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In the UK, only the criminals have rights

thisislondon.co.uk — Two murders escaped from prison last week. However the police chief refused to release photos of the escapees. Why? Because it might violate their human rights. This is the same police chief who jailed a 62 year old for driving 38mph in a 30mph zone. Where will the madness of political correctness end? We need a return to common sense.

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  • m8ymerc1, on 10/12/2007, -5/+47I'm not quite sure but I think about a year or maybe 2 years ago this happened to a woman in UK. I believe she sued and won on the human rights issue and that is why the pictures are not being shown.

    Next up the criminals will sue because the cops are looking for them and somehow that will be against there human rights because now they are being hunted. Some ridiculous excuse. Common sense out the door.
    • Pix869, on 10/12/2007, -27/+5It's EVERYONE'S human right to get away with a crime.

      Duh.
    • nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -5/+36This is retarded. This is like the rapist who sued a woman he raped for sexual harassment because she made a comment about his penis.

      These guys are murders. Thank god SOMEONE had the balls to "violate" their rights and publish their photos.
    • mrfoos, on 10/12/2007, -57/+22Welcome to the neolib P.C. world of the United States:

      * Cop killers have more rights that someone who shot their own dog.
      * Animals must have union representation to be filmed.
      * People who earn their own money are scorned.
      * People have more respect for the conviction of baby-killing terrorists than GW's for fighting them.
      * Religion is a bad word.
      * A 14 year old girl can get an abortion without her parents knowing but can't take a school trip to the zoo without it.
      * You can't call an illegal immigrant illegal because it's "too insensitive".

    • FearlessFreep, on 10/12/2007, -15/+36"Welcome to the neolib P.C. world of the United States:"

      Dugg down because you didn't even RTF Title
    • Veritate, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Lots of diggers seem woefully inept or misinformed about the law.

      @dfick,

      It's a crime to escape prison, and the original punishment would not have been completed.

      @mrfoos,
      This isn't the neolib world of the US, it's the neolib world of the UK. But besides that, none of what you say is both legally relevant and accurate, except possibly the animals needing union reps (which would be awfully silly, but not particularly harmful).
    • Krymore, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6A lot of those are good points, but the good points are lost in the sea of political *****. Neolib? Yea, ok, lets just say "I know you are but what am I!" while you're at it. I also don't know a single liberal, democrat, whatever you want to call them, that supports terrorists. What they don't support is the murder and torture without trial of COMPLETELY UNINVOLVED CIVILIANS. Yes, there are terrorists and Bush does not care about them. Hell, Bush put the Iraqi insurgents in the Iraqi government just as an excuse to keep us there. The so called Patriot Act is a violation of everything the constitution stands for. If we suddenly found Bin Laden, what would be his excuse to stay in Iraq or start his new war with Iran? He's a lying war profiteer and he's a disgrace to all the brave men and women of America who died in this pointless war for personal gain.
    • R313453, on 10/12/2007, -19/+15Why do people STILL put their own opinions in the topic title? It just doesnt make sense...

      And yes even criminals have HUMAN rights because they're still HUMAN. Is it that confusing? Do you really think it would would be better if criminals were stripped of their rights once found guilty of a crime? Whatever happened to liberty? Over here in the UK we don't disregard rights as swiftly as you Americans might.
    • GeneralAntilles, on 10/12/2007, -8/+13@FearlessFreep

      You didn't get the point of the post. He's welcoming our brethren in the UK to the system of political correctness over here.

      Moron.
    • mrfoos, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3Thanks GeneralAntilles.

      Yes, welcome my brothers! Strange and unnatural behaviors await you in your new world.
    • Ennoch, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6Must... resist... mocking... stupid *****... Americans...

      Oops. Sorry.
    • alteratti, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Human rights for crimes is like medicines for an illness.

      Believe me, it all goes downhill from here.
    • OwdenBowden, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3This is why I will bring back the comments made in the UK Gun Ban submission that if the subjects in the UK were allowed to carry a gun there would be no need for pictures nor "Human Rights" for animals the likes of which are in prison. Yet, feel free to keep living in fear and banking on others to take care of you.

      http://digg.com/world_news/Banning_Guns_Does_Not_Work_Sharp_Rise_in_UK_Gun_Crime_Despite_Gun_Ban_h
    • plingboot, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4@owdenbowden
      you're honestly suggesting not only that the gun ban be lifted but the entire population be armed as this will result in a safer place to live??

