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- bonecones, on 02/12/2008, -24/+309Americans did this all over the world.
Take a look at the history of latin america or the middle east. The pattern repeats itself. The US is once again trying to supress local governments in order to install governments aligned to the profits of their corporations.
I don't know if americans learn this on their schools, I know I did.
I wonder if americans trully knew what their government does in their names things would be different.
For a more recent case of US intervention do some research on the 2002 coup attempt in Venezuela. - akash8m, on 02/12/2008, -37/+187Ron Paul has been saying this for some time now, but nobody seems to listen. Among all the Arab countries, they are the only ones who are doing good for the people there and don't have dictatorship.
- Nanobe, on 02/12/2008, -10/+145Here's the brief history of the U.S. as explained in my U.S. public education experience:
- The scientists used to believe the world was flat and Columbus proved them wrong.
- The Native Americans greeted us as liberators, except for the evil ones who scalped people for no reason.
- The Boston Tea Party incident happened because Britain was taxing us crazy high amounts without allowing us representation (no, we never learned that Britain was actually selling the tea at a discount and the protesters were simply angry at their own business' loss of profits)
- We won the Revolutionary War on our own because we were motivated knowing that we were the good guys fighting the bad guys.
- The Civil War was all about slavery, and the North won because they were motivated knowing that they were the good guys fighting the bad guys.
- We did everything 100% honorably during World War II and we won because we were the good guys, not because Hitler made a stupid move into Russia and we did horrible things to the Japanese and Japanese-American people. Shush.
- We've never lost a war. Korea and Vietnam don't count because we technically won them, even if we maybe didn't win them by as much as we wanted.
- 9/11 happened because Muslim culture hates freedom. - AskWithoutBias, on 02/12/2008, -17/+116Why do I hear none of this talk from Clinton or Obama? Why is Ron Paul one of the few making this a cornerstone of his foreign policy?
- dizilbdog, on 02/12/2008, -9/+103If you were to tell most American's what we did in Iran they would say you are Left Wing Nut, or if you say we sold Weapons to Osama Bin Laden they would say get out you hate America and you are a traitor. Most American's don't know the truth because they are too busy with the Mainstream, and tend to not do research on the bad things out country has done
- d0onut, on 02/12/2008, -5/+78"I don't know if americans learn this on their schools"
No, we don't learn things in school. - GhostyBoy, on 02/12/2008, -6/+60Always ask "who benefits?" Attacking Iraq has plunged America into debt and cost many American lives.
The media has perpetuated a culture of fear and a willingness to go to war amongst the people, but this is part of an agenda that benefits people who are not your average working class citizens. The reasons for middle eastern intervention are predominantly propaganda to gain public support for these wars.
What are the real motives, and who stands to gain? - inactive, on 02/12/2008, -2/+49if any of us tried to get up and speak the truth we would all be considered far out whack jobs too. Its not about telling the truth, its about appeasing people and being very bland an unoffensive to those with the political clout, power and wealth in the country.
Ron Paul isn't the only one saying it, he is just speaking for the rest of us.. the rest of us being the people without all of the power and wealth that are made out to be 'on the fringes of society' when the reality is we are the backbone of the country. - someguyouknow, on 02/12/2008, -3/+38There is probably more to the story but this is pretty bad.
Why do Americans alway think that these things we do do not have consequences? We do just as much dirt as most countries, its just that we have the money and resources to cover it up better. - llamaguy132, on 02/12/2008, -1/+35we didn't learn anything like this in school, in the HS and MS curriculum's barely touched on the middle east and South America
- j.carcinogen, on 02/12/2008, -2/+34“Let me see if I get this right. We need to borrow $10 billion from China, and then we give it to Musharraf, who is a military dictator, who overthrew an elected government. And then we go to war, we lose all these lives promoting democracy in Iraq. I mean, what’s going on here?” -Ron Paul
“Let me make this clear, there are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.” --Barack Obama, Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars - someguyouknow, on 02/12/2008, -2/+32Or he/she could have just made a mistake...
