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Iran Names CIA "Terrorist Organization"--A NEW PLAYER IN THE WAR on TERROR

deathby1000papercuts.blogspot.… — The Terrorist Designation market is getting crowded. With its economy in shambles, Iran has sought to muscle it's way into a domain usually reserved for the United States, the country which had 3000 of its citizens murdered in one incident. From the AP

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  • ZenMojo, on 11/05/2007, -23/+267Considering the CIA overthrew its democratically elected government and helped Iraq lay waste to the country with arms sales and intelligence, well, yes, the CIA is a terrorist organization.

    "It isn't known yet Iran's position on the storming of another country's embassy, taking foreign diplomats hostage, threatening nuclear annihilation and advocating extermination of particular religious groups. A good guess would be that no statements on these activites are planned."

    LOL, that's funny. The US Army has done all but one of these things in the last year....
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -64/+8So I guess you're saying the Iraq-Iran War was a CIA plot?

      And I think I missed the story about the US Army storming an embassy and taking diplomats hostage...
      That country would be?
      • eclipse007, on 10/10/2007, -5/+73US took five Iranian diplomats hostage a while ago, no charges as of yet, no access to lawyer, etc. Iraqi government insists that they were in Iraq by invitation and were doing legitimate diplomatic business.
        Couple of weeks ago another diplomat (this time in Kurdistan of Iraq) was detained, similar to last time the Iraqi government dismissed all allegations that US army made but can't do anything about it.
        http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0924/p99s01-duts.htm ...

        And btw, these are only two examples, in one country, in a short time.
      • arsalan, on 10/10/2007, -5/+33"So I guess you're saying the Iraq-Iran War was a CIA plot?" yes, it actually was. Iran-Iraq war happened after Iran's Shah left and since Iran had a lot of weapons given to by US, US aka CIA wanted to clear all those out of the country, therefore, they came up with the brightest idea of "lets attack Iran by using our little bitch, Saddam"
      • digsig, on 10/10/2007, -5/+28Ehhh, they did worse. They BOMBED another country's embassy : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Bombing_of_the_C ...
      • heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14How soon we forget one democratically elected leader in Chile called Salvador Allende in 1973 !
        Or the time they had their collective asses handed back to them on a plate by mobs of irate poorly educated peasants in a country called Nicaragua in the eighties, when they attempted with out much success to reinstall the very evil Somoza family back in Managua along with a number of known drug runners , after the local peasants got tired of their habit of stealing ninety nine cents in the dollar routine !
        Perhaps , you should also ask as to why the CIA is shielding a non US citizen Cuban , wanted in connection to a terrorist incident involving the bombing of a passenger plane too ?
    • metric7, on 10/10/2007, -8/+55Good post dude, some people aren't aware of the nasty things the us govt. has been doing.
    • Flytrap, on 11/05/2007, -9/+57The US is the only country in the world that goes around assassinating (or planning to assassinate) national or tribal leaders of other countries (through its CIA terrorist organisation) as a so called preemptive measure. The US reserves the ability and the right to preemptively invaded other nations, assassinate foreigners, etc without any due course for the law, presentation of evidence in a court of law, etc. for itself only - any other country (save for Israel) doing the same would be branded a supporter of terrorism or a terrorist country.

      US military, covert and non-military actions are directly or indirectly (e.g. via sabotaging peasant farmer's food stocks to prevent them from coming into the hands of the "enemy") responsible for more global civilian deaths in the world than any other single country, since the Korean war. The only cause of civilian deaths surpassing US unilateral action are natural disasters and the effects of US and EU farm subsidies on the worlds peasant farmers and food security on the most impoverished countries in the world.

      Although we are all numbed to it and accustomed to the term, human rights watchers will remember the first time the phrase "collateral damage" came to our vocabulary from US military briefings. To this day, the US government refuses to quantify the human cost (in lives) of so called collateral damage, but insists that collateral damage should be an expected by product of US military action around the world, and nobody should be allowed to ever hold it [the US] to account for the consequences.
      • cyberscape2, on 10/10/2007, -4/+20Not disagreeing that the US does such things, but it's hardly the only country to do so. Still... it's very unfortunate.
        • potp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15Its not but its hypocritical in criticizing other nations that do the same.
      • cg0def, on 10/10/2007, -13/+3it is hardly the only organization that has taken measures to protect the national security. In fact pretty much every country in the world has an organization like the CIA and while some are not that well funded every single large country has assassinated someone in order to protect the nation's interests. Your much beloved Iran has done the same thing on many occasions only they seem to not be as successful at keeping they operatives under wraps.
        Oh and if Iran would uses words like terrorist in the future they might want to look up the definition of the word. CIA operatives do help terrorist when it is deemed necessary however they are not terrorists. You might disagree with their judgment but that still doesn't make them terrorists. Plus Iran also has supported knows terrorist organizations on many occasions.
        All that said this all comes down to politics of the necessary evil. You might disagree with it but the truth is that the world is actually run by people that believe in it ... and there's no going around it.
        • EarlOfLade, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7No, not like CIA, not by a far shot.

          What other countries have, are intelligence organizations. I hope yiu know what that means, but i dout it, so let me tell you the difference:
          1. It means they are not operating outside their country for any other purpose than information gathering,
          2. A few countries have intelligence agencies operating in other areas than information gathering, but those are nowhere near the size of CIA nor close to it's operation level and areas of operation.
          3. They are under much stricter control than CIA (and the other 70+ secret agencies USA has)
          4. USA has a long and outstanding tradition of using CIA to meddle in other countries affairs including but not limited to assassinations and overthrowing legally elected governments.

          USA is by far the worst country when it comes to abuse done by an intelligence agency, it's on par with GESTAPO's activities.
      • Lagstorm, on 11/05/2007, -7/+20Fly we dropped 2 bombs on Japan and killed millions. The generations of Japanese to come will feel that day for a very long. Who are terror mongers? It is us people. Wake up!
        • MASTERPL, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Killed MILLIONS? 200k were dead by 1950. It's ok. You were only off by 800k+
          Didn't want some tween to read MILLIONS and actually live life believing it was true.
        • Beveridge89, on 11/05/2007, -2/+2Think how many would have died in a mainland invasion of Japan. Even when they were actually used, atomic weapons still saved lives.
          • caferrell, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2That is the standard ***** explanation. Think about it. Is it really logical to assert that 2 nuclear strikes against urban areas is a humanitarian act?
            Its what we were taught in school, but it doesn't fly. The reason that we dropped the bomb on Japan twice is that the scientists and engineers finished building the bomb. Got weapon, use weapon.
        • ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1We killed 1.5 million Japanese through a combination of sustained firebombing and the two nuclear bombs.
      • Refrag, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6"The US is the only country in the world that goes around assassinating (or planning to assassinate) national or tribal leaders of other countries (through its CIA terrorist organisation) as a so called preemptive measure." Israel does this quite frequently.
    • SiNN4R, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4I wish there was a way to automatically ignore anybody who uses the words "so called". Those two words always set my brain into ignore mode.
      • ChefGroovy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah be cool to filter anything with Iphone, apple, media matters, and all that other crap that trickles in here
    • nebion, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10By traditional terminology, the CIA is, from Iran's perspective, merely an arm of a hostile state. It seems that Iran has adopted the revised US definition of terrorism.

