Digg Townhall Tonight!
Tune into the live Digg townhall tonight at 5:00pm PST/8:00pm EST.
Iran: Cancerous Israel to be destroyed by radiation
ynetnews.com — In letter of condolence to Hizbullah secretary-general following Imad Mugniyah's assassination, Revolutionary Guards commander says, 'In the future we will bear witness to the disappearance of this cancerous bacterium, Israel, by radiation'.
- 166 diggs
- digg it
- backcast, on 02/18/2008, -19/+12diggin it
- eclipse007, on 02/18/2008, -7/+11"In the near future, we will witness the destruction of Israel, the aggressor, this cancerous microbe Israel, at the able hands of the soldiers of the community of Hezbollah," the ideological force's commander, Mohammad Ali Jafari, was quoted by the Fars news agency as saying.
This is what he REALLY said from AFP:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iSiOHuIb-xIpLr ...
Use of 'Radiation' instead of 'soldiers' says a lot about accuracy and agenda of ynetnews.com- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -12/+9ohh, to destroy Israel it's ok?
and if the Israeli president will say "we will destroy the Palestinians"? what will you say?
"culture"...do u have it? i haven't see any positive muslim thing in the last 200 years. your just kicking the world from you, and your gonna pay for it hardly. remember Sadam?- eclipse007, on 02/18/2008, -10/+10Fact 1: I'm NOT a Muslim, I'm agnostic.
Fact 2: Killing innocent people is wrong, regardless of who does it.
Fact 3: This is NOT journalism, this is spreading propaganda to justify aggression.
Fact 4: No Iranian president ever asked for destruction of Israel, the Zionist Regime is a different story though, but even then this guy is explicitly saying "HANDS OF SOLDIERS" and not Nukes.- neko6, on 02/19/2008, -1/+2Israel is a democracy, the people elect the leaders. Ending the Zionist regime means either that the majority is no longer Jewish (ethnic cleansing anyone?), or that the government is not elected by the people, but rather a Muslim dictatorship) Either way, it effectively means destruction of Israel.
- kooft, on 02/19/2008, -1/+1"Ending the Zionist regime means either that the majority is no longer Jewish (ethnic cleansing anyone?),"
Ahmadinejad already outlined what he meant by the 'Zionist regime' disappearing. He said let the 5 million or so Palestinians return to Israel and hold free and open elections and Iran will unequivocally support the subsequently elected government.
That's not ethnic cleansing, that's regime change by democracy.
- AnotherJewboy, on 02/18/2008, -12/+6GTFO out of here you zionist fag.
Israel rejected the UN partition plan because it wanted all of Palestine. So yes in fact Israel does want to wipe out Palestine.- neko6, on 02/19/2008, -1/+2"Israel rejected the UN partition plan" - Israel accepted, Arabs rejected. Enjoy revising history?
"in fact Israel does want to wipe out Palestine" - Israel can wipe out Palestine in a day if they wanted to. Fact is, Israel killed less Palestinians in the last 40 years then both Syria and Jordan.
- neko6, on 02/19/2008, -1/+2"Israel rejected the UN partition plan" - Israel accepted, Arabs rejected. Enjoy revising history?
- d3lta, on 02/18/2008, -9/+4"remember Sadam?"
I think its been established that the war on Iraq has brought nothing but pain to all involved, and was started on false pretenses. I'm not surprised you claim to have never seen a "positive muslim thing in the last 200 years", you're so caught and blinded up in hate that I think its difficult for you to see anything clearly.
Looking at events with a balanced frame of mind does not mean you're "kicking the world from you", tunnel vision on the other hand might end up doing just that.
- eclipse007, on 02/18/2008, -10/+10Fact 1: I'm NOT a Muslim, I'm agnostic.
- d3lta, on 02/18/2008, -4/+1True True... "Ynetnews: The real Israel in real time - Part of Yedioth Group, Israel's largest media company, sister site to Israel's best web operation" so I guess you can expect it to have a unidirectional agenda.
But its probably similar to the way you would react if someone predicted the destruction of your life, your loved ones and everything you stand for. And why? Because a man who masterminded the terrorist attacks all over the world against US and Jewish interests was killed in an apparent counter-terrorist operation. So far Israel has denied being involved in his death; http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle ... but even if they were involved, does this justify the destruction of an entire people?
Don't give me all those pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli arguments, heard them all, not interested. I don't think either side will ever be happy until they are both completely isolated from each other, and they certainly will continue to hate while fundamentalists hold sway over public opinion.
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -12/+9ohh, to destroy Israel it's ok?
- eclipse007, on 02/18/2008, -7/+11"In the near future, we will witness the destruction of Israel, the aggressor, this cancerous microbe Israel, at the able hands of the soldiers of the community of Hezbollah," the ideological force's commander, Mohammad Ali Jafari, was quoted by the Fars news agency as saying.
- Ridgeliner7, on 02/18/2008, -32/+27Reason enough for us to incinerate them sooner, rather than later. Everyone knows it's only a matter of time before those lunatics act.
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -17/+17DO you mean Iran or Israel? Which one is actively ignoring the UN right now?
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -14/+19I guess that means that no one knows that Israel - and not Iran - is the one ignoring international calls from the UN...
