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Information will be free: Wikileaks still up, despite order

arstechnica.com — After unflattering and apparently internal documents from the Swiss banker Julius Baer appeared on Wikileaks, the bank filed a federal lawsuit in the US. A judge has now ordered Wikileaks.org scrubbed from the DNS system, but it's hard to eradicate a website.

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  • hermslice, on 02/20/2008, -2/+106Freedom of information!!!!!!!!!!!
  • rebotfc, on 02/20/2008, -3/+89Can't stop the signal.
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      • mightydavefish, on 02/20/2008, -0/+4That could not be more lame if you tried.
  • mrcoderga, on 02/20/2008, -2/+35You can only stop those who would stop the knowledge.
  • Elwood19k20, on 02/20/2008, -2/+31Good for them! Stuff like this makes me happy inside.
  • hoppdawg, on 02/20/2008, -7/+26i playz hot potato with your memo
  • thomoore, on 02/20/2008, -5/+48This is an example of JUST the sort of tyranny the web threatens so much. http://www.scragged.com/articles/disrupting-tyrant ... explains WHY so many tyrants are reluctant to buy thE OLPC for their school children. What would happen if millions of school kids had cameras with laptops and started taking pictures of what their governments were doing? WOW!
    • kipmartin, on 02/20/2008, -8/+3millions of kids DO have cameras (cell phones) and computers (at home) and i havent seen a picture showing 'what our government is doing' from one of these school kids yet. have you SEEN YouTube?
      • MtheoryX, on 02/20/2008, -0/+16Um, yeah, actually. I saw a dick cop picking on a 14 year old skateboarder. Had it not been for the video, he would be off the hook.
        Is that enough of an example?
        • Kurlumbenus, on 02/20/2008, -1/+1And has it stopped this kind of thing from happening?
        • kipmartin, on 02/20/2008, -1/+1no, its not enough of an example.

          a 'dick cop' and the federal government are two very different things. secondly, i havent seen any statistics showing the internet having an effect on crime. just cuz you say you saw a bad cop on YouTube doesnt affect my contention that OLPC is any threat to some supposed fascist propensities in this country. i seriously doubt OLPC is causing fear among the powers that be. remember, Newt Gingerich is one of the people who came up with the OLPC movement.