      In most cases, actions by organizations that are clearly under the control of a nation state that would otherwise be considered terrorism are acts of war.
    • objectcode, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19Iran has every right calling the CIA terrorist. too bad we can't make peace with Iran
    • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+23Not only does the US via the CIA fund terrorist operations all over the world, but we also import narcotics into our country using DEA and CIA operatives, and think nothing of ruining the lives of those involved. Here's a great interview with Beau Abbott, an ex-pilot for the DEA who flew missions throughout South America:
      http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=U.S.+G ...
      • 2reflective, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3So true. Search Google Video for "Mike Ruppert" for more evidence of this.
    • kronix2, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14I'm glad somebody got this in the first post. The pathetic blog which is the source of this "story" is hardly a reliable source of news or analysis. It reads like it was written by a neo-con warmongering nationalist zealot. Oh, wait, it was...

      "Iran's parliment, taking their cue from TheDailyKOS and the American Left, is interested in scrutinizing past American history through the eyes of the present and condemning the United States."

      So why did the right bring up Saddam's use of WMDs in the 1980s when trying to con the world into supporting the war? Interestingly, they didn't mention that Saddam used those WMDs against Iran, with American backing.

      Sample comment from the blog: "Yea the funny thing is that no European country or anyone smart would ever side with Iran. Why you might ask? We are the mother F'ing USA and no one can screw with us. Why? Because they will get their ***** rocked. I normally wouldn't take this hardline patriotic stance but no one says F' U to America. No one."

      ***** hell.
      • aadyss, on 10/10/2007, -9/+2Indeed! This post certainly does violate the liberal view of 'freedom of speech' in that it differs from your opinion. How did this ever get past the liberal firewall? This just ain't fittin'.
        • quraid, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3if you are such an advocate of free speech then why are you so against kronix's opinion? oh wait, free speech is a right only when its for you, never against you.
          by the way, the very freedom of speech allowed that blog writer to write that yawnfest, that very "free speech" allowed kronix to comment on it, you to opine against his opinions, and yes, this very free speech allows me to mock your dissertion.
          as you can well see, free speech is well alive and respected here.
    • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -12/+3Ahmedinejad is just doing an Arafat and trying to cover up the ***** of his country by creating a great enemy. Its nothing new, and nothing to even care about, since it comes from a puppet parliament.
      • mirunit, on 11/12/2007, -0/+2Your comment about parliament is indeed right on. The Iranian parliament has virtualy no power, all (including ahmed.) are subordinate to the ayatollah (theocracy).
    • vertinox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

      "The idea of overthrowing Mossadegh was conceived by the British who asked U.S. President Harry Truman for assistance[citation needed]. He refused. The British raised the idea again to Dwight D. Eisenhower who became president in 1953. The new administration agreed to participate in overthrowing the elected administration.[5]"

      See, they don't just hate us because we have secular freedoms... They hate us because we installed a hated dictator.
    • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -6/+2...50 year ago. i dont hate the argentinians for attacking the Falklands, whats the Iranians problem that it takes them so long to forgive?
      • mirunit, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Forgive, forgive? The digg community can never forgive the United States until it has no world influence and is a socialist welfare state.
    • notque, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3 Fatalism May Be Fatal

      Being a lemming following the crowd over a cliff saying hooray for crowds and cliffs is pretty pitiful. How much more pitiful is it to go over a cliff, barreling along like all the rest, but moaning about how unjust it is, how painful it is, how un-lemming like it is, nonetheless churning away, cliffward and then over, right to the end.

      http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2007-09/28a ...
  • Kizilbash, on 10/10/2007, -13/+101No doubt about it. They leave the competition in the dust.
  • Napoleone, on 10/10/2007, -16/+207Partial list of terrorist activities perpetrated by the CIA:


    1. Overthrow of the democratically elected government of Chile in 1973 and instillation of the military dictator Augusto Pinochet.
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB8/nsaebb ...

    2. Overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 and instillation of "the Shah"; a dictator.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

    3. Overthrow of the democratically elected government of Guatemala in 1954 and the instillation of military rule.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_ ...

    4. Overthrow of the democratically elected government of Brazil in 1964 and the instillation of military rule.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d ...

    5. Iran-Contra: CIA illegally sells weapons to Iran; funnels profits to Contras.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_contra

    6. Assisted Dictator/Drug Overlord Manuel Noriega.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_noriega
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -28/+4I agree with #3 and #6.
      Do you have any good info on the Ark-based drug running allegations at Mena during the Clinton governship?
      Send to: Mondoreb@gmail.com
      There is much to dispute about 1 & 4.
      #5 was OK, and I might agree on #2 after more research.
      • spyd3rweb, on 10/10/2007, -9/+2.
      • quraid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1i really dont know why u were dug down, but anyhow i doubt anyone here cares enough to do your research for you and send it to your email id. just use google, bro. it works.
    • spyd3rweb, on 10/10/2007, -7/+30You can add Venezuela/Chavez to the list most likely.
      • futureinmind, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21True they did attempt a coup in 2002.
    • SuperMoses, on 10/10/2007, -4/+40http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Project
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_S ... - US violating internatonal law by supporting contra guerillas
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lumumba - First legally elected Prime Minister of Congo. Ten weeks later the US sponsor a coup to remove him.

      There is more :(
    • watoowatooir, on 10/10/2007, -5/+39Add support for Taliban and Bin Laden in Afghanistan before 911
      And supporting Saddam Husain
      bringing the power to both
    • subversive1, on 10/10/2007, -16/+5I trust no one that uses wikipedia for their references.
      • potp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8the fact they use wikipedia doesn't make the fact any less true.
        • ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Especially when those wiki articles have THEIR OWN sources which you can look up.
      • EarlOfLade, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3I bet you prefer conservapedia...
      • Xill, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Then do your own damn research and see its true. This is supposed to be common knowledge in this time of wars.
    • cg0def, on 10/10/2007, -14/+4Seriously dude do you really think that the CIA is an organization that acts alone? Every move they make is approved by some part of the government. You can't call them terrorists if you don't agree that the US as a whole is a terrorist organization. And if you can put your communist idealistic views on the back burner for a second, you will see that Iran is doing this as a political move trying yet again to separate itself from the US and not pay back that they owe. It's a wolf crying wolf and I really fail to see how this is believable.