      Wake up. Vigilantism isn't acceptable in a civilised society.

      I can only think of one other country that has something like what you're suggesting, they have like 30,000 gun related deaths a year apparently. The UK has 60.
    • naich, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Mr Coleman was left humiliated when Greater Manchester Police released the photos of the two wanted men together with an appeal for information, making a mockery of Derbyshire's claims that publishing the pictures would breach guidelines set by the Association of Chief Police Officers."

      It's not a violation of their human rights, it's the police not knowing that it's not a violation of their human rights. This isn't "the madness of political correctness", it's just good old-fashioned stupidity.
    • Pigeon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The UK has 60 gun deaths a year? There have been about 9 in London just over the last week.
    • foxymcfox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Just issue the police chief an ASBO...that should fix the problem, or at the very least add a much more amusing layer to it.
    • Thuktun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@mickstephenson "everyone drove on the left, which was derived from right handed jousting"

      You're parroting urban legends without thought.

      Knights typically hold the lance with their right arm and their shield with the left. Jousting knights typically pass on the *right* with the lance held across the body toward the opponent's shield. Doing it the other way, it is *very* awkward to hold your shield in an appropriate position to protect one's self.
    • Cleanlyness, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Only in the uk.
  • jcrewyayo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27"police chief who jailed a 62 year old for driving 38mph in a 30mph zone" -british crime is hilarious
    • nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -26/+7do they really use "mph" and not "kph"
    • Beakerz, on 10/12/2007, -23/+3I thought that they used kilometers per hour...not miles per hour...

      That would mean that she was going 61.155072 kph in a 48.28032 kph zone. (used Google for conversion) thats odd.

      crap Nixonrichard beat me :(
    • matts0344, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30Of course they use mph, its the UK!
    • StevoCJ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Yes, we still use mph. It's the rest of Europe that's changed.
    • thelimopit, on 10/12/2007, -19/+4I wonder which side of the road those crazy limeys drive on...probably the middle or upside down or some *****. Dude.
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Miles are part of the English Standard Units ('Imperial', after the Empire) . We're still fighting the damn EU to keep our measurements. They are trying to make us change to metric.
    • Godlesswanderer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Nope, we use mph. We've never used kph.
    • StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3The worst they have there is dive by...arguments.

      /i'll pretend it's obscure.
    • Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@stevocj

      Or as a cockney friend of mine onces said, "***** no, I'm not European, I'm English!"
    • thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Technically, the US Switched to the metric system a few decades ago. See how that turned out for us!
    • CodeAlchemist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22@thcobbs

      "The metric system is a tool of the devil. My car gets thirty rods to the hog's head and that's the way I likes it."
    • Pootle4rthur, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Eventually we will get around to changing to the far more sensible metric system, but only when the 'popular press' stops being run by jingoistic right wingers who are deeply scared about the prospect of a social democratic Europe clipping their pro-big business wings
      The fact that a simple choice between differing weights and measures ends up being a political issue shows how daft current debate on the topic is
    • mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3@cartoonal, You all have it wrong, its only large distances that imperial is still used for everything else in the UK is metric. ie miles are used instead of kilometres, but miles are used as the base unit so none of the imperial jibberish numbers are used. and as for 'limeys' driving on the left hand side of the road, there was a time when everyone drove on the left, which was derived from right handed jousting, typical Americans chose to change merely to spite the British, and typical Europe followed suit. what self respecting country would change because other countries changed to spite them?
      i know America wouldn't
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3sorry, but we do still use Imperial for most things. We have been forced to ALSO use metric for a lot, but you will find most items still sold/measured in Imperial ie:

      milk in pints/gallons
      booze in pints/firkins/hogsheads
      height in feet/inches/yards
      land area in acres
      depth in fathoms/leagues
      weight in pounds/ounces/tons (not American tonnes)
      tobacco in ounces
      etc

      As stated before, even though we have been forced by EU law to adopt the metric system in most cases, we still use the Imperial as the main measurement system in tandem with the required metric.
    • mickstephenson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3lol, can i have 473 millilitres of beer. pint is used as more of a name than a measurement and wine is measures in centilitres, what about sugar? there weights are in 500g or 1kg bags, and the modern tonne is metric. and no sailors use fathoms and leagues any more they use metres. and the last time i bought a packet of golden virginia they came in 10, 25 and 40 gramme bags. Imperial height is used only for measuring people, in the most part. on the whole, yes there are still people using imperial, but not the younger generation. metric is a superior system, especially if you are involved in sciences where standard form is easily interchangeable with SI prefixes.
      I'll give you land area though, that is almost always still measures in acres and hectares
    • subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Every bottle and can sold in the US comes in "standard" and metric. This can of tomatoes says 14.5 ounces (411 grams). Isn't that fascinating?

