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Immigrants No Longer See America as the Land of Prosperity

washingtonpost.com — The number of immigrants coming to the United States slowed substantially in 2007, with the nation's foreign-born population growing by only 511,000, compared with about a million a year since 2000, according to Census figures released today. In 14 states, the foreign-born population declined,...

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  • Hawker400, on 09/23/2008, -48/+50Wow, not only is the American Empire on the decline, but apparently so are its ideals. Sad news.
    • Hetman, on 09/23/2008, -16/+3You are thinking of the word idea not ideal.

      • poet, on 09/23/2008, -1/+3Need to take some elementary-school English class vocabulary lessons again?
    • SpectralSounds, on 09/23/2008, -8/+27If America keeps declining at the rate it is now, it will be the other countries worried about immigrants from America.
      • uppitydiggers, on 09/23/2008, -6/+1we've certainly got them to spare.
      • Avolii, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1I've actually been considering leaving the States for a few months now.
    • Hetman, on 09/23/2008, -6/+7That would be awesome. Canada is going to be pissed when their is an influx of non-french speaking american assholes running around. Of course unlike America they would probably just deport us or jail us.
      • Rikkochet, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4Unlike America, Canada is completely incapable of deporting or jailing anyone for anything.
        The last time we deported someone successfully there were mass protests in the streets because the aggravated assaulting, drug running prick was going to be "abused" in his home country.
      • Hetman, on 09/23/2008, -0/+3That is not true. You just sent back an american deserter. I will look up the article for you. But I can gurantee you do deport people unless as you mentioned their country of orign will prosecute them for something that is legal in Canada.
      • reaper527, on 09/23/2008, -1/+1as much as i find the humor the way it sounds when we are referred to as being canada's mexico, this will never happen. and as far as the non-french speaking aspect goes, aside from quebec isn't canada a primarily english speaking nation?

        (and i agree with rikko)
      • Bith8654, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1@reaper527: Canada and French is similar to the US and Spanish, only they take it a little farther. I'll admit I've only spent a significant amount of time in the province of Ontario, but it's not uncommon to see signs in both English and French, or food wrappers with English and French descriptions back to back.
    • herval, on 09/23/2008, -7/+3I thought u were refering to some new apple product that I still don't own when u said iDeals... sigh
    • Betrayal, on 09/23/2008, -9/+4¡Cójale todo! I' ¡m que se mueve a la tierra de la leche y de la miel!
      • broh, on 09/23/2008, -2/+2English please. Stop assuming we all understand spanish.
      • shakebabies, on 09/23/2008, -4/+3que los putos estos gringos se vayan pal karajo! arriba cultura! QUE SE JODAN TODO LOS CABRONES AMERICANOS! se entiende?
      • poet, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4English motha *****! Do you speak it?!
      • shakebabies, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1la poesia es de patos
    • mzx639, on 09/23/2008, -8/+3I think it's great, if it keeps more losers from coming to the U.S.
    • whorunbartertwn, on 09/23/2008, -2/+7Interesting interpretation:

      An additional 511,000 immigrants in 2007 = immigrants no longer see America as the land of opportunity.

      Go offer 100 American visas up for grabs on a street corner in Mumbai or Xian, watch the stampede commence.
      • Nitesmoke, on 09/23/2008, -3/+6Stop implying that people want to come to the US. We at Digg bury anything that doesn't bash the US. By implying that we have more people trying to sneak in, risking even death to get here, would mean that it doesn't totally suck here, and we can't let that sentiment get out. USA sucks ass, no one wants in, wake up.
      • quaxon, on 09/23/2008, -0/+7please, you can offer visa's to any developed country, America isnt the golden ticket.
    • seraph582, on 09/24/2008, -0/+4Buried as ridiculously inaccurate tripe. Don't believe me? Check out the average homes/lifestyles in India, Mexico, or Eastern Europe. Compare them to what you know as America.
  • hmunkey, on 09/23/2008, -27/+9:(
  • rdldr1, on 09/23/2008, -58/+22The conservatives got what they wanted, made America less appealing to illegals... but at what expense?
    • piper999, on 09/23/2008, -6/+64Not all immigrants are illegal.
      • pintomp3, on 09/23/2008, -8/+10a person is not illegal.
      • santaliqueur, on 09/23/2008, -3/+3He didn't say they all were.
      • piper999, on 09/23/2008, -1/+2I didn't say he did.
      • harrisbradley, on 09/23/2008, -1/+8Correct, illegal immigrants are mainly dominated by the ones that don't pay taxes. (Also, I'm not a bigot. The only thing I have a problem with is how much we give away for free.)
      • chase001, on 09/24/2008, -1/+3Crossing an imaginary line should not be illegal.
    • FrostyTheDMan, on 09/23/2008, -3/+1No expense at all... we'll end up saving money for every illiterate gang banger that decides to stay in El Salvador and wreak havoc.
    • writie, on 09/28/2008, -0/+1There is a side issue, as the numbers of foreign students attending US universities is also down - many due to restrictive visa regulations. This is pure benefit for the universities and business schools of Europe.
  • Michaelabehsera, on 09/23/2008, -45/+18***** America it lost its freedom completly, sooooooooooo many regulation exist its hard to creat a company, go public etc.
    Immigrants built this country if they dont like it any more then that will be one of the man reasons why I think th US will go down in the next 20 years.
    • piper999, on 09/23/2008, -6/+17A lot of this is caused by the fact that America has outsourced its service industries and research and development therefore wealth creation to other countries. There is no advantage to being in America when American money and jobs are easier to get hold of in other countries.
      • mikedoth, on 09/23/2008, -7/+4Corporate greed, and the bottom line. Make it harder for companies to outsource (Ron Paul) and jobs will inherently come back.
      • piper999, on 09/23/2008, -0/+2Why are you being dugg down??

        You are correct. The goverment has been effectively paying companies to outsource jobs for years. It's like a tax reduction bonus for every American they fire and it ***** disgusts me.
    • IglooBurner, on 09/23/2008, -1/+1And there will be even more regulations to come in the future on loaning money and starting a business.
    • mk3k, on 09/23/2008, -1/+10I'm 34 and the whole America will go down in flames now thing gets old.
      Everyone has always talked about it but we are still prominent in the world if not liked by the world.
      • Sroek, on 09/23/2008, -5/+1Hate to break it to you, but America is already dead.
      • santaliqueur, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4Already dead? I'm scared, most 23 year olds from LA who are on Digg usually know their socio-economic *****. Probably learning all about it at the local junior college.
      • Sroek, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1@santaliqeuer

        socio-economic?

        You mean socio-political?
    • Dumbledorito, on 09/23/2008, -2/+4It's amazing how "there too much regulation" can still be a talking point when every indication is that it was a lack of regulation enforcement that led to this mess.

      But yeah, let's make derivatives even MORE free-wheeling, and hey, why just have a loophole where traders can ***** with commodity futures on overseas markets: Let's let them drive the costs of everything through the roof right here.
    • starbuxadct, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1I find it hard to believe that you could have created a successful public company, no matter what the state of the US is.
  • DrPaul2008, on 09/23/2008, -28/+21I'm glad that people are starting to realize this. It's damn sad what people give up trying to come here in search of liberty. The US is a lost cause.
    • inhaler, on 09/23/2008, -4/+10I disagree. I've always imagined we were that beacon in the west where a nation could be born from an idea. Promoting opportunity, prosperity, and the liberty to pursue both. We've made some mistakes, but I don't think it's over.

