly starting to believe that the posters are a bunch of guys sitting around in the state department trying to stifle dissent, because I just cant believe that there are this many psycho right-wingers in the world.
  • jerbaker, on 10/12/2007, -21/+11I read through the whole list of comments waiting for all the conservatives to come out of the woodwork screaming about what a liberal bias LGF has and how we can't believe any "news" that comes from this site. Strangely, I didn't find any such comments. Perhaps they sleep during the daylight hours?
    • wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -15/+30No, they are the reality based community. They actually have facts.

      Dan Rather sure found out.
    • Skid32, on 10/12/2007, -14/+30Actually it is usually the liberals who come out of the woodworks and do the ranting, the conservatives (such as myself) like this news story just fine.
    • Sharmuta, on 10/12/2007, -10/+28liberals hate LGF
  • waveking, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3http://www.duggmirror.com
  • Hindu_Wardrobe, on 10/12/2007, -11/+21Mirror:
    http://littlegreenfootballs.com.nyud.net:8080/weblog/?entry=24492_Iranian_Fauxtography_Bust&only
  • sub1, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26This reminds me of those "lebonon photo's" when western medias tryed to make Israel look bad...
    • ronh, on 10/12/2007, -27/+11Trying to make Israel look bad, you don't need photoshop to do that.
    • Glynth, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25To expand on ronh's point - it doesn't take evidence, photoshopped or otherwise, to make Israel look bad to a many liberals. Nope, no evidence needed. They already "know."
  • bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -16/+6Wow look at the mob mentality kill the comments on this article!
  • uberdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20Can't they afford to hire someone who's good at Photosho? Is there an Iranian Craigslist?
    • ronh, on 10/12/2007, -15/+3They stick to GIMP.
    • 5N00PY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Iran's been experimenting with photo shop for years. If you have friends from Iran, ask to take a look at their passport photos - you'll see they're air-brushed. Passport photos.

      (I wish I could get someone to do that to my Driver's License photo.)
  • givemereplay, on 10/12/2007, -41/+15Why in God's name would I trust a conservative blogger about this?
    • GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36Sheesh. Charles Johnson is not a conservative. Exposing Iranian attemtps to implicated the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT in a attack in their country is a serious event.
    • Vincep1974, on 10/12/2007, -17/+37LOL But you'll trust Iran. You ***** autistic retard.
    • wintermd, on 10/12/2007, -14/+25Why would I trust a liberal? Well if cut and run was all they can think of????
    • Glynth, on 10/12/2007, -10/+29Well, gee, if you could look past your nose you might see that LGF doesn't MAKE or WRITE the news, they merely get the word out.
    • givemereplay, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2"Exposing Iranian attemtps to implicated the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT in a attack in their country is a serious event."

      Kind of like how the United States has been implicating Iran in an attacks in Iraq, even thought they don't have any evidence? Oh no, how could they! I must be a liberal left wing east coast/hollywood communist moonbat!
  • jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26lol, one thing is clear: iranians sucks at photoshop
  • neonenergy, on 10/12/2007, -16/+3Why are all the first comments dugg down?

    Big Brother is watching you
    • NoamSayin, on 10/12/2007, -11/+28Liberals don't like seeing the truth.

      Want proof? See how quickly my post gets dugg-down.
    • NoamSayin, on 10/12/2007, -10/+26It took a half hour? I'm so disappointed in you liberals.

      Hey, here's a thought. Instead of just giving a post the thumbs down - this one notwithstanding - why don't you try to offer a rebuttal? Of course, that would take some knowledge, some ability to offer reasoned, substantive debate, and ability to look at counter-arguments without wetting your pants...
    • RockTheWall, on 10/12/2007, -23/+4We don't indulge hypocrites.
    • Ark7, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25Or you're just an intellectual coward. But yeah, it must be that you have better things to do than to defend your ideals. That's it.
    • NoamSayin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21@rockthewall

      You don't really know what that word means, do you?
  • Bamont, on 10/12/2007, -10/+31"I am very surprised. I never knew an entire country had the arms or opposable digits to "photoshop" something. Seriously, people. Specify something: Iranian government, Iranian press, Iranian Photoshoppers Union of Severely Upsettable Individuals. Lets actually narrow down the entity to something applicable here as an entire country lacks the prowess, will, and even common mindset to collectively "photoshop" something, or do many things we attribute to an entire country. Don't sensationalize this ***** further."

    It's apparent that you're an ill-informed, leftist idiot who probably refuses to believe anything you disagree with.

    If you're intelligent and informed, then you'd realize that almost ALL of the Iranian press is controlled by the government, certain things from AP and Reuters are filtered out of broadcasts if they have to do with the Iranian Government. So, if you are capable of simple deduction (which is something you probably missed out on when you dropped out of high school to rebel against "The Man") - then you'd realize that something like this was influenced by the government.
    • Glynth, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21That poster is a hypocrite. You can't take what he says seriously. It is common practice to refer to the actions of a government by referring to the name of the nation. And the press of Iran is CONTROLLED by the government. It's a fascist country. Funny that the Left can spend hours ranting about "Little Green Fascists" (title bestowed by them upon LGF) but rarely in an environment such as this logic prevail among the Left. (I know many liberals with far more brainpower than the average Leftist poster here, but if they DID post here utilizing a modicum of that reasoning (reasoning I'd still disagree with at times), they'd be called "conservatives" and thus branded hatemongers, warmongers, etc. etc.)
    • givemereplay, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1Actually, it's a functioning democracy, not a totalitarian state. I'm stunned that all it takes is a news source from Iran printing a shopped photo for you and your kin to basically call for the blood of the infidel.
    • ASHole71, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Actually it is not:

      Government type: theocratic republic

      The Islamic Republic of Iran was established in 1979 after a populist revolution toppled the Pahlavi monarchy. The Constitution, ratified after the revolution by popular referendum, established a theocratic republic and declared as its purpose the establishment of institutions and a society based on Islamic principles and norms. The Government is dominated by Shi'a Muslim clergy. The Head of State, Ayatollah Ali Khamene'i, is the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution and has direct control over the armed forces, the internal security forces, and the judiciary.

