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  • bonecones, on 02/12/2008, -24/+308Americans did this all over the world.
    Take a look at the history of latin america or the middle east. The pattern repeats itself. The US is once again trying to supress local governments in order to install governments aligned to the profits of their corporations.
    I don't know if americans learn this on their schools, I know I did.
    I wonder if americans trully knew what their government does in their names things would be different.
    For a more recent case of US intervention do some research on the 2002 coup attempt in Venezuela.
    • Hoogie7Dowser, on 02/12/2008, -8/+28SHHHH! Or they'll send the Jackals after you...
      • Xcel, on 02/12/2008, -4/+22"Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins is the book Hoogie is referring to. A great read, I recommend it to all.
      • EditorResponse, on 02/12/2008, -42/+5Hugs and kisses my liberal socialist friends!

        my religious book the Koran tells of a man named Muhammad who was a pedophile with a 9 year old wife
        you call me a Muslim

        I will wear a suicide vest into a sea of innocent people and detonate it
        you call me a Muslim

        I will fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City, United States of America on September 11, 2001 to kill more than 3,000 innocent people.
        you will call me a Muslim

        I will drive a boat laden with explosives into your U.S. military ships like the U.S.S. Cole.
        you will call me a Muslim

        I will blow up the Marine Corps barraks in Lebanon killing several hundred U.S. Marines.
        you will call me a Muslim

        I will kidnap Israeli soldiers on the Lebenese border and start a war with Israel that will take several thousands lives and then declare madly that we won!
        you will call me a Msulim

        I will support terrorist operations in Lebanon through Hezbolla, Palestine through Hamas and other agents and Syria to the tune of more than a billion dollars
        you will call me a muslim

        I will indroctrinate all Arabic and Persain children to hate Israelis and Americans with TV shows that will be broadcast in the Kingdom of Saud, Iran and Palestine
        you will call me a Muslim

        I will ride a bike with a suicide bomb on it
        you call me a Muslim

        I will oppress all woman and make them wear a burkha over the full length of her body indoors and outdoors
        you call me a Muslim

        I will trick several women with Downs syndrome to wear a suicide vest into a sea of people in Iraq
        you call me a Muslim

        In wealthy Islamic countries like the Kingdom of Saud thousands of sheiks will have twenty wives while forty percent of all men will have none...so in their spare time they plot to kill Americans in Iraq
        you call me a Muslim

        I will steal, then drive a big truck with a suicide bomb to kill you in your hardened bunkers
        you call me a Muslim

        I will not allow women to drive a car in the kingdom of Saud and in many other Islamic fundamentalist areas
        you will call me a Muslim

        We will have a crazy socialist religious doctrine managed by imams, ayatollahs and kings for a government instead of a democracy
        you call us a Muslim

        I will not allow an woman to talk to or associate with any man outside their family's domicile in every Islamic state, and if she dares she will go to jail and be whipped
        you will call me a Muslim

        All of our women must wear coverings down to the floor to cover their ankle to their wrists to cover their arms and cover their heads...because our men are like untrained animals.
        you will call me a Muslim

        we will hang you for being a queer
        you call us a Muslim

        more than one third of all of our people live in homes with dirt floors and no running water yet you are the infidel!
        you call me a Muslim

        we will cut off your hand for stealing a donut
        you call me a Muslim

        I will get together with five thousand people in the street, fire off AK-47s, and chant "Death to America! Death to Israel!" but we want to emigrate to America the land of peace and prosperity....but we must get rid of America's government.
        you call me a Muslim

        In secret using Pakistani plans from A.Q. Khan we were working on making nuclear fuel without having a working nuclear reactor for more than half a decade, and collecting nuclear missile components...i.e. for a nuclear weapon, I mean er. reactor!
        you call me a Muslim

        We are now testing long range intercontennental balistic missiles "for our new space program" ;-) ....i.e. for missiles with warheads that will soon be able to hit all of Europe and finally New York
        you call me a Muslim

        I will kill many, many, many antiSyrian ministers in Lebanon with shootings and car bombs:
        - Sept. 19, 2007: Ghanem, 64, an anti-Syrian lawmaker from the Christian Phalange Party, is killed in a blast in Beirut. Six other people also die.
        - June 13, 2007: Walid Eido, 65, an anti-Syrian member of parliament, is killed along with his son, two bodyguards and six others in an explosion in Beirut.
        -Nov. 21, 2006: Pierre Gemayel, 34, the industry minister and a prominent anti-Syrian Christian politician, at least three gunmen ambushed Mr Gemayel, ramming his car with their vehicle before spraying it with gunfire from point blank range in a Beirut suburb.
        - Dec. 12, 2005: Gibran Tueni, an anti-Syrian newspaper editor and lawmaker, is killed when a car bomb destroys his vehicle.
        - June 21, 2005: Anti-Syrian politician George Hawi, a former Communist Party leader, is killed by a bomb placed under his car.
        - June 2, 2005: Anti-Syrian journalist and activist Samir Kassir is killed by a bomb planted under his car.
        - Feb. 14, 2005: Former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, an anti-Syrian lawmaker, is assassinated in a bombing that also kills 20 other people. Among the dead is Bassel Fleihan, who served as economy minister in Hariri's government. The opposition blames the Syrian and Lebanese governments, charges both deny.

        ....you will call me Muslim

        I am a ***** loser
        you call me insane



        The present: Pallywood: Palestinian Hollywood, Fake injuries and deaths
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTX3CZqDyOA&eurl=

        The future: Indoctrination of Children on Arab and Iranian TV
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1yN171630Q&feature ...

        Muslim Sesame Street I: do the "Death to America" thing
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2EisVqKZ4&feature ...

        Kindergarten Graduation Ceremony in Gaza on Hamas TV
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2nBM2YgBb8

        Indoctrination of Children on Arab and Iranian TV
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1yN171630Q

        Saudi Arabia 2002
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbHVEGnYD8

        November 2004
        Iranian Kids: "Death to Israel, Death to America"
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI-DiaBi7VE&feature ...

        March 2005
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OIUieD2KN4&feature ...

        Anti-Western Incitment on Arab and Iranian TV
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6PI5S83o6g&feature ...

        Various MEMRI TV clips on Iran
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZFXF97QzRQ&feature ...

        August, 2006
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo&feature ...

        December, 2006
        Iran supports Hezbolla..."Death to America"
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tXfIYxPGQs&feature ...

        February 2007
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUezKsBCRbk&feature ...

        April 2007
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWIFhKYiMqU&feature ...

        • Terr01, on 02/12/2008, -4/+18Who the hell are you and what are you smoking?
        • EditorResponse, on 02/12/2008, -21/+3What is wrong? The definition of a muslim or what a muslim does? Then if it is what a muslim does then why do muslims get so much support from losers on Digg.com?
          • pauldy, on 02/12/2008, -1/+2Two reasons 1 America is the last super power and other countries feel obligated to knock it down a peg every chance they get, 2 combines the idea of the enemy of my enemy is my friend and the fact none of the people defending those who commit these massive acts of violence and cruelty have a concept of the true danger. They feel like if confronted they could just tell these guys they are on their side and sympathize with their cause and their lives would be spared. This is why I un-subscribed from politics on digg there are very few insightful people and most are simply lemmings who are following the trend without any true though as to what they are regurgitating. So what do they do, they post it as world news. Clearly this is politically biased information straight from a site setup for misinformation and maintaining the countries conservative/liberal divide.
        • bluezinc, on 02/12/2008, -0/+6Ohh bigotry, and here we were thinking you were going away.
        • Zecchetti, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2Let's report the loser already.
    • d0onut, on 02/12/2008, -5/+78"I don't know if americans learn this on their schools"
      No, we don't learn things in school.
      • KargeOfTylenol, on 02/12/2008, -12/+11oh man you showed him!!
      • llamaguy132, on 02/12/2008, -1/+35we didn't learn anything like this in school, in the HS and MS curriculum's barely touched on the middle east and South America
      • Hobbes24, on 02/12/2008, -1/+16we mostly learn stuf, adn how spell...good
      • lkeg56demn, on 02/12/2008, -8/+2No need to be a dick.
      • theuber1337, on 02/12/2008, -1/+8Actually I spent a quarter of Junior year history learning about this and all the other US coups in high school. My history teacher did his own thing, screw the biased book. Avant-Garde education ftw!
        • bluezinc, on 02/12/2008, -2/+3By "avant-garde" you mean "good"?

          If it was avant-garde he would have made you learn the history of the world through various shadow-puppet shows where he shrieks and throws salt from behind the canvas.
          • theuber1337, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4Thats..usually how it was done. What's your point?
            I think it suits my purposes in that sentence..
            Avant-Garde: French for 'in advance'; term used in all the arts to describe any work, style, or school that is considered in its own time to be radical, consciously breaking from previous tradition.
          • bluezinc, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1Trust me, I know what avant-garde means. I got to film school where I've had 4 classes on avant-garde movements in the arts.