- inactive, on 02/12/2008, -0/+28Mohammad Mosaddeq was actually the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran not an emperor ....... You're right, the CIA overthrew Mosaddeq and installed the psychotic blood thirsty Shah because Mosaddeq had the audacity to want to nationalize is country's oil so that his people could actually enjoy the fruits of their own land rather than continue to hand over all their wealth to western oil companies.
We did the same thing to Pakistan, Iraq and all over Latin America and Africa.
So I guess the best way to "spread Democracy" is to destroy Democracy and replace it with brutal dictatorships ....... oh wait. - WestonP, on 02/12/2008, -4/+31Thank you! I've been making this point for some time now, but most people just don't get it, or refuse to open their mind to the possibility that America could ever make a mistake or deliberately do something evil. It's really disappointing that most people in this country are so hopelessly ignorant or indifferent when it comes to our own history, and even current politics, that we are forced to keep repeating the mistakes of the past. The Iranians have every right to hate us, because we'd sure hate them if they did the same things to us. The really disturbing thing is that we can't just blame this on Bush and have it end when he leaves office... he's has just been continuing an agenda that has been in place for decades, and taking it to the next level.
- zephyr42, on 02/12/2008, -1/+28It's funny if more people listened to Ron Paul, we wouldn't be in Iraq. If you look at the c-span tapes of him back with Iraq was under discussion, he states then exactly what is happening now and what our current politicians are trying to gain ground by saying them at this point. Apparently he's right about Iran and our foreign policy...
- bigp3rm, on 02/12/2008, -2/+27I get my haircut from an Iranian woman. Her grandfather was a general at the time of the coup. They had to flee the country or they would have been murdered. It amazes me that we treat these people like they are savages. When in truth they have a bright educated culture. I really hope we don't invade and kill innocent people (again and again) all in the name of the "War on Terror".
- asskicker32, on 02/12/2008, -2/+26The US only loves what brings their business partners more money. Look at Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Venezuela, Nicaragua, The Phillipines, Vietnam, China, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Jordan, Sri Lanka, Pakistan... The list goes on but the story is the same.
- kambiz, on 02/12/2008, -7/+30As one commenter already pointed out, your "among all the Arab countries" statement isn't correct. Iran is not an Arab country. They may share a similar majority religion to other Arab countries, but they have a much different history, culture, ethnic composition, language when compared to Arab countries like Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.
Furthermore, I recommend you reconsider thinking the government of Iran doing good for the people and is not a 'dictatorship.' The clergy, a.k.a. the ayatollahs and mullahs are a dominant force in the government. That's why it is called the -Islamic Republic- of Iran. That being said, the clergy is not voted into office, and represents a theocratic dictatorship. Just ask the women who HAVE to wear a hijab, and the objectionable force they use against dissidence . - asskicker32, on 02/12/2008, -1/+23Probably more? Sure. There is more.
The US overthrew an emperor and installed the Shah. The Shah was bad and then his son came into power and shut up or killed everyone in opposition to him giving Oil to the west. Then, when the Shah was deposed in the late 70s - early 80s, the West funded Saddam and backed him in his war against Iran.
Then Saddam turned on us and we killed him. AND THERE IS STILL MORE WE DONT KNOW!!! - johndi, on 02/12/2008, -4/+25Arab is not a race, and Muslim is not a race. He made no comments for or against either. To me it looks like a geography error. You're the one who seems to think race is important.
- Hoogie7Dowser, on 02/12/2008, -8/+28SHHHH! Or they'll send the Jackals after you...
- digitalhair, on 02/12/2008, -4/+23As I watch For Sale signs popping up more and more in front of houses all over my city, I realize that some of the people with enough money - and enough certainty about the future of their wealth - to buy them all up are the same individuals that took part in deregulating the mortgage & loan business by loosening restrictions and oversite on lenders responsible for causing the sub-prime meltdown in the first place. These are the same free market wackos committing all the fraud with our money by scoring no-bid contracts in Iraq, investing in private security companies after privatizing the functions of our military and scaring the public about having to fight "them" over here, investing in pharmaceuticals that combat agents that will potentially be used by terrorists, supressing innovation in energy production because their family's wealth was built with oil. I couldn't agree with your philosophy more.
- Xcel, on 02/12/2008, -0/+19He hasn't dropped out yet. I buried you for inaccuracy.
