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Inhaled Cannabis Reduces Neuropathic Pain, Study Says
chroniccorner.net — Cannabis significantly reduces neuropathic pain compared to placebo and is well tolerated by patients with chronic pain conditions, according to clinical trial data to be published in The Journal of Pain...
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- janedogood, on 05/10/2008, -5/+35What this country needs to do is more solid research on cannabis (such as was done in this study). Definitely a step in the right direction!
- fr0ng, on 05/10/2008, -1/+10They did do research back in the day when they were trying to give any and every excuse to make marijuana illegal. The government funded testing to find all the bad things about the plant, and after the tests the scientists found that it really didn't cause harm, and had very good medicinal qualities. But they kept that to themselves and continued the ***** propaganda.
- Gutterpunk, on 05/10/2008, -2/+2What I wanna know is how you test cannabis with the help of placebo? Inhaled cannabis will get you high, so whats the placebo? Exctasy? I mean, the test subject will be able to spot the effects of cannabis even if they don't know what they are inhaling
Not that I doubt that cannabis helps reduce pain, but I'm curious to know what the placebo is (and if I can by some by the gram ;) )- newms32, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1This study used weed with the cannabinoids extracted as a placebo. But yes, that's a major problem behind the research of any psychoactive drug and is part of why it's been hard to get a solid body of evidence in favor of medicinal use.
- emjaymj, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1The placebo would be inactive, not another drug. The idea is to eliminate the power of suggestion from affecting the results, so it's necessary in pretty much every pharmaceutical experiment, even when comparing against other drugs. The THC percentages were relatively weak, the 3.5% is extremely low quality, and I honestly don't doubt that some people would get a similar level of "high" from simply being told that they're smoking marijuana.
- kemp34, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4Pharmaceutical companies do not want their cash cows (pain pills) to face competition from what could be essentially freely available natural medication. Pain medication is a lucrative racket. This is just another example of why we need to DOWNSIZE DC.
- KiraDnote, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2"cannabis is well tolerated by patients with chronic pain conditions" and other couch potatoes
- Fordi, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1I don't know. I've always found it hard to smoke placebos.
- rmmcclay, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Good point...but I have a pet peeve about writing "this country" as though we know what country you're referring to. I'll assume the States.
- kjc5050, on 05/10/2008, -2/+11Did we really need this study to help us figure this out? duh! ha. just kidding. Good article.
- DiggzDE, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2Studies like this will hopefully help bring it one step closer to being a universally accepted form of medicine for pain so I'm happy.
- nahsrocketeer75, on 05/10/2008, -2/+16It's just wrong that politicians will substitute their own fears for the best judgment of the medical community on this issue.
- Billistic, on 05/10/2008, -1/+5Well it's more about keeping the prison industry alive.
- oldgal, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3It isn't their own fears, they are playing on the fears of voters.
- silverleaves, on 05/10/2008, -7/+11The only reason it isn't legalized is the Philip Morris hasn't figured out how to make a profit from it.
- Thinker10, on 05/10/2008, -2/+5It's a common problem:
1. Smoke weed.
2. ???
3. PROFIT! - shawnz, on 05/10/2008, -0/+11by rolling it into paper and selling the result?
- KiraDnote, on 05/11/2008, -2/+2everybody will grow their own or buy it from a friend who does
- marx2k, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Just like we do with beer/cigarettes?
- rhoffer21, on 05/11/2008, -0/+0its far easier to grow pot then ferment alcohol, and tobacco doesnt grow well this far north.
- marx2k, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2I call *****.. at least in part. Growing quality pot is actually pretty damn hard work and takes some serious knowhow. Of course anyone can grow seedy crappy bagseed in a closet under a flouro...
- KiraDnote, on 05/11/2008, -2/+2everybody will grow their own or buy it from a friend who does
- bensone1, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4i think the fact that the federal government doesn't realize how much income could be gained from the legalization and taxation of pot is absolutely preposterous... leave iraq and legalize cannabis and we would get out of the debt that has been created!
- copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -2/+3The US government is smarter than that. They do realize how much money would be made, but by the legalization of it, what would stop someone from growing it and making/selling it themselves? How many people would buy it from stores who buy it from corporations who grow/manufacture it when they would be being drastically undersold by private citizens.
- ParaSwarm, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4You're wrong. Tobacco can be grown by anybody, but you don't often see people smoking home-grown cigarettes. Company-produced pot would preferably be very potent due to competition, thus eliminating the necessity for people to grow it themselves.
- copypasta, on 05/12/2008, -1/+0Tobacco can be grown by anyone, yes, but do you know how difficult it is to actually manufacture, process it compared to how easy it is to do the same with pot?
