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worldnetdaily.com — Congress examines Electro-Magnetic Pulse danger to United States infrastructure. A VERY-REAL, CLEAR and IMMINENT DANGER. "Hardened" electronics, and old VACUUM-TUBE radios/televisions could work after an "EMP".
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- DrReaper, on 07/08/2008, -3/+5Water, Power, Transportation, everything has an electronic facet to it. The country would come to a stand still. It's sure to happen if we keep starting wars all over the world. Its only a matter of time before we attack the wrong country. Following the constitution is not a bad idea in today's world. We have no plan to deal with this at all. The military might but the people have no protection.
- Fordi, on 07/08/2008, -8/+12Ok, I'll speak for a moment as an ex-Navy nuclear engineer.
Contrary to popular belief, a simple 'dirty' bomb* exploded in high altitude (that is, altitude high enough that we'd be unable to safely intercept it before detonation) will not generate a sufficiently powerful EMP to knock out power grids. You'd need a nuclear weapon that is tuned for maximum gamma emission and minimal explosive value and alpha fallout. I can't legally tell you the specs for something like that (nor can I really remember; it's been almost ten years, and we're not allowed to keep anything), but I can tell you that they're rather tight, with tolerances in the microns, micrograms, and millipascals.
Meanwhile, most of the urban electrical grid is shielded in what are known as 'faraday cages'; even a really, really powerful EMP set off a mere mile directly above would only heat up their shielding. Same goes for every single computer used today - they have to be shielded against incoming and outgoing electromagnetic interference, due to the FCC regulations that they can't block it any other way.
What will go down is cellular phones, broadcast TV recievers, satellite communications and wireless and unshielded networking (depending on the robustness of a given network card; most are surge-protected, but many aren't) for the duration of the gamma flux (about 30 seconds). The exception here is cellphones and wireless networking, which may melt if the EMP is strong enough (which, as I said, requires a much more tuned bomb than a dirty one).
I don't mean to impugn the character of Rev. Graham - there's enough of that going about - but he's doesn't seem exactly qualified to head up this sort of analysis.
* I specify 'dirty' bombs because it's impossible to derive the necessary specifications of a 'clean' or 'tactical' bomb without first gathering empirical data using dirty bombs (or buying / torturing nuclear secrets from an individual who has such information).- PappyPapillon, on 07/08/2008, -2/+9"I don't mean to impugn the character of Rev. Graham - there's enough of that going about - but he's doesn't seem exactly qualified to head up this sort of analysis."
Wrong Graham. William R. Graham was the deputy administrator of NASA. He's a recognized authority on missiles and missile defense systems. - JimmySpaza, on 07/08/2008, -7/+8Buried as Fordi spam.
What? Don't like it? Hypocrite. - DrReaper, on 07/08/2008, -1/+3WWII showed us bomb making is possible. I can also think of a way to explode it high up without a missile. The threat is very real. Personal computers are not going to save us when all the cars and trucks stop working.
- B1663r, on 07/08/2008, -5/+2Buried for lying about being the military, making the poster the worst possible type of scum.
- Fordi, on 07/09/2008, -3/+4Not lying. I was in the US Navy from age 18 to age 20. I got out a year before 9/11, and count myself lucky for it. I got 99 on my ASVAB, and 75 on the advanced placement test, and was subsequently asked to take on a nuclear field discipline. I attended Navy Boot camp for the requisite two months, during which my field was narrowed to Nuclear Field Machinist Mate, carrying an enlisted rank of E-3 (Fireman) during boot camp, and E-4 upon graduation to Nuclear Field 'A' School. I was second in my class in 'A' and first in Power school. I left at the end of my first enlistment, still as an E-4 (Petty Officer, 3rd class), as I really lost interest in the whole 'staring at gauges and occasionally tightening a valve' job that NFMM's are pretty much relegated to.
We're a different animal from much of the rest of the military, us Nukes. Ask any seaman about it. - congresssucks, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2Fordi, you are full of crap, you were a washout in the Navy Nuclear power program. I too was in the program and was an electronics tech and qualified as a Reactor operator in the Reactor control division of a boomer, SSBN. The machinist mates are the dumbest of nuke personnel, and the program is a 6 year program not two, as I said you washed out.
