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- arjie, on 08/30/2008, -2/+12Ha ha, okay, I know it isn't funny, but this reminds me of the time when my (Indian) government found some blogspot blog and a yahoo groups group that had terrorist propaganda and coordination information on it, so they told the ISPs and then _all_ of blogspot and yahoo groups were banned. It was pretty funny laughing at their incompetence.
- th3heretic, on 08/30/2008, -2/+11I cross referenced his MySpace with his Youtube account...
- inactive, on 08/30/2008, -0/+8Who's the persecuted group?
- Borgcube636, on 08/30/2008, -3/+10I thought all of us were terrorists... you know? Why else is our government spying on us?
- dkapuchino, on 08/30/2008, -1/+7Arab men born in Riyadh, to rich business men with connections to the Saudi Royal Family, raised as devout Sunni Muslims, with beliefs that the restoration of Sharia law will set things right in the Muslim world, and that all other ideologies—"pan-Arabism, socialism, communism, democracy"—must be opposed.
- poidh, on 08/30/2008, -3/+7Wow, there are some idiots in this thread and you are the biggest yet.
- BotchaMcCoola, on 08/30/2008, -1/+4It doesn't matter much. Our FBI, Homeland Security, and their International counterparts have kept us safe from terrorist crimes since the 911 wake-up call and they will continue to do so. I know some of our FBI work. It is very good and yes they do in fact use profiling regardless of what you may hear. Still they can't be lax in anyway. Atta and his friends were shockingly clever. Similar types might develop another clever plan and might be working in Belgium or likes right now like Atta and friends were doing in Germany. Worse still, it would be easier for them to get greater funding now from Saudis and other rich anti-Americans in the Mid-East.
- dkapuchino, on 08/30/2008, -0/+3Well, more Muslims than our infidel troops are killed by Muslim suicide bombings, so I guess Tssst does have a point.
- cannibaljp, on 08/30/2008, -0/+3that's a fair assessment, and a reasonable line of logic!
- solid12345, on 08/30/2008, -1/+4More Muslims are persecuted by other Muslims than by us infidels.
- dkapuchino, on 08/30/2008, -1/+4Don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure the government is just trying to get hand of my kick ass porn collection.
Just the other day I checked my logs, and saw an unauthorized access from www.cia.com to the file: Jenna_Jameson_Meets_Silvia_Saint.wmv.
Haha, losers, I quickly replaced it with a video of two shemales going at it. That should teach the government a lesson! - dkapuchino, on 08/30/2008, -0/+2Hence why I've been dugg down :)
- inactive, on 08/30/2008, -6/+8Too bad he is right? About? Looking for Al Queda and finding the CIA? What does that mean? The CIA is in bed with Al Queda?? I see some wrinkles in your tin foil hat moron. Get off the pot and stop watching TV. Go get a real education from a reputable university and do some world travel. Nut cases like you are an embarrassment to Digg.
- xyplex2, on 08/30/2008, -0/+2these guys are retarded, my friend does a WAY better job and he actually talks to Al Qaida people all the time. His site is
www.terroristmedia.com
they probably rip off my friends information that he gathers, I had the Bin Ladin audio broadcast a week before the freaken news agency had it.
he also runs www.federaljack.com - inactive, on 08/30/2008, -3/+5The Gulf of Tonkin Incident is the name given to two separate incidents involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. On August 2, 1964 two American destroyers engaged three North Vietnamese torpedo boats, resulting in one of the torpedo boat's sinking. On August 4, 1964, the American destroyers reported a second engagement with North Vietnamese boats.In 2005, an official NSA declassified report revealed that the USS Maddox first fired on the North Vietnamese torpedo boats August 2 incident and that there may not have been North Vietnamese boats at the August 4. The report said
It is not simply that there is a different story as to what happened; it is that no attack happened that night. In truth, Hanoi's navy was engaged that night the salvage of two of the boats damaged on 2 August.
In the rules of war just like the rules domestic assault, you do not have to wait to be attacked in order to respond. Responding to the threat of violence caused by an immediate show of force is legal, moral and ethical.
