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- inactive, on 05/10/2008, -1/+35I just want to say that The Journal of Pain is the most awesome title for a publication ever. Is Mr. T perhaps the editor?
- janedogood, on 05/10/2008, -5/+35What this country needs to do is more solid research on cannabis (such as was done in this study). Definitely a step in the right direction!
- masaccio, on 05/10/2008, -1/+22The endorphin class of chemicals reduces pain in the brain, and so do the opiates, like heroin and morphine. Cannabinoids operate in the spinal column. Opiates depress the central nervous system, causing breathing problems and other bad side effects. Cannabinoids block pain in the spinal column, and therefore do not have these bad effects. http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/82/1 ... The author of this article is a great person.
- nahsrocketeer75, on 05/10/2008, -2/+16It's just wrong that politicians will substitute their own fears for the best judgment of the medical community on this issue.
- trumpydumpy, on 05/10/2008, -0/+14But the government tells me there are no medical uses for cannabis! Just take a look at this very informative (and quite funny) article on the subject:
http://www.justthinktwice.com/stumbleweed/rx_pot_0 ...
My favorite part - "These Marinol(TM) pills can relieve some of the side effects associated with chemotherapy."
So wait, the government says that cannabis has no use as a medicine yet they allow synthetic THC to be used as a medicine? Huh? Well I guess it is synthetic, which is better than natural, and also the pharmaceutical industry will get their money, so it must be good. The lesson? Pills = Good, Nature = Bad. - Smeed, on 05/10/2008, -2/+15When it is legalized, I hope cigarette companies dont put all of the ***** they put in cigarettes into it.
- insanebrain, on 05/10/2008, -1/+13in other news. . water is still wet.
more at eleven. - sockpuppets, on 05/10/2008, -5/+15Only when reading your posts.
- shawnz, on 05/10/2008, -0/+11by rolling it into paper and selling the result?
- fr0ng, on 05/10/2008, -1/+10They did do research back in the day when they were trying to give any and every excuse to make marijuana illegal. The government funded testing to find all the bad things about the plant, and after the tests the scientists found that it really didn't cause harm, and had very good medicinal qualities. But they kept that to themselves and continued the ***** propaganda.
- kjc5050, on 05/10/2008, -2/+11Did we really need this study to help us figure this out? duh! ha. just kidding. Good article.
- Pigeon, on 05/11/2008, -0/+8Excuses used to rationalize their fear of marijuana:
1. You get addicted ----------------
Caffine is more addictive than weed. Nicotine is even worst. There are two types of addiction, mental (I want more) or physical (I need more) and it is not possible to become dependant on weed. I see addicts every day.... the tobacco addicts. Many many pot smokers takes routine breaks. Every couple of months I don't smoke for a month, this allows my tolerance to drop so I don't have to use as much to get a nice high. I can stop whenever I want, but I CHOOSE not to. Why? Because I enjoy it. Just like people like going out to the pub. Being drunk is akin to being high.
2. Its a gateway drug ---------------
Not really. If someone wants to try drugs they will. The first drug they use will probably be alcohol or tobacco in reality. Personally I've never used anything "harder" and never will. Why? Because I researched into them first and just decided not to. Note the key word there, research. If you know about the drug, what is does, how it works, etc. and are a responsible person drug use is fine.
3. It makes you fail at life --------------
Really? I could introduce you to several people who have smoked pot since college and are now lawyers, doctors or in otherwise highly paid successful roles. The fact is that if you are lazy you will be lazy regardless of the weed.
4. Inhibits your motor skills ------------------------------
So? I smoke to relax are work so thats fine. It also promotes creativity in certain parts of your brain. This is the effect people actually want. Although anyone driving high etc. is outright wrong and should be heavily punished by the law.
5. Makes you crazy ---------------
IF you ALREADY have underlying mental issues pot can trigger them. It doesn't magically make you go crazy. It is also physically impossible to overdose on pot. It's safer than alcohol.
6. Gives you cancer ----------------
So can everything nowadays. Pot has actually been proven to reduce the chance of getting lung cancer. You can reduce the chance of other cancers by using a vapouriser.
But seriously, the big question is: Why should the government decide what I can put into MY body?
I pay for my healthcare, I cause no harm to other people, why should I be punished for wanting to use a drug of my choice like so many others do?
I smoke pot to get a buzz. People drink to get a buzz. People smoke tobacco to get a buzz. Out of those three pot is the safest yet the one that is illegal. How many fights, murders, rape happen because of alcohol (which makes you more aggressive and/or stupid)? Plenty every night. How many because of weed? Hardly any if any at all.
Instead of listening to government information which is often wrong or twisted try to do your own research. - DrTreez, on 05/11/2008, -0/+71.Coca requires chemical processing to extract its active ingredient in a concentrated form, whereas cannabis is used right out of the ground in its natural form. Chewing a wad of coca leaves has about the same effect as drinking a cup of coffee, so I assume you're anti-coffee too?