      WTF does this have to do with judicial stupidity?
    • colinm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1UK pints are larger than US pints:

      1 Imperial pint = 568.261485 ml [ http://www.google.com/search?q=1+uk+pint+to+ml ]
      1 US pint = 473.176475 ml [ http://www.google.com/search?q=1+us+pint+to+ml ]
    • kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@cartoonal:

      We already went metric decades ago. I'm 20, and I've got no idea how much a pound, gallon or yard actually is. I think in kilograms, litres and metres. There are exceptions, such as travel distance, height measurements and football.

      Children today aren't taught imperial units. Why? Because they're inferior to the infinitely more logical metric system.
  • foobar5892, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36Politically unbiased (stating the facts as they are) = good
    Politically correct (altering the facts to appease) = bad

    Also, whatever happened to common sense?

    If you break into my house while I'm on vacation and barely survive because you locked yourself in the garage, tough *****!
    • gsiliceo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2common sense is not the same for everybody, you cant do justice based on a subjective value. As the saying goes, common sense is the least common of senses.
  • DeFex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+32Thats ok though because with all the cameras and spying on the people by the government soon everyone will be a criminal and have rights again!
    • dralezero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yea, funny how their fear doing harm to the escapees' rights when they have cameras and loudspeakers everywhere. Oxymoron? Hypocritical?
    • Misesean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ha; reminds me of something I read maybe a year or so ago about some guy getting pulled over and refusing to give his name; so he was arrested for remaining silent, and told "you have the right to remain silent"!
  • Pix869, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5It's not common sense if it's not common.

    That's ok, we can wait for all the Political correctness cultist lapdogs to die, and then we will emerge victorious.
  • sorrowharvester, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7I hate it when murders escape. I prefer them to stay right where they are... in Detroit.
    • captainbluebear, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Detroit, UK?
      Perhaps reading the article (or even the title) might help.
  • Scratchula, on 10/12/2007, -32/+6when every last conservative is dead, common sense will once again be common.
    • iceblademan, on 10/12/2007, -7/+7Wow, Scatchula, that totally wasn't the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.
      /sarcasm
    • gundammman2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Yeah, conservatives are the only cause of ignorance, sure.
    • fleischner, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15@ Scatchula

      That's fascinating... how you manage to type without the presence of any brain.
    • Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Err....."liberals" are the reason this happened.

      Nevermind....just let this troll play in his own world.
    • egroeggnik, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4When every last liberal is dead, common sense will once again be common.

      From my perspective, it's the conservatives of the US (and maybe other countries as well) that believe in personal responsibility, not the liberals.
    • Beakerz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Wow, that was more ignorant than my comment up top about the UK using kph not mph - which i found out was wrong :D
    • zedstream, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@egroeggnik "From my perspective, it's the conservatives of the US (and maybe other countries as well) that believe in personal responsibility"
      Unless, of course, you're a member of the administration.
    • foobermensch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@Scratula
      "when every last conservative is dead, common sense will once again be common"

      Moron.

      Who do you think fought and died to give you the friggin' liberty you now abuse? It was a CONSERVATIVE.
      Who do you think hunted the game that fed your grandmothers so that you could be born? It was a CONSERVATIVE.
      Who do you think still stands as the last best hope for civilization? It is CONSERVATIVES.

