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- Hillsfar, on 01/09/2009, -43/+183They're already going to be deported and they are already illegally in the country. It's not like they should get to stay just because their lawyer made a minor mistake. Why EXPENSIVELY delay the inevitable?
- inactive, on 01/09/2009, -48/+149The Constitution was written for the CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES. It's that simple, no ifs, ands, or buts, about it. If you're not a citizen, then you are not entitled to rights of a citizen.
- RespectableGuy, on 01/09/2009, -57/+146ILLEGAL aliens don't deserve anything but a boot out of the country.
- gordonf238, on 01/09/2009, -6/+62To be honest, most people in the US do not realize the difficult path to a green card. Immigration lawyers are one of the sleaziest scumbags around. They rip-off gullible and hopeless immigrants time and time again. My parents have gone through about half a dozen immigration attorneys, and after 12 years have finally been granted a green card. I won't preach here, but these ***** make plenty of mistakes, and mostly look to rip-off uninformed immigrants who put their faith and money into these lawyers expecting them to do the right thing. I really don't know how these guys can sleep at night.
- johnnick, on 01/09/2009, -17/+73Although this seems unfair, right now an individual who is subject to deportation proceedings does not have a Constitutional right to a lawyer (ie, the government doesn't have to provide one if the person can't afford one). So, allowing people who hire lawyers to get a second chance because of their lawyer's error creates a divide between those deportees who can afford lawyers and those deportees who can't. The richer deportees not only get the advice of a lawyer during the process, but, under the old rule would get a chance to appeal based on their lawyer's error that those deportees who represented themselves would not have. The Attorney General's decision removes an advantage available to those who can afford to hire their own attorney.
Hopefully, this will lead to a debate over whether individuals who are subject to a deportation hearing should be _entitled_ to a lawyer, since immigration law is confusing and frequently inconsistently interpreted, and those who are subject to deportation are usually the people who need a lawyer the most and can afford it the least. If Congress or the courts were to determine that potential deportees were entitled to a lawyer, then the Attorney General's ruling would likely be moot. - Issius, on 01/09/2009, -10/+50You all need to RTFA. It says nothing about illegal aliens. It states that aliens (LEGAL ones) do not have an option to dispute the outcome of a deportation trial if their lawyer makes a mistake. I agree that illegals shouldn't get anything but for those who do come here legally, they should be offered the same rights as U.S. citizens.
- MJPana, on 01/09/2009, -36/+75why even waste taxpayer money on trials for these people. no ID, no green card, NO TRIAL. ship em right out
- interrelate, on 01/09/2009, -5/+37Buried. Nowhere does it mention anything about illegal aliens/immigrants. The article is about legal aliens who does something illegal (like vote on natl elections, murder, etc.) and faces deportation.
- arznek, on 01/09/2009, -6/+36There is quite a stereotype when it comes to illegal aliens, and legal immigration is not easy...There are plenty of cases where someone has a legitimate reason for staying here while they try to do things right.
Case in point: My wife came to the US on a tourist visa, we met, got engaged, later married, and somewhere in between there her visa expired. She was staying illegally during the greencard process, which took about 6 months, a redwood tree worth of redundant paperwork, ~$2,000, and USCIS appointments literally from one end of the state to the other. If we had screwed up her application and her adjustment of status she could have been denied, she would have gone through deportation.
Everyone is all for securing the borders and making immigration harder, until it becomes personal to you. - starscream45, on 01/09/2009, -18/+47Here in Kansas my grandma was hit and killed by a illegal (no english speaking) mexican drunk driver (in December) and he had gotten in trouble several times before with misdemeanors (4 of them) and they never deported the guy, if they had deported him when he was arrested the times before my grandmother's accident, she would still be alive. The law enforcement says they only deport them when they commit felonies. Since he got a felony for killing my grandma they said they will deport him but he told the detectives he will be back as soon as he can (as he is laughing, he has no remorse). Douche!
He borrowed the car he hit my grandma with from a family member so the family is saying he didn't have permission to drive it so that their insurance doesn't have to pay anything. My grandpa has to pick up the 1/2 million dollar hospital bill and my grandmothers car.
Here's a link along with a video about it....
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003030.htm ...
But yeah they only deport the really bad ones apparently. - shutaro, on 01/09/2009, -6/+35Only Earthlings get lawyers.
- Zihuatanejo, on 01/09/2009, -3/+30Incorrect, LPRs (lawful permanent residents, aka green card holders) are also entitled to the benefits of the Constitution.
- BradMajors, on 01/09/2009, -7/+34NO IT WASN'T. Please read the Constitution and take a civics class. The Bill of Rights refers to "people" and not "citizens", the Bill of Rights applies to everyone. Any immigrant to the United States would know this.
- RoyStalin, on 01/09/2009, -4/+29Please try not to be so coherent on the internet. The accepted method is ridiculous hyperbole and off topic comments. Coherence just confuses the rest of us, please stick to the preferred methods. Thanks.
- inactive, on 02/25/2009, -3/+27did anyone out of 205 people who dugg this story up ever notice this article has got nothing to do with ILLEGAL aliens?