2. It makes you mellow and peaceful because of mainly dopamine (among other neurotransmitters) which decrease motor function at only high doses. The therapeutic dose is below the amount where you exhibit loss of motor skills. Wanna know what else causes secretion of dopamine? Alcohol, which is legal of course, so I assume you're anti-alcohol too? Not to mention, side effects of alcohol at high doese are DEATH.
3. WOW. Food, TV's, and video games are established markets. What we're talking about here is a market that's completely underground, with profits going into peoples pockets instead of the IRS. If cannabis were legalized, it would instantaneously become a multi-million dollar industry.
4. So you think people should vaporize? How the ***** can you suggest vaporization if you're arguing against cannabis? You know what you put in a vaporizer?
5. This obviously isn't a valid argument, unless you just blindly believe everything you hear (I don't know anyone who does). However, Bill Hicks made an informed decision about his stance on cannabis after having pancreatic cancer. Do you have cancer? Have you ever used it to treat cancer pain? Bill Hicks has more experience in this matter than both of us. - smotpoker, on 05/10/2008, -0/+7What a surprise, someone else can't see the forest for the trees
- ParaSwarm, on 05/11/2008, -0/+6You can eat it. You can vaporize it. Try again.
- KloroFormd, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5"I can be slow, awesome. (I truly feel badly for people who take THC pills for pain because of the side effects)"
I'd rather be slow than fiending for my next fix of Vicodin.
"Ricky Williams was fast, before pot, then he started skipping practices and was kicked out of the NFL (pot ruined his career)"
Nah, that's retarded decisions. I've smoked pot for 7 years now and have yet to allow one responsibility be overlooked because of it. - quesi, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5grow it yersef
- fishpillow, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4Funny you mentioned that.. I've tried both extensively and I personally have come to the conclusion that the crack thing was not sustainable at all. Pot was not so much a problem. Quite nice actually.
- bensone1, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4i think the fact that the federal government doesn't realize how much income could be gained from the legalization and taxation of pot is absolutely preposterous... leave iraq and legalize cannabis and we would get out of the debt that has been created!
- endlessoul, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5Maybe. But if presented with a choice between a natural remedy and a synthetic lab-made remedy, I choose the natural.
Especially if the synthetic medicines are being pushed down our doctors throats by pharmaceutical reps. Just so those pharmaceutical companies can make that much more money. With the government's nod of approval, naturally. - aserer511, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4should we be surprised that a substance that produces numbing effects :surprise: cures some pains?
- MisterFreeze, on 05/10/2008, -6/+12Oh I get it. Cannabis good, drug prohibition bad.
- Unriggable, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4the Pessimism Posse strikes again.
- kemp34, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4Pharmaceutical companies do not want their cash cows (pain pills) to face competition from what could be essentially freely available natural medication. Pain medication is a lucrative racket. This is just another example of why we need to DOWNSIZE DC.
- KiraDnote, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4Correction: the Federal government is pro medical cartel (because of their /extreme/ wealth), and anti anything that hurts the medical cartel. Because that's what they are being paid for.
- KiraDnote, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4It's not just pharmaceutical reps. It's the entire medical establishment/cartel - drugstores; doctors (you need to pay them to give you a prescription); hospitals emergency rooms and clinics (they overcharge you for the medicine they give you), etc. Pharmaceutical reps are actually doing exactly what the rest of the medical cartel wants them to do.
- oldgal, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4One of the problems is that our teenagers know what adults say about pot is not true, so then they question what we say about all other drugs being true. Also, it is in the best interest of the guy selling pot to get the client to upgrade to a more addictive drug. We are creating more problems than we are solving by demonizing pot.
- slothlovechunk, on 05/10/2008, -0/+5Wow, you're really sold on this "pot is bad" thing, aren't you?
A little uptight, are we? Maybe you should just try it. I hear you can try it at least once without getting addicted and ending up on the street sucking dick for your next hit. You have nothing to worry about.
I really don't make any of those arguments you just made. If people like it, it's because it enhances the quality of their life. It's what they want to do with their time. I don't see why you would want to take that away from anyone.
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/237205a840 - metalmilitia430, on 05/11/2008, -0/+4I guess we forgot.
- Billistic, on 05/10/2008, -1/+5Well it's more about keeping the prison industry alive.
- slothlovechunk, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3You know the rebuttal is what happens after you respond to their response, right? Something you did not do.
You want to use the word 'troll' not 'rebut'. - OMnicient, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3Your talking medicine, cannabis is an herb.
When I get sluggish, I don't take a caffeine pill, I go and brew a nonstandardized bunch of ground up coffee beans, or any of several teas of widely varying caffeine-containing tea.