The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a neutral U.S. Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, in international waters north of the northern Sinai Peninsula coast, about 25.5 nautical miles northwest of the minaret at El Arish, by Israeli jet fighter planes and motor torpedo boats on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 and wounded more than 170 crew members, and damaged the ship severely. Shortly after the attack ended, Israel informed the U.S. that its forces had attacked the Liberty in error. An Israeli Inquiry Commission composed of one person, Colonel Ram Ron, concluded that the attack was caused by a chain of mistakes by Israel Defense Force (IDF) personnel. The IDF, in its History Report about the attack, says it asked the United States to inform them of any U.S. ships in the area but was not told of the Liberty's presence. The IDF air and naval forces, respectively, misidentified the Liberty as an unknown destroyer and the Egyptian cargo ship El Quseir. Supporters of Israel's explanation say that no credible motive existed for Israel to initiate a surprise attack against an important ally and the possibility of such mistakes were inherent in the tense atmosphere of the Six-Day War. The United States government was concerned about such dangers and ordered the Liberty further away from shore but the order was not received in time due to a series of communication failures. In the IDF's History Report about the attack, it points out that that "though the attack on the armed forces of a friendly nation is a most regrettable and painful occurrence, incidents of this kind do occur in war-time."
The only "False Flags" are the false flags of conspiracy theorists like yourself. - ErickStevenson, on 08/30/2008, -2/+4So... suicide bombers are online now? ***** it, they are ***** everywhere nowadays... gotta check my shoes everyday, sometimes I think they hide there, can never be too safe!
- inactive, on 08/30/2008, -3/+5There are terrists under yer bed, they're in yer closets, they're in yer internets!
- kevinmotel, on 08/30/2008, -0/+2it also failed on leopard. an .exe? really? i LOL in your general direction.
- ortucis, on 08/30/2008, -0/+2Yup, ISP's here are pretty retarded.
- TSK05, on 08/30/2008, -0/+2She's awesome but stop spamming for god's sake, reported.
- inactive, on 08/30/2008, -4/+6somebody call netforce!
- murphy11211, on 08/30/2008, -1/+3I've seen video's of terrorist training camps....
They've got them running through the tubes and everything. - WTFppl, on 08/30/2008, -7/+8Buried for propaganda!
- dkapuchino, on 08/30/2008, -1/+2I dugg you down, only so I could digg you back up twice.
- Hangly, on 08/31/2008, -0/+1Someone call Geek Squad!
- Meocross, on 08/30/2008, -1/+2Inter-net-pol is but a speck away.
- g00dETH3R, on 09/01/2008, -0/+1From recent spiegel.de articles they sound like a German version of fox or cnn.
***** the Internet patriot act and anybody who diggs this fear mongering bull ***** up.
- unclejimbo88, on 08/30/2008, -1/+2Damnit, I was gonna say that.
- BinderGang, on 08/30/2008, -0/+1cannibaljp-
Do you think mainstream media and major news stations/papers/etc. want to see the sites get 'pwned' by a bunch of techies and hackers/crackers?
No. They are thinking of the majority of America, regular people, children, etc. Those people would not go to the sites to 'take them down'. - cannibaljp, on 08/30/2008, -0/+1perhaps you're right that the regular folks wouldn't "take them down" but the would flood the site. they would overrun the server, even if they didn't mean to do it. hell, have a website get mentioned on Oprah, and see what happens to it - they didn't mean to bring it down, but it does happen.
- PL3NTY, on 08/30/2008, -8/+9durka durka mohammed jihad
- dkapuchino, on 08/30/2008, -1/+2We use these websites to gather Intel. Once we admit "we've found out about site: X", surely no one will use that site anymore.
- dkapuchino, on 08/30/2008, -2/+3Libtard posing as a Rightard. Typical Diggtard.
Tards 08! - StopTheLie, on 08/31/2008, -1/+2And, for the record, I've never said that "all people" in government are evil. I don't believe that at all. But when it comes to directing government power toward evil means / evil ends, a handful of people who lack "honesty / integrity" are enough.
Example: Operation Ajax. When the CIA overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 (using false-flag tactics by the way) there wasn't a "big huddle" where everyone in government was gathered to discuss the plan. It was a very SMALL group within the government that orchestrated and carried out the coup. (And, since it was such a success, they did the same thing in Guatemala the following year - and have done it in countless other countries since.) - StopTheLie, on 08/31/2008, -1/+2I think it's funny that you attack my reasoning when it's clear that your capacity to "conclude" is entirely dependent on your own (terribly naïve) world view: "Government is good - Evil people in government don't exist anymore. Ridiculous.
