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- m8ymerc1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+47I'm not quite sure but I think about a year or maybe 2 years ago this happened to a woman in UK. I believe she sued and won on the human rights issue and that is why the pictures are not being shown.
Next up the criminals will sue because the cops are looking for them and somehow that will be against there human rights because now they are being hunted. Some ridiculous excuse. Common sense out the door. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36Politically unbiased (stating the facts as they are) = good
Politically correct (altering the facts to appease) = bad
Also, whatever happened to common sense?
If you break into my house while I'm on vacation and barely survive because you locked yourself in the garage, tough *****! - DeFex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32Thats ok though because with all the cameras and spying on the people by the government soon everyone will be a criminal and have rights again!
- nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -5/+36This is retarded. This is like the rapist who sued a woman he raped for sexual harassment because she made a comment about his penis.
These guys are murders. Thank god SOMEONE had the balls to "violate" their rights and publish their photos. - matts0344, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30Of course they use mph, its the UK!
- jcrewyayo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27"police chief who jailed a 62 year old for driving 38mph in a 30mph zone" -british crime is hilarious
- CodeAlchemist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22@thcobbs
"The metric system is a tool of the devil. My car gets thirty rods to the hog's head and that's the way I likes it." - FearlessFreep, on 10/12/2007, -15/+36"Welcome to the neolib P.C. world of the United States:"
Dugg down because you didn't even RTF Title - gundammman2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17That is not a case of political correctness gone awry but pure ***** stupidity. These men have a debt to pay to the society in which they were convicted. Giving photographs of them out to news media and the general public is not a violation of their human rights becuase they belong in JAIL. Moreover, it is a violation of the human rights of all those who might possibly be in the path of these guys because citizens have the RIGHT to know what they look like.
- StevoCJ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Yes, we still use mph. It's the rest of Europe that's changed.
- jackcu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15It's not about UK justice at all - the police involved made a mistake and another police force duly issued the photographs the next day (a month ago BTW). The story should be about the fact that the police seem to have a problem understanding certain aspects of...........the law.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Miles are part of the English Standard Units ('Imperial', after the Empire) . We're still fighting the damn EU to keep our measurements. They are trying to make us change to metric.
- mangaskahn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14The headline sounds like a bad Soviet Russia joke.
- Godlesswanderer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Nope, we use mph. We've never used kph.
- Easty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Every time I hear someone call for the end of 'political correctness', it makes me ***** cringe.
It's the tabloids' eternal buzzword to point fingers at whenever something stupid happens.
I guarantee you that pretty much wherever in the political spectrum you are, you'll think this is insane.
There's a difference between 'political correctness' - being white and middle class, but saying 'Happy holidays' because you're afraid of looking racist to other members of the white middle class (not the muslims/jews/hindus who most likely don't give a crap), and 'being polite' - ie. not telling the PAKI TOWELHEAD WOGS TO ***** OFF WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
It's sort of ironic that those who rail against political correctness, a notion that we should try not to offend other people, generally want Jerry Springer The Opera taken off stage because it offends them.
/rant over - fleischner, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15@ Scatchula
That's fascinating... how you manage to type without the presence of any brain. - Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@stevocj
Or as a cockney friend of mine onces said, "***** no, I'm not European, I'm English!" - gundammman2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Yeah, conservatives are the only cause of ignorance, sure.
- Pigeon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The UK has 60 gun deaths a year? There have been about 9 in London just over the last week.
- Zoids, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"Remember, we all live in a global village and that together WE'RE all RESPONSIBLE for any criminal acts committed by our fellow man."
So that means that I'm responsible (at least in part) for every crime ever committed? - mcsloy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9mph all the way baby none of that euro trash kph...
- PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"The two fugitives are among 660 inmates who have gone missing from Sudbury in the last ten years, including 13 in the past two months."
Does anyone else think 660 escapees in 10 years and 13 in the last two months is a bit excessive? I worked at a jail as a guard for 3.5 years while I was in the military, we didn't have a single escapee during that time. I think the fact that so many escapes are happening should be just as large an issue as not letting the public know murdering psychopaths are on the loose. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6What about the ex-human beings that the murderers murdered? Cry for them, *****.
