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- mrgarci1, on 08/21/2008, -2/+412 quotes stick out:
"Re-education-through-labor provides local authorities with a way to detain citizens without filing criminal charges.... Inmates can be sentenced to up to three years, although they can be kept for a fourth year for failing to admit their guilt or violating camp rules. Sentences can be appealed, but they are reviewed by the same Public Security Bureaus that handed them down."
To my understanding, there is a designated protest area for the Olympics. But it seems applying to protest there is basically signing your own arrest warrant. Am I wrong? - hawkspur, on 08/22/2008, -4/+29China is a totalitarian hellhole. The Olympics have just been them putting glitter and perfume on a pile of dog ***** decisions their government doles out.
- JMellissa, on 08/22/2008, -2/+27Slavery by any other name is still slavery.
- Tarnum, on 08/22/2008, -0/+24Forced labor for someone in her 70s is practically a death sentence.
- Technopundit, on 08/22/2008, -2/+21Yah, but they turn out iPods REAL CHEAP!
- WoollyMittens, on 08/22/2008, -1/+16Arrest warrant... I'd call it death warrant. Nobody survives 4 years of hard labour under appalling conditions and without medical care or proper nutrition.
- Jaysunli, on 08/22/2008, -6/+20I hate the folks that use the "Well, you use Chinese products so you can't say anything about their governement!" arguement.
It's ridiculous. - Backdrifts, on 08/22/2008, -1/+14There's a great book about these places called 'Bitter Winds' by a guy who was imprisoned in one for nearly 20 years. After being labeled a 'counterrevolutionary rightist' by the government they stuck him in one, and he just got transferred from one to the other for the next couple of decades. If you're interested at all check it out, the guy's name is Harry Wu.
- LocalDocal, on 08/22/2008, -1/+12No, you're right. There was another article (concerning foreign bloggers protesting) in which the article said specifically that despite the law about having to apply for a permit to protest, *no* permit has ever actually been granted. Instead, they're, as you said, used to sign your own arrest warrant.
You know, I'm actually glad for this article mainly because the article mentions how these labor camps can be used to detain people without charges and how they seem to be used as a source of revenue. In the actual article with the two women being arrested (and several other articles actually), dumbasses would always appear to screech about how it's 'China's laws' and China can do whatever it want. I think this article provides a better view of what China's law is all about. - scabbers, on 08/22/2008, -5/+16Thank God America won't ever imprison people without charges or legal representation etc!
/s - thisisparta, on 08/22/2008, -3/+12Jesus, this ***** is almost bad as the North Koreans.
- hawkspur, on 08/22/2008, -1/+10It's functionally impossible to avoid them. I'm sure you completely avoid all Chinese products and services right?
- dwhitbeck, on 08/22/2008, -2/+10The Chinese dictatorial leadership should have a little re-education through labor.
- nimbusnacho, on 08/22/2008, -4/+11War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength; Education is Labor.
- inactive, on 08/22/2008, -5/+12Sounds an awful lot like the US prison system.
Stick people in for protesting or drugs and then have them work for tiny amounts of money. - shig, on 08/22/2008, -1/+7Answer: A boot stomp to the face, and a kick in the neck.
- vexingmodstwo, on 08/22/2008, -2/+8And just yesterday, Obama said we should be more like China.
- RobbyInternets, on 08/22/2008, -1/+7Sports boycotts went some way to helping the situation in South Africa but for some reason there is no real swell of support for an Olympic boycott. Sorta stinks if you ask me, I'd boycott it but then I wasn't paying it much attention anyway.
- atgmac, on 08/22/2008, -4/+10Yes, america puts people applying for a permit into hard labour camps all the time.
- Methusalah, on 08/22/2008, -0/+5There's a big difference between being taxed to fund programs that at the very least were intended to help those in need and programs where 70 year old women are forced to spend 12 hours a day performing hard labor to bring in revenue for the government. You may not like paying Social Security and medicare etc, but I much prefer that over being forced into slavery for 4 years because I simply requested permission to protest a decision my government has made.
- normlsparky, on 08/22/2008, -1/+6our privatized prison system is different only because it makes shareholders in prison stock rich instead of the government. just think of how those stock prices will jump when the fema concentration camps in most states are filled to capacity. once that happens, the sheer volume of forced labor will finally make us competitive again in the world markets. just a few more pesky constitutional rights left to eliminate. in the interests of national security, of course.
- inactive, on 08/22/2008, -1/+6This is Slave Labor. Tibetan Monks have also been sentenced to re-education unless they renounce the Dalai Lama.
- 5xSTUN, on 08/22/2008, -0/+5Or, as Orwell put it, "...a boot stamping on a human face forever."
- bentman78, on 08/22/2008, -6/+11socialism at it's best...
- ShisouKen, on 08/22/2008, -0/+4Dugg down for idiocy
"Leave the country and stop bitching about it"
Methinks you don't know much about China. - wexmajor, on 08/22/2008, -0/+4I don't think many people in the US are in prison for protesting. The drug comparison is unsettlingly apt though.
