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How China's taking over Africa, and why we should be worried
dailymail.co.uk — With little fanfare, a staggering 750,000 Chinese have settled in Africa over the past decade. More are on the way. The strategy has been carefully devised by officials in Beijing, where one expert has estimated that China will eventually need to send 300 million people to Africa to solve the problems of over-population and pollution.
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- liquidsilk, on 07/18/2008, -37/+120Right. Because immigration and making deals = taking over. So I guess the US will be taken over by Mexico or some South American country very soon as immigration rates are high.
I'm going to get a lot of buries but here goes since they won't let me post on the article itself. The verification system is messed up or they don't like what I have to say.
Gun supply does not equal not being humanitarian. In US, we're all about the right to bear arms. We say, "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." So how is it we don't apply the same logic to Africa?
I agree Africa deserves better but they need better leadership. Don't blame the people outside. Blame the ones inside, they're the ones deciding the direction. I don't agree with the treatment of Africans as children. China is not threatening Africa with war if they don't comply.
Why should the west be worried? It's not like the Chinese people will settle in Africa and start claiming it as their own. They're not like the Jewish people with Israel who settled down in Palestine and staked it as their own. I know, I know, you think I'm being anti-semetic here but it's not about the Jews. It's about the action. (FYI: I'm from New York City and I get all the Jewish holidays off. =) I also grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. So don't think I have anything against them as a ethnicity/race )
I don't care if you're running away from genocide. It does not mean you have the right to claim a land that your people has left for hundreds of years. That's like China claiming Russia is theirs because they used to live there thousands of years ago. At least Germany was punished for killing Jews, the Japanese government still deny in their textbooks the genocide of Chinese people in Nanking. Anycase, I digress.
If the west can support Israel in their action against Palestine, then there's no reason for them to see China as a threat. Unless, the hidden reason is that the only reason they supported Israel was because Jewish people are white and they have Jewish people in their countries. Then, we're talking about a different story.
Headline: China is a threat because they're not caucasian and not a minority group in our countries!- canewediggit, on 07/18/2008, -15/+22except china is a threat because they have the military strength to actually challenge us and the economic power to own us. you're comparing apples and oranges and the israel analogy has no relation here.
"Gun supply does not equal not being humanitarian" - yes it does when you are supplying the armies of despots and actively preventing the international community from stopping genocide (as in darfur). shipping crates of guns to people like mugabe is about as non-humanitarian as it gets.
"China is not threatening Africa with war if they don't comply." - just wait. ever heard of taiwan?
if you don't think china is a real threat to replace the u.s. as the dominant force in the world, your head is in the sand.- shitforbrains, on 07/18/2008, -3/+21There's a billion people in China. They have overworked their land for so long that they struggle for subsistence in most of their country. They need room to expand and they have the political and military might to do anything they want, largely unchallenged. If China moved troops into say Myanmar, Laos and Thailand, who would stop them? We might bluster for about 10 minutes and then the Chinese would hold up and wave the 10 gazillion dollars worth of bank notes they have, threaten to cash them in and ruin our econony and then we would just whimper and shut up. Same thing if they walked into Kazahkstan or Mongolia, or even India. I'm not scared of them however. I for one welcome our new Asian masters.
- notoneofus, on 07/18/2008, -1/+15"- just wait. ever heard of taiwan?"
The reference to Taiwan is irrelevant. China does not view Africa as a breakaway province that needs to be returned to the fold and would have no reason to do so. Now *you're* comparing apples and oranges. - mklnz2, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5""China is not threatening Africa with war if they don't comply." - just wait. ever heard of taiwan?"
Er the only reason Taiwan was ever threatened because they think it was once "part of China" and they want only "one" China to exist.
The Africa situation is completely different.
Apples & Oranges. - thelif, on 07/18/2008, -1/+13So it's not ok for a country to become a dominant force in the world unless it's the U.S.?
- whorunbartertwn, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5>except china is a threat because they have the military strength to actually challenge us and the economic power to own us.<
Wrong and wrong.
China's military is improving but they lack the force projection capabilities to challenge the US.
Their GDP and GDP/cap are smaller, so unless you're counting growth as the primary measure of economic strength (in which case several small poor SE Asian countries own the USA) I don't understand where your logic is coming from. - tkotam, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1*****,
can you please look at what you write and replace "China" with the USA and then replace "Myanmar, Laos and Thailand" with Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras?
Having the capabilities does not mean something's going to happen.. *****, I can work, but does not mean I want to go to work.. Given a choice, I rather not haul my ass to work and stay at home reading your interesting comments on DIGG..
Come on... - shitforbrains, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1tkotam,
The reason we would never take over Mexico, Guatemala or Honduras, is that as American properties we would have to bring them up to American standards. We can't afford to do that or believe me Mexico would have been the 51st state long ago. China on the other hand has needs that can be fulfilled by subjugating those asian countries and replacing their people over time with Han Chinese like they did in Tibet.
