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Illegals shock, suffocate, slit throats in U.S.

worldnetdaily.com — A showdown over drug money between suspected Mexican illegal aliens in Alabama ended with four men in prison and four shipped back to Mexico in body bags. Three suspected illegal aliens from Mexico and another man have been arrested and charged with capital murder for electrocuting, stabbing, suffocating and beating five men to death.

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congresssucks, on 08/28/2008, -2/+16I was wondering when someone was going to write about our Open Borders Policy costing far more American Lives in one year than the entire Iraqi War. Do you think the Bush Administration or Congress cares? So someone tell me again why voting them out is not using common sense.
- wilgeno, on 08/28/2008, -0/+14Because voting for Obama/Biden is even worse.
  
  And voting for McCain/???? is almost as bad.
  
  When will the people of this country learn to vote for true Conservatives.
  
  Vote Conservative
  http://www.wilgeno.com
- DrReaper, on 08/28/2008, -0/+10We need to elect leaders that will support the constitution and not just pay lip service to it.
- MarineVeteran1, on 08/28/2008, -0/+9Bush, Clinton, Bush (Sr.) Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ all have had a hand in this. So will the next idiot that occupies the WH.
  
  However, the U.S. Supreme Court also is to blame for their refusal to look at the premise of the 14th Amendment. That amendment was created to deal with 'stateless' persons born in the U.S. due to the 3/5ths clause in the Constitution, specifically, former slaves. In order for a person to vote and to have other rights one had to be a 'citizen' of a state. The 14th amendment did that, making former slaves a 'citizen' or 'whole person' legally of the U.S., thus countermanding many 'Jim Crow laws of the South. It had nothing to do with immigrants (legal or otherwise). Sadly, the Supreme Court ignored history and intent, and in so doing, unknowingly undermined U.S. security by refusing to rule on original intent when faced with deciding the Constitutionality of federal or state laws that try to enforce that original intent. In fact, the 14th was based in a technical legal premise, not the 1960's social engineering bullsh*t that we are dealing with today.
klesb, on 08/28/2008, -0/+18There is a well-understood political maxim - "Follow the Money!"

Especially since September 11, 2001, both major parties have had the ability to secure Our borders in war time - when Our very national security is on the line after the loss of thousands of Our citizens - and they have not! Why would both major parties either separately, or bilaterally, not have ordered the Guard to the borders, and used all necessary force to essentially stop any ingress, except through legal crossing points? What, except massive bribes from the drug and cheap labor industries, could prevent the representatives We hired from carrying out their constitutional duties to defend the States from foreign invasion? In 1916, the National Guard and the Army went into Mexico because Pancho Villa invaded Columbus, NM. Where are they now?

Listen to a third party candidate, Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate speak on this issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WJynIeWkf4

Do not wait for Our conservative "leaders" (joke), like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity to support Our only hope for getting back control of Our national sovereignty! They will not even mention Baldwin's name or compare his positions with those of McC or O. These "leaders" might be excluded from the country clubs! Do not expect Jorge W. Bush to do anything (could they have incriminating pictures from his youthful drinking days across our border in Mexican border town's "Zona Rojas"?). Both major party candidates are guaranteeing amnesty to those here illegally!