But now you guys know I am sure you you'll look at this from a new perspective instead of just using the same, tired, mantra's?- lgfaphile, on 02/18/2008, -11/+18"New Perspective" lets see, that must mean Israel is the aggressor right? Ignoring the UN you would have it right? The Arab bloc has been saying that since they violated the UN resolution forming Israel in 1948 and attacked in unison with cries of "drive the Jews in to the sea". Try using some critical thinking of your own instead of simply repeating the politically correct drivvle spouted by the most genocidal regimes on the planet. Oh, and by the way, the Palestinians do have it rough, but did you know that Jordan has killed thousands more Palestinians then anyone else, including Israel? In the 70's, when Arafat tried to destabilize the late King Hussein, the King sent his armored divisions in to Palestinian civilian areas and killed thousands and thousands of civilians in order to drive them out of Jordan (that was the beginning of Lebanon's descent in to the abyss...Arafat went there instead). The PLO splinter group, Black September, was formed to memorialize the King's slaughter. The world didn't say boo. The UN passed no resolutions. Everyone understood that Jordan had a right to stop the civil war in the making. Israel defends itself though and people start spouting drivvle like your "new perspective" sound bite. It isn't new at all, its the oldest propaganda on the planet.
- dshPls, on 02/18/2008, -18/+2So does Iran have the right idea by nuking Israel?
- Beveridge89, on 02/18/2008, -9/+10Iran have rejected EU help in building non-proliferation civilian nuclear technology. Funnily, they decided to go it alone with nuclear technology that would allow them to build a bomb. Not at least a bit suspicious why?
- kooft, on 02/18/2008, -5/+8"Iran have rejected EU help in building non-proliferation civilian nuclear technology."
Why not? If they're implementing the NPT then they have the right to pursue any nuclear technology as long as it doesn't become a militarized program (i.e., no nuclear weapons).
"Funnily, they decided to go it alone with nuclear technology that would allow them to build a bomb. Not at least a bit suspicious why?"
The price of oil is skyrocketing and Iran has oil. Instead of exporting all of it, large quantities are being consumed internally to generate electricity. If Iran could use nuclear power to generate electricity then they could export more oil and thus make more money.
Considering they can mine and enrich uranium internally, this has the added benefit of improving national security (i.e., the US can't just 'turn off their lights'), not to mention the added benefit of knowledge and experience acquired from such big projects. - Beveridge89, on 02/18/2008, -4/+7I don't think I was clear in what I was saying before. I'm not questioning why they want civilian nuclear technology; thats obvious. What isn't obvious is why they would choose to go it alone and develop technology themselves, rather than having the technology given to them by the EU. If it is the case they just want civilian nuclear technology, why are they choosing the route that is more complicated and brings international condemnation? Why are they choosing the hard route when the only real 'benefit' is the ability to produce material for nuclear weapons?
- hadees, on 02/18/2008, -4/+8Is this the same UN that refuses to do anything about Darfur because of the Muslim block of states block the resolutions. The UN Human Rights council was supposed to reform the system but they are worse.
- kooft, on 02/18/2008, -3/+6"What isn't obvious is why they would choose to go it alone and develop technology themselves, rather than having the technology given to them by the EU."
I think the sticking point is enrichment. Iran wants to master enrichment and have a completely indigenous fuel cycle. Having someone else provide the nuclear fuel could put Iran at a disadvantage in the political world (i.e., capitulate or we'll stop shipping fuel). Enrichment is necessary for both LWR's and HWR's.
"If it is the case they just want civilian nuclear technology, why are they choosing the route that is more complicated and brings international condemnation?"
They've already invested billions into their current reactors. You can't ask them to discard those reactors without some sort of assurance and compensation.
Iran negotiated with Europe under the Paris Treaty and as a confidence building measure, Iran willingly halted enrichment. To further build confidence, Iran implemented an additional IAEA protocol though it wasn't required by the NPT. Europe ended up violating the treaty by demanding that Iran abandon enrichment altogether. This, combined with the fact that Iran couldn't get security assurances from Europe, led to Iran abandoning the treaty.
The problem is that the US won't sit down with Iran and discuss the matter. Iran is willing to negotiate their nuclear program with the US based on security, economic and political assurances. Instead the US calls Iran 'evil', which is an infantile thing to say by a world leader IMO.
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 02/18/2008, -11/+4Both.
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -14/+19I guess that means that no one knows that Israel - and not Iran - is the one ignoring international calls from the UN...
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -17/+17DO you mean Iran or Israel? Which one is actively ignoring the UN right now?
- victorypup, on 02/18/2008, -14/+30Out of his own mouth, Haman seals his fate.
- d3lta, on 02/18/2008, -5/+7Whats a Haman?
- victorypup, on 02/18/2008, -5/+8Haman was an ancestor of the modern day Jew hater. In fact he was in Persia.. He built a gallows to hang Mordecai the Jew whom wouldn't bow down to him. He hanged on his own gallows, he and his 10 sons. You find the story in the book of Esther
- eclipse007, on 02/18/2008, -7/+5"You find the story in the book of Esther"
So it's basically a fairy tale, right?!- Turambar, on 02/18/2008, -6/+3yup
- victorypup, on 02/19/2008, -2/+2If that is your perception of God's Word eclipse007, why would you ask for my validation? Queen Esther the wife of Xerxes has a tomb in Hamadan Iran, to this day they still guard her tomb she was their Queen. http://www.farsinet.com/hamadan/esther.html
- d3lta, on 02/18/2008, -5/+7Whats a Haman?
- dlbfromLA, on 02/18/2008, -12/+31'In the future we will bear witness to the disappearance of this cancerous bacterium, Israel, by radiation'.