          you sound like a dick kid, btw.
        • yeti22, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2To kjpMartin: You do understand thomoore was talking about real tyrants in *other countries* right? As in, the countries that are the targets of the OLPC movement?
  • gabeh73, on 02/20/2008, -6/+29They will keep trying, but we have to teach them a lesson. I never heard of wikileaks before this week. We need this info to spread as quickly as possible. teach them that when they try to censor important info we will only spread it further and strenghten our duplicity. What they should have done was just call wikileaks a "conspiracy" website....ya JFK assasination, didn't happen, WTC 7 never heard of it, USS Liberty, it was an accident, Larry Mcdonald...conspiracy nut who had a tragic accident.
  • yohnstoppable, on 02/20/2008, -1/+135Anyone else discover this site purely based off the attempt to shut it down? These stupid attempts at censorship always blow up in someone's face.
    • uberchaoslord, on 02/20/2008, -0/+33I had head of wikileaks before, but you can't buy this kind of publicity.
      • TTURabble, on 02/20/2008, -1/+11Apparently Julius Baer can...Zing!
    • Enfenestrate, on 02/20/2008, -0/+16Yeah, I had never heard of the site before yesterday either
    • KataLieb, on 02/20/2008, -0/+11I had heard of them, but these news got me to find out quick if I could get the whole mirror of Wikileaks. So now I got the whole site mirrored locally and im helping seed it on bittorrent too.
      Good luck with your censorship!
    • UtahApocalyse, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3I ma have vaguely heard of it, now though I am reading... and saving all of it. I have it book marked and will help keep it alive.
    • ufia, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1I had heard about wikileaks from cryptome.
    • trevorjez, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2i accidentally buried your comment when i meant to digg it. so please give yourself +1 on whatever your current diggs are.
      • StGhurka, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6That would have to be +2 to even it out.
    • kamikaze87, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8Yes, that's how I heard of it. In fact they have a name for these types of occurances:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
      • nicholai, on 02/21/2008, -0/+4"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."
        Perfect
  • Hellbacon, on 02/20/2008, -2/+21Dugg again, because this is important.
    • Kurlumbenus, on 02/20/2008, -6/+1Dug down because I do not approve of superfluous digs.
      • RpgActioN, on 02/21/2008, -0/+1Do you also not approve of superfluous 'g's?
  • Kenzan, on 02/20/2008, -3/+8Why do I get the feeling that some of the people associated with the Bank and this issue are going to *disappear?*
    • khail250, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1not a feeling, rather hemroids
    • 4rp4n3t, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1Dunno. Perhaps your tinfoil hat is a little tight?
  • EvoPsy, on 02/20/2008, -1/+5Stick it to the man.
    • RealmDown, on 02/20/2008, -1/+3Damn the man! Save the Web site!
      • craftycorner, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1This thing's going viral. It's like stopping ***** in a feedlot!
  • kargur, on 02/20/2008, -0/+16here is a link to the wikileaks page
    https://wikileaks.be/wiki/Bank_Julius_Baer
    lets go there and streisand effect it
  • nailz420, on 02/20/2008, -11/+2 can't find wikileaks.org: Non-existent domain
    • Hellbacon, on 02/20/2008, -1/+6duuuurp durp duuuurp
    • yunus, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6First RTFA Second read all articles before you comment on them
  • dustyshadow, on 02/20/2008, -11/+2ummm.... http://www.wikileaks.org/ is down. Can someone show me where it is "up?"
  • hexcr03, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8Yeah i never heard of this site, but now that i have i go to it atleast once a day!!!! go wikileaks.be!!!!
  • dasoca, on 02/20/2008, -2/+17The page also is accessible on http://88.80.13.160/
  • gmillerd, on 02/20/2008, -3/+3The DNS isnt working (which is the court issue) but the website is via the ip address is a small detail to 'still up' the internet crashes and google is 'still up' just only locally to people on the console i guess by this definition.
    • ORBAT, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3You're not making any damn sense. "to people on the console"? What the hell are you talking about?
  • fuzzynyanko, on 02/20/2008, -0/+10Looks like a job for the EFF
  • jaisin, on 02/20/2008, -1/+3http://88.80.13.160/wiki/Wikileaks
  • Remmy, on 02/20/2008, -1/+3wget --mirror https://wikileaks.be/wiki/ --no-check-certificate
  • ZaNkY, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8You can grab the page via ip address (since it's only the DNS that was taken down): http://88.80.13.160/

    OR

    Alternate domain: http://sunshinepress.org

    Both work and lead to the same site.

    Enjoy :)
  • Samurai77, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3Just in case, here is a link to all of the cover names you can use for wikileaks if for some reason you don't like IP addresses:
    https://wikileaks.be/wiki/Cover_Names

  • PatrickStankard, on 02/20/2008, -0/+9http://88.80.13.160
    http://www.wikileaks.be
    http://www.wikileaks.de
    http://www.wikileaks.cx

    The internet is serious business.
  • tossayo, on 02/20/2008, -0/+23What happens on the Internets stays on the Internets...
    ...FOREVER!
  • noseeme, on 02/20/2008, -5/+3Someone cache it!!!
  • PhillyMJS, on 02/20/2008, -1/+8"unflattering and apparently internal documents from the Swiss banker Julius Baer"

    I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.
    • bryik, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?
  • ZWarren69, on 02/20/2008, -2/+1hell yea
  • Truzseeker, on 02/20/2008, -2/+4Its an infowar ... slam the corrupt, and disregard the frivolous judge sitting in contempt of the First Amendment. The founding fathers must be barfing by now.
  • Truzseeker, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2The First Amendment means what it says and says what it means, STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA v. U S, 199 U.S. 437 (1905).
  • EricDrawback, on 02/20/2008, -1/+3Freedom is irrelevent without transparency in government.
    • Kurlumbenus, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2Freedom is irrelevent with government.
  • the0ther, on 02/20/2008, -4/+3would someone please visit that law office in LA, where the bank's lawyer is at, and STAB HIM? please?
  • InfodivaMLIS, on 02/20/2008, -2/+5SNS The Power of Web3.0 The Semantic Web!! Like Pirate Radio. Take over the Internet.
    • kipmartin, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2why would i want YOU to 'take over the internet'? its already ours, and government lost control of it years ago. its fine the way it is.
  • dupswapdrop, on 02/20/2008, -1/+5Ok noon tomorrow protest at the lawyers office! And wear your geek outfit!
  • carrtoonist, on 02/20/2008, -1/+4Like trying to get pee out of a swimming pool.
  • baldgye, on 02/20/2008, -7/+1wikipeida can never die! my degree depends on it!
  • bbqsalad, on 02/20/2008, -1/+4Funny how until they stated they owned the doc's nobody had real proof it was authentic. They just screwed them selfs in that sense and as a bonus they just made the digg community and many many others aware of the situation.
  • VSLOATHE, on 02/20/2008, -2/+4Swiss bank secrecy is an important thing. Swiss bankers are forbidden by Swiss law from revealing any information whatsoever about who has accounts there, which is a good thing. The PATRIOT act and others like it are trying to force Swiss banks to reveal information that they should not have to, I would think Digg would be against that. Sort of ironic I suppose. This article is framed a certain way to make you sympathize with the site wikileaks, but we don't want to set a bad precedent here. I have accounts in Swiss banks and I don't want any government to be able to pry into my personal details on its whim.
    • Kisama, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6While I agree with your statement, we must look and see this isn't about prying. This is about information that has already leaked and someone is trying to suppress it. That's a scary precedent too.
      • silveravnt, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2Personal and corporate private info falls into the nunya category.