- Hetman, on 07/18/2008, -1/+12We also had a cold war with the Soviet Union for over 30 years. They do happen to be caucasian. And of course there are the Germans. I think it is more likely that we just have confrontations with any country that we fill has power or is gaining power. Regardless of there race.
- liquidsilk, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1Much better argument. I didn't think of the Cold War.
Thank you for giving an intelligent answer without being negative about it. (No sarcasm here in case you didn't know the tone). =) - Arahail, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2Of course, it's the Brits who wrote this article, not Americans. You are talking about an article with a writer putting this on the comments:
Despite Britain's commendable colonial legacy of a network of roads, railways and schools, the British are now being shunned.
He made it sound like the British were welcomed there to mine African diamonds, and build railways to make resource extraction more efficient. That's one of the biggest insult on that article. I'm guessing the British are being shunned because no one likes them since they are dicks for too many years.
- liquidsilk, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1Much better argument. I didn't think of the Cold War.
- boocowofdeath, on 07/18/2008, -2/+14my fear is that China's business and "aid" deals are a thin veil for imperialism. they won't have to threaten Africa with military action if they control the economy
- bjornski, on 07/18/2008, -3/+8Like they're doing with the US.
It works. - Arahail, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3Maybe you should change how the U.S. operates first, because the US must be your worst nightmare if that's what you fear.
- bjornski, on 07/18/2008, -3/+8Like they're doing with the US.
- antipoet, on 07/18/2008, -0/+9I agree with some of what you're saying. I do want to point out that there is a lot of shady influence coming from outside African nations. Capitalist big wigs are very much taking advantage of people and situations in Africa. And some of those ventures cause a lot of suffering.
- warsongs7, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1As they say, Africa is the future of the world, as it was the beginning if you believe in Darwinism. Anyway, Africa and Africans were exploited in the past (slavery) and will continue to be exploited only because of nations with nothing other than their own selfish interests at heart.
- jabberwolf, on 07/18/2008, -6/+6It depends
Will the Chinese go over to africa and actually bring wealth and agriculture to land that's not used?
Kinda like Israel but then again it was BRITISH palestine owned all other british lands were gladly given to Arabs.
Oh well who cares about history lessons where you take fake numbers to make your propaganda more likable.
Or so you still insist on using population and crop numbers for the ENTIRE british palestine which included Jordon?
And yeah while there was an immigration OUT of Israel by palestinians to let Arab nations try and push Israel to the sea, that doesnt matter to you. That would be like people from Washington State moving to a Canada (who would be friends with USSR) in hopes of the Unites States being wiped out, and hoping to return after the USA kicked their asses. Would the USA let those ***** back? HELL NO!
But hey, you try and fake and hide history all you like. Its common and most people here wont look up all the history will they now?! That's what you depend on.- Arahail, on 07/19/2008, -1/+4Buried for stupidity.
- rz8472, on 07/18/2008, -3/+7Yeah so selling weapons to Sudan to commit genocide in Darfur isn't amoral in any way.
- tkr2099, on 07/19/2008, -1/+4Immoral. Amoral means to deny the existence of morality.
- Arahail, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3The whole point of the guy's response is that people can't criticize when they are in no position to. U.S. has a history of killing people by the millions, as does the British. From native Americans to slavery and coups all over South America and the rest of the world. You don't talk about morality from other country when your country has committed some of the worst inhumane acts the world has ever known, all for money of course.
- hiikeeba, on 07/18/2008, -1/+6So you're basically saying the Chinese aren't going to act like Europeans did when they came to this continent?
- liquidsilk, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2There's a difference between going and is. Right now, I'm talking about "is". They haven't acted like the Europeans yet and I don't think they have to do it to get what they want. There's plenty of other third world countries to make deals with.
Quite honestly, there's Chinese people everywhere, not just in Africa. I also don't understand why everyone also assumes that the immigrants are all pro-China. Just because I'm an American doesn't mean I support the US 100%. I still have my doubts about some things.
- liquidsilk, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2There's a difference between going and is. Right now, I'm talking about "is". They haven't acted like the Europeans yet and I don't think they have to do it to get what they want. There's plenty of other third world countries to make deals with.
- Petrarch1603, on 07/18/2008, -6/+1have you thought about connecting your mouth to a generator? it would solve the world's energy problems
- liquidsilk, on 07/19/2008, -1/+2Don't agree with someone? Give a reason why and have people understand your point of view. Have an intelligent discussion instead of being childish.
Can't do it? You probably can't figure out why you don't agree then. It's so much easier to be a smartass than to prove an argument. You're quite brilliant. Maybe you can find the solution for world peace since apparently you also found the solution to the world's energy problems. Oh, that's sarcasm in case you didn't catch on. Just needed to spell it out for you since I think you're...well...dense, to be polite.
- liquidsilk, on 07/19/2008, -1/+2Don't agree with someone? Give a reason why and have people understand your point of view. Have an intelligent discussion instead of being childish.
- ciaran036, on 07/19/2008, -0/+4Good on ye! I thought I was going to bump into a pile of eejits that believe the crap the daily mail comes out with!
- liquidsilk, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2Yea, me too.