- ParaSwarm, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1It's not. It's the same thing, dude. You take the leaves, dry them, and smoke them. It's the same for any plant. You roll a tobacco joint, you roll a marijuana joint. Your argument is flawed.
- BearinG, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1What about prices.. if the government taxes the crap out of it.. i can see it people growing their own or buying from "someone else"
- ParaSwarm, on 05/11/2008, -1/+4You're wrong. Tobacco can be grown by anybody, but you don't often see people smoking home-grown cigarettes. Company-produced pot would preferably be very potent due to competition, thus eliminating the necessity for people to grow it themselves.
- newms32, on 05/11/2008, -2/+0You think the government could earn $10 trillion by selling weed? A pound for every man, woman and child on earth. We could just incapacitate other countries until their currencies bottom out. Debt problem solved
- copypasta, on 05/11/2008, -0/+0If you do not see my point then you are completely ***** retarded.
- copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -2/+3The US government is smarter than that. They do realize how much money would be made, but by the legalization of it, what would stop someone from growing it and making/selling it themselves? How many people would buy it from stores who buy it from corporations who grow/manufacture it when they would be being drastically undersold by private citizens.
- Thinker10, on 05/10/2008, -2/+5It's a common problem:
- MisterFreeze, on 05/10/2008, -6/+12Oh I get it. Cannabis good, drug prohibition bad.
- Gutterpunk, on 05/10/2008, -1/+4For some, it's more "Cannabis good, drug prohibition good". Cannabis is more at the level of alcohol and tobacco than of any hard drug.
- oldgal, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4One of the problems is that our teenagers know what adults say about pot is not true, so then they question what we say about all other drugs being true. Also, it is in the best interest of the guy selling pot to get the client to upgrade to a more addictive drug. We are creating more problems than we are solving by demonizing pot.
- Cenobite, on 05/10/2008, -1/+35I just want to say that The Journal of Pain is the most awesome title for a publication ever. Is Mr. T perhaps the editor?
- zephyr42, on 05/10/2008, -2/+4*****
- JohnnyHotballs, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2well said.
- endlessoul, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4If not, he needs to be hired on as a spokesman.
Popularity would soar.- zephyr42, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2haha some unknown medical journal suddenly becomes mainstream news. I can see it now...
"And now your nightly review with *THE JOURNAL OF PAIN* hosted by none other than Mr. T"
- zephyr42, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2haha some unknown medical journal suddenly becomes mainstream news. I can see it now...
- zephyr42, on 05/10/2008, -2/+4*****
- masaccio, on 05/10/2008, -1/+22The endorphin class of chemicals reduces pain in the brain, and so do the opiates, like heroin and morphine. Cannabinoids operate in the spinal column. Opiates depress the central nervous system, causing breathing problems and other bad side effects. Cannabinoids block pain in the spinal column, and therefore do not have these bad effects. http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/82/1 ... The author of this article is a great person.
- smotpoker, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Sounds interesting though it seems different from how most researchers say it works. Pot is supposed to stimulate dopamine production which is similar to endorphins (I think). Plus this article is a bit dated... Not saying it's inaccurate, just that I cannot understand it exactly due to inconsistency with previous knowledge and terminology :P
*tries to remember to re-read it later*- masaccio, on 05/11/2008, -0/+0The author, who I knew, told me that he discovered over 30 cannabinoids, and found the location of the sites where they acted.
- smotpoker, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1Sounds interesting though it seems different from how most researchers say it works. Pot is supposed to stimulate dopamine production which is similar to endorphins (I think). Plus this article is a bit dated... Not saying it's inaccurate, just that I cannot understand it exactly due to inconsistency with previous knowledge and terminology :P
- N3k74r, on 05/10/2008, -13/+6What a surprise, a pro-pot article from a website called chroniccorner.net - submitted by a user named janedogood.
- smotpoker, on 05/10/2008, -0/+7What a surprise, someone else can't see the forest for the trees
- Annibal, on 05/10/2008, -11/+8Are Digg's users all affected by neuropathic pain?!
- sockpuppets, on 05/10/2008, -5/+15Only when reading your posts.
- Dylson, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Yes we are.
- KiraDnote, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1we're afraid we might be if we stop toking
- oldgal, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Only if it works with magic brownies, too.
- trumpydumpy, on 05/10/2008, -0/+14But the government tells me there are no medical uses for cannabis! Just take a look at this very informative (and quite funny) article on the subject:
http://www.justthinktwice.com/stumbleweed/rx_pot_0 ...