            Your teacher teaching you the truth is not, "avant-garde", my point was that if your teacher taught you in an avant-garde manner, such as shrieking and throwing salt, then it would probably be a little less effective.
        • shakbhaji, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3You're a lucky one. My high school AP US history teacher was a rabid Bush supporter, on top of which she was a moron. I realize the real reasons for all the US wars in the 20th century until I took a writing class last semester about "America and the World" that dealt with perceptions of America abroad and this kind of stuff came up a lot. People all over the world see right thru this "spreading freedom and democracy" facade. If only there were more teachers like yours who were smart enough to recognize the real reasons for historical events and have the guts to teach THAT to students we wouldn't have so many uninformed citizens... maybe.
        • rpgmaker, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1I was a little skeptical about if United States citizen knew the kind of stuff their government does all over the world. This comment thread has showed me that they do not!
    • dogshaft, on 02/12/2008, -23/+4I know a lot of Venezuelans that would disagree with you on that.
      • janrito, on 02/12/2008, -1/+9My Venezuelans are bigger than your Venezuelans
      • chipsngravy, on 02/12/2008, -2/+13yeah the rich ones i.e the minority
    • Nanobe, on 02/12/2008, -10/+144Here's the brief history of the U.S. as explained in my U.S. public education experience:

      - The scientists used to believe the world was flat and Columbus proved them wrong.
      - The Native Americans greeted us as liberators, except for the evil ones who scalped people for no reason.
      - The Boston Tea Party incident happened because Britain was taxing us crazy high amounts without allowing us representation (no, we never learned that Britain was actually selling the tea at a discount and the protesters were simply angry at their own business' loss of profits)
      - We won the Revolutionary War on our own because we were motivated knowing that we were the good guys fighting the bad guys.
      - The Civil War was all about slavery, and the North won because they were motivated knowing that they were the good guys fighting the bad guys.
      - We did everything 100% honorably during World War II and we won because we were the good guys, not because Hitler made a stupid move into Russia and we did horrible things to the Japanese and Japanese-American people. Shush.
      - We've never lost a war. Korea and Vietnam don't count because we technically won them, even if we maybe didn't win them by as much as we wanted.
      - 9/11 happened because Muslim culture hates freedom.
      • Hobbes24, on 02/12/2008, -44/+2couple of things:

        -correct

        -your confusing native americans with iraq. we were told indians greeted us as cultural god sends.

        -correct

        -...no, we were always tought france helped, we just chose to ignore it.

        -correct

        -we got a long "america raping the jap-am's" unit, followed by a "why nukes r bad" unit. far from a glowing reffrence, your thinking of hollywood

        -we also got a long "nice job ***** up, nixon", with a rousing "america was mucking around where it dosen't belong" for good measure. and we most certainly DID NOT LOOSE THE KOREAN WAR. it's simply in a cease fire dumb *****.

        -there are other causes, but that isn't a bad description for why they attacked us, terrorists hate our way of life, so they tried to ***** us up the ass without lube.

        the jingoism in public edu isn't as deep as you think it is
        • bluezinc, on 02/12/2008, -0/+8yes, it is.
        • asa400, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1Spellcheck, grammar, and proper sentence structure are excellent ways to get your point across and sound intelligent at the same time. Good luck.
      • PleaseJustDie, on 02/12/2008, -0/+9You mean that's now how it happened? In all actuality I learned most of that stuff in college, the high school history just covered the basics. Hell it wasn't until college that I learned Paul Revere was captured before he made to Lexington and probably drunk at the time too.
        • TheTaoOfBill, on 02/12/2008, -3/+12You'd be surprised at how much history you learn from textbooks is either sugarcoated or just a flat out lie. Don't trust anything but actual documents straight from the source.

          It's no wonder history repeats itself. It's because our schools do everything in their power to make sure we forget the bad things America has done.
          • Hobbes24, on 02/12/2008, -4/+2must be why we had entire units devoted to slavery, killing natives, internment camps, and dropping atom bombs, right?
      • bunit03057, on 02/12/2008, -1/+15Most of this is truly what you learn if you do not go to college or are not educated at a private school.
        • siszam, on 02/12/2008, -8/+1You left out home schools. I know many people who home school because they disagree with government propaganda. There high school children are much smarter than many people who have a college education. And they don't have to deal with atheist brainwashing either.
        • ffttoteof, on 02/12/2008, -1/+8Public schools suggest students to atheist brainwashing?

          You obviously didn't go to my public school. It was more like the opposite.
      • Hangly, on 02/12/2008, -1/+5I remember something about Rome being in Europe too. But yeah, that about covers it.
      • digjam, on 02/12/2008, -1/+7well america did screw up the nascent democracy in iran.. khomeini wasnt that good either.... whatever democracy was left after shah defected to US was literally militanised by this guy..leading to the regular public turning againt US.
      • DigitalGalt, on 02/12/2008, -7/+2What state was that in? I would argue this is your own fault, or you were in Mississippi/Alabama/Georgia/Louisiana/South Dakota/South Carolina/West Virginia/etc/etc (okay, the dumb/poor HALF of the country) maybe it wasn't.

        While I wasn't in HS for 9-11, the rest of those topics I covered by 8th grade in the form you present. I recovered them in a much more accurate and anti-America (because how could you be anything but, given what we have really done in the past 100 years) bent in AP US History in my junior year. So, if you are one of the trolls who had the option of going into AP and chose not to because you were too lazy/disinterested, quit whining - it is your own damned fault. AP courses are free and are far more standardized across the country than other courses.

        And I came out of Dallas, Texas.
        • Terr01, on 02/12/2008, -1/+13I like to repeat a distinction I heard once before:

          Nationalist: My country, right or wrong.
          Patriotic: My country, may it be right.
        • expatcatalyst, on 02/12/2008, -2/+10Many only take whatever tripe is layed in front of them and don't dig any deeper. If any of us depended on schools, public or private to really educate us, we are fools. This is something I teach my kids, dig, research and find out the true answers, not just what is in print or on the web. Become a lifelong learner.
        • zeromous, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3expatcatalyst: Don't forget the golden rule, to think. You can research all you want, but one must consider the facts to find true answers. One thing I've learned is most people don't know all the answers, just a portion of the facts. Its up to you to find the right conclusion based on your research.
      • Terr01, on 02/12/2008, -0/+11Also, Hawaii became a state because it was probably just discovered or something.
        • da_bradler, on 02/12/2008, -0/+7same with texas
          • Terr01, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2And California after that, but I figured if I mentioned Texas a lot of Texans would pile on about how they were certainly taught about how it was "liberated" :P
      • theuber1337, on 02/12/2008, -3/+2Thats like almost all in direct contradiction of what I learned in history classes in high school. That all sounds like what I learned in my next hour class... theology. Yay, private education.
      • Hobbes24, on 02/12/2008, -4/+3what school did you go to? because at my high school we had huge pc friendly chapters about how America did terrible things to minorities of all kinds, and war crimes/nam
    • j1w2d34, on 02/12/2008, -1/+6That pretty much sums it up.
    • nikitab, on 02/12/2008, -7/+1See my comment below.
    • tehbored, on 02/12/2008, -0/+13I actually did learn much of this in high school. Most American schools probably don't teach about how America overthrew functioning democracies all over the world, but even if they did, it wouldn't n matter because most American kids don't want to learn history and simply wouldn't pay attention.
      • TheTaoOfBill, on 02/12/2008, -4/+15I think they would pay a lot more attention if the truth was told in history classes. It makes history much more juicy and interesting.

        I actually failed US history in high school twice because I couldn't stop falling asleep in class. My consoler told me I was going to have to take a slow kids history class. I told him that I was not a slow kid and I told him I'd prove it by taking AP History. He thought I was crazy but in the end I had the final say and got placed into AP history. And guess what? I stayed awake every day because everyday I learned something new about the so-called American heroes of history. Holy *****? Columbus killed all the native Americans in the Bahamas in a massive genocide? Whoa! Lincoln didn't really care all that much about slavery? We were in a war with the philipines and ordered our generals to kill everyone over 10?! Jesus! We've done some ***** up things in the past!

        I wound up getting a B in the class and an overall better understanding of not only history but current events as well and have since been able to look at the world in a much bigger picture. I thank my stars everyday that I had the guts to take that AP history course and I really hope everyone still in high school does the same. History is no fun when all it is is a bunch of lies.

    • Hangly, on 02/12/2008, -1/+6In school I learned that M&M's melt in your mouth but not in your hand. Yay Channel One!
      • SleighBoy, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2Who here knows that Anderson Cooper was a Channel One host at one time..that's some good trivia!
        • ffttoteof, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1He was on Channel One when I was in high school. So was Lisa Ling. And a ***** of Mt. Dew commercials.
    • Tyrghast, on 02/12/2008, -3/+2Say what you want about that six minute clip, but the most important thing i took away from that clip was I would definately do Barbara Slavin.
      • sponeil, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Dude, you definitely need to get out more.
    • sangjmoon, on 02/12/2008, -9/+6You all forget the historical context in which this happened. Does anybody remember the KGB and the Soviet Union? Both the CIA and the KGB were fighting a covert war in Iran at that time. It was an undercover war that was the real life foundation for the spy movies we know today. They both played a part in bringing the Khomenei theocracy into power. The CIA destabilized the pro-USSR democracy, and the KGB hid away and brought back Khomenei. The end result was that neither won. The CIA lost Iran during Carter's naive term, and the KGB lost their country although they won Iran back. This is why Putin is protective of Iran. It is his ugly stepchild.
      • heystoopid, on 02/12/2008, -0/+5Very strange the last time I heard the very same excuses was in the Film "Judgment at Nuremberg" released in 1961, strangely those that used that defence went to the gallows as convicted war criminals!