Vote major party and expect different results? Are We the People insane? We have a legitimate option this year - tell your friends - the only people telling Us a third party candidate can't win are beholden to the major party system of dividing the spoils (your tax money)! Does the name Jesse Ventura not remind Us that We can elect a thirdparty candidate when Our disgust level rises high enough. What more will it take for YOU?
- soofan, on 08/28/2008, -0/+3It's obvious you don't listen to Rush or Sean, they have not backed any candidate and are not in love with McCain. Sean has been to the border numerous times and has led the charge to stop the last "amnesty" bill they tried to pass.
  We have all the laws on the books needed to correct the problem. Enforcing them is necessary.
lajaw, on 08/28/2008, -0/+17Presidential candidates McAmnesty and Obamanation will not do anything to stem the tide of illegals in this country. It's time to vote third party folks.
kemojr, on 08/28/2008, -0/+15With the lowest rated Congress in history and with both the current candidates weak on immigration law enforcement, do you really think something will be done about the problem. Our current bunch of politicians are as tone deaf to the will of the majority of Americans as a dumb brick so if they will not hew to the will of the people, we need to fire them. Blind guides cannot lead this country.
- IvoteGOAfirst, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2They're not blind. They know EXACTLY what they're doing; they're just ignoring us as usual. Why? They're all in bed with the CFR/SPP New World Order utopian elites like Soros, Rockefellers, Clinton/Bush and foreign dynasties both here and abroad. Don't think so? Check out Obama's and McCain's voting records in the Senate vs. what they're trying to fool the people into swallowing now for votes!
gmarie624, on 08/28/2008, -0/+20"12 Americans are murdered every day by illegal immigrants." Sounds like terrorism to me!
- ccso8462, on 08/28/2008, -1/+5Oh, surely not! And if it is it is all Bush's fault. The immigrants are really good people they just want a better life. They are so misunderstood. - official liberal-approved speech
  
  Let's set up a 1 mile wide free-fire zone on the border and kill everything that moves in it. We can later round up the illegals and use them as slave labor to build a fence out of the bleached bones of their compadres. - official non-PC speech
  - michael4lsu, on 08/28/2008, -1/+6You think Bush is innocent in all of this? He REFUSED to secure our borders for 7 years after 9-11, even against the will of the vast majority of Americans. Bush's loyalty is to the globalism elitists, to open borders, to a North American Union, to fraudulent "Free Trade" agreements that dissolve our borders and weaken our economy. Speaking out against Bush does not automatically make you a liberal just because he is a "Republican" and supposedly a "Conservative".
  - victorypup, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4That mug shot looks like a friend of Johnny Sutton, The shrubs close friend in the prosecutors office, you know, the guy who locks up law enforcement personnel for stopping drug dealers. Have these guys call Johnny, he'll give them immunity so they can testify against their accusers. These guys are home free, back out on the street in no time to run more drugs and engage in murder and mayhem, thanks to friends of George. Hey what do ya say?
    
    from another thread
linuxdad, on 08/28/2008, -0/+212/3 of the people in prison are illegal aliens mostly from the invading country of Mexico.
1.Build the fence
2.Charge the Mexican government a housing fee for each and ever illegal invader, especially those animals in jail
3. Cut freebies, no more services, noe more scholls, no more anchor babies!
- ccso8462, on 08/28/2008, -0/+10Well said!
  - AThoughtOrTwo, on 08/28/2008, -0/+8Amen!
- irisheyes1169, on 08/28/2008, -0/+9May I add;
  