      The majority of the people in this country - our pulse beat alittle faster and alittle harder when we hear the preamble of the constitution or the declaration of independence. Even the engraving on Lady Liberty causes my heart to swell. We can get it back, we haven't lost it yet. It's just going to be a long row to hoe.
      • FreeStater, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2Whether or not you think the rest of the nation has a chance of righting itself, the best chance for freedom is in New Hampshire, which, obviously, is in the United States.

        www.freestateproject.com
      • DrPaul2008, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2Nationalism is alive and well. Competence is not. We're a nation of willing slaves, and we have no understanding of what liberty is. If we had a separation of school & state, as well as a cataclysmic event, we might be able to salvage this country in the next 25-50 years. We certainly don't have the understanding, or the character, to be free people, and we won't be the generation to raise children that will grow up to be, either. More likely, we will start to oppress those trying to attain freedom in other nations of the world, in the name of national security. Ours is a sick, pathetic, society.
      • DrPaul2008, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1FreeStater, you might be right. However, the type of people willing to actually uproot their lives, and move across the country in pursuit of something as unappreciated, and misunderstood, as freedom, are very rare. How will the rest of the nation look if the best of us move? NH might be able to defy the odds, but I would imagine the Live Free or Die state would cut the diseased nation loose, and secede...

        With or without NH, the U.S. is *****.
    • richnojutsu, on 09/23/2008, -1/+7The US is a lost cause? I'm sure the man whose name you bear would disagree with you.
      • DrPaul2008, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1You're sure, eh?

        I understand that no government lasts forever. I understand that we can't keep up the size of our government for much longer. What I am referring to is our ability as people to do something intentionally, to direct our future, rather then sit back and wait for it, whatever may come.

        Ron Paul is right. Whether by choice, or necessity, the US government will shrink, if not end. He is trying desperately to reach us, and convince us to do the right thing. Ron Paul believes it's his duty to try to protect the Constitution, and restore to us our freedom, despite ourselves. I am sure he will spend the rest of his life trying to figure out how to save the nation, but I'd be willing to bet that after a life time of principled work, he doesn't have a whole lot of hope for us.
    • AresDiggs, on 09/23/2008, -0/+2Why do people say the US is going down and its a good thing? no its not... like the guy above said we made some mistakes but we are a country that learns and changes for the better it just takes time...
    • buryyourhead, on 09/23/2008, -3/+1I'm not sad at all. I've ***** had it with the amount of Bosnians coming into St. Louis.
  • Kamelia28, on 09/23/2008, -39/+56Several years ago I'd love to move to America, but no longer, the author is right!.. America has changed, not to good..
  • edstate, on 09/23/2008, -8/+60I think this is actually GOOD for other countries. No longer will their best and brightest flee their country for a "better life in America". The better all the countries of the world are, the better the world.

    Of course, they won't get the "how to" education on those valuable nation-helping skillz that they would've w/ a few good years here :P
    • pell, on 09/23/2008, -2/+12That means the influx in immigrants to Canada will increase.
      • unorginalityftw, on 09/23/2008, -2/+5Well it's not like we're low on room up here... just so long as it doesn't get really bad and polluted due to a massive population and I can no longer enjoy being able to go to a Provincial Park for some clean mountain air I'm good.
      • Rikkochet, on 09/23/2008, -0/+4Head to Manitoba. It's really nice there. Really. So everyone go and settle there.
        And those aren't bats, they're mosquitoes.
      • brownsound00, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4Well, here in Canada there is alot of infrastructure for new people to come in, but I really think Canada has to look at Canadians first before they get all these people from different countries coming in and taking jobs. I mean, my grandpa came from India in the 70s. He had to deal with all the racism and learn english etc. and he got no help from anyone. He got his own job, and became a successful engineer. Now you have people that don't even speak english and make no effort to do so, and they get handed jobs (sometimes) with minimal work. Now I'm not against immigration... but we need to make sure they will benefit Canada.
    • andydumi, on 09/23/2008, -0/+11Instead Europe and Australia will be even more flooded. People fleeing third world countries are going to flee somewhere...
    • uppitydiggers, on 09/23/2008, -3/+1As long as it means they also get to keep their criminals too.
    • casolorz, on 09/23/2008, -0/+10You are assuming immigrants are all the best and brightest. Obviously there are lots who are the best and brightest however they tend to come here legally because they can. Considering most immigrants are illegally in the country, then really consider the kind of people you are getting, at least one thing its known about them, they are willing to live as illegals and bend all the laws made to keep illegals out.
      Before someone says I am anti immigration consider that I came to the US as an immigrant but worked my ass off to stay always legal and become a resident the legal way. It took 10 years.
      • edstate, on 09/23/2008, -0/+6That's a good point... honestly, and selfishly I think the US should be kindof picky w/ who we let in. We *should* wnat only the best and brightest. That way, our already strained social services would be for our citizens, and their families.

        And good for you for coming in the front door, and welcome ;)
      • tech10171968, on 09/23/2008, -1/+5Exactly. Why shouldn't we be a little picky about who we let in? Everyone else in the world is, and that includes the very countries whose citizens are criticizing us.
      • Nitesmoke, on 09/23/2008, -0/+5edstate "We *should* wnat only the best and brightest."
        what happened to;
        Give me your tired, your poor,
        Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
        The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
        Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
        I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
      • blueseas123, on 09/26/2008, -1/+2My dad is a hispanic guy who immigrated here to get his doctorate in physics. He is now a physics professor. He came in legally and was able to do everything he wanted to do. I have an uncle who was a janitor (albeit immigrated with a foreign college degree) twenty years ago and now is a top hospital administrator. I hate to say this and maybe I'm biased because it's my own family, but if I were a country I'd take them over a poor gardner or housekeeper with an elementary school education any day. I do not fault America if they choose to be picky about who they let in. And yes I'm hispanic.
      • edstate, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2Nitesmoke...

        I agree w/ you... but I'm speaking purely from a financial place. Our social services are worn down, and severely ***** up. So much so that it's rotting our country form the inside-out. And I often wonder if a bit of a "time out" for those listed on the Statue Of Liberty might be the breath we need to get our house in order...

        And yeah, it sucks.
    • StevesJobs, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4Which lines up with the basic principles of socialism. Something that nobody would have expected to come out of the bush administration.
      • edstate, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1No... actually Bush has been fiscally very un-Conservative. And the Reps who had both houses for 6 years certainly didn't help.
    • writie, on 09/28/2008, -0/+1Hope I'm not repeating myself, but foreign students at US universities and business schools are also down. Those brains are now studying in Europe. Their problem with the US is njot that they don't want to go, it's that the visa requirements make it impossible in many cases.
  • SteelChicken, on 09/23/2008, -47/+34Good, im glad the tide of illegals is slowing down.
  • itstodd, on 09/23/2008, -42/+30Good! Find some where else else to be a parasite!
    • Kikokun, on 09/23/2008, -16/+12those parasites tax money will pay for your 3rd world health care and paltry pension (if you get any).
      That way you can still afford to wank over Palin's pics and post racist slur on the web, while living in yo mama's basement.
      Loser.
      • thcobbs, on 09/23/2008, -2/+4Wait... illegal immigrants pay income tax?
      • itstodd, on 09/23/2008, -2/+5I'm comfortably retired from one company and have first class health care. I working on my second retirement now. I didnt mention anything about race, you did. But this is a great example of typical liberal responce. Play a race card, hurl insults. What class....
    • sfacets, on 09/23/2008, -1/+2...says the guy who spends 80% of his life on his computer.
    • BryanQ, on 09/23/2008, -0/+2@itstodd

      Obviously Economics is not one of the areas you're retiring from. Before you call living, breathing human beings 'parasites'..I urge you to attempt to fully understand what you are commenting on. Also, congratulations on your 'first class' health care. 47 Million of your brothers, sisters, neighbors, friends and fellow humans are without basic coverage. Your own prosperity is all that matters, isn't that right?
  • moracity, on 09/23/2008, -44/+18The one positive thing that will come out of Obama becoming president is that immigration will pretty much come to a halt. There will no longer be incentive to come here. Everyone in the U.S will be taxed into the poorhouse and we will no longer be able to choose our health care. People may as well stay where they are.