        The reality is it was only ever about stealing all the oil and mineral wealth from the Iranians at bargain basement pre-war prices and install an evil repressive regime that was the far worse then that which had been overthrown in Italy less then ten years previously !

        A true believer in the ends justify the means and the means justify the ends ! , are we ?
      • sodoh, on 02/12/2008, -0/+7Actually the US was so paranoid of Communism that they went against democracy of other countries. Take for example Greece. One time through democratic process the socialist party in Greece won the elections. The US instigated a CIA backed coup with the military to overthrow the government. Many people went into exile or were imprisoned and tortured. Students that were protesting the coup were opened fired apon by the military and people were killed and wounded. Those actions led to the terrorist group "Novemeber 17" which was responsible for the deaths of Greeks and Americans.

        You reap what you sow.
    • schmitey, on 02/12/2008, -1/+8You can indeed learn about Iran and South America in American colleges, however I've found that these professors are labeled as "hippies" or "liberal" for speaking the truth even if they don't twist their opinion into it (as most history professors tend to do). For someone to step back, show the facts, and merely raise an eyebrow at the implications and irony of current US diplomatic situations somehow makes them un-American. "A nation that does not know its history is doomed to repeat it"...we're seeing that here in Iran and abroad.
    • mGARANDEUR1, on 02/12/2008, -2/+2Yeah, we are always the bad guys.....
      • EtherGnat, on 02/12/2008, -1/+3No, sometimes we are the bad guys. A lot of times we're the good guys, and 99% of the time it's somewhere in between--life is hardly ever black and white. Being patriotic isn't about thinking your country is perfect, it's about loving it despite its faults and trying to prevent its mistakes from happening again.
        • emildorbell, on 02/12/2008, -2/+2Hardly. Patriotism is nothing but *****.
          • EtherGnat, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3I think you fail to differentiate between blind patriotism and true patriotism.
          • tehbored, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2Actually I believe the terms are nationalism and patriotism. Patriotism meaning that you love your country and nationalism meaning you loving your country way too ***** much.
    • kaelyiesta, on 02/12/2008, -2/+6Absolutely right about South America. My college professor on early american imperialism gave us an overwhelming amount of factual data on our oppression and extortion of those nations. I still have some of Carl Barks early imperialist propaganda donald duck cartoons. It's incredible that public school lies so much about those facts. Until I saw some of the legislature, writings and actions, I used to think T. Roosevelt was an alright dude.
    • st3vo, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3Just some suggested reading for the Digg community interested in this subject:
      War Is A Racket, by Major General Smedley Butler;
      Overthrow, by Kenzer;
      Sorrows of Empire, by Johnson

      These are actually a few history books I am reading right now for my American History class, go ahead and enjoy.
    • linguinigenie, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_is_a_Racket
      "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."[19]
    • SiliconRain, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1"this democratic leader was overthrown in 1953 by a US-organized coup in retaliation for nationalizing oil resources previously controlled by the British."

      Funnily enough, the Iran story is pretty similar to the Iraq story in a way that we forget now:

      A populist leader who came to power in one of a string of coups in the 50's after the fall of the Shah of Iraq called Abd-al Karim Qasim (you can read about him here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Karim_Kasim) was famous for nationalizing oil and land that had previously been owned by foreign (mostly British) companies.

      Of course (especially given the McCarthy-ist sentiment in the air at the time), America was concerned that Qasim may have communist and/or anti-business intentions, and so supported financially and militarily the opposing party - the Ba'ath party. Qasim was subjected to a show trial and executed, and a few years down the line the charismatic vice-president of the party succeeded to the helm and became president - Saddam Hussein of course. The rest is history.

      We may think that we learn from history, but the truth is we don't, and we will be cursed to relive the horrors of greed, hate and war generation upon generation unless something fundamental changes.
    • BlaenkDenum, on 02/23/2008, -0/+1The parent poster is correct. I recommend to all this wonderful documentary I'm watching at this instant, 'The War on Democracy' which goes over all of it:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_on_Democracy

      There is a link to the full video on Google Video at the bottom of the page.
  • akash8m, on 02/12/2008, -37/+187Ron Paul has been saying this for some time now, but nobody seems to listen. Among all the Arab countries, they are the only ones who are doing good for the people there and don't have dictatorship.
    • jmpeagle, on 02/12/2008, -61/+13too bad you are a racist....Iran isn't an Arab country. Since when did Arab/Muslim become interchangeable?
      • someguyouknow, on 02/12/2008, -2/+32Or he/she could have just made a mistake...
        • jmpeagle, on 02/12/2008, -38/+6because he is a racist and doesn't differentiate between muslims and arabs
        • johndi, on 02/12/2008, -4/+25Arab is not a race, and Muslim is not a race. He made no comments for or against either. To me it looks like a geography error. You're the one who seems to think race is important.
          • Tiak, on 02/12/2008, -1/+16Arab IS a race, look it up, that is the ONLY thing that being Arab is defined as... Hence the Arabs in Darfur. His point was Persian is ALSO a race, the race of the Iranian people, who have a history separate from that of the Arabs.

            It was however a dumb thing to comment on comment in this case, as the original poster was obviously just uninformed on the difference... This isn't something people talk about in America often.
          • norman619, on 02/12/2008, -7/+8@Tiak:

            Iranians are PERSIAN not arab. Please learn the difference.

            Persian

            –adjective
            1. of or pertaining to ancient and recent Persia (now Iran), its people, or their language.

            –noun
            2. a member of the native peoples of Iran, descended in part from the ancient Iranians.
            3. a citizen of ancient Persia.
            4. an Iranian language, the principal language of Iran and western Afghanistan, in its historical and modern forms. Compare Old Persian, Pahlavi, Farsi.


            Arab

            –noun
            1. a member of a Semitic people inhabiting Arabia and other countries of the Middle East.
            2. a member of any Arabic-speaking people.
            3. Arabian horse.
            4. Sometimes Offensive. a street peddler (esp. in Baltimore).
            5. street Arab.

            –adjective
            6. of or pertaining to Arabs.
            7. Arabian.
            8. Arabic.
          • Tiak, on 02/12/2008, -0/+6@norman619

            Actually reading what I said would've been nice, rather than saying I'm wrong and repeating it with unnecessarily long definitions.
          • TheTaoOfBill, on 02/12/2008, -6/+3Both Arab and Muslims are a race. Seriously too many people act like they know the definition of Race and don't even bother to look it up. Races can include Heritage, Religion, Nationality and virtually any people unified by similar characteristics, interests or beliefs.

            Here is the official definition of race from Meriam webster "a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics"

            And dictionary.com says a race is "any people united by common history, language, cultural traits"

            Here is the definition of racist from dictionary.com: "discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion."

            Don't take my word for it. Look it up. Racism applies toward religion as well as nationality.
          • johndi, on 02/12/2008, -2/+4TaoofBill, you do have a point, but I live in the Middle East. It's a point argued even by Arabs. I've discussed it with a few. Some consider it a term similar to Hispanic, if you speak Arab, you're an Arab. Others say it is a race. While some say there are black Arabs and white Arabs, how could it be a race?

            You're first definition is so far off common usage that's it's absurd. By characteristics it makes men and women different races. By interests it makes me a member of the Technician race.
          • TheTaoOfBill, on 02/12/2008, -1/+2A race can be any of those things including technicians but it's not really used in that fashion very often. In fact the example dictionary.com uses is journalists by saying "Journalists are an interesting race"

            But the word racism can and has been used correctly to describe the bigoted philosophies against heritage nationality and religion. The dictionary is pretty clear.
          • Navicerts, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1"Arab

            –noun
            1. a member of a Semitic people inhabiting Arabia and other countries of the Middle East. "


            Soooooo he was right? Isn't Iran in the middle east? Or does the term "Semitic people" exclude them? I have no idea.
      • llamaguy132, on 02/12/2008, -11/+1BS, you mean there's a difference?
        • hikaruzero, on 02/12/2008, -1/+17You're a know-nothing. Iran is essentially the modern Persian state. The country was formerly named Persia for crying out loud. The Arab Empire and the Persian Empire previously even waged war against eachother, with the Arabs invading Persia/Iran and eventually being driven out.
          I can forgive you for thinking there is no difference. To us Americans, Middle Easterners all look the same, the same way Asians all look the same to us. Very few Americans can look at an Asian-American and say "he's Vietnamese" or "Japanese" or "Chinese" or "Korean," because we aren't familiar with the ethnic traits or the subtle facial differences, or even the languages.
          Yet, as Americans, we can tell when somebody is from Brooklyn from their accent. We can tell if you're from San Fran or Philly or Dallas. Why? Because we live there, we have all met and had long conversations wtih people from these different parts of the country.
          The places where we DON'T live, the places we DON'T know the history of, the people from these areas are the ones we have a hard time understanding. And it's a shame.
      • Beatmiser, on 02/12/2008, -2/+7Careful, someone may set your straw man on fire.
      • Tiak, on 02/12/2008, -1/+6I'm pretty sure he wasn't superimposing Arab and Muslim... He was superimposing Arabia and the Middle-East, and then superimposing Arab and inhabitant of Arabia. This isn't racism, simply a misunderstanding as to who the term "Arab" applies to... I am fairly certain he never would've called an Indonesian "Arab", regardless of your perception.
      • DesignerDave, on 02/12/2008, -5/+5Race is socially constructed. Most would agree, according to our social classification of categories of people, that Iran is a country of Arab descent. I've actually never heard Muslim be considered a race before... That's a cultural difference (also socially constructed).
        • norman619, on 02/12/2008, -5/+3There is only one race. The human race. There are many ethnic groups though. People get these two things mixed up all the time.
        • kambiz, on 02/12/2008, -0/+7Iran is not a country of Arab descent. They have a much different genetic composition, much different language, much different language. Their history is very distinct from Arab history too.