- PappyPapillon, on 07/08/2008, -2/+9"I don't mean to impugn the character of Rev. Graham - there's enough of that going about - but he's doesn't seem exactly qualified to head up this sort of analysis."
- janknepper, on 07/08/2008, -0/+2There is a possibility of this happening no matter what. Whether we initiate a war with good cause or not so good cause, under true or false pretenses.
I personally do not think someone alike Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is negotiable. Thinking that someone like that would be or could be is a fundamental mistake, one we have made in the past as well.
If people like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and countries like Iraq do not comply with agreements or stop complying with agreements and start with threads of war, terrorism or destruction... I for one much rather see that happen (if it has to happen) in their backyard than in mine.
- Fordi, on 07/08/2008, -8/+12Ok, I'll speak for a moment as an ex-Navy nuclear engineer.
- Fordi, on 07/08/2008, -14/+13Buried as WorldNetDaily spam.
- Deanology, on 07/08/2008, -6/+9Have you been a fool all your life, or just in the past year or so when you heard the tantalizing sounds of Barack Obama's flute? The threat, no matter how small or insignificant it is in that small mind of yours, is real. The Chinese not only claim that they can "power us down", but they have already breached our nation's computer security as a precursor to their future planning. The reason you say "Buried as WorldNetDaily spam" is quite simple, it scares the crap out of you, as well as it should. You are also like so many other people in the US today who are too chicken s--t to ever want to hit first in order to avoid being hit. It is your way of thinking that scares me much, much more than any of our strategic defense policies.
- KJeffV, on 07/08/2008, -7/+7"Have you been a fool all your life...?"
No, he made one good decision: got out of the USN. Good thing, too, as we desire the sea svcs to be devoid of lunar chiroptera. - Fordi, on 07/08/2008, -5/+9Actually, my position is one of sense. I suppose you don't know what a Type I v. Type II error is, or how that would apply to potential death tolls, and how military balance of power weighs in on the equations. I'm sure you look at from a strictly combat point of view, hence the childish 'kill or be killed' mentality.
Doesn't matter.
@KJeffV:
You don't know the requirements for becoming a Navy Nuke, do you? Suffice it to say, I'm quite a bit smarter than any bat you'll come across, moony or not. - B1663r, on 07/08/2008, -5/+5Fordi,
You got several fundamental details about EMP bombs wrong. For example, nothing nuclear is needed for a significant EMP blast.
You also seem ignorant of the new generation of fusion bombs that don't need fission triggers, and the whole behind the scenes arms race that is occurring with this technology. (Which is built upon EMP bomb technology BTW, and represents a much more significant threat than EMP bombs ever did)
Because your misinformation is so profound, and the only purpose of it is to cause fear, I suspect you were never really in the navy and are actually shilling for Al Queda.
Go the ***** back to Afghanistan you terrorist. - Fordi, on 07/08/2008, -5/+5Great bit of deduction there, Dubya. Admittedly, a Navy Nuke deals more with fission plants than weapons. As such, I'm pretty well versed in fission-based bombs, as that's what you NEVER EVER want your plant to become - and admittedly poorly versed in fusion-type bombs.
Still, faraday shielding is pretty robust, even in basic electronics. To my knowledge, even a strong EMP can't cause the multi-thousand volt shifts required to cause a power grid collapse. I may be wrong; I'll ask for the data if you've got it.
Meanwhile, my post essentially assuaged fear in the face of a decidedly fearmongering article. But then, from what I can tell, anyone who reads WND has already decided that black is white, etc. - B1663r, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2LOL, I bet you think fission bombs work off of the fake plans that have been in all the science books for all these years.
- StaticThunder, on 07/09/2008, -3/+4@B1663r
All (real) information on trigger-less fusion bombs is classified. The fact that its classified is the only information about them that IS declassified.
As such, I doubt you know anything about the state of current research in that area or have even considered the technical difficulties of achieving a sustained bomb-like fusion burn outside of laser ignition facility when we can barely produce a break-even burn within one.
I get a distinct paranoid vibe from you, making you the perfect world-net daily disinformation customer.
- KJeffV, on 07/08/2008, -7/+7"Have you been a fool all your life...?"
- JimmySpaza, on 07/08/2008, -10/+5Buried as Fordi spam.
