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- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -19/+115People who get arrested really don't seem to be too religious when they are breaking the law.
- inactive, on 07/07/2008, -4/+81Its against my religion to get arrested by the cops so you can't arrest me.
- Eezyville, on 07/07/2008, -7/+74The cops should go by the set rules to effeciently and effectively do their jobs. Their job is to enforce the law as well as abide by it. The Jewish religion is NOT law. If this woman broke the law then she will not get special treatment because of her religion. They shouldn't adjust the sysetem to accomidate the needs of a specific person or group. And if she doesn't want this to happen again then don't get caught breaking the law.
- ironeus, on 08/01/2008, -0/+46Kotlarsky said it best towards the final paragraphs. Wig or no wig the facial features remain the same. I think if an arrested woman is wearing a wig then regardless of religion a female officer should be allowed to search it for contraband, as with any other head wear, i.e. burka, hat, etc.
In terms of the photograph, it should depict the way this woman appears in public as long as her face is shown. - ironeus, on 08/01/2008, -1/+46I would generally agree with you; though in this case she's accused but not convicted.
- Hetman, on 07/07/2008, -4/+47This is stupid. If you have a wig on for any reason you have to take it off. That is not to much to ask. Take of your wig. It is that simple. They make bank robbers take off there mask, why would they not make this women take off her wig?
- louiebaur, on 07/07/2008, -5/+46I agree no special treatment for a criminal regardless of their religion. Religion out of Crime and out of politics.
- kjartan, on 07/09/2008, -1/+42you have the right to your religion, but your religion doesn't give you special rights.
- SteelChicken, on 07/08/2008, -2/+35Law > Religion
- MattBD, on 07/07/2008, -4/+36If someone is wearing something that can be used to disguise their features, the police should be able to make them remove it if necessary. I remember hearing a story a few years ago about a university in London where everyone had to have their photograph taken for their student ID, but female Muslim students were allowed to wear a burkha and cover their faces so you could only see their eyes. What's the point of that? The whole idea is that you should be able to recognise that person from their ID, and under a burkha that could be anyone.
- Akaricloud, on 07/08/2008, -1/+29I personally respect everyones right to follow a belief or religion in my country. Be-it Christianity, Muslim, Judaism, Hinduism etc. However I also believe myself, that when a person chooses to continue to follow that belief in a country, the also have to follow the rules and laws of the countries governments and bodies (stay with me here) Now, in most western countries we pride ourselves on our legal system and law enforcement system on being completely neutral, impartial and BLIND to things such as a persons wealth, power, religion etc. We pride ourselves so much on that infact that our symbol for law is the blind folded woman with the scales of justice and sword in hand.
Therefore I like to think, and be reassured, that when the time comes in which the legal system must act; whether through the local police or the actual courts, a persons religion or personal beliefs should not gain them either leaneance or result in persecution.
I've rambled, but my point is this. All people SHOULD be treated impartially by the police. If this means a person needs to remove their headscarf for a photograph or a religious wig, then it should be done. A persons religion, for good or bad, should not matter in the face of the law. - danielpyle, on 07/07/2008, -2/+27Ok ....can I be a member of that religion...oh and also the one
that gives out free beer to members....daily. Thanks! - CVL4317, on 07/07/2008, -0/+20ID is not an ID when it will not help in IDentifying someone clearly. and as long as i remember, burkha is not religious things, but rather cultural. Request confirmation on that for clarification.
- AmyVernon, on 07/07/2008, -0/+17well, it is a religious custom, but, like many religious customs, it's an interpretation of a requirement. Muslim holy law proscribes that men and women dress modestly. In some Islamic nations, women are required to wear a burqa except in their own homes.
In this case, Orthodox Jewish women believe they must wear wigs over their natural hair when out in public; it is not specifically ordered in any holy book, but it is the interpretation of certain religious leaders that requires it.
you do raise an interesting point, however, on the issue of the photo needing to properly identify someone. In this case, some said that the woman would more easily be identified if she were wearing her wig, as she wouldn't be seen without it. - Chompy, on 07/09/2008, -1/+16OK, now what is to stop *anyone* from claiming that they observe this religious custom and that they, too, must be allowed to disguise themselves for photographs? Legally, anyone could claim anything; there is no accreditation process for a religion's validity. What if I believe that the FSM requires that I wear a clown mask at all times? What if I believe that being photographed at all will steal my soul? Everyone has to be treated the same, which means that nobody gets special treatment, for any reason. The wig comes off.
- minorthreat, on 07/09/2008, -1/+15alot of people in our country believe religion = law
- NeedzABetterSN, on 07/09/2008, -3/+16Go ***** yourself.
- TheSabre, on 07/09/2008, -1/+14*sits back and watches as Diggers' heads spontaneously explode over deciding whether or side with police or religion.*
- AmyVernon, on 07/07/2008, -1/+12part of the problem here is that the department didn't have a totally clear set of rules; and the state sets no guidelines in the matter...
- Apokalyps2547, on 07/09/2008, -1/+12The freedom to practice your religion must not be harmful to society. In this instance, she is hampering the police's ability to (lawfully) investigate crime.
- wexmajor, on 07/09/2008, -1/+12Religion != Law
- inactive, on 07/09/2008, -3/+13Wow a genuiniely interesting article on digg
its:
not cop bashing
not religioon bashing
not obama loving
not mccain hating
not digg loving
not apple loving
OBJECTIVE
WOW - inactive, on 07/09/2008, -0/+10i am so sick of people going on about how the US is a totalitarian dictatorship. get some world perspective or shut the ***** up please.