          Their heritage is more close to Turkish, Central Asian, and some European/Indian groups.
          • kambiz, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3Woops, much different language is repeated twice. I didn't catch that until after my edit period was up. I meant to say much different culture.
          • DesignerDave, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3Gotcha. Regardless, I think it's fair to say that no one is intentionally being racist here. Just because we might misunderstand how people distinctly classify themselves, that does not mean that we consider ourselves innately superior or inferior to them.
      • phenry50BMG, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1jmpeagle = *****
    • kambiz, on 02/12/2008, -7/+30As one commenter already pointed out, your "among all the Arab countries" statement isn't correct. Iran is not an Arab country. They may share a similar majority religion to other Arab countries, but they have a much different history, culture, ethnic composition, language when compared to Arab countries like Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.

      Furthermore, I recommend you reconsider thinking the government of Iran doing good for the people and is not a 'dictatorship.' The clergy, a.k.a. the ayatollahs and mullahs are a dominant force in the government. That's why it is called the -Islamic Republic- of Iran. That being said, the clergy is not voted into office, and represents a theocratic dictatorship. Just ask the women who HAVE to wear a hijab, and the objectionable force they use against dissidence .
      • Terr01, on 02/12/2008, -1/+7Just to whinge a moment: Back when Khatami was President, a lot of people brought up the Ayatollah issue as a reason why his moderate nature wasn't important in terms of foreign relations with Iran. Now, however, everyone's making wide-eyed frightful predictions based on his successor Ahmadinejad's behavior, as if somehow the Iranian Presidency magically became more powerful in 2005.
        • Nevarius, on 02/12/2008, -1/+9When a oil producing country switches to the Euro as the currency to buy oil with, their leader magically becomes overly powerful and evil.
          1.) Nation decides to use the euro as a method to sell oil.
          2.) ??????
          3.) Leader turns into Hitler.

          see it all makes total sense.

          /sarcasm
      • zeromous, on 02/12/2008, -1/+1Iran is "persian". Not "Arab"

        Also I'd like to point out that I think you're confusing Iran with Saudia Arabia or UAE or something, because as far as I know Iranian women do not have to wear a hijab and in general women's rights are well enjoyed by all (except for perhaps devout muslims?). Iran has a broad theocratic minority (Muslim, Christian, Athiest, etc) , and seems to me to be one of the most westernized states in the middle east despite our global tinkerings.

        Talk to someone who is actually from Iran and maybe watch some documentaries on life in Iran before spouting your "facts"
        • zeromous, on 02/12/2008, -1/+1I wanted to add that Iran's political leadership still says some pretty backwards things, and all is not rosy in Iran despite my post above. I just wanted to point out that the parent is quite misleading in his 'facts'
          • kambiz, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1You're also misleading in your "as I know Iranian women do not have to wear a hijab." They have to wear a hijab.
    • nikitab, on 02/12/2008, -9/+2Please see my comment here: http://digg.com/world_news/If_Americans_Knew_What_ ... - this video preys on human ignorance and emotion.
      • Drogoganor, on 02/12/2008, -0/+7The only ignorant one here is you.
    • makkaveli19, on 02/12/2008, -1/+7And they're not even arab! lol
    • VitriolAndAngst, on 02/12/2008, -11/+3Wow, Ron Paul must be like really smart. He seems to have caught on to things progressives have been saying for 4 years at least. Except he does that hand motion thing when he says it -- that must be why Libertarians listen or something.
      • kaelyiesta, on 02/12/2008, -0/+7First, Ron Paul has been saying this for decades.

        Second, amongst the progressives(honestly, I don't even know what defines a progressive any more), which of them have called upon us to actually do something about this realization? Who has insisted we stop interfering with other nations? Who has insisted we remove our occupying forces from the countries of the world? Which candidates actually want to do something about it and not just pay lip service to the idea?
        • mempko, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2Mike Gravel has! Except that Mike Gravel actually has a solution to corrupt government, unlike Ron Paul. The National Initiative. Even if Ron Paul were to be elected, any changes he would make can be easily reversed in the next presidency. The National Initiative would complete our checks and balances.
        • kaelyiesta, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1Thanks for reminding me of Gravel. Too bad everyone thinks he is crazy, he had so many insightful ideas.
      • BAFrayd, on 02/12/2008, -1/+4Actually, the man is a genius, and a well-accomplished one at that. And guess what? He's the only candidate who actually has the guts to tell it like it is. The only candidate who has identified the root causes of our problems, and has proposed the REAL solutions to them. He doesn't simply blow sunshine up everyone's rear end. This is why the propaganda machines have marginalized him. They fear him, or should I say, the powers that be fear his ideas, because they know his ideas are a threat to the existing paradigm. You know, like the one that has turned you into a slave...
        "Progressives"? Just another word for "status quo". Go ahead and vote for absolutely no change, and no improvement.
        • mempko, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1You are wrong. Mike Gravel has been telling it like it is from the start. Ron Paul has no REAL deep, long lasting solution to corruption. Mike Gravel has designed a law called the National Initiative that actually would complete our checks and balances and give real power to the people.
    • naeim, on 02/12/2008, -1/+4Iran is NOT an Arab country. And the parent poster is so ignorant.
    • jbennett1128, on 02/12/2008, -0/+10Ron Paul has been talking about this his entire campaign. How the Huffington Post can not mention him is beyond me. He is the most pro-peace with Iran candidate we have. Even their poster child Barack Obama, spoke before AIPAC about the dangers of Iran and how 'no option, including a nuclear first strike' was off the table.
    • da_bradler, on 02/12/2008, -0/+11Remember when the United States Shot down an Iranian passenger airliner killing all the civilians aboard then gave medals to the military officials who did it? Well as Americans you most likely don't but I assure you the Iranians remember.
      • ffttoteof, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2Actually Iran forgave us for that after we gave them $60 million.

        So I guess there's no principles on either side.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
        • mempko, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Right, but the principle of forgiveness for money is certainly not as "desirable" as the principle of not killing innocent people!
        • rocket777, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1So, what should Iran have done? Should they have done a GW Bush moment and attack everyone in sight? Should they have refused the money that would go to the relatives of the dead? Should they have started a war against the US and claimined anyone not with them is against them?

          What's your point? If you get hit by a car and killed, should your children not receive the insurance money?

          You're just trying to blame the victim here. I think the guys comment was that we gave medals to those that did the killing, sort of like how Bush gives medals out to his warmongering staff. Like how we give medals to killers like McCain who bombs innocent civilians from up high where he thought he was safe.

        • kaelyiesta, on 02/13/2008, -0/+1Correction: Neither governments have principles. If there are any real sides, its the rulers vs the ruled. All the other devisions are made up to control us better.
    • mempko, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4Mike Gravel has been saying it even longer
  • GhostyBoy, on 02/12/2008, -6/+59Always ask "who benefits?" Attacking Iraq has plunged America into debt and cost many American lives.

    The media has perpetuated a culture of fear and a willingness to go to war amongst the people, but this is part of an agenda that benefits people who are not your average working class citizens. The reasons for middle eastern intervention are predominantly propaganda to gain public support for these wars.

    What are the real motives, and who stands to gain?
    • digitalhair, on 02/12/2008, -4/+23As I watch For Sale signs popping up more and more in front of houses all over my city, I realize that some of the people with enough money - and enough certainty about the future of their wealth - to buy them all up are the same individuals that took part in deregulating the mortgage & loan business by loosening restrictions and oversite on lenders responsible for causing the sub-prime meltdown in the first place. These are the same free market wackos committing all the fraud with our money by scoring no-bid contracts in Iraq, investing in private security companies after privatizing the functions of our military and scaring the public about having to fight "them" over here, investing in pharmaceuticals that combat agents that will potentially be used by terrorists, supressing innovation in energy production because their family's wealth was built with oil. I couldn't agree with your philosophy more.
      • Lyph5, on 02/12/2008, -14/+4Paranoid ranting? That's how I know I'm on digg.
        • rficwizard, on 02/12/2008, -1/+9My browser says "Digg" on the tab. Most days I can remember what site I typed in, as well.
        • digitalhair, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1so Forbes magazine just came out with a list of the best places to buy up foreclosed property in the US for the biggest bang for the buck.
          Your freedom is being put up for sale, pal... maybe we should all be a little paranoid.
    • caferrell, on 02/12/2008, -5/+16The CIA has only done us harm. Hey cannot get intelligence right, they are wrong more often than the New York Times and that is because they are not really an intelligince organization, they are a secret para military organization that uses dirty tricks, dirty money and assasination to try to mould the world to what their hierarchy finds most promising.
      However the CIA is tremendously inept and ***** up everything that they touch:
      Bay of Pigs
      Mossadegh
      Castro assasination atempts
      etc.