- ordig, on 01/09/2009, -21/+45Neither do poor people!
- manano, on 01/09/2009, -1/+25I find it rather disturbing that people in these forums are so quick to dismiss illegal immigrants as second class citizens, or even an inferior species. What people don't realize is that the U.S. immigration policy is broken to the point of being useless. People don't want to be here illegally, but the reality is that there is no possible way to get here legally. Do you want to leave your homeland and move to a place where people treat you like s**t? No, neither do them. But they do it because they have gone through something most of us have not gone through..... A HARD LIFE!
Illegal immigration is the new slavery, people are held down because they are cheap labor, something that there simply is not a lot of around here. I have known and worked along side many illegal immigrants using fake SSNs and they pay taxes more religiously than citizens, and yet they have no rights. Get to know an illegal immigrant... talk to them and find out why he/she is here. Then come here and tell us they are criminals.
Deport them all, for all I care! Watch the country crumble from the inside, watch the food prices go up 3000% to the levels seen in the rest of the world. Let's see all the "natives" go out and do the back breaking labor illegal immigrants get paid $1 a day to do.
I know you are going to bury me, but who cares......... The internet is the place where everyone's true colors come out, because it is easier to be an a-hole when no one knows who you are. - UberNick, on 01/09/2009, -2/+26"A day after arriving in Chicago, I found
myself driving behind some fool in an SUV bearing a
bumper sticker that read, “Want my vote? Secure our borders.‿ I tried to grasp the psychology of such a person, whose greatest concern in life is apparently that some brown-skinned person will creep up across the border and steal his job, and probably his gas-guzzling SUV and three-car garage along with it. What I wanted to tell him, after recovering from a moment of mindless road rage, is that he is fighting a losing battle. The world is no longer his. We are here: the Somali refugees, the Greek Chicagoans, the Mexicans, Indians, Southeast Asians and Eastern Europeans who by far outnumber whites in my suburb, the Guatemalan teenager I know who snuck across two borders and crossed deserts to find work at a Korean grocery store in Denver, the Lost Boys of Sudan, the Marias full of Grace, all of us, who have roots in different cultures and skins of different colors,along with our many white American allies who dare to color outside the lines. Whether we move about by choice or have been forcibly displaced, we are all inadvertently part of building this other world that is possible, a world of greater global understanding and solidarity." - my friend's sister - schroeder, on 01/09/2009, -2/+24I know a woman from Thailand who was sold into sex slavery as a child and escaped to America in a very arduous manner. She lived here and worked hard enough to buy a house (on which taxes were paid) and contributed to the community. She was found and imprisoned and set to be deported. She has no lawyer because everyone is being round up to the same place and there aren't enough to go around. Some people, as human beings, should have the right to argue their case and seek asylum. Isn't that the whole idea of America? To flee oppression and become a productive member of a free society?
- lovek, on 01/09/2009, -2/+23I think you don't know what "gringo" means. But the phrase "mexican iraq" doesn't make sense any way you slice it.
What the hell are you trying to say? Use your words! - Kaster, on 01/09/2009, -30/+48Shouldn't even have a lawyer to begin with, count yourself lucky.
- grodani, on 01/09/2009, -3/+21Immigration law is complicated and confusing. The reason for people in this position to have a lawyer is to help determine whether or not they can legally remain. You're assuming they're illegal just because someone's accusing them of it. That's not always the case.
- grodani, on 01/09/2009, -4/+22The blurb is wrong. Read the article. This is not about people who have already been determined to be here illegally.
By the way, skinheads and other nazi-poseurs are the worst kind of scum. Your fathers should have pulled out, you ignorant puswads. - ScottMitchell, on 01/09/2009, -8/+26More specifically, it was written for white male property owners who were citizens of the United States.
- DevSingh1359, on 01/09/2009, -4/+19Go ahead an bury me, all you illegal alien haters...but this is probably the one comment on this entire article that I bothered to digg up. I don't think most people in the US realize how difficult the legal process is. As you've stated, it's only when the problem becomes personal to you that you're no longer so harsh on securing borders and making the immigration process harder for others.
- Jtheletter, on 01/09/2009, -2/+17@Ricemanstm:
Look at the comments from sancho and vectorjohn. Being married to a professor obviously hasn't taught you anything, that's why we give degrees based on education, not who you're sleeping with.
More to the point, the due process clause is contained in the 14th Amendment. And in 1886 the Supreme Court case of Yick Wo v. Hopkins the court found that "The guarantees of protection contained in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution extend to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, without regard to differences of race, of color, or of *** nationality. **** "
This decision has never been overturned.
Link to 14th Amendment info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_ ...
Link to Supreme Court case Yick Wo v. Hopkins: http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/histo ...
You have just been schooled. - AriaStar, on 01/09/2009, -3/+17That's *****. I'm really sorry your family is having to go through this *****.
- Junkey, on 01/09/2009, -17/+31I got a good balance. They keep their good lawyers, but we give them bad translators.
- murk, on 01/09/2009, -26/+40George Bush doesn't care about mexicans.