  4. Step up border security, increase National Guard with orders to shot to defend it
tradcath4ever, on 08/28/2008, -0/+11If two out of three people that are in prison are illegals, then we know where a huge number of them are--So, when their time is done, deport them and make Mexico pay the transportation fee. Create a database of their fingerprints, DNA, etc. and if they come back again, deport them immediately and bill Mexico. It will take a little while for this to spread by word of mouth, but, it WILL spread.
- ccso8462, on 08/28/2008, -1/+8How about if they come back again, execute them immediately and charge the Mexican govt. for shipping their worthless carcasses back? Heck, let's charge them for the cost of execution, too!
- Theory1, on 08/28/2008, -0/+2The only thing is, how will the U.S. government "make" Mexico pay?
  - irisheyes1169, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4Just sending Mexico a bill would be such a SHOCK to them, since they EXPECT the usual appeasement, pandering and *** kissing.
  - IvoteGOAfirst, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2Cut off the money spigot to Mexico; they can't make it without U.S. kickbacks.
spinningplates2, on 08/28/2008, -8/+1These crimes are terrible and require the death penalty. But to title the article, "Jobs Americans won't do." is race baiting. It is sad but the United States have many evil people born as citizens. There is no need to bolster the argument with race.
- AThoughtOrTwo, on 08/28/2008, -0/+7"American" is not a race. It is an identity, a national origin and a feeling of "belonging." But we Americans come in all colors, sizes, creeds and everything else.
  We have a few "evil" people - mostly in politics and law. But not "many".
sbernie, on 08/28/2008, -0/+9Building a fence is not going to help. Instead of empire building, we need to bring our military home from around the world and put them on our borders with the orders "shoot to kill" anyone who tries to enter this country illegally. Maybe that is harsh, how about arrest them at the border give them a fair trial by a jury of their peers, people who have immigrated legally to this country and then send them back or execute them. There are two things that putting our military on the borders would do. It would scare the average Mexican citizen out of trying to enter into the U.S. illegally and stop the Federales from cross our borders.
I don't expect our government to do that, because we are on a one way street to regional government and finally world government.
- ccso8462, on 08/28/2008, -0/+7Killing invading terroristic forces is NOT harsh, it is realistic. And of course, being a realistic thing to do, I also do not count on our government doing it.
- AThoughtOrTwo, on 08/28/2008, -2/+2If you had only left the war out of it, I would have dugg you! What you had to say NEEDS to be said and DONE! But, we are almost done in both those God-forsaken places, so let's just finish it for once since WWII.
  - michael4lsu, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4What did he say that was wrong? Do you actually believe our military should be spread out in over 30 countries, working for the neo-cons and their New World Order to enslave us all to a socialist, global oligarchy instead of actually defending our own country?
  - AThoughtOrTwo, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4No. But I do believe 'the job' in Iraq is almost over. I think we should hold out there just a little bit longer before we pull the plug. I would like to see us WIN one for a change.
    I do agree that many of our tropps SHOULD come home. We don't need and THEY don't want us there. (I would also love to see if Germany's economy tanks when we leave.)
  - victorypup, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1My thought on the war in Iraq is that it isn't even started yet. With the Bush administration actively arming the Palestinian terrorist I should expect that phase two of this fiasco should be under way before long.
SOLGAARD, on 08/28/2008, -1/+10Soon, law abiding citizens, are just gonna start cappin' Mexicans.
- ccso8462, on 08/28/2008, -0/+9Just remember, the ones that jumped through the hoops and came here legally to become Americans are part of the good guys. We just need to cap the illegals.
  - thomas7, on 08/28/2008, -1/+2Good point, One which the liberals would rather we not make!
- MarineVeteran1, on 08/28/2008, -1/+6Bingo.
  
  Click.
- michael4lsu, on 08/28/2008, -1/+7...especially if those illegal aliens start looting after Hurricane Gustav strikes. There are a lot of illegal aliens still down here for the rebuilding from Katrina.
DrReaper, on 08/28/2008, -2/+8The sooner we realize we can never win the war on drugs the better. Why waste so much money on a loosing system. End the war on drugs, tax the drugs at a state level and run ads showing what drugs can do to people. Get the federal government out of it! The war on drugs is nothing more than another prohibition. Why are we listening to them anyway? They have sacrificed our jobs and out national defense by moving our jobs overseas. They have run us up in massive debt. I for one think we should kick them out, they are a bunch of bums. They have burdened the system with so much red tape the Constitution doesn't even work anymore. I think they are the ones on drugs!!! They are drunk on power!
- michael4lsu, on 08/28/2008, -0/+5I agree. The war on drugs is a farce being used to provide funding and power to the New World Order elite. The high drug prices allow drug trade to be highly profitable for the CIA and other New World Order black-ops organizations, and the war on drugs helps provide justification for growing the unconstitutional Police State and Big Brother. Tobacco kills 350,000/year, alcohol kills 100,000/year, and drug abuse kills 3,600, yet we are spending hundreds of billions on this campaign against our liberty and freedom. We are paying for our own enslavement.
  
