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INDEPENDENT.CO.UK: England to deport gay Iranian to be hung
independent.co.uk — "Mehdi Kazemi is a gay teenager from Iran. He sought sanctuary in Britain after his boyfriend was hanged for homosexuality. So why is Britain so determined to send him back to Tehran – to almost certain execution?"
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- cageybee, on 03/08/2008, -67/+26England is the most noble country!
- sanman, on 03/08/2008, -41/+37No, Diggers have told us that Iran is the most wonderful country, led by the most englightened man, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad. As I recall, Diggers were urging that Ahmedinejad be allowed to debate George Bush here in the United States, just to demonstrate his superior intellect. I'm also told that his comments about the Holocaust were taken out of context, needlessly sullying his stellar reputation as a scrupulously high-minded fellow.
Oh, but when someone's facing deportation back to utopian Iran, then suddenly the truth comes out.
Heh.- blackolive, on 03/08/2008, -13/+22No one said that. His words *were* translated wrongly & cherry picked, but no one said he was a good person.
However, who cares what he said being he's not actually in charge? He's more of a spokesman.- rex3, on 03/08/2008, -21/+4Most People on Digg either live where there jewish-run media presence is heavy or there either just jewish.
- noahhoward, on 03/08/2008, -22/+28Who the hell buries a comment like that. He's absolutely ***** right. Iran is being led by horrible people and any other day you people ***** worship them. Now reality slaps you in the face and not only to you bury your own hypocrisy you blame one of the nations that's been trying to tell you what is going on in Iran.
***** pathetic, Digg.- kidcodea, on 03/08/2008, -15/+4pathetic is the USA basic and primitive ethnocentrism, when for a brief moment it stops looking at its own, entertained "worldseries" bellybutton.
- lejovchina, on 03/08/2008, -4/+5True :) Everything in the US is labeled "worldseries", even that... errrr... gay version of Rugby no one else gives a damn ***** about.
- mooseontheloose, on 03/08/2008, -5/+18"As I recall, Diggers were urging that Ahmedinejad be allowed to debate George Bush here in the United States, just to demonstrate his superior intellect."
What does this have to do with anything? Since when are debates are frowned upon in America? And I'd bet anything that Ahmedinejad is a lot smarter than Bush is. None of this has any relevance to whether or not he's a good person, though.- malman4, on 03/08/2008, -2/+3Didn't he say there were no homosexuals in Iran.........alive.
- blackolive, on 03/08/2008, -13/+22No one said that. His words *were* translated wrongly & cherry picked, but no one said he was a good person.
- DamnLogins, on 03/08/2008, -4/+8Despite some evidence to the contrary, there are still many Englishmen for whom honour is important.
- neiltc13, on 03/08/2008, -1/+17The term "England" is wrong in this case. It's the government of the United Kingdom which is doing the deporting. England does not have its own government and is part of the UK with Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
- zapperdude60, on 03/08/2008, -16/+2thank you, mr. snopes
- kronix2, on 03/08/2008, -1/+7England is an urban legend?
- cudnthinkovasn, on 03/08/2008, -0/+5i was just thinking the same thing
- zapperdude60, on 03/08/2008, -16/+2thank you, mr. snopes
- sanman, on 03/08/2008, -41/+37No, Diggers have told us that Iran is the most wonderful country, led by the most englightened man, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad. As I recall, Diggers were urging that Ahmedinejad be allowed to debate George Bush here in the United States, just to demonstrate his superior intellect. I'm also told that his comments about the Holocaust were taken out of context, needlessly sullying his stellar reputation as a scrupulously high-minded fellow.
- BuzzDiggity, on 03/08/2008, -65/+19man... no more tea and crumpets for him...
- absurdist, on 03/08/2008, -18/+9I don't think it's crumpet he's looking for, know what I mean?
- thcobbs, on 03/08/2008, -2/+5You mean he's not having tea?
- Alegoo92, on 03/08/2008, -13/+19This is an extremely saddening story and you make jokes out of it? If Bush's name were attached you'd all be all over this page cursing off and exclaiming how unjust it is and how evil the world is-- but in this situation you mock him when he's facing death because of the lifestyle he was born into?
Scum.- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -10/+3Cry about it.
- specialK16, on 03/08/2008, -10/+3Waaaa Waaaa Waaaa
Cry me a ***** river. This is digg, go somewhere else if you can't get a sense of humor. Or better yet, bury and ignore the comment.
- absurdist, on 03/08/2008, -18/+9I don't think it's crumpet he's looking for, know what I mean?
- ifnotme, on 03/08/2008, -5/+61Sad!
- Emnsta, on 03/08/2008, -28/+1I deported 5 gay Iranians brushing my teeth this morning
- Rikkochet, on 03/08/2008, -0/+11How is that even remotely funny?
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -1/+6If i had 5 gay Iranians brushing my teeth, i'd get angry and do something about it, too.
- Rikkochet, on 03/08/2008, -0/+11How is that even remotely funny?
- curtis87xc03, on 03/08/2008, -9/+1Britain lives for this *****: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betrayal_of_the_Cossa ...
- Roger, on 03/08/2008, -34/+3It is sad, but why couldn't they just be gay without having the sex?
If sodomy is illegal under penalty of death in your country, then you're kinda asking for trouble by tempting the law. Curb your lust and stop risking your life.- NoStoppingUs, on 03/08/2008, -17/+3i dont think digg's idol mahmoud really cares if they have sex or not...
- defectDS, on 03/08/2008, -1/+19LOL. Well aren't you just the cutest little celibate.
Besides, if you are a homosexual in Iran, they don't have to know you're having sex to penalize you.- Roger, on 03/08/2008, -15/+2"LOL. Well aren't you just the cutest little celibate."
For recommending abstinence over death? Right...
Straight Muslims practice abstinence anyway. Shouldn't be too hard for the gays. - defectDS, on 03/08/2008, -1/+8GOD, shut up and listen! The Iranian government does not define homosexuality by which sex you love, but by which sex you have sex with. So when someone comes out as homosexual, they automatically assume that the person is declaring that he has had sex with other men, hence them penalizing him for sodomy.
Whichever way you look at it, it is not the kids fault for being born into a country that does not allow or tolerate his existence and everything should be done to prevent him from being deported back.
- Roger, on 03/08/2008, -15/+2"LOL. Well aren't you just the cutest little celibate."
- rac1234, on 03/08/2008, -0/+5Roger, how about we instigate the death penalty for straight sex and see how well nice, straight guys like you do at "curbing their lust"? Just for an experiment, you understand.
- Thompson, on 03/08/2008, -8/+3If he was running away from persecution, then why did he not stop in:
Georgia
Turkey
Greece
Romania
Bulgaria
Montenegro
Romania
Bosnia
Serbia
Hungary
Croatia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Czech Republic
Austria
Germany
Luxembourg
France
Belgium
or Netherlands?- Beveridge89, on 03/08/2008, -0/+7"Mehdi Kazemi, 19, came to London to study English in 2004 but later discovered that his boyfriend had been arrested by the Iranian police, charged with sodomy and hanged."
- PaulTu, on 03/08/2008, -0/+7why don't you try reading the story?
- Emnsta, on 03/08/2008, -28/+1I deported 5 gay Iranians brushing my teeth this morning
- xtmno3, on 03/08/2008, -11/+119I thought there were no gay people in Iran: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_3RUwAJ_MI
- johndi, on 03/08/2008, -5/+86Now we know why Ahmadinejad's says the phenomenon doesn't exist. As soon as they're discovered they cease to exist.
- saleem, on 03/08/2008, -10/+5we're digging fox news now? btw ahmadinejad was slightly misquoted, just saying that there are not as many homosexuals in Iran as prominent as it is in the US http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSBLA05 ...
ps - again, possibly due to the whole punishment thing.
- saleem, on 03/08/2008, -10/+5we're digging fox news now? btw ahmadinejad was slightly misquoted, just saying that there are not as many homosexuals in Iran as prominent as it is in the US http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSBLA05 ...
