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- SaladCactusKing, on 07/03/2009, -3/+21Operation Cast Lead started with good intentions (To stop the daily mortar attacks in Sderot, that, while rarely lethal, terrorized the city and basically forced all of its residents underground for days at a time) but went far too long and got far too violent. The operation, if done correctly, should've been 1/3 as long and with 1/3 as many casualties, preferably all Hamas terrorists.
That said, Amnesty International claiming they have no proof Hamas used human shields? Uh, that's their modus ***** operandi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-pWJgMNE68
Boom, a five second google search and already I seem to know more than some independent investigator. These Hamas terrorists are fully armed to the teeth and they're stowing away in an UN ambulance. How is that not human shielding? - treehugger87, on 07/02/2009, -13/+27And now Israel plans to illegally seize another piece of the West Bank through their court system. From Democracy Now!
"The Israeli government has announced plans to expropriate a new swath of the occupied West Bank. Israel says it will take fifty-four square miles of Palestinian land, including shoreline near the Dead Sea. Palestinians will have forty-five days to contest the seizure in an Israeli court. A Palestinian cabinet minister called the move Israel’s single largest land takeover since it occupied the West Bank and Gaza in the 1967 war." - gottadiggit, on 07/03/2009, -6/+16War crime is really an oxymoron. I mean they want you to think it's like playing a game of chess. But in reality it is more about either side doing it and not getting caught. The USA is probably the most guilty but the best at hiding it. If we did not turn Israel into a bully with all that money that we do not have, this would be less of an issue.
We are the enablers! - clvngodess, on 07/02/2009, -14/+24And to what end? That is my question. To what end? Israel acts like they have sanctioned from god (what ever the hell THAT is) rights to impose manifest destiny and essentially wipe out the Palestinians. Hamas provides the backlash for this inane world view. And to what end? Who wins? Who pays? (Even better question, check your U.S. tax return.) All the while, bodies continue to pile up...
- SaladCactusKing, on 07/03/2009, -3/+13That's absurd logic. Do you consider what the Taliban is doing in Swat Valley okay by nature of them using primitive guerilla warfare tactics and cheap weaponry? Or Iraqi terrorists with homemade IEDs?
- Presbyterian, on 07/03/2009, -6/+15Hyperbole=hyperbole
- doom777, on 07/03/2009, -2/+10Welcome to assymetric warfare. Number of people dead is not a measure of a side's righteousness, only of ones effectiveness.
- urik88, on 07/03/2009, -2/+8"they can't even aim or guide their rockets adequately"
And that's exactly the problem. Though it wouldn't change much since they would start aiming at schools if the were able to. - Meep3D, on 07/03/2009, -2/+8Using his logic any country with a border is apartheid. North America is apartheid for not allowing the Mexicans to cross the border, keeping them in poverty.
The premise that Tutu bases his argument on is that Israel should be dispanded and all the Jews should GTFO. Which is ironically fundamentally racist as he doesn't seem to have a problem with any other country with borders in the middle east, despite the fact that none of the countries in the middle east really existed before 1900 either. - COINTELPROAgent, on 07/03/2009, -5/+10I happen to think they learned very well from what happened to them from the Germans. After the Holocaust there won't be any more victim-Jews.
It's very simple, even a herd-follower like yourself should get the concept: Launch rockets at unarmed Israeli families, get your rocket squad blown up by a return rocket. It's the same concept understood by every other military on earth.
Now run along and get an education. - foopirata, on 07/03/2009, -1/+6And your point is? The side with more dead wins?
Hamas doesn't put a dollar down to build shelters for their civilians; Israel does plenty.
Hamas doesn't waste their time marking up their vehicles and making their "fighters" wear uniforms, instead mingling them with the civilians on purpose. Israel's soldiers are easily identifiable.
And you ignore the most important point: more Palestinians have been killed in internecine fights between Palestinian factions than in all of the Cast Lead operation. Where is your outrage? - Tanktunker, on 07/03/2009, -0/+5I completely agree, ziadg, Israel should be forced to fire bottle rockets at schools instead of trying to actually harm Hamas infrastructure, and occasionally they should declare jihad and send some suicide bombers.
That is the way to peace. - foopirata, on 07/03/2009, -1/+5Apatheid = an inexistent word.
Probably a freudian slip, since it is clear he doesn't understand the meaning, why type the word correctly? - Doc123, on 07/03/2009, -4/+8Islam = Apatheid
- mecanofan, on 07/03/2009, -3/+7You guys should totally check out the NEWS JUNKIE POST for stories like this one.
- Tanktunker, on 07/03/2009, -1/+5Most of the Jews migrated to Israel legally, and all the Arabs in Israel have all the rights and privileges of their jewish counterparts, so your point is moot.
- machej, on 07/03/2009, -4/+8If hamas didn't launch rockets at Sderot consistently Israel would have halted it's army. The only reason why civilians died was the fact that hamas launched its rockets next to civilians houses so Israel attacked that direction... Warning was given!