      Plus if you want to be really fair look at what some other countries have done in they international affairs. Especially the ones in the middle east. I think you might be blown away.
      • Napoleone, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17"Seriously dude do you really think that the CIA is an organization that acts alone? Every move they make is approved by some part of the government. You can't call them terrorists if you don't agree that the US as a whole is a terrorist organization."

        Are you so naive that you believe the WHOLE government acts as a single unit? There are hundreds of departments in the Pentagon, and many of them never even interact directly; in some instances interacting never. Should I condemn NASA because FEMA is utterly incompetent and subversive of the Constitution? Just because a president may support an illegal act perpetrated by the CIA does not make the act OK under the law. An illegal act is illegal regardless of who and how much support it garners. And you're trying to justify the criminality of one institution with that of another. But it just doesn't work like that.

        That you called me a "communist", reflects only that you're an ideologue who finds truth in feelings rather than in facts. And that you're trying to educate me on history when you don't even know that of your own government, is just laughable.

        Go pick up a book and give your Tom Clancy video games a rest.
      • cranium, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2"You can't call them terrorists if you don't agree that the US as a whole is a terrorist organization."

        *****. Pure *****.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic ...
    • DiggSystemAdmin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Read "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA" by Tim Weiner, and you realize the CIA is messed up.
      http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Ashes-History-Tim-Wei ...
    • akimbo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Looks like the cold war is coming back to bite our ass...
    • objectcode, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11but but but the US wants democracy in foreign counties
      • potp, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10and lets not forget the freedom and liberty.
      • quraid, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3the funniest thing is that America isn't even a democracy. its a republic.
      • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2A democratic republic. Its a representative democracy like every other democracy in the World.
      • stinger666, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Actually, in Canada we have a constitutional monarchy.
    • GreekMacedonian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12You forgot overthrowing the democratically elected Greek government in 1967, then making the Greek dictators withdraw the 100,000 Greek soldiers who were protecting the island of Cyprus (where Greeks made up 82% of the population), and culminating in helping Turkey invade the island, ethnically cleansing 200,000 Greek Cypriots, and bringing in 160,000 Turkish settlers in violation of the Geneva Conventions. To this day Turkey still occupies 37% of Cyprus (an EU country) yet Turkey still thinks they can join the EU!
      • heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You have unfortunately produced , a very corrupted one sided version of the real events that occurred on that particular island , in those troubled times !
        A pity about the lack of full disclosure though , for those that fail to read the real lessons in history are but doomed to repeat them in every lifetime !
      • GreekMacedonian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1@heystoopid

        So you want to see the Turkish version?

        Turkey claimed it was doing a peace-keeping mission for the 18% Turks of the island. During their "peace" operation Turkish soldiers raped over 1000 women ages 12-71, killed over 8000 people with over 2000 more still missing, and took over 37% of the island when Turks only made up 18%.

        Turkish promotional poster for the invasion:
        http://agrino.org/ccanasta/Main/mehmetcik_poster.j ...

        Turkey is an aggressive country that violates Greek airspace daily. They deny their genocides against millions of Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians in 1913-1923, and if you say anything deemed anti-Turkish (including recognizing the genocides) you are arrested. Turkey wants to invade northern Iraq to suppress the Kurds there, (even though all of south eastern Turkey is full of mistreated Kurds anyway), and Turkey also claims to want half of the Aegean! So why don't you come up with real arguments next time!
      • heystoopid, on 10/19/2007, -1/+1So you say , so you claim it to be fact , but is it so the whole truth or a just a small fragmentary and heavily edited perception of the real events of those past evil days , for as always two wrongs never make a right and never will !
        You cannot change the past no matter how hard you try, nor should you blame the sins of fathers on their children either! In those troubled times some very evil deeds were done in the heat of the moment by both sides participating in the fight , many of whom came to regret in later life and thus to live in denial of them as well , until the peace finally comes on judgement day !
        In the very surreal events that occur in any civil war, there are three versions of the event , the individual on each side of the fence with highly selectively edited memories of the event in question and that which lies in between which only half resembles the real truth of the actual incident !
        If you wish to dwell exclusively in the past , you cannot move forward , because you are always travelling in reverse and the perceived wrongs fester to the " them who are always in the wrong" and us "we the innocent of all wrong doings" type mindset in solid concrete form , thus the vendetta begins and all who live in that country are equally guilty of the sins of their fathers and mothers over whom they had no control what so ever !
        You obviously cannot perceive the so called enemy's point of view , because your mind is unable to conceive and see beyond the fog of propaganda to hide the sins of the past and enshroud the evil one does in civil war or in the killing fields of war in general into denial of that which they are ashamed of doing this evil to their innocent victims , as they vent their rage and frustration , to replace that with the fact that the perceived enemy did it ten times worse then what I did to them because they won and I lost ! Get over it and move forward with real life , do not dwell on the past !
        International sea boundaries and commercial maritime control zones , change with technology and UN Treaty conventions apply along with past Treaty Settlements done at the point of bigger gun or I won that little war and even arbitration !
        Best wishes in looking beyond the baggage of your seven veils of concrete propaganda , or have a nice life stuck travelling in reverse , it's your free choice !
        Question for you to ponder , if both sides are such bitter enemies and are each others throats ready to rip them out as you claim , then why has smuggling of all sorts of items become so intense between the two countries ?
        I doubt very much that you have an answer for that question indeed !
        You have a choice here , you can think beyond the square , or live in your own circle of deceit !
    • mirunit, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1It was a matter of necessity in the Cold War, if the CIA had not been active around the world than its then enemies (KGB/Soviet Union) would have - thus destroying the balance of power in the world.
  • vault, on 10/10/2007, -48/+13It's funny to see liberals digg this without seeing the kind of site it's on :D
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -18/+1And you gave me a -1?
      • vault, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3which comment?
        • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1Sorry.
          It was a drive-by comment.
          I was looking at one thing and seeing your name....
          anyway, the lesson here is for me is don't read comments
          while drinking Jack Daniels.
    • Bodhinature, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Information is information. Just because its a Right Wing nut job doesn't mean the information is less valid.
    • heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah , it is always funny that some lose due to inappropriate comments as well !
      So there must a whole host of a lot more cynics attached to this forum !
  • Tangaroa, on 10/10/2007, -5/+88If the linked blogger wasn't a moron, this might be a diggable story. Iran's parliament is not taking its cue from "the american left" but from the United States Congress which recently passed a law declaring the Iranian army to be a terrorist organization. The historical facts that the CIA has committed acts of terrorism in the past are not automatically deniable just because the American left is aware of them.
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -15/+2I didn't see any attempt at denying historical facts. Iranian officials read DailyKOS and large daily US newspapers too.
      • uraliar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1...and they know some history. Like all of the things that the CIA has done as well as the USA's government. Try not to be so dumb your "hole" life.
      • Bodhinature, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1And this is based on what information? Intimate dealings with Iran's government?
    • captric, on 10/10/2007, -9/+1What drugs are you on?
    • mirunit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Its really hard to compare things done in a different era to now. So, the American Left hates the CIA and the War on Terror - so does the Iranian Government. You see, there are many differences between the two, however there is a point of convergence - being the hatred for American foreign policy, military and proactive approach at geopolitics.
  • 7Mystery, on 10/10/2007, -14/+110The C.I.A has terrorized more people then ANY other terror group out there. Don’t believe me, ask someone from a 3rd world country.
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -25/+3OK, I will.