My favorite part - "These Marinol(TM) pills can relieve some of the side effects associated with chemotherapy."
So wait, the government says that cannabis has no use as a medicine yet they allow synthetic THC to be used as a medicine? Huh? Well I guess it is synthetic, which is better than natural, and also the pharmaceutical industry will get their money, so it must be good. The lesson? Pills = Good, Nature = Bad.- HappyScrappy, on 05/11/2008, -4/+2The government doesn't let you do heroin either, but morphine used as medicine has the same effects as heroin.
I think you're trying to create a false dichotomy here. The government is pro medicine and anti-recreational drugs.- KiraDnote, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4Correction: the Federal government is pro medical cartel (because of their /extreme/ wealth), and anti anything that hurts the medical cartel. Because that's what they are being paid for.
- toxicshok, on 05/11/2008, -2/+3for the love of good, I understand where you are coming from with this whole "nature's goodness" stuff, but its just an appeal to nature fallacy. I'm for the legalization of marijuana, but you cannot rely on that argument
- endlessoul, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5Maybe. But if presented with a choice between a natural remedy and a synthetic lab-made remedy, I choose the natural.
Especially if the synthetic medicines are being pushed down our doctors throats by pharmaceutical reps. Just so those pharmaceutical companies can make that much more money. With the government's nod of approval, naturally.- KiraDnote, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4It's not just pharmaceutical reps. It's the entire medical establishment/cartel - drugstores; doctors (you need to pay them to give you a prescription); hospitals emergency rooms and clinics (they overcharge you for the medicine they give you), etc. Pharmaceutical reps are actually doing exactly what the rest of the medical cartel wants them to do.
- endlessoul, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5Maybe. But if presented with a choice between a natural remedy and a synthetic lab-made remedy, I choose the natural.
- HappyScrappy, on 05/11/2008, -4/+2The government doesn't let you do heroin either, but morphine used as medicine has the same effects as heroin.
- Smeed, on 05/10/2008, -2/+15When it is legalized, I hope cigarette companies dont put all of the ***** they put in cigarettes into it.
- quesi, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5grow it yersef
- toxicshok, on 05/11/2008, -6/+1why? its not the additives to cigarettes that make them dangerous, It just makes them smell nice.
- nailz420, on 05/10/2008, -11/+3So, inhaled crack reduces it even more. Also, curbs appetite to helps lose weight and increases energy.
- fishpillow, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Funny you mentioned that.. I've tried both extensively and I personally have come to the conclusion that the crack thing was not sustainable at all. Pot was not so much a problem. Quite nice actually.
- BlueStreak69, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3Don't forget that you can OD on crack, it's ridiculously addicting, and it's extremely bad for your health. On the other hand, no one has ever OD'd on pot, it's less addicting than caffeine, and if used responsibly, it doesn't affect the health that much.
- smotpoker, on 05/10/2008, -1/+2Despite it's stigma, crack is just a form of cocaine more-or-less. That is the main/active/intoxicating ingredient (unless you got ripped off :P). "Crack", in it's purest form, is administered daily to millions of people around the world for medical purposes (primarily pain relief, I would assume), often by injection which is even more potent and potentially harmful than inhalation.
- toxicshok, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3while I agree with what you are saying, the methods used to make crack can never fully isolate the cocaine molecule. It requires the older freebase method that used diethyl ether and other explosive chemicals. Crack by its nature, its impure.
- smotpoker, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1I'm no expert on the subject, but I have *heard* of people making crack from just water, coke and maybe baking soda... I may be confusing facts/memories to some extent though.
Sorry if I misinformed anyone; I was under the impression that the only reason crack had any other ingredients was just to produce more crack/profit
- smotpoker, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1I'm no expert on the subject, but I have *heard* of people making crack from just water, coke and maybe baking soda... I may be confusing facts/memories to some extent though.
- toxicshok, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3while I agree with what you are saying, the methods used to make crack can never fully isolate the cocaine molecule. It requires the older freebase method that used diethyl ether and other explosive chemicals. Crack by its nature, its impure.
- JohnnyHotballs, on 05/10/2008, -6/+3http://www.buycheapseeds.com
- OMnicient, on 05/11/2008, -1/+0!Rip-off alert!
- jplily, on 05/10/2008, -1/+1That was a really interesting article
- insanebrain, on 05/10/2008, -1/+13in other news. . water is still wet.
more at eleven.- zephyr42, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1OMG THE SKY MAY NOT BE BLUE ANYMORE!!!!
must watch at 11.........
- zephyr42, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1OMG THE SKY MAY NOT BE BLUE ANYMORE!!!!