- chase001, on 03/08/2008, -14/+59Like the fundies in the US wouldn't do the same or try to cure homosexuals if they could.
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -29/+13Uh....they don't execute you in the US or Europe for being Gay.....
- nblsavage, on 03/08/2008, -11/+58Only by virtue of separation of church and state. Something the fundies would love to see eliminated.
- nblsavage, on 03/08/2008, -5/+44For those morons digging me down. The point I'm trying to make is having a theocracy is a bad, bad thing.
- WhiteRaven, on 03/08/2008, -32/+12The reason you are being dug down is for lumping American (or "western) fundamentalists in with the fanatical murderers in Iran. The fact is, it is NOT the separation of church and state which prevents fundamentalists from instituting laws that would allow them to execute homosexuals. Making homosexuality a crime is a perfectly constitutional thing to do. The reason this does not happen in America is very simple... outside a truly negligible handful of mentally deranged, no one would even consider executing a gay man. Fred Phelps represents a tiny handful of *****-crazy morons. When you just say "the fundies", you are talking about tens of millions of peaceful citizens of the US that would never dream of *killing* someone over homosexuality.
Your statements are not only an insult to millions, it is baseless and ignorant. You demonstrate more hate than those you direct it against. - nblsavage, on 03/08/2008, -3/+26@WhiteRaven - So you are saying that if America was a theocracy everyone's rights would still be respected.....I doubt that.
- mordeci, on 03/08/2008, -2/+21Making homosexuality a crime is a perfectly constitutional thing to do. -WhiteRaven
Good point, except you are completely and totally wrong. Up until recently sodomy was illegal in Texas, but the supreme court ruled that the law was unconstitutional. Do your homework. - schnikies79, on 03/08/2008, -6/+9@nblsavage
What this article is talking about is happening now, not in some fictionalized world you like to make up to make America look bad. The US isn't a theoracy, Iran is. The US isn't executing gays, Iran is.
You can debate your fantasy all you want, it doesn't change the fact this is happening, now, in real life. - nblsavage, on 03/08/2008, -1/+11@schnikes79 - I said nothing in order to "make America look bad" what I said was in warning lest we become as bad.
- schnikies79, on 03/08/2008, -3/+2@nblsavage
Gotcha, I misunderstood. My bad. - WhiteRaven, on 03/11/2008, -0/+1@nblsavage,
The point is, there is NO WAY AT ALL that this could ever happen in America. And it has nothing to do with the separation of church and state. The fact is, western civilization has completely and permanently dispensed with the notion that matters of subjective morality are worth killing over. Once a society learns to value life over dogma, it is essentially impossible to backslide. 99.99% of the US population views the concept of execution for "sin" as insane. Legitimate crimes involving harming others are one thing but crimes of morality are entirely different.
No governmental entity in America (or of course old Europe or Japan etc) will ever execute anyone for a victimless "crime".
- pintomp3, on 03/08/2008, -1/+7no, they just jump them and beat them to death. then they protest their funerals.
- nblsavage, on 03/08/2008, -11/+58Only by virtue of separation of church and state. Something the fundies would love to see eliminated.
- Yez70, on 03/08/2008, -3/+5No they just consider you a second class citizen in the US. You are expected to remain in the closet.
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -29/+13Uh....they don't execute you in the US or Europe for being Gay.....
- innocentsinner, on 03/08/2008, -2/+20There aren't. They're either dead or in England.
- neko6, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1He didn't say there are no gays - he said "we don't have this problem" when they discussed gays. Well, of course there's no problem, the gays don't come out because they get MURDERED for it.
P.S: To all the "everything bad Ahmad says is a mistranslation" - here is an Iranian reply to Ahmad. He grew up in Iran and speaks the language, and he understood it EXACTLY as it was translated - just like everything else Ahmad said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
P.S: Ahmad is not the only Muslim leader who claims no homosexuals exist in Islam: http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-32 ...
- johndi, on 03/08/2008, -5/+86Now we know why Ahmadinejad's says the phenomenon doesn't exist. As soon as they're discovered they cease to exist.
- N3tw0rk, on 03/08/2008, -3/+114And now Iranian lesbian who fled to Britain faces deportation
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/now ...
Our world is truly messed up.- hoodedrobin, on 03/08/2008, -0/+28Pro-Tip: Don't go to Britain if your a gay Iranian seeking asylum.
- decyx, on 03/08/2008, -1/+3Reading this just breaks my heart. Poor kid.
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -8/+2Then pursue pleasant news. It isn't like you're going to get off of your ass and do anything, anyway.
- decyx, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4Yeah, maybe if I were equally as cynical as you, I would ignore this and pursue pleasant news, but I like being aware of what's going on in the world instead of living in ignorance. Also, I did do something about it. I sent a letter voicing my opposition to http://www.labour.org.uk/contact, which may not be a big deal, but it's a lot better than sitting around attacking complete strangers on digg. I encourage others to speak out as well and call out Jacqui Smith.
- curtisag, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3Dynelol: You're a ***** ***** man.
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -8/+2Then pursue pleasant news. It isn't like you're going to get off of your ass and do anything, anyway.
- birdieb23, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1How is this messed up why should we allow every tom, dick and harry into our country. If they will get a job and do something then fine they can come, but if they want to come and think 'wheyy benefits woooo' they can't.
- FLarsen, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1I'm all for low immigration. You don't let them in in the first place, unless you're prepared to let them stay.
Once an immigrant is in your country, you don't send him/her back to his/her death.
- FLarsen, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1I'm all for low immigration. You don't let them in in the first place, unless you're prepared to let them stay.
- Kizilbash, on 03/08/2008, -25/+82"So why is Britain so determined to send him back to Tehran – to almost certain execution?"
Because of the islamophobic climate in the UK and Europe in general. The sad fact is that people who escape the repression from Islamic radicalism are not welcome anymore because of that.- Buelldozer, on 03/08/2008, -12/+48Islamaphobic? Wasn't the NUMBER ONE new baby name for boys in London "Mohammed"?
- eir574, on 03/08/2008, -18/+10If that's true (I don't know whether it is or not), then isn't that just an indication that a lot of baby boys have been named Mohammed? It has nothing to do with whether those baby boys will be discriminated against.
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -13/+8LOL! You must be from the same planet as Kizi...What's the color of your sky???
- eir574, on 03/08/2008, -3/+10Then explain to me how the fact that a lot of Muslim babies are being born in London means that there's no way that Muslims could be discriminated against in England. I'm not even weighing in on whether the discrimination exists. I just don't understand your evidence that it's not. It's also important to note that historically, minorities have sometimes succeeded in discriminating against majorities (e.g. apartheid).
- nmnnotmyname, on 03/08/2008, -1/+2What sky you talk of?
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -8/+4Why are Gays killed in Iran?
- eir574, on 03/08/2008, -1/+6Were you addressing that question to me? If so, I don't understand how it relates to my comment.
- colonelbuckshot, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article18 ...
- nmnnotmyname, on 03/08/2008, -1/+7I agree with eir574 here. Where the hell are you guys even coming from?
- eir574, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2Thanks, nmnotmyname. Essentially the same conversation is happening in other places. I've even been asked whose side I'm on.
http://digg.com/world_news/FBI_boosts_training_in_ ...
- eir574, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2Thanks, nmnotmyname. Essentially the same conversation is happening in other places. I've even been asked whose side I'm on.
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -13/+8LOL! You must be from the same planet as Kizi...What's the color of your sky???
- madroneDorf, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3Mohammad is the most common name for boys in britain primarly because Muslims are either uncreative, or according to custom one of the boys is named muhammad. [Depending on your point of view]
If most [devout] Christians named their first born male Jesus, it would probably be #1 in any "western world" country, even Sweden.
- eir574, on 03/08/2008, -18/+10If that's true (I don't know whether it is or not), then isn't that just an indication that a lot of baby boys have been named Mohammed? It has nothing to do with whether those baby boys will be discriminated against.