      mondoreb: Sir, how do you feel about the CIA?

      Ahmad (from a foreign country): I'm saving up for a leather jacket with a cool CIA patch on the sleeve.
      • 0firefly0, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4what the fruit was that?
      • spyd3rweb, on 10/10/2007, -5/+29ask harry truman what he thinks of the CIA

        Mr truman how do you feel about the CIA?

        Harry Truman: I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven, if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.
      • Wolverine82, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7mondoreb, just quit posting and go read a history book. open your eyes.
    • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21It's a publically funded body with no public oversight...

      The Sun is Hot, Water is Wet and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
      • cg0def, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5no public oversight? you vote for your government and last I checked that means that you relinquish your right to oversee anything. If any part of the government oversees the operations of the CIA then you DO HAVE public oversight. So next time you go voting (or you don't) you might think twice.
      • ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The CIA head, as an executive appointee, is placed by the President. And I didn't ***** vote for George W. Bush.

        But I digg you up anyway.
  • jdubdub, on 10/10/2007, -8/+36So true. I can just imagine this being the normal world view in 50 years once the US has collapsed deep into its unrecoverable depression.
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -13/+4History is littered with such predictions.
      • Wolverine82, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7mondoreb's brain is littered with trash.
        • nplace1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Oh man, you really got him good there.
      • heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2So by what miracle , can you repay the US Federal debt of 9.85 trillion dollars , with more tax cuts as George W Bush did ?
        • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Just so you know, tax cuts actually brought the greatest tax revenue ever for the US in 2006. I still would prefer bottom- up rather than top-down cuts, but the lesson is tax cuts work.
        • heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hollow victory , that is not sustainable either in the short or long term !
          I suggest you get a good book and read about the massive economic meltdown , like that which happened in Argentina , for it will give you insight and the scale of destruction of the US economy as it implodes and explodes at the same time and the far reaching effect it will have on all citizens within the country !
        • mirunit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The economies of Argentina and the United States are, to say the least, totally different. There will be inflation and revaluation, but no full-scale depression. You can wish for one as much as you want, in order to better play politics, but it is not going to happen anything in the foreseeable future. After the Civil War, who would of though of the US as the world power it is now?
    • mirunit, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You do realize that if the US sinks into depression, so will the rest of the world. This happened in the early 30's, and with the huge amount of globalization around now it would be even more catastrophic. Therefore it is in the intrest of many that the US not go into depression, and by that political and economic forces will likely prevent a depression from happening.
  • FreakyD, on 10/10/2007, -17/+4I'm scared of the upcoming generation.
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -5/+17I'm scared of the brain-eating microbes.
    • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Get used to it, old-timer! We grew up on the internet, with free reign to explore the depths of human depravity and its shining achievements. We've grown up communicating on equal terms with people the world over, with no distinction of social background, race or gender, in as much as we choose to reveal of ourselves. It is inescapable that people who grow up this way believe strongly in self-empowerment, self-determination, and a strong scrutiny of the information we receive with the bias of individual liberty. We are in touch with what it is to be human, what makes a community, how to coordinate grassroots action and solutions to perceived problems, and how to spread information that furthers our causes. If you can't do a better job of reasoning with people and convincing them of your case through sound justifications, then you will be buried and sidelined.
  • ginn52, on 10/10/2007, -19/+3Isn't the CIA run by the brutal and evil zionists?

    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3 I think the proper term is "Evil Zionist Entity".
    • heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No, it is something infinitely worse , it is the lackey and fool tool of all US corporations operating outside Amerika , who are upset that the poor resident locals choose to buy non US sourced goods at cheaper prices , whilst they purchase local goods at under cost price at same time starving torturing and evicting them out of house and home , force them to migrate to the US illegally , to be the next generation of cheap slaves for the self same corporations !
      Truly evil and vicious !
  • quiznos, on 10/10/2007, -4/+31direct link to AP article http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070929/D8RV6ST00 ...
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -10/+1Thanks.
      My point exactly.
      This article contains the link.
  • ginn52, on 10/10/2007, -9/+31I'm posting from a secret CIA prison!
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2Is it 1973 and are you in Chile?
      • ginn52, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14No moron! It's 2007... The Patriotic Act snared me!
      • heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The location is in the Carpathian Mountains some where in Romania , if you were told where , the next CIA Air flight you take will be the one from Andrews AFB to RAF Lakenheath to Roma International and then onto Damascus , for a polite discussion the same bunch of CIA trainees who spoke to one Canadian dissident by the name of Arar !
  • fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -6/+8Whats with the caps?
  • shanomaq, on 10/10/2007, -14/+3LMAO!
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3I know, me too!
      Who woulda thought the CIA being a terrorist organization would be so funny!?!
  • JJsays, on 10/10/2007, -30/+8right now thousands of digg democrats are rubbing they're hands together and rocking back in forth chanting yes, yes, yes...
    • Mike415, on 10/10/2007, -6/+6Mention Ron Paul and their heads will pop off.
    • linzichan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"They're hands"? I see your education was quality.
    • theone3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3You caught us. Truth is we're all evil and we all want to see the United States fail. I was laughing manically and stroking my cat just then and your comment caught me off guard.