- picbi, on 07/19/2008, -5/+5Jews are not a race,
Jews come in Black (Ethiopians), Brown(Middle East) and White (American, EU emigrants) skin colours.
Just like Christianity is not a race because there are black and white christians- warsongs7, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3And also people, PLEASE. Jesus was from the Middle-East and an Arab. Just because they spoke a different dialect of the Arabic language does not make them a separate nation. In every movie or book I have read Jesus is portrayed as someone from France or the UK. All modern monotheistic religions started and will end in the Middle-East. Hence the political tension in the area. Jesus should be accepted for his message (real message and not the corrupted Christian one) and not his race.
- Ransack, on 07/19/2008, -2/+5"At least Germany was punished for killing Jews, "
No country in modern history was more punished than the japanese. Germany got a slap on the wrist compared to what the japanese got. 2 nuclear bombs on pristine cities. Thats not called punishment in your twisted eyes? You have no clue.- solid12345, on 07/19/2008, -2/+2One could argue Dresden was just as malicious if not more than the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
And no Japan was not punished like the Germans, we didn't invade the Japanese mainland and rape and pillage our way through like the Russians did when they reached Berlin. - LocalDocal, on 07/19/2008, -1/+1No, that is not called a punishment. Japan didn't have two nuclear bombs dropped on them because of what they did to the Chinese; they got it because they were still fighting in WWII. Just maybe this is why Japan is able to deny what it did to China while an international condemnation would immediately ensue if Germany was to deny what it did to the Jews?
However, even in the context of Germany's damages vs Japan's damages, your argument is still insanely idiotic. Not only did Germany had more casualities (total and percentage-wise, but it also had greater cost overall. The difference between what happened to Germany and Japan doesn't even come close. - Ransack, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3Dresden was firebombed badly, so was Tokyo. The nuclear bombing was worse because it continue to kill innocent children decades after the war was over.
- solid12345, on 07/19/2008, -2/+2One could argue Dresden was just as malicious if not more than the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
- Hangly, on 07/19/2008, -1/+5When the Chinese open fire with machine guns on natives with spears (like the British did in the Sudan,) I'll be worried.
- solid12345, on 07/19/2008, -3/+2Oh please, a good 50% of the Palestinian population in 1948 was descendants of Arabs who emigrated there in the late 1800s after the Zionists came and greened the desert. They had no less claim to the land than the Jews.
- HubrisDeadPan, on 07/19/2008, -1/+3Britain gave that piece of Israel to the jews after WW2, the jews didn't 'take' it.
- KhanneaNL, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1For the correct perspective on the matter, take the time to watch THIS :
http://www.thoughtware.tv/videos/watch/2474-Michae ... - weirdo50, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2China is a threat to us? Why is America so afraid of losing it's status as the world leader? Even if China becomes powerful enough to take America's place as the world leader, it doesn't mean that the world is going to end. Chinese people aren't these evil money-eating monsters the media and Tibet-campaigns are portraying them as.
- canewediggit, on 07/18/2008, -15/+22except china is a threat because they have the military strength to actually challenge us and the economic power to own us. you're comparing apples and oranges and the israel analogy has no relation here.
- UltramegaOK, on 07/18/2008, -22/+36So Africa has a significant population of Arabs, Blacks, and Chinese. Now all they need are more Russian Immigrants and you would have the posterchild for Americas hate.
- dkapuchino, on 07/18/2008, -5/+9Well, the US has a huge and significant population of Blacks, Chinese, Arabs and Russians. I guess that must be self hate coming out of your mouth then.
- evil-doer, on 07/18/2008, -1/+10not to mention that many countries in africa speak french. those mericans love to hate the french too
- picbi, on 07/19/2008, -1/+2There are alot of White people living in North Africa (indeginous), who are arabs, media in America like to depict arabs as one certain look.
- nbyn, on 07/19/2008, -1/+6..or you'll have Brooklyn.
- theone3, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1Well.. If you will hate everyone except Europeans - what do you expect?
- Midtowner, on 07/18/2008, -7/+44This could be great for the people of Africa. So long as China doesn't give colonialism a go and lets its immigrants work through proper political channels and allows them to become part of independent African democracies, this could be a great thing. In fact, an influx of educated immigrants might be Africa's salvation.
- bosssmiley, on 07/18/2008, -0/+16So China is restoring its' old Ming-era imperial spheres of influence in East Africa after a period of internal upheaval and reconstruction. Old news is new again.
Even if this turns into a new (non-political) overseas Chinese diaspora, who says that's a bad thing? Look at South East Asia and the western chinatowns: everywhere they go the Chinese get their heads down, work hard and get ahead. Who can begrudge them that?- notoneofus, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3I think it could be a good thing, especially if it *is* something of a return to Ming-era spheres of influence -- which is where it looks as if it could be heading. That's assuming, of course, we're talking 16th century, when it was a pretty good time to trade with China, and arts and sciences were booming, rather than 17th century, when everything pretty much collapsed.
Then again, what about treasure ships? I suppose those will now be full of oil.