      As Ron Paul said we should shut the doors and fire them all. Use that money to start bailing out Social Security
      • bluezinc, on 02/12/2008, -3/+2No, this isn't the CIA's fault. The CIA is an intelligence gathering organization. It's presidents like Reagan and Bush who abuse the CIA and make them do things they aren't supposed to do that ***** everything up. The culture of the CIA is such where they hate doing the dirty work of Bush, Reagan, or Clinton, but they are usually under executive order.

        The only president who treated the CIA the way they are meant to be treated was Bush Sr. because he came from that community and he knows what it's purpose is. Bush Jr. thinks it's a way of declaring "Jesus powers!" in a game of rock, paper, scissors.
        • GhostyBoy, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2In most cases the CIA controls the president, not the other way around.

          It takes a strong leader to stand up to them, and we haven't seen the likes of that since JFK. Of course we all know what happened there.
          • bluezinc, on 02/13/2008, -1/+1That is absolutely not true at all, I have no idea where you got that idea from considering no expert on either the CIA nor the white house would say something like that.
    • wolfofwar, on 02/12/2008, -4/+21While the government plummets into debt, companies like Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon all skyrocket to epic annual profits.

      Its not about the GOVERNMENT making money, is about the corporations that own the government making money.

      Corporatism at work.
      • digitalhair, on 02/16/2008, -0/+1I agree with you with every ounce of intellectual power I possess. so what do we do, mrs. wolf?
    • nikitab, on 02/12/2008, -6/+2Hmm.. do you know about what business developments there ahve been in Iraq? You might want to look into SIGIR (Sergeant Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction). Meaning that before you start pointing at corporate profits, consider what short/mid/longterm benefits there are for Iraqis. I think it stands to reason that, while at a high short-term cost, if Iraq grows and integrates with the West, Iraqis will be free and happy and thus will be the primary beneficiaries.
      • Drogoganor, on 02/12/2008, -1/+3"if Iraq grows and integrates with the West, Iraqis will be free and happy and thus will be the primary beneficiaries."

        If.
      • TypeEE, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1You are a bit naive. Go back to daddy Bush and ask for another lollipop.
    • Hobbes24, on 02/12/2008, -0/+6crab people.
    • tehbored, on 02/12/2008, -3/+2The interests of the military-industrial complex are at stake. If we really wanted to overthrow Saddam, we'd send the CIA in to assassinate him and spread our propaganda throughout Iraq like we did to numerous countries when we were fighting the Soviets. That doesn't make money for oil companies and weapons manufacturers, does it? I'm not saying we should have had Saddam assassinated and subverted his regime (though it probably wouldn't have been such a bad idea), all I'm saying is that it's clear where our motives lie.
  • jcm1701, on 02/12/2008, -33/+5DIGG - DUGG - RE POSTING - REPRESENTING!!
  • digitalhair, on 02/12/2008, -5/+23We should all be sharing this information as much as we can right now, and not later. It's clear to me that these perpetrators rely upon several layers of deception that are designed to fool people using non-sequitur, irrelevant, and dogmatic dialogue in debating their actions, effectively undermining our discovery of the simple truth that has always been sitting in the History books/documentaries/documents right in front of our faces. American citizens need to broaden the context of our understanding of current events NOW because, after watching this video, we are morally compelled to do so.
  • AskWithoutBias, on 02/12/2008, -17/+115Why do I hear none of this talk from Clinton or Obama? Why is Ron Paul one of the few making this a cornerstone of his foreign policy?
    • provost, on 02/12/2008, -2/+49if any of us tried to get up and speak the truth we would all be considered far out whack jobs too. Its not about telling the truth, its about appeasing people and being very bland an unoffensive to those with the political clout, power and wealth in the country.

      Ron Paul isn't the only one saying it, he is just speaking for the rest of us.. the rest of us being the people without all of the power and wealth that are made out to be 'on the fringes of society' when the reality is we are the backbone of the country.
      • jessehadden, on 02/12/2008, -3/+1This is a textbook example of enablement. We make excuses for the people who hurt us, and they go on hurting us. It is our choice to support the Democrats, despite the fact that they are not the party that we desperately delude ourselves into believing they are, and despite the fact that they do not make the promises that we elect them to keep (which, unsurprisingly, they never do). What they have learned is that we like it this way, and want more.
    • MutatedNantuko, on 02/12/2008, -5/+12Actually, Hillary favors "whatever it takes" regime change in Iran, meaning military action. And Obama favors open negotiations with Iran.
      • jbennett1128, on 02/12/2008, -0/+10Obama's speech before the Council on Foreign Relations, for AIPAC, shows differently. http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/281249,CST-N ...
      • manixrock, on 02/12/2008, -1/+2FTA: Sen. Barack Obama said Friday the use of military force should not be taken off the table when dealing with Iran, which he called "a threat to all of us."
      • UKLooney, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2So Hillary is up for anyway to install a dictatorship, and Obama wants to use diplomatic means to install a dictatorship. Which is the worst of the two evils?
        Vote Ron Paul
    • Zakalwe2, on 02/12/2008, -1/+11The idea of a presidential campaign is to WIN the election.
      • BAFrayd, on 02/12/2008, -1/+4It is for traitors like Clinton and Bush, and most other politicians. Every once in awhile a person comes along that really wants to make things better. You think Ron Paul is running just to win the election? He's running to get out a message of truth, in hopes that the idiot masses will wake up and take the country back from criminals like Clinton and Bush, and the great folks in the federal reserve (raping the American public since 1913!).
      • Zakalwe2, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1It's comments like "the idiot masses" that blunt Dr. Paul's message. How can you expect people you view as idiots to "take the country back"?
    • mGARANDEUR1, on 02/12/2008, -8/+15Ron Paul is the only good candidate running. Everyone else has their head shoved up their ass.
    • rh4009, on 02/12/2008, -1/+3Because they need the support of the "insiders" to win. And the "insiders" represent independent opinion and interests that may or may not be aligned with those of the "people". Will the eventual president chose to side with the "insiders" or with the "people" ?
      • BAFrayd, on 02/12/2008, -1/+1Do you really have to ask that?
      • TypeEE, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1I kind of agree with you. Ron Paul is a person who would reveal inside out and seemed like the insider doesn't like what he is doing. Americans doesn't accept that. I don't mind if my next president do a puppet show just to get elected but he chose to side with the people.
    • studdenfadden, on 02/12/2008, -2/+4Ron Paul can say whatever he wants because he stands no chance in hell of becoming president. That is the candor that has won him some pretty militant online supporters. To bad it will never equal more than results residing within the margin of error in polls.
      • nakani, on 02/12/2008, -0/+22nd place in Nevada, Maine, Louisiana, etc. = margin of error?
    • bluezinc, on 02/12/2008, -0/+6Ron Paul says these things because he has no concept of campaigning. Everyone knows that the majority of the public hates the truth. If you tell it to them, they will reject you. It's the job of the leader to know the truth and act on it, but to never publicly acknowledge it. They give the public access to the truth, but they don't say it aloud. It's just the way things are and have been for hundreds of years. If you don't believe me then read some Machiavelli and you'll see.

      Those who wish to hear the truth and seek it out, will find it. Those who would be offended by the truth, do not seek it.

      Obama and Clinton both are aware of this. I'm positive Obama won't abuse the CIA in this way. Clinton won't know how to abuse the CIA... well, until she gets pointers from Bill, of course.

      McCain has probably been told this, but ignored it because he doesn't want to deal with it or hear the downside of abusing the power of the CIA. All he knows is war = good, as long as I'm not fighting it.
      • TypeEE, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2I am a RP supporter but I am beginning to realize that. It's like you are selling skin care and you start telling your potential customer that she is old and ugly. People just want to hear something great.
    • PawnsOfJoshua, on 02/12/2008, -1/+0The plain and simple truth is that in order to support the American lifestyle that we as a populous demand, we have to have their oil, and I don't think any president, Ron Paul included *were* he to be elected, would be able to feasibly disregard the idea of military action against Iran. The only true recourse we have to avoid confrontation there is for our society to actually change the most basic patterns of our behavior - and most legitimate presidential candidates realize that will never happen.
      • TypeEE, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1So you mean we actually get oil cheaper by putting military base in middle east? How so? You mean other first world's countries' lifestyle suck compared to America?