If an event of that nature were to take place in any form, there would be several countries that would not exist anymore. They may damage Israel to some extent, but Israel with or without the help of the US will annihilate any and all perpetrators involved. This is just another example that none of those surrounding countries want peace with Israel, live by the sword and die by the sword!- kooft, on 02/18/2008, -9/+19RTFA. The submitter of the digg article, israelonblog, clearly altered what was actually said (can anyone say 'agenda'?). FTA:
'In the future we will bear witness to the disappearance of this cancerous bacterium, Israel, by the radiation of Hizbullah fighters'
So, he's making an analogy not threatening to nuke Israel. Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons and isn't threatening to attack Israel either conventionally or otherwise.- abaroz, on 02/18/2008, -10/+15And what is the difference between destroying Israel by nuke or by Hizbullah?
Who is funding Hizbullah? The Iranians of course.
So I don't see the difference how they want to destroy Israel, the fact of the matter is they want to extinguish Israel from the map.
And like others said before if they start this you can be sure Israel will retaliate with full power - kooft, on 02/18/2008, -15/+8"And what is the difference between destroying Israel by nuke or by Hizbullah?"
Depends on what you mean by 'destroy'. When Iran talks about the 'destruction' of Israel, they're referring to the government, not the people. This is what's called regime change and it's a policy that America has pursued for decades. I'm not saying it's a good policy but that you can't condemn Iran for following this policy while ignoring America.
"Who is funding Hizbullah? The Iranians of course."
Many wars are fought by proxy, again, I refer you to US military conflict throughout the 20th century. Israel is arming and training the Kurds in Norther Iraq (who subsequently perform suicide bombings), so does that warrant an Iranian or Turkish attack on Israel?
"...the fact of the matter is they want to extinguish Israel from the map."
Saying it's a fact doesn't actually make it a fact. Find me a quote from Ahmadinejad where he calls for the destruction of Israel and doesn't use the word 'regime'. Don't give me a translation, I want the Farsi version so that I can analyze the words and verify for myself.- abaroz, on 02/18/2008, -9/+18I guess you're naive....
You're right - The Iranians don't want to destroy the people of Israel… Just the government. This is a good joke. The Iranians and Hizbullah say over and over again that they don't want to see the state of Israel exist.
You must be a fool for thinking they don't.
The bottom line is Ahmadinejad don't stop saying he want to see Israel vanish, while you will never see Israel say this about ANY country. - wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -6/+12"When Iran talks about the 'destruction' of Israel, they're referring to the government, not the people."
And you still believe that? Israel being destroyed by "the radiation of Hezbollah" means that Hezbollah will topple Israeli government, leave the Israeli Jews alone, and hold a fair and free election, right? This is like saying that Hitler only destroyed the government of Poland, by turning it into a German protectorate.
"Israel is arming and training the Kurds in Norther Iraq (who subsequently perform suicide bombings), so does that warrant an Iranian or Turkish attack on Israel?"
Reference? I find that very hard to believe. Turkey is the only ally of Israel in the region, and it would seem stupid for Israel to undermine that relationship. - kooft, on 02/18/2008, -12/+5I'm not saying the Jewish population would go un-harrassed if Hizbullah took over, but I doubt there would be a genocide. Let's face it, even if that's what Hizbullah wanted, the international community wouldn't let it happen.
I'm not suggesting that I support Hizbullah's actions, I'm only saying that this whole mentality of "save us from the genocidal Muslims" is not appropriate. It only stands to polarize the situation (e.g., "if you don't support Israel, you support the genocide of Jews").
"Reference? I find that very hard to believe."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/53 ...- wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -3/+13"I'm not saying the Jewish population would go un-harrassed if Hizbullah took over, but I doubt there would be a genocide. Let's face it, even if that's what Hizbullah wanted, the international community wouldn't let it happen."
Sometimes your posts are very rational, and sometimes they are incredibly naive. Hizbullah has made it abundantly clear through their words and their actions, that the genocide of the Jews is exactly what they want. And the "international community", as usual, would do absolutely nothing. It has done nothing to prevent the Holocaust, it has done nothing to stop the genocide in Rwanda, it stood by for years watching the genocide in Bosnia, and is doing absolutely nothing as we speak about the genocide in Darfur.
"I'm only saying that this whole mentality of "save us from the genocidal Muslims" is not appropriate."
Israel has been facing the existential threat since the day of its independence. If Israel were to lose any of the wars it fought with its neighbors, it would have ceased to exist. Add the Holocaust to the mix, and I would say that Israel's fear of genocide is well-founded.
"It only stands to polarize the situation (e.g., "if you don't support Israel, you support the genocide of Jews")."
There is a difference between not supporting or criticizing Israel, and saying that Israel is an illegitimate country that should not exist. In the latter case you do effectively support genocide of Jews.
Very interesting reference by the way. Thanks. No proof that Israeli government is behind it, though. Still, I am very surprised this didn't put a noticeable strain on Israel's relationship with Turkey. - kooft, on 02/18/2008, -11/+5"There is a difference between not supporting or criticizing Israel, and saying that Israel is an illegitimate country that should not exist. In the latter case you do effectively support genocide of Jews."
Associating the fate of all Jews with the Israeli government isn't appropriate. Jews don't cease to exist just because the country has a different leadership (or form of government). I agree that Jews in general are understandably weary of genocide but in forums like digg the term Jew is being used as "someone who's about to be killed in a holocaust".
Genocide is serious business and the term shouldn't be bandied about to garner sympathy.
"No proof that Israeli government is behind it..."