What? Don't like it? Hypocrite. - SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -8/+3The infrastructure of this nation is RIFE with what is needed to produce a sufficient EMP that would wipe a city-grid.
You don't need a gun, to fire a bullet.
You're not half as smart, as you lead yourself to believe. - KJeffV, on 07/08/2008, -4/+4"You don't know the requirements f/becoming a Nuke, do you?"
Resident of Groton f/ten yrs; whaddyou think?
"Suffice it to say, I'm quite a bit smarter than any bat you'll come across, moony or not."
I note that, almost w/o exception, those on the Left never hesitate to tell me how smart/educated they are. It's almost as if they didn't realize how much can be gleaned fr/someone's writing.
"We're ready to believe you!" [w/apologies to Dan, Harold, Bill, & Ernie]- StaticThunder, on 07/09/2008, -3/+3@KJeffV
Most of us have already established how ignorant you are. Your evaluations of other diggers are hardly revelatory. - KJeffV, on 07/09/2008, -2/+2Hardly revelatory, indeed . . . nevertheless, highly relevant.
- StaticThunder, on 07/09/2008, -3/+3@KJeffV
- Deanology, on 07/08/2008, -6/+9Have you been a fool all your life, or just in the past year or so when you heard the tantalizing sounds of Barack Obama's flute? The threat, no matter how small or insignificant it is in that small mind of yours, is real. The Chinese not only claim that they can "power us down", but they have already breached our nation's computer security as a precursor to their future planning. The reason you say "Buried as WorldNetDaily spam" is quite simple, it scares the crap out of you, as well as it should. You are also like so many other people in the US today who are too chicken s--t to ever want to hit first in order to avoid being hit. It is your way of thinking that scares me much, much more than any of our strategic defense policies.
- AlBarrs, on 07/08/2008, -0/+7This strategy isn't all it has been touted to be. Now, "the rest of the story...as Paul Harvey says." Iran would be wiped off the face of the Earth by US submarines carrying nuclear missiles if Iran attacked with a electromagnetic pulse blast. An electromagnetic pulse blast would not, in all probability, reach these submarines under the oceans of the world, nor the other warships stationed all over the world. The US may be put down and set back, but we won’t be out of the fight. Iran dictators need to think twice before going through with such a scheme. They would be on their way to meet their 57 virgins in short order. It would be national suicide for Iran. And finally, does anyone think the US hasn't already developed such a weapon???
- janknepper, on 07/08/2008, -0/+657 Virgins?
What the heck!
They are only Virgins until the first time not?
Or do they have re-virginization where ever they go too?
http://www.lauraingraham.com/agnosticchart?chartty ... - SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -3/+3Not if Iran really is working with Soviets, (that's not a typo folks)- they have sea-wolf tech, can I.D. sub locations, (have for awhile now).
- daytoncub, on 07/08/2008, -0/+5“Iran would be wiped off the face of the Earth by US submarines carrying nuclear missiles if Iran attacked”
True, but you have to remember the Muslim mentality, just look at the Soviet Union. They lost 20 million people and to the Soviet leadership that was acceptable! On 9-11, 20 Muslims managed to murder over 3000 innocent people between the WTC, The Pentagon and flight 93 over PA.
So yes Iran would be wiped off the earth but look at the casualties here.
Look at what happened in New Orleans during Katrina (let me apologies in advance for using this reference, I know it is the best example of what happens when people are to dependent on the government for everything) it was 3-4 days for them to receive help and that was when there was nothing else going on in the country.
Now imagine what would happened if they were to detonate a high yield nuclear device in the upper atmosphere? You would laying there in the middle of the night and suddenly you realize that the AC is not working, you go and check and see that the lights are out, you then try to phone the power company and there is no dial tone (remember that the phone company has battery back up’s for power outages).
You then look outside and it is pitch black, it is only in the morning when it sinks in what happened. Now what?
You have about 24 hours or so before the contents of you fridge goes bad and only then does it slowly sinks in that you cannot get gas, use a ATM or drive, now what?
The Iranians know what they can kill tens of millions of people with one device, yea they will die to but life has no meaning to them and they will go down in history as the slayer of the great Satan.
