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- jboitnott, on 11/09/2008, -7/+32Yitzhak Rabin was a great man. We in the United States remember him very fondly, and are sad that he is not with us.
- Coven, on 11/09/2008, -4/+29To think if Rabin would still be with us, where would the issues in the middle east be today?
I remember vividly how my late grandmother, who lit her Shabbos candles every Friday night, reacted to the news that Rabin had been killed. I remember the forlorn look in her eyes as she sat at her kitchen table, listening to, not even bothering to watch, her television. The American Jewish community knew exactly what had been lost that day. Rabin was probably Israel's best chance at peace. - Psamtik, on 11/09/2008, -1/+26When I was in middle school, my mom opened up my world history book and added his assassination to the timeline in the back. Naturally, I've never forgotten.
- MikiMac, on 11/09/2008, -0/+17http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin
- inactive, on 11/09/2008, -5/+21I remember that sad day.
No doubt a great loss for humanity. - megaloid, on 11/10/2008, -0/+12As an IDF general, he reputedly suffered a nervous breakdown on the eve of the '67 war because he could not prevent it.
- pintomp3, on 11/09/2008, -2/+13he was probably trying to prevent it from reading "Huge Tel Aviv rally to mark 13 year anniversary of Rabin ass"
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -1/+12Are we still stuck on this "Jews killed Jesus" bit?
I thought Pontius Pilate killed him. At least, that's what they taught us in Sunday School. - Coven, on 11/10/2008, -3/+14Except Rabin was successfully negotiating with the Palestinians, and was seeing great leaps and bounds taking place in the way of Arab-Israeli relations.
Should I take your comment as an endorsement of Rabin's assassination. After all, he was one of those "wimpy leftists".
You never cease to amaze me. - Coven, on 11/10/2008, -0/+9Perhaps one of these references will help:
-In Judaism, 13 signifies the age at which a boy matures and becomes a Bar Mitzvah (Age of 12 for Girls, or Bat Mitzvah).
-The number of principles of Jewish faith according to Maimonides
-According to the Torah, God has 13 Attributes of Mercy
-The number of circles, or "nodes", that make up Metatron's Cube in Kaballistic teachings. - dkapuchino, on 11/10/2008, -0/+9Google up "Hamas charter". Then google up the israeli declaration of independence. Check which one uses phrases similiar to "lend our hands in peace to our neighbors", and which one uses phrases such as "We should kill all the jews, until the very last one".
- Hollow5, on 11/09/2008, -1/+10too late
- quarkie, on 11/10/2008, -1/+10I'm curious where you got those quotes from. The first one you credited to Sharon was from an interview with someone referred to as "c" and there has been, to my knowledge, no confirmation that it was Sharon.
The best I have found is that the interview "matches his way of thinking". Meaning someone looked at the quote and said, h"ey based on our opinion of Sharon he probably said this".
I am checking the other quotes too for their sources. - Bkaufman, on 11/09/2008, -5/+14In before this is somehow linked to Conspiracy theories.
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -0/+6QUICK -- LOOK ^^^^^ Them Jeeee-oooooos are using their secret code again! This proves it! ^^^^^ Oy vay!
Ya chabibi! Ha'metumtamim hahem hishtagu achshav. Chevre -- anachnu col cach ra'im. Mi rotze lifgosh be'Michmoret be'beit ha'pancacim ha'mekori? Lehitraot ve'namshich be'ha'krav neged ha'metumtamim!!!! - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -0/+8Funny, the emphasis is always only put onto Israel.
I wonder why that is? Do you think people would actually single the Jews out for some reason? Weird. - dkapuchino, on 11/10/2008, -0/+7he was sent to jail for life.