I realize there wasn't a conclusive link mentioned in the article, but they pointed to some high-level people that participated in the organization who were, or currently are, members of the Israeli government. Because of this, the Israeli government clearly knows their people are supporting militant groups in Norhtern Iraq (which some claim to be the PKK or PJAK). - foopirata, on 02/19/2008, -1/+5"The most famous opinions about Jews ascribed to Hizbullah's leader are:
‘If they [the Jews] all gather in Israel it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide’"
http://www.osamasaeed.org/osama/2006/09/nasrallah_ ... - wpi97, on 02/19/2008, -0/+4"Associating the fate of all Jews with the Israeli government isn't appropriate."
I am not associating the fate of all Jews with the Israeli government. That would be silly, because Israel elects a new government every couple of years. I am associating the fate of all Jews with the existence of the Jewish state. During WWII most Jews, who were able to escape Germany, were not granted asylum by other countries. History shows that it makes no sense to rely on others for protection. It is much better to be able to protect yourself by having your own country with an army and a navy.
"Jews don't cease to exist just because the country has a different leadership (or form of government)."
Again, we are not talking about Israel getting a different form of government. We are talking about its existence as a country. What would have happened to the Polish people if the Germans won the war? What would have happened to the Iranians if Iraq won the war? Just a simple change of government? I don't think so.
"I agree that Jews in general are understandably weary of genocide but in forums like digg the term Jew is being used as "someone who's about to be killed in a holocaust"."
From what I have seen, the term "Jew" is more often being used on digg as "someone who is controlling the media, the banks, and the US foreign policy".
"Genocide is serious business and the term shouldn't be bandied about to garner sympathy."
I agree that it is very serious business, and I never use the term lightly. Israel has been in a very real danger of genocide since the day it became independent. It has nothing to do with sympathy, it is simply the case. On the other hand, Israel is being accused of genocide of the Palestinians every day, even though it has committed no such thing.
- wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -3/+13"I'm not saying the Jewish population would go un-harrassed if Hizbullah took over, but I doubt there would be a genocide. Let's face it, even if that's what Hizbullah wanted, the international community wouldn't let it happen."
- abaroz, on 02/18/2008, -9/+18I guess you're naive....
- Pitofdoom, on 02/18/2008, -3/+6Please put down the crack pipe !!!
- abaroz, on 02/18/2008, -10/+15And what is the difference between destroying Israel by nuke or by Hizbullah?
- cageybee, on 02/18/2008, -16/+4listen to this delusional zionist ass kisser
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -5/+5should we listen to you body's trader?
- kooft, on 02/18/2008, -9/+19RTFA. The submitter of the digg article, israelonblog, clearly altered what was actually said (can anyone say 'agenda'?). FTA:
- Iconoclast25, on 02/18/2008, -22/+22We should have introduced these crazies to allah in 1979. Better late than never. May piddle pants carter slowly rot to death in constant pain, the ***** credulous coward.
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -15/+13You mean after the CIA tried to overthrow their country? When America is overthrown, will you react to your invaders how you seem to expect Iran to have reacted ?
Didn't think so. That is the definition of what again?- Pitofdoom, on 02/18/2008, -4/+5The shaw as to control the crazies, now they've got the mullah's !
- kooft, on 02/18/2008, -8/+16"You mean after the CIA tried to overthrow their country?"
Tried? Surely you mean succeeded. They deposed Mossadegh and installed a brutal dictator which oppressed and robbed the Iranian people for decades. The oppression of the Iranian people, by America, was justified by the policy of Soviet containment and lower oil prices.- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -5/+3Say that again? Iranian punishment because of delusional government? Isn't that what I said?
- kooft, on 02/18/2008, -4/+3I understood your point, but your post made it sound like the CIA almost overthrew Mossadegh when in fact they _did_. I just wanted to clear that bit up.
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -5/+3Say that again? Iranian punishment because of delusional government? Isn't that what I said?
- Tangaroa, on 02/19/2008, -4/+1Looks like somebody forgot that Carter sent troops to rescue the hostages. The helicopters crashed and most of the troops died. The element of surprise was lost and Congress promised to impeach Carter if he tried it again for sending troops into combat without a Declaration of War.
- Iconoclast25, on 02/19/2008, -1/+4He didn't act until he'd been groveling for months. Brezhnev told the iranians to cough up the Soviet citizens they had seized or watch the Red Army come in to take them out - *they* were released in *three days!* The rescue attempt itself was undermanned and under-equipped for the task . . . it was a feeble gesture by a gutless babbling jellyfish and worse than useless, for it only served to embolden the terrorists.
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -15/+13You mean after the CIA tried to overthrow their country? When America is overthrown, will you react to your invaders how you seem to expect Iran to have reacted ?
- EIderofzion, on 02/18/2008, -12/+35it's like a famous Athiest said,, Iran WILL attack Israel knowing full well Israel will retaliate, but they don't care, they believe they will be going to heaven and the Jews wont.
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -16/+7How do you figure that? Do you believe in heaven? Are you going to rush head long in a suicidal manner? Why? Why would you expect them to?
If what you are saying is true - what has stopped them thus far?
Maybe those that are using your fear against you in regards to Iran, just as they did against Iraq, are not your friends huh?- Pitofdoom, on 02/18/2008, -4/+12Please research the Iran / Iran war, Iran sent thousands of unarmed kids into machine gun fire for allah !
- Terr01, on 02/18/2008, -6/+6A) You mean Iran/Iraq, yes?