    I'm seriously looking into Ireland, which is becoming the new beacon for opportunity.
    • PeppermintPig, on 09/23/2008, -9/+1I wouldn't call that a good thing, unless the point is to see revolution...
    • bromanct, on 09/23/2008, -2/+16Right, because they stopped coming in when Clinton was president.
    • chemstrike, on 09/23/2008, -4/+5Are you really so ignorant about universal health care that you think you won't be able to choose? Horsecrap. Everyone who currently ha healthcare won't really be affected, it's for the 25% of the rest of the nation, and largely covers preventive measures to help prevent more serious, and more costly diseases. It's ridiculous paranoia to think your health care will get WORSE by making it more available. . .
      • thcobbs, on 09/23/2008, -1/+3300million people x $50 checkup... 1.5billion.... and that's just one a year and a low number....

        Now, tack on what you really do at a doctors office and costs skyrocket. Even if we only spend 1000/year.... that's 30Billion dollars every year... at the LOW end.
    • Gooserbaijan, on 09/23/2008, -0/+3The only reason people will be 'taxed into the poorhouse' is because of the present financial collapse. Obama said he would raise taxes on people making over $250 000. So don't create lies hoping people will believe you. Unfortunately, some will....

      Do Obama a favor and move to Ireland....
    • rhodydog, on 09/23/2008, -0/+3More republican lies. When will it stop?
  • jonolan, on 09/23/2008, -36/+22Finally!
  • DuggDowner, on 09/23/2008, -32/+18That's probably because the GOP is ready to greet even legal immigrants with a lynching party.
  • fuckingusername, on 09/23/2008, -6/+95lets all run to Mexico
    • serif69, on 09/23/2008, -2/+11I always wanted to be kidnapped...
    • shig, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1Where the cops are openly corrupt. Did I say cops? I meant drug cartel enforcement agents.
  • makkaveli19, on 09/23/2008, -18/+44i think canada needs to tighten up its immigration laws. even americans are starting to more here:P
    • stonebear, on 09/23/2008, -9/+60Americans are the new Mexicans.
    • alpha94, on 09/23/2008, -1/+7It's pretty hard to immigate to Canada. I'm trying to help a family member to get here and it's much more difficult than you think. It's actually even more difficult to immigrate to the US.
      • efl14, on 09/23/2008, -8/+5i call BS, recently my cousin move there i believe they pay you monthly until you get a job..
      • kingmanic, on 09/23/2008, -0/+20If you are on the shortlist of needed professionals then it becomes much easier. Claim to be a stripper and you'll get in quicker. I'm not even joking look it up. Stripper is on the list.
      • AyaJulia, on 09/23/2008, -0/+9@efl14: Your cousin lied to you. I'm in the middle of Canadian immigration right now, it really is tough.

        Immigrating to the US isn't HARD administratively... it's just really ***** expensive. I'm an American married to a Canadian, and we chose to move here because a) There's 100% less George Bush here and b) Immigration paperwork in the States costs well over $1500 to file. I've spent about $250 on Canada so far, and only expect to spend about $500 more.
      • makkaveli19, on 09/24/2008, -1/+4welcome to canada aya. :) we are awsome here.
      • spaceddaisy, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2@AyaJulia

        But immigrating to the US is very hard administratively when you're not married to an American person or have any family there, it's pretty much an impossible task. I know, I've been trying to find a way to be able to live with my boyfriend for a while and actually have a normal relationship instead of 'ocean-hopping' a few times a year for visits. No luck so far, if anyone has some advice for me, it's very welcome!
    • unorginalityftw, on 09/23/2008, -4/+8Actually it's true... Alberta has gotten a heavy influx. The kicker is they often try to pay establishments with the American dollar and get all bitchy when no one accepts it. o_O
      • Mankrik, on 09/23/2008, -2/+0WHY WON'T YOU ACCEPT THE NOT-SO-ALMIGHTY AMERICAN DOLLAR?!
      • AyaJulia, on 09/23/2008, -0/+2Eugh. The first thing I did when I moved to Calgary was have my bank transfer all our cash to Canadian. I embraced my loonies and twonies (toonies?) even though I still feel like a horrible outsider every time I say either word, lol. Calgary does have a massive immigrant population, though. It's amazing how seldom I hear English (or even French) spoken in public.
      • stuffradio, on 09/23/2008, -1/+2@AyaJulia

        It's Toonie :)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toonie
      • AyaJulia, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1@stuffradio: Thanks, I was wondering about that just earlier today.
      • stuffradio, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1Why would someone bury a Canadian commenting on something factual, and something about something he knows about...

        I guess diggers are idiots who thinks he/she knows more than the commenter.
    • chaosevil, on 09/23/2008, -9/+2"even americans are starting to more here."

      Who wants to more Canada?
  • duczduczducz, on 09/23/2008, -30/+23THANK GOD
  • zomgz, on 09/23/2008, -38/+27one word......
    GOOD.
    • xsquirrel378x, on 09/23/2008, -7/+4who knows why everyone who is saying "good" is getting dugg down. For christs sake, speaking American Midwest English has become a minority in my city and its become so overpopulated with Eastern European immigrants I feel like im living in the 1900s
    • sfacets, on 09/23/2008, -4/+8You're an idiot. The US depends on immigrants to keep it running. Why do you think it gives out green cards otherwise?
  • ZachGlazer, on 09/23/2008, -14/+7(Looks at watch) Did it really take that long?
  • AtraNoxVII, on 09/23/2008, -20/+6It's going to be ironic when our dollar is worth less than the peso and then people go to Mexico for jobs...I wonder how they will treat us?
    Golden Rule's a b...
    • zelig, on 09/23/2008, -0/+10How do you think they treat us now?
      • dmightx, on 09/23/2008, -2/+2I really hate it when people are generalized...
  • ogmwtfbbq, on 09/23/2008, -16/+7dey' took er''' jaaabbbsss!
  • happydaysz, on 09/23/2008, -46/+13Thank Jesus. We don't need any more of them spics in this land of the free.
    • digglet08, on 09/23/2008, -3/+11Stupid comment

      And the thing is, I agree. We don't need any more ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in the land of the free.

      But when idiots like you post idiot comments like that, you alienate people that agree with us from the people that don't. Post an intelligent comment and maybe people will consider what you or I is saying.
    • Lumbre619, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4Typical redneck comment. Hey isn't it late for you to meet up with your Uncle-Dad standing on the side of the freeways asking for handouts?
    • Gooserbaijan, on 09/23/2008, -0/+4An 'illegal' immigrant can also be someone who is desperate to improve his quality of life and help his family. They're also human beings with feelings who often do work that the average American refuses to do.