      You are a friggin' MORON.
  • gundammman2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17That is not a case of political correctness gone awry but pure ***** stupidity. These men have a debt to pay to the society in which they were convicted. Giving photographs of them out to news media and the general public is not a violation of their human rights becuase they belong in JAIL. Moreover, it is a violation of the human rights of all those who might possibly be in the path of these guys because citizens have the RIGHT to know what they look like.
    • zedstream, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is indeed madness but in no way correct, politically or otherwise.
    • ciotog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I only realised how far down a road we have gone of our rights as citizens being taken away when I went home (to Ireland from Asia) last Christmas (apologies for the horrible grammar, I'm mixing outrage with whiskey). I flew through Amsterdam and enjoyed the 'protection from terrorists' of throwing my duty free (from Singapore) in a bin because it was a dangerous liquid and I'm obviously a terrorist in the making (I declared the duty free to security officials in advance of the flight security checks). I joined the queue of other cowed passengers who threw their bottles of mineral water (bought/acquired in the airport) into bins because there's a 100ml limit on liquids. I packed my gels and creams into the jiffy bag that was helpfully provided so it could be x-rayed separately. Ignoring that I have more experience in x-ray imaging than any of the staff present I unpacked from ym fight case as ordered so that 'my luggage could be properly x-rayed'. I apologised as I tried to get through the wall of security staff who were just standing about. That is, after everything had been checked. They were full of the arrogance of people who could deny my boarding if I hinted at unhappiness. Alas, I fly a lot for the work I do so I can't afford being 'damned' by these 'arbitrators'.

      This is a voting issue that can be used, instead of following typical or expected party lines (I'm European so I'll substitute party lines for the standard Democrat/Republican stuff that seems to be the mainstay of US politics - I know I'm ignoring other groups but let's look at the large picture) it might be worth raising our rights as citizens (loyal, patriotic or whatever) with intending elected representatives.
  • mangaskahn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14The headline sounds like a bad Soviet Russia joke.
  • Ricemanstm, on 10/12/2007, -11/+11Okay everyone, watch closely. This is the Socio-governemental model that the American Left wants us to emulate. Eliminate the justice system and just replace it with a legal system of restorative justice. Remember, we all live in a global village and that together WE'RE all RESPONSIBLE for any criminal acts committed by our fellow man. Ergo we must all band together, talk with this man, find out what made him turn to crime and then punish those responsible for ruining his life. It wasn't his fault.

    Uh-huh...and it takes a village to make a village idiot.
    • gundammman2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2That is such ***** and the American left as a whole wants to see swift justice for those who deserve it. Those who subscribe to a "restotative justice" system are just full of *****.
    • Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Digg him up.....he right about *leftists* in the general sense.

      @ gundammman2
      Dont conflate "liberal" and "left". Stalin was a conservative.
    • Zoids, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10"Remember, we all live in a global village and that together WE'RE all RESPONSIBLE for any criminal acts committed by our fellow man."

      So that means that I'm responsible (at least in part) for every crime ever committed?
    • Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3@ Zoids

      He's paraphrasing an argument he hates. But I like your reaction - that's a conservative response.
    • sid0, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4No, actually that's what the leftists want you to believe.

      Edit: Prysorra beat me to it.
    • PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7@Zoids

      In a pure socialism, yes.
    • RawShark, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3@Zoids:

      If you are white and the crime is slavery of hundreds of years ago, than yes, you are fully at fault.
    • jdun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@RawShark

      ***** moron. If you knew anything about history you will understand that slavery existed in ancient times. You also would know that Black own slaves as well as almost every race.

      Keep in mind it was the Republican Party that free the slaves and not the Democrats. Slavery today is known as socialism.
  • jackcu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15It's not about UK justice at all - the police involved made a mistake and another police force duly issued the photographs the next day (a month ago BTW). The story should be about the fact that the police seem to have a problem understanding certain aspects of...........the law.
    • Blisshead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1and how to be police... eg. ways to catch bad guys.
  • Scrib, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2So many dupes lately.

    The site even tells you it's a dupe! And people like you still submit away.

    burried.
  • fluidfoundation, on 10/12/2007, -23/+1@ the description of the digg...

    Since when do they have MPH zones in the UK? Shouldnt it be KPH?
    • mcsloy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9mph all the way baby none of that euro trash kph...

    • defunct123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@fluidfoundation - The UK has always been and still is MPH
    • manicleek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Since the UK use MPH instead of KPH maybe?
  • mcsloy, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9The only people with more rights than criminals in the UK are the Immigrants .

    Or I could put it another way the immigrant criminals have the most rights of all, probably why they are seem to come here.
  • Easty, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Every time I hear someone call for the end of 'political correctness', it makes me ***** cringe.
    It's the tabloids' eternal buzzword to point fingers at whenever something stupid happens.
    I guarantee you that pretty much wherever in the political spectrum you are, you'll think this is insane.