- copypasta, on 05/10/2008, -7/+0It always made my headache worse...
- marx2k, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Smoke better *****
- Deviate, on 05/10/2008, -1/+3Good luck persuading people with an article written by the prestigious "Chronic Corner". It'd be nice if there was a link to the original Journal of Pain article.
- Kaitsu, on 05/10/2008, -6/+3Alcohol relieves all kinds of pains too. Paint thinner also does.
- slothlovechunk, on 05/10/2008, -1/+3Yeah, why even have effective pain medicine in the first place? Why don't people just kill themselves if they feel too much pain?
- sticksnstones, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Some do
- OMnicient, on 05/11/2008, -0/+0Alcohol and paint thinner will do bad things to you, though.
- slothlovechunk, on 05/10/2008, -1/+3Yeah, why even have effective pain medicine in the first place? Why don't people just kill themselves if they feel too much pain?
- BlueSkyfish, on 05/10/2008, -2/+5Wasn't this already known? I thought this was one of the big reasons for medicinal marijuana.
- HappyScrappy, on 05/10/2008, -4/+1The big reason for medical marijuana is to get high.
- marx2k, on 05/11/2008, -0/+0Yep, since thats how it works and all..
- metalmilitia430, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4I guess we forgot.
- HappyScrappy, on 05/10/2008, -4/+1The big reason for medical marijuana is to get high.
- socivitus, on 05/10/2008, -6/+1No matter how many studies prove how safe and helpful marijuana is, it will never be legal for general public purchase/use.
- Unriggable, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4the Pessimism Posse strikes again.
- OMnicient, on 05/11/2008, -0/+0True, even if everybody voted to legalize it.
The US is signed to the UN's psychotropic drugs control treaties, and as that is a treaty, under the 6th article of the US constitution, it is in fact law, as strong as the US constitution, regardless of state laws.
And that's the bummer.
- bobbknight, on 05/10/2008, -2/+1Call me when they find it cures sugar.
- Mikhail101, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1Im feeling abosolutly no nero pain, what does that make me?
- marx2k, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Someone who can successfully burn a CD or DVD, I guess.
- HappyScrappy, on 05/10/2008, -3/+4Fantastic. This is a great reason to study what chemical does this and make a medicine out of it.
When you have an infection, the doctor doesn't tell you to eat some moldy bread, you take a dosed, purified medicine.- Rustymetal, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3ya because any purified opiate is good for long time use? no It's not, it leads to addiction and you can develop such high tolerance to become almost immune to the drug. These cannot be said for cannabis.
- newms32, on 05/11/2008, -0/+0So you're just against purified drugs?
- HappyScrappy, on 05/11/2008, -1/+2Opiate what? I was referring to penicillin. Note, you take an aspirin for a headache instead of chewing on bark even though aspirin isn't an opiate either.
- ParaSwarm, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Some people enjoy smoking pot. Some people like sitting in a circle with their friends and their hooka and engaging in what is known to many as a culture. But you can go ahead and take your pot-pills.
- HappyScrappy, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1That's great. But that's nothing to do with medicine.
I have more respect for pot smokers who admit they just want to get high than those who try to make it out as a miracle drug or fiber. - ParaSwarm, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1What are YOU talking about? People don't eat bark because we all don't grow pain-relieving trees in our backyard. The same amount of people eat apples for vitamin C as the others who take vitamin supplements for it.
Of course people smoke pot to get high, you dope. Part of the high is the health benefit - the reduction in pain. It is an added benefit to smoking it. People wouldn't stop smoking pot just to take it in pill form for health benefits. By the way, the chemicals that give you medical benefits are the same chemicals that get you high. So, pill or hooka, you're getting stoned. Sounds to me like you want to sound intelligent and different on this subject, but you just sound silly.
- HappyScrappy, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1That's great. But that's nothing to do with medicine.
- ParaSwarm, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Some people enjoy smoking pot. Some people like sitting in a circle with their friends and their hooka and engaging in what is known to many as a culture. But you can go ahead and take your pot-pills.
- OMnicient, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Your talking medicine, cannabis is an herb.
When I get sluggish, I don't take a caffeine pill, I go and brew a nonstandardized bunch of ground up coffee beans, or any of several teas of widely varying caffeine-containing tea.
Besides, there are more than 50 active compounds that make cannabis therapeutic... I don't think we need 50 brand new pharmaceutical factories built to make what was routinely PRESCRIBED BY DOCTORS IN THE UNITED STATES as an herbal extract.
Also, unless you missed the whole to-do in California, actual licensed doctors are recommending cannabis. In Canada and Netherlands, doctors do in fact prescribe cannabis for smoking or eating.