- dkapuchino, on 11/10/2008, -1/+9I was at that rally. All around me were signs, posters, t-shirts, all calling for peace. It was my forth time in the rally in Rabin square, since he was assassinated 13 years ago. One after another, famous Israeli artists and key political figures took the stage. Words of hope, words of dispair. And the songs. Memorial songs, and the peace songs we sung 13 years ago. As always, it ended with Yankale Rotblit's song - "A song for peace".
http://www.rotblit.co.il/shir_lashalom/shir_lashal ...
Listening to that song, which has become such a strong symbol in Israeli culture, I couldn't avoid being suddenly stricken by a question. One I would not dare ask 13 years ago, but could not avoid asking now. This rally was both a memorial rally, and a peace rally. What about the other side though? Why don't they ever have peace rallies? Why is it that only "kill Israel" rallies are able to get their people out on the streets? - pintomp3, on 11/09/2008, -1/+9why not?
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -2/+10I've just been re-reading "Israel, Palestine and Peace" by Amos Oz. One point he makes is that the notion that you become friends and then make peace is a Christian idea embedded in European thought; the way that peace would be possible in the Middle East (among a bunch of Semites) is by coming to a political settlement/understanding that is honored ("peace") and then, due to living side by side, and intereacting and doing business together for purposes of self-interest and expediency, then you become friends.
That reminded me of something I have read somewhere else (though I can not recall the source). During the Eisenhower administration (1963-1961), someone in a top position had the following to say: "I don't know why the Israelis and the Arabs can't just sit down together and talk, like good Christians." - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -0/+7llama shlosh esre?
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -0/+7Ok, well let's add the other big recipients of our money too Turkey and Egypt?
We actually use that money to bend the arms and twist the wills of some key countries there. Like it or not, without the threat of losing that money it could be plenty worse. - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -0/+8I have seen pictures of the Peace Now rally and march against the Lebanon War in the early 80s, when 10% of the country turned out in Tel Aviv. It's a shame that there is nowhere like that amount of people on the other side to engage. This is the tragedy.
- foopirata, on 11/10/2008, -0/+7shteim esre avar ve lo ratzinu lechakot le arba esre.
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -2/+9It's not really fairytales when you can fly Israel or Jordan (or anywhere there), read a passage from the Bible that says "over a hill from a giant landlocked ocean and next to a cave" and BAMN, right there, next to that cave is some Roman Amphitheater that the 'good book' is talking about.
I mean, duh? Obviously the book isn't magic, but it is submitted as evidence. - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -14/+21If the past 20 years have been any indication, one just cannot negotiate with Islamic countries who want to, in the words of the Islamic terrorist Yasser Arafat, "push Israel into the sea".
All the Palestinian peace initiatives are lies to get piecemeal over time what they couldn't get via open warfare. And the wimpy leftists in Israel are letting it happen. - Barackalypse, on 11/10/2008, -1/+8I'm not sure you can make peace with the Palestinians, they can't even seem to stop killing eachother.
- quarkie, on 11/10/2008, -0/+7biglal she ze mispar tov.
- vandersarJr, on 11/10/2008, -0/+6Shalom haver.
- Aharoni, on 11/10/2008, -0/+7Get your facts straight. Israeli intelligence did warn the American one, they never took it seriously (taking into account that the CIA and other agencies receive thousands of warnings on a daily basis, I guess it should come as no surprise).
- Coven, on 11/10/2008, -5/+12In your eyes, was Rabin a criminal about to harm innocent people?
- Coven, on 11/10/2008, -4/+11The Hebrews and the Arabs both stem from the same forefathers.
- Aharoni, on 11/10/2008, -0/+5אתם יודעים שאפשר לכתוב בעברית, נכון?
(you know you can write in Hebrew, right?)
but you'll probably get dugg down...
and btw - the Original Pancake House in Michmoret isn't really the same Beit Hapancake. Those guys moved to Hertzeliya. - vault, on 11/10/2008, -0/+6Yeah, a Kabbalistic death curse. I'm sure that's exactly what happened to Ariel Sharon. Wow...you are truly insane.
