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'How-to-be-*****' seminar canceled
worldnetdaily.com — ohhh damn, thats cause i got the day off...
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- aerostar, on 05/15/2008, -7/+13This "cancellation" should serve as an encouragement to the Moral "Minority" in America, that we CAN make a difference if we all stand together. To do otherwise is to lose by default. That is totally unacceptable.
Just beause we feel "out-gunned" and "out-manned" in this struggle, we dare not quit. We MUST keep our vigilance intact... this cancellation is proof positive... & is undeniable.
Let's keep the faith... Semper Fi- PodJumper, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2I think your attitude about this is extremist and rude and more importantly there was no "how to be a *****" seminar, there was to be a seminar to help fathers to foster understanding with their gay kids, cutting through the hyper-masculine heterosexism that can lead to a weak bond between father and son. As a Christian you should stop being a sheep to this kind of spin. They spin this for the mighty dollar and nobody should take it like a sheep. Even without viewing the source information, you should already know there wasn't a seminar on such a topic. Just because some secularist has hijacked a Christian media outlet doesn't mean you have to be controlled by a lie. Sheep in this instance is a mindless follower. This really isn't what being a christian is all about. IT WAS canceled due to a lack of interest; there were some 18 other seminars going on that just got better attendance.
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http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/05/how-t ... - PodJumper, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2dugg for stupidity
- PodJumper, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2I think your attitude about this is extremist and rude and more importantly there was no "how to be a *****" seminar, there was to be a seminar to help fathers to foster understanding with their gay kids, cutting through the hyper-masculine heterosexism that can lead to a weak bond between father and son. As a Christian you should stop being a sheep to this kind of spin. They spin this for the mighty dollar and nobody should take it like a sheep. Even without viewing the source information, you should already know there wasn't a seminar on such a topic. Just because some secularist has hijacked a Christian media outlet doesn't mean you have to be controlled by a lie. Sheep in this instance is a mindless follower. This really isn't what being a christian is all about. IT WAS canceled due to a lack of interest; there were some 18 other seminars going on that just got better attendance.
- KJeffV, on 05/15/2008, -4/+11fta: "Bill Gregory, a retired United Church of Christ minister & mbr of the Boys to Men brd...."
Big surprise . . . not. - thehifidoc, on 05/15/2008, -6/+9Reason #22,003 to get your children out of government schools as soon as you can.
- KCLorelei39, on 05/15/2008, -6/+6Canceled due to lack of interest, was it? I wonder how long before that story changes to it being canceled due to someone 'feeling threatened and intimidated' or otherwise suffering hurt feelings by the public outcry against the seminar...thus allowing the ACLU to sue the Boys to Men organization for major $$ while continuing its efforts to erode morality in our society.
- JimmySpaza, on 05/15/2008, -7/+6Such groups don't even try to hide their evil ways any more. They have no shame...and probably really have no sense of morality left in them anymore.
- cnsrvatv, on 05/15/2008, -7/+6Quit pushing your sick, perverted, disgusting, depraved, nasty, nauseating, repulsive, vile, detestable lifestyle choices on us!!! STAY AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN !!! Fight back...we can't allow this to become commonplace.
- lydecker, on 05/15/2008, -2/+5As long as you quit pushing your lifestyle choices on us, and stay away from our children too.
- cnsrvatv, on 05/17/2008, -0/+0Sorry, I wasn't aware I was. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I certainly didn't mean to harASS you, I was just ANALizing the story and making a comment. Didn't intend to POKE fun at you.
- lydecker, on 05/15/2008, -2/+5As long as you quit pushing your lifestyle choices on us, and stay away from our children too.
- Brumbar, on 05/15/2008, -4/+4Just love it when a plan comes together and the good folks win. Keep you powder dry and your eyes sharp folks, it's far from over.
- bioya1, on 05/15/2008, -5/+3According to the usual ***** that show up on this website homosexuality is genetically predetermined. So why push this issue in school on impressionable heteros? Sounds like ***** are trying to exceed their own grasp, which is usually regarded as depraved by the vast majority of normal humans.
- lydecker, on 05/15/2008, -1/+5"According to the usual ***** that show up on this website homosexuality is genetically predetermined." A few say that, but many say it's predetermined (whatever the cause), and most say it's decided in early development stages.
"So why push this issue in school on impressionable heteros?" I'm not sure what you're referring to. If you're talking about this particular seminar, it was a) not a "how-to" as WND misrepresents, it was an examination of societal male and gender identity, and how homosexuals don't have to change to fit an societal stereotype... and b) it was not pushed on anyone, heterosexual or homosexual; it was an offered seminar that people had to sign up for.
Please cite statistics on opinions of the "vast majority of normal humans."- bioya1, on 05/16/2008, -2/+1 "A few say that, but many say it's predetermined (whatever the cause), and most say it's decided in early development stages." So how is that different from genetic predisposition?