      You as an individual probably have not contributed much to what America is today. So get off your high horse and realize that America is what it is thanks to immigration (illegal or not).
    • TheSexyGeek, on 09/23/2008, -1/+1In case you haven't realised, you're not so free anymore buddy.
  • destron, on 09/23/2008, -21/+12So why do we have - oh I don't know I'm guessing millions - of illegal immigrants in this country?
    Maybe there's something here they want?

    Discuss.
  • reuscel, on 09/23/2008, -15/+58Man, the bigots are gonna come out of the woodwork for this thread.
    • NegativeDigg, on 09/23/2008, -7/+15They always do...just say immigration and they'll say illegal....
    • Buelldozer, on 09/23/2008, -6/+2Since when does being against illegal immigration make you a bigot? There is a reason the word _illegal_ is used in that phrase. The reason is that it's against the law to enter the country without permission.
      • NegativeDigg, on 09/26/2008, -0/+0Well, let me ask you this question. What do illegal aliens look like? How do you know they are illegal?
    • sfacets, on 09/23/2008, -1/+3Yeah, it's great - I can add to my block list!
  • hammerpants, on 09/23/2008, -4/+101So George W. Bush IS doing something about illegal immigration!!
    • Sinistocrat, on 09/23/2008, -2/+4The fence was just a decoy!
    • drmobutu, on 09/23/2008, -6/+5Brilliant! Now, if we can just make it even worse, we get the immigrants who are already here to leave, too...
      • chaosevil, on 09/23/2008, -0/+4Better still, make it so bad the Natives Indians can have its land back!
      • Tron007, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1BURN
      • kingm1k3, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1Natives Indians? Fail for trying to be politically correct and instead not making sense.
    • reaper527, on 09/23/2008, -1/+12actually, this is the opposite of what we want, this is the legal immigrants that are being talked about. the illegals are still coming across in massive numbers.
      • DreKor, on 09/23/2008, -0/+5Oh crap, you saw through the smoke screen!
    • sfacets, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1Nobody said anything about illegal immigration.
    • writie, on 09/28/2008, -0/+1Yes, he has more or less ruined the economy. Sad, but true.
  • whit4brains, on 09/23/2008, -10/+13Well I guess that is good for the GOP. Make the country suck so bad that no one wants to immigrate to it. They are succeeding beyond anyone's wildest dreams (nightmares).
    • kigcoopa84, on 09/23/2008, -0/+3ha you think its all the GOP. Idiot
      • whit4brains, on 09/28/2008, -0/+1No I don't think it is all the GOP but it was the Republicans holding the "Build The Fence" signs at the RNC!
  • Baroliche, on 09/23/2008, -15/+46Translation - now that foreign countries can no longer leach off of the USA, they don't have a need for us anymore. Let the Russians and Chinese act on behalf of the rest of the world, the world deserves it.
    • visceroth, on 09/23/2008, -2/+18This.

      Just like a terrible girlfriend, come when everything is good but when ***** goes bad just run away. Those that stay to help us out in the time of need are the ones we want anyway.
      • SpinningHead, on 09/24/2008, -0/+5Arent we a nation of people who ran away from other countries?
    • jlburke, on 09/23/2008, -3/+9"...now that foreign countries can no longer leach off of the USA..."

      immigrants, legal or not, do not "leach off" the US, I think it's the other way around. Wait for the cheap labor to be gone and watch on as groceries and services start costing 20-30% more of what you are paying right now.
      • AgmLauncher, on 09/23/2008, -4/+3I'd gladly take that as long as I can ***** understand what the person behind the counter is saying when I have a question or a complaint....
      • Culero, on 09/23/2008, -0/+3BS you could "take that." People moan and groan because of rising gas prices, but they wont for groceries right? OH! duh, lets drill off-shore for groceries!
      • GatorUSMC, on 09/24/2008, -2/+0I'll take the higher groceries and services. There will be less of a need to jack up my property tax to pay for their schooling, less people trying to push my kids into bilingual non-language classes(math, science, history), less health costs that cover the people who flood the hospitals and use it as primary care but don't pay and less crime (the amount of people I see come in who've committed crimes and are flagged with ICE holds is disgusting and the drunk driving makes it look like the wild west on some nights)
      • Yesmad, on 09/24/2008, -0/+3To make it even better, you don't need to send your children to those over-priced universities either, because there will be noone to teach them. Don't bother going to the hospitals either, they'll be severly understaffed.

        People often seem to forget that a large portion of immigrants bring either money or skills.
    • sfacets, on 09/23/2008, -0/+7It's "leech".

      Maybe the immigrants can teach you some english?
  • DubbGirl, on 09/23/2008, -20/+7We are heading a Great Depression
    • kigcoopa84, on 09/23/2008, -1/+3nope. McCain's right, you are a bunch of cry babies
    • skatastrophy, on 09/23/2008, -3/+1I headed into your mom's great depression
  • toastgodsupreme, on 09/23/2008, -16/+9I wonder how many Americans are moving out to other countries as well now. :) Definitely my plan to get the hell out of here soon.
    • Number23, on 09/23/2008, -4/+8What's stopping you? They got lots of flights leving every day.
    • akamurph, on 09/23/2008, -5/+5G'bye, you won't be missed.
    • billbugger, on 09/23/2008, -3/+4Later.
    • AgmLauncher, on 09/23/2008, -2/+5Don't worry, as soon as the economy and strength of America returns (since weak links like him left), he'll come crawling back. That's how it always is.
    • AresDiggs, on 09/23/2008, -2/+2Can i help you pack? ... Since when do Americans give up like that? you/we work for a better tomorrow thats what makes America great... not say oh ***** milk prices went up a dollar and i can't get a 24 pack of Twinkies at wal-mart anymore so i'm getting the ***** out of here
  • mattmollysdad, on 09/23/2008, -16/+16great news!
  • hokie47, on 09/23/2008, -18/+35Then leave
    • postminimalist, on 09/23/2008, -2/+6Oh great another stupid Republican catchphrase

      "LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT"
      • boobsbr, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1ahahahah, this was actually used in Brazil by our military *****: Brazil: love it or leave it.

        opposition would often say: last one to leave please turn off the lights.
      • seraph582, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2that's republican?
  • bromanct, on 09/23/2008, -2/+6This will eventually lead more more competition overseas since the jobs will be created there. I'm all for competition, it's a good way to force us to work harder.
    • SpinningHead, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1Yeah, then we can go back to the good ole days before we had weekends off with our families. The Japanese are the only people in the 1st world who work harder than us.
  • TheKingInYellow, on 09/23/2008, -3/+12which immigrants are we talking about? the legal ones or the illegal ones?
    • zomgz, on 09/23/2008, -13/+2does it matter?
      • unclefire, on 09/23/2008, -0/+8Yes. Illegal immigration going down is a great thing.

