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How China Plans to Steal the Future

strategypage.com — China has a plan for using industrial espionage to turn their country into the mightiest industrial and military power on the planet. For over two decades, China has been attempting to do what the Soviet Union never accomplished; steal Western technology, then use it to move ahead of the West.

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  • cageybee, on 02/18/2008, -39/+11its not just China - it is a China-Iran-Russia-Venezuela alliance
    • Husvik, on 02/18/2008, -13/+38Do you really believe the axis of evil crap? It's just propaganda for the American people to support US troops being sent where they have no business being to enforce the agenda of the elite.
      • cageybee, on 02/18/2008, -8/+23no, i believe US should recognize the big ass snow ball that's coming down on the US and instead of making enemies - US needs to make partners really fast even if it is on their terms
        • Dumbledorito, on 02/18/2008, -4/+8That'll never happen with this president. The idea of having to accomodate anyone in terms that don't involve shooting something is out of the current administration's realm of imagination.
        • PopovIsovSerov, on 02/21/2008, -0/+0while i agree its good to have friends in high places, i must remind you that thats how world wars occur...everyone makes a treaty w/ everyone else then somone gets assasinated so they declare war and then all their friends follow along in accordance w/ the treaty and b4 you know it you have every superpower that we've ever had in one giant war...except this time there will be nukes
      • Myztry, on 02/18/2008, -4/+3You can't send the troops in. Gun Powder is Chinese technology... :)
      • mcosmi, on 02/18/2008, -2/+5i don't know about the axis but i can tell you that i work for a large investment firm in manhattan and i do firewall/security work, and i can tell you that the VAST majority of probes/port scans and such, as well as denial of service attempts originate(or at least route thru ChiNA! So don't tell me those ***** arent waging war on us daily.
    • sockpuppets, on 02/18/2008, -14/+7You may destroy my way of life, sure, but my penis will still be bigger.
      • electrocuting, on 02/18/2008, -7/+1are you black? no? cuz pale white pasty genetically recessive ***** are known to be tiny. birthrate = 0, bye whitey. you have no history.
        • nicholai, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1fail?
          • csw1342, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1"Idiots Are Taking Over"

            it's not the right time to be sober
            now the idiots have taken over
            spreading like a social cancer, is there an answer?

            Mensa membership conceding
            tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding
            Watson, it's really elementary
            the industrial revolution
            has flipped the bitch on evolution
            the benevolent and wise are being thwarted, ostracized, what a bummer
            the world keeps getting dumber
            insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason

            darwin's rollin over in his coffin
            the fittest are surviving much less often
            now everything seems to be reversing, and it's worsening
            someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool
            now angry mob mentality's no longer the exception, it's the rule
            and im startin to feel a lot like charlton heston
            stranded on a primate planet
            apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground
            with generals and the armies that obeyed them
            followers following fables
            philosophies that enable them to rule without regard

            there's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated
            political scientists get the same one vote as some Arkansas inbred
            majority rule, don't work in mental institutions
            sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions

            what are we left with?
            a nation of god-fearing pregnant nationalists
            who feel it's their duty to populate the homeland
            pass on traditions
            how to get ahead religions
            And prosperity via simpleton culture

            the idiots are takin over
    • macweirdo42, on 02/18/2008, -3/+11And then they'll bring Hitler back from the dead, and then Cobra Commander will join them. And the Galactic Empire, and the Borg, and the Decepticons...

      I'm sorry, I just got a little carried away there.
    • bluezinc, on 02/18/2008, -1/+6Any other country and I'd be less scared. China is NOT the country you want as the worlds only superpower. Even if I heard Germany was rising under the leadership of a charismatic man with a funny mustache I'd be less freaked out. China kills it's own people when they try to change things, they turned the military against the democratic revolution and massacres thousands of students, workers, and activists. They went to Tibet and murdered buddhist monks for ***** sake, maybe the most harmless people in the world and they killed them off so they could plant a flag on a mountain and say it's theirs. *****' China.
    • known, on 02/18/2008, -2/+4Patriotism is Oxymoron in Globalization.
  • caponumen, on 02/18/2008, -7/+52We gave it to them in the name of greed.......
    • Lenbot, on 02/18/2008, -4/+9China didn't even have to do anything the whole thing is playing into there hands.
      • masterm1nd, on 02/18/2008, -0/+6Ironically, just this week multiple Chinese spies were busted.
      • Radian, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1Their hands. But I agree with your comment.
    • mrjhmm, on 02/18/2008, -0/+2PBS Frontline episode about China spying:

      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/spy/ ...
    • Osjpr, on 02/18/2008, -5/+1I hope they succeed. I'm ***** sick to death of hearing Americans sucking their own dicks
      • Sinnic, on 02/18/2008, -0/+2You really, really don't mean that. I promise.
    • jskistud7, on 02/18/2008, -1/+2Once they've got all the technology, they just need to dump all of their dollars onto the market, crashing our economy, and presto! new world order.
    • strangerzero, on 02/20/2008, -0/+1Yep, that's what they are doing at my job. We are losing all the US programming jobs to China. It's debatable whether or not they are even saving much money by doing it.
  • Elephant789, on 02/18/2008, -29/+10Let's hope they will use it in a more peaceful way than the Americans did.
    • MasterThief117, on 02/18/2008, -5/+3Err...
      This is China we are speaking about.
    • fuzzybeard, on 02/18/2008, -4/+2China (and it's leaders) still think they're the Middle Kingdom (i.e. Center Of The World)!