B) Using religious props for national wars is pretty universal--Iran, nor Islam, has a lock on that. - Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -6/+5Pifofdoom - I am assuming the rest of these lemmings that dugg you up haven't heard of Christians sending their children to die in WWII? Or WWI, or the American revolutionary war....
All because "God" was on their side..
Do you see now?- Pitofdoom, on 02/18/2008, -6/+1We gave them guns, tanks planes and ships, with few suicide runs mixed it !
- EIderofzion, on 02/18/2008, -1/+5Correction Carter influenced Sadaam saying that Iran was ripe for the picking, this is how he dealt with the Hostage Crisis.
- Terr01, on 02/18/2008, -6/+6A) You mean Iran/Iraq, yes?
- Pitofdoom, on 02/18/2008, -4/+12Please research the Iran / Iran war, Iran sent thousands of unarmed kids into machine gun fire for allah !
- eclipse007, on 02/18/2008, -5/+5So sick of this misconception and ignorance, I really want to insult you somehow, but since that probably won't help much, I'll explain:
There are a few religious radicals in Iran in the lower to mid levels of the government, but they are significantly outnumbered by the other group.
Wanna know who this other group is? Please read on, till the end...
I start with someone you are familiar with; do you consider Dick Cheney a radical Christian or a ruthless businessman which uses religion or any other tool as a means to make profit? like when he talks about supporting the troops does he really care about the troops or he has an agenda of his own?
Well, Cheney is one of the members of the "Other Group", the businessmen, except he is American.
In Iran we have our own businessmen. Since the 'Islamic' revolution of 1979, these people have taken over the government in a country where 90%+ of the economy is owned and operated by the government.
A clear example, is the largest of these business entities: Islamic Republic Revolutionary Guards (IRGC), most recent bogeyman on CNN/FOX. While the American media focuses on the 'military' part of IRGC's operation, they neglect to mention the much much bigger side of IRGC.
Revolutionary Guards is the single biggest business entity in Iran, they build all the dams, bridges, tunnels and roads, railroad, they operate civilian airports all across the country, they do the largest mining operations, they own many of the largest and most profit generating financial institutions in Iran and this list goes on forever.
Almost half of the members of the current parliament are former IRGC members, Ahmadinejad himself made his way to being Tehran's Mayor and later, Iran's president through IRGC.
Another example is Mesbah Yazi, a mid-level clergy, known as the mentor of Ahmadinejad, the biggest ***** piece of ***** I know in Iran. Plays the same role to Ahmadi Nejad as Dick plays to Bush. But there's another side to this guy, he is also known as "Sultan of Sugar" in Iran. He controls import, distribution and sale of all Sugar in Iran. Believe me, in a country of 70 million population a monopoly on sugar is better than a monopoly on gold mines. He also says that the 'Zionist regime' of Israel is doomed, however nuking them means end of the sweet sugar business for him.
Former president Rafsanjani, former parliament speaker Nategh Noori and many others are businessmen too. They don't give a ***** about religion unless in public when preaching people.
In conclusion, I just want you to think, what benefit does nuking Israel which guarantees a much much harsher reaction from Israel bring to these ruling businessmen? See, that's why Iran, even with nukes is no threat at all to any other country?
All that matters to these people is survival of their business, they are not religious zealots, they don't believe in the second coming or afterlife or crap like what they preach to people. If a day comes where wiping their asses with pages of Quran helps them keep control of their business, then that's what they WILL HAPPILY DO.- victorypup, on 02/19/2008, -0/+2I better understand your perspective eclipse007, I would say, that at least presently, it is a fair comparison to liken Cheney and company to your IRGC. Especially where America's military in the Mid East Theater is concerned (Haliburton etc). One must step back and look for the money trail. The trail leads to anything OIL. Cheney nor Bush either one demonstrate much in the way of Christian commitment. Every thing displayed is for public consumption. I can't pretend to be a spokesman for Israel, but if I consider their perspective, as a tiny sliver of real estate, they won't likely get a second chance to defend themselves, except for Yahweh.
- neko6, on 02/19/2008, -1/+4"they are not religious zealots" - but the Ayatollahs are. I hope Iran becomes a real democracy soon, I understand the people of Iran are much more Liberal than their leaders make them seem. Actually, Iran used to be an ally of Israel before the Islamic revolution.
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -16/+7How do you figure that? Do you believe in heaven? Are you going to rush head long in a suicidal manner? Why? Why would you expect them to?
- wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -11/+23No, it's all a mistranslation. The correct translation would be "erased from the pages of history by radiation".
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -12/+6So you are saying it is inline with what the Israeli VP said earlier this month - which echoed what the Iranian Pres said several months ago......
Outcome - both sides need to give their collective heads a shake. - kooft, on 02/18/2008, -7/+19Not a mistranslation, an intentional misquoting. The article has this quote:
'In the future we will bear witness to the disappearance of this cancerous bacterium, Israel, by the radiation of Hizbullah fighters'
This is an analogy, albeit a poor one, but an analogy nonetheless. Please click through and read the article next time instead of injecting useless hyperbole into the discussion.- wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -7/+12A hyperbole is an obvious exaggeration, such as "he was as tall as a mountain". I made a sarcastic remark drawing a parallel between this threatening statement and the one by Ahmadinejad. I would call it a sarcastic reference, rather than a hyperbole.
I understand that you are trying to soften the image of Iran to do your part to prevent a war, but please do not tell me that this is not a threatening statement from a high-ranked Iranian official, and that the word "radiation" is just a bad metaphor. I also realize that there is no such thing as a cancerous bacterium, but that doesn't make this statement any less scary.- Barbosa, on 02/18/2008, -7/+4Hey one of them stopped war mongering, and advocating the very things they claim make the other side less than human, long enough to nearly make some sense.
- wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -3/+10What in the world are you talking about?
- Terr01, on 02/18/2008, -6/+2"but that doesn't make this statement any less scary."
Well, I think it does. Threatening general military action (even with a wierd biology metaphor) is less scary than threatening an implicit nuclear strike in the current climate, and someone was misquoting in order to wrongly give the second impression.
- Barbosa, on 02/18/2008, -7/+4Hey one of them stopped war mongering, and advocating the very things they claim make the other side less than human, long enough to nearly make some sense.
- kooft, on 02/18/2008, -8/+5Sarcastic is definitely a better description of your post, but either way it contributed nothing worthwhile to the discussion.
"...but please do not tell me that this is not a threatening statement from a high-ranked Iranian official,..."
I didn't. I'm only saying that when Iran calls for regime change in Israel it is _not_ a call for genocide. Iranians don't have an issue with Jews, they have an issue with the government of Israel. I don't necessarily support the Iranian side of the issue, I merely recognize that aggressive foreign policy isn't equivalent to genocide.- wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -4/+7"I merely recognize that aggressive foreign policy isn't equivalent to genocide."
Agreed. However, I find it very difficult to interpret this particular statement as anything other than a call to genocide. Don't you find it odd that Iranian officials keep making statements that are interpreted that way by many, and then you have to delve into the peculiarities of the language to try to persuade people otherwise. - kooft, on 02/18/2008, -6/+5"Don't you find it odd that Iranian officials keep making statements that are interpreted that way by many..."
If this only happened when Iranians spoke I'd agree with you, however this happens whenever _any_ politician speaks. Look at the state of politics in the US. There's a reason politicians are so hard to pin down on issues. For example, if you are pro-choice, you're also a baby killer. If you're anti-abortion, you're oppressing women thus throwing setting human rights back 200 years. Like it or not, that's the nature of politics.
, and then you have to delve into the peculiarities of the language to try to persuade people otherwise."
Two incidents so far (that I know of). Ahmadinjad's quote is repeatedly _intentionally_ mistranslated. He used the phrase, "regime occupying Jerusalem" but people quote him as saying "all Jews" or "Israel in its entirety". That's not delving into the peculiarities of the language, that's called translation.
This latest statement certainly raises some eyebrows, especially with all the tension around Iran's nuclear program. I'm sure the choice of words was intentional. In my opinion, this guy chose words that would get him publicity. Seriously, who;'d have even heard of him if he just said, "Hizbullah is going to retaliate"?- wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -4/+8"This latest statement certainly raises some eyebrows, especially with all the tension around Iran's nuclear program. "
I agree, context is crucial here. When a French ambassador referred to Israel as a "***** little country" in a conversation some years ago, that raised some eyebrows. But this is down right scary. Iranian leadership seems be engaged in a game of "chicken", and that may not end well at all. - Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -7/+4and what it is? calling to peace? your dumb! but not the people on the west.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6PI5S83o6g
- wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -4/+8"This latest statement certainly raises some eyebrows, especially with all the tension around Iran's nuclear program. "
- neko6, on 02/19/2008, -2/+3"regime change in Israel" - as I replied to Eclipse, Israel is a democracy and the people elect the leaders. Ending the Zionist regime means either that the majority is no longer Jewish (ethnic cleansing anyone?), or that the government is not elected by the people (but rather a Muslim dictatorship) Either way, it effectively means destruction of Israel.
- wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -4/+7"I merely recognize that aggressive foreign policy isn't equivalent to genocide."
- wpi97, on 02/18/2008, -7/+12A hyperbole is an obvious exaggeration, such as "he was as tall as a mountain". I made a sarcastic remark drawing a parallel between this threatening statement and the one by Ahmadinejad. I would call it a sarcastic reference, rather than a hyperbole.
- eclipse007, on 02/18/2008, -9/+13IT IS A ***** HUGE BLOODY MISQOUTE:
"In the near future, we will witness the destruction of Israel, the aggressor, this cancerous microbe Israel, at the able hands of the soldiers of the community of Hezbollah," the ideological force's commander, Mohammad Ali Jafari, was quoted by the Fars news agency as saying.
This is what he REALLY said from AFP:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iSiOHuIb-xIpLr ...
Why would ynetnews.com change "hands of soldiers" to "Radiation"?!!!- neko6, on 02/19/2008, -2/+3Maybe AFP changed radiation into soldiers to tone it down, just like many European media outlets refrain from specifying the fact that a rapist/murderer is Muslim when they are (because they are afraid of public outbreak against Muslims)?
Plausible, needs further investigation. - wpi97, on 02/19/2008, -1/+2Oh, that's so much better! I would much rather see my family and friends killed by "the able hands of the soldiers of the community of Hezbollah," than by radiation! (rolls eyes) Do you find it acceptable for a highly placed military official to make a public statement like that about another country?
- neko6, on 02/19/2008, -2/+3Maybe AFP changed radiation into soldiers to tone it down, just like many European media outlets refrain from specifying the fact that a rapist/murderer is Muslim when they are (because they are afraid of public outbreak against Muslims)?
- Waiting2awake, on 02/18/2008, -12/+6So you are saying it is inline with what the Israeli VP said earlier this month - which echoed what the Iranian Pres said several months ago......
- lgfaphile, on 02/18/2008, -16/+20but wait..."the Iranians only want nuclear power for peaceful purposes", President Ahm-A-DinnerJacket.