- MWeather, on 07/03/2009, -5/+9So if Israel took a piece of the US, and we protested, we hate jews?
- eyko, on 07/03/2009, -4/+8I read the article and find no mention of Hamas' war crimes. I'm curious as to why these details have been left out... but included in the title.
- COINTELPROAgent, on 07/03/2009, -5/+9^^ SuperShlomo is known on Digg for posting hateful anti-Semitic and racist propaganda.
- SaladCactusKing, on 07/03/2009, -0/+3I was on vacation in Israel when the cease fire ending Operation Cast Lead was announced. If anyone has any questions about the Israeli citizen perspectives during that time, feel free to ask.
- designcode, on 07/03/2009, -0/+3"I want aggressiveness- If there is someone suspicious on the upper floor of a house, we’ll shell it. If we have a suspicion about a house, we’ll take it down. There will be no hesitation, nobody will deliberate."
Above line suggest that Israelis (Jewish to be more precise) hate Muslims! - foopirata, on 07/03/2009, -0/+3Remains to be proven, after all, he's been seen wearing a kipa.
/s <---------- there, see ?? /s! - hmemcpy, on 07/03/2009, -1/+4"...When the rockets come, sirens go off, and people stop what they're doing and go into their basements or bunkers. After that, people go straight back to what they were doing"
Let's see you do that several times a day... or night... for 8 years! - Tanktunker, on 07/03/2009, -3/+6Yeah, I remember, during the apartheid, when all those black people were in the South African parliament, and enjoyed the same rights as the white people.
Tough times. - MWeather, on 07/03/2009, -0/+3"Lastly, Hamas isn't holding Palestine hostage, Palestine elected Hamas in open and fair elections."
They elected the political wing of Hamas. The military wing is a separate organisation. Sort of like the IRA. - Meep3D, on 07/03/2009, -2/+4True that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi - Meep3D, on 07/03/2009, -2/+4"The IDF is an occupying force and aggressor"
Hamas was in charge of Gaza, Fatah were in charge of the West Bank.
Israel withdrew completely, 100% every single soldier and settler from Gaza. The violence only intensified, the rocket attacks intensified. What on earth were Hamas fighting for?
And don't give me that 'closed borders' crap. The borders would have been opened if the violence stopped. If Hamas and the Palestinians want free access to Israel they will have to stop trying to blow it up first, not after. - chrisjj, on 07/03/2009, -2/+4I cannot Digg this submission because the submitter's headline suggests equivalency between the two sides. Israel with its overwhelming military superiority over the Palestinians (who do not even have official armed forces, even though they have a democratically elected government) has the greater responsibility to comply with all international laws which clearly it did not during its bombing and invasion of Gaza (and during its invasion of Lebanon in 2006). Basically the Palestinians in Gaza are trying to defend their territory from the attacks and the siege by whatever means they can - it's really as simple as that.
- Presbyterian, on 07/03/2009, -1/+3Dude he lives in the US.It makes his comment kinda ironic and laughable.
- Presbyterian, on 07/03/2009, -2/+4"the IDF kills far more civilians that Hamas does"
And the Allies killed more civilians than the Germans. - SaladCactusKing, on 07/03/2009, -2/+4Except there are barely any Iraqis who ONLY targeted US Troops. The majority of the terrorism has been under the guise of religion. Everyone's fair game to those nuts.
- iMick, on 07/05/2009, -0/+1NEWSFLASH: War+Religion=***** time for all!
- 3The3Dude3, on 07/03/2009, -6/+7"The USA is probably the most guilty but the best at hiding it."
Are you that brainwashed?
I'm one of those "blood-thirsty evil *****" who doesn't think that waterboarding terrorists is torture. BUT, I understand the reason for debate. American's have an EXTREMELY HIGH regard for human decency and are relentless in preserving it. Thus, where ever the line is, we don't even want to get close to it, let alone cross it.
However, the reality is that we treat war prisoners better than many countries have in the past, or currently do, treat their own citizens. (e.g. nobody opened live rounds on Al Gore voters, who weren't actually cheated to begin with) Yes, we have had embarrassing abuses. But these are the exception and not the rule and we prosecute the offenders.
The reality is, there is no perfectly humane way to fight a war and failure to respond to attack is failure to survive. So on behalf of every American who doesn't feel guilty for being one and who doesn't believe the United States is enabler of the world's "villains": Go ***** yourself. - COINTELPROAgent, on 07/03/2009, -8/+9There were no war crimes commited by Israel in the Gaza conflict. Killing unarmed civilians is not unlawful under the Laws of War, unless civilians are intentionally targeted.
In modern warfare it is still not yet possible to engage in war without unintentionally harming civilians.
However, it is accepted as fact that Hamas intentionally targeted Israeli civilians with rockets, which is explicitly defined as a war crime.