        To me, cooperate might be getting it cheaper, but end users suffered from it. I saw Shell posted a record high revenue this quarter.
    • mempko, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Mike Gravel has been saying it even before Ron Paul. Mike Gravel has been saying it since the Vietnam war.
      • jeffiek, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Uh, Gravel is five years older than Paul.
  • DogWithHiv, on 02/12/2008, -71/+9Ron Paul dropped out of the race losers, no one cares.
    • caferrell, on 02/12/2008, -5/+20Yeah, good idea follow the example of mainstream media and marginalize the only candidate who is right about all the major concerns that we face.
      Dissing Ron Paul makes you appear sophisticated and powerful... Hillary Caesar is going to call and offer you a job
      • PabloMac, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3She will need another new campaign manager soon.
    • zephyr42, on 02/12/2008, -1/+28It's funny if more people listened to Ron Paul, we wouldn't be in Iraq. If you look at the c-span tapes of him back with Iraq was under discussion, he states then exactly what is happening now and what our current politicians are trying to gain ground by saying them at this point. Apparently he's right about Iran and our foreign policy...
    • Xcel, on 02/12/2008, -0/+19He hasn't dropped out yet. I buried you for inaccuracy.
  • someguyouknow, on 02/12/2008, -3/+37There is probably more to the story but this is pretty bad.

    Why do Americans alway think that these things we do do not have consequences? We do just as much dirt as most countries, its just that we have the money and resources to cover it up better.
    • asskicker32, on 02/12/2008, -1/+23Probably more? Sure. There is more.

      The US overthrew an emperor and installed the Shah. The Shah was bad and then his son came into power and shut up or killed everyone in opposition to him giving Oil to the west. Then, when the Shah was deposed in the late 70s - early 80s, the West funded Saddam and backed him in his war against Iran.

      Then Saddam turned on us and we killed him. AND THERE IS STILL MORE WE DONT KNOW!!!
      • LadyKofNYC, on 02/12/2008, -0/+28Mohammad Mosaddeq was actually the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran not an emperor ....... You're right, the CIA overthrew Mosaddeq and installed the psychotic blood thirsty Shah because Mosaddeq had the audacity to want to nationalize is country's oil so that his people could actually enjoy the fruits of their own land rather than continue to hand over all their wealth to western oil companies.

        We did the same thing to Pakistan, Iraq and all over Latin America and Africa.

        So I guess the best way to "spread Democracy" is to destroy Democracy and replace it with brutal dictatorships ....... oh wait.
        • Nimsim, on 02/12/2008, -1/+1he was talking about the shah's father, the first shah. He was thrown away for being Hitler friendly apparently.
    • ZenMojo, on 02/12/2008, -0/+6Yeah, there's more to the story. Basically, it's sort of what Hugo Chavez is doing in Venezuela except there wasn't a cable news channel in his country organizing a coup against him and editing footage into a violent narrative of brutal dictatorial suppression. Oh, and the UN wasn't in Iran making sure the votes were legitimate.
      For more info, watch "War on Democracy"
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=to6uNUTf8g4
      • llamaguy132, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1great film, 1/2 way through it now
    • PhilMoskowitz, on 02/12/2008, -0/+12You're in an endless loop of rash aggressive military action, then self forgiveness. Americans either don't hear about it on the news or they do but the intellectuals say how much they've learned and how policy changes will prevent this type of action in the future. The truth is that America needs an enemy at all times. If you don't have one you go make one. Eisenhower was right about the military industrial complex. They're the driving force behind America's precocious and random military actions. You're a menace to the human race all for the sake of an industry that sells death.
    • heystoopid, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1That is why US State Department is called "Foggy Bottom" for the past two hundred odd years !
    • newbis, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Let me get this straight... At the heart of the Cold War, the British lied to the U.S. government and encouraged us to overthrow the Iranian government for them. So the British maintained their high standard of living, and the U.S. looked (and still looks) like a bunch of evil bastards hellbent on world dominance.

      Cool. It's like something out of a really good book.
      • nakani, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction, at least, has to make sense.
  • sfacets, on 02/12/2008, -5/+5Of course they could.
    • progrockguy, on 02/12/2008, -2/+0*mumble mumble mumble* Arrgh terrorists! They took arrgh jobs! Nuclear bombs! Invade!!
    • drouk1556, on 02/12/2008, -1/+2Well the article asks a pretty interesting question; "Could people make fun of Senator Barack Obama for supporting real diplomacy with Iran and get away with it?"

      Yes, yes they could. The last decade in America has been a derivative of the whole principle of McCarthyism, where you can point fingers at some nation and suddenly they become a hoard of militant terrorists, guns pointed back at you. Ask around, enough people believe that the Iranians don't possess a legitimate military force and is rather defended by malicious terrorists. When we've reached the point that people view whole foreign militia as terrorists, then yes, diplomacy would seem to an ill-informed voting population a non-option. After all, "We don't negotiate with terrorists," right?
  • dizilbdog, on 02/12/2008, -9/+102If you were to tell most American's what we did in Iran they would say you are Left Wing Nut, or if you say we sold Weapons to Osama Bin Laden they would say get out you hate America and you are a traitor. Most American's don't know the truth because they are too busy with the Mainstream, and tend to not do research on the bad things out country has done
    • Laxaloot, on 02/12/2008, -16/+4It's a good thing your not generalizing an entire nation's people...
      • dizilbdog, on 02/12/2008, -1/+13It's a sad place this U.S.A right now people just pay attention to Oprah Mc Donald's Starbucks and the Stock Market and the house they can't afford, and I could go on and on but V for Vendetta is on...
      • FluffyWolf, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4Actually, he didn't. If you read his comment once again, you might see that. Most people is not the same as all people.
        • dizilbdog, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2thank you and most people read my comment and understood it but only most....
    • ZenMojo, on 02/12/2008, -1/+18The problem? Education. American history is a complex lie of perseverance, grudging paternalism, and flight of oppressed peoples toward new opportunity. Even the lie about the Pilgrims seeking freedom of religion (in reality, the Pilgrims were fleeing FROM Freedom of Religion because the Dutch weren't puritanical enough -- seriously).
      • eir574, on 02/12/2008, -0/+14Even worse, my American history classes in high school typically didn't cover modern history. We just ran out of time. I've learned a lot from other sources over the years, but it amazes me how ignorant people are about our political system and our modern history. I have a lot of foreign colleagues at work who ask me questions on those topics from time to time, and I'm shocked by how little some of the other American citizens in the room know. And these are intelligent people!
    • Zakalwe2, on 02/12/2008, -5/+5Do you have proof "we" sold weapons to bin Laden? If so, please cite it. Bin Laden was a coordinator/financier during the Afghan/Soviet war. "We" directly financed the Afghani Mujanhideen with cash and weapons, but bin Laden is Arabic, and raised his own funds and organized his own network, hence the title "Financier." It's how he created his terror network. I'm willing to believe some CIA money or guns made its way into bin Laden's hands, but I'd need to see some testimony or at least SOMETHING.
    • moush, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4Yes, i want sources.
    • Swanston, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4You Left Wing Nut, the U.S. didn't sell weapons to Osama, they sold them to Freedom Fighters![/sarcasm]
      • pirving27, on 03/07/2008, -0/+0Nice, all in all everything we do comes back to get us. We fund wars for our own financial benefit but forget that their are at least two sides to every war and someone is not going to be happy with us when its all said and done. Just as Ron Paul said, we need to understand the reasons that these terrorists attack us and most of the time its the ironic fact that we have troops controlling their countries.
  • Klydethegreater, on 02/12/2008, -1/+10Yes we would.
  • GoneGreen, on 02/12/2008, -6/+9No *****, the only reasons that americans hate Iraq is that this administration is trying to set their asses up, and the other is that they abducted those prisoners in the early 80's. But from their perspective, we have done much worse to them... just my opinion...
    • Zakalwe2, on 02/12/2008, -2/+1I don't think most Americans hate Iraq, I think most Americans are indifferent. Can you cite an article about the "early 80's" abduction so I can get up to speed on it?
      • GoneGreen, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Sorry, Typo/Mental blunder.... Iran not Iraq
    • MH94, on 02/12/2008, -1/+1Even though you're being dugg up, I'm sure you mean Iran not Iraq.
    • mstump, on 02/12/2008, -1/+1"...they abducted those prisoners in the early 80's."
      Interesting summary of the hostage crisis. I'd say that for anyone who was alive during that time, this is still a valid reason to, at the very least, thoroughly distrust Iran and its governments.
  • GorfTron, on 02/12/2008, -23/+7Iran needs to say this for itself. If they have a grievance against america, let them speak. All I hear about from them is something about Jews.
    • d03boy, on 02/12/2008, -3/+7How do you suggest that they speak to you? Obviously not our television since that is mostly filtered garbage...
    • pintomp3, on 02/12/2008, -2/+3imagine that, a president with poor approval ratings constantly referring to an external threat in order to distract people from his failings. the difference is, ahmadinejad is all talk and has no military authority.
  • digbird, on 02/12/2008, -19/+9What's the statute of limitations on national grievances? The overthrow of Mossadegh took place in 1953. If the Iranians are entitled to consider this a justifiable reason for hating us now, it would follow that we could be angry at Japan for attacking us at Pearl Harbor in 1941 and predicate our foreign policy on that grievance. Yet people would correctly say "that's insane" and blast the US for not getting over the past.