    There's a difference between 'political correctness' - being white and middle class, but saying 'Happy holidays' because you're afraid of looking racist to other members of the white middle class (not the muslims/jews/hindus who most likely don't give a crap), and 'being polite' - ie. not telling the PAKI TOWELHEAD WOGS TO ***** OFF WHERE THEY CAME FROM.

    It's sort of ironic that those who rail against political correctness, a notion that we should try not to offend other people, generally want Jerry Springer The Opera taken off stage because it offends them.
    /rant over
  • boneill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This has nothing to do with human rights ..
  • Troopy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Lol, in the comments I think we have a 1337 speaker...

    "You just cant believe this country, not releasing photos of two escaped killers, who are on teh run and could kill anytime because they will, you just cant make it up, this country is going down the pan!!!"

    - Dave, Tufnell Park
    • ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Or maybe it was a typo and not a life choice.
  • halophoenix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4someone call the wahmbulance for the OP. I wonder if even he read the actual article. WAHHHPOLITICALCORRECTNESSWAHH.
  • oilcan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4if i decide to become a murdering bastard, I know where I'm moving...Derbyshire, baby. Derbyshire.
  • ontain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If they are convicted criminals and on the run, how is releasing the photos a violation of human rights?
    aren't they a matter of public record since they had a trail and due process?
  • atb12688, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2PC is getting worse and worse worldwide. Joe Biden calls Obama articulate and its racism... Craziness...
    • Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Calling Obama articulate, as if it were something special, means most *other* blacks aren't.

      Sadly, the predominant form of Ebonic communication does nothing to fight this stereotype....
    • erikf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Punish people for speaking the truth?
    • FearlessFreep, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"Calling Obama articulate, as if it were something special, means most *other* blacks aren't."

      I read Biden's comments as if he was complimenting on him on his abilities at his age than anything about his race
    • zedstream, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"Joe Biden calls Obama articulate and its racism... Craziness..."

      The problem was Biden suggested he was the first articulate black candiate, and then even mentioned how clean he is. I think Biden meant to be complimentary. But, he misspoke and came off sounding like a dunce.
  • TDot1980, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This is impressive. Two murders escaped. One would think that being uh... DEAD might prevent escape pretty well. I wonder what the murderERs were doing while the murders were in prison, too?
  • mad5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Both are still on the run, but the Derbyshire force said there was 'no proper policing purpose' in releasing pictures and claimed the men posed no risk to Derbyshire residents because they were thought to have left the county."

    As somebody who lives in Notts, the county next door, this is slightly worrying.
  • sritzhaupt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3This is where we are headed if the liberal/socialist ideologues gain more control of this country.
    • Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Not all liberals are Orwellian leftists ;)
  • kag9000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Common sense is basically what those in power say is right, as is the test of 'reasonableness'. Fortunately the former has no basis in law, unfortunately the latter does. There is no real thing as common sense, people who constantly refer to it should instead start thinking for themselves and stop using that phrase as a be-all-and-end-all to debate and rationale.

    Further, Police Chiefs as far as I am aware, are not allowed to jail people, the courts do, unless of course you are arrested under the Terrorism Act.
  • PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6"The two fugitives are among 660 inmates who have gone missing from Sudbury in the last ten years, including 13 in the past two months."

    Does anyone else think 660 escapees in 10 years and 13 in the last two months is a bit excessive? I worked at a jail as a guard for 3.5 years while I was in the military, we didn't have a single escapee during that time. I think the fact that so many escapes are happening should be just as large an issue as not letting the public know murdering psychopaths are on the loose.
    • thomas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Who would have thought that putting two murders that are both serving life sentences in an "open prison" would be a bad idea. :P

    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@pleasejustdie

      Exactly. I suspect the real reason the photos were not released is because they were scared and embarrassed that more prisoners had escaped...
  • Druidictus, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1Do a web search about the Jewish Talmud, Goyim (Non-Jews being cattle), and Freemasonry. Here is the problem of why the UK is being attacked racial, morally, and systematically. It's all about a One World Government were there is only two races, Jewish and the mud-cattle called Goyim.
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What are you on?
    • knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1according to my interpretation of the crossword puzzle encryption of forecasting contained within my torah,

      he's, uh... been smoking reefer. he only inhaled a little, though, and all it did was make him tired.
    • Druidictus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2do your home work.
    • dezmo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2woah! i did my homework and it turns out he's completely right!
  • dizzyedge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Looks like liberals are screwing up the U.K. also with their P.C. bullcrap.
    • knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3liberal? please. that is nonsense.