- boneill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This has nothing to do with human rights ..
- GeneralAntilles, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13@FearlessFreep
You didn't get the point of the post. He's welcoming our brethren in the UK to the system of political correctness over here.
Moron. - Pigeon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Woo, another reason to leave in 2.5 years.
The justice system in this country is completely failing the average decent citizen. Some gems I've read about over the years:
1) A 92yo women who lived alone put barbed wire along her walls a couple of years ago, but she was told it is illegal and that "criminals may injure themselves climbing over" and had to take it down. She was told she would be charged if criminals did injure themselves.
2) A guy being constantly taunted by chavs ("We'll burn down your house with your wife and baby in it" etc.) had had enough. He always called police but they would do nothing. He grabbed one of the ***** one day and made a citizens arrest, he made the kid apologise, explained to him what he was doing wrong, then let him go. What happened? The guy was charged with kidnapping and assault and got prison time himself.
3) The prison service recently paid out £££ to prisoners who 'were forced to not take illegal drugs while in prison'. They had to go cold turkey and because of this "their rights were violated" and they "deserved compensation". So my taxes pay a criminal because he/she couldn't take their favourite drug while in prison.
What happened to my rights as a law abiding, tax paying, decent citizen? Shouldn't I have the right to make a citizens arrest? Shouldn't I have the right to walk down my road without retards (chavs) being freely able to verbally and physically abuse me while knowing they won't get punished?
I've had this stupidity happen to me. I was punched in the face with no warning just before I entered an exam hall which broke my nose. The chav did it because "I was a grunger". That was his only ***** reason, I didn't even know him. I then had to take my exams in that state, which as you probably gussed, I failed. Its hard to concentrate on complex mathematics when your bleeding non stop and were nearly knocked unconscious. It turned out the chav was also a boxer.
I reported this to the police, then I had to go in and answer questions. They questioned me like I was the criminal! They told me that the boy had said I threw my coat on the floor then lunged at him with the first punch. They believed him because he had got his ~10 stupid chav friends to all say the same thing. Half of them wern't even there! I didn't even have a coat that day, I went to school in just a white shirt. The police dropped the charges and told me to not incite violence?!
I don't have any faith in the UK's police/government because they are out of touch with society and ran by morons who have no idea what they are doing. - manicleek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Since the UK use MPH instead of KPH maybe?
- naich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Mr Coleman was left humiliated when Greater Manchester Police released the photos of the two wanted men together with an appeal for information, making a mockery of Derbyshire's claims that publishing the pictures would breach guidelines set by the Association of Chief Police Officers."
It's not a violation of their human rights, it's the police not knowing that it's not a violation of their human rights. This isn't "the madness of political correctness", it's just good old-fashioned stupidity. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I left the UK 12 years ago now. I'll never go back,the country has gone to the dogs.
Muslims everywhere walking round in full veils (It's the damn UK for ***** sake !)
Speed camera's and CCTV EVERYWHERE, you can't take a dump without being on hundreds of cameras
The UK has turned into a nanny state, they get ripped off on the price of everything and yet they do absolutely ***** all about it.
Good riddance Britain, I'm glad I moved to Sunny California. - ubuwalker31, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4In a liberal democracy, everyone has certain basic unalienable (human) rights. One of these rights is a right to privacy and a right to be left alone by the government. These rights are usually taken away when you are convicted after a trial and sent to jail for a crime. Anyone with a basic understanding of UK law, or heck, any law whatsoever, knows that it is extremely serious when a convicted murderer escapes a jail, albeit a very low security jail with an open door policy. Publishing the photo doesn't violate their rights, anymore than requiring them to stay in jail during the day.
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Technically, the US Switched to the metric system a few decades ago. See how that turned out for us!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What are you on?