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -15/+7LOL! Tell us Kizi...What is your home planet like???
- nmnnotmyname, on 03/08/2008, -2/+6Its a planet called earth. You may want to visit it sometime.
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -5/+27SO...why aren't you cutting down Iran and Islam for wanting to execute the guy for being Gay?
- nmnnotmyname, on 03/08/2008, -3/+13Because that's obviously wrong?
- innocentsinner, on 03/08/2008, -1/+17Um..he did mention escaping from Islamic radicalism.
- joedawg, on 03/08/2008, -1/+11The issue at hand is this boy's deportation to his death. Most the people who have thought this out for a second realise that there a slight chance of correcting Britains very bad judgement by raising a stink now with Britain, as opposed to waiting till the boy was deported, then raising a stink with Iran, who would hang him anyway.
Your attitude denies that Britain is as heartless as Iran, which in itself is very disturbing.- InspectorGadget, on 03/08/2008, -9/+5Britain is NOT as heartless as Iran. There's a difference between shooting a man and not lunging in front of him to stop the bullet. That doesn't make denying him asylum 100% morally acceptable to all people, but to compare the two is silly.
- gordonj, on 03/08/2008, -0/+10I think it's more like Britain could pull him out of the way of the bullet. It's not like it would damage the UK to give him asylum. It should be a much easier choice than lunging in front of the shot.
- Beveridge89, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1That argument assumes we will actually deport him, something I doubt will happen. These type of decisions usually seem to get overturned.
- Lukesed, on 03/08/2008, -1/+7A more fitting analogy would be the difference between shooting an innocent man and letting him into your bunker while others are shooting at him.
- 0biKwiet, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2Or pushing someone back into the line of fire after he jumped out of it.
- InspectorGadget, on 03/08/2008, -9/+5Britain is NOT as heartless as Iran. There's a difference between shooting a man and not lunging in front of him to stop the bullet. That doesn't make denying him asylum 100% morally acceptable to all people, but to compare the two is silly.
- Myonosken, on 03/08/2008, -2/+16I don't get it- one group say we are islamaphobic, the other sucking up to them. Which is it?
- InspectorGadget, on 03/08/2008, -11/+19Kizilbash, if you've been paying attention, Muslim immigration to Europe is out of hand. Google "Londonistan". All that property destruction in the banlieus of Paris? Wannabe Islamists. Stabbing death of Theo van Gogh? Islamists. London tube bombings? Islamists. Internet meme featuring a sign saying "Kill those who say Islam is violent"? Islamists in Europe. There is no "Islamophobia" going on, there's a lot of bad behavior by Muslims in Europe and most politicans are afraid of being killed if they speak up, and given the number of death threats some have received that's a reasonable position. Blaming Britain for refusing to solve a problem caused by Iran, and more specifically caused by Islamists, is hilarious.
- nmnnotmyname, on 03/08/2008, -1/+2Terrorism only works if you let it. Is it better to face the consequences and fight back or... face the consequences and not fight back.
- highstriker, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2What I don't understand is why these people are facing death because of any of this.
I'm won't say that there aren't reasons for limiting the number of people who claim asylum in a nation, but honestly- people such as the young man in this story aren't the ones that are causing any problems. The people causing these problems are the same people who'd like to see this man executed for being gay. That's simple common sense. I highly doubt this man has any desire to try and force anything onto anyone else, and that he's hardly the person who would bomb and kill the people who are giving him the chance to actually *live*.
- tyho, on 03/08/2008, -14/+6islamophobic? Nice word invention. You must be liberal minded if you think you can just label people and dismiss them as idiots. Why is it Britain's job to be the worlds police/protector of gays?
- Kizilbash, on 03/08/2008, -3/+4Uh huh, so your point would be, why should we be any better than the Iranians we call barbarians?
- nmnnotmyname, on 03/08/2008, -1/+4Face it, not letting them get killed unfairly has nothing to do with police work or protection.
- StarlessKnight, on 03/08/2008, -1/+5Why is it Britain's job to deport gay Iranians to, arguably, their death?
- warriorscot, on 03/08/2008, -4/+1Who made it our job to judge Iranian law, it isn't our responsibility to judge him. He knew what he was doing when he broke his countries law it may not be right but he could have exercised enough self control for a few years to get a useful education and use it legally find a new country. We should not send people to get tortured and killed from rogue governments and fascists but it should not be a destination we should not have to keep them if they have nothing to contribute they should find a new country willing to take them then be sent there is we don't want them.
Immigration is important but it his to be the controlled input of skilled and useful people otherwise it is just a burden to society that can be ill afforded.
- Lukesed, on 03/08/2008, -2/+1It's a real shame that the Westboro Baptist Church of islam always seems to gain so much power in the middle east.
- warriorscot, on 03/08/2008, -2/+1While i don't think its right to send people to get tortured and killed, i also think its wrong for Britain to be the place where every tom dick and harry come to live because they are afraid of their government it is not our business anymore to sort the wrongs of the world we gave that up maybe we shouldn't but we didn't have much choice. Why is it our burden, why won't Holland take him or any of the other European nations take their fair share ***** where they want to live if they are escaping persecution anywhere should be good for them.
And all I think about this lad reading that when he was 19 he had a boyfriend who was hung is why couldn't he keep his dick in his pants, then he could have got his education and emigrated to any of a number of countries in the world, not like 3 years is a long time in the scheme of things.
It isn't Islamaphobic to be sick of your country being flooded with the dregs of the world, we take more than our fair share. Im all for Immigration but this is uncontrolled. - Archer007, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Die or live in constant fear. What a choice...
- Buelldozer, on 03/08/2008, -12/+48Islamaphobic? Wasn't the NUMBER ONE new baby name for boys in London "Mohammed"?
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -60/+14Please don't be critical of Iran or Islam...remember they are both under the threat of the US and Zionists and are just misunderstood...The only thing you should concentrate on is the bad...bad UK..../s
- sanman, on 03/08/2008, -4/+4and how to milk the system both ways
- vervalsing, on 03/08/2008, -3/+11...How exactly can you "misunderstand" the execution of people because they are homosexual? ***** Iran, ***** Islam, and ***** the people in England who are behind these deportations.
- Kizilbash, on 03/08/2008, -6/+1Uh huh. So for what Iran does it is ***** ALL of Islam, but for what the UK does it is just ***** the people who are behind this? That's pretty ungenerous of one and pretty generous of the other. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Tribalism is taking over everywhere.
- highstriker, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Or perhaps they get away with saying that because people who oppose this in Britain can actually be heard, and it's known that people are doing so. Unfortunately for the people in Iran- they have no voice, and if executing people for being was condemned, those who condemned it would most likely be executed as well. Until a much louder voice is heard from Islam that is against such barbaric executions then you can expect these comments to remain, and for people to support them.
- oxphantomxo, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1I wish I could DIGG you up more.
- Kizilbash, on 03/08/2008, -6/+1Uh huh. So for what Iran does it is ***** ALL of Islam, but for what the UK does it is just ***** the people who are behind this? That's pretty ungenerous of one and pretty generous of the other. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Tribalism is taking over everywhere.
- Christbait, on 03/08/2008, -15/+74There you have it folks of the world, our shameful soft touch of a government. At least the Americans don't suck up to cruel and extremist islamic nut jobs.
- Hindu_Wardrobe, on 03/08/2008, -6/+39A pro-America comment? On MY internets?
- bullcutter, on 03/08/2008, -4/+9that got _dug up_, is the astounding part. is there an unspoken rationality in diggers that is finally rearing its pimply head?
don't worry this will probably change in a couple of hours, once the various brigade factions have their ways. - tyho, on 03/08/2008, -7/+6I KNOW....must be a Republican or an immigrant.
- MacEnvy, on 03/08/2008, -0/+8It's more likely than you think.
- tiffany98121, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1it's only funny because it's true
- bullcutter, on 03/08/2008, -4/+9that got _dug up_, is the astounding part. is there an unspoken rationality in diggers that is finally rearing its pimply head?