      anyway, can't you come up with a good theory of conspiracy?

      like the government ordered their 'escape' and they've gone to work for a secret agency or something?
    • Pootle4rthur, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4you don't know what you're talking about, do you
      Firstly the UK isn't all that liberal these days, we're slowly, blindly walking towards a polite police state. Secondly the reason they've not released mug shots clearly has nothing to do with human rights, as all the knowledgeable and relevant people at the very end of the article state.
      Sadly that requires the reader to get past the reactionary nonsense that makes up the majority of the piece
    • jdun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@Pootle4rthur

      A police state is a liberal state. You should try to understand what is the difference between the right and left of the political spectrum. Go back to school and stop posting here. You might learn something God forbid.
  • knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3this is london, home of the brash, outrageous, and free
    you are repressed but you're remarkably dressed
    • knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1digg down you digg down the mozz.

      i am the last of the famous international playboys
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I never wanted to kill
      I am not naturally evil
      Such things I do
      Just to make myself
      More attractive to you
      Have I failed ?

      Oh...
  • sjl127, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3All you people in the UK have lost your minds. You're hopeless. IF you let this kind of ***** happen, then it's your own damn fault. You all need to step up, vote other people in, revolt, or something, and change your pathetic laws.
    • lysdexia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Of course we do - because this only happens in the UK. But, don't let reasoned response get in the road of your hysteria.
  • Pootle4rthur, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6It is a typical Evening Standard piece, big on the emotional adjectives and outrage and weak on proper facts

    All those who actually have a knowledge of the policy or an interest in the topic ie. the Lord Chancellor say that there's no human rights reason for it, and the policeman at the very end of the piece denies there's a human rights dimension to them not releasing mug shots of the absconders, but cites policing reasons for their behaviour.

    In short the whole piece starts off with an erroneous premise which it then fails to prove, which is pretty much the slack journalism one should expect from the Evening Standard, which is a paper so rubbish that they're having to give away cut down copies filled with adverts to keep it afloat
    • knomevol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3we'w state-id, guvnuh, we'w said. wot they was tawkin' about made no sense a'tall. if they was tawkin any sense a'tall they'd've gone right back 'ome to prison, mate, wifout any pic-chas necessary.

      long live the queen.
  • 5hop4orce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah. If we don't have rights, nobody should have rights. I'm with you 100%.
  • kevbooo7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0why the hell were they in an open prison? Can some british person explain the point of an open prison?
    • CartoonAl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2in theory, an open prison is for 'non-dangerous' criminals, ie white-collar crimes, libel, etc. and model prisoners coming to the end of their sentence, which appears to be the case in this article.

      It should be noted that there has been a lot of prisoners escaping from these prisons recently.

      Well, when I say 'escaping', I mean 'walking out the front door', or 'not bothering to return after a weekend at home'.

      Most prisoners in these places live better lives than me (free bed and board, no need to work, conjugal visits, etc)
  • p0s3r, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6This is the logical extension of all your socialistic faggotry. Koming to the new Amerika soon! Thanks diggerals!
  • dinkola, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The comparison to how motoring offences can be heavy handed comes when there has been a series of bombs sent to motoring related businesses (e.g. police speed gun related, department for vehicles, etc). See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6338829.stm . One theory is that it could be due to a motorist who believes they have been treated unfairly and is now presenting their wrath on related orgranisations.
  • spartan777, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4sounds like the ACLU has had their way with the british justice system. American Criminal Liberties Union, protecting criminals' rights.
  • optophobia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think you mean "MurderERS" not Murders........
  • ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If these escapees kill a bunch of Chavs, will they be considered heros since Chavs are a violation of all human rights?
  • Kiabi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Murderers should lose their human rights the second they take someone else's life.

  • Matthews255, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This is becoming the way of the UK.

    The law abiding person has no rights anymore, whether that be freedom of speech or the right to be protected from dangerous criminals.

    I'm moving to Ireland lol.
  • fLUx1337, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Jipsys (aka "Travelers") have more rights in the UK than anyone.....