If internet arguments mattered (which they don't), my argument would tell Amnesty International's argument to STFU. - designcode, on 07/03/2009, -3/+4http://img3.imageshack.us/i/image001xvh.jpg/
- COINTELPROAgent, on 07/03/2009, -8/+9Man up, Nancy! Life is tough, then we die. It's nice that you feel righteous and smug with that attitude, but families that are being targeted by Hamas rockets don't have that luxury.
- smacksaw, on 07/03/2009, -3/+4When a lawful government behaves in the same manner as terrorist, what sort of government is that?
- brickbat, on 07/03/2009, -4/+5Yeah, and we all know that infamous conspiracy rag, the WALL STREET JOURNAL. I disagree with Paul on some liberty issues (eg, I don't believe in the freedom to die because of lack of health care), but generally, I think he is an honest, decent guy. So ***** YOU for trying to tar him just because of someone standing next to him in a photo.
- inactive, on 07/03/2009, -1/+2"If we did not turn Israel into a bully with all that money"
The US did not turn Israel into a bully. The Zionists were oppressing the Palestinians in the early 20th century, and committed acts of terrorism against the US and Britain. The "Israelis" even plotted to kill Americans and pin it on Egyptians.
What happened is that the Zionists were propped up by international financiers who founded the Jewish Agency, which used its funding to set up a permanent lobby/espionage organization on American soil. That foreign lobby convinced our weak leaders to fund and arm the Israelis against the Arabs and then the Soviets, and then began funneling that aid back in the form of campaign contributions to perpetuate the cycle. Our "special relationship" with Israel is nothing other than a supremacist state using laundered American tax dollars to buy Congress and the White House.
Every corporation in America uses the corporate welfare it receives to lobby Congress for more money. People are pretty ignorant to not realize Israel does the same thing on a larger scale. - chrisjj, on 07/03/2009, -2/+3Thanks for this - just about sums up the crux of the issue: that Palestinians have been greatly wronged by the Western nations, and I might say the Arab nations have not done enough to correct this (in my opinion) . Israel has been the primary aggressor throughout, ever since it took the Arab lands in 1948. The United Nations mandated that the Jews should be allowed to take 52% of Palestine for Israel but now we see that Israel has taken over about 88% of what was originally Palestine. Countless UN Resolutions and International laws have been violated by Israel throughout its 61 year history. The plight of the Palestinians is one of the greatest injustices committed in recent times akin to the near extinction of the American Indians and to slavery. The Amnesty Report rightly points out war crimes on both sides, but it has to be noted that the Palestinians (like any group of people) have a right to defend their territory (from siege or attack) by whatever military means they have. Of course this should not involve killing innocent civilians but what kind of example does Israel set when it kills countless women and children in Lebanon and Gaza, and imprisons and tortures Palestinians without trial?
- Junkyarddawg, on 07/03/2009, -2/+3Psst, dingbat: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3 ...
- avidbuff, on 07/03/2009, -1/+2Who were the investigators, what is their expertise? Their methodologies? Buried as propaganda.
- MWeather, on 07/03/2009, -4/+4wrong + wrong != right
- beautifulady, on 07/03/2009, -1/+1Why am I getting dugg down for asking to see an article? Seriously, I would like to read it. I especially would like to see it in terms of what I just read in Haaretz today about Israel's Housing Minister, who appears to be a segregationist.
I also posted Amnesty International's Report on Operation Cast Lead, and their report on Hamas. They are very informative, as is the ICRC's report. - urik88, on 07/03/2009, -3/+3That graph is filled with errors and is extremely biased.
To begin with, its biggest bias is that it suggest that the whole thing was Palestinian land. That's wrong. It was British land, and had Arab towns. Just like you only see white dots in the first map, you should see the same for Palestinians. In fact, when the partition plan was made, Jews were already a majority in the land designed for them.
Then, it also leaves out in the second map things like for example Jerusalem. Jerusalem in the second map is showed as a Palestinian city, when in fact it was designed to be an international city managed by the UN that belonged to everyone.
Third map is legit as far as I know.
Four map is inaccurate. I recommend this one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8 ... - MWeather, on 07/03/2009, -1/+1Actually, most of the attacks on civilians have been by foreigners.
- inactive, on 07/03/2009, -2/+2That graphic about says it all, designcode. The Jewish supremacists in Israel's government won't stop until there are no Palestinians left within the territory it has arrogated.
- COINTELPROAgent, on 07/03/2009, -7/+7Ah, Ron Paul conspiracy hour. Here's Ron Paul's photo-op with Neo-Nazi Stormfront leader Don Black: http://digg.com/politics/Ron_Paul_s_Photo_Op_with_ ...
- Meep3D, on 07/03/2009, -2/+2It would constitute a declaration of war against the country that the terrorist attacks were directed against.
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