"I'm not sure what you're referring to. If you're talking about this particular seminar, it was a) not a "how-to" as WND misrepresents, it was an examination of societal male and gender identity, and how homosexuals don't have to change to fit an societal stereotype... and b) it was not pushed on anyone, heterosexual or homosexual; it was an offered seminar that people had to sign up for." As usual, ***** hide (or lie) concerning the reason that they push their agenda, and you are no different.
Please cite statistics on opinions of the "vast majority of normal humans." The odds are vastly against you since 98% (or more) of humans are NOT *****. Even with the ultra libs in your corner you are still a very small minority which is shunned by other minorities such as black or chicanos. I grew up in Mexico and they have a very low tolerance for *****.
Pray for your own salvation.- lydecker, on 05/16/2008, -0/+3Genetic predisposition is one possibility of predetermination. The womb environment has many hormones interchanging with the mother, which would cause a biological influence (also would describe how the odds of having a homosexual child increase with the number of older brothers). Also, psychologists who say that psychology has influences as well as biology say what influences it is created in youth, and doesn't surface until puberty. These theories are not genetic.
Just saying "***** hide (or lie)" makes your statement no more factual. The seminar WAS voluntary. There would be no way to force attendance on people.
You said they are regarded as depraved by the vast majority of humans. You have failed to represent that, since 98% of non-homosexual humans do not feel this sentiment. I know that the homosexual existence is a minority. And even other groups who struggle for equal rights always don't approve of others... Women didn't always approve of black's freedom from slavery, and black's often don't approve of equal rights for women. Low tolerance doesn't mean they don't deserve it.
- lydecker, on 05/16/2008, -0/+3Genetic predisposition is one possibility of predetermination. The womb environment has many hormones interchanging with the mother, which would cause a biological influence (also would describe how the odds of having a homosexual child increase with the number of older brothers). Also, psychologists who say that psychology has influences as well as biology say what influences it is created in youth, and doesn't surface until puberty. These theories are not genetic.
- bioya1, on 05/16/2008, -2/+1 "A few say that, but many say it's predetermined (whatever the cause), and most say it's decided in early development stages." So how is that different from genetic predisposition?
- lydecker, on 05/15/2008, -1/+5"According to the usual ***** that show up on this website homosexuality is genetically predetermined." A few say that, but many say it's predetermined (whatever the cause), and most say it's decided in early development stages.
- SaintDogbert, on 05/15/2008, -1/+2"Boys to Men Americorps VISTA Program"? Is that some kind of delivery service?
- InRussetShadows, on 05/15/2008, -5/+3There's a lot of pressure on boys in school to conform to some uber-macho standard, so there's validity in reaching out to boys to assure them that they're ok. It's exploitative that homosexual advocacy groups prey upon children like this. Of course, this feeds right into homosexuals' desire to have underage boys for their pleasure, and please don't tell me that "only pedophiles want that". This is a "mainstream" homosexual group pushing this stuff. There is no line being drawn. It's obvious.
- lydecker, on 05/16/2008, -0/+5"There's a lot of pressure on boys in school to conform to some uber-macho standard, so there's validity in reaching out to boys to assure them that they're ok."
I don't know what you were trying to say, but this is the point of the seminar, if you'd look into it's course description on their site. It was a discussion that being gay doesn't mean you have to conform to this uber-macho standard, nor does it mean you can't conform to some uber-macho standard. It was about discussing male identity (which people commonly stereotype to be this uber-macho standard.
The seminar was for people to take strength in their identity and not be condemned for not fitting in to other people's ideas of what somebody should be. This seminar was a choice to attend, open to homosexuals and heterosexuals and their role models too. It's not somebody preying upon children.
Pedophiles are the only ones who want underage boys and girls for their sexual pleasures. I'm not sure what mainstream group you are referring to that is pushing adults having pleasure with underage children. Heterosexual or homosexual. Can you cite?
- lydecker, on 05/16/2008, -0/+5"There's a lot of pressure on boys in school to conform to some uber-macho standard, so there's validity in reaching out to boys to assure them that they're ok."
- jb1965, on 05/16/2008, -3/+1This is nothing more than a group of pedophiles going shopping for fresh meat in our schools! This is just messed up! These people are sick!
- zortnac, on 05/16/2008, -0/+2"How-to-be-*****" seminar? How can people read worldnetdaily when it lacks any sign of journalistic integrity? This wasn't a workshop on "how to be gay," it was a workshop for young gay men and their fathers to work on their relationships and to talk about society's ideas of masculinity.
When I was very young I enjoyed a wonderful relationship with my father, and while I still do, when I learned that I was gay it did adversely affect our relationship, and it's taken some time to repair that damage. I would have loved to have this kind of resource available to me.
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