Its truly amazing that anyone gives any credence to these genocide mongering lunatics. Unfortunately the US' last Intelligence Estimate muddies the water further, and our Democrat led Congress, so intent on scoring political points on Bush, happily closes its eyes to reality. - kp998, on 02/18/2008, -12/+11So much hate on both sides, if people would just realize you can't predict which race you are born into, it's just the luck of the draw, why hate each other, people are just people.
- Barbosa, on 02/18/2008, -4/+5We are talking about *religious* people here. Many of them probably do not care about that at all. Religion is the last refuge for the hateful and the bigoted. Organized religion, a place where hatred and genocide are laudable.
- Zacktopia, on 02/18/2008, -3/+8According to the Human Genome Project, there is no such thing as race.
http://digg.com/general_sciences/Race_gene_does_no ... - Terr01, on 02/18/2008, -3/+3I'd argue religion is secondary--it's just the really handy us-versus-them tool for worldly political powers.
- 7Mystery, on 02/18/2008, -22/+23I am sure the pro-Zionist ynetnews.com is fair and balance.
Look at the source of information before u fall for this this *****!- keyme, on 02/18/2008, -9/+13Ynet is an Israeli news agency. What did you expect?
Besides, it takes one look into the facts to see that it doesn't matter. Iran is being a two-faced bastard on the international plane.
On the one side they claim to be the ambassadors of the "religion of peace", and on the other, they want to incinerate Jews.
Better yet. They actually manage to say both statements, and STILL have people buying their *****. - Boeing777, on 02/18/2008, -12/+8thank you 7Mystery.
I was about the make the same observation.
A pro-zionist source speaking of Iran says it all.
zionists live on lies and repeat them till they themselves believe them - mfratz, on 02/18/2008, -4/+8http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7250894.stm
you will find this same story on any news site....for example bbc.com
and don't tell me they are a pro zionist anti muslim news site too
....except well I couldn't find it on Al-Jazeera's news site....no idea why.- kooft, on 02/18/2008, -4/+3Please note that the BBC article doesn't contain any rhetoric about radiation, nor does the AFP article that eclipse007 has been linking to. This would indicate that either ynetnews.com or BBC/AFP has intentionally misquoted the original comment.
- keyme, on 02/18/2008, -9/+13Ynet is an Israeli news agency. What did you expect?
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 02/18/2008, -13/+18I am sure this was translated wrong, like all of ImOnAMadJihads speeches about wiping out Israel.
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -12/+01
- israelonblog, on 02/18/2008, -11/+6.
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -12/+9for all those who think this article is "fabricate" , and can't believe the "educated" Iranian President can say things like that,
well, take this, and please drop only wisdom comments!
if you think people all over the world are so naive and stupid, you are wrong, and every time I'll see any comment of you,
I'll humiliate you by showing you proves, and publish it not only here, but also in many western web sites.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo- eclipse007, on 02/18/2008, -7/+4It is a fabrication, the 'RADIATION" part, read the story on AFP not a Zionist propaganda new agency:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iSiOHuIb-xIpLr ...
- eclipse007, on 02/18/2008, -7/+4It is a fabrication, the 'RADIATION" part, read the story on AFP not a Zionist propaganda new agency:
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -11/+6trying to bury truth comments and hiding your face? well, get one more, showing the Americans your real face! Iranian TV Series "the world without America" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JuQNHJ0DDI
- Erythroxylum, on 02/18/2008, -12/+13'Z0MG teh mistranslationz!!1!LOL hE waZ talkingz aBout sending teh radiatorz to Isralis to keep them warm in teh winterz!!1!LOL'
Note to the bearded, genocidal nutjob/Revolutionary guards commander: Bacteria don't cause cancer (they may or may not facilitate it, but not cause it). Maybe if you spent less of your time on your knees in some gaudy building, smacking your ugly head on the floor, mumbling incoherent gibberish to the Arabian Moon God, you'd know such things, and you wouldn't be a citizen of one of the - if not the - most backward, cruel, barbaric dictatorship on Earth.
But anyway, 'In the future we will bear witness to the disappearance of this cancerous bacterium, Israel, by radiation'. I doubt it. Despite near-infinite resources, time (what else are they going to do?) and will, you just don't have what it takes. Annihilating Israel is beyond your primitive capabilities. - Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -11/+9Iranian TV: This is what they think about the west, not Israel. Israel just stopping them to reach Europe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6PI5S83o6g
I just wonder why suddenly all the pro-terrorist sitting in quiet when we showing them here video. I guess they should suicide on those people who so silly to publish their poison on official TV.- quaxon, on 02/18/2008, -2/+5Yet another american idiot that can't tell the difference between iran and the rest of the arab world. None of those clips are from iranian tv, they are all speaking arabic, iranians speak persians, though i guess it is expecting too much for some ignorant american to understand that.
- jbus, on 02/18/2008, -11/+21Too bad there isn't a bury "propaganda" option on digg.
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -9/+6is it a "propaganda"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6PI5S83o6g- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -7/+4u know only to burry comments like rabbits ah? the real muslim face. if youare rteally brave, try Israel again. i guess even 100 wars with Israel wouldn't teach you what it is to loose.
- victorypup, on 02/18/2008, -6/+3Avino I pushed the green button to dig you up, and instead it added a minus. Somebody has the digg backwards. I wouldn't call that propaganda, I would call that looking at the truth. Good vido
- jbus, on 02/18/2008, -5/+1...