      To the PRC's efforts in espionage, I wish a hearty "Wo xi wang ni man man si, dan kuai dian xia di yu!" and "Chi shi!"
  • trickyt, on 02/18/2008, -6/+61They can take our ideas, but they can never take our FREEDOM!!

    However, we'd be willing to share it. For a price.
    • sanman, on 02/18/2008, -0/+20(changes cafeteria menu to Freedom Noodles)
  • Tangaroa, on 02/18/2008, -11/+65It worked for the US in the 1800s.
    • SemiSarcastic, on 02/18/2008, -1/+15As far back as I can remember a lot of the British inventors who helped America along during the industrial revolution came to the States at their own free will, though suffice to say that there was simply more money to made in the US.
      • Lynxpro, on 02/18/2008, -2/+4Copyright wasn't enforced in terms of British/European works here in the United States in the early days. That is probably what the OP is referring to.
        • SlimFastForYou, on 02/18/2008, -1/+2More proof that our copyright/patent/IP system is FUBAR. Innovation in this country could be a lot higher...
    • chumleyuk, on 02/18/2008, -3/+2The US have always done it quite brazenly, even with their closest allies... A good example of this is the info they received with regards to breaking the sound barrier. It was set up as an information exchange with the British - who were ahead at the time. Of course the Brits gave their info but when it came to the Yanks to share they bailed thus effectively stealing the info required to be the first to break the sound barrier. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_barrier
  • GhostyBoy, on 02/18/2008, -2/+90You want to know who wins every single war? The creditors.
    • retzed, on 02/18/2008, -15/+9Except when Chuck Norris takes out a loan.
      • michaelfitz, on 02/18/2008, -1/+18*groans*
      • lolwutpear, on 02/18/2008, -7/+2Chuck Norris doesn't take out loans. He kicks bank vaults and they spit money at him like some sort of ATM on crack.
      • bluezinc, on 02/18/2008, -1/+3Chuck Norris sucks ever since he heard Chuck Norris jokes and took them seriously. His ego is now bigger than Dane Cooks.
    • internetcoward, on 02/18/2008, -9/+2USA! USA! USA! USA! Dude we like never lose.
    • DavidtheDuke, on 02/18/2008, -4/+5That has always piqued my interest. What if America just refuses to pay? Sure, we don't get any more loans, but we also don't 'owe' them anyway. I wouldn't feel too guilty about defaulting on China, anyway, considering they're a lite version North Korea.
      • popfrogs, on 02/18/2008, -1/+8I think maybe because the Chinese collection agency is probably about 1 billion strong.
        • DavidtheDuke, on 02/18/2008, -5/+2Okay. Do they have a navy to get them here? Would the really all be armable to a professional, or even militial level that wouldn't be susceptible to modern warfare?
        • Elranzer, on 02/18/2008, -1/+3They have numbers but low strength. China has historically lost every war it has gotten itself into. Especially with the Japanese. Also, unlike Japan, their nation's total population is not their army size.
          • miborovsky, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1Um, read some books. It's a cure of ignorance.
          • doyoulikeworms, on 02/19/2008, -0/+2Too bad he's mostly right, miborovsky.
    • drunkenoaf, on 02/18/2008, -0/+2Ah, given the balance of trade deficit between the US and China... China wins?
  • MiltonWaddams, on 02/18/2008, -5/+18All your future are belong to us.
    • PopovIsovSerov, on 02/18/2008, -1/+0im sorry i dont understand chink
    • ccrt6y, on 02/19/2008, -0/+1all your future women belong to lonely Chinese men
  • Tirpack83, on 02/18/2008, -4/+21This website is kind of crazy; it's completely devoted to war. Maybe hyping up the conspiracy theory a little bit?
    • CookieTrain, on 02/18/2008, -3/+1Yeah, this is completely unsubstantiated, he is referring to no proof or actual events or recent news development. It is by definition conspoirazy theory.

      www.pinr.com

      What this page tries to do but fails horribly at.
  • bah7t4, on 02/18/2008, -5/+28When I read that article I see "steal Western Technology, then use it to move ahead.." We need to graduate more people with degrees in math and applied sciences. Use our American ingenuity and American work ethic to produce tangible high technology products instead of guilded real estate markets.
    • aussieNickuss, on 02/18/2008, -3/+11America is not the only Western country. This story applies to all of us.
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -1/+2But then you have to realize those two subjects are hard and with little carrier line expansion. You can be teachers, researchers, scientists, and loads of other boring jobs. If U.S. pay them really well with a bonus on every great idea or invention or research, then more people might consider. But all the governors think of is how to win the next election or how to get people of my party in so I can secure my position. So back to the principal problem, the government. Beisdes that, I don't think by sitting in front of your computer and chad would help much.
      • bah7t4, on 02/18/2008, -2/+1Anti-big government! Let the companies make the decisions for themselves. Let them decide how to use their engineers, scientist, and researchers not the government! Sitting in front of my computer won't help much? I get a kick out of writing on Digg forums, but I am a senior mechanical engineering student.
    • CookieTrain, on 02/18/2008, -2/+3We allso need to graduate more journalists it seems.