      Seriously, anyone who thinks that a large portion of people go out in this world with the aim of doing something intentionally bad is living in a fantasy. Operational sanity is the consistent picking of the best possible option given a set of knowledge. A democratic citizen's patriotic duty is to gain a reasonably balanced sample of relevant knowledge closest to the (usually theoretical) absolute truth in order to make informed descisions, remembering that circumstances beget circumstances. That's how decisions are made for 99% of the population. Beliefs are simply weightings of importance based on your experiences. Polarisations of information are intended to prevent people from going insane over detail and present to them the issues to which they should apply their beliefs in order to make a quicker descision. This tool became increasingly popular due to necessity and as such has been increasingly exploited to control and lie to people. As patriots, in order to gain an understanding of a situation, we must (excuse the terrible analogy) rely on a wide range of news sources in order to randomise angles (bias) so that we can cancel out the polarisation and get a clear picture of the truth.
  • superyounan1, on 10/10/2007, -17/+21no no, CIA can't be a terrorist organization. They're organized, wear suits, use state-of-the-art technology, theres no way they're terrorists. (spot the non-sequitur, get a digg)
    • ciaran036, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3and how do suits make you not a terrorist organisation? Just because some terrorists in some countries can't afford high-tech technology and suits does not mean the CIA isn't one.
      • Arcotik, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Didn't detect his sarcasm?
      • quraid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1some people in digg need special sarcasm training...
  • shabumike, on 10/10/2007, -11/+42In the early 70's they helped take down the democratically elected Australian government which didn't support the Vietnam war.
    • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16Thats actually not far from the truth. I wish it wasn't...
    • shabumike, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12Fact
    • theone3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Wow. I'm an Aussie and I had no idea. Perhaps this explains the current government's token support and complacency.
  • captric, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2U.S. officials said he was a member of the elite Quds force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards that smuggles weapons into Iraq
    • oldfemme, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8World people say he was a member of the elite Skulls & Bones of the American Revolutionary Guards that smuggles weapons into Iraq and attacks Iraqi civilians. They explicitly say CIA is a terrorist org. Ask Ahmad but also Nguyen, Pablo, Dimitry and Michael as well.
    • heystoopid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Sadly the US and the CIA have since 1947 always made up history, equipment and incidents to order as required for appropriate propaganda purposes!
      Just after My Lai massacre in Vietnam , one Major Colin Powell on his second tour of duty was unable to find such evidence that a massacre actually took place !
      Who says , like everything else the current for ever lying drunken rat in residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington DC has ordered such fictional evidence to be trotted out faithfully by one Secretary of State called Colin Powell in 2003 and the imaginary evidence that Iraq was in possession of Weapons of Mass Deception to the United Nations !
      Perhaps you need a holiday in the Gulf of Tonkin on the 2nd of August 1964 on the good cruise ship the USS Maddox to refresh your mind ?
  • RetardoCrisp, on 10/10/2007, -6/+32HAHA Good for them! They have nothing to lose and it is nice to see that they give the US govt a taste of their own medicine.
  • Vicujozobenaxod, on 10/10/2007, -23/+10This is like somebody that's covered in ***** saying the garbage man stinks.
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2Can I quote you?
      That was great!
    • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It's like two fecalphiliacs debating who stinks....
    • siszam, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20That's what I think every time Bush opens his mouth and talks trash about "evil dictators".
      • cg0def, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2you realize that no matter how stupid Bush Jr. is he was actually democratically elected? He cannot possibly be an evil dictator although he's still the worst president this country has ever had.
        • joeyjesus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7"you realize that no matter how stupid Bush Jr. is he was actually democratically elected?"
          no i do not accept that he was democratically elected, unless by democratically elected, you mean appointed by his dad's buddies and cheated into office by suppressing the black vote.
        • kodax, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5You realize that the Iranian president was also democratically elected?
        • potp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Hitler was elected into power too.

          With this reply i evoke thee goodwin law.
        • kronix2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Ahmedinejad was elected in free and fair elections. Bush and the Republicans committed electoral fraud in 2000 and probably 2004 in order to "win" the elections.

          It's funny how Amadinnerjacket is the more legitimate leader.
        • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Please grow up. I know it makes it easier to side with dictators if you pretend Bush is as bad as them, but doing so just makes you seem ignorant.

          You are everything that makes me embarassed to call myself a Leftist.
  • thentro, on 10/10/2007, -12/+18Buried for blogspam
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -15/+1Well, sorry you feel that way. I know this musta been a tough month for you with all the improving news from Iraq.
    • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Speaking of which, why aren't there more posts about the improvment in Iraq? Don't the stop the war guys know the sooner Iraq improves the sooner we can leave?
  • JoshChan, on 10/10/2007, -19/+6CIA is just doing their job -- protecting American interests.
    • bitcloud, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11protecting their own interests...
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -12/+2I agree.
      The only time you ever hear about them is when they mess up.
      All the good things are kept quiet.
      That's why they're good.
    • tenrec, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4With Dubai buying everything American in sight, those interests get smaller and smaller every day. Wonder how much of The United Fruit Company, er I mean Chiquita Brands International, they own.
    • SquigglyP, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6i don't think killing thousands of innocent people in a third world country is doing much to protect my interests, but hey... wtf do i know.
    • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0The CIA has done a lot of bad things, but a World in which the US had sat back and did nothing during the Cold War could be infinetely worse than the present day.
  • DavidGX, on 10/10/2007, -24/+7ron paul is one of the biggest terrorists out there. Pass it on.
    • futureinmind, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9According to the FBI anyone who talks about the constitution too much should be considered a terrorist so maybe your onto something. lol all you can do is insult him, no facts. Keep making yourself look ridiculous
      • siszam, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2We don't have to insult Ron Paul. He makes himself look bad. He wants millions of children and adults to continue to live without universal health care. How can you tell people they should die and pretend to be the good guy? You can't.
        • theone3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Perhaps you should actually look at his healthcare policies before saying that. I actually found them quite inspiring, and i'm not even an RP guy. (Then again, I'm an Australian who thinks the Westminster system should be implemented in the USA and the country should be split into 6, with an inter-state power level between state and federal politics - so go figure. Also we have national healthcare for every citizen here, and medication at token prices - we pay per bottle what you pay per pill)
        • cranium, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Unassailable hyperbole.
    • nicksauce, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2False.
    • MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Dude, you're a moron. How do you figure wanting to stop the US from policing the world, make someone a terrorist? Ron Paul is the only one running for President who says he wants to stop this madness.
    • SquigglyP, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2In the sense that he scares the ***** out of Washington? Then, yes.
    • kronix2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1What the hell does Ron Paul have to do with this?
    • ivandir, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Report this idiot. He deserves to be banned.
  • dafragsta, on 10/10/2007, -7/+24"With it's economy in shambles..."