- kiwiboyus, on 01/09/2009, -0/+14I'm a legal alien, I have a green card and you are correct. It does piss me off a bit knowing that I pay taxes but have no real claim on any benefits unless I become a citizen while many illegals are getting education etc that I don't qualify for because I play by the rules. It's not a black or white issue in many ways. And as a legal immigrant it scares me that I might not get a fair trial if someone accuses me of something. Just because you are illegal doesn't mean you are guilty of the crime you are accused of.
- IphtashuFitz, on 01/09/2009, -2/+15Agreed. But this article isn't about illegal aliens. It's about legal resident aliens. The only place the word "illegal" is used is in the Digg headline, so it's inaccurate.
- IphtashuFitz, on 01/09/2009, -1/+14Buried as inaccurate. Nowhere in the article does the word "illegal" even appear. The article is about legal, resident aliens.
- altgeeky1, on 01/09/2009, -4/+17Nobody cares less about Mexicans, than their own government. Whose fault is that?
- johnnick, on 01/09/2009, -18/+30That's not necessarily true. The conclusion that they were illegally in the country and should be deported may have been the result of the mistake their lawyer made and should not be assumed as a fact for evaluating the consequences of the lawyer's mistake. However, while I disagree with your point, the Attorney General's position also makes sense and I'll address that in a separate post.
- JimNtexas, on 01/09/2009, -0/+12George Bush has been a champion of very broad amnesty for illegal aliens. They've had no greater friend in the White House ever than W.
And this is the thanks he gets. - IphtashuFitz, on 01/09/2009, -3/+15Have you bothered to read the actual article? It was about legal resident aliens. It has nothing to do with illegal aliens. The Digg headline is inaccurate.
- pintomp3, on 01/09/2009, -0/+11The Constitution doesn't grant rights, it recognizes them as inalienable.
- xaxxon, on 01/09/2009, -1/+12How do you know if they are an illegal alien? You *CAN'T* without a court.
I hate reading comments by people like you. - IphtashuFitz, on 01/09/2009, -0/+11RTFA. The article is about LEGAL aliens. There are plenty of aliens residing legally in the USA, but if they run afowl of the law then apparently they're screwed. The person who submitted this to Digg added "illegal" to the headline, but nowhere in the article does it mention illegal aliens at all.
- Jtheletter, on 01/09/2009, -1/+11@Suzilla
True, but it's not an instantaneous process. A citizen WILL be able to produce those documents, an illegal alien will not because they don't exist. It's not as if this is a one-day affair where if it's not on your immediate person you're out of luck. - Maturola, on 01/09/2009, -3/+13Article refers to LEGAL immigrants as well, people who have use the legal system to get into another country should have the right to defend
- BradMajors, on 01/09/2009, -1/+11No. You do not need a green card to work in the United States. They are many additional legal ways people can work in the United States without a green card.
- vectorjohn, on 01/09/2009, -3/+12On the other hand, if you READ the whole sentence that you quoted "We the People of the United States of America" from, it actually just says "... do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." It doesn't say who the constitution is for or anything. It just says, basically, "this constitution was approved by We the People".
Your "A+" at community college just goes to show you that grades don't always mean you understand. - greenlight2001, on 01/09/2009, -0/+9If anything, I think the Mexicans would be calling YOU a 'gringo', not the other way around...
- cgruber, on 01/09/2009, -4/+13I don't agree that illegal aliens should have the same rights as citizens. *ESPECIALLY IF THEY AREN'T PAYING TAXES* However, I have a good friend who's girlfriend for the last 5 years who came her legally from Singapore, attended and graduated college and attempted to get citizenship and was denied and forced to leave. I think immigration should be easier to do legally, she spent thousands and thousands of dollars getting a degree in here and was told thanks go home. Yes they could get married but they don't feel that is the choice they want to make at this juncture. His solution was to create a business in her degree, file ~10k worth of paper work with a lawyer and hire her so she could come back with a work visa.
- Einchy, on 01/09/2009, -1/+10Like it's that easy.
- brodimus, on 01/09/2009, -4/+13Buried for inaccurate title. This applies to aliens (as in all of them), not specifically illegal aliens.
- kinseyincanada, on 01/09/2009, -1/+9getting a green card is very difficult in the United States, it takes a a lot of money and luck. Your entire nation was founded on immigration. On the statue of Liberty it says "Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Instead of just throwing these people out, embrace them make it easier to come to your great country legally so they can becoem paying taxpayers and productive members of society. All they are trying to do is give a better life for their families. It is the epitome of the American Dream. Welcome these people who are just trying to make a living. They are the foundation of your country.
- sancho, on 01/09/2009, -2/+10Incidentally, if you actually read the preamble, you'll note that it doesn't declare anything about rights. "We the people" asserts who is creating the Constitution, and nothing more.
"We the People of the United States ... do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." - inactive, on 01/09/2009, -4/+12@BradMajors:
Not too hard to prove citizenship. You know, with ID, birth certificate, social security number, etc. The idea that an American citizen could be accused of being an illegal alien and not being able to prove their citizenship is ridiculous. -
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