- erkokite, on 03/08/2008, -4/+25Cruel and extremist nut jobs like the Saudis?
- dilpil1, on 03/08/2008, -2/+3We don't do that eh?
- mooseontheloose, on 03/08/2008, -4/+32"At least the Americans don't suck up to cruel and extremist islamic nut jobs."
Yeah, we have our own cruel and extremist christian nut jobs to suck up to!- pintomp3, on 03/08/2008, -1/+3some of them endorse mccain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee#Claims_tha ... - highstriker, on 03/08/2008, -3/+7At least those nutjobs haven't gotten our government to execute me for being gay.
I have no respect for Christian extremists, but their influence on our government is hardly comparable to the influence of Islamic extremists in the Middle East. Yeah I may be discriminated against, I may not be able to get married, I may not get a number of benefits, etc, but at least I can live.- mooseontheloose, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3Awesome. The bar for sanity has now been set to "well, at least they're not killing me". God Bless America.
- staxx202, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1@moose
Well done sir - neko6, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1"but their influence on our government is hardly comparable to the influence of Islamic extremists in the Middle East." - influence? They choose the government in Illegally Muslim Occupied Persia...
- pintomp3, on 03/08/2008, -1/+3some of them endorse mccain:
- Texmurphy01, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc...
- tieInterceptor, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2thought that Saudi Arabia was Americas best friend? the same saudi arabia that hanged a women for witchcraft a few weeks ago...
- lorenzoamigo, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2Will Americans be throwing dollars in the IRA's collection bucket on St Patrick's day?
- Hindu_Wardrobe, on 03/08/2008, -6/+39A pro-America comment? On MY internets?
- chenjudy64, on 03/08/2008, -23/+3The truth is with that traditional Arab garb, you never know what you're going to get. I don't think you should be punished for failing to make a distinction between genders.
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -10/+2I wonder why he doesn't just wear one of those black sheets when in Iran? He could go around unnoticed.
- soomprimal, on 03/09/2008, -0/+1Most Iranians are not Arabs.
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -24/+4Iranian Homosexuals Dance!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6stf7JIL29Y&feature=rel ... - swrostmore, on 03/08/2008, -29/+3Hey LGF, you'll like this - its those damn librull educators and their islam-coddling agenda again :
http://digg.com/gaming_news/Rensselaer_Polytech_su ...
http://digg.com/gaming_news/RPI_College_Bans_Iraqi ...- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -4/+5What has this got to do with Iran executing Gays?
- swrostmore, on 03/08/2008, -11/+3Its about how here in the U.S.A., instead of caving to Islamofascists, we ban them from showing filthy propaganda artwork in our places of education. You know you want to digg it, LGFer.
- ShootTheCore, on 03/08/2008, -3/+5I was under the illusion the USA had free speech and freedom of expression...
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -11/+34Gay Day in Tel Aviv Israel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBWiMXEQPcg
Gay Day in Iran:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH07oS4aIL0- Mikhail101, on 03/08/2008, -11/+3is this propaganda against Palestine?
- rex3, on 03/08/2008, -5/+2aka your jewish... now ***** off (is that anti-semetic: even though judaism is a religoun an not a race?)
- specialK16, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2Are you blonde by any chance?
- Wholekernalcorn, on 03/08/2008, -3/+4Your an idiot. Show us Gay Day in Palestine.
- neko6, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Great, show a person that Country A has similar views to his own and that country B has extremely opposite views, and he understands someone is bashing country C.
WTF is the relevance?
- rex3, on 03/08/2008, -5/+2aka your jewish... now ***** off (is that anti-semetic: even though judaism is a religoun an not a race?)
- pintomp3, on 03/08/2008, -2/+5Hundreds of haredim riot against gay parade in J'lem
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3322116, ...- Wholekernalcorn, on 03/08/2008, -1/+5Looks like the Israelis still had a successful Gay Day!
- Beveridge89, on 03/08/2008, -1/+4There is a difference between private citizens rioting and government sanctioned murder.
- neko6, on 03/08/2008, -1/+3Welcome to democracy, free speech and such. Now let us know when young liberal Iranians riot for a gay parade in Tehran.
- Zindrix, on 03/08/2008, -2/+2I only watched one of those videos and it was terrible. Hard to believe there are places on this planet still so uncivilized.
- Edan25, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2By watching only one of the videos you totally missed the point.
- neko6, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1If u r kidding, its one of the best sarcastic comments on digg ever.
- blackjack75, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1They are actually hyper civilized. Most of this things are not in our instincts. Our instincts only tell us to murder for immediate reward not for after-death glory of wathever.
- xNIBx, on 03/09/2008, -0/+1So Isreal is more civilised when it comes to gay people than Iran. Is that really something to be proud of? If Iran is the standard that you want to compare your(?) country with, then what can i say. In Israel you dont even have political marriage. Two heterosexual people cant get married in Isreal unless they are PROVEN jews.
- Mikhail101, on 03/08/2008, -11/+3is this propaganda against Palestine?
- pianonotes1010, on 03/08/2008, -16/+86Mr. Kazemi's quote about his homosexuality was wonderful. If they do send him back to Iran, and he's executed, the recorded video should be e-mailed to EVERYONE in the English government, so they can see exactly what they did. In this day and age, everyone has the right to live, regardless of sexual orientation. Hey England, here's a "***** you" from across the pond.
- coffee200am, on 03/08/2008, -2/+14Not just the English gov......but the UN as well.
- Buelldozer, on 03/08/2008, -25/+18What THEY did? Correct me if I'm wrong but it'll be ***** IRAN that kills them, not England.
- Buelldozer, on 03/08/2008, -23/+16Yes, digg me down for exposing the gaping hole in pianonotes logic. It's his OWN country that's going to end his life and not England.
- senatorpjt, on 03/08/2008, -11/+19If they hang him, Iran won't be killing him, gravity will. Same stupid argument.
- louiedog, on 03/08/2008, -1/+9They're both evil for it.
- billydisaster, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1If I throw you to the wolves is it me or the wolves that kill you?
- Icelightning, on 03/08/2008, -2/+20However, by deporting him, England would be sending him to his death. It's delivering the victim to the murderer's doorstep on a silver platter. If you could save a life, especially with no threat to your own for doing so, wouldn't you?
- Joners, on 03/08/2008, -11/+2Sorry this is just an assumption now that he is going to be hung, it doesn't say that he WILL be hung. Wiith the media spot light on it, this could very well save his life, lets hope so.
- pianonotes1010, on 03/08/2008, -0/+7Joners, you're so naive. *Sympathy hug*
- highstriker, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4Go up a comment, and watch the 'gay day' in Iran. If he's sent back to Iran his odds of not being executed are next to none.
- Icelightning, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2Iran already knows he's gay--deportation means almost certain death.
- Joners, on 03/08/2008, -11/+2Sorry this is just an assumption now that he is going to be hung, it doesn't say that he WILL be hung. Wiith the media spot light on it, this could very well save his life, lets hope so.
- Alegoo92, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1True- but in the face of an evil or unjust threat: England now has honed some of the responsibility in this man's life.
- huaone, on 03/08/2008, -0/+6yeah, kind of like a gun doesn't kill, a bullet does.
- mllawso, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2The bullet doesn't kill: the massive trauma does.
- mllawso, on 03/08/2008, -0/+6I shouldn't be blamed for killing someone if I throw them out of an airplane: the ground kills them, not me.
- Buelldozer, on 03/08/2008, -23/+16Yes, digg me down for exposing the gaping hole in pianonotes logic. It's his OWN country that's going to end his life and not England.
- Cam_86, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4There's no chance of him getting sent back now... ESP. if hes in a country like Holland. Even if there is the political will in that country(which i doubt. They are pretty open to immigrants, and VERY supporting of gay rights) the public outcry from it would destroy any politicians career.
If people who sneak in from Mexico can get enough public support to stay, I'm sure someone facing death, fleeing from a legitimate threat to a more compassionate country will be fine. - noahhoward, on 03/08/2008, -5/+4You excel in the field of idiocy, sir. Perhaps you should level some of that pent up frustration at Iran?