    Let the country with a dollar worth more than a Canadian dollar cast the first stone... not so fast United States.
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -11/+7Oh Geesh......
      14 different US States have bigger economies than Iran.
      • quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7while the other 36 states in the middle just mooch off these states.
  • swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -11/+6It seems like the Iranian gov't kind of missed the point, the main reason we declared their army a "terrorist organization" was to allow stronger economic sanctions. Unless they can convince the UN to declare sanctions against the US, which is impossible since we have a veto, this is kind of pointless.
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -8/+2I agree.
      And I think it would be tough to declare UN sanctions against a country carrying out UN sanctions already voted on.
      • Wolverine82, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6didn't i tell you to quit posting?
        • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Trying to deny freedom of speech? Fascist.
    • Wolverine82, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13It seems like swrostmore missed the point, the main reason the Iranian gov't declared the CIA a "terrorist organization" is because the CIA is a terrorist organization.
      • swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -9/+4Right, this wasn't about propaganda at all.
      • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0The reason they did it is to continue the illusion of the 'Great Satan' and distract their people.
    • darkspire, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13While I would agree with you that the point was missed as far as the UN/world stage goes, the CIA would certainly be considered a terrorist organization under our own terms if they were not a US government agency. Which certainly begs the question: why do we have a veto when we clearly commit actions equally as evil as those we condemn?
      • ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Because if we didn't have a veto, we couldn't commit those actions clearly....
      • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Carrying out evil actions in the name of good was the realist foreign policy of the Cold War. While we can't expect to come through this new conflict with a moral blank sheet, there is no need for such drastic action nowadays, which is shown in the fact that we don't.

        That is assuming it was neccessary in the first place. I would argue we should have been safe-guarding liberal democracies rather than establishing tyrannous dictatorships, but ultimately the actions taken were better than taking no action at all.
  • digsig, on 10/10/2007, -5/+50What not many ppl in the States know is CIA's role in staging a coup and overthrowing the legit government of Greece back in 1968.
    http://www.greece.org/cyprus/Takism5.htm
    Only in 1999 did Clinton in a historic visit to Greece (they are rare because anti-american sentiment runs high, hey who can blame us) say : "I'm sorry about it".
    That was in the past you might say. Well, not exactly. Recently, evidence came to light proving CIA involvement in the abduction of Pakistani citizens from Greece to Guantanamo. And Greece is not the exception either. This has been happening for years in all European countries : http://web.amnesty.org/pages/stoptorture-rendition ... .
    I, mean if abducting ppl and torturing them isn't terrorism i don't know what is.
    • swrostmore, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Is that why Greeks are so pissed at us? The largest protest in recorded history took place in Greece during the run-up to the Iraq war.
      • Xill, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Everyone was pissed off in the run-up to the Iraq war because your population was (and still is) 80% brainwashed by lies and propaganda. We had the largest protest in history in Canada also. The media just lied about it.
    • digsig, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Actually, that's not the only US "intervention" in Greece. Recent history of Greece in short. After WW2 a civil war broke out in Greece between loyalists to the government which was formed by politicians who returned from exile, and the communists who had formed the resistance to the Nazi and Italian occupying forces. The civil war ended with the victory of the British and US supported government. Many communists fled to communist countries (Bulgaria, USSR, East Germany), but most stayed. This spawned an era of US puppet governments (the US ambassador actually ran the country) until the late 50's. The communist party was dissolved and it's members were arrested, jailed and executed. In every election there was broad vote rigging and violence (many citizens were practically not allowed to vote). In 1964 a party called United Middle won the elections by a landslide (52%, second party had 35%), and formed a government, which tried to distance Greece from the US and take a more neutral stance during the cold war. The prime minister came into conflict with the king (another pawn of the British) and was forced to resign. The king ordered then several parliament representatives to form a new government. Despite efforts of the CIA to buy the vote of the leading party's representatives only few of them actually voted in confidence of the governments that were proposed. As soon as a government was formed, it called for elections. But, before elections took place, in the 21st of April, 1967, a number of officers of the Greek Army staged a coup (actually a NATO plan, called "Prometheus") to "protect the country of imminent communist danger". The military regime that followed was brutal, maiming all opposition, arresting, exiling and executing political prisoners. It eventually led to national tragedy of Cyprus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_C ... ) , after which it collapsed.
    • sodoh, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1What you don't mention and is very important to get across to Americans. Around the time of the coup (November 17) a large number of students protested against the coup and the army opened fired on them killing many.

      From that a terrorist organisation was born called November 17 who actively targeted US people.
    • digsig, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I wanted to write about it but didn't want to make the post bigger. You got it almost right, but you've got some mistakes. In 14 November of 1973 the students of the Polytechnic University of Athens organized a meeting inside the campus after a protest. But the authorities canceled the meeting and urged the students to disperse. But, in a courageous act of disobedience the students didn't. Instead, they barricaded themselves inside the campus. For 3 days the police had the campus surrounded, but wouldn't storm it. During these 3 days, the students were greatly supported and aided by the people of Athens, thus shuttering the image of public support for the dictatorship. Finally, on the 17th of November of 1973, a tank brought down the central gate of the campus, while students were hanging from it, and the army stormed the campus. Several students died and those who didn't flee, were arrested and tortured.
      The terrorist group "November 17" is named after these events. They didn't target US people in general, but rather CIA operatives and US military personnel. Most of their targets were Greek right wing politicians or businessmen.
    • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1A very ***** thing to do indeed. But it was almost 40 years and you've had an apology, isn't it time to move on?
    • GreekMacedonian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2@Beveridge

      A meaningless apology since the problems it caused 40 years ago still happen now.

      The US sponsored dictatorship removed the Greek soldiers protecting Cyprus. With those soldiers there a Turkish invasion would have been impossible, also during the invasion the CIA gave the Turks the intelligence they needed to successfully carry out the invasion.

      Turkey still occupies 37% of the predominantly Greek island of Cyprus, the 200,000 Greek-Cypriots who were ethnically cleansed back in 1974 have not been allowed to return and 160,000 settlers from mainland Turkey have been brought to the island in an attempt to alter the demographics of the island in violation of the Geneva Conventions.