    They can come and park nearly anywhere they want, as long as its not your private property.....

    lol
  • blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3If they released the photos, some idiot will shoot some innocent guy because he looks like one of them. Remember when some magazine published photos and names of convicted paedophiles in the UK? Remember the bald guy who got his neck broken with angry parents who couldn't distinguish one bald guy from another?
    • Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Release their names too. Vigilantism has its limits, and must me forced to check itself.
  • Pigeon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Woo, another reason to leave in 2.5 years.

    The justice system in this country is completely failing the average decent citizen. Some gems I've read about over the years:

    1) A 92yo women who lived alone put barbed wire along her walls a couple of years ago, but she was told it is illegal and that "criminals may injure themselves climbing over" and had to take it down. She was told she would be charged if criminals did injure themselves.

    2) A guy being constantly taunted by chavs ("We'll burn down your house with your wife and baby in it" etc.) had had enough. He always called police but they would do nothing. He grabbed one of the ***** one day and made a citizens arrest, he made the kid apologise, explained to him what he was doing wrong, then let him go. What happened? The guy was charged with kidnapping and assault and got prison time himself.

    3) The prison service recently paid out £££ to prisoners who 'were forced to not take illegal drugs while in prison'. They had to go cold turkey and because of this "their rights were violated" and they "deserved compensation". So my taxes pay a criminal because he/she couldn't take their favourite drug while in prison.

    What happened to my rights as a law abiding, tax paying, decent citizen? Shouldn't I have the right to make a citizens arrest? Shouldn't I have the right to walk down my road without retards (chavs) being freely able to verbally and physically abuse me while knowing they won't get punished?

    I've had this stupidity happen to me. I was punched in the face with no warning just before I entered an exam hall which broke my nose. The chav did it because "I was a grunger". That was his only ***** reason, I didn't even know him. I then had to take my exams in that state, which as you probably gussed, I failed. Its hard to concentrate on complex mathematics when your bleeding non stop and were nearly knocked unconscious. It turned out the chav was also a boxer.

    I reported this to the police, then I had to go in and answer questions. They questioned me like I was the criminal! They told me that the boy had said I threw my coat on the floor then lunged at him with the first punch. They believed him because he had got his ~10 stupid chav friends to all say the same thing. Half of them wern't even there! I didn't even have a coat that day, I went to school in just a white shirt. The police dropped the charges and told me to not incite violence?!

    I don't have any faith in the UK's police/government because they are out of touch with society and ran by morons who have no idea what they are doing.
    • dezmo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2dude, come to America where you can chose between Texas, Boston, and everything in between.
  • superpotential, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2this is total crap. criminals have violated other peoples' rights (like the right not to be assaulted), thus it is okay to remove some of the criminal's rights in order to improve public safety.

    for horrific crimes like murder, i see no problem with taking away nearly all rights except the right to trial and the right to free speech. revoking other rights is a good way to punish, especially in cases where such revocation protects the public. after all, the whole idea of prison is to take away freedom.
  • pantaloons, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1This is the price I gladly pay, and would pay every day, for living in a free society. Believe it or not, murderers are human beings too.
    • p0s3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6What about the ex-human beings that the murderers murdered? Cry for them, *****.
  • jdun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1...
  • ByteGuerilla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm adding this to my list of reasons I'm leaving the country as soon as I can. At the moment my number one reason is the fact that if someone breaks into my house, if I defend myself I can be prosecuted, successfully, by the assailant.
    • thinsoldier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0what if you kill them? Can their next of kin take you to court?
      What if they kill you? Is there some backwards rule saying the family of the victim can't sue?
  • wowbagger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I left the UK 12 years ago now. I'll never go back,the country has gone to the dogs.
    Muslims everywhere walking round in full veils (It's the damn UK for ***** sake !)
    Speed camera's and CCTV EVERYWHERE, you can't take a dump without being on hundreds of cameras
    The UK has turned into a nanny state, they get ripped off on the price of everything and yet they do absolutely ***** all about it.

    Good riddance Britain, I'm glad I moved to Sunny California.
  • scottelloco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The second you guys allowed them to install Government surveillance cameras all over the city the Government knew that they could walk all over you. The same thing is happening in Chicago.
  • dralezero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Isn't this news site basically telling everyone they are escaped and showing their pictures? lol
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