It is sad that we get worked up over all the things that doesn’t matter, we could be buying spare equipment, hardening police/fire dispatch centers, TV/Radio and other mission critical centers and require that all gas stations, cell towers, and banks have back up generators to keep things going.
But alas we are more concerned about American Idol, Entertainment Tonight and the reporting on what the Messiah (that would be Neal Boortz name for Barack Obama) latest position was today.
Here is some cheap advice. Keep enough food, water and other items for 3 a day stint, enough medication for 30 days and last but not least buy a gun and learn how to use it safely. Remember in New Orleans there was no one to protect people from predators, then again there was no one to protect people from the police.- nippinawassee, on 07/08/2008, -0/+4Would just guess there would be total retaliation against anyone who is muslim SHOULD Iran's minimidget president got too ambitious with his threats. Ever notice it's always the short little crappers who are always anxious to prove how bad they are? and as for the retaliation here in the states and elsewheres? Not a problem as for sure, as is pointed out, they will ALL rush in to get in on the slaughter of the infidels. KYPD!
- SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -1/+3@ nip'
Agree with the whole 'Napoleon complex' angle- however, to a man, i never met a choke who ever once backed-up a threat. People who threaten do, because they can't fight.
That is not to say he couldn't do something somewhere, but that punk is old-school terrorist, he wouldn't leave his roots, (which means any threat carried-out, would be by mole, not missle). - B1663r, on 07/08/2008, -1/+4Um, actually, in 2003, iirc, large portions of the country lost power for a week or so, and it wasn't that big of a deal really. Since that blackout, I know in my area at least. there has been massive investment in redundant power generation and preparation. So we would be fine.
- janknepper, on 07/08/2008, -0/+657 Virgins?
- Ruler4you, on 07/08/2008, -6/+2Like I could trust ANY thing that comes from the mouths of these pompous arrogant asses? HA!
Aren't they the ones who have placed us in the present predicament? not only economically but socially? militarily?
Like they have some special ability to reason that they don't use except for occasions where there is a military threat from Iran? Spare me, please.
These self proclaimed 'brains' are screwing Americans with their 'work' each and every day of the week all the while ignoring the damage they are doing. They wouldn't recognize a threat unless it came in the form of a law suit. - SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -3/+6It is hoped that everyone read the last-line of headline. Secure antique radios, (antiquated vacuum-tube recievers can SURVIVE UNSCATHED EMP asssaults.
Secure short-wave recievers/transmitters, harden them behind lead if possible.
2008 will not be forgotton soon.
It is submitted, we need to prepare NOW. Please pray on how much time you have to prepare. Please pray on just exactly what you are preparing for, (aswell as 'how long' that may be). - AThoughtOrTwo, on 07/08/2008, -1/+14I am not qualified to speak to EMP. I leave that to others.
I AM QUALIFIED to speak to the American way of life, charity, 'can do spirit' , and recovery after disaster. IF NYC were hit with an EMP tomorrow - how long would it take OTHER STATES and areas to FLOOD NYC with relief funds, computer geniuses, electronic experts and get things going again? Even if they had to PULL OUT EVERYTHING AND START OVER FROM SCRATCH?
There might be a lot of generators doing a lot of work the electrical grid did previously. There might be SEVERE shortages of many items. But one thing I truly believe:
Americans will NOT BE HELD DOWN. Not by no stinking power grid. Not by anything.
And, it would not last for years. Months, okay - NOT YEARS.- SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -8/+4Your faith in humanity, has always been your undoing.
Tommy Lee Jones said it best in "Men In Black".
-"A person is smart. PEOPLE are dumnb, panicky, dangerous ANIMALS."
Now, you believe a monkey is your uncle, that makes you an ANIMAL. Christians believe they are Children of God, (that makes them SPIRIT).
Is it wiser to prepare, or assume some jamoke from 'Jersey is gonna bail-out your back-side-?- Equinox2012, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1-"A person is smart. PEOPLE are dumnb, panicky, dangerous ANIMALS."
That's why they make up gods, so they don't have to fear what they don't understand and can ignore without guilt.
- Equinox2012, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1-"A person is smart. PEOPLE are dumnb, panicky, dangerous ANIMALS."
- lydecker, on 07/08/2008, -3/+10It's okay, AThoughtOrTwo, Solgaard thinks practically everyone's non-Christian, and stupid. He doesn't care if you are and if you don't believe in evolution, he'll throw everything at you regardless.