- notoneofus, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3I think it could be a good thing, especially if it *is* something of a return to Ming-era spheres of influence -- which is where it looks as if it could be heading. That's assuming, of course, we're talking 16th century, when it was a pretty good time to trade with China, and arts and sciences were booming, rather than 17th century, when everything pretty much collapsed.
- Technohamster, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3Yeah, more exchange can help everyone.
- razor150, on 07/19/2008, -1/+3Just as long as you ignore the genocide China is supplying then yeah, I suppose China's current involvement is a good thing.
- bosssmiley, on 07/18/2008, -0/+16So China is restoring its' old Ming-era imperial spheres of influence in East Africa after a period of internal upheaval and reconstruction. Old news is new again.
- musicmaverick, on 07/18/2008, -6/+22hopefully it can only be good for africa in the long run? chinese immigrants will inevitably stay and aid in the development of the continent, as they have done in other parts of the world.
- Brad324, on 07/18/2008, -1/+21but if the chinese capture both Asia and Africa, they'll collect an extra 5 armies per turn!
- simplistics06, on 07/18/2008, -5/+1>aid in the development of the continent
>aid in the development
>aid - whorunbartertwn, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Especially if we can keep David Carradine in good enough shape to protect their rights.
- manoftruths, on 07/18/2008, -14/+36Africans will end up like native Australians and American Indians. They will die out gradually from AIDS, malaria and other diseases. Internal wars and genocide will take its toll. A few will survive in the deep jungle and in the Chinese slums.
They will even have the right to vote but will be so outnumbered that it will not matter.
The first nail in the coffin was the division of Africa into small nations. None can be strong enough to defend itself. Africans cannot see beyond their domestic strife and think as a collective. They sell their precious resources for food instead of investing in agricultural and industrial projects to feed and sustain themselves. It will be too late when they find out that “trading with the natives” is not all that it seems. Can’t they learn from history?
I cry for Africa.- bjornski, on 07/18/2008, -9/+4They were broken into itty-bitty regions, who all have their "state's rights".
Just like the Paul voters want to do here.
Makes you REAL weak.- masterm1nd, on 07/19/2008, -1/+3Leaving more things up to particular state != dividing up into small weak nations
- bjornski, on 07/19/2008, -2/+1Go ahead, shrink your government to fit in your bath-tub.
Just don't be surprised when someone else comes along to drown it.
Oh wait, I know, your county government will be able to hold off the Enron type ***** we're having shoved at us. - masterm1nd, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1I don't know where you're going with that but I would guess government is somewhere near the root of that problem.
- EthylAdded, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5What's wrong with education, training and becoming part of a growing economy?
Extinction of a large amount of culture, yes, I know. - tehxen3, on 07/18/2008, -2/+3What?
- toowired77, on 07/18/2008, -3/+7Sounds like one of your wet dreams. Africans have been around since the beginning of humanity. We will always be around. Your generalizations show that you know nothing about the diversity of the African continent. You speak of a billion people like its a guy you once met. Who are you to tell us how Africans think?
- unyuzyall, on 07/19/2008, -2/+6OMG. "I cry for Africa"?
- Midorikatana, on 07/19/2008, -2/+2"Can’t they learn from history? " It's funny how you say that considering know one on Earth learns from their history if we did there wouldn't be any wars.
- unitethenations, on 07/19/2008, -3/+7I honestly think that you don't need to be crying for people like me, considering that I'm getting an education at one of the best universities in the world, and like some of the second generation children I know, I intend on returning to the country of my parents with my degree in hand in order to improve it.
- bjornski, on 07/18/2008, -9/+4They were broken into itty-bitty regions, who all have their "state's rights".
- bluenash, on 07/18/2008, -4/+20There goes the neighborhood.
- leerayIG88, on 07/18/2008, -1/+1raise the house!!
- morningmatters, on 07/18/2008, -5/+14According to PEW research China is among the most favorable countries in African nations. Right now most Chinese in Africa are migrant workers. On the long run I can see ethnic tensions as the Chinese community there becomes more affluent.
I dugg the article but there is something annoying about the subtle racist attitudes of britian papers, especially news dealing with its former colonies.- budgeysmuggler, on 07/18/2008, -7/+5'I dugg the article but there is something annoying about the subtle racist attitudes of britian papers, especially news dealing with its former colonies.'
That maybe the case but balance that out with China's notoriously racist attitudes and the article becomes more balanced. To be honest China's leaders have similar master race beliefs to what nazi Germany had back in the day.- ZeeZee2k, on 07/18/2008, -4/+3Oh really? Stop pulling words out of your ass.
- budgeysmuggler, on 07/19/2008, -5/+3Pull your head out of yours.
- vibrate, on 07/18/2008, -1/+7The Daily Mail is not an accurate representation of 'britain' papers at all.
I'm digging you down for spouting silliness.- PSotter, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3Dugg for checking the source. Silliness, indeed.