- coyote1284, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Fear (justifiable or irrational, I shant comment upon) of Muslim violence trumps fear of seeming homophobic.
/Don't behead me!
- Chaoticfist, on 03/08/2008, -7/+46This is insane. It is common knowledge that Iran executes gays. AND they still want to deport him. What is wrong with these people? The dude should have tried coming to Canada, there is no chance he would have been deported for being gay and fearing execution.
- Peko, on 03/08/2008, -7/+3I wish I could whole heartily agree with you, but I wouldn't want to underestimate the power that is harper.
- Chaoticfist, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4Not really. Harper would have 0 say in this. The media would push the issue, as well as human rights groups would. Even then he would get a hearing, and something like this would get to the supreme court which would let him stay. Also something like this would take years to resolve :)
- jackkerouac, on 03/08/2008, -1/+3Seriously, you are a dumbass.
- Buelldozer, on 03/08/2008, -5/+21Maybe we should be mad at Iran, you know, because they execute people if they're not of the right sexual orientation.
- caketank, on 03/08/2008, -2/+20Who says we're not?
- rkho, on 03/08/2008, -8/+1Maybe Bush's REAL agenda is to punish Iran for ***** like this!
- coyote1284, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Bush's Iraq exit strategy?
- bjos144, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1I take back all the bad stuff I've ever said about the 51st state.
- Peko, on 03/08/2008, -7/+3I wish I could whole heartily agree with you, but I wouldn't want to underestimate the power that is harper.
- Mr.Gone, on 03/08/2008, -21/+14God, what is wrong with you Britains. (I have been waiting so long to finally get to say that!)
- Hindu_Wardrobe, on 03/08/2008, -3/+16Just because the government does something bad doesn't mean the people of the country agree with them or would do the same. That's like saying all Americans support the Iraq war.
Also, it's Britons.- b8man99, on 03/08/2008, -4/+5Ok - let's see some Brits speaking out about this rather than just keeping quiet with their heads down.
- Jennefah, on 03/08/2008, -1/+4Of course, because everyone commenting on this thread in outrage so far MUST have been American/non British.
*extends outrage... and bets eleventy-billion pounds it makes absolutely no difference to the opinion of those responsible for deporting this poor young fellow*
- Jennefah, on 03/08/2008, -1/+4Of course, because everyone commenting on this thread in outrage so far MUST have been American/non British.
- b8man99, on 03/08/2008, -4/+5Ok - let's see some Brits speaking out about this rather than just keeping quiet with their heads down.
- ChayD, on 03/08/2008, -1/+11Nothing, I deplore this as much as anyone else. This is an action of the immigration service, not the people. And it's 'Britons'
- Mr.Gone, on 03/08/2008, -3/+2Got the satire I see. Look the only reason I said this is because it appears that the American government (and in larger parts it's citizens) seem to provide the Brits with an opportunity to say "God, What is wrong with Americans?" on a daily basis.
- Jennefah, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3Any "Brit" with any sense and intelligence knows that it's the American government that makes these decisions... and that the British Government makes more than it's fair share of stupid mistakes for the world to roll it's eyes over (if the world is paying attention).
- Mattja, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1In Britain it's more like "F&£% me, what is wrong with Americans?"
One of the virtues of this country is that we don't have to invoke god before spewing bollocks. We do/did it with elegance and polite reserve instead.
- Mr.Gone, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1Should I just say Limey and get it over with?
- Mr.Gone, on 03/08/2008, -3/+2Got the satire I see. Look the only reason I said this is because it appears that the American government (and in larger parts it's citizens) seem to provide the Brits with an opportunity to say "God, What is wrong with Americans?" on a daily basis.
- nonym, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1I think the word you're looking for is "Briton."
... unless there's a joke flying just over my head ...- Mr.Gone, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Better zen Ze Germans
- haveacigar, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Strange that you ask that and not "what is wrong with you Iranians". Just because we have denied him asylum in our country doesnt mean he cant appeal in others.
- Hindu_Wardrobe, on 03/08/2008, -3/+16Just because the government does something bad doesn't mean the people of the country agree with them or would do the same. That's like saying all Americans support the Iraq war.
- TheRealToma, on 03/08/2008, -2/+20Fear wins again.
- TobiasParker, on 03/08/2008, -14/+7". So why is Britain so determined to send him back to Tehran – to almost certain execution"
[homophobia]Because he is gay [/homophobia]- Alegoo92, on 03/08/2008, -4/+1Actually I think it's because he's arab (possibly muslim). I really don't know since I'm just an outsider, but muslims have been 'taking over' english cultural centers and are being discriminated against badly in certain areas.
- Jennefah, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4I can't speak for England, but I'm Scottish which is (for now) still classified as British, and I disagree a little. The part of Scotland I'm from (near Glasgow) has a huge proportion of Islamic and other Asian people... they're a big part of our history and culture from the last hundred years or so. They get treated with (as far as I have witnessed) the same respect as everyone else.
The BNP (aka the UK nazis) and the UKIP might not like to see the mixture of races on our streets but those parties represent a MINORITY (and will hopefully continue to do so).
- Jennefah, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4I can't speak for England, but I'm Scottish which is (for now) still classified as British, and I disagree a little. The part of Scotland I'm from (near Glasgow) has a huge proportion of Islamic and other Asian people... they're a big part of our history and culture from the last hundred years or so. They get treated with (as far as I have witnessed) the same respect as everyone else.
- TobiasParker, on 03/08/2008, -2/+3Wow...just wow...i totally wasn't kidding or anything */SARCASM
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Sarcasm tags are stupid. Only stupid people need them to detect it.
- ssn697, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2/not sarcasm ^^^^^^^^
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Sarcasm tags are stupid. Only stupid people need them to detect it.
- Alegoo92, on 03/08/2008, -4/+1Actually I think it's because he's arab (possibly muslim). I really don't know since I'm just an outsider, but muslims have been 'taking over' english cultural centers and are being discriminated against badly in certain areas.
- orangetiki, on 03/08/2008, -1/+19France isn't looking so bad now what with their No extradition laws
- ArchiTech, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3No wonder the capital of the United Federation of Planets is Paris.
If only the world were forced to watch and accept Star Trek philosophy and individual rights... the world would be a better place.- coyote1284, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2I vote more for Gundam, any/all series. Each one, from 0080 to Seed Destiny, presents an profound statement about war, especially the dehumanization of the enemy, sometimes with both sides appearing dichotomously justified and reprehensible.
- ajb2015, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1france is one of the more sane places on the planet.
- ArchiTech, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3No wonder the capital of the United Federation of Planets is Paris.
- cave, on 03/08/2008, -11/+5It seems pres. Bush has got his middle eastern countries mixed up. If there's any country that is in desperate need of so called 'freedom fighters', it's Iran.
- cave, on 03/08/2008, -5/+2To people digging me down:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_iran
They need a new government... Too bad nobody seems to give a ***** about their people tough. - ZeroOrDie, on 03/08/2008, -1/+9No, Iran needs to finish its revolution. America is the one who ***** over Iran in the first place. The people of Iran need to throw over the ***** "Islamic Republic". Even the Shah was way better than these barbaric people. Don't get me wrong, pretty much all Iranians love America, if they can get a greencard, they will hop on a plane, and get their asses to America. it's just the mindset of the Islamic ***** that are in charge.
- noahhoward, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1No we couldn't do that, that would be meddling in the affairs of the great Iranian civilization.
- erkokite, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1Or Saudi Arabia.
- jer2eydevil88, on 03/08/2008, -3/+2Yeah we could invade another country... or just evacuate the Jews and turn the rest of it into glass with some nukes... I on the other hand would like to stop meddling in the affairs of these people. When they want the same freedoms as the secular world they will rise up en masse' and only then should the world should come together to intervene.
- cave, on 03/08/2008, -5/+2To people digging me down:
- jm4847, on 03/08/2008, -1/+12This disgusts me. Hopefully it's not too late.
