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- liquidsilk, on 07/18/2008, -37/+120Right. Because immigration and making deals = taking over. So I guess the US will be taken over by Mexico or some South American country very soon as immigration rates are high.
I'm going to get a lot of buries but here goes since they won't let me post on the article itself. The verification system is messed up or they don't like what I have to say.
Gun supply does not equal not being humanitarian. In US, we're all about the right to bear arms. We say, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." So how is it we don't apply the same logic to Africa?
I agree Africa deserves better but they need better leadership. Don't blame the people outside. Blame the ones inside, they're the ones deciding the direction. I don't agree with the treatment of Africans as children. China is not threatening Africa with war if they don't comply.
Why should the west be worried? It's not like the Chinese people will settle in Africa and start claiming it as their own. They're not like the Jewish people with Israel who settled down in Palestine and staked it as their own. I know, I know, you think I'm being anti-semetic here but it's not about the Jews. It's about the action. (FYI: I'm from New York City and I get all the Jewish holidays off. =) I also grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. So don't think I have anything against them as a ethnicity/race )
I don't care if you're running away from genocide. It does not mean you have the right to claim a land that your people has left for hundreds of years. That's like China claiming Russia is theirs because they used to live there thousands of years ago. At least Germany was punished for killing Jews, the Japanese government still deny in their textbooks the genocide of Chinese people in Nanking. Anycase, I digress.
If the west can support Israel in their action against Palestine, then there's no reason for them to see China as a threat. Unless, the hidden reason is that the only reason they supported Israel was because Jewish people are white and they have Jewish people in their countries. Then, we're talking about a different story.
Headline: China is a threat because they're not caucasian and not a minority group in our countries! - Hetman, on 07/18/2008, -4/+46Poor Africa. No one cares about your people. They just want your land and resources.
- Midtowner, on 07/18/2008, -7/+45This could be great for the people of Africa. So long as China doesn't give colonialism a go and lets its immigrants work through proper political channels and allows them to become part of independent African democracies, this could be a great thing. In fact, an influx of educated immigrants might be Africa's salvation.
- sheasie, on 07/18/2008, -5/+29We (the West) had our chance... for years... and all we did was ***** Africa over even harder than they were ***** over to begin.
- manoftruths, on 07/18/2008, -15/+36Africans will end up like native Australians and American Indians. They will die out gradually from AIDS, malaria and other diseases. Internal wars and genocide will take its toll. A few will survive in the deep jungle and in the Chinese slums.
They will even have the right to vote but will be so outnumbered that it will not matter.
The first nail in the coffin was the division of Africa into small nations. None can be strong enough to defend itself. Africans cannot see beyond their domestic strife and think as a collective. They sell their precious resources for food instead of investing in agricultural and industrial projects to feed and sustain themselves. It will be too late when they find out that “trading with the natives” is not all that it seems. Can’t they learn from history?
I cry for Africa. - Regbooker, on 07/18/2008, -14/+34If Africans thought White colonials were harsh... just wait until the Chinese have full control of the continent.
(Last year I've spent 7 months in Beijing auditing the upgrade of a power plant. I know very well about what I'm talking about) - Brad324, on 07/18/2008, -1/+21but if the chinese capture both Asia and Africa, they'll collect an extra 5 armies per turn!
- shitforbrains, on 07/18/2008, -3/+21There's a billion people in China. They have overworked their land for so long that they struggle for subsistence in most of their country. They need room to expand and they have the political and military might to do anything they want, largely unchallenged. If China moved troops into say Myanmar, Laos and Thailand, who would stop them? We might bluster for about 10 minutes and then the Chinese would hold up and wave the 10 gazillion dollars worth of bank notes they have, threaten to cash them in and ruin our econony and then we would just whimper and shut up. Same thing if they walked into Kazahkstan or Mongolia, or even India. I'm not scared of them however. I for one welcome our new Asian masters.
- musicmaverick, on 07/18/2008, -6/+23hopefully it can only be good for africa in the long run? chinese immigrants will inevitably stay and aid in the development of the continent, as they have done in other parts of the world.
- bosssmiley, on 07/18/2008, -0/+16So China is restoring its' old Ming-era imperial spheres of influence in East Africa after a period of internal upheaval and reconstruction. Old news is new again.