        LEGAL immigration of younger people is also a good thing.
      • Spire3660, on 09/23/2008, -0/+4Very much so. Its people with attitudes like your that keep the legal/illegal immigration debate obfuscated. It is very hard to talk about this subject without irrational emotions clouding the issue. Being for immigration reform does not mean you are a racist in any way shape or form.
    • Rudegar, on 09/23/2008, -0/+4extraterrestial ones
      • TheKingInYellow, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1sweet! i hope they bring money...or boast about being able to serve man.
    • AgmLauncher, on 09/23/2008, -2/+5Obviously the legal ones since those are the only ones they can have accurate data on. If we could track illegal immigrants, we wouldn't have a problem.
    • sfacets, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1RTFA.
  • coolremo, on 09/23/2008, -12/+5yes i want to move out of america too. Australia will you let me in?
    • zomgz, on 09/23/2008, -3/+21i think they just placed a nationwide ban on emo fags....
      sry ;(
      • ProUSADigger, on 09/23/2008, -1/+0I'm laughing so hard at your comment that I may have...no, I, in fact, peed my pants.
      • coolremo, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1yes i must be an emo fag cause i believe in the bill of rights and because i realized that this is no longer the land of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
    • sfacets, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1Nah mate, you're more than welcome.
  • socketman, on 09/23/2008, -19/+15Great, they ruined it for themselves. Good job immigrants! Are you happy now?
    • sfacets, on 09/23/2008, -3/+5Are you mentally unstable? Or did you just not read the article and/or comments and therefore miss the point entirely?
      • socketman, on 09/23/2008, -2/+2No, I post strictly off of the headline. By the looks of it, there are a lot of words and numbers in the actual article (which is a negative).
      • Tron007, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1you must be related to bush.....or at least have the same IQ
  • EinZteiN, on 09/23/2008, -14/+19It's absurd the amount of work/paperwork they require those who are well intentioned and want to move to the US for personal/work reasons that it doesn't surprise me to hear that!

    Plus, no immigrant takes anyone's jobs... They actually take jobs most americans won't do in the first place! But that's only a part of immigration... The other is of people who either want to move for personal reasons and are knowledge workers but just not sponsored by the big companies. The amount of paperwork you're required to fill in and the effort that the company that wants to hire you has to go through is really upsetting (to say the least!).

    It's a sad truth... :(
    • Spire3660, on 09/23/2008, -3/+9What a simplistic, one dimensional view. You obviously have never had your job taken by an illegal. When working summer jobs installing irrigation systems while studying for my IT certifications, over 40 american jobs were lost to third world workers where I worked. One year it was me and my buddies, next year i got a promotion to jobsite foreman, all my buddies were fired and I got an all foreign crew. Good, all-american summer work for able-bodied citizens, given to foreigners. Alot of the blame falls to NAFTA, but it still doesnt change the point that an illegal/foreign work force takes jobs from hard working legal americans. The idea that its jobs that no one wants is false.
      • Lumbre619, on 09/23/2008, -0/+4See that's what I don't get. You are blaming illegal immigrants for taking jobs etc. etc. But who's the one doing the hiring...that's right good ol' American Citizen Joe Schmoe business man. If the opportunity was not given to foreign work, they would have no need to cross.

        I say put the business owners that allow this to happen on the front lines, illegal immigrants are taking opportunities because it is given to them. Unless they actually walked up to your friends with guns to their heads saying get out this is my position now...
      • digsuxx, on 09/23/2008, -2/+0If you can't compete in a global job market, then you probably should be on wellfare or some other socialist ***** - cry baby.

        white ***** are lazy as *****. mexicans get the job done faster that's why you always see them doing construction/agriculture jobs. the whiteys always come in with ***** attitudes about the work they've got to do and they're always late and tweaking with some stupid excuse about how their sister was sick or some other stupid *****.
      • coolremo, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1@digsuxx - what is your skin color cause you seem to be racist to both "whiteys" and "*****". are you mexican? if you're such a hard worker what are you doing on digg?
    • AgmLauncher, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4"They actually take jobs most americans won't do in the first place!"

      Wrong. This is a service-based economy. Fewer immigrants means fewer people that need services which means fewer jobs needed to be filled in the first place. This means that what's left will gladly be filled by Americans who are looking for part time jobs (kids during summer or in college who some spending money) or families looking for a part-time second job for extra income.

      The system will work itself out just fine.
    • thecatcantalk, on 09/23/2008, -0/+6The jobs "no American will do" paid a living wage, 20 years ago. Pretty much any job that doesn't require a bachelor's degree now pays 50% less (adjusted for inflation) than it had done in 1980.

      A lot of that's due to globalization/outsourcing (why pay an American craftsman with 15 years' experience, when a Chinese political prisoner can be forced to do it for nothing?), but a lot of it's due to massive waves of immigration (Economics 101: excess supply causes a drop in price. D'oh! Three million workers apply for two million jobs, and boom, watch the wages plummet!).

      Of course, if you accept the "miraculous exception to the law of of supply and demand" hypothesis, then I'll never convince you that the labor supply and wages are governed by economic laws that can be observed in action.
    • SpinningHead, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1Actually, immigration dropped in the 70s when farm workers started unionizing. As it is now, they are terrible underpaid jobs so immigrants move into the cities for better work while the big corporate farms have to fill in the labor gaps with more illegal immigrants.
    • shig, on 09/24/2008, -1/+1If you can't fill out a piece of paper I don't think we need your citizenship. We'd rather have someone that is at least willing to file the proper forms. Perhaps someone willing to put some effort into it.

      Sad truth, indeed.
      • spaceddaisy, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1Wow you have no idea how hard it is to immigrate legally to your country, do you? It takes a lot of money, tons of paperwork (not just some proper forms), sponsors, a prospective job (if you cannot immigrate based on family ties) or money for a college education (higher priced for foreigners coming to study) and usually years and years of your life.

        I've been putting a big effort into it so far and I hope it will all go okay so I can be with the man I love in the USA. But don't think it is easy. It really isn't 'just apply for a green card here and fill out this form'.
    • maz2331, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2H1B visas are a huge part of why people in IT tend to work 60+ hour weeks for lower salaries than bus drivers.
  • dizilbdog, on 09/23/2008, -16/+8America is a third world country. The Citizens have yet to get the Memo.
    • ColorBlind, on 09/23/2008, -3/+4How do you figure?
    • rsHoratio, on 09/23/2008, -5/+3Then we are pretty ***** amazing to be a third world country. Lets see, we invented myspace, DIGG, youtube, the ***** atom bomb,hmmm
      • AresDiggs, on 09/23/2008, -0/+4I agree that the we the US is pretty ***** amazing... but really? you thought of myspace, digg and youtube as what makes us amazing? not being to the moon, having robots on mars, etc... but ***** myspace?

        you get dug down for that...
      • StaticThunder, on 09/25/2008, -0/+1So you can eat those things? Live in them? Use them to manufacture goods?

        I'm confused as to their incredible value.
    • AgmLauncher, on 09/23/2008, -2/+3I tend to agree. Look at the slums and projects of our major cities, how much crime we have. Certain parts of L.A. are virtually indistinguishable from Mexico City or Colombia. It's a bit of a joke.
      • seraph582, on 09/24/2008, -1/+1yeah, but that's because it's not inhabited by citizens? You're proving the article's point with your argument to it.
  • digglet08, on 09/23/2008, -12/+20"The number of immigrants coming to the United States slowed substantially in 2007"

    What a freaking joke. We have tens of millions of unaccounted for Mexican immigrants in the U.S
    • kingmanic, on 09/23/2008, -2/+6You're swapping highly educated and motivated "immigrants" for uneducated but desperate "illegal aliens".
    • maz2331, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1I saw an article a few weeks ago that illegals are beginning to self-deport due to a combination of both economic issues and Immigration finally waking up and doing enforcement.
      • digglet08, on 09/25/2008, -0/+0so the problem is self correcting!
  • digjam, on 09/23/2008, -3/+21If illegal aliens are treated better than legal immigrants then no one would want to come..its that simple.
    • GordonFree, on 09/23/2008, -1/+13I've been waiting for months for a fiancee visa to be able to go to the US permanently and marry my girl.
      And we might wait almost a year for it... after being used to living there together as students.