    And as for the argument that since we did Iran wrong back in 1953 means we can't take action against it now, that makes as much sense as saying that the Japanese have no right to defend their interests against us if we threatened them.
    • teamparadox, on 02/12/2008, -3/+8Well that makes no sense, a provision of our treaty with Japan after WWII is that we are their army so how would they take action against us?
    • bjornski, on 02/12/2008, -4/+7Please. Look up why Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, and get back to us.
      • Tangaroa, on 02/12/2008, -1/+4Japan bombed Pearl Harbour because the US controlled the Philippines and was friendly with Britain, and they wanted the US navy sunk and out of the way of their conquest of the oil-rich islands of southeast Asia that were chiefly protected by British forces.
      • IrvineS2K, on 02/12/2008, -2/+1Because the US provoked them on purpose?
    • Bodieslikesheep, on 02/12/2008, -3/+3You are not getting dugg down for stating truth, as a lot of that happens on Digg when it is facts that are unfavorable.
      The bankers, The oil barons, and corrupt government are the ones making decisions. We can argue over semantics but the truth is that American intervention into Iran disrupted their slow, but steady progression towards a democracy instead of a religious dictatorship.
    • Zakalwe2, on 02/12/2008, -4/+2Very reasoned and apt argument. Thanks for balancing the debate. Dugg up for countering the current.
    • EvolutionTheory, on 02/12/2008, -3/+1You have a very valid argument. Its too bad there are so many 14 year olds who lack any other authority in their lives taking their spite out on your post lol. Great argument though, its too bad not many others post similar stories. Its too bad people take the video posted as fact when its just talking heads telling us something they believe. Did the video link references? Did the video quote anyone? lol no... you could create just the same video catering to extreme views and obtain the same results from digg. You dont need facts! You dont need evidence! As long as there's a REMOTE connection somewhere the internet world will eat it up and add it to their supporting argument.
      • rrezzaa, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2Well, Video is saying a true fact that even Madeline Albright apologized Iranians for it, so no body can denied it.
        This comments can be very valid argument if you haven't missed one main thing. Now, Japan and US are friend and nether of them try to hurt the other. However, the story of Iran and US did not finished at this point.
        Like Iraq and Iran warn which had the great US support, attacking Iranian Air bus on the persian Gulf and killing 300 passengers, and ... and just name it..
        The other point that you missed is...This is not Iranian that hate you,,, this is a regime that now is in power as a result of your actions, and now even Iranians are suffering ...The point is for sake of Iranians, American, Arabs, jews and all the people of the middle east. stop fingering Iran
    • waspbr, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3that's a lousy argument
    • tdmckee, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3The point isn't that Iran is holding a grudge - the point is that rhetoric claiming that the US will fly in to magically bestow democracy on tyrannical Iran is bass ackwards and counterproductive, because the US in fact aided in removing the democratically elected government and replacing it with a dictator who infuriated the populace so much he inspired a religious revolution 25 years later.
    • pimpofpixels, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3Except in 1979 when the people of Iran revolted against the shah that put in power we gave a guy named Saddam Hussein a ton of weapons attack the country. (and by "we" i mean Rumsfeld, Reagan, and Bush Sr.). You think you're adding historical perspective, but really you're just demonstrating historical ignorance.
    • CaymanCarpediem, on 02/12/2008, -1/+1Does that work both ways? Should we also then now forgive and restore normal relations with Cuba for overthrowing our puppet dictator around the same time and siding with the Soviets?
  • AndrewDB, on 02/12/2008, -5/+14We Americans still cry, but because of the stupidity of our leaders, our cries have have fallen upon mute ears.
    • Zakalwe2, on 02/12/2008, -0/+6Mute ears?
    • IrvineS2K, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Yes our leaders deceived us, but it's time to stop being deceived!

      Vote for principle, not the lesser of two evils.
  • WestonP, on 02/12/2008, -4/+30Thank you! I've been making this point for some time now, but most people just don't get it, or refuse to open their mind to the possibility that America could ever make a mistake or deliberately do something evil. It's really disappointing that most people in this country are so hopelessly ignorant or indifferent when it comes to our own history, and even current politics, that we are forced to keep repeating the mistakes of the past. The Iranians have every right to hate us, because we'd sure hate them if they did the same things to us. The really disturbing thing is that we can't just blame this on Bush and have it end when he leaves office... he's has just been continuing an agenda that has been in place for decades, and taking it to the next level.
    • Zakalwe2, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4S'true. The Iranian govt has a legitimate beef. It's funny, though, that the vast majority of their people ain't holding a grudge, and in fact feel pretty good about America and Americans.
  • Ciryon, on 02/12/2008, -7/+19Important story, digg it.
  • socketman, on 02/12/2008, -16/+6In short - yes. Bomb bomb bomb Iran ...
  • asskicker32, on 02/12/2008, -2/+26The US only loves what brings their business partners more money. Look at Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Venezuela, Nicaragua, The Phillipines, Vietnam, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Jordan, Sri Lanka, Pakistan... The list goes on but the story is the same.
    • Jauladeoro, on 08/27/2008, -0/+1Don't forget that they did the same thing secretly in El Salvador in the 1980's. El Salvador was in a long drawn out civil war. The guerrillas fought against their rich, elitist, corrupt government... The US intervened, sending green berets to train the Salvadoran government army. That army later became a disgusting death squad which indiscriminately raped and killed women and children in villages.... Meanwhile, the US government (Regan administration), denied that we had anything to do with it.

      And Americans wondered why we're hated far and wide... In public school we're taught all kinds of myths and legends about how the US is everyones helpful big brother - how we help everyone around the world to have freedom like us - the greatest nation ever... How is this any different than the lies and brainwashing that go on in a place like North Korea? ... It makes me want to become a history teacher. I would depart from the text book and teach the truth. Hopefully my students wouldn't have to figure all of this out for themselves in their 20's like the rest of us.
  • sobebelushi, on 02/12/2008, -6/+19Why this post does not have 4000+ Diggs is beyond me...
    • Ozzy73, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3Because it just hit front page? Give it time and it will accumulate over 1000 diggs ;)
    • neptunebk, on 02/12/2008, -0/+14Stories about an actor overdosing on drugs gets 17,000+ diggs on digg. Typically American users. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the diggs are from outside the US for this story.
    • hollyberrry, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4>Why this post does not have 4000+ Diggs is beyond me...

      Especially with John McCain singing bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran to Beach Boy music *on camera*. Obviously this option is not yet off the table.
  • Qtip42, on 02/12/2008, -3/+6American government giving americans a bad name? No way! Everyone hates us.
    • mGARANDEUR1, on 02/12/2008, -3/+2What proof do you have of that? Have you been to every country in the world and taken a survey? No, i forgot most of you get all of your information from the mass media. fail
      • furyritchie, on 02/12/2008, -2/+2Dude, it's rare you find a person that doesn't hate America.
      • lowhauler, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2Hey, I live next door in Canuckistan. Wanna know the most distinctive feature of so-called Canadian patriotism? We're proud to be not Americans. And we're supposed to be your best friends. Draw your own conclusions.

        Not that I'm saying this is a good thing. And not that I even think patriotism or love of country is anything but delusionally misplaced. Just saying.
  • GregLoire, on 02/12/2008, -3/+19The more I learn about U.S. involvement with the rest of the world, the more indefensible it's revealed to be. People hate us for a reason. And no, not because they're jealous of our freedom. It's sickening to think that the ones most offended by the idea of America often being the bad guy are the ones who are most religious, as if our nation is literally holier than the rest of the world. These people need to open a textbook before insisting that God is always on America's side.
    • Mesmorize, on 02/12/2008, -2/+2Ah the enlightenment a six minute video brings to people.
    • qwdggtryj887m, on 02/12/2008, -1/+1Read 'A People's History of the United States' by Zinn, if you haven't already.
    • EtherGnat, on 02/12/2008, -0/+3Most any country has all kinds of skeletons in its closet. The big problem isn't the mistakes of the past but that we seem determined to repeat them. We've lost a lot of our standing in the world community in the last seven years. Unfortunately some people take pride in this, but the fact remains if you want to solve global problems (terrorism, global warming, bell bottomed pants--take your pick) it helps to have global partners. We had the support of the world after 9/11. We had the support of part of the world for Iraq. How many partners will we have next time we need the help?
      • lowhauler, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Dude, you had the genuine support of a small chunk of the world with a sizable chunk of its economy/political infrastructure invested in you. Most of the rest of the world was behaving in a more cynically politically expedient manner while reserving its actual opinion to itself. And a big chunk of the rest of the world said, "Yay!" Quietly.

        You think America wields such power because God has a special place in his heart for you? America has power because it asserts power in a *****'em before they ***** us policy. Everybody else just sees the sole of the boot comin' down.