I notice that you keep ignoring the information I've given you that could help you overcome this mental deficit. Worse, having ignored it, you then babble on as if you know what you're talking about.
For instance, you talk about "government having learned the lessons of WW1 and WW2," while ignoring the fact that both Operation Gladio and Operation Northwoods took place AFTER WW2. Have you looked up either? (Both have been extensively documented.) -Or maybe you'll just dismiss the National Security Archive as the home of Conspiracy Theorists who can't reason. Maybe you'll dismiss Dr. Daniel Ganser's excellent work (that earned him his PHD – “NATO's Secret Armies”) as a man who's research and reasoning skills are inferior to your own.
I’m just about done wasting my time with you (“Pearls before swine” and all that) but I will, just for good measure, point out the biggest flaw in how your mind operates.
Most of your arguments are known in LOGIC as “logical fallacies.” For instance, you posit that if Clinton was unable to keep his blowjob secret, that secrets involving people in government cannot be kept. Now, in order for me to disprove this premise (“falsify” your theory) I only need one instance that proves you’re wrong. (So, you’ve basically painted yourself into a corner.) Are you waiting for my ONE example? OK, how about the Manhattan Project. – look it up yourself. It was a little more involved than a blowjob. Also, you seem to forget ALL of the continually “declassified” documents that WERE “kept secret” until they became “declassified.”
Another argument that comes from your types ( I’m not sure what pejorative I should use…since you have labeled me a “Truther,” and we appear to be opposites, does that make you a “Liar?”) Anyway, you always ask the question “why would somebody in government commit some criminal act.” I have never understood this question. They would do it for the same reason any criminal commits a criminal act: Because they’re a criminal, they expect to get something they want, and they expect to get away with it.
The big difference between the “common criminal” and a “government criminal” is that a common criminal cannot obstruct investigations from inside the system. They cannot seal documents, confiscate video tapes or appoint their own investigators. They cannot subpoena witnesses, find out what the witnesses know, and then use the information they've obtained to more effectively whitewash their crime.
Why would men in government participate in the Tuskegee Experiment? (Look it up – it’s part of your homework.) If you’re looking for an answer that survives some kind of “moral” test you’re not going to find an acceptable “why.” (Anymore than you’ll find one that explains why a man would grab a child, rape the child, cut the child’s head off, and bury the body in a ditch. –“Why” somebody would do something, in terms that we would understand, is less important than IF they have done it.) If there is evidence that something has been done, that evidence trumps preconceived notions about what a person (acting alone or within government) is capable of.
It seems to me that you're not disputing the Anthrax came from a US government source, you're not disputing that it was made to look like it was sent from "Muslim Terrorists," you're not disputing that the attacks were used to hype fear and justify the wars that followed, and you're not disputing that the man who (supposedly) committed the crime was a government employee.
What you're saying is that it's impossible that it was anything more than a "lone nut." I say, given all I've know about how those in charge of “geopolitical strategy” operate, that your assertion is terribly naive. (Or, to use your own words: "you reasoning abilities are those of an illiterate and poorly traveled juvenile with no common sense or critical reasoning abilities.") - StopTheLie, on 08/31/2008, -2/+2use2bacanadian wrote: "You are nothing but an illiterate misguided juvenile dope smoking truther without a single fact or anything constructive to add."
There you go again with the ad hominem approach. I rest my case (got nothing better, ehh?)
-And for the record: I'm 39 (probably older than you) I haven't "smoked dope" in decades; I don't even drink alcohol (stopped drinking in March of 1991 - over 17 years ago.) Grow up...seriously. - inactive, on 08/30/2008, -2/+2You have a bigger imagination than you have education or common sense. Where is your EVIDENCE that Irvin's was a "patsy"? Hearsay from your drug addicted so conspiracy theorists is not evidence. Irvin's was traced by the FBI through DNA evidence to the source of the Anthrax. Of COURSE he worked for a "government lab" no one else has the capability to manufacture weapons grade anthrax. His motivation was to boost interest in his private venture dealing with a cure to anthrax poisoning. He stood to become a multi billionaire. In words maybe that you can understand, he stood to become a very rich man if the government were to buy his cure for anthrax poisoning. He needed an anthrax scare to make that happen so he caused one to happen. When he was clearly caught he committed suicide by an overdose of drugs. This is not a government sanctioned conspiracy to start a war - where is the evidence for that? In fact the FBI RULED OUT the idea that it was a foreign terrorist incident. From US News and World report: "But by then the FBI already knew anthrax spilling out of letters addressed to media outlets and to a U.S. senator was a military strain of the bioweapon. "Very quickly [Fort Detrick, Md., experts] told us this was not something some guy in a cave could come up with," the ex-FBI official said. "They couldn't go from box cutters one week to weapons-grade anthrax the next."