- inactive, on 07/09/2008, -0/+10That's weird, I know several schools (including mine) where if female students had religious obligations, a female took the picture and printed the card, then at every exam one of female personnel checked the ID (in a separate room) to match with face. Everybody was happy.
But if somebody, as in your example doesn't want a clear picture of their face taken, then maybe they'd better stay out of school. I doubt they'll be able to use whatever they learned later anyway. - stringerbell, on 07/09/2008, -8/+17I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and due to my religious beliefs, I am not allowed to be confined in any way or punished either (unless that punishment involves nothing more than restraints, strippers and beer). I guess my religion makes me immune from prosecution... And, before you go saying: 'You can't just go and make up ***** and call it a religion!' Is that not exactly what all the mainstream religions have done? Is the Flying Spaghetti Monster really ANY less believable than the poly or monotheistic gods? Me thinkst not...
- chiefbandit2200, on 07/09/2008, -0/+9No, you have to practice your religion in ways that aren't illegal. The first amendment is there to make sure the laws are unbiased toward any religion.
- wexmajor, on 07/09/2008, -2/+11"It raised an interesting question, though: How far should police go to respect suspects' religious beliefs?"
Answer: Zero distance. - Charun, on 07/09/2008, -4/+13Innocent people never ever get arrested.
- Xenth, on 07/09/2008, -1/+9You don't have to be a criminal to be arrested. All that requires is being charged with a crime, no matter how baseless it may be.
- lrdntwnd, on 07/09/2008, -0/+8I'm pretty sure that the law states that one is innocent until proven guilty. Simply being arrested and charged is not the same as actually committing a crime. The rights of the individual under suspicion should not be infringed merely because they are suspected of committing a crime.
- revisrev, on 07/09/2008, -1/+9To me it seems that the rules were pretty clear... they just didn't have any special rules for this religion, which is reasonable, because it doesn't matter what her religion is. Also, a booking photo isn't exactly in public. As long as she doesn't end up on America's Most Wanted it won't even be an issue.
It's a pretty simple process. Take off glasses and head wear... where's the issue. I may have a wig because I'm bald, and I may find it humiliating to take it off, but if I get arrested nobody will care about that. Being a religious person does not mean that you don't have to follow the same rules as everyone else. - cheezintern, on 07/09/2008, -1/+8This is pointless. It's like the case of the Arab woman in Florida that wouldn't remove her burkha for her driver's license photo. How can a cop possibly identify someone if they're wearing stuff on their head in the photo? It'd be like a clown wearing their make-up for their driver's license photo.
- scy1192, on 07/09/2008, -0/+7how else would a Ninja keep his identity? If he was found out, he'd have to kill you...
- inactive, on 07/09/2008, -3/+10***** RELIGION!.... that is all
- Phyraxus, on 07/09/2008, -5/+12Well, the REALLY religious ones would be stoning people for working on Sundays.
- inactive, on 07/09/2008, -1/+8Public Safety > Religion
- lsloany, on 07/09/2008, -1/+8And some believe religion > law.
- JeffD, on 07/09/2008, -1/+7@se1zure
So you're saying murder suspects shouldn't be searched for concealed weapons until after they have been convicted? - oxymoron69, on 07/09/2008, -1/+7Even a MAN!
- lsloany, on 07/09/2008, -0/+5As for separation of church and state, I'm sure Thomas Jefferson would disagree.
- DiogenesJr, on 07/09/2008, -0/+5If you were a real Ninja, how could you be caught by the police in the first place? See, this is a non-issue.
- inactive, on 07/09/2008, -2/+7I want to know what she was getting arrested for.
- NuclearIsShit, on 07/09/2008, -2/+7What if she has an AK in her wig, and then when they go to cuff her, she waxes all their asses. Then how would we all feel?
- lsloany, on 07/09/2008, -1/+6Who pays attention to the bill of rights these days? The United States Government sure doesn't. Let us just blindly follow as to not make a big ruckus.
- inactive, on 07/09/2008, -0/+5Hell's Weather Service just issued a blizzard warning.
- WhiskeyLemur, on 06/30/2009, -0/+4Absolute, your comment does not warrant a reply, but I shall give it anyway: while the wording "separation of church and state" does not in itself appear in the Constitution, it is clearly stated in the First Amendment, which you have clearly never bothered to read:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
The wording is not identical, but the concepts obviously are. If you're going to have the balls to claim to be a patriot, at least have the decency to know what your country is founded on. The Bill of Rights, being the first ten amendments to the US Constitution, presented for your amusement and edification: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constituti ... - thecatcantalk, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4Then again, the Talmud explicitly states that killing a goy is not murder, because goyim are not human and don't have souls; because, under orthodox Jewish law, only Jews have souls. The rest of us are created by God to be their slaves. Look it up.
Talk about racist *****! No wonder you never see English translations for sale at Borders. - lordzelo, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4Akaricloud, you've made the best point I've read in all of these comments.
When you enter into the criminal/criminaly charged processing system your religion gets left at the door.
You want your religion to matter or be held above the law? Then get out of the US. - WhiskeyLemur, on 06/30/2009, -2/+6Don't know about you, but I've never been arrested....
- Gizza, on 07/09/2008, -0/+4I am of a Vampiric religion which requires me to kill and drink the blood of someone every night. Now allowing me to do that is oppressing my religious beliefs.
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