      (writing sensationalist rumor filled garbage does not entitele you to style your self a journalist)
  • Bviper, on 02/18/2008, -7/+13Yeah and if we went to war with them, their source of technological ideas would run dry. Not only would they no longer be able to steal from us all the their truly smart citizens would stay over here because they realize what their government truly is.
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -0/+4To be honest, I highly doubt that if that would happen.
      • PopovIsovSerov, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0y? anyone in their right mind would do w/e they could to stay away from a communist country...if they stayed in america during the duration of the war, they could move back to china after we leveld it and then set it back up with a democracy....and then they would have their technology and economy but no army....and w/out an army they could spend their money on trying to buy all their companies that we own back....
    • Lynxpro, on 02/18/2008, -0/+2Midnight Oil had a song on the subject... "My Country Right or Wrong".
  • retzed, on 02/18/2008, -4/+10Should I be paranoid around Chinese?
    • ximiei, on 02/18/2008, -0/+16Wait till after Beijing 2008 Games then watch for massive unemployment in China.
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0Make up your own mind, we don't teach you your living style, that's your job.
    • CrazedLeper, on 02/18/2008, -1/+2Only if you're not good at math.
    • PimpinOnWelfare, on 02/18/2008, -2/+2"Me no love you long time"
  • highPhone, on 02/18/2008, -7/+42This is so poorly written and cites exactly zero sources, don't bother reading it.

    and ASP is dead, when will they ever learn?
    • intellimouse, on 02/18/2008, -3/+3ASP (.Net) is dead? Pfffffffft. Whatever. Try leaving your parents' basement sometime.
    • CookieTrain, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1So poorly in fact, that the the irony of the title "intelligence" is the best part of the whole article.
  • MasterThief117, on 02/18/2008, -12/+53They are not stealing it. It is being handed to them. By everyone, especially the US who is borrowing so much money from them, they practically own us. Actually, they do own us.

    To sum it all up, the US will collapse in a matter of years and China will take over. So much for being the great nation we were before. We will fall. Just like Rome.
    • FireAtWill, on 02/18/2008, -4/+37Except Rome didn't have Nukes. Sweet, delicious, nuclearific Nukes.
    • SemiSarcastic, on 02/18/2008, -0/+7Well the only place you go after hitting rock bottom is up, or would you prefer we stay there?
      • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -1/+3Well, Rome never got up.
        • Lynxpro, on 02/18/2008, -0/+3Uhm, the Eastern Roman Empire survived until almost 1500 AD. You speak of the Western Roman Empire, and some would consider the European Union an attempt to restore the Roman Empire at least as an idea.
          • bluezinc, on 02/19/2008, -0/+1Nobody calls it the Eastern Roman Empire, we call it the Byzantine Empire even though it was started by the WRE leadership when they saw the Christians were taking over everything and butt-***** it.
        • bluezinc, on 02/18/2008, -0/+4They eventually got mopeds and they seem pretty satisfied with that.
    • richporter, on 02/18/2008, -1/+14Don't be such a doom sayer. Every empire falls and in most cases the country remains, no longer in the position of power it once was in of course. Being a great nation doesn't imply being the worlds only super power.
    • onetimer, on 02/18/2008, -4/+20Yes, the US is suddenly going to collapse in a few years even though we're nowhere near as unstable as we have been throughout the history of our country. And even if we DID collapse, it's not like China, which is completely tied in to our economy, would collapse either...
      • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -5/+5That's very much true. U.S. collapse, the world would follow. We buy so many of their stuff.
      • netant, on 02/18/2008, -2/+1China would have no reason to experience collapse, if it developed an internal economy before the US collapsed. Right now, it tends to screw over the internal population, in terms of goods and wealth, and plows most of the proceeds into further industrial development. Even if the US collapses, the Chinese are only going to see unemployment and lack of GNP, but the standard of living will suck as always.
    • fef560, on 02/18/2008, -0/+7Every European nation/state/area has had its turn in the spotlight and every single one of them got out of the way eventually. While its nice to think the US will be the superpower forever, its just not going to happen. It'll still be pretty powerful though, just look at Germany or Great Britain.
    • PopovIsovSerov, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0you all look at this wrong....the difference between the US and rome, persia, great brittan, germany ect ect is that we dont go conquering and exponentially expanding....the romans flourished untill the empire got too big to controll...its like a cell, when it gets too big it gets inefficiant, thats why they split (learnt that in bio 1 this week...proud of myself) they could have controlled it if every ruler was like Augustus or Julius but the problem was they would get bad leaders and it weakend them... great brittan expanded and expanded and counquerd untill it over-extended itself and broke apart....america doesnt conquer...we defeat and return....once we have won a war, we pick the enemy back up, brush them off, and set them up so that they will become better (hopefully) then they were b4 the war...and because of this we wont have the same problems as rome and great brittan...
      • jsavage58, on 02/19/2008, -0/+0No Conquering? Last time I checked, we have this fancy new colony over there in the mideast. I think it's called Iraq.. ever heard of it?
        • PopovIsovSerov, on 02/21/2008, -0/+0we have never remained in a country that we conquered...we have left military bases there yes but our government is not in controll of it...the iraq war isnt over yet, and they arent stable enough to controll themselves...and the way it looks it may never be stable enough..so yes we may have a new colony on our hands if they cant control themselves....but we dont get in a war just for land and expansion...that was my point
  • SquareEnix, on 02/18/2008, -5/+7"How China Plans to Steal the Future" - overwhelm us with product clones and poor quality consumer electronics!!!1
  • soupir, on 02/18/2008, -7/+10I believe that children are the future. Please don't steal our children, China.
    • an0nym0uz, on 02/18/2008, -2/+1lamer
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -2/+0I have to give you some credit. Children are the future of U.S. But this generation isn't all that trustworthy. Besides, I highly doubt that with China needs more of any human being.
  • doshindude, on 02/18/2008, -5/+21they'll steal western technology, then pirate it and make a bunch of cheap knockoffs.
    • KingGorilla, on 02/18/2008, -1/+5you mean take the things they already make and make a cheaper version?
  • ximiei, on 02/18/2008, -6/+5It is the Year of The Rat and New Year Festivities are still being celebrated in The East: The rules of the game plan have changed as China modernizes after domination and repression from the West.