- AThoughtOrTwo, on 07/09/2008, -1/+6I noticed. We aren't going to bother telling him - are we?
- lydecker, on 07/09/2008, -2/+6We both know it wouldn't make a difference either way.
- eir574, on 07/09/2008, -1/+7I'm not sure that's such an unusual thing. I see a number of people both on digg and in the 'real world' accusing those who identify themselves as Christians of merely masquerading as Christians. Apparently, there really are precious few true Christians out there. In fact, it's an interesting problem. What's the largest self consistent group of true Christians we can construct based on all of that finger pointing? It's quite the logic puzzle!
- SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -1/+0@ to whom it may concern
Met MILLIONS who called themselves "christian", (not even bought with the Blood).
A person, who declares fear, and faith in man, AND is edified by pagans....
Shir, why not, shirley i'm mistaken-
- SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -8/+4Your faith in humanity, has always been your undoing.
- jesusis1, on 07/08/2008, -1/+3EMP is real and a very real threat. They don't have to hit the whole country at once. Hit select cities and this country would be crippled. The military has been protecting its computers against EMP for many years. Every computer that I used before I retired was protected. As far as submarines go, don't think that they wouldn't be affected. The magnetic lines that encompass the Earth go through the water as well. Not to mention the inability to communicate with higher authorities for their orders. It is safe to say DON'T ASSUME anything. One thing that I do know is that God is watching over us.
- SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -4/+2AMEN.
- TexasJew, on 07/08/2008, -2/+0Yes, our Father IS watching us, but don't get the idea that He likes what He sees! It's best to be prepared. Go to the ant...consider what they do and be wise. Stock-pile non-perishable food. It's wise to be prepared, because there will be NO pre-tribulation rapture.
endtimesreport.com has instructions to build a faraday cage to protect electronics in case of an EMP strike. This threat is more real than most want to admit. "In One Hour"??? Give me a break. In one second it will be done, if it happens.
It's relatively cheap right now to get prepared. Rice and lentils haven't taken a huge price spike, and people should take advantage of the low price.
The U.S. has sown to the wind, and we will reap a whirlwind. Be ready.- SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -1/+0Want to say "AMEN", and leave it at that, (but don't wanna be accused of 'spamming'-lol, (+1)
- nippinawassee, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1Believe it or not, the computers cords, etc., were all shielded with copper screening to protect against EMP at the test facility. After blowing up several computers, the rather homemade solution worked great.. no more blown up computers. on a vehicle, you'd have to use different methods to harden them against EMP... Think about it: EMP bursts totally disable any electronic system which means: no fuel trucks for planes - those that are operating - no medical vehicles - it's truly a mess..
- jesusis1, on 07/09/2008, -0/+0For your information the government (military included) are protect though more than just the electric cord.
Here is one of the biggest messes EMP would create. Cars and trucks stopped on the highway, engines not running. The engines are electronically controlled. I don't know what you think, but think the highways would turn into total chaos (more so than they are now)
- jesusis1, on 07/09/2008, -0/+0For your information the government (military included) are protect though more than just the electric cord.
- rjwusa, on 07/09/2008, -7/+2"...One thing that I do know is that God is watching over us..."
If we keep killing the unborn, appeasing the pervert homosexuals and pressuring Israel to give land to the Palestinians, God may not watch over this nation very much longer. How many times will God allow us to insult Him and Slap Him in the face?- StaticThunder, on 07/09/2008, -2/+3I thought He had infinite patience and infinite benevolence, and everything was part of his plan. Are you losing your faith or simply engaging in cognitive dissonance to get your way?
- Equinox2012, on 07/09/2008, -1/+4God is not watching over this nation nor has he ever douchbag. The US is not and would not special to God in any fashion even if he did exist. We are just a land mass with people on it... nothing more. I would love to see what proof anyone has that would show that the US is special to God or Christ in any fashion.