- cfvgcfvg, on 03/08/2008, -3/+63Hanged, the word is hanged.
- Uranium118, on 03/08/2008, -13/+3Both are acceptable.
- zymase13, on 03/08/2008, -2/+11Erm, no, "hung" has an entirely different meaning.
- StGhurka, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3Right, I'm hung, he'd be hanged.
Couldn't resist.
- StGhurka, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3Right, I'm hung, he'd be hanged.
- caketank, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2Not so much.
http://www.answers.com/hang - absurdist, on 03/08/2008, -0/+12Indeed. Much better to be well hung than well hanged.
- Mattja, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2Oh periwinkles, you beat me to it. Have a digg.
- lovedunks, on 03/08/2008, -3/+4You, sir, are wrong. Thank you all for pointing this grammatical mistake out. Hopefully we can change a mind one person at a time. Uranium118 is unfortunately beyond help, I think.
- nodong, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3Language has no rules beyond usage. I bet you all use disconnect as a noun like barbarians.
- coyote1284, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2That's unpossible! But seriously, I don't believe I've heard "disconnect" as a noun. Could you give an example? (If you are detecting sarcasm, get your meter recalibrated.)
- theHM, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2coyote1284: "There's a disconnect between the punishment and the crime"
Ugh, I feel dirty.
- mllawso, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1Let me guess, next you're going to tell us it's theatre, not theater.
- zymase13, on 03/08/2008, -2/+11Erm, no, "hung" has an entirely different meaning.
- Uranium118, on 03/08/2008, -13/+3Both are acceptable.
- shoopdawoop, on 03/08/2008, -44/+2I'd rather be dead in Iran than alive in Britain.
- Alegoo92, on 03/08/2008, -0/+9At least you have a choice.
- shoopdawoop, on 03/08/2008, -7/+0tüshay
- theHM, on 03/08/2008, -0/+6WTF? Is that some mutant cousin of "touché"?
- shoopdawoop, on 03/08/2008, -7/+0tüshay
- Alegoo92, on 03/08/2008, -0/+9At least you have a choice.
- Hindu_Wardrobe, on 03/08/2008, -2/+17Civilization is ***** up.
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -1/+3where is civilization? did you find civilization somewhere?
- lense, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3It's a game.
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -1/+2Are we pretending that Iran is civilized? Can i play?
- coyote1284, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Especially on Hard. How the fsck did the Romans get Mechanized Calvary in the first 10 turns? I haven't even discovered Bronze yet!
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -1/+3where is civilization? did you find civilization somewhere?
- VinnieDaMac, on 03/08/2008, -39/+5Lol, no one wants homosexuals in their country.
- Mikhail101, on 03/08/2008, -4/+19sadly they dont care if they have idiots in there countries, like u
- Hananda, on 03/08/2008, -11/+4Not that I in any way support Vinnie here, but please, if you're going to insult someones intelligence, do so with something approaching correct punctuation and spelling.
"Sadly, they don't care if they have idiots like yourself in their countries." Or something similar.
First Grammar Nazi post. I'm now a low-quality human being, woo.- erkokite, on 03/08/2008, -3/+6stfu, petty asshat.
- moonguidex, on 03/08/2008, -3/+2and a ***** retard.
Good day! - Jennefah, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3You sounded like a teacher there Hananda. That post would make a great first lesson.
"How to insult people... properly!" *pulls down blackboard*
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -1/+3If you're going to call him an idiot, you could at least put out the effort in spelling "you". Idiot.
- Hananda, on 03/08/2008, -11/+4Not that I in any way support Vinnie here, but please, if you're going to insult someones intelligence, do so with something approaching correct punctuation and spelling.
- Mikhail101, on 03/08/2008, -4/+19sadly they dont care if they have idiots in there countries, like u
- Llanowar, on 03/08/2008, -9/+44I consider this murder.
- InspectorGadget, on 03/08/2008, -1/+22So does everyone else. No reasonable person supports what Iran is doing.
- dilpil1, on 03/08/2008, -6/+5The question is, is what Britan is doing murder.
I'd lean towards yes. I can see the arguements for no... but, I mean, well, come on.- InspectorGadget, on 03/08/2008, -4/+3"Well, come on..." isn't an argument. Did you roll out of bed today and declare that you would work to fail as much as possible? Legally, inaction can never be "murder".
- StGhurka, on 03/08/2008, -3/+2Not true. This would be negligent homicide.
- InspectorGadget, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1No, it wouldn't. Negligent homicide means that you controlled the instrumentality that caused the death,
- kaelyiesta, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1Depends on what laws you are under. For example, British common law grants negative rights only. Napoleonic law requires positive action to abide by the laws.
Morally however, I think that no one should be forced to help this man(they should be allowed to do so of their own choice), but going out of their way to send him back to iran is like pushing a man into a fire. Personally, I hope this publicity gains enough attention from the public to get enough people to insist that he is allowed to stay in their country. - StarlessKnight, on 03/08/2008, -1/+5Accessory to murder.
Quote:
An accessory is a person who assists in the commission of a crime, but does not actually participate in the commission of the crime as a joint principal. The distinction between an accessory and a principal is a question of fact and degree:
* The principal is the one whose acts or omissions, accompanied by the relevant mens rea, are the most immediate cause of the actus reus (Latin for "guilty act").
* If two or more people are directly responsible for the actus reus, they can be charged as joint principals (see common purpose). The test to distinguish a joint principal from an accessory is whether the defendant independently contributed to causing the actus reus rather than merely giving generalised and/or limited help and encouragement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_(legal_term ...- InspectorGadget, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Except that Britain would not be "assisting" in his murder, in any dictionary or common-sense meaning of the word. Britain certainly doesn't have an "actus reus", in this case.
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2GO GO GADGET LOGIC!
- StGhurka, on 03/08/2008, -3/+2Not true. This would be negligent homicide.
- InspectorGadget, on 03/08/2008, -4/+3"Well, come on..." isn't an argument. Did you roll out of bed today and declare that you would work to fail as much as possible? Legally, inaction can never be "murder".
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -1/+2This isn't murder. It's being an ass and not giving a *****. If i witness someone drowning and walk on without saying a word about it, i'm not a murderer...just an *****.
- deadmann, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3No wonder he wanted to go to the UK then.
- coyote1284, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1I see what you did there.
- deadmann, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3No wonder he wanted to go to the UK then.
- poidh, on 03/08/2008, -11/+48I'm not surprised that he is being sent back, because according to the British Government Islam is a religion of peace and therefore gay people would never be executed in an Islamic state. And to suggest otherwise would make you racist of course.
- erkokite, on 03/08/2008, -4/+16I'll tell you, Sharia law is brutal, and the UK's willful ignorance of it is disgusting. Religion of peace my ass. Racism my ass. The whole concept of racism has become a shield to hide behind. Don't like the treatment of women by Muslims in Britain? RACISM! Don't like their need to shove their filth down everyone else's throat? RACISM!
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1and i'm sick of the little flaps on coffee lids. If you don't wanna spill your coffee then you shouldn't be driving with it!
- poidh, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1Yeah yeah yeah yeah!
- coyote1284, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4Islam is peace! (and they'll behead anyone who says differently.) Allah akbar!
/runs and hides
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1and i'm sick of the little flaps on coffee lids. If you don't wanna spill your coffee then you shouldn't be driving with it!
- erkokite, on 03/08/2008, -4/+16I'll tell you, Sharia law is brutal, and the UK's willful ignorance of it is disgusting. Religion of peace my ass. Racism my ass. The whole concept of racism has become a shield to hide behind. Don't like the treatment of women by Muslims in Britain? RACISM! Don't like their need to shove their filth down everyone else's throat? RACISM!
- senatorpjt, on 03/08/2008, -4/+19I suppose the only problem would be that everyone/anyone in Iran could claim to be gay and qualify for asylum. If the US did it with Mexico, it would be empty.