    People should learn to be more considerate as they witness new history being created on the global arena.
    • mdcarso, on 02/18/2008, -1/+2Ha ha - what a load of chink ***** propaganda!
  • macweirdo42, on 02/18/2008, -0/+13I've been very tolerant with them... But when they start messing with my hover car, I have to draw the line!
  • SemiSarcastic, on 02/18/2008, -2/+4Well you have to wonder what's left to keep them gong after they steal everything else of use.
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -2/+1They can teach their own kids. Now their technology is quite strong, too. As far as I know, they have movies duplicated before we even watch in U.S.
    • PopovIsovSerov, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0that is a good point...once they have equaled out technology, then what?....are they going to declare war?...i hope they do....they have massive amounts of ppl...and we have weapons of mass distruction...its like we're made for each other
  • stormstatic, on 02/18/2008, -1/+2The Great Leap Forward - part II?
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1Except for this time it might not end so well.
  • soulonice, on 02/18/2008, -3/+6Oh no, Yellow Peril!
  • tekmonkey, on 02/18/2008, -2/+8They already stole 400,000 unlocked iPhones! What's next?!
    • an0nym0uz, on 02/18/2008, -7/+1your an idiot do the world a favor and jump in front of a truck
    • antonycao, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0Why are you so upset? Cuz you didn't get one?
  • lowfalls, on 02/18/2008, -6/+2Too late China! I've already (somehow) patented the words "The Future"... lower case spelling is still up for grabs though.
  • pixelbender, on 02/18/2008, -8/+5Article made sense to me! ;)
  • dimplemonkey, on 02/18/2008, -4/+5so.... tell me something I don't know! You've got to be living under a rock all these decades if you didn't see this coming.
  • loca07, on 02/18/2008, -2/+4Pic, or it won't happen.
  • aussieNickuss, on 02/18/2008, -1/+11It's not hard for them to steal western technology as most of it is already manufactured in China.
  • ericdano, on 02/18/2008, -4/+3Steal? Oh, we've seen how that works with Microsoft and Apple. Yeah......good luck with that China. All your product knockoffs that aren't up to par......if it works for you, go for it.
  • JavertHolmes, on 02/18/2008, -0/+10It's hard to take an article seriously when right beside it is a graphic saying "Discover what martial artists and the army don't want you to know. FEAR NO MAN [in big red letters]."