- edebolt, on 08/22/2008, -2/+6A couple of hundred thousand people in reduction camps sounds really low. When I traveled thru southern China there were many signs along the road saying no pictures etc of the people working in the fields. This is because it would be bad publicity if shown inside or outside of the country. At one point we had our camera taken and had to endure a 3 hour questioning. In addition whenever a family has more than 1 child and don't pay the bribes then the authorities take the over quota children and they grow up in the camps. Perhaps they are not called re education but there are a lot of orphan kids working for the state in China.
- Phearce, on 08/22/2008, -1/+5?!? I saw the article as significant in terms of due process and free speech. Shifting the conversation to prison-effectiveness or jingoism is just distracting.
- diabolicedict, on 08/22/2008, -2/+5I love Chinese product and services, why should i avoid them? I am not a hypocrite to claim the moral high ground on this issue.
- govsucks, on 08/22/2008, -3/+6Yeah, thank ManBearPig that our government doesn't force people to participate in government programs like the Chinese do.
Its funny to watch collectivists get mad at other collectivists...its like watching a snake eat itself. - eckofire, on 08/22/2008, -2/+5this makes me sick.
- normlsparky, on 08/22/2008, -2/+5thanks for letting us know that your enjoyment of facilities created quickly with slave labor is at stake here. how dare issues like human rights infringe upon your right to enjoy things quickly and cheaply. your "LEAVE THE COUNTRY and STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT" remark illustrates that your ignorance is indeed legendary. people will talk about your low IQ for generations to come. what part of PRISON LABOR CAMPS made you think people could just say "no thanks, i'd rather just leave the country"??? wouldn't that undermine the greater good philosophy of the communist ideology? how would anything ever get done? in the end, facilities get completed in all types of governments. some just do it by paying people a living wage and treating them with dignity instead of resorting to slave labor.
- methylamine, on 08/22/2008, -0/+3you rock. see you in the camps. ***** the goons who call themselves "government"
- bentman78, on 08/22/2008, -0/+3sorry...collectivist progressive government at it's best.
- rebrad, on 08/22/2008, -0/+3Sorry Phearce, I'm a libertarian and don't support either candidate. I was once a Democrat until I learned that their definition of freedom was more Orwellian than mine.
- inactive, on 08/23/2008, -0/+2The US also has reeducation camps. We call them public schools. In these camps you can learn how Lincoln, Wilson, FDR and Truman were great presidents. How capitalism cause the Great Depression and the government saved us (pay no attention to the Federal Reserve). You can also "learn" how we having a Living Constitution.
- liuite, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2your authoritarian government has built a dam in an earth quake prone region right above where tens of millions live...a dam rupture will cause the largest man-made disaster in history which will make katrina pale in comparison. too soon to be proud of that dam as only time will tell!
- Dunhamzzz, on 08/22/2008, -1/+3Yeah, but they turn out iPods REAL CHEAP
- Dibou, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2No one gets arrested for protesting. They get arrested because the "protest" involves throwing blood on someone, blocking traffic, blocking doorways, etc. Even then they are let go within hours usually.
- Jaysunli, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2Owning something made by a country and denouncing horrible actions by a government are totally different things that have no basis on each other.
What's wrong with you people. - locamama, on 08/22/2008, -1/+3especially if you are already in your late 70's. I don't think these women will make it out of this camp.
- thegrantman, on 08/22/2008, -2/+4I don't understand why you're getting dugg down,it's a valid comparison. It seems the only free speech worth defending is their own.
- arjie, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2I can get clothes made in India, food grown in India; cars made in plants in India (import duty on cars is 110%); gas pumped from the Gulf, Russia, Venezuela; chairs (CHAIRS? WTF?! Chairs are made all over the place). It's only all my electronics that are made in China. I live in India, of course.
theaceoffire: You live in the United States for god's sake, agriculture is so damn big there. You're the third largest producers of wheat in the world. You're complaining about food?
I still can't get over 'chairs'. Don't tell me you don't have a carpenter within a kilometre of your place (if you live in a suburb). - bluesman3535, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2How much did the Chinese government pay you for your ridiculous post here? How is "applying for a protest permit' a political belief?
- bunkybrewman, on 08/22/2008, -1/+3All you have to understand is that most people are SHEEP and unable to think and form an opinion for themselves. Thus, the reason N000bama's comments have been buried. (as mine will be also)
Bury sheep, bury!
/Dig only if you can think for yourself - jabelar, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2Well, the word "criminal" is self-referencing. You can make any stupid law and then call someone who breaks it a criminal. That is the problem with the drug laws in US. Someone should have the right to wreck their own lives/health by using drugs, but a huge number of people are in jail for possession. I'm not bashing US cause I agree the situation in China (and many, many other countries) is much worse -- not just the laws are bad, but the police, the jailers, the politicians, etc. But I object to the idea that "criminals belong in jail" without examining whether the laws themselves are dumb.
- govsucks, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2Gaia already blessed me with life sir and now these damn collectivist fools wanna take it away for THEIR lofty ideas.
- govsucks, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2Methusalah: So forcing people to work is ok if you have lofty ideals?
BTW, try not paying social security and see if your government doesn't put you in a little concrete room where you can be butt raped. You might not "rather have that" after all. - Pixelpaws, on 08/22/2008, -2/+4"Freedom is Slavery" - George Orwell, 1984.
- rebrad, on 08/22/2008, -0/+2They get nutrition and medical care. Healthy organs bring higher prices on the world market.
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