      Makes me angry when I see so many sham marriages between illegal immigrants, and they get everything processed way faster - they don't have to go through the pain of waiting for a loved one in a distant country! I love my gf and I love America, but it treats law abiding immigrants like *****.
      • reaper527, on 09/23/2008, -0/+5good luck with your paperwork. we need to be cracking down on illegals, and rewarding people like yourself who make a conscious effort to do this the right way. hopefully the mess that is our immigration system can be fixed in the next few years
      • AgmLauncher, on 09/23/2008, -0/+7And law abiding immigrants are exactly the kind of immigrants that are HEALTHY for the economy. The ones that circumvent the legal process are significantly more likely to commit crime, or fail to acclimatize themselves with American culture.
      • dmightx, on 09/23/2008, -1/+3@AgmLauncher

        "more likely to commit crime, or fail to acclimatize themselves with American culture."

        My city is filled with plenty of undocumented immigrants yet they are the ones who work the hardest and most honest(if you put aside their illegal status and at least the ones I know). The ironic thing is that a good amount of people who are granted citizenship through birthright (in my area) are the ones who are committing the crimes. Not all 1st generation citizens are that way however.
      • mpastrana, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2Yep, its like that. Slow.

        A quick look at sites like http://www.trackitt.com shows average wait times for all immigration processes going into the 300-500 day "range" as "normal". Its horrible! (something else to consider? legal fees; the regular process, from employment to green card, can go into some 5-odd years and run some $25,000 in lawyer fees)

        You know, with the boomer "gap" coming up after they retire and the real estate bubble collapsing due to surplus housing, you would think that someone might see immigration as a way out of this hubbub, but this is apparently not the case.

        /mp
      • spaceddaisy, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2Gordon am in the same situation as you, just wanted to say good luck. Looks like it'll be a year to wait still for me and my man too. Thankfully we have Skype....
      • GordonFree, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2Thanks everyone!

        spaceddaisy good luck to you too :)

        Yeah we use Skype like, 2 hours a day... I wish I was a Jumper like Hayden Christensen.
        I might go visit her in the US soon (as a tourist). Add that to the money bills of waiting for a LEGAL process...
  • happydaysz, on 09/23/2008, -25/+7Get outta here hispanos! And take yer tacos with you!
    • rsHoratio, on 09/23/2008, -2/+2you are from ***** algeria, you dont get to talk
    • GordonFree, on 09/23/2008, -1/+7Get outta here white man! And leave the indians alone
  • dilibau, on 09/23/2008, -15/+35I, for instance, wanted to emigrate to my uncle in Seattle, who is a highly-respected physics professor at the University there. He himself arrived in the US more than 20 years ago, fleeing from the oppression he had suffered in our native communist country. Now he tells me to stay the ***** outta the US, since most of the liberties he enjoyed until Bush came to the White House are gone, since economic collapse is about to come down there and, more important, since every immigrant is now a potential terrorist..***** insane, this is how the US are today, and no one's doing a damn thing about impeachment
    • billbugger, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4We're still waking up. We're heavy sleepers. It takes a few cups of coffee first ($700 billion blank check for one).
    • Choop, on 09/23/2008, -7/+5It's ***** up views like this that prove how stupid the rest of the world really is.

      Point 1: We still have all our "liberties"
      Point 2: "every immigrant is a potential terrorist" doesn't even make sense. By that logic everyone on earth is a potential terrorist.
      Point 3: ....well I'll give you the economic collapse but the beauty of a free market system means that all economic downturns swing back up at some point.

      I swear everyone needs to stop acting like Chicken Little, Americans and foreigners alike.
      • keyforce, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4Well, isn't everyone on earth a potential terrorist?

        That's the beauty of xenophobia.
      • AyaJulia, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4Actually Choop, the DHS has jacked up the immigration fees and closely scrutinizes immigration applications far more than has ever been done before. They ARE treating every like a terrorist.
      • GatorUSMC, on 09/23/2008, -2/+0"closely scrutinizes immigration applications" Oh no, so harsh. Looking into applications instead of just using the rubber stamp certainly sounds like the kind of punishment a terrorist receives...

        After all, the rubber stamp has worked so well for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac since Clinton lowered the standards.
      • AyaJulia, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1Way to not comprehend what I was saying at all. Take one too many bashes to the head in the marines, cannon fodder? :)
      • writie, on 09/28/2008, -0/+2Last I heard, I'd have to get finger-printed to get IN to the US as a visitor, not even as an immigrant. Also, are not bank details being perused by immigration? I seem to remember something the Swift organisation having to supply the US with int'l banking operations.

        "The program extracts information about bank transfers from the world's largest financial communication network, which is run by a consortium of financial institutions called the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, or SWIFT.

        The SWIFT network carries up to 12.7 million messages a day containing instructions on many of the international transfers of money between banks. The messages typically include the names and account numbers of bank customers, from private citizens to big corporations, who are sending or receiving funds."

        Who needs this? I chose to pass on my last trip to the US for business. Fantastic country the last time I was there. But why bother submitting yourself to this sort of snooping? There are lots of other fantastic countries out there.
    • AgmLauncher, on 09/23/2008, -5/+7Lol what liberties did Bush take from him?

      I love how people say the Patriot act has taken away their freedoms when in fact all it's done is made lines at the airport a bit longer.

      Seriously, I think people are behaving the same way they do when they hear about the outbreak of a disease, they start IMAGINING they have symptoms, when in fact they don't have any. People IMAGINE that Bush has created a Spanish Inquisition that comes breaking in every night in the middle of dinner to interrogate you, but it obviously hasn't happened. People are just being paranoid drama queens.
      • coolremo, on 09/23/2008, -2/+1-How about having your bag searched for no reason by the NYPD when you go to the subway station to take the train to/from school?

        -How about being arrested for silent protest at the Republican National Convention - http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/97474/media_sil ...
      • AgmLauncher, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1And those affected dilibau's uncle how? Exactly, it hasn't. He's complaining about nothing.
    • FrostyTheDMan, on 09/23/2008, -7/+6"since most of the liberties he enjoyed until Bush came to the White House are gone"

      Name one... come on, just ONE. And while you're at it... name one country on the entire f'ing planet that is MORE free than the U.S. ((waits a good while)) That's what I though f*&kwad. Stay away... we'll be fine without another eastern eurotrash socialist drone like you, thank you very much.
      • karolisonline, on 09/23/2008, -2/+5"name one country on the entire f'ing planet that is MORE free than the U.S"

        m... entire EU? Switzerland? and what about Holland???
      • coolremo, on 09/24/2008, -0/+3Also Israel. It may be America's puppet but the people there have more freedom than in the U.S.

        *waits for reply saying that Israel occupied the Palestinians' land.
    • skeptic99, on 09/24/2008, -0/+0I have to agree with the respondents, life has changed very little in terms of liberties. We are very far from perfect but your Uncle is yanking your chain regarding loss of liberty.
    • seraph582, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1Your uncle clearly doesn't want you to come over here. It's actually quite blissful aside from all the noise the whining babies that are crying about the other party's presidential candidate. The biggest industries over here are entertainment, and we're all very entertained and care free.