    It'd be like the New York Times writing an expose piece with a penis enlargement ad beside it.
  • reselltalk, on 02/18/2008, -13/+0www.reselltalk.com

    the newest and best way to make money on the secondary market from the comfort of your own home.
  • westvaco, on 02/18/2008, -10/+5What a outdated article. Today in many feilds China has already surpassed the United States a long time ago. For example the technology that makes glass screen cockpits possible China is a world leader in the design and manufactor of such things. The other example is multispectrum missle guidance systems China is now the world's leader in such devices. A multispectrum guidance system allows a missle to lock on a target with more than one method for example it could lock on it by it's magnetic, visual, infrared and heat signitures making any countermeasures extremenly unlikely to be effective.
    • connieLingus, on 02/18/2008, -1/+4yeah, but we got friggin sharks with lasers....LASERS!!
      • westvaco, on 02/18/2008, -2/+4Last year during a US Navy wargame in the Pacfic TWO Chineese subs evade every single defensive layer and surface almost next to a US aircraft carrier while the task force was at battle stations.
        • Railz, on 02/18/2008, -0/+7It was one sub iirc. The same article ran twice. If you want to say twice, you might mean the sub from around the 97 wargame around Taiwan.

          Also it was around 6 Miles out from the last ship, which isn't even in torpedo range.

          All China managed to do then was to try and pound their chest against America. They had no reason to surface the sub, other then to show off (which they probably weren't - they were most likely detected but nothing could be erratically done for fear of actually harming the sub/relations) Why piss off the the largest Navy in the world is beyond me. There is no argument against China's lack of a blue water Navy, so for them to try and spin this just didn't make sense.

          If you look into it, it was
          1) A Nato officer; no USAN offical would report it
          2) This is done often to try and make congress give more money to one branch of the armed forces over another branch (happened with the F-22)
    • JohnnyRC36, on 02/18/2008, -2/+5China still generally leads only in the manufacture of goods, including weapons. Design of most everything is still copied from the US (aircraft engines, ship weapons control systems for example). There have been pretty high profile cases of theft of these designs recently, and china is still just copying for the most part. They do lead the world in slave labor, allowing them to crank this stuff out in quantity, though.
      • antonycao, on 02/18/2008, -1/+0many countried started like this... US. Japan...
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1I have to agree, it's not all that easy stealing technology. You need at least the technology to steal them. Besides, China has more people more motivated than us.
  • connieLingus, on 02/18/2008, -1/+2maybe we can just trade them the future for some fortune cookies
    • an0nym0uz, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1can i trade some fortune cookies for your mom? seems like a fair trade
  • kenwestin, on 02/18/2008, -0/+28Wow, China's evil master plan is to educate their youth. How can we ever compete? Maybe focus on educating our own youth?
    • KingGorilla, on 02/18/2008, -0/+8we're not miracle workers!
      • PopovIsovSerov, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0the problem is not educating our youth...but getting our youth to learn...the material is there...but its cool to slack off and sleep through calculus.....its cool to go out on friday night and get baked and wasted.....the youth doesnt care...and it seems to me that the older generations and the government doesnt care that we dont care....
    • Mist0r_Wiggles, on 02/18/2008, -1/+4Wats this edumacation you are blahing about?
    • netant, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1Its a matter of priorities. We will always fall behind the "Godless" Chinese in education as long as we cannot permit scientific knowledge to contradict religious dogma.
      • PopovIsovSerov, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0thank you ive said this my entire short 15 yr life....
  • regicide, on 02/18/2008, -4/+1This is also a good read: http://digg.com/world_news/How_China_Steals_U_S_Mi ...
    • an0nym0uz, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1conspiracy theorist propagandist trash
    • regicide, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1yah... Popular Mechanics = conspiracy theorist propagandist trash
      Why don't you try and read it before you post.
  • getsivakumar, on 02/18/2008, -1/+3This is the most un substantiated article i have ever read. please give a more cogent reason!!!!
  • pjr12345, on 02/18/2008, -11/+5Which is worse: The Chinese stealing our future, or the leftists stealing our past and present?
    • Railz, on 02/18/2008, -1/+4Or the Rightists screwing up our future?

      That just felt dumb typing it. How do you live everyday?
      • pjr12345, on 02/18/2008, -4/+2Happily :)
        • fef560, on 02/18/2008, -1/+2Ignorance is bliss, blah blah blah. Come on you have to try harder then that.
        • Railz, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1Ignorance would be.
        • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0Personally I think ignorance is the only key to happiness. Maybe we should all give up these stuff and be stupid and of course, happy with all the sex, sweets, food, drink, leisure time, and games.
    • fef560, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1I don't even know what that means
  • Bonz0, on 02/18/2008, -6/+7I still wonder how the Chinese see
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -0/+2Well, it's simple. We figure that making our own technology and stealing everybody elses' at the same time would be the fastest way to grow. It's easy for us to steal yours because we are all required to take English; and in U.S. only a minor minorities know how to speak Chinese.
  • Bebc, on 02/18/2008, -5/+0what a *****
  • cultist667, on 02/18/2008, -2/+13the chinese stole our economy many years ago thanks to wal*mart.
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0I don't think it's just wal mart's fault.
      • netant, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1Walmart was a big reason for it. They would push American manufacturers to move production overseas, and insist on a product price that could not be met with US manufacture. The US based companies that resisted, got knocked off Walmart's shelves and replaced with their competitors' products. Luckily, Walmart doesn't sell farm and contruction equipment.
    • doyoulikeworms, on 02/19/2008, -0/+1You mean they stole ***** manufacturing jobs? Thanks, China. You can keep 'em. Take some more while you're at it. Some insane amount of their pollution (like nearly half) comes from producing consumer goods for the *WEST*.
  • Railz, on 02/18/2008, -7/+2I'd like to see China come over here and take what is theirs. Sure their Military has the largest standing army, but how in the hell are they going to bring it here if they claimed their bonds all at once. (Which would be a silly move on their part because they know we couldn't)