I can bet right ***** now there will be no formitable answer. - rjwusa, on 07/09/2008, -2/+1Equifax, you'll understand if your bad attitude towards God or anyone who professes faith in God doesn't offend me. Nor, does it cause me to lay awake at night fretting over your insults. It doesn't surprise me that all you are capable of is in hurling insults when you are devoid of any rational rebuttal. Lastly, you know very well that I cannot offer up proof of the existence of God. Belief in God is based on faith. Just as belief in the theory of evolution is based on faith. I can offer up evidence that confirms many places and events in the Bible, just as you can offer up evidence that confirms parts of evolution. However, as a whole, neither you or me are able to demonstrate to each other through the use of empirical evidence that either of our faiths, God for me, evolution for you, are demonstrable.
I reject your faith in evolution, you reject my faith in God. Consider this; -Just because you reject mine and I reject yours doesn't make either prospect invalid or valid for that matter, depending on by who and how its being looked at.
In answer to StaticCling's comment; "....I thought He had infinite patience and infinite benevolence, and everything was part of his plan. Are you losing your faith or simply engaging in cognitive dissonance to get your way?..."
Unless one knows the mind of God, then no one knows his plan. Mere men do not know God's plan until it is revealed. Scripture describes in prophesy what God plans to do to sinful nations. Nations like America that fall away from God and who mean harm to Israel, like when they pressure (Bush's Peace Process) a divvying up of Israel to cater to the Palestinians. God will run out of patience as Scripture says, and He will remove his hand of protection over America for our meddling against Israel and as America continues in its ways that offend God. Judgment against America is not set in stone. Repentance and a return to God could spare America from God's judgment, but is unlikely. Read the Bible for yourself to verify what I have said. I'm not going to do the research for you because it would be a waste of time to discuss this further with someone who holds God and Christians in contempt. Why would I cast pearls before swine? But then again, if you're a non-believer, what I have posted is way over your head. - StaticThunder, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1Whatever. Getting off of oil will fix America quicker than God will.
- rjwusa, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1There's a lot more wrong with America than just dependence on foreign oil. But getting off foreign oil is a lofty goal.
- SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0Lots of folks hate any whisper about "judgement". Yet like an innocent-man before the court, no Christian fears this, (and believe me when it flies from my mug- many Christians, are still fearful of much on this earth.
Not even gonna get started on pagans-
- lydecker, on 07/08/2008, -1/+6Reminds me of Dark Angel. That was a good show.
- SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -3/+4It outta reming you of Jericho.
- lydecker, on 07/08/2008, -1/+3Haven't seen that show. I had thought that was about some kind of nuclear attack, not about an EMP attack, but I guess I was wrong. Perhaps they borrowed the idea from Dark Angel.
- SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -1/+2If ANYTHING is "NUKED", it WILL be an EMP.
(Side effect of mega-tonnage) also the cause of no communications nation-wide. Now you can't GET a loaf of bread at the local mart. - ItsMe22, on 07/08/2008, -0/+3"Haven't seen that show. I had thought that was about some kind of nuclear attack, not about an EMP attack, but I guess I was wrong. Perhaps they borrowed the idea from Dark Angel"
If you go to CBS (Pronounced See BS) you can watch episodes of Jericho, it is from the first season, episode 6 titled "9:02", that is when you see the EMP hit. - SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -1/+0September 2nd- well, life does immitate art-
- SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -3/+4It outta reming you of Jericho.
- AThoughtOrTwo, on 07/08/2008, -0/+3I was going to mention that myself. HEY!! I finally gave you a digg!! Miracles happen.
- SOLGAARD, on 07/08/2008, -3/+3Prepare for SEVEN years, for the SEVEN years to follow, (that'll get you close). If you live within 70 miles of ANY coast debate the "higher ground".
If you think this poster is jakked, air-that-out. - nippinawassee, on 07/08/2008, -1/+5And please don't forget... it was those of the islamic 'faith' who have already attacked the United States... Take no prisoners - leave Gitmo empty for sure - kill or be killed - we all have choices -just happens that some make bad choices.
- daytoncub, on 07/08/2008, -0/+1But the problem is that the vast majority of Americans are not ready. I don’t quote the bible often, but I keep coming back to Proverbs 27:12 "A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge; but the simple pass on, and suffer for it."
I.E. A prudent man prepares for the unexpected, while the uninformed whistles past the graveyard, I’m afraid to say that most people I know are in the later.