      Food's cheap, transportation is cheap, jobs are easy to find - sure things have taken a small downturn recently, but nobody can really say it's not just natural considering nothing is good forever - there have to be dips every now and then no matter what.

      It's not a big deal, and the sky isn't falling. I sure wish we could get a fiscally responsible presidential candidate though. It's a shame RP got bumped off. It looks like we'll have to be a little tighter with our money, but we'll still be fat, happy, employed fools throughout the whole thing.
  • carabou, on 09/23/2008, -13/+16Funny how i am DAM proud of the good old USA! tuff times, but as a country we wil get past this and stand tall once again... dont believe me? take a look at history, and IT ALWAYS works out in the end!
    • happydaysz, on 09/23/2008, -0/+7You said it! high five!
    • sockpuppets, on 09/23/2008, -6/+20I'm sure the Romans said the same thing.
      • billbugger, on 09/23/2008, -1/+2you beat me... soo true!
        hopefully we won't go down that same apathetic path.
        An empire must be conquered from the inside before it can be conquered from the outside.
      • EvilGunOwner, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1The Roman Republic and later, Empire, fell not because the "Barbarians", people who didn't speak Latin, got stronger. It fell because the Romans forgot what it meant to be Roman just as Americans started to forget what it means to be American at least since post-World War II. Avarice, apathy, laziness, and complacency extremely bad for an advanced civilization.
      • shig, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1They still do. Oh, you're talking like there are no more Romans! I'm sorry, I'm not privy to any such historical event.
      • seraph582, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1Rome fell because all of its citizens voted for benefits they did not want to pay for.
    • rsHoratio, on 09/23/2008, -1/+3agreed
    • akamurph, on 09/23/2008, -0/+6"The rest of the world have been betting against America for 200 years and have all lost" - Bill Clinton, on David Letterman last night.
    • Rudegar, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4yeah that was the general feeling when Hernán Cortés genocided the native Americans too i guess :S
    • gheath87, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4Arrogance will put keep the USA in a downward spiral. This country needed this crisis to help set us straight again. Getting a mortgage for 2x the amount you could afford can't be a long-term happy plan. This country was founded on crazy "common sense" - not irrational beliefs that everyone can own a 4,000 sq. foot home. We need balance in everything - including immigration. The Romans got gredy and didn't adjust - learn from history!
      • carabou, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1thank you for your common sense my friend!
    • kingmanic, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1US history is pretty short. I highly doubt this is the end of it but you need to take a critical look at the political and economic landscape. The American government has been kneecapping the American people for a long long time now.
      • apextek, on 09/23/2008, -0/+1ill make my decision on that statement after the election
    • Choop, on 09/23/2008, -2/+1Amen to Gheath and Carabou!!

      AMERICA, ***** YEAH!!
      • carabou, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1Wow the Digg filters didnt kick out the word Amen!
        Good to know there are a few good people left!


        usa usa usa usa usa!
  • duthel, on 09/23/2008, -8/+14Honestly, I still don't understand what are all this Immigration Lottery still on the Internet? Irish, Germans, Italians and many other applies to return back home that for example Ireland has not enough housing actually available.
    For me..:-) you can give me and my entire family a free Visa even US Passport and 100.000 US starting capital we would not move one steep to go voluntary to the USA. This is not only because I believe Bush and his cronies a legally war criminals, but because what kind of social security the peoples in the US have? Look at the place after all this hurricanes. Who provided any help? Bush like more keep on with his Bin Laden Movie and the fools who believe, send 4500 US Soldiers in death, then help the peoples at home. If I look at the US, there are many stuff I really like, but move there..? No thanks
    • DonQueso, on 09/23/2008, -5/+8ok. great. stay right where you're at. we won't mind.

      • writie, on 09/28/2008, -0/+1That's exactly what this article is saying: people are staying away. People from university students, to ordinary Joes and tourists. It's not the biggest deal in the world. But if I was American, I'd give it a few minutes thought.
    • carabou, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1see hya in another life. If you believe all that crap you just spewed out than stay away! Almost all of your twisted logic is junk!My father recieves about 1600 per month from SS and an additional 1345 from Veterans benifits AND lives in the VA because he faught in the war and is getting great care! but some dolt that sliped through the cracks pumps a ***** bbc story about how ***** our land is and you believe him? Also the fact that you use cronie next to bush showes me you are just a sucker to what the FAR left wants you to hear. That is not the majority oppinion of the left! people are carring people just like the right, but the extream of both sides causes people like you to think all is bad when this is still LAND OF THE FREE BABY!


      USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA
    • kingm1k3, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1George Bush doesn't like black people.
  • alpha94, on 09/23/2008, -6/+15Wow, some true colours coming out in these comments.
    • pintomp3, on 09/23/2008, -4/+14the xenophobes believe god created america for the exclusive use of white male christians.
  • pathouston22, on 09/23/2008, -3/+33America has it's issues, but theres very few other places in the world I would like to live the rest of my life - and they have issues too.

    The American dream is still available here if you apply yourself.
    • lilhelper, on 09/23/2008, -0/+7Yes it is!
    • DonQueso, on 09/23/2008, -3/+5pssst....no one wants to hear that! just say the country is going down the ***** and say we deserve it....
    • ultraseamus, on 09/23/2008, -0/+4Glad someone said it, the dream is not instant easy wealth, it is the possibility. If you have the talent and drive then your success is up to you (not many countries can say that). People say America is becoming crap, but they are just comparing it to a non existent perfect country (or for some odd reason, Canada). The system makes it hard to get in, but if you are an intelligent person and you put effort into it it is possible, some of the world's most successful, admired people have been immigrants to America. But bashing America is still the cool thing to do, and I am guessing it will be until we are no longer the top world power (which will probably not take long).
    • rupaw, on 09/23/2008, -0/+7The problem is not that America has it's issues. You're right: most other nations have their challenges. The problem is that there are very self-destructive forces in Washington at work who just don't get it. Pride and arrogance came before the fall.
      The tragedy with America is that most of the current pain is self-inflicted. The USA lost it's name in the world. The terrorists succeeded because the US government unconsciously magnified their impact thousand-fold.
  • PEMDAS, on 09/23/2008, -1/+17Immigrants still see America as a Land of Prosperity, according to my buddies who came here to fund their families back home. While they would, without hesitation, agree that America's not what it used to be, and that its facing some pressing economic challenges, they wouldn't say that the sun of Prosperity has set for the USA.
    • DonQueso, on 09/23/2008, -0/+6Psst......no one wants to hear that! they want to hear how the us is going down the ***** and bush and co. are to blame. if you're not going to say anything like that it's best you don't say it.
    • kigcoopa84, on 09/23/2008, -4/+9Maybe your buddies who are funding there family back home are the helping slow the economy
  • leladax, on 09/23/2008, -12/+7when I was kid I loved to be in America. now I don't want to go even if the trip was paid.
    • DonQueso, on 09/23/2008, -5/+5good. stay where you're at. just out of curiosity.....where are you at? let's discuss how great your country is.
      • vxp19, on 09/23/2008, -3/+3Are you that insecure that you need to talk about "Y" when the subject is "X"?
      • DonQueso, on 09/23/2008, -2/+2I just disagree with the article. and i'm curious about where someone lives who wouldn't even come to the us if it was a free trip. must be a really great place.
  • Jasuus, on 09/23/2008, -20/+32if obama loses, my wife and I are moving to Canada.