    iirc America has declared bankruptcy before against countries in Europe. Problem then (happened early 70s) was uh, no country was willing to come here and take their credit by force, so their consumers kept buying goods from us.
    • waydee, on 02/18/2008, -1/+3Not so good for your reputation though is it? and if anything, the past few years have shown the entire world that the US war machine isn't as well oiled as you like to think it is - China isn't scared of you, they've very little to lose unlike the US.
      • bah7t4, on 02/18/2008, -4/+2China has a lot to lose, their economy is proped up by our appetite for cheap ass stuff.
  • Archer007, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1We're doomed. They already have the time machine that takes you forward in time 60 minutes in 60 minutes. The future is theirs.
  • Skurt, on 02/18/2008, -6/+1You could do like I did, find a nice Chinese girl and let her take over from the inside!
    • IPatrickBateman, on 02/18/2008, -2/+1Ah, she just wants your money.
      • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0Now that is mean.
        • IPatrickBateman, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1I live in China....I know from experience.
        • synyster, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1maybe you confused girl friend with prostitutes
  • Lenbot, on 02/18/2008, -0/+8Okay China Didn't Steal Anything. We gave it away by allowing corporations to put up factories there. Think about it Where were the factories during the American Civil War? Well I know that there just Toy factories most of them but still we made an unsustainable economy on the backs of foreign country's now we pay. I hope there merciful cause we sure weren't merciful to them.
  • doyoulikeworms, on 02/18/2008, -0/+241960's Japan called, they want their economic strategy back.
  • cronian, on 02/18/2008, -0/+9There are a large number of Chinese students in the hard science graduate programs in many American universities. Large corporations have outsourced manufacturing production to China, where the Chinese workers can learn everything directly from the source. If it gets patented, there are thousands of Chinese engineers and scientists pouring over US patents.

    How many technological inventions are there for the Chinese to steal? When you add reverse engineering, and if need be, corporate espionage, it doesn't seem too hard to get America's industrial secrets. However, US policy doesn't seem to care about the long-term health of the US economy. Greedy businessmen politicians have been destroying America.
    • Railz, on 02/18/2008, -1/+2My school is roughly 75% Asian (I'm not going to try and guess which countries are all from, I honestly can't tell without speaking to them) and a lot of them plannED to go home after finishing studying here if they were in buissness. What ends up happening in our engineering and medical graduate programs is they end up staying here because they are already integrated via internships (plus our tech/medical divisions generally pay far more if you're really qualified in the US) to the divisions here so it isn't as bad as you make it seem. They may be Chinese but they enjoy it here. There is some civil iffininess in China. (fun word - iffiness)

      The China economy will stagnant if they don't create a larger middle class. Granted, America's middle class is on the decline, but even our lower-middle class makes a livable amount of money (by American Standards)
      • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1Most Asians have strong nationalism. I'm Chinese. Despite the fact that I love the freedom here, if China needs my help, I would rush back in any way I could. Even if it's just to die with my fellow countrymen. It's the tradition that made us united. Despite the fact that most U.S. kids like you and me are not working hard, they all have the opinions of their own. Although this is good for the people. It's bad for the government, because everyone thinks so differently that you simply can't unite all your thoughts.