- digitalhair, on 02/12/2008, -5/+24We should all be sharing this information as much as we can right now, and not later. It's clear to me that these perpetrators rely upon several layers of deception that are designed to fool people using non-sequitur, irrelevant, and dogmatic dialogue in debating their actions, effectively undermining our discovery of the simple truth that has always been sitting in the History books/documentaries/documents right in front of our faces. American citizens need to broaden the context of our understanding of current events NOW because, after watching this video, we are morally compelled to do so.
- SleighBoy, on 02/12/2008, -2/+21We have to pay attention to history, and remember what this country has done in the very near past and why things are the way they are today. People think Ron Paul is out of touch talking about non-intervention and such "antiquated" topics as the industrial revolution and property rights. Quit backing candidates that just want to see things as they exist today, and treat that, we have to vote for people who want to treat the cause and not the symptom of the problems we face.
Nobody is doing this but Ron Paul, and he still has a chance at getting nominated, don't believe what the media or state GOPs say. Take Washington, the state GOP says McCain won, but they are reporting attendee results only, not all the Paul supporters who became delegates and those that declared undecided for fear of being ousted. Time will reveal that Ron Paul won Washington state, and hopefully the trend continues and has been constant across the country in caucus/primary states and will be a real shock to all when the media had been reporting slim Paul delegates this whole time. - etherreal, on 02/12/2008, -3/+21OMG....does that mean that old whack job Ron Paul was right all along? You mean its NOT crazy? Too ***** late.
- wolfofwar, on 02/12/2008, -4/+22While the government plummets into debt, companies like Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon all skyrocket to epic annual profits.
Its not about the GOVERNMENT making money, is about the corporations that own the government making money.
Corporatism at work. - Xcel, on 02/12/2008, -4/+22"Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins is the book Hoogie is referring to. A great read, I recommend it to all.
- GregLoire, on 02/12/2008, -3/+20The more I learn about U.S. involvement with the rest of the world, the more indefensible it's revealed to be. People hate us for a reason. And no, not because they're jealous of our freedom. It's sickening to think that the ones most offended by the idea of America often being the bad guy are the ones who are most religious, as if our nation is literally holier than the rest of the world. These people need to open a textbook before insisting that God is always on America's side.
- ZenMojo, on 02/12/2008, -1/+18The problem? Education. American history is a complex lie of perseverance, grudging paternalism, and flight of oppressed peoples toward new opportunity. Even the lie about the Pilgrims seeking freedom of religion (in reality, the Pilgrims were fleeing FROM Freedom of Religion because the Dutch weren't puritanical enough -- seriously).
- hikaruzero, on 02/12/2008, -1/+17You're a know-nothing. Iran is essentially the modern Persian state. The country was formerly named Persia for crying out loud. The Arab Empire and the Persian Empire previously even waged war against eachother, with the Arabs invading Persia/Iran and eventually being driven out.
I can forgive you for thinking there is no difference. To us Americans, Middle Easterners all look the same, the same way Asians all look the same to us. Very few Americans can look at an Asian-American and say "he's Vietnamese" or "Japanese" or "Chinese" or "Korean," because we aren't familiar with the ethnic traits or the subtle facial differences, or even the languages.
Yet, as Americans, we can tell when somebody is from Brooklyn from their accent. We can tell if you're from San Fran or Philly or Dallas. Why? Because we live there, we have all met and had long conversations wtih people from these different parts of the country.
The places where we DON'T live, the places we DON'T know the history of, the people from these areas are the ones we have a hard time understanding. And it's a shame. - Hobbes24, on 02/12/2008, -1/+16we mostly learn stuf, adn how spell...good
- inactive, on 02/12/2008, -1/+16So don't complain about 9/11.
- inactive, on 02/12/2008, -5/+20Yeah, good idea follow the example of mainstream media and marginalize the only candidate who is right about all the major concerns that we face.
Dissing Ron Paul makes you appear sophisticated and powerful... Hillary Caesar is going to call and offer you a job - Tiak, on 02/12/2008, -1/+16Arab IS a race, look it up, that is the ONLY thing that being Arab is defined as... Hence the Arabs in Darfur. His point was Persian is ALSO a race, the race of the Iranian people, who have a history separate from that of the Arabs.