Also I for got to put in my last post that is a good idea to have some cash around, about $50.00, mostly in singles, fives and ten’s small things and if you live in Ohio during the winter you will need to go to the store to get eggs, bread and milk before the white death come. I have never understood why, but it is a requirement!- nippinawassee, on 07/09/2008, -0/+3I understand totally being 'ready' as far as your religion is concerned BUT there are those of us who really aren't ready to roll over and be dead just to satisfy a bunch of folks who are anxious for the predicted world devastation...just to prove they are right. Most military combatants are totally aware that each breath they draw may be their last but they're NOT sitting there waiting to be killed. The Americans have always fought to live - not fought to die - that's the Asian mentality along with others...
- AThoughtOrTwo, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1WE DON'T 'go quiet into that good night.'
I've got a generator, food, water, ammunition to last over a month - then it's knives, batteries and traps. I may not win, but it will be a very long, hard fight.
One thing I can recommend: those darn 'space bags' come in handy for putting up some heavy clothing I don't usually use around here.
- AThoughtOrTwo, on 07/09/2008, -0/+1WE DON'T 'go quiet into that good night.'
- nippinawassee, on 07/09/2008, -0/+3I understand totally being 'ready' as far as your religion is concerned BUT there are those of us who really aren't ready to roll over and be dead just to satisfy a bunch of folks who are anxious for the predicted world devastation...just to prove they are right. Most military combatants are totally aware that each breath they draw may be their last but they're NOT sitting there waiting to be killed. The Americans have always fought to live - not fought to die - that's the Asian mentality along with others...
- DOGODSWILL, on 07/09/2008, -4/+3 If AMERICA will turn back to the principles it was founded on "the teachings of JESUS CHRIST" and keep him the center of AMERICAS focus , HE will take care of any enemies against HIM or AMERICA.The real problem with AMERICA is SHE has become as corrupt as the rest of the world , and SHE is now paying the price for turning HER back on CHRIST.There has never been a nation that survived this problem , nor will AMERICA. Every one wants to express an opinion of what AMERICA has done , or will do , or can do , or don,t do , or should do , when only the top officials have any idea at all . But one thing about it, GOD tells us every human what HE is going to do if you turn your back on HIM . So AMERICA , wake up and read the writing on the wall , you have turned your back on HIM and HE is turning HIS on HER.I don,t know what the future holds, but I know who holds the future. I will say two thing -------------" one" if AMERICA elects a MUSLIM as HER president , you can kiss HER good buy. " two" if AMERICA continues to allow *****,S , LIBERALS , MUSLIMS , and ATHEIST to demoralize our CONSTITUTION , you can kiss AMERICA good buy. AMERICA or any human can,t fix a problem that refuse to admit they have or worse yet can,t see they have a problem at all.---------------MAY GOD CONTINUE TO HAVE MERCY ON AMERICA.
- rjwusa, on 07/09/2008, -2/+2And....
If America pressures Israel to placate the Palestinians by giving them land...
Well, you know...- DOGODSWILL, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0No, I don,t know (make your self plain), if you have something to say , spit it out .(EXAMPLE) if AMERICAS government wants to be stupid enough to pressure ISRAEL to give up their GOD given land to a bunch of Muslim LOVING terrorist (WHO,S DESIRE IS TO KILL ALL AMERICANS & JEWS )proves my point--------------AMERICA has turned HER back upon JESUS CHRIST.
- SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0(know you can only get a +1 from me)
- Evilena, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1I stopped after "If AMERICA will turn back to the principles it was founded on"
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes".
-Thomas Jefferson Dec. 6, 1813- SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0@ DGW-
Brother, 'am really appreciative of your use of caps, (*smiles)-
We should wonder-though "how long has God been protecting us without warrant-". - SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0"blah, blah-blah-blah, bhlaaaaah-blha, blah blah blah"
See, that makes me right. (sarcasm 'vile)
Anyhoo, here's a lil'-shooter for ya':
ABSOLUTELY EVERY "RIGHT", IS OPENLY RECOGNISED AS BEING BESTOWED BY DIVINITY.