- vault, on 11/10/2008, -3/+9Rabin was well-meaning, and his loss is a tragedy, but I would hardly call his negotiations successful. Arafat refused to cooperate from day one, and the reason he agreed to participate is because he was already losing power and the deal would have cemented him as the legitimate government of the Palestinians. It was not like Arafat just suddenly decided peace would be a great idea. That is why many people are opposed to negotiating with terrorists...not because we all secretly want war (though some do for whatever sick reason), but because there is little point in giving concessions to someone who is absolutely not going to hold up their end of the bargain and whose participation is predicated upon their own agenda.
Land-for-peace is actually a misnomer. It should be called "land for the easily broken promise of peace."
I'm not saying peace is impossible. I just don't see it as realistic with the current Palestinian leadership. I think relations will improve once the world isn't dependent on Middle Eastern oil and the Arabs lose their major source of funding. We are probably 25 years or so away from that. - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -0/+5Can't read and write Hebrew. Not Jewish :(
I can only write kosher and hadash. - neko6, on 11/10/2008, -5/+11"There is a difference between mass systematic racial cleansing" - which the Palestinians attempted to inflict on the Jews? Yeah, we remember 1929, 1948, 1973...
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -2/+8Vault, very intelligent comment, thanks for taking the time to inform us.
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -3/+9Exactly neko. Never again.
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -1/+7*sigh* Elitist ultra-liberal fanatics. You can never please them. You can never have enough Wellstone bumperstickers to be as good as they.
Uh, so I "obviously" didn't vote for Obama then.. because I don't hate Israel as much as you?
Who's paranoid now? Admittedly yourself .
Oh and btw, two comments down "FREE PALESTINE FROM THE OPPRESSIVE ZIONIST PIGS" Tell me I didn't predict that one. - foopirata, on 11/10/2008, -0/+4Aharoni - transliteration is funnier in the eyes, and impervious to automatic translation :D
Man we're evil. - guyro, on 11/10/2008, -0/+5I was there at the rally, as I have been most years. It is especially touching to see young children who were barely born at the time of the assassination and who are growing up both to remember this great leader and to understand the difficulties and threats Israeli democracy faces.
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -2/+7The death curse story is true and cool.. but such bologna.
Do you actually believe in a curse. Come on. - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -1/+6if Jews = pigs, then you = *****.
- inactive, on 11/10/2008, -0/+5You said free Palestinians from the Zionist pigs. Palestinians live in Israel, which means the Zionists you refer to also live in Israel. The Zionists there are predominantly Jewish. Therefore, according to you Israeli Zionists are Jews, and furthmore they're pigs.
And according to me, you're *****. - pintomp3, on 11/09/2008, -10/+15FTA: Defense Minister Ehud Barak called right-wing Israeli extremists "cancerous growths"
very true, on both sides of the isle. - pintomp3, on 11/10/2008, -2/+7right-wing also implies religiously conservative. ahmedinijad is also very right wing.
- poidh, on 11/10/2008, -2/+7Right wing?
What, you mean he was into capitalism and free markets? - inactive, on 11/10/2008, -2/+7Neato... JIDF sounds like he has never been to Israel.
- NinaOdell, on 11/09/2008, -1/+6
I remember vividly the day Yitzhak Rabin was assasinated.
I was fairly clueless about who he was and his significance before that day, but I had stumbled on a lengthy obituary.
As I recall, he had been a vicious general back in the 60s and 70s. He then had a change of heart and went on to become a man of peace and to try to broker it when he came to power.
He was shot by a man in his early twenties (who strongly disagreed, I guess).
When the coroner got the body, they found a blood-stained copy of the "Song of Peace" in his jacket.
Like I said, this is all from my (often feeble) memory, so feel free to correct.
That day, I found out that Jewish folks mourn with a yartzeit sometimes. I went down to the Safeway (big grocery store), brought one home and lit it. I'm not Jewish, but it was all I could think of to do. -
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