- mizznike, on 07/19/2008, -2/+9I agree that there are definitely racist undertones to this article. Especially this line:
"Despite Britain's commendable colonial legacy of a network of roads, railways and schools, the British are now being shunned. "
Right, WE did a good job colonizing Africa, but we can't trust the Chinese to do the same. We're good colonizers. The West is always in the "right", until it figures out it's wrong, and then it turns around and condemns everyone else.
- budgeysmuggler, on 07/18/2008, -7/+5'I dugg the article but there is something annoying about the subtle racist attitudes of britian papers, especially news dealing with its former colonies.'
- s0m31john, on 07/18/2008, -10/+18Yellow man's burden.
- picbi, on 07/19/2008, -4/+4Im not chinese or anything but I dont understand how chinese people are described as being Yellow
Chinese people are whiter than some europeans. - Psi57, on 07/19/2008, -5/+3Its not like the Africans are doing anything worthwhile... they mostly rape each other to death while sad African music plays in the background:
"unka donka daaaaaaay [rape rape rape kill]"
- picbi, on 07/19/2008, -4/+4Im not chinese or anything but I dont understand how chinese people are described as being Yellow
- thegreenspanput, on 07/18/2008, -7/+1you'd have to drag me...
- Hetman, on 07/18/2008, -4/+46Poor Africa. No one cares about your people. They just want your land and resources.
- ciaran036, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3Always has been like that - and always will be.
Remember MakePovertyHistory? Remember when Britain was engulfed with MakePovertyHistory? But the G8 guys did ***** all about it? I don't think they properly wiped out third world debt!
We need to support organisations like Trocaire.
- ciaran036, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3Always has been like that - and always will be.
- chicofaraby, on 07/18/2008, -13/+19The British and Americans need to STFU about Chinese weapons sales. They can complain when their troops aren't based in other countries and their companies aren't peddling death in Africa and Asia.
As for the Chinese "take over..." well, God Bless the Drama Queen.- Naieve, on 07/18/2008, -1/+4I think the biggest problem we have with them going there chico is that the are supporting genocidal mass murderers with weapons.
But hey, I guess in your book if someone else did it, then everyone can.
Two wrongs make an epic failure.
- Naieve, on 07/18/2008, -1/+4I think the biggest problem we have with them going there chico is that the are supporting genocidal mass murderers with weapons.
- mleaman, on 07/18/2008, -1/+13Worked for the British! Colonials ho!
- Hangly, on 07/19/2008, -2/+3Worked for the Africans too. They've been colonizing the US for 500 years. I hear they've even taken over the capitol.
Too soon?
- Hangly, on 07/19/2008, -2/+3Worked for the Africans too. They've been colonizing the US for 500 years. I hear they've even taken over the capitol.
- dwninjungleland, on 07/18/2008, -12/+6OOOh dailymail. You guys are so brave. THE REDS ARE COMING!!!! WE SHOULD ALL BE SCARED.
where's my bunker?
I expected better from you, MrBabyMan.- bjornski, on 07/18/2008, -1/+8It's no more crazy than "The Muslims are coming! The Muslims are coming!"
- dkapuchino, on 07/18/2008, -4/+1But the muslims are coming...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84 ...
- dkapuchino, on 07/18/2008, -4/+1But the muslims are coming...
- bjornski, on 07/18/2008, -1/+8It's no more crazy than "The Muslims are coming! The Muslims are coming!"
- sheasie, on 07/18/2008, -5/+29We (the West) had our chance... for years... and all we did was ***** Africa over even harder than they were ***** over to begin.
- Regbooker, on 07/18/2008, -13/+34If Africans thought White colonials were harsh... just wait until the Chinese have full control of the continent.
(Last year I've spent 7 months in Beijing auditing the upgrade of a power plant. I know very well about what I'm talking about)- Hangly, on 07/19/2008, -7/+13I've lived in Beijing since 1992 and you are full of *****.
- Regbooker, on 07/19/2008, -6/+6Oh yes? Well, read this Telegraph's article about the condition of African miners under Chinese employers:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1541566/ ...
Then read this article about the slave-like working conditions at the iPod's factory in China (and that place is heaven compared to the sweatshops and feudal style-like farm works)
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/200606 ...
So, I'm full of ***** ? or you are a blind sheep ? - brotherfranciz, on 07/19/2008, -3/+6I don't see how you working in China (only in Beijing) for 7 months is proof that you know what you are talking about. For example, with those articles you linked: did you work in those Chinese mines? Did you work in those Chinese iPod factories? Did you live through the African colonial period or are a historian of that period?
I lived in Hong Kong for half my life and even I can't claim to know what China is really like.
For starters, you need to have lived in more than ONE city... and for more than SEVEN months.
- Regbooker, on 07/19/2008, -6/+6Oh yes? Well, read this Telegraph's article about the condition of African miners under Chinese employers:
- dengzhi, on 07/19/2008, -4/+5just because you've lived in China doesn't mean *****.
- CHANNELOCK, on 07/19/2008, -0/+0Do they abuse the workers and construct sloppy shoddy ***** ?
- Hangly, on 07/19/2008, -7/+13I've lived in Beijing since 1992 and you are full of *****.