- Sternkrone, on 03/08/2008, -0/+13That's a valid argument, but if you can reliably state that your BOYFRIEND was *hanged* in your home country, I think they should probably take that seriously
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Plenty of men are hanged in Iran. Just pretend you used to have sex with one of them.
- Sternkrone, on 03/08/2008, -0/+13That's a valid argument, but if you can reliably state that your BOYFRIEND was *hanged* in your home country, I think they should probably take that seriously
- troycott, on 03/08/2008, -18/+13Think of this next time you go off on how corrupt the US gov't is, and how ***** life supposedly is here.
- ScoobyG, on 03/08/2008, -3/+1What does that have to do with anything?
- EddietheHated, on 03/08/2008, -0/+5It's pertinent, because the US is constantly berated for it's free-speech violations on Digg... He's pointing out that it could be, and is much worse elsewhere.
- Flunk, on 03/08/2008, -24/+13It amuses me how hypocritical Americans have become on Digg. This sort of thing happens so often in America it no longer makes the news or just gets covered up. Yeah digg me down so you can all dramatise on how bad Britain has become even though most of you haven’t even stepped outside your own country.
- zymase13, on 03/08/2008, -1/+24Haven't read about America deporting homosexuals to Iran lately
- sgtpppr, on 03/08/2008, -2/+21Oh come on. Europeans make it a point to talk ***** on America every chance they get on here. If you're an American and you make fun of anything having to with Europe, you're 'ignorant'. If your European, you get a free pass to make fun of America.
- aserer511, on 03/08/2008, -5/+17This is gross negligence; to deport a man, just to follow some rules, to certain death. Britons should protest back home to let him stay and live
- ShadySpace, on 03/08/2008, -12/+6I like and respect the British people, even in spite of all the ***** you give us at times (some of it justified in my opinion), but America would never do this. The lengths you people go to to not offend radical sensibilities (note that I'm not using the term "islamofascism" here or something equally inane) astounds me.
- sgtpppr, on 03/08/2008, -0/+6It is true America goes way way too far with the 'Arabs want to kill us' mentality, but you have to admit...you won't see the US going down the 'we need to cater to insane Arab demands' road.
- emotecontrol, on 03/08/2008, -1/+6Buddy, if this guy came to the U.S., they'd lock him up at Gitmo and torture him to death.
- chrgrose, on 03/08/2008, -2/+10This needs to be heard.
- Emnsta, on 03/08/2008, -21/+2That's it.. Suck those balls clean..
- Uranium118, on 03/08/2008, -15/+8You can't save everyone, that's the truth and reality of life. People die every day, innocent or not, often for reasons you don't agree with. The civilized world can't save everyone just because we want to, other countries have to evolve by themselves. It took some major revolutions to reach our way of life. It will happen one day in these countries stuck in the middle-ages, if they haven't destroyed themselves before that is.
- Sternkrone, on 03/08/2008, -1/+5So…you think they should deport him so that Iran can "evolve"…? I think you lost me there. Sure, you can't save everyone, but if someone saves himself like this boy did, the only thing to do is help him. Countries like Iran DO need to evolve socially but I don't think that quenching their bloodthirst will do anything to resolve the problem.
- RockMuncher, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4So, by your logic, if a man is walking down the street, and someone walks up to them with a knife intent on murder, the policeman observing both of them should ignore the victims cries for help because 'you cant save everyone'. Maybe if enough people are stabbed, the murder will get bored.
There's a large difference between interfering in a governments laws within that government, and interceding on behalf of a person inside your own borders who has come to you for help, who is clearly going to be killed if you do not. In fact, Britain (and most civilized countries) have asylum *laws* for just that reason.- specialK16, on 03/08/2008, -2/+1"So, by your logic, if a man is walking down the street, and someone walks up to them with a knife intent on murder, the policeman observing both of them should ignore the victims cries for help because 'you cant save everyone'."
No, not at all. Although I don't agree with Uranium118, I have to say that YOUR logic certainly failed with your example.
- specialK16, on 03/08/2008, -2/+1"So, by your logic, if a man is walking down the street, and someone walks up to them with a knife intent on murder, the policeman observing both of them should ignore the victims cries for help because 'you cant save everyone'."
- noahhoward, on 03/08/2008, -11/+36Wait… Digg told me we should respect Iran's soverignty and stay out of their business. I'm so confused now. They're not the perfect paradise?
- sougly, on 03/08/2008, -0/+5I didn't know the two traits were dependent on each other.
- noahhoward, on 03/08/2008, -2/+1So do you support their right to do however they please or do you support meddling and blocking his deportation?
- StarlessKnight, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1The man in question isn't on Iranian soil, is he? The man in question requested asylum did he not?
Quote:
Right of asylum (or political asylum) is an ancient judicial notion, under which a person persecuted for political opinions or religious beliefs in their own country may be protected by another sovereign authority, a foreign country, or Church sanctuaries (as in medieval times). Political asylum should not be mistaken with modern refugee law, which rather deals with massive influx of population, while the right of asylum concerns individuals and is usually delivered in a case-to-case basis. [...] However, the development in the 20th century of bilateral extradition treaties has endangered the right of asylum, although international law considers that a state has no obligation to surrender an alleged criminal to a foreign state, as one principle of sovereignty is that every state has legal authority over the people within its borders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_asylum
A refugee is "a person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of their nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail him/herself of the protection of that country" (according to the 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee- noahhoward, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1"Right of asylum (or political asylum) is an ancient judicial notion, under which a person persecuted for political opinions or religious beliefs in their own country may be protected by another sovereign authority, a foreign country, or Church sanctuaries (as in medieval times)."
According to your quote homosexuality is not protected under right of asylum is it? I'm not saying he should be reported, I'm just being an ***** because I was sick of being told by the idiots here that Iran can do whatever the hell they please and the west should stay out of it.
- noahhoward, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1"Right of asylum (or political asylum) is an ancient judicial notion, under which a person persecuted for political opinions or religious beliefs in their own country may be protected by another sovereign authority, a foreign country, or Church sanctuaries (as in medieval times)."
- StarlessKnight, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1The man in question isn't on Iranian soil, is he? The man in question requested asylum did he not?
- noahhoward, on 03/08/2008, -2/+1So do you support their right to do however they please or do you support meddling and blocking his deportation?
- ADVIZR, on 03/08/2008, -0/+7"Respecting" sovereignty has nothing to do with asylum. The UK's decision to deny people refuge who will die, and for no reason, is a death sentence itself. Even worse, it's a death sentence coming from a supposedly progressive, democratic nation.
- glaz, on 03/08/2008, -1/+0It's a death sentence coming from a supposedly progressive, democratic nation ? I presume you mean the UK here. In actual fact it is a death sentence that is ACTUALLY being handed out by a SUPPOSED progressive, democratic nation, that being IRAN.
- ADVIZR, on 03/09/2008, -0/+1Yes, I'm referring to the UK. It's firmly established that Iran is not a progressive, democratic nation.
- sougly, on 03/08/2008, -0/+5I didn't know the two traits were dependent on each other.
- GeorgeStone2, on 03/08/2008, -1/+6We should be sending the people that just came over here for the free houses and money back.
Why does the system use no common sense? - Wugie, on 03/08/2008, -17/+8And you guys think America is so bad
- topapito, on 03/08/2008, -16/+3It is, in America you don't bother to send him back, you kill him there. Or send him to gitmo on trumped up charges.
- Sinnic, on 03/08/2008, -1/+6Blogging from Iran, are you?
- Wugie, on 03/08/2008, -1/+5Yeah, thats what we do to gay people....
Please
- Kizilbash, on 03/08/2008, -1/+7Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot. Because one side is bad, it automatically means the other is the good guy.
There are people who can actually conceive that both sides may be wrong...- Wugie, on 03/08/2008, -2/+2Good job not comprehending what I said at all. There is a reason why I said SO bad. The majority of this planet has it much worse.
- rac1234, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Good job not explaining it well enough for others to understand.