- Rustymetal, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3ya because any purified opiate is good for long time use? no It's not, it leads to addiction and you can develop such high tolerance to become almost immune to the drug. These cannot be said for cannabis.
- phronq, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Dugg for "The Journal Of Pain".
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- christopherRB, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5This may be true, yes, but I think inhaling any type of smoke into your lungs can't be good.
- ParaSwarm, on 05/11/2008, -0/+6You can eat it. You can vaporize it. Try again.
- Chromedaffodils, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2please explain because i thought you could only smoke it. since it is illegal here, I never researched it. shout me or im me later take care
- OMnicient, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3True, but you can always get one of those vaporizers for safe inhalation. Or the brownie drug delivery system.
- nightmage61, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Go check out:http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/bin/procon/p ...
It's a nice pro vs con argument about smoking cannabis
- ParaSwarm, on 05/11/2008, -0/+6You can eat it. You can vaporize it. Try again.
- aserer511, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4should we be surprised that a substance that produces numbing effects :surprise: cures some pains?
- anniegarrison, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Responses to al drugs are very individual. I have repetitive stress injury from overuse of computer and nothing makes it worse than consuming pot in any way whatsoever. I haven't gone near the stuff in 20 years.
- julianp, on 05/11/2008, -1/+1OMG cannabis is marijuana, right? Isn't that stuff a gateway drug? How can people condone this behavior from me
- julianp, on 05/11/2008, -0/+0what
- rmmcclay, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Just legalize and regulate it.
- macinit1138, on 05/11/2008, -0/+1Yeah, but can it, being legal, line (pharmaceutical's | DEA's | Judicial System's) pockets with gold? And I highly doubt it would ease any pain of that transition to any of the fore-mentioned. Country, we all just have to wait until this "free" pain relief craze blows over.
- NewPunk, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2I can tell you for a fact that weed is a painkiller. I sprained my ankle very badly skateboarding about 5 years ago and I could barely walk on it. Smoked some pot with my friends and I was limping home in no time. I actually got baked the next few days straight 24/7 just to feel better and get around. The ***** definitely works, and the pain is relieve almost instantly after you inhale. Awesome drug.
- Chromedaffodils, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2I suffer, SUFFER from peripheral neuropathy. It gives you a feeling in your arms, legs etc, like they are burning in hell while you are alive and appear by visual assessments, to be just fine. So you are dying in pain, go to the er for help as a normal person who felt like they were dying would do. Then they explain how many people come there seeking drugs. Ya, so, help me. Well - we think you need to find another way to cope.... um, okay - suggestions.... talk to a doctor... well - isn't that what you are... ya, but another doctor, you don't go to the er for this.
Seriously - this was my experience. They shot me in the hip with something, refused to tell me what it was and sent me away and flagged my medical records that somehow I am a seeker. Ya, I am mad as you know what and I am not gunna take it anymore. I am also suffering with joint degeneration and arthritis from my surgeries and cancer treatment. I have a wonderful doc helping me for amonth or so. After that, if I have no help with my pain, I have no idea what i will do. I am so dead serious I am near tears.
People who want drugs legal because they think it is fun to get high, live with me a week. I could hit them in their teeth, still love you guys, but please - you only make it harder for me to get help. I am suffering and know soon my options dwindle like watching sands in an hourglass and know i have little time for help....
please be responsibe about your attempts to legalize things like this and opium and stuff that can save my life but others just get high. I want to live and these could help me, but when abused, then overprotective people get laws passed and things controlled and then peole like me do not get help and noone knows because we just die.
I don;t even know how i would get it illegally anyway and i dont want to- i want help and if this could help, i want my doctor to let me have help. sigh....... message me if you know resources for support research ideas and docs who help in ohio
thanks guys and take care - nightmage61, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I would like to add my input regarding Marinol vs. cannabis. For those that don’t know, Marinol is synthetic THC and costs around $1300 for a 30 day supply. The big rip-off isn’t the price; it’s that the stuff doesn’t work. I tried Marinol for over a month, I kept hoping it would work like cannabis but it never did.
So … drug company makes medication to counter medical cannabis, gets big pat on back from FDA, and starts selling a drug that does nothing for $1300 a pop.
Hummm.. $1300 a month for a fake drug that does nothing, or about $300 month for the real thing that works. So, what would you pick? - lgfaphile, on 05/14/2008, -0/+1Will it also end the pain I feel when political campaigns call looking for money?
- hichnii, on 09/25/2008, -0/+1Opiates depress the central nervous system, causing breathing problems and other bad side effects.
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