- Psythik, on 07/18/2008, -6/+18At first glance, I somehow managed to read the title as: "How MrBabyMan's taking over Digg, and why we should be worried".
Hmm...- Pinkertinkle, on 07/18/2008, -2/+6More MrBabyMan spam indeed.
- gr00vy, on 07/18/2008, -10/+7Why should the west be worried? I was promised this in the title. I still can't figure it out.
A prosperous world is to the West's benefit. How we get there is meaningless. - Jauladeoro, on 08/27/2008, -5/+10Even though this is dailymail I dugg it because it's the first time I've seen mention of this outside of a book I just read and it's important. I just finished reading a book called "The Coming China Wars" by Peter Navarro and it talked in part about this. Nearly every page of this book had shocking information about China's dealings around the world. Really scary stuff.
- ciaran036, on 07/19/2008, -3/+4The coming wars with China that are being manipulated by your own government to start a third world war which will reduce the world population massively. And allow our governments to place us under a big brother police state.
- Pinkertinkle, on 07/18/2008, -10/+18Yes more yellow fear mongering please! Pretty sure it's Europe that has a rich history of taking over places, especially in Africa. Something about the Heart of Darkness.
- bwonder, on 07/18/2008, -6/+4Of course we should be worried. Could you imagine an entire country full of Tiger Woods'? Forget watching Golf again.
- algaeturd, on 07/18/2008, -8/+5China already owns us so who cares if they get Africa? We've basically handed the U.S. to them on a platter. If you control business, you CONTROL THE NATION.
It's not tough to figure out. Shame Bush & Co. couldn't.- Iztikeit, on 07/18/2008, -2/+1China is doing a bad job of owning us, just like the Japanese after WWII!.
The guy above me talking about the British bankers is spot on. The world would be so much better off without bankers. - flogistan, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Here's what I tried to post. I was the guy above.
Or at least the British bankers that set up shop in Hong Kong 150 years ago and are financing our debt own us. That's who your TV calls "china"
- Iztikeit, on 07/18/2008, -2/+1China is doing a bad job of owning us, just like the Japanese after WWII!.
- magic6435, on 07/18/2008, -8/+4and why should we be worried??
- selmer, on 07/18/2008, -1/+10Interesting article, but I am not really following most of these comments.
- poidh, on 07/18/2008, -3/+4It's because most of the comments so far are fruity and nutty. You'd have to be a very angry young person to appreciate them all.
- bmcnally, on 07/18/2008, -3/+8Ummm . . . Africa has one of the highest birthrates in the world. How will this solve a chronic overpopulation problem?
- Iztikeit, on 07/18/2008, -3/+5There is no solution to overpopulation at this point in human history, barring nuclear war. The pressure of 6 billion modern people on the planet is already too much to sustain efficiently.
- dromni, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1Africa has a high birth rate but has also a high death rate, IIRC. Anyway, the continent is in fact underpopulated - there is so much famine in there just because of chronic political and economic problems, and not due to scarcity of resources.
- binaryloop, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1You missed the point. It wasn't about solving Africa's overpopulation problem... it was about solving China's overpopulation problem. The Chinese plan to ship out 300,000,000 people to Africa to lighten the load a bit. They figure the African population problem will work itself out with all the AK-47's, bullets, starvation, and AIDS.
- leerayIG88, on 07/18/2008, -7/+6Mann...why does China have to hate the US? :( Can't we all just get along?
- LUElinks, on 07/18/2008, -1/+2See above comments.
- Iztikeit, on 07/18/2008, -2/+3China and the United States are both institutions which want to perpetuate themselves without concern for the people who actually compromise the institutions.
Ideas try to perpetuate themselves, some are more successful than others, and they are always competing. This is why China hates the U.S. and vice versa. - ciaran036, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2Why CAN'T we just get along? We don't need your excuses luelinks and ltikeit.
- mozert, on 07/19/2008, -1/+2Why can't the US be self-critical from time to time?
- desertDenizen, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2The US, China, and France are the only countries in the world that believe they are the center of the universe. The planet is too small for such massive cultural egos.
But I digress; the real reason is that there is a race afoot to shore up scare resources in a world increasingly subject to population pressures. Those sci-fi novels you read as a kid are starting to come true.
- DiggGeek24, on 07/18/2008, -9/+10China will rape Africa of every resource that has never been tapped because of war and they will have millions of cheap slave labor we buy our cheap ***** from China, China will buy its cheap ***** from Africa
- kukiweed, on 07/18/2008, -1/+6You underestimate the Africans. They have a a strong sense of pride, are highly skilled in guerilla warfare and quick to riot. If the chinese really want to enslave them, they chose the wrong continent.
- DiggGeek24, on 07/18/2008, -4/+2China is good at crushing uprisings the Africans kill 1 Chinese soldier they will kill 10k Africans they find 1 gun in a village they will burn it to the ground.