- Pootle4rthur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6It is a typical Evening Standard piece, big on the emotional adjectives and outrage and weak on proper facts
All those who actually have a knowledge of the policy or an interest in the topic ie. the Lord Chancellor say that there's no human rights reason for it, and the policeman at the very end of the piece denies there's a human rights dimension to them not releasing mug shots of the absconders, but cites policing reasons for their behaviour.
In short the whole piece starts off with an erroneous premise which it then fails to prove, which is pretty much the slack journalism one should expect from the Evening Standard, which is a paper so rubbish that they're having to give away cut down copies filled with adverts to keep it afloat - mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3lol, can i have 473 millilitres of beer. pint is used as more of a name than a measurement and wine is measures in centilitres, what about sugar? there weights are in 500g or 1kg bags, and the modern tonne is metric. and no sailors use fathoms and leagues any more they use metres. and the last time i bought a packet of golden virginia they came in 10, 25 and 40 gramme bags. Imperial height is used only for measuring people, in the most part. on the whole, yes there are still people using imperial, but not the younger generation. metric is a superior system, especially if you are involved in sciences where standard form is easily interchangeable with SI prefixes.
I'll give you land area though, that is almost always still measures in acres and hectares - Pootle4rthur, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4you don't know what you're talking about, do you
Firstly the UK isn't all that liberal these days, we're slowly, blindly walking towards a polite police state. Secondly the reason they've not released mug shots clearly has nothing to do with human rights, as all the knowledgeable and relevant people at the very end of the article state.
Sadly that requires the reader to get past the reactionary nonsense that makes up the majority of the piece - ontain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If they are convicted criminals and on the run, how is releasing the photos a violation of human rights?
aren't they a matter of public record since they had a trail and due process? - zedstream, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@egroeggnik "From my perspective, it's the conservatives of the US (and maybe other countries as well) that believe in personal responsibility"
Unless, of course, you're a member of the administration. - fLUx1337, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Jipsys (aka "Travelers") have more rights in the UK than anyone.....
They can come and park nearly anywhere they want, as long as its not your private property.....
lol - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Both are still on the run, but the Derbyshire force said there was 'no proper policing purpose' in releasing pictures and claimed the men posed no risk to Derbyshire residents because they were thought to have left the county."
As somebody who lives in Notts, the county next door, this is slightly worrying. - PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@Zoids
In a pure socialism, yes. - thomas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Who would have thought that putting two murders that are both serving life sentences in an "open prison" would be a bad idea. :P
- Misesean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ha; reminds me of something I read maybe a year or so ago about some guy getting pulled over and refusing to give his name; so he was arrested for remaining silent, and told "you have the right to remain silent"!
- zedstream, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is indeed madness but in no way correct, politically or otherwise.
- spartan777, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4sounds like the ACLU has had their way with the british justice system. American Criminal Liberties Union, protecting criminals' rights.
- dralezero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yea, funny how their fear doing harm to the escapees' rights when they have cameras and loudspeakers everywhere. Oxymoron? Hypocritical?
- Veritate, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Lots of diggers seem woefully inept or misinformed about the law.
@dfick,
It's a crime to escape prison, and the original punishment would not have been completed.
@mrfoos,
This isn't the neolib world of the US, it's the neolib world of the UK. But besides that, none of what you say is both legally relevant and accurate, except possibly the animals needing union reps (which would be awfully silly, but not particularly harmful). - scottelloco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The second you guys allowed them to install Government surveillance cameras all over the city the Government knew that they could walk all over you. The same thing is happening in Chicago.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2in theory, an open prison is for 'non-dangerous' criminals, ie white-collar crimes, libel, etc. and model prisoners coming to the end of their sentence, which appears to be the case in this article.
It should be noted that there has been a lot of prisoners escaping from these prisons recently.
Well, when I say 'escaping', I mean 'walking out the front door', or 'not bothering to return after a weekend at home'.
Most prisoners in these places live better lives than me (free bed and board, no need to work, conjugal visits, etc) - gsiliceo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2common sense is not the same for everybody, you cant do justice based on a subjective value. As the saying goes, common sense is the least common of senses.
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