It was however a dumb thing to comment on comment in this case, as the original poster was obviously just uninformed on the difference... This isn't something people talk about in America often. - eir574, on 02/12/2008, -0/+14Even worse, my American history classes in high school typically didn't cover modern history. We just ran out of time. I've learned a lot from other sources over the years, but it amazes me how ignorant people are about our political system and our modern history. I have a lot of foreign colleagues at work who ask me questions on those topics from time to time, and I'm shocked by how little some of the other American citizens in the room know. And these are intelligent people!
- bunit03057, on 02/12/2008, -1/+15Most of this is truly what you learn if you do not go to college or are not educated at a private school.
- sobebelushi, on 02/12/2008, -6/+20Why this post does not have 4000+ Diggs is beyond me...
- inactive, on 02/12/2008, -0/+14Stories about an actor overdosing on drugs gets 17,000+ diggs on digg. Typically American users. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the diggs are from outside the US for this story.
- Terr01, on 02/12/2008, -4/+18Who the hell are you and what are you smoking?
- tehbored, on 02/12/2008, -0/+13I actually did learn much of this in high school. Most American schools probably don't teach about how America overthrew functioning democracies all over the world, but even if they did, it wouldn't n matter because most American kids don't want to learn history and simply wouldn't pay attention.
- dizilbdog, on 02/12/2008, -1/+13It's a sad place this U.S.A right now people just pay attention to Oprah Mc Donald's Starbucks and the Stock Market and the house they can't afford, and I could go on and on but V for Vendetta is on...
- inactive, on 02/12/2008, -5/+17The CIA has only done us harm. Hey cannot get intelligence right, they are wrong more often than the New York Times and that is because they are not really an intelligince organization, they are a secret para military organization that uses dirty tricks, dirty money and assasination to try to mould the world to what their hierarchy finds most promising.
However the CIA is tremendously inept and ***** up everything that they touch:
Bay of Pigs
Mossadegh
Castro assasination atempts
etc.
As Ron Paul said we should shut the doors and fire them all. Use that money to start bailing out Social Security - PhilMoskowitz, on 02/12/2008, -0/+12You're in an endless loop of rash aggressive military action, then self forgiveness. Americans either don't hear about it on the news or they do but the intellectuals say how much they've learned and how policy changes will prevent this type of action in the future. The truth is that America needs an enemy at all times. If you don't have one you go make one. Eisenhower was right about the military industrial complex. They're the driving force behind America's precocious and random military actions. You're a menace to the human race all for the sake of an industry that sells death.
- wesd, on 02/12/2008, -1/+13Wow, people as dumb as you really do exist!
Oh no, I don't live in America... am I "free" to say things like that?? Yes. Yes I am. - Terr01, on 02/12/2008, -1/+13I like to repeat a distinction I heard once before:
Nationalist: My country, right or wrong.
Patriotic: My country, may it be right. - Ciryon, on 02/12/2008, -7/+19Important story, digg it.
- Terr01, on 02/12/2008, -0/+11Also, Hawaii became a state because it was probably just discovered or something.
- TheTaoOfBill, on 02/12/2008, -4/+15I think they would pay a lot more attention if the truth was told in history classes. It makes history much more juicy and interesting.
I actually failed US history in high school twice because I couldn't stop falling asleep in class. My consoler told me I was going to have to take a slow kids history class. I told him that I was not a slow kid and I told him I'd prove it by taking AP History. He thought I was crazy but in the end I had the final say and got placed into AP history. And guess what? I stayed awake every day because everyday I learned something new about the so-called American heroes of history. Holy *****? Columbus killed all the native Americans in the Bahamas in a massive genocide? Whoa! Lincoln didn't really care all that much about slavery? We were in a war with the philipines and ordered our generals to kill everyone over 10?! Jesus! We've done some ***** up things in the past!
I wound up getting a B in the class and an overall better understanding of not only history but current events as well and have since been able to look at the world in a much bigger picture. I thank my stars everyday that I had the guts to take that AP history course and I really hope everyone still in high school does the same. History is no fun when all it is is a bunch of lies. - chipsngravy, on 02/12/2008, -2/+13yeah the rich ones i.e the minority
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