- Wugie, on 03/08/2008, -2/+2Good job not comprehending what I said at all. There is a reason why I said SO bad. The majority of this planet has it much worse.
- Dimak666, on 03/08/2008, -2/+1No one thinks America is bad, only gays are bad...
- topapito, on 03/08/2008, -16/+3It is, in America you don't bother to send him back, you kill him there. Or send him to gitmo on trumped up charges.
- zymase13, on 03/08/2008, -1/+18The smart money says the Dutch will extend asylum.
- CourtesyFlush, on 03/08/2008, -7/+12Oh, if only the world super powers would stop meddling in other countries' affairs.
Wait. What?
I'm supposed to throw that out the window if there are gay men involved?
Somebody needs to update the digg handbook and let us all know about these things.- dilpil1, on 03/08/2008, -4/+4Surely you see the difference?
- Sternkrone, on 03/08/2008, -3/+5I hope you're not being critical of foreing intervention to save this kid's life because that would be stupid. There is a big difference between, say, invading a country, and taking a refugee in from another country.
- StarlessKnight, on 03/08/2008, -1/+5America sends in special forces to assassinate someone. America sends in supplies or money to support a war lord or "revolutionary." The government falls, we get someone more closely "allied" with our interests. Or, less violent, we simply tell other governments what to do, or how to act, maybe put pressure on them from allies or the UN, place sanctions and the like.
vs.
A person, fearing persecution (and or death) in their home land, seeks asylum in another, more amicable country. No pressure is exerted on another government, no sanctions imposed, no money exchanged, no weapons, no assassination. One person leaves their home behind for the right to live.- runic, on 03/08/2008, -3/+3Yea... I'm sure Iran will be very understanding of Britain's dismissal of their laws. No chance they'll consider Britain interfering with their government. Clearly, no violence will come of that and all gay people will comfortably seek asylum in another country and depart with Iran's best wishes. After all, that's how it always works out, violence never starts from issues like these...
- CourtesyFlush, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1Apparently, 'non interference' now only covers the most extreme forms of intervention imaginable. How convenient.
This handbook is obviously an ever shifting, "which ever way the wind blows" style work in progress.
Moving the goal posts for the win!- Sternkrone, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1So…you support Iran's "right" to execute him for being gay without intervention from other countries? o.0 Wow…
- fr0ng, on 03/08/2008, -4/+35This is obviously a bogus story. Everybody knows Iran has no gays.
- Mawds, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1I agree, he's obviously lying just so he can stay in the country. It was right for the Government to deport him. If they let him stay in, every Iranian will be saying they are gay just to stay in the country. And as you said, we all know that Iran has no gays. Their President said so, and Presidents don't lie... Do they?
- shanebroughton, on 03/08/2008, -17/+4People just shouldn't be gay, it does nothing but cause problems.
- FutureisDubious, on 04/04/2008, -3/+5Prick.
- erkokite, on 03/08/2008, -3/+5People just shouldn't be trolls, it does nothing but cause problems.
- shanebroughton, on 03/08/2008, -10/+0I am not being a troll, name one benefit to people being gay...extinction?
- Orb9, on 03/08/2008, -2/+51. World population control - gays cant readily reproduce.
2. More women available for straight men.
3. Being able to make fun of gay people. - dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -1/+2Orb9 is right. How would you like it if all of the hilarious gay jokes were suddenly gone?
- highstriker, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3You're an idiot. I hate to be blunt, but you can't honestly believe that having a child is the only thing people can do for society, or to benefit people, and be an intelligent person. That's the same as saying a heterosexual has no value if they never have a kid.
But by your logic a straight or gay doctor who saves lives everyday has no worth if they don't have kids...- Orb9, on 03/08/2008, -0/+3Tool, I am saying, the world is suffering from the cancer that is humans. Just open up google earth and look around. Humans are destroying this planet and its resources at an alarming rate. We need to either technologically evolve at the same pace or the government needs to dictate the number of children families can have. Even if it means a world government so be it, that way it can be enforced worldwide. Back to the original topic, we need to thank the gays for volunteering. That is all.
- highstriker, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2I wasn't replying to you Orb9, I was replying to shanebroughton.
My point is that people's value isn't determined by the number of kids they have. And that someone who doesn't have kids can contribute just as much to society as a person who does have kids.
- UKsHaDoW, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1Great fashion/interior/hair designers? :P
- Orb9, on 03/08/2008, -2/+51. World population control - gays cant readily reproduce.
- shanebroughton, on 03/08/2008, -10/+0I am not being a troll, name one benefit to people being gay...extinction?
- joecool88, on 03/08/2008, -1/+12You mean he will be deported to be hanged. whether he's hung or not is beside the point.
- JoshuaLowe, on 03/08/2008, -1/+5I read posts from Ahmadinejad apologists nearly every time an Iran article comes up on Digg. How do they reconcile this, pray tell?
- zer0ized, on 03/08/2008, -1/+6This is just shameful.
- topapito, on 03/08/2008, -4/+12Send him to Canada, we'll take him. Probably turn him into a great doctor and add another decent human being to our ranks. Canada has taken in homosexuals from the US and given them political asylum for persecution, and they were Americans. I read that in a law book while in my attorney's office once.
- Sternkrone, on 03/08/2008, -2/+6I don't know anything about that, but I must agree that Canada is the *****. Born in Wisconsin, chose to go to McGill when I graduated high school, now I'm on digg killing time before I go to the Villlage with my friends tonight. Canada is the place to be. :D
- dynelol, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2and to freeze your ass off.
- SuminderJi, on 03/08/2008, -0/+2Toronto is no colder then NY.
I've been to Minnesota - and damnnnnnnn. - golfguy6, on 03/08/2008, -1/+1You don't deserve to claim that you were born in Wisconsin if you think Canada is awesome. We all know those Canucks are crazy!
- Sternkrone, on 03/08/2008, -2/+6I don't know anything about that, but I must agree that Canada is the *****. Born in Wisconsin, chose to go to McGill when I graduated high school, now I'm on digg killing time before I go to the Villlage with my friends tonight. Canada is the place to be. :D
- turiya04, on 03/08/2008, -16/+5As a homosexual man, I have to say that I do like my gay men hung.
- Myztry, on 03/08/2008, -2/+3Both homosexual, and a necrophiliac ? :)
- gab00n, on 03/08/2008, -11/+1Don't worry guys since they are religious fanatics we know they will treat the guy like they themselves would want to be treated, all religious people are like that and who would want to be hanged? This guy is as safe as gold on a Jew's doorstep.
- curtis87xc03, on 03/08/2008, -9/+1Britain lives for this *****: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betrayal_of_the_Cossa ...
- Joners, on 03/08/2008, -1/+3curtis87xc03, when was the last time that you were in the UK?
Im guessing never... Stop using wikipedia as your sole source of information and open your eyes, trying getting off your lazy boy. - zymase13, on 03/08/2008, -0/+4Wasn't that why Sean Bean in Goldeneye was so pissed off?
- Joners, on 03/08/2008, -1/+3curtis87xc03, when was the last time that you were in the UK?
- kelly, on 03/08/2008, -12/+3I wonder if he'll be hung well or if he's just well hung.
- mhearne, on 03/08/2008, -3/+3I was wondering if anyone else would notice. As my second grade teacher taught us: "The horse was hung, but the man was hanged".
All the talk-show hosts made this same error when Saddam was on trial, and it just about drove me nuts.- derekJAB, on 03/08/2008, -0/+0I did, but it's a risky business correcting grammar on Digg.
- microchp, on 03/08/2008, -0/+1Take a chance and dont pander to those that migh bury your comments. Google still sees all. ;-)
- derekJAB, on 03/08/2008, -0/+0I did, but it's a risky business correcting grammar on Digg.
- mhearne, on 03/08/2008, -3/+3I was wondering if anyone else would notice. As my second grade teacher taught us: "The horse was hung, but the man was hanged".
- MuslimGhost, on 03/08/2008, -1/+0He's probably just making that story up to get asylum.
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