- kukiweed, on 07/19/2008, -0/+4@digggeek: maybe in some smaller/weaker countries that would be possible, but what about places like Nigeria and Ethiopia? Those are poor nations, but they have powerful and disciplined armies, are highly nationalistic and even the civilian population has lots of guns. If the chinese would start acting like masters over there, the backlash would get real bloody real fast.
- kukiweed, on 07/18/2008, -1/+6You underestimate the Africans. They have a a strong sense of pride, are highly skilled in guerilla warfare and quick to riot. If the chinese really want to enslave them, they chose the wrong continent.
- emrldwpn, on 07/18/2008, -11/+18I like how Britain's colonial legacy is "commendable", but when China builds railroads, it's "taking over"... :rollseyes:
- poidh, on 07/18/2008, -2/+6There are some fruity comments in this thread, and also some nutty ones.
I want to see some combined fruity and nutty replies. Come on Diggers, let's see who can pretend to be the most "progressive".
It's threads like this one which unwittingly provide the entertainment. - flogistan, on 07/18/2008, -8/+9So let me get this straight, England is pissed because China has taken over their racial slave labor camps in africa from when the empire broke up, and wants the united states to challenge the chinese in africa so the United States can have imperial slave colonies in africa instead of the chinese? Wonder why the daily mail cares? Maybe it's banking interests in england. Jungle wars are always the most fun. Did you really think this military build up was about those buildings in New York?
- k2jones, on 07/19/2008, -2/+3The brits always cry to the american's when their theivery plans go bad, just recall they convinced the CIA to overthrow Iran's democracy to secure their oil
- LilFotherMucker, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3Fast Company did a special report on this from a bunch of African countries a few month ago
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/126/special-re ... - vvortex3, on 07/18/2008, -3/+4This article seems like it was written by outsourced Chinese labor.
- WatchDragon, on 07/18/2008, -6/+5Em just waiting for mother nature to say "too many people" *mass death*
- chr0nic21, on 07/18/2008, -13/+4***** Chinese people don't know how to usse a ***** condom......you guys populate a lot faster than mexicans and rabbits combined
- Pinkertinkle, on 07/18/2008, -0/+6I think they have some sorta One Child Policy?
- tehxen3, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3lol
- gaoshan, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Yeah! You tell 'em chr0nic21. We need to outbreed them... quick, to the nearest trashy trailor park... we need to start spreading seed!!
- gmeluski, on 07/18/2008, -7/+7How can anyone of the English speaking people on this board condemn another country for imperialistic overtures? I'm not going to deny my own hypocrisy, but I keep it to the small ***** folks.
- darylkff, on 07/18/2008, -3/+10I'm just looking forward to all the hot Sino-African women who be on the planet after a generation of intermarriage.
The Chinese who immigrated to Jamaica and have been mixing, and providing us with beautiful (albeit, quite nutty), but gorgeous specimens like Naomi Campbell. - sparql, on 07/18/2008, -6/+3I am burying this article simply because it is going out of it's way to link evolution to eugenics.
- flogistan, on 07/19/2008, -2/+1You know what? They're so clever that they just work it in there... but you're right. I don't really even know what they're trying to do with this recurrent false association, but you're right. They plant it in multiple places and make it seem that through multiple attestation like Ben Stein, and various neocons that it makes sense. Yet it doesn't. What are they trying to achieve by having multiple people pretend to believe this association? It would appear that they want more stupid people to believe this... but why? What are they doing with it? I can't figure it out. Good eye though.
- CanIGetAWitness, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3Does anyone else play the board game RISK?
- dejay181, on 07/18/2008, -3/+2hahahahahahahahahaha.....what a waste of freakin electronic paper. i hope you all dont fall such alarmist BS!! can i be a journalist too?!? pretty please?!? ...he prolly writes the same thing about mexicans in america
- gemlarin, on 07/18/2008, -2/+5Eastasia and Eurasia have always been at war over Africa. Or was it Eastasia and Eurasia have always been at war with Oceania. Oh, I can never remember these things.
- snareguy17, on 07/18/2008, -2/+4Well, there's a China Town in Los Angeles...Las Vegas...might as well have a couple in Africa too.
- MikeFallopian, on 07/18/2008, -2/+6It's not only a human migration that should have us worried. China is pumping trillions of dollars into Africa in the form of investments and development projects, even in war-torn areas like Somalia. When those areas recover and restart their exports of natural resources, the country to which they will have friendly ties will be China, to the great benefit of the Chinese. It's a brilliant plan that will reap huge financial rewards for China in the coming century. This is one area where China's central planning government is a big advantage: instead of planning a couple months or a couple years ahead, they plan on the scale of decades. We need to educate ourselves and elect leaders that are similarly willing to make long-term investments.
- dengzhi, on 07/19/2008, -1/+5chinese are smart
- binaryloop, on 07/19/2008, -1/+2"It's a brilliant plan that will reap huge financial rewards for China in the coming century."