Even if this turns into a new (non-political) overseas Chinese diaspora, who says that's a bad thing? Look at South East Asia and the western chinatowns: everywhere they go the Chinese get their heads down, work hard and get ahead. Who can begrudge them that? - bluenash, on 07/18/2008, -4/+20There goes the neighborhood.
- inactive, on 07/18/2008, -22/+36So Africa has a significant population of Arabs, Blacks, and Chinese. Now all they need are more Russian Immigrants and you would have the posterchild for Americas hate.
- notoneofus, on 07/18/2008, -1/+15"- just wait. ever heard of taiwan?"
The reference to Taiwan is irrelevant. China does not view Africa as a breakaway province that needs to be returned to the fold and would have no reason to do so. Now *you're* comparing apples and oranges. - thelif, on 07/18/2008, -1/+13So it's not ok for a country to become a dominant force in the world unless it's the U.S.?
- Psythik, on 07/18/2008, -6/+18At first glance, I somehow managed to read the title as: "How MrBabyMan's taking over Digg, and why we should be worried".
Hmm... - boocowofdeath, on 07/18/2008, -2/+14my fear is that China's business and "aid" deals are a thin veil for imperialism. they won't have to threaten Africa with military action if they control the economy
- mleaman, on 07/18/2008, -1/+13Worked for the British! Colonials ho!
- Hetman, on 07/18/2008, -1/+12We also had a cold war with the Soviet Union for over 30 years. They do happen to be caucasian. And of course there are the Germans. I think it is more likely that we just have confrontations with any country that we fill has power or is gaining power. Regardless of there race.
- toowired77, on 07/18/2008, -5/+15This article is *****. I am from Africa and I can tell you that we welcome the Chinese to our continent. The assumption of this article is that super powerful China is coming to take over poor weak Africa. The Chinese are not trying to sell their culture or claiming superiority. Both communities have much to learn from each other. We welcome you China.
- PSotter, on 07/18/2008, -3/+13Ah, The Daily Mail. That bastion of journalistic integrity. I read it for the news. Really.
- morningmatters, on 07/18/2008, -5/+14According to PEW research China is among the most favorable countries in African nations. Right now most Chinese in Africa are migrant workers. On the long run I can see ethnic tensions as the Chinese community there becomes more affluent.
I dugg the article but there is something annoying about the subtle racist attitudes of britian papers, especially news dealing with its former colonies. - Pinkertinkle, on 07/18/2008, -10/+19Yes more yellow fear mongering please! Pretty sure it's Europe that has a rich history of taking over places, especially in Africa. Something about the Heart of Darkness.
- antipoet, on 07/18/2008, -0/+9I agree with some of what you're saying. I do want to point out that there is a lot of shady influence coming from outside African nations. Capitalist big wigs are very much taking advantage of people and situations in Africa. And some of those ventures cause a lot of suffering.
- evil-doer, on 07/18/2008, -1/+10not to mention that many countries in africa speak french. those mericans love to hate the french too
- selmer, on 07/18/2008, -1/+10Interesting article, but I am not really following most of these comments.
- mizznike, on 07/19/2008, -2/+10I agree that there are definitely racist undertones to this article. Especially this line:
"Despite Britain's commendable colonial legacy of a network of roads, railways and schools, the British are now being shunned. "
Right, WE did a good job colonizing Africa, but we can't trust the Chinese to do the same. We're good colonizers. The West is always in the "right", until it figures out it's wrong, and then it turns around and condemns everyone else. - s0m31john, on 07/18/2008, -10/+18Yellow man's burden.
- emrldwpn, on 07/18/2008, -11/+19I like how Britain's colonial legacy is "commendable", but when China builds railroads, it's "taking over"... :rollseyes:
- gaoshan, on 07/18/2008, -2/+9This is getting out of hand! What does China think they are doing here... Africa is OURS to meddle with, not theirs. Stop China, Keep Africa American!!
- Pinkertinkle, on 07/18/2008, -0/+7I think they have some sorta One Child Policy?
- Hangly, on 07/19/2008, -7/+14I've lived in Beijing since 1992 and you are full of *****.