  Ron Paul has been warning us about this for years. See his reasoning for removing this power from our tyrannical, unconstitutional Federal Government: http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/legal_issues_of_drug ...
- AThoughtOrTwo, on 08/28/2008, -2/+2I agree with you - but dugg you down because this article isn't about the 'war on drugs.'
  - victorypup, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4Illegal alien drug dealers are most certainly part of the 'war on drugs' issue.
  - MaynardJK, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4This is just as much about the "War on drugs" as it is about illegal immigration. The black market for drugs is what caused this whole ***** in the first place. If the drug dealers had property rights, they could have taken the guys to court over the money they stole rather than having to have them killed.
viejoverde, on 08/28/2008, -0/+5i am sure these would have been in the group mc cain wanted to give amnesty to. another reason to put up with socialist obama for 4 years so we can finally clean house in 2012.
- michael4lsu, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4People should have already woken up enough to elect a 3rd party candidate in 2008. It is still possible though!
TxMagi, on 08/28/2008, -2/+0My confidence in my fellow man ebbs further and further every day. All these calls for executions and "shoot to kill', leaves one to wonder if we're not just a pack of blood thirsty animals. I agree that there should be a stronger policy against illegal immigration, but executions? As for crime, it has existed in this country from its inception, and will most likely continue until its demise. There are more than enough American criminals as well. Shall we start executing them all, from murderers, rapists, drug dealers to crooked politicians, embezzlers and computer hackers? By the way, what incentive would Mexico have for paying for the return of dead bodies or for the US incarcerating their citizens? Do other countries bill the US for the crimes committed in their countries by our citizens or our elected officials.
- AThoughtOrTwo, on 08/28/2008, -0/+5I think you are missing an important part of this debate. That the average American citizen is even THINKING of vigilante justice to get the job done "that Congress won't do" speaks to the utter and complete FRUSTRATION of these citizens.
  No American minded a FEW illegals that managed to overstay their visas or a FEW illegal migrant workers and that is WHY we have this problem. The trickle became a flood. And that flood brings with it not just the reasonably good people but the crooks, criminals and gangs. And the ONLY WAY to stop crooks, criminals and gangs is to *speak their language to them* - and THAT, my friend, is violence.
  - MarineVeteran1, on 08/28/2008, -0/+4Damned right.
  - IvoteGOAfirst, on 08/29/2008, -0/+1"And that flood brings with it not just the reasonably good people but the crooks, criminals and gangs."
    
    You forgot to add "disease!"
- AThoughtOrTwo, on 08/28/2008, -0/+5PS - If we succeed in 'taking out' some of the more terrible of our own crooks, criminals and gangs - it would just be a bonus.
- Christianptriot, on 08/28/2008, -0/+5It is easy for all of us to make these comments and claims - until the crime scene is our own commuity, local school - or living room.
  
  There should be NO amnesty and a lot more chalk outlines as a deterrent to crime in general.
SamMcPhy, on 08/28/2008, -0/+11From the article:
"Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to 2006 statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens – more than the U.S. death toll of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. That's more than 30,000 Americans killed by illegal aliens since Sept. 11, 2001."

The Bush administration prosecutes and puts our Border Patrol Agents in prison when they shoot at an illegal immigrant drug smuggler who points a gun at them. And also has rules in place to to effectively prevent the Border Patrol from actually closing the border. It certainly appears many in high U.S. government positions are bought and paid for by the Mexican drug cartels.
- victorypup, on 08/28/2008, -0/+7It certainly does.
- DrReaper, on 08/28/2008, -0/+7The media has fail us yet again. I am thinking they are part of the problem.
KCLorelei39, on 08/28/2008, -0/+9We're being invaded. Defend yourselves from the invaders. What's so difficult to comprehend about it?