What else can you come up with brain surgeon?!! - StopTheLie, on 08/30/2008, -2/+2Are you serious? That is your rebuttal? The latest patsy is "Ivins" (who is now conveniently dead) and he was a government employee. Besides the fact that FEW accept that Ivins is responsible, the letters WERE written specifically to frame "Muslim Terrorists."
In other words (since you're apparently not following) the attacks were made to LOOK LIKE they came from people outside of the US government, when in fact the Anthrax and the attacks originated from within. ...got it? - ecomanUW, on 08/31/2008, -1/+1Hey good thing we have an internet patriot act already written for just such a reason! Say goodbye to the internet as we know it.
http://digg.com/security/Internet_Censorship_is_On ... - dkapuchino, on 08/30/2008, -4/+4Nirvanix, what the ***** dude?
We're supposed to get our stories straight! no one will believe us like that.
It wasn't the CIA, it was the JEWS THAT INFILTRATED THE CIA, CONTORL THE MEDIA, AND USED STOLEN ALIEN TECHNOLOGY TO FAKE THE 9/11 ATTACKS. - Hangly, on 08/31/2008, -2/+2There is no Al Qaeda.
- inactive, on 08/31/2008, -2/+2You do not have ONE fact! At least I have quoted the people who are actually charged with investigating this incident. You do not even provide a link!!!! You are nothing but an illiterate misguided juvenile dope smoking truther without a single fact or anything constructive to add.
- StopTheLie, on 08/30/2008, -2/+2--"The only "False Flags" are the false flags of conspiracy theorists like yourself."--
Ya, because the Anthrax attacks, which were coordinated / carried out by individuals within our own government (and made to "look like" the work of "Muslim Terrorists") never really happened. - Zambelli, on 08/31/2008, -0/+0Terrorspam. You'd expect McCain to tell you this kind of stuff.
- inactive, on 09/03/2008, -1/+1Ya - that's what I thought stopthelie - nothing else intelligent to say, no facts to put forth to support your evidence - no critical thinking - no common sense and no evidence. I rest my case!
- playuhh, on 08/30/2008, -1/+1Thats my fantasy football team name :) Cyber-Jihad
- inactive, on 08/30/2008, -2/+2I rest my case!!!! Thank you for proving my point. Another conspiracy theory that has been disproven.
WASHINGTON, Aug. 8 (UPI) -- The U.S. Justice Department said Friday that Steven Hatfill was not involved in anthrax mailings for which he was listed six years ago as a person of interest.
The Justice Department agreed in June to pay $4.6 million to settle Hatfill's lawsuit against the government, but until Friday the government had not exonerated him, The New York Times reported.
"We have concluded, based on laboratory access records, witness accounts and other information, that Dr. Hatfill did not have access to the particular anthrax used in the attacks, and that he was not involved in the anthrax mailings," Jeffrey Taylor, the United States attorney for the District of Columbia, said in a letter to Hatfill's lawyer.Officials say they believe the anthrax mailings were committed by military scientist Bruce Ivins, who died recently after taking an overdose of painkillers.
PALM BEACH, Fla., Aug. 17 (UPI) -- Reports of mental illness suffered by a U.S. anthrax researcher have boosted the outlook for a Florida attorney suing the federal government.
Richard Schuler's $50 million lawsuit in the 2001 anthrax death of a tabloid photo editor may be aided by news that scientist Bruce Ivins may have suffered from paranoid delusions, The Palm Beach Post reported Sunday."To put a guy that mentally unstable in charge of these substances makes me shudder," Schuler said. "But it strengthens our case. It shows the security was bad."Florida law requires any laboratory involved with ultra-hazardous materials to protect members of the general public by avoiding an unauthorized interception and dissemination of the materials.
Schuler expects his case on behalf of Bob Stevens' family to be able to use new FBI information alleging that Ivins was responsible for mailing a series of anthrax-laced letters that took the lives of five people, including Stevens. Schuler also believes the case could force an airing of government evidence against Ivins, who committed suicide July 29 after being informed of murder charges being filed against him. -
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