Uh huh. The French, English, Germans, and Americans (and others) tried it for centuries and gave it up as a futile effort. While these countries did make considerable profit, their ventures ultimately failed. Africa is an unruly, difficult and messed up place. What works in the Western (or Eastern) world won't necessarily work in Africa. You can't just bring your foreign ideals and impart them on the locals. Everyone thinks that Africa is a rich, and easy target. But you could spend billions of dollars and hundreds of years there working diligently only to watch it all go down the drain. Africa is not as easy to colonize as people think it is. The Chinese should learn from the past and avoid making the same mistakes we did. Throwing good money after bad isn't going to help.- MikeFallopian, on 07/19/2008, -1/+3There is a staggeringly huge difference between colonialism and investing in foreign infrastructure and enterprise, at the government level.
- PSotter, on 07/18/2008, -3/+13Ah, The Daily Mail. That bastion of journalistic integrity. I read it for the news. Really.
- tehxen3, on 07/18/2008, -5/+5Western left-wing pussies give aid to Africa instead of doing something real to help them and benefit from it too, and that is promoting business and investment. Africa is the next China and China will profit from it now.
- toowired77, on 07/18/2008, -5/+14This article is *****. I am from Africa and I can tell you that we welcome the Chinese to our continent. The assumption of this article is that super powerful China is coming to take over poor weak Africa. The Chinese are not trying to sell their culture or claiming superiority. Both communities have much to learn from each other. We welcome you China.
- coldmilk, on 07/19/2008, -3/+6Duh ... Just wait and see ...
Trust me, we Vietnamese know a bit about our neighbor's imperialism. Or, if you want a present example, take a look at Tibet. Tibetan accepted chinese reign in history, what do they get after all?- toowired77, on 07/19/2008, -1/+1How ever evil they might be, we are choosing the lesser of two evils. I think Vietnam should also understand that Imperialism comes from the east and the west.
- dengzhi, on 07/19/2008, -1/+1they get better tourist industry! more $$
- dengzhi, on 07/19/2008, -2/+1how did u make enough money to buy a plane ticket out of africa? and where did you escape to?
- huangweiqiu, on 07/19/2008, -2/+1toowired77, Africa people are our brother-Chairman Mao . .,I am chinese.
- coldmilk, on 07/19/2008, -3/+6Duh ... Just wait and see ...
- flogistan, on 07/18/2008, -6/+4If anyone was wondering how a freshman senator with no experience whose dad was from Kenya has become the leading candidate for president... The imperial banking powers knew exactly why they wanted him elected. Obama is going to be the new face of the empire in africa. They can trust a man who's half kenyan. The British empire is coming back. They all work for the same people.
- gaoshan, on 07/18/2008, -2/+9This is getting out of hand! What does China think they are doing here... Africa is OURS to meddle with, not theirs. Stop China, Keep Africa American!!
- huangweiqiu, on 07/19/2008, -1/+1hey!! don't just open your mouth but taking action.I am chinese.
- SHUUTOBI, on 07/18/2008, -2/+9Gated Chinese compounds that don't allow native blacks or blacks in general in...
How thoughtful.- toowired77, on 07/19/2008, -4/+1Have you been to Africa? Who in their right mind would move to Africa if they were trying to stay away from blacks? What we are going to see is a lot of half Chinese people in Africa, not gated communities. Sorry to break the news to you, sub-Saharan Africa is overwhelmingly black, so its not a good place to move to if you don't like us.
- binaryloop, on 07/19/2008, -0/+3There is a lot of racial prejudice in Asia
http://www.helium.com/items/257394-racism-in-asia- Mcdz, on 07/21/2008, -0/+1To breakdown discrimination and prejudice, this move to Africa is a good thing isn't it?
- mizznike, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3We (America) need to wake up and realize how we are perceived in the global community. While the US has come a long way, it appears as the height of hypocrisy for a country built on pillaging the Native Americans, enslaving the Africans, building railroads using the Chinese, and building industries and prosperity at the expense of the environment to be running around talking down to all these other countries about human rights and global warming. Now, I know this is written by a British paper, but the British haven't shown themselves a whole lot better, and have a bit of history colonizing other peoples. China, on the other hand, has for the most part (except for Genghis Khan) kept to itself...so basically, the West's worst nightmare is that someone else become what they are?
- chesss, on 07/19/2008, -0/+2there ain't no right or wrong... its a fight!
- prol, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1"China, on the other hand, has for the most part (except for Genghis Khan) kept to itself"
What?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan - mizznike, on 07/19/2008, -1/+1Khan raped and pillaged and tried to expand beyond China's borders. For the most part, however, you don't see China trying to stick their nose into other people's politics or invade other countries. The West, meanwhile has had a history of ambition to take over other parts of the world and impose their culture and traditions and politics wherever they go. India was a British colony, they sent the exiles to Australia, took Hong Kong, not to mention all the action in Europe and Africa.
- garlicdog, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1The point may have been that Genghis Khan was Mongolian, not Chinese.
- benshelock, on 07/18/2008, -3/+2Can't we tie China down or something. They seem to be causing a lot of international problems lately.
- unyuzyall, on 07/19/2008, -2/+1Never fear, Tony Stark and his mysterious "Man of Iron" bodyguard will save us from the Mandarin and his yellow peril of EVUL!
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