We have Mexican neighbors that seem to be nice, on the surface....but they aided and abetted aother Mexican neighbor family, illegals that were running drugs until the local cops were about to arrest the whole lot of them, father, sons, and wives. There were about 15 people living in a 3 bedroom single family home. They trashed the house, left a bunch of broken down vehicles behind, and tried to talk yet another neighbor (not Mexican) into disposing of the vehicles for them, via title transfers from Mexico, where they returned to lay low for awhile before planning to re-invade America elsewhere for further drug dealings.

Nice family, huh? The "nice" Mexicans were quite friendly with the obviously criminal Mexicans. They are currently storing a lot of their household goods to await the criminals' re-invasion.
haltonrayburn, on 08/28/2008, -0/+3
Glenn Spencer of American Border Patrol posted a video on the Republican National Committee Web site that calls on the committee to adopt his Operation 20/20, a plan to secure the border. (Watch)
haltonrayburn, on 08/28/2008, -0/+6Trust But Verify -- Spencer Calls on McCain to Flesh Out Border Plan

American Border Patrol – 8/28/08

Glenn Spencer of American Border Patrol posted a video on the Republican National Committee Web site that calls on the committee to adopt his Operation 20/20, a plan to secure the border. (Watch)

Text of video:

My name is Glenn Spencer. I live in Arizona. I have a ranch here – right on the border. This is Border Monument 98, in the middle of a major smuggling corridor. These flags, three thousand of them, were put here by American Border Patrol, an organization, a non-profit, that I run. Each one of them has a message from an American citizen asking that our border be secure.

In the 1950s, President Eisenhower, a man who knew an invasion when he saw one, cracked down on illegal immigration and cut the number of apprehensions down to less than 35,000. Today, John McCain says he will secure the border before addressing the illegal immigration amnesty or comprehensive immigration reform issue. It is time that John McCain flesh out his promises. It is time that he define what he means.

When President Eisenhower cut the number of apprehensions across our border to less than 35,000, he had one tenth the border patrol agents. He did not have the UAVs. He did not have the fences. He did not have the technology. And, yet, he got the job done.

We believe that John McCain should reduce the number of apprehensions, or people crossing the border and getting past the Border Patrol to less than 20,000. We believe he should also maintain the level for twenty months. This is what we call Operation 20/20.

We hope that the Republican National Committee will adopt Operation 20/20, a plan that will secure the border in a way than can be verified.

President Reagan said a nation without a border is not a nation. President Reagan also said trust but verify. We want to trust John McCain but we want to verify that he is keeping his promise.

American Border Patrol is a non-profit corporation that I run that I have run here on the border for six years. We fly the border every month from Fabens Texas to San Diego California and document, from an aircraft, every inch of the border and what is happening. I can tell you that the government is not keeping its promise.

We are prepared to do the same job under a McCain administration. We’re going to do the same job under any administration. But the Republican National Committee must flesh out this promise by John McCain. To do so would, I believe, help the Republicans maintain the White House.

Thank you.
- IvoteGOAfirst, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2"Today, John McCain says he will secure the border before addressing the illegal immigration amnesty or comprehensive immigration reform issue."
  