- darylkff, on 07/18/2008, -3/+10I'm just looking forward to all the hot Sino-African women who be on the planet after a generation of intermarriage.
The Chinese who immigrated to Jamaica and have been mixing, and providing us with beautiful (albeit, quite nutty), but gorgeous specimens like Naomi Campbell. - SHUUTOBI, on 07/18/2008, -2/+9Gated Chinese compounds that don't allow native blacks or blacks in general in...
How thoughtful. - bjornski, on 07/18/2008, -1/+8It's no more crazy than "The Muslims are coming! The Muslims are coming!"
- canewediggit, on 07/18/2008, -15/+22except china is a threat because they have the military strength to actually challenge us and the economic power to own us. you're comparing apples and oranges and the israel analogy has no relation here.
"Gun supply does not equal not being humanitarian" - yes it does when you are supplying the armies of despots and actively preventing the international community from stopping genocide (as in darfur). shipping crates of guns to people like mugabe is about as non-humanitarian as it gets.
"China is not threatening Africa with war if they don't comply." - just wait. ever heard of taiwan?
if you don't think china is a real threat to replace the u.s. as the dominant force in the world, your head is in the sand. - inactive, on 07/18/2008, -13/+20The British and Americans need to STFU about Chinese weapons sales. They can complain when their troops aren't based in other countries and their companies aren't peddling death in Africa and Asia.
As for the Chinese "take over..." well, God Bless the Drama Queen. - inactive, on 07/18/2008, -1/+7The Daily Mail is not an accurate representation of 'britain' papers at all.
I'm digging you down for spouting silliness. - EthylAdded, on 07/18/2008, -1/+6What's wrong with education, training and becoming part of a growing economy?
Extinction of a large amount of culture, yes, I know. - bjornski, on 07/18/2008, -3/+8Like they're doing with the US.
It works. - hiikeeba, on 07/18/2008, -1/+6So you're basically saying the Chinese aren't going to act like Europeans did when they came to this continent?
- unitethenations, on 07/19/2008, -3/+8I honestly think that you don't need to be crying for people like me, considering that I'm getting an education at one of the best universities in the world, and like some of the second generation children I know, I intend on returning to the country of my parents with my degree in hand in order to improve it.
- inactive, on 07/18/2008, -1/+6You underestimate the Africans. They have a a strong sense of pride, are highly skilled in guerilla warfare and quick to riot. If the chinese really want to enslave them, they chose the wrong continent.
- bmcnally, on 07/18/2008, -3/+8Ummm . . . Africa has one of the highest birthrates in the world. How will this solve a chronic overpopulation problem?
- nbyn, on 07/19/2008, -1/+6..or you'll have Brooklyn.
- ciaran036, on 07/19/2008, -0/+4Good on ye! I thought I was going to bump into a pile of eejits that believe the crap the daily mail comes out with!
- toowired77, on 07/18/2008, -3/+7Sounds like one of your wet dreams. Africans have been around since the beginning of humanity. We will always be around. Your generalizations show that you know nothing about the diversity of the African continent. You speak of a billion people like its a guy you once met. Who are you to tell us how Africans think?
- unyuzyall, on 07/19/2008, -2/+6OMG. "I cry for Africa"?
- MikeFallopian, on 07/18/2008, -2/+6It's not only a human migration that should have us worried. China is pumping trillions of dollars into Africa in the form of investments and development projects, even in war-torn areas like Somalia. When those areas recover and restart their exports of natural resources, the country to which they will have friendly ties will be China, to the great benefit of the Chinese. It's a brilliant plan that will reap huge financial rewards for China in the coming century. This is one area where China's central planning government is a big advantage: instead of planning a couple months or a couple years ahead, they plan on the scale of decades. We need to educate ourselves and elect leaders that are similarly willing to make long-term investments.
- dengzhi, on 07/19/2008, -1/+5chinese are smart
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -0/+4@digggeek: maybe in some smaller/weaker countries that would be possible, but what about places like Nigeria and Ethiopia? Those are poor nations, but they have powerful and disciplined armies, are highly nationalistic and even the civilian population has lots of guns. If the chinese would start acting like masters over there, the backlash would get real bloody real fast.
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