        It was previously reported on dig that the Clintons have millions in the Caymans hiding from the IRS. So some of the most powerful people in the US have a reason to suppress this information. Not sure what side i'm on. Just think of how you would feel if your docs surfaced on wikileaks.
        • MiDri, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1I'd know to keep my mouth shut and trust different people then.
    • 4rp4n3t, on 02/20/2008, -0/+0Lend us a tenner mate!
  • mnemy, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5Another case of old crusty judges w/ no understanding of technology making uninformed decisions. Block the whole site? For a handful of documents? Durrrr
    • 4rp4n3t, on 02/20/2008, -1/+0By TFA the crusty judge just did what the crusty lawyer asked him to...
  • anonymous342008, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4034919/WikileakS.org_ ...
    http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4035274/WikiLeaks.Org_ ...
  • NikoKun, on 02/20/2008, -0/+3Someone needs to create a free anonymous distributed website hosting method, just to make it near impossible to censor and shutdown this kind of thing!
    • halleyscomet, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2It's called Freenet. It's been around for YEARS.
  • twiztidsinz, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2This is INACCURATE!

    http://wikileaks.org/ -IS- down. That is the only domain that was to be taken down according to the court order.
    The court order had NOTHING to do with the other domains http://wikileaks.org.uk/, http://www.wikileaks.be, http://www.wikileaks.de, http://www.wikileaks.cx, etc. or the website itself
  • n8f8, on 02/20/2008, -6/+2Your freedom and liberty stops at the point where is harms another.
    • Kurlumbenus, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5Your freedom and liberty stop at the point where you can no longer defend them.
      • Kurlumbenus, on 02/20/2008, -1/+2And if you can't defend them - intellectually, logically, legally, or militarilly - you don't deserve them.
    • halleyscomet, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1That depends on how you define "Harm." In this case, the "Harm" is a bank being revealed as willingly aiding tax evasion. You'll have a hard time arguing we should restrict the liberties of one group of people so another group can continue acting in a manner that breaks the law.
  • Evolutuon, on 02/20/2008, -0/+2The government was just waiting for a scapegoat to take it down.
  • perfectlyfrank, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1"Wikileaks says that it has several lawyers in San Francisco willing to work pro bono on the case."
    Kind of makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.
  • maeon3, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1This is exactly the kind of story bloggers and Net-centric journalists crave. Big nasty corporation stomps all over plucky public-serving underdog.
  • reconflux, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1I didn't know KFed could read...
  • headphonz, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1Government censorship at its finest. I guess the judge FORGOT that there are whistleblower protection laws in this country and private documents which indicate the possibility of a crime are NOT copywritable material.

    It's not too much of a stretch to see the administration try and shut down DIGG for same reason. And what's up with Dynadot??? What a bunch of wusses! By bowing to the judge's order, they just SET PRECEDENT! The judge had no authority to tell Dynadot what to do since they broke no crimes.
  • wuxia, on 02/21/2008, -0/+1Extensive list of Wikileak sites:
    http://wikileaks.cx/wiki/Wikileaks:Cover_Names
  • JulyZerg, on 02/21/2008, -0/+0Man, if this gets shut down... We cannot let them censor the internet!
  • craftycorner, on 02/22/2008, -0/+1Put out a YouTube video! Then submit it around the web.
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