  Yeah, he'll do that all right.....right after he legalizes (amnesty) all the 20-30,000 illegal aliens already here! Then they can bring in all their relatives to "do the jobs Americans won't do." That'll be his excuse. That's HIS plan though he's not fool enough to state it before the lever is pulled in the voting booth this November. Count on it.
- ccso8462, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2Back in the '50's they called a spade a spade. Operation Wetback was a huge success. I don't think anything today called Operation Undocumented Guest Worker will have much of an effect.
downs1, on 08/28/2008, -0/+8I love America. I was born at the end of the depression and grew up in America. I have known poverty and I have known success. I went to school in America from grade school through college and post graduate school. I served in the US Air Force for 24 years. My wife and I raised our 4 children in America and they love America also .
Do I have anything against America? Yes! Many Americans have become self-centered and apathetic and do not appreciate what they have. As a nation, we have what we do because at one time we had clear moral standards and people were willing to stand up and fight for our God given rights. Today, we kill our babies in their mothers' wombs, we no longer educate, rather we indoctrinate our young into liberalism and teach them it is OK to live an "alternate lifestyle," even if that lifestyle may well kill you. Today, there are those who were born here, were educated here, work here (some in lucrative jobs), but who hate America, some to the point of trying to bring it down by violence (e.g. William Ayres et al).
The government is too lenient on those who profess and confess to hate America. After all, we can't stifle "free speech!" We can't trample on "academic freedom!" The government is too lenient on those who enter illegally for the purpose of harming us. The government is too soft and corrupt to take firm action against those who enter as "exchange students" from Islamic countries, but whose true purpose is to eventually destroy us. We are an open society and as such there are increased dangers built into the system. All the more reason to be extremely vigilant and harsh when our laws are violated. If people from other countries know without a doubt that they will be severely dealt with if they enter illegally and commit crimes, that is a deterrent. This doesn't happen when we merely slap their wrists and send them home, only to have them return a week or a month later. If people know that the citizenry is authorized to bear arms for self protection, they will be less likely to commit crimes.
What is the problem? Why can't we do this? We can't do this because 1) many people simply do not want to see the threat, 2) some people are afraid of retaliation by the bad guys, 3) some local government officials and some people at the federal level are being paid off by those involved in illegal drug activity or other crimes and they will not take the action that is needed, 4) the US government doesn't want to create problems with the Mexican government or Canadian government.
The city of San Francisco is a prime example of local government abrogating its responsibility to protect its citizens. What can you expect from liberals who hate America and who grew up hating authority. What is happening is that the nation is more and more divided, and the unity we profess in our founding documents is no more. This group hates that group, liberals hate conservatives, gays hate straights, unions hate management, religion is scorned and active efforts are underway by the ACLU, People for the American Way, People for the Separation of Church and State, and myriads of other special interest groups to remove God from our society. Perhaps these fools should listen to what Jesus said, "A nation divided against itself cannot stand." A glance at history proves this statement many times over. However, when this nation does collapse, as it will, these fools will rush around wanting someone to "do something!" They mocked God, they threw away multiple opportunities for their own spiritual peace and security by embracing their own idolatry and rejecting the only way to the thing they deeply want the most. Still, they did and do nothing to those illegals who kill our people, nor did they do anything to prevent the bad guys from bringing in drugs to destroy our society. Furthermore, they seek to elect people who make lofty promises but who can't deliver, they hobble and assassinate the characters of the ones who have tried to help and who have made progress.
When you come right down to it, it's difficult to tell the good guys from the bad guys! The Bible is correct when it says, "All have sinned!"
IvoteGOAfirst, on 08/29/2008, -0/+2The way I see it is that we're all guilty of one thing or another. But, the greatest collective guilt most of us share is compromising our consciences and integrity by continuing to vote in the past for the lesser of two evils, whether out of fear of some projected doom foisted upon us by one of the candidates or just not wanting the other candidate to get the brass ring, thereby continuously perpetuating greater evil.

Wake up America! Forget about party loyalty! Vote for whom you think will make the greatest President - one who will govern strictly according to our USA Constitution and sovereignty as the greatest Nation - whether it's a 3rd-party candidate or a write-in. Personally, unless he publicly endorses another candidate, my write-in will be for President Ron Paul 2008!
- haltonrayburn, on 08/31/2008, -0/+0Wake up America! Forget about party loyalty! Vote for whom you think will make the greatest President - one who will govern strictly according to our USA Constitution and sovereignty as the greatest Nation - whether it's a 3rd-party candidate or a write-in. Personally, unless he publicly endorses another candidate, my write-in will be for President Ron Paul 2008!
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