        I live in Texas and I know that when people in other countries ask a Texas born Texan where they're from. They would say that they are from Texas and not U.S.
        • Kamic, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1it depends who asks where your born. if someone in my town asks, i say the hospital, if someone in the state, i say the city, if someone asks in US i say the state, if someone ask outside the country, i say US, if someone asks on mars, i say earth...
        • Sinnic, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1For what reason? So you could be ordered to your death by an authoritarian government along with millions of your 'countrymen', who share little in common with you except your appearance; and who in normal interaction would certainly recognize you as being 'Americanized' in some way or another? Blind nationalism FTL.
  • gnothiseauton, on 02/18/2008, -1/+3I won't debate the claims of the post but simply place it in context. The following is a link to a website that quotes from chapter 8 of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SPIRI)’s 2006 Year Book:
    http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/ ...
    In 2005, world military expenditures were just over 1 trillion dollars. In 2006, the U.S. was responsible for 48% of this spending. China was responsible for between 4-5% of this amount. I think the numbers speak for themselves.
    Further, the U.S. military budget isn't getting any smaller.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_th ...
    Is espionage a concern? Sure, it represents a treat to security. On a more simple level, no one likes things stolen from them. But articles like this simply serve to further the same kind of nationalism we saw against the Japanese in the 1980's.
    • Flavor, on 02/18/2008, -0/+3The numbers for spending are accurate, but I'll guarantee you that most factories in China have been configured to be able to quickly change their production for war-time purposes. With the resources and people they have, they could gear-up for war much quicker than any other country. Why do you think they are focusing their current efforts on space, because once they have the ability to knock down our missiles - we are defenseless against their greater numbers and manufacturing capabilities - not to mention the shear number of troops they are capable of putting on the ground.
      • gnothiseauton, on 02/18/2008, -0/+2I agree. The raw manufacturing power of China looks a lot like the U.S. prior to World War II. Yes, they have the means of production and the labor. But the resources? Isn't that the problem facing the world right now? Rising commodities prices due China, India and other parts of the world coming "online." You still have to feed all those soldiers. You still need oil and steel.
        But is China our enemy? Why do I hear no one doing the same analysis of China as if they were our ally? No one says "Why with China's manpower and manufacturing capacity matched with our technology and military we could take over the world?" If you look at Chinese investment in the U.S. and U.S. investment in China, it seems like we are more like strange bed fellows than enemies.
        • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -0/+2Couldn't agree more. Resource is a huge problem, for not just China but the world. When I was in China, I heard from my family that U.S. is cool and stuff, but from here I only heard China is controlled by communism. I don't think any people in particular in China hates U.S. In U.S. it's just that blind hatred that was passed down by the government educational system towards communism.
          That's another thing, U.S. and China both brain-washes people. It's just one's through education with more access to the world, one through the traiditions with limited entrances.
      • JohnnyRC36, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1I'm looking at old numbers from 2005, but the numbers then were 1.4 million to 1.7 million active military members for the US and China, respectively. Considering the quality of training and size of the soldiers, I believe that the US still has the upper hand on the ground.
        • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -1/+0U.S. is definitely the strongest country military wise. China would have interfered with the Iraqi War if their military strength was matched by U.S. (Because everyone in China felt maddened by the act of sending troops to Iraq and pretty occupy it).
        • netant, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1You don't get it. It doesn't matter that the US has the "upper hand" in ground forces. As long as it occupies Iraq, and sends its regular army and national guard units over there every other year, for over a year, its going to burn out the military. They will cease to reenlist, potential newcomers will avoid enlisting, and they won't be in fighting shape, because they won't have the functional vehicles, weapons, and everyone will have PTSD from the extended tours.

          The Chinese, on the other hand, actually is REDUCING the numbers of active military, because they realize that well trained military units are better than millions of raw recruits. China's military has been building up a storm in the past decade, and the idiots in the US are stupidly complacent pretending we're still in 1998. Plus, China has that female deficit, that lends itself to having millions of male soldiers who probably won't be able to setup a family in their lifetime. The Chinese will be on the move in the next couple of decades, and the US will be too BANKRUPT to stop it.
      • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -1/+0Other than the space thing, I don't think the biggest ground troops would do much. Unless U.S. is stupid enough to let Chinese troops onto the American mainland.
    • nastronomical, on 02/18/2008, -3/+1Whats wrong with nationalism ?
      • gnothiseauton, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1Did I make a categorical statement against nationalism? Nationalism as a love and devotion to ones country can only be admired. But there is a KIND of nationalism which prevents us from knowing ourselves and makes us look down on others. The best kind of nationalism would want all nations to be strong like a good athlete wants good teammates as well as competitors. The worst kind of nationalism simply tries to make sure we are the best at all costs.
        • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1Even if it is obtained by tricking our own people.
      • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1Nationalism is the easiest topic to manipulate upon.
  • Flavor, on 02/18/2008, -2/+4Who was the first President to open relations with China despite their awful human rights record? It wasn't Clinton. He didn't help, but he didn't start the cycle.

    Opening the door to China, overlooking our long-standing policy of not dealing with violators of human rights - for a profit... it is the single largest threat to US national security.

    Teach your kids to speak mandarin, they'll need it in the future.
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -2/+1Don't have to look down so much on the future. U.S. is still the world's greatest importer. It falls, the world will shake. I doubt if any country can do anything with such a huge impact on their exportation, especially China.
      • netant, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1Stop being a Chinese fifth columnist.

        If China started to get off its ass with increasing its internal economy, they won't NEED the US to buy its crap. The US can't maintain its levels of importation. No one gives away stuff to someone who is BROKE.
  • masterwalls69, on 02/18/2008, -5/+5200 MILLION MAN ARMY....the best American technology money can buy. This might become a PROBLEM in the near future. Just goes to show America is being SOLD out by our greedy corporations and politicians. America needs to wake up.. Freedom isn't a gift from God. Its a constant battle to keep it. The Next Revolution is NOW. Join us. Before its too late.