    I can't continue to watch my taxes get spent on war and anti-abortion campaigns.
    • Hetman, on 09/23/2008, -3/+23Good luck, I hope you and your wife have a speacilized field of work, or lots of money. Because Canada's immigration laws are much stricter than ours.
    • mzx639, on 09/23/2008, -16/+23Why don't you leave now? The truth is, like most liberals, you are ALL TALK, you aren't going to move anywhere. But you should go to Canada, so you can pay 65% is taxes for a failing health care system.
      • pintomp3, on 09/23/2008, -7/+11failing? you mean the one that's ranked higher than the US?
        http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
      • kigcoopa84, on 09/23/2008, -3/+4My work's Internet filter says it best: BLOCKED; Category ENTERTAINMENT not allowed
      • alpha19, on 09/23/2008, -5/+6@pintomp3: In who's opinion? Michael Moore's? Lol...
      • brownsound00, on 09/23/2008, -3/+5yeah... it's alot better then the US.
      • stuffradio, on 09/23/2008, -3/+6The Canadian health system IS better than the Americans. Any American is going to read this and automatically bury me because you haven't experienced it.

        We don't have to pay an arm and a leg for medical stuff here.
      • viper001, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2Mzx639, you're full of *****. Have you even been to Canada? The hospitals, even in the middle of the Toronto ghetto, are very nice... not to mention free. And don't even start with the "long wait" *****, I've actually had to wait longer in a US hospital.

        And I've lived in Canada all my life, so it's no "michael moore talking point"
      • seraph582, on 09/24/2008, -0/+3Uh hello, your own health minister got busted for running a private clinic - oh and there are millions of canadians living near the american border that pay for and use private american healthcare. FOR A REASON.
      • mzx639, on 09/24/2008, -2/+2Hey, *****- "The hospitals, even in the middle of the Toronto ghetto, are very nice... not to mention free."

        Free? Free?? FREE?? Hey, idiot, YOU PAY FOR THAT "FREE" HOSPITAL!! It's called TAXES!!!! This is what you liberal socialists just don't get, NOTHING IS FREE! You idiots just don't see the big picture!
    • badqat, on 09/23/2008, -4/+14I'd go ahead and make your arrangements now...it'll save you some time when he loses.
    • DonQueso, on 09/23/2008, -5/+15lol. cya. you'll love how your taxes are spent there, i'm sure. just go now? oh....and what makes you think canada will want you?
    • kigcoopa84, on 09/23/2008, -2/+17you would rather see them spent on increased government and socialist policies, in addition to the war Obama wouldn't end any sooner than McCain? By all means, please move to Canada
      • BabyWookie, on 09/23/2008, -1/+3They are better spent on real socialist policies, such as the UHC, than the corporate socialist (fascist) policies of Bush and McCain.
      • kigcoopa84, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1do you just ignore everything obama says? He would be doing the same thing
    • jayscot, on 09/23/2008, -4/+16Need any help packing?
    • akamurph, on 09/23/2008, -9/+21If obama wins, my wife and I are moving to Canada.

      I can't have 'so much more' of my taxes get spent on lazy people who sit on their asses all day while I go to work every day.
      • Jasuus, on 09/23/2008, -10/+6last year my wife and i paid 500k in taxes. im not afraid of paying more...its what it goes to that bothers me. Republicans are always for "small government"...but then they outspend libs 2 to 1 or even worse on various corporate or military welfare projects.

        why dont people understand that unless you make over 250k/year, you are shooting yourself in the foot voting republican - you simply wont benefit from their policies.
      • kigcoopa84, on 09/23/2008, -3/+6"why dont people understand that unless you make over 250k/year, you are shooting yourself in the foot voting republican" What Obama's plan on unlimited increases in other payroll taxes such as social security and Medicare, that effects people who don't make enough to pay taxes.
      • BabyWookie, on 09/23/2008, -1/+5That doesn't even make sense. You don't like the potential increase in social welfare spending and you're going to move to a country with even bigger social welfare spending? Typical right-winger logic. LOL.
      • seraph582, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2@Jasuus - repubs haven't been about "small gov't" since Reagan. Where have you been? Both sides, repubs and dems, are all about rewriting the constitution and bulking up federal power.
      • mahadiga, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2In any society Lazy people are desirable.
        Otherwise they will turn into Criminals.
    • uppitydiggers, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4Yes, because stopping the wars is on Obama's list of things to do. It's right under step up troops to Afghanistan, and keep troops in Iraq indefinitely.

      Lucky you. That means you can actually start packing now, and not even bother waiting for the election.
    • AresDiggs, on 09/23/2008, -0/+10When did Americans start talking like this? saying if my team loses i will give up and move away... wtf? no you work harder to change things and make this country better...
      • stuffradio, on 09/23/2008, -0/+3Kekekekeke
      • mzx639, on 09/24/2008, -0/+2Because those aren't real Americans saying that! They are traitors and hate America! That's why they support a Presidential candidate like Obama that also hates America and wants to 'CHANGE' the US into a socialist state.
    • joncannon, on 09/23/2008, -4/+7Good, we don't need anymore people quitting on our country.
    • tdamore, on 09/23/2008, -1/+4Good riddance
    • GatorUSMC, on 09/23/2008, -1/+3Can I have your gold and gear?
    • Dred, on 09/24/2008, -1/+2Save us some time and move now.
    • carabou, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1hey bozo, i would love to help you move, i would even foot part of the bill!
    • itstodd, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1why wait. get the F out now.
  • Brownds, on 09/23/2008, -3/+5I guess Mexico did not get the memo...
    • TheTruthHurts, on 09/24/2008, -2/+2i guess your ignorant
      • Brownds, on 09/24/2008, -1/+1Ummm ok you obviously don't live in a border state, maybe you are on the side that thinks American tax payers should support Mexican citizens or maybe you like Americans paying unfair slave wages for work. FYI you should research how Mexico treats non-Mexicans along their southern border before you call out ignorance. As your name would imply I would think you would want to know the truth before you blather nonsense. Education can go a long way you should try to get the facts. You can't just get by with a pretty face chika. Oh and please explain to me the positive impact of Mexican Illegal immigration on the United States? Besides maybe finding someone to clean up after me for $2 an hour
    • wakeuptime, on 09/24/2008, -0/+1I guess you should leave also. the truth hurts, yea for you freeloading criminals
  • Beefsupreme88, on 09/23/2008, -2/+2Good! Maybe instead of running away from their own countries they will stay and actually work towards making their country a better place.
  • Ramenhood, on 09/23/2008, -2/+4Except we're still better than Mexico!
  • kolyana, on 09/23/2008, -1/+9I emigrated here in '98 from England, seeing it as a 'bright land of opportunity'; it was always a dream for me, something since early childhood, so when I finally got over here I was literally crying with joy.

    Now? 10 years on? The place has been in steady decline and getting even more off-base, seemingly with a contingent of people hellbent on either corrupting and stealing from what is left, or accepting it with blind apathy. It's really - from an immigrants point of view - quite sad.

    I do, however, have continual hope that things will turn around. We may never again be a great empire, but I certainly hope that things will get better - at least pointed in the right direction.
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