        First you acknowledge publicly. Then you apologise. Then you make reparations. Then you look to the future. As if.
  • haylcron, on 02/12/2008, -17/+2If your icon wasn't a pot leaf, would I take you more seriously?
  • SleighBoy, on 02/12/2008, -2/+21We have to pay attention to history, and remember what this country has done in the very near past and why things are the way they are today. People think Ron Paul is out of touch talking about non-intervention and such "antiquated" topics as the industrial revolution and property rights. Quit backing candidates that just want to see things as they exist today, and treat that, we have to vote for people who want to treat the cause and not the symptom of the problems we face.

    Nobody is doing this but Ron Paul, and he still has a chance at getting nominated, don't believe what the media or state GOPs say. Take Washington, the state GOP says McCain won, but they are reporting attendee results only, not all the Paul supporters who became delegates and those that declared undecided for fear of being ousted. Time will reveal that Ron Paul won Washington state, and hopefully the trend continues and has been constant across the country in caucus/primary states and will be a real shock to all when the media had been reporting slim Paul delegates this whole time.
    • IrvineS2K, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4That's right... Ron Paul garnered an official 21% of Washington State's primary/caucus, but is actually closer to 30% once the "uncommitted" RP supporters are factored in. Ron Paul may have temporarily fallen into the media's memory hole amidst claims of mathematical impossibilities, but this movement is growing and growing, and there's a high chance for a LOT of drama still left in the presidential race.

      Let's march on Washington:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryMliyeIDp4
  • j.carcinogen, on 02/12/2008, -2/+34“Let me see if I get this right. We need to borrow $10 billion from China, and then we give it to Musharraf, who is a military dictator, who overthrew an elected government. And then we go to war, we lose all these lives promoting democracy in Iraq. I mean, what’s going on here?” -Ron Paul

    “Let me make this clear, there are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.” --Barack Obama, Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars
    • d03boy, on 02/12/2008, -3/+8Barack sounds like someone I know... name starts with a "G" and ends with "eorge W. Bush".
      • SleighBoy, on 02/12/2008, -1/+2And what do they all have in common..it start with a "C" and ends with a "ouncil on Foreign Relations"
        And why do both Obama and Huckabee talk about needing more highways? Makes you wonder..
      • EtherGnat, on 02/12/2008, -1/+5There's a big difference between a small tactical strike and invading an entire country.
        • BAFrayd, on 02/12/2008, -3/+2No there isn't. THAT is the point. You've been brainwashed... Stop drinking the cool-aid.
        • JoEBlack982, on 02/12/2008, -0/+1Of course there's a ***** difference. Hell Ron Paul was in favor of targeting terrorists in Afghanistan.

          We just need to take our military bases out of the middle east and calm relations. That will slow al-queda recruitment.
  • bigp3rm, on 02/12/2008, -2/+26I get my haircut from an Iranian woman. Her grandfather was a general at the time of the coup. They had to flee the country or they would have been murdered. It amazes me that we treat these people like they are savages. When in truth they have a bright educated culture. I really hope we don't invade and kill innocent people (again and again) all in the name of the "War on Terror".
    • makkaveli19, on 02/12/2008, -1/+5you know a huge population of iran is well educated(the schools were very tough) also they have a huge student population.
    • tgc1, on 02/12/2008, -1/+6Plus the country itself is beautiful. Take a look. America is out of control. Like a madman with a gun. You just don't know who he's going to shoot next.
  • whateverman76, on 02/12/2008, -1/+5how easy it is a thing our gov forgets the history of our beloved country.
  • anarchytv, on 02/12/2008, -7/+15The entire United States system of government, justice, law and order is based on nothing but lies and projecting power on a fine grained level.. internalizing fear, promoting consumerism, eliminating true democracy and replacing it with some sort of minimalist 'fake democracy' which isn't democracy at all. You get to vote every four years for a tiny handful of recycled polititicans who you don't like and don't know at all, but you never ever get to make any of the laws you live under, vote directly on them, or most importantly, veto the ones you don't like or repeal taxes that are no longer justified. Worse, you never get to have any input on policy decisions, military spending, or anything to do with the budget. Nobody in the world wants American Style Democracy, and I would argue, most American's don't even want it. They don't like their system of government at all. They have no input in it whatsoever... they think they do... but they don't. Just look at how everybody wants Bush out of the White House, but nobody could do anything about it for four years... and the vast majority of politicians in power now are going to get reelected and stay right where they are now.
    • bunit03057, on 02/12/2008, -2/+1"eliminating true democracy" We NEVER had a true democracy. 'fake democracy' AKA a republic
      "but nobody could do anything about it for four years" Because unlike some countries we can't just have a general election whenever we want. It's in our constitution.
      "recycled polititicans"-- Obama?
    • bunit03057, on 02/12/2008, -2/+1anarchytv get out into the world. You are a shut in who does not live in reality. You believe that everyone shares your views and you make things up on the spot. Their are many countries adopting an American style of democracy without our support.
      • IrvineS2K, on 02/12/2008, -1/+2Yes, many countries have gone past the point of no return on Westernizing. This is not because they think America is a fine example of a society, it's a result of all the human and economic factors that led America to this version of society in the first place. The leaders know what they're getting into -- an illusion for the mob while they can do their own power grabs behind the scenes. American-style democracy is easy & nearly effortless & is basically an emergent behavior of a government embracing central banking. And the peoples.... they are starstruck, eyes glazed over at the prospect of driving around shiny automobiles to the mall to buy Gucci, watching ____ Idol, and in general living in a fantasy land - which in actuality, much like our stock markets, are a propped up version of life -- it has a fake feeling to it once you've looked down to realize there's very little foundation left. I know it sucks if you're already used to this sort of life, but we honestly don't have a choice in having to scale down pretty soon. Either we will do it of our own volition in a sound principled manner with a transition that results in a happy & prosperous society, or we will be forced to lower our quality of life in a dramatic & chaotic fashion in a way that lets power brokers step in and decide our fates.

        For the sake of your future and your future descendants, you must choose:
        http://www.breakthematrix.com
    • pimpofpixels, on 02/12/2008, -1/+1Did you ever ask yourself why all of our government buildings are built in the style of the ancient Roman Empire?
    • 56kCowboy, on 02/12/2008, -1/+1You do have the ability to regulate your own laws. It's called jury nullification. So when someone is on trial, the law itself is being tried as much as the person is. Juries need to wake up to the fact that judges can't order them to do *****. It was the fourth pillar of government our forefathers came up with to keep common sense and common law in the justice system.
  • poidh, on 02/12/2008, -11/+2So, if a potential mistake was made in the past, then it's not possible to ever do the right thing in the future?
    • Drogoganor, on 02/12/2008, -1/+6Not if the same motivations are in place that caused the ***** up in the first place....
    • pintomp3, on 02/12/2008, -2/+4how are we doing the "right thing"? we had a chance again to do the right thing again when the secular khatami extended an olive branch to the US right after the iraq invasion. but the israel lobby assumed that we were done in iraq and had it in their head that iran would be next, so the offer was declined.
      • poidh, on 02/12/2008, -6/+1Ah yes. The secular and "moderate" Khatami. Even though he was neither. But the point was that he was meant to fool the West. and in your case, he succeeded.
        • makkaveli19, on 02/12/2008, -0/+6sure, wtf do you even know. i was there when he was gettin elected, the people loved him. he gave so much freedom to people.
  • nardo510, on 02/12/2008, -20/+6Bo hoo! we ***** a country over..So what? we have done this to many countries through our history, and you know what? I don't give a *****. I as an American have a higher standard of living because of these bad things. I hate how some liberals bastards talk so much ***** about our country. Our country is so great it allows you to have free speech, so many other liberties. I don't care what other people say, I've benefited from our country doing things. It means I can go to mall and be able to buy nice goods cheaply. Seriously you liberals piss me of sometimes..
    • Drogoganor, on 02/12/2008, -1/+16So don't complain about 9/11.
      • Mesmorize, on 02/12/2008, -5/+2Right, we'll just ***** them up some more.
    • wesd, on 02/12/2008, -1/+13Wow, people as dumb as you really do exist!

      Oh no, I don't live in America... am I "free" to say things like that?? Yes. Yes I am.

    • DesignerDave, on 02/12/2008, -1/+7Wouldn't it be better to think about other people too?
      There are other people you know. The world doesn't revolve around you alone.
      That's a lesson a lot of people try teaching their children between the ages of 3 and 5 I'd say.
    • d03boy, on 02/12/2008, -0/+4blowback
    • parirami, on 02/12/2008, -0/+6what a douchebag.

      I hope your house gets repossessed and ul need a second mortgage to get your kid through college.
    • EtherGnat, on 02/12/2008, -0/+2Wow, that's either brilliant sarcasm or scary ignorance. I'm not sure which.
  • BannedTwice, on 02/12/2008, -19/+4***** A nardo510 .. ***** these bitches. Bomb Iran into the stone age.
    • wesd, on 02/12/2008, -0/+8This is one of those times I wish I'd see a /sarcasm tag. A couple of years ago I had aspirations of moving to the USA, I'm kinda sad that I've realised the truth about some of the inhabitants. I know they're not all as ignorant as you but there's definately enough