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -7/+4u know only to burry comments like rabbits ah? the real muslim face. if youare rteally brave, try Israel again. i guess even 100 wars with Israel wouldn't teach you what it is to loose.
- nblsavage, on 02/18/2008, -4/+9I'd suggest "inaccurate" - Considering the entire quote isn't mentioned in context. The secretary-general's statement is still aggressive but if we're going to argue about it, lets argue about it accurately.
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -9/+3ohhh, i forgot to meantion, you are brave only on Muslim woman.
- ironhide, on 02/18/2008, -4/+6Speaking as an atheist - shut the ***** up you idiot spammer.
- jbus, on 02/18/2008, -3/+3Actually I'm a Catholic, but thanks for making an ass of yourself.
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -9/+6is it a "propaganda"?
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -9/+6hey, come on, be brave to comment back to the real things i'm showing you here, not only bury comments. this the way you think to destroy Israel? give me a break! lol. gosh, you are so dumb :)
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -11/+6let's see how many comments you can bury ;) Iran TV: This is what they think about USA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZFXF97QzRQ don't forget terrorist, evreything you teaching your children, come to our hands, and we'll show it the world.
- Pitofdoom, on 02/18/2008, -9/+4To commune with allah one must willfully suspend logic, truth and wisdom as he leads unto death.
allah on unholy ground (west) demands sharia law, but infidel's can't even stand on holy (ME) ground.
Allah's delusions will be granted when magog is allowed to move.- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -5/+2mmmm and in english plz?
- nblsavage, on 02/18/2008, -4/+3Don't comment on someones grammar if yours is incorrect also.
- kooft, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1someone's
http://class.georgiasouthern.edu/writingc/handouts ...- nblsavage, on 02/18/2008, -2/+2That's what I get for trusting digg's "correction"
- kooft, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1someone's
- Pitofdoom, on 02/18/2008, -2/+1What part of English didn't you get, I tried to keep it as short and yet as "sweet" as possible ?
- nblsavage, on 02/18/2008, -4/+3Don't comment on someones grammar if yours is incorrect also.
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -5/+2mmmm and in english plz?
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -13/+4iranian TV: The world without America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZFXF97QzRQ- overtoke, on 02/18/2008, -3/+3shut the ***** up you ***** idiot
- Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -13/+6iranian TV: The world without America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZFXF97QzRQ - Avinio, on 02/18/2008, -13/+7Iranian TV: This is what they think about the west, not Israel. Israel just stopping them to reach Europe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6PI5S83o6g
I just wonder why suddenly all the pro-terrorist sitting in quiet when we showing them here video. I guess they should suicide on those people who so silly to publish their poison on official TV. - evilpoptart, on 02/18/2008, -10/+2in my opinion both Israel and Iran crazy and armed.
- DreKor, on 02/18/2008, -6/+16I suppose if you actually read the article, you'd find the submitter was willfully misleading you.
FTA: According to Jaafari, "I am convinced that with every day that passes Hizbullah's power increases, and in the near future we will bear witness to the disappearance of this cancerous bacterium, Israel, by the radiation of Hizbullah's fighters."
But then, who cares about the facts when you have a chance to get pissed off at Iran.- mfratz, on 02/18/2008, -6/+7right, cause thats not aggressive or hateful in any way...
- neko6, on 02/19/2008, -3/+3If Iran doesn't want people to get pissed off at them, they should stop threatening other countries with annihilation. Not arming terrorist organization would also be a nice step, but lets start with the rhetoric and move on up slowly...
- eclipse007, on 02/18/2008, -5/+8Read the article, read other sources like AFP and you'll see why it should be buried as Inaccurate:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iSiOHuIb-xIpLr ... - tsouth1, on 02/18/2008, -6/+6We will be at war with Iran soon, the whole leadership is a bunch of whack-jobs. The only thing they understand is brute force, which we should have unleashed in 1979, but then as now, we have a bunch of democrats living in a fantasy world that think "we can all get along". Tell that to the Danes who are constantly being threatened by Iran for publishing a cartoon and standing up to their bigotry against women. Way to go Iran, speaking words of the mentally insane.
- shyboy2008, on 02/18/2008, -9/+5Israel is the real terrorist organzation.
- mit7, on 02/18/2008, -3/+2Why do most leaders and officials insist on mutual paranoia? While an average Joe, Moe, Ali, Jose, etc... soldier or civilian ends up dead for their country, the officials sit comfortably in their 5star bunkers and come out when they say the fight is over to sign a peace treaty... until next time.
- firebringer, on 02/18/2008, -4/+8The Arabs don't exactly have a great track record against the Israelis when it comes to outright armed conflict. Even when they have vastly numerically superior forces they fail. Hence they rely on terrorism. I hope they don't try again but if they do I really hope the Israeli's don't hand the land back for peace like they have in the past. They've let the Arab warmongers off too lightly in the past.
- Worldviewsblog, on 02/19/2008, -2/+4Here's another view on the "liquidation" of Mughniyeh:
http://digg.com/world_news/Blood_and_Champagne_Whe ... - Tangaroa, on 02/19/2008, -3/+7In all the quibbling about whether the translation is accurate, it looks like everyone forgot that the head of Iran's military described Israel as a "cancer" and welcomed its destruction, and he said that in a letter to Hezbollah in sympathy of the death of a Hezbollah leader.
- MordechiZ, on 02/20/2008, -0/+4Buried for inaccuracy. The word radiation doesn't appear anywhere.
Check out the new & improved