      80% of Turkey's weaponry is American and they used US weapons in their invasion, in direct violation of US law whereby American made weapons are to be used for defense purposes only. Although sanctions were imposed on Turkey immediately, President Carter ended the embargo shortly after. Turkey still receives billions in aid, they have no freedoms for minorities in Turkey (most of the Greeks/Armenians who used to live in Turkey were killed in genocide in 1913-1923 or uprooted), and Bush wants Turkey in the EU more than the Europeans themselves (ignoring the fact that Turkey illegally occupies EU territory).
  • zephc, on 10/10/2007, -4/+16Tit for tat, bitches.
    • ivandir, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1A good tit too.
      I am ashamed at our congress for not looking at the coin from both sides.
  • siszam, on 10/10/2007, -4/+24Read The Chavez Code and see Americas own documents regarding it's terrorists activity and spending. Iran is slow. Everyone else has known the CIA is a terrorist organization for a looooooooooooooooong time.
  • Malarie, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1At least Hitler did something like that in the out open....
  • mostreliable, on 10/10/2007, -25/+2buried for being Iranian propaganda
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Either you're heavy into sarcasm or you didn't read the story.
  • superdoofus, on 10/10/2007, -6/+13buried for being blogspam and not just linking to the AP article in the first place. nobody needs your take on an article, we all can read and discuss within digg's crappy comment system.
    and secondly, what the hell is with this site? the year 2000 ended seven years ago, yet i don't think they've changed a lick of code since then. and what the hell is with the featured profiles? i thought that this type of "about me" profile stuff went out with windows ME.
    if you missed it:
    * MONDOREB ------------------Raised by wolves, he was caught affixing 2000 Bush/Chaney stickers to cars in the SF area in 2004. After a stint in a re-education camp and briefly shilling for a mime, he dropped out of sight. Now he's back. This is his story.
    * LITTLE BABY GINN--------------Out on the hard edge of life, she walks confidently: the 'click-clack-click-clack' of her stilletoes, her vivid scarlet lipstick and a half-smoked cigarette, her only companions. She writes because--well, no one is quite sure why. But write she does. This is her story.
    * LUSCIOUS P-------------------------Our crack War on Drugs & Lifestyles reportress. The P is for Peach, as in Ripe, Juicy Peach. And thankfully, she's P, not PC, or we'd all be in trouble. When she hands in an article, wisps of smoke come off the page.
    * RIDESAPALEHORSE----------Some whispered: he'd been a Ninja; others, that he was running from his past. A past that included one lively blonde and two dead bodies. We only know: when he walked in, he had a knife in his teeth and a fistful of Art.
    * BABBAZEE-----------------------She roared up in a '52 Chevy: a 'Zion Rules' bumper sticker on the back and an AK-47 out the window. She slammed on the brakes and said "I'm here for the Jewhad!". We knew then she was our kinda woman.
    * HUGE SCROTUM MAN-------------(Scroticus Maximus) A natural optimist: life gave him huge testicles, so he has a ball. He brings the Java.

    who dug this hacky spam up, anyway?
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1Your name says it all.
      • superdoofus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4and the "about" section in your profile says much more:
        "Right Wing Conservative Lunatic"
        let alone your posting and digging history. you know that we can all see everything you have dugg and all of your posts just by clicking on your name, right? why are you even bothering to become a part of the digg community?
    • hummmbert, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1The original AP story is linked to in the article, doofus.
  • bovox, on 10/10/2007, -5/+31They hate us because we meddle in their affairs and piss in their backyard. Why do we do this? Because we want to ensure a stable, steady, and cheap source of energy for us and our allies so that our economies can continue to flourish. How do we do this? We do this by propping up and supporting unelected, undemocratic monarch regimes that oppress their citizen's freedoms.

    All of this is true and I do not understand why people accept the simplistic, idiotic, and borderline retarded explanation that "they hate us because of our freedom."
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3I agree.
      I never did think they hated us because of our freedom.
      And sometimes we do support unelected undemocratic monarchs.
      Of course, sometimes the monarchs are replaced by undemocratic theocratic mullahs.
    • quaxon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7absolutely correct. and as a matter of fact, it is us who hate their freedom. we hate their freedom to choose a leader that cares more about citizens than corporate interests so by way of terrorism we overthrow them and install someone who is in line with our way of greed.
      • friedman420, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4i don't know if i'd go that far, iran doesn't exactly coddle its citizens.
        • ZenMojo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5But they did. They had an open democratic process, they socialized their energy, and we took out their government to protect ***** British Petroleum (then Ajax).
        • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0About this whole nationilsation business...was their President planning to steal the oil from BP or actually buy it off them? Either way our actions were over the top, but really if he was just planning to steal it then their country must have already have had serious flaws.
        • solid12345, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0BP had the right to protect their interests though. They built and paid for the oil facilities. The oil may have belonged to Iran but the equipment belonged to BP, what gave Mossadegh the right to take the oil wells?

          Problem is this was a complicated time period and people simplify it to deceive readers into believing one way.

          The Shah was never "installed", he was already king before the coup, more of a figurehead monarch. Both he and Mossadegh disliked each other and both had aspirations to acquire more power. The Shah fled Iran because Mossadegh's forces represented a threat to him but he returned with our backing and his faction won out in the end.

          You also have to put this in the context of the Cold War. It was not a plot to just "steal" Iran's oil, alot of the reason for the coup was the fear that Mossadegh was a Soviet puppet and would turn Iran and all its oil reserves over to the Soviet camp. Last thing we wanted was the USSR to have access to middle east oil.
    • solid12345, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Propping up is taken too lightly. The royal family of Jordan has effectively ruled that regime for centuries and can trace their lineage back to Muhammed. Alot of Muslims respect that bloodline, even if they do not like everything the monarchy does.

      One time I was on a board where lefties and righties were arguing over this issue, the lefties saying we support undemocratic kings. Suprisingly a Kuwaiti got on the board and spoke up for his king, saying we may not have elections but in a small country like Kuwait any citizen can walk into the royal palace and request a presence with the king to sound off on an issue.

      How many of you get the chance to walk into the white house and ask something of Bush?

      This is where I say that maybe democracy isn't for everyone in the world.
  • raisputin3, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12ARRRRGH! BLOGSPAM!!!!!
    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/29/iran.par ...
  • xtraa, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Well if you put it straight on the big picture and pure objective, the CIA does in fact do many things that would make them a terror-organisation.

    The only difference is that they have other interest (like all of these organisations do)

    But who decides what is good an what is bad? No U.S. citizen can faithfully answer that question without being swayed by own interests and subjective views.
  • DiggSystemAdmin, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Read "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA" by Tim Weiner, and you realize the CIA is messed up.
    http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Ashes-History-Tim-Wei ...
    • MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3"Why We Fight" is good too whywefight.com
  • tenrec, on 10/10/2007, -2/+18How did the Iranian parliament forget Blackwater USA?
  • divad1978, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10I salute Iran. I hope some of the other countries grows a pair and gets behind them to speak out negatively against my piece of crap country that believes we have to manipulate the world in order to maintain our way of life. Until then I'm doing my part and donating and voting for Ron Paul!
    • diggerine, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0How about leaving your piece of crap country and moving to the country you salute and so admire?