(although a "self-made man", DOES "worship" his CREATOR)
The above is also noted as double-entendre', (for my detractors in the audience). - DOGODSWILL, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1 You sound like a LIBERAL , you speak only with HUMAN wisdom which is foolish.Here you quote the words of another human (Thomas Jefferson) which is so typical of a LIBERAL .You liberals can only support your views with HUMAN thinking , all CHRISTIANS can support their views with the truth of GODS word , the HOLY BIBLE.This is the reason it is impossible to have a SPIRITUAL conversation with a LIBERAL , ***** , MUSLIM , ATHEIST ,or anyone else that denies the truth of JESUS WORD.----------------(QUESTION) What is your opinion of what AMERICA was founded on. And base it on SCRIPTURE and not on what some other human has lead you to believe.
- ieee, on 07/10/2008, -1/+1Facts trump the Christian morons again. I'm stealing this Jefferson quote!
- SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0@ DGW-
- rjwusa, on 07/09/2008, -2/+2And....
- DOGODSWILL, on 07/09/2008, -3/+2 I would like to add . The LIBERALS can,t see what GOD is trying to show them , and like wise they can,t see that you don,t kiss up to anyone or anything that isn,t bibically correct . GOD gave his people enought common sense to realize you don,t sleep with a rattle snake , you don,t win buy quiting , you don,t kiss up to your enemy . AMERICA has no choice but to do everything in HER power to defeat HER enemies ---------MUSLIMS , LIBERALS , ATHEIST , *****,S , and anyone else that tries to tell her to turn HER back on JESUS CHRIST. IGNORANCE is AMERICAS biggest enemy . (example) 80% of AMERICANS don,t realize that HOMOSEXUALITY is a sin that a person ( that pratices it ) will BURN IN HELL for it. Then AMERICANS wounder why AMERICA is falling apart.-----WAKE UP
- SOLGAARD, on 07/09/2008, -1/+1There are Christian, and pagan- who have known before they lived a decade, they would see this time.
Those who prepare for what is to come, may very-well be preparing stores for someone else, (always try to remeber, that we don't prepare for Christians, we prepare for the pagans to come).
Remember, the Tribulation, is going to be a fertile feild for planting. - StaticThunder, on 07/09/2008, -2/+3Disinformation. Buried as FUD.
- Equinox2012, on 07/09/2008, -1/+2Buried as fear mongering and disinformation.
- fwelch, on 07/09/2008, -0/+2Time to move the farm now. If that is what may happen, The biggest
problem here is that society won't be civil anymore. One better be
armed or they will be the ones to go first.- SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0The premise is agreeable, (+1) but we must also be ready to feed, and care for many.
- fwelch, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1Thats true but under the safest conditions possible! When there is civil unrest and no police no military in your area you want to be ready to defend. It is good to open your arms those that need but at the same time don't let ones emotions over ride one common sense. The strong will always have to protect the weak. That is the law of nature.
If you believe that is not true for just 24 hours take all the police off the streets in the United States and watch what happens.
- fwelch, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1Thats true but under the safest conditions possible! When there is civil unrest and no police no military in your area you want to be ready to defend. It is good to open your arms those that need but at the same time don't let ones emotions over ride one common sense. The strong will always have to protect the weak. That is the law of nature.
- SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0The premise is agreeable, (+1) but we must also be ready to feed, and care for many.
- SOLGAARD, on 07/10/2008, -2/+0@ ST, and Eq-
Note how the Christian consensus is your attitude, will leave you lacking...
But hey, your philosophy has been so satisfying recently...- DOGODSWILL, on 07/10/2008, -1/+0 The truth of the BIBLE isn.t philosophy ( some folks speak in philosophy which is humanist ) . But I am pleased to see that you are satisfied with the truth of GODS word. And buy the way , it takes a real MAN to admit it.------------MAY GOD BLESS YOU .
- DOGODSWILL, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0 All of your humanist wisdom ( which only runs in a circle ,and really says nothing)keeps proving JESUS point that I pointed out to Evilena above.
- Evilena, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1I was not giving you "humanist wisdom" I was pointing out that the founding fathers were not christians. Your point about how I sound like a typical liberal because I quoted another human rather than the bible was rather amusing though.
- bombula, on 07/10/2008, -0/+1"Depending on the location and size of the blast, the effect would be to knock out already stressed power grids and other electrical systems across much or even all of the continental United States, for months if not years."
Suddenly, solar cells on your roof are starting to sound pretty good, eh? It would really suck to have no power for a month.
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