Besides, there are more than 50 active compounds that make cannabis therapeutic... I don't think we need 50 brand new pharmaceutical factories built to make what was routinely PRESCRIBED BY DOCTORS IN THE UNITED STATES as an herbal extract.
Also, unless you missed the whole to-do in California, actual licensed doctors are recommending cannabis. In Canada and Netherlands, doctors do in fact prescribe cannabis for smoking or eating. - christopherRB, on 05/11/2008, -0/+5This may be true, yes, but I think inhaling any type of smoke into your lungs can't be good.
- BlueStreak69, on 05/10/2008, -0/+3Don't forget that you can OD on crack, it's ridiculously addicting, and it's extremely bad for your health. On the other hand, no one has ever OD'd on pot, it's less addicting than caffeine, and if used responsibly, it doesn't affect the health that much.
- OMnicient, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3True, but you can always get one of those vaporizers for safe inhalation. Or the brownie drug delivery system.
- endlessoul, on 05/10/2008, -0/+4If not, he needs to be hired on as a spokesman.
Popularity would soar. - inactive, on 05/10/2008, -1/+4For some, it's more "Cannabis good, drug prohibition good". Cannabis is more at the level of alcohol and tobacco than of any hard drug.
- Thinker10, on 05/10/2008, -2/+5It's a common problem:
1. Smoke weed.
2. ???
3. PROFIT! - oldgal, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3It isn't their own fears, they are playing on the fears of voters.
- silverleaves, on 05/10/2008, -7/+11The only reason it isn't legalized is the Philip Morris hasn't figured out how to make a profit from it.
- Chromedaffodils, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2I suffer, SUFFER from peripheral neuropathy. It gives you a feeling in your arms, legs etc, like they are burning in hell while you are alive and appear by visual assessments, to be just fine. So you are dying in pain, go to the er for help as a normal person who felt like they were dying would do. Then they explain how many people come there seeking drugs. Ya, so, help me. Well - we think you need to find another way to cope.... um, okay - suggestions.... talk to a doctor... well - isn't that what you are... ya, but another doctor, you don't go to the er for this.
Seriously - this was my experience. They shot me in the hip with something, refused to tell me what it was and sent me away and flagged my medical records that somehow I am a seeker. Ya, I am mad as you know what and I am not gunna take it anymore. I am also suffering with joint degeneration and arthritis from my surgeries and cancer treatment. I have a wonderful doc helping me for amonth or so. After that, if I have no help with my pain, I have no idea what i will do. I am so dead serious I am near tears.
People who want drugs legal because they think it is fun to get high, live with me a week. I could hit them in their teeth, still love you guys, but please - you only make it harder for me to get help. I am suffering and know soon my options dwindle like watching sands in an hourglass and know i have little time for help....
please be responsibe about your attempts to legalize things like this and opium and stuff that can save my life but others just get high. I want to live and these could help me, but when abused, then overprotective people get laws passed and things controlled and then peole like me do not get help and noone knows because we just die.
I don;t even know how i would get it illegally anyway and i dont want to- i want help and if this could help, i want my doctor to let me have help. sigh....... message me if you know resources for support research ideas and docs who help in ohio
thanks guys and take care - Deviate, on 05/10/2008, -1/+3Good luck persuading people with an article written by the prestigious "Chronic Corner". It'd be nice if there was a link to the original Journal of Pain article.
- Rustymetal, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3ya because any purified opiate is good for long time use? no It's not, it leads to addiction and you can develop such high tolerance to become almost immune to the drug. These cannot be said for cannabis.
- NewPunk, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2I can tell you for a fact that weed is a painkiller. I sprained my ankle very badly skateboarding about 5 years ago and I could barely walk on it. Smoked some pot with my friends and I was limping home in no time. I actually got baked the next few days straight 24/7 just to feel better and get around. The ***** definitely works, and the pain is relieve almost instantly after you inhale. Awesome drug.
- absurdist, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2I don't know, personally, I think it would be evidence of a just and loving FSM if sdrumsalot tried it once and ended up on the street sucking dick for his next hit. But that's just me. ;)
- toxicshok, on 05/11/2008, -0/+3while I agree with what you are saying, the methods used to make crack can never fully isolate the cocaine molecule. It requires the older freebase method that used diethyl ether and other explosive chemicals. Crack by its nature, its impure.
- toxicshok, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2wow, I knew diggers hated israel, but isn't this a stretch?
- slothlovechunk, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Either you're in high school, or you're an extremely immature adult. I'm pretty sure the latter is worse.
Why don't you reply to the posts which addressed your original post point-by-point instead of doing the ad hominem, everyone who responded to my post is an addict attack? - slothlovechunk, on 05/11/2008, -0/+2Wow. I'm betting you are in high school?
- zephyr42, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2haha some unknown medical journal suddenly becomes mainstream news. I can see it now...
"And now your nightly review with *THE JOURNAL OF PAIN* hosted by none other than Mr. T" -
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