      Believe it or not, you are absolutely under no obligation to stay in your piece of crap country. You're free to move out and renounce your American citizenship. Believe me, thousands upon thousands of immigrants would want to trade places with you and replace you as an American.

      So please, feel free to leave so you can make room for one more immigrant who want to live in this piece of crap country.
      • divad1978, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No I'll stay here and try to make it into the country it is supposed to be. If we have to start a civil war then so be it. Sure this country is great to live in but at what expense to our morals for what we do to others around the world? You might be able to sleep comfortably at night but I can't.
  • MrXfromPlanetX, on 10/10/2007, -8/+17This is one of the Reasons I switched from voting for Barack Obama, to supporting Ron Paul. Ron Paul is the only person running for President in the US who is focusing on stopping US intervention in other countries. Hopefully the CIA won't take him out too.

    ronpaul2008.com
    ronpaul.meetup.com
    • ivandir, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Digg this post please. Only for the fear that is it happens we are ***** as a nation.
  • Jareth86, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5WTF Iran? Don't you know how hard we're trying to keep president *****-for-brains from bombing you?! Far be it from us to tell you what to do, but a LITTLE effort would be nice...
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3This is hilarious!
    • Urusai, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I almost hope we attack Iran. It would ruin any feeble remainder of geopolitical legitimacy the US has left, hopefully setting the stage for an invasion by Canada. And I, for one, welcome our betoqued, hockey playing overlords.
      • SquigglyP, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2too bad they failed the first time, eh?
  • Couchy, on 10/10/2007, -8/+8Dugg as accurate
    • mondoreb, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Thanks!
      It seems to be a bit controversial at the moment, but I think it is accurate
      • superdoofus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3of course you think that, you submitted the article. and it's the only article you've ever commented on.
  • fLUx1337, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3QUICK BUSH!!! THE CIA IS BAD, NUKE IT!!!
  • oldfemme, on 10/10/2007, -1/+19and they are totally right... Back in 1953, Prime Minister Mossadegh became enormously popular in Iran by nationalizing the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (later British Petroleum, BP) which controlled the country's oil reserves. In response, Britain embargoed Iranian oil and began plotting to depose Mossadegh. Members of the British Intelligence Service invited the United States to join them, convincing U.S. President Eisenhower that Mossadegh was reliant on the Tudeh (Communist) Party to stay in power. In 1953, President Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax, and the CIA took the lead in overthrowing Mossadegh and supporting a U.S.-friendly monarch; and for which the U.S. Government apologized in 2000.
    It is just like "yankee go home" heard all around latin america. It is a phrase used to express anger at American presence in a foreign land. Originally applying to American imperialism, the phrase has come to be used generically as a means of expressing Anti-American sentiment.
    • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0But as you say, the government officially apologised. Since they can't rewrite history, I don't think theres much else they can do.
      • vjeko, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yes there is. Get the ***** out!
      • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0There not in Iran. They barely even trade with them.
      • solid12345, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0That is only a half truth. Mossadegh was not enormously popular, there were thousands in the street rioting in favor for the Shah as well. Most of these coups occur in countries where there is existing severe political tension among different factions. We do not create it, but at times we do support one side over another.
  • nplace1, on 10/11/2007, -11/+6Did the CIA overthrow governments and do all sorts of nasty ***** during the Cold War? Yes. Soes the CIA still probably do nasty ***** to people across the globe to keep this country safe? Sure. Does the CIA ***** with people just because they can? No. Does the CIA ever kill innocents to instill fear and further a political/religious agenda? No. Am I going to be dugg down for suggesting that the U.S. government is not the ultimate evil in the world? Probably.
    • digsig, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14"Does the CIA ever kill innocents to instill fear and further a political/religious agenda?"
      Yes.
    • PhilMoskowitz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13You're going to be dugg down because you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Read up on the Banana Wars and maybe you'll stop being a pie eyed dupe. You're unamerican for not taking responsibility enough to know what your own country is up to. Your stupidity is treasonous.
      • nplace1, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I thought it was bad to questions someone's patriotism because you disagree with them.
      • solid12345, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Banana wars? Irrelevant. The context of American intervention in the 50s-80s is not to maintain cheap sugar exports but to maintain capitalism as the primary economy in our backyard and not soviet communism.

        Did the CIA do shady things? Yes they did. But so did the KGB. The Cold War was a battle for political allies, not a battle for hearts and minds. Has it come back to bite us in the ass? Probably. But i'd much rather put up with a few angry Islamic terrorists or angry tinpot socialist loons like Chavez than a USSR dominated world.
    • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0The CIA did what was believed was neccessary during the Cold War. I think they could have done it another way, but the reality is if they hadn't done it e could be living a communist dominated world, so i'm not going to condemn them now. Things are different now, and the CIA and the US government has the chance to use its power to let freedom reign throughout tyrannous states, and I only hope they use this opportunity.
  • nubnub, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Haha
  • justinmt7, on 10/10/2007, -12/+4Iran: Come and get it if you think you're so tough!
    • superdoofus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5seriously? rooster-chesting?
      you have not understood that posturing only keeps people at the ready to kill each other? behold your crappy bloodthirst.
      • justinmt7, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah you're right. It doesn't help anything with me typing comments like that.
    • ChefGroovy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Lets roll, Iran.
  • PaulPinfield, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Pot, Kettle, Pot, Kettle...

    Sad state of affairs when, on balance, it's difficult to determine who has bloodier hands: USA for killing civilians and then saying they never mean to / Iran for hanging homosexuals and then dining it.

    The dregs of the world...
  • monkeyrun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Well yeah, they just happen to have a cool name.
  • j0keR, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I personally designate the United States federal government a terrorist organization. Only Ron Paul can stop them!
  • PhilMoskowitz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Kermit Roosevelt is their Osama Bin Laden. I don't find this outside of rationality at all.
  • dliberty, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1Here we go again with Iranian propaganda only this time the source of information is some idiot's BLOG. Digg is getting worse by the day.
    Burried.
  • ciaran036, on 10/16/2007, -2/+10Go Iran! It's about time someone was man enough to do that! The US Army and CIA are the biggest terrorist organisations in the world!
    • Beveridge89, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Go Iran! Ahmendinejad will save us all!
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