    • nastronomical, on 02/18/2008, -3/+4ur kidding right? Yeah 200 million army of that 2 million are actually combat ready! The chinese cannot fight an offensive war with America heck even with Japan.
      • Railz, on 02/18/2008, -2/+3Going to have to agree. Not because of the Combat Ready part (thats not my area of expertise). Logistically speaking, their army, while huge, just can't reach the American mainland. They don't have the Navy or Air force to even attempt invading us.
      • an0nym0uz, on 02/18/2008, -2/+2japan? are you talking about WWII? well its hard to fight an invading army while in the middle of a civil war, you dumbass.
        • Railz, on 02/18/2008, -2/+2Whose in the middle of a Civil War?
        • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1I don't get what you are saying, too. And I don't see a need to be offensive. We are just discussing about this topic here.
        • SantafromNorth, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1swmh: China was in the middle of a civil war when it was invaded by Japan in WWII. The Chinese took a break from their civil war to attempt to repel the invaders. That situation made China look much weaker than it actually was due to the tensions and rivalries in the Chinese war effort plus the lack of materiels due to them being expended in the Civil War. Think of it hypotheticaly in terms of if Britain had decided to wait until height of Union losses in the Civil War to wage an invasion of the US North. Would the Confederacy have helped their Civil War enemy in the North immediately, or would they have waited until the Biritsh army landed in the South before helping to repel the invaders? If the Confederacy did delay in helping the North, would that have looked similar to the Japan/China theatre in WWII?
          • netant, on 02/18/2008, -0/+2The Confederacy would have sat on its ass, cheering the British invaders onward. They were begging the European powers to intercede on their behalf. No European nation was going to get involved, because all the military and all the markets were in the North.
          • SantafromNorth, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1netant: You are correct. Therefore you must see the relevance of my hypothetical situation and what happened to China during its civil war when Japan invaded during WWII.
    • swmh283, on 02/18/2008, -1/+1I don't think the U.S. should still focus anything on the military. Haven't you realize that we are in WWIII right now. It's an industrialization war. The fastest to grow wins. U.S. needs to find a better education system. Not let sex and alcohol and sweets blind her next generation, aka. the future of this country.
      • netant, on 02/18/2008, -0/+3Ridiculous. You're thinking like a Chinese peasant eating up the national propaganda.

        The struggle between all nations is about influence. The ability to get their way, and exploit the weaker. The US, until a decade ago, was the richest and the most militarily powerful. But the US still could not stand up against the world combined against it, nor does it benefit by invading at will. The US was on top, and what they should have been doing is keeping its top dog status by using its influence to manage matters.

        Instead, the US elected George W Bush, and his idea for policy was to invade a Middle East nation to "secure" oil in the region. Everyone else in the world, particularly China, is more concerned about enhancing its economic power. China will accomplish that when it can manufacture to the par of the rest of the world, AND MODERNIZE to the point that it can match the US in technological capability. At that point, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for the US to throw its weight MILITARILY, because the Chinese military will be 5X bigger than it. The Chinese will have the world markets, and not need the US, and will secure its raw materials from Africa and Polynesia. The question is, how will China play the game, once its has the US by the economic balls, AND can keep the US from preventing them from taking Taiwan.
    • CrazedLeper, on 02/18/2008, -0/+1It's already too late.
    • fuzzybeard, on 02/18/2008, -1/+2Big whoop. I know it sounds ghoulish as hell; but if things got that dire, we (the US) could still turn their country into a smoldering wreck in about 40 minutes.

      Mind you, I do *NOT* advocate such a course of action; rather, that it is merely possible.
  • Comatose51, on 02/18/2008, -0/+7Chinese spies make good news headlines but in truth that's not how they acquired American technology and manufacturing techniques. We handed it to them on a silver platter. China has and continues to tax the hell out of imports. In addition no foreign company can own more than 49% of a Chinese company. So what does that mean? China has a huge cheap labor supply. American companies want to cut cost so their CEOs can make millions on bonuses. What to do? Partner with the Chinese of course! Take 49% ownership of Chinese companies and move our factories over there. We tap the Chinese labor and the only people who suffer are the American workers. Win-win right? When we move our factories over to China or teach our Chinese partners how to make something, we're giving China a crash course in modern industries and manufacturing. Have any of you noticed that instead of making plastic toys China also makes our computers and iPods? In the span of a decade they've learned the techniques and built the infrastructure for high tech manufacturing. They don't need spies to do all that. They just need American greed. This is an all around losing proposition for America in the long term. We accumulate debt to China and teach them how to replace our factories. The few glimmers of hope lies in our R & D prowess. China has yet to have companies like Google, Microsoft, and IBM. Nor do they have the world class research universities like we do. We attract Ph.D.s from around the world, even Chinese ones. Still, with mainstream America's fear and hate for intellectuals, it's not hard imagining China catching up to us in this as well. China, unlike America, actually values education. Instead of jocks being admired, it is the nerd who dominates the Chinese schools.

    This isn't some comment to inspire fear of the "yellow peril". I am a Chinese American after all. These are observations I've made over time by comparing the two countries.
  • fleance2, on 02/18/2008, -0/+0surprise?
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