      Mohammad Khatami was elected to a second 4-year term as President in a popular vote in June 2001, with 77 percent of the vote. A popularly elected 290-seat unicameral Islamic Consultative Assembly, or Majles, develops and passes legislation. Reformers and moderates won a landslide victory in the February 2000 Majles election, and constituted a majority of that body; however, the Council of Guardians and other elements within the Government blocked much of the early reform legislation passed by the Majles.

  • williebob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18
    It isn't even a good photoshop.
  • edm1950, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Idunno looks good enough for the Globe and Insider. Definitely better than the Midnight.
  • Ninja337, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16It's a shop. I can tell because of a few pixels, and seeing quite a few shops in my time.
    • babylonian, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9You kind of butchered the meme, but you still get my digg because it fits so well here.
  • jdun, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19You know what stupid abut this picture. You can tell right out that it is a fake by the box that marked USA. God forbid that we send those troops with weapons and ammo that have US marking. If they are going to do it might as well make it somewhat believable.

    If I were an US agent and wants to arms those people, all I have to do is just go to a tribal leader and hand them a few thousands dollars. It’s not like there no AKs or 7.62 x 39 ammo in the area that we needed to import it from the USA.

    I wonder what picture they cut that ammo box from.
    • NomadOfNorad, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11The label was probably from a prop from a movie, or something. :-D
      • pincherudy, on 03/17/2008, -0/+0I think I saw that in the new Wal-Mart Spring 2008 Catalog :P
  • jdun, on 10/12/2007, -11/+1.......
    .....
  • JoeOReilly, on 10/12/2007, -24/+2I'm not to suprised Iran doesn't like the US and the UK. After all, we sold weapons to Iraq, when Iraq was attacking Iran and then proceded to ignore the conflict, while Iran had to send forward troops as young as 13.
    • Prescott, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24 joeoreilly, you should try brushing up on your history a bit before you continue to make stupid comments.
    • JoeOReilly, on 10/12/2007, -24/+4Maybe you should, as the US and UK sold the Iraqis weapons and the fact seems to pass everyone by. It seems we all forget the bad things that the major western nations have done.
      • pincherudy, on 03/17/2008, -0/+1Dude you are a discredit to the name O'Reilly. LAY OFF THE KOOL-AID, LOL
    • Vincep1974, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28joe:

      You dont know *****

      If you look at that, you'll see that we sold Iraq less than 1% of thier military purchases.

      http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/TIV_imp_IRQ_75-05.pdf/download

      Please take your talking points to Dhimiitudes.org

    • bcismar, on 10/12/2007, -7/+30joeoreilly

      Way to go. don't let ignorance get in the way of shouting out a lefty talking point.

      How about you break out a list of the US supplied weapons to Iraq. I can easily provide a 20 to 1 ratio of Soviet weapons that were in the Iraq arsenal. Why? Because is was the USSR that equipped Iraq, not the US. In the Iraq Iran war, it was Iran that used US made weapons which were provided before the Shaw was sold out by,,, oh yeah,,, that champion of the Democrats Left, Jimmy "Frightened of Rabbits" Carter.

      Now if you want to accuse the French of selling weapons to Iraq, you will be well on your way to being right. But why reveal the complicity of the lefts model nation, and end up GOREing your own Ox?

      When will the adults form the left speak up on Digg?

      Oh yeah. I forgot.
      You can't be an adult and a digg Lefty.
      That would be an Oxymoron
      Emphasis on MORON.
    • 1longtime, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3joeoreilly has a good point, just a bit naive.

      Nearly EVERY major country meddled with Iran and Iraq. US, USSR, China, UK, France.... EVERYONE. These countries supplied weapons (including chemical), money, everything you need to keep a war going.

      Read up on the Iran-Iraq War. Critical to understanding the region.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War#Military_armaments.2Ftechnology
    • hoserjoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21@joeoreilly
      Joe, the numbers are freely available on the internet, so no need to make a spectacular ass of yourself in public claiming that the US and UK supplied all of Iraq's weapons. Iraq's biggest weapons suppliers were actually Russia and France. Oh, I guess we can give you credit for the 1/2 mile long Iraqi super cannon built in the UK to hurl atomic bombs and old Ladas at Israel, except everybody thought it was some kind of a joke.
      • pincherudy, on 03/17/2008, -0/+0Ummm hoserjoe, Liberals EXCEL at making spectacular assese of themselves in public. Don't you watch CNN/NBC/CBS?? :P
    • Vincep1974, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27According to the document I linked to.. here is the percentage each country had in Arms sales to Iraq during the entire time period of Saddam's regime:

      USSR 54.78
      France 13.67
      China 12.33
      Czechoslovaki