What is Digg?254 Comments
- smokeybehr, on 10/12/2007, -63/+144Another DIShonor killing. Yup, Islam is the religion of peace. You don't see other religions killing their family members over "honor".
- karmic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+74I think that the Mennonites are big on honor killings.
Oops. I meant "bake sales." - sklee, on 10/12/2007, -13/+66Radical Islam is more of a disease then a religion.
- Benthoven, on 10/12/2007, -25/+78Welcome to the stone-age mentality of Islam. Hide your wife, hide your daughters, they are just "uncovered meat" in Islam, property, chattel to be owned or disowned or killed, you know, whatever. WAKE UP people. You will either Convert to Islam or DIE. It is written in the Koran.
- Civil44, on 10/12/2007, -12/+53any radical religion for that matter
- mrfreeziexp, on 10/12/2007, -39/+70I'm pretty sure it's Islam extremists that commit these "honor killings." The Islamic religion is about peace.
But the extremists are pretty messed up. - deesine, on 10/12/2007, -16/+47disclaimer,
You almost had a point up until you attributed Islam "bashing" as merely a pro-American stance.
There are many serious critics of Islam, not all of them from the West. I think if you gave people like Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq, Nonie Darwish, Serge Trifkovic, Walid Phares, Bat Ye'or, or Brigitte Gabriel an honest read, you might come to a different conclusion about criticism of Islam. - N00F, on 10/12/2007, -8/+34@mrfreezie
I agree with you, extremists are fu*ked up, but it doesn't matter which religion they follow. There are wild and crazy religious types in all forms of religion... except Buddhism.... but I don't think that's actually a religion, it might be more a way of thinking or lifestyle. WHATEVER, I haven't heard of any Buddists going crazy on their family or people in the news lately! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+37
@tpaine --- " Calling all Muslims terrorists is open faced bigotry and we as a society need to move on from these destructive generalizations. They are people just like you and me. They just have a different belief system.
Like burning their families alive if they become too "western".
Like cutting off the clitoris's of baby girls so they'll never feel pleasure in the sex act.
Like stoning women to death -- because the *woman* was raped.
Like the taliban cut the lips off women who wore lipstick; and threw acid in their faces if they didn't wear a burka.
Like ... (we could go on and on).
Yeah, a different belief system. We must learn to move on from these destructive generalizations.
tpaine, are you blind or just a mindless idiot? - casualobserver, on 10/12/2007, -6/+29And unless people again misinterpet the reason for posting these stories.......this is NOT to imply all Muslims commit insane acts, but rather many insane acts are being committed in the name of Islam.
Dislike evangelical Christians if you will, but find and post the same number of acts of idiocy in any other religion during the past 6 months.
People are therefore rationale to suspect something is awry in the teaching/practicing of Islam and are naturally fearful of it. - screensnot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Don't want your family to become "westernized"? Don't take them to a "westernized" country.
I must be a genius for thinking that one up. Or maybe not. - Tmacman, on 10/12/2007, -12/+34@disclaimer said:
"we have domestic violence in America, we have domestic violence in other countries. But if it's a Muslim doing that to his wife, then Islam is blamed. But if someone over here is doing it, then it's just an individual act."
Yes, but here in the US, abusers end up in jail or counselling. In the middle eastern cultures, the killing and abuse are institutionalized, and they do it with impunity. These crimes just get swept under the rug as being a family matter. - appetite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21This kind of violence is probably part of the reason that Muslims don't speak out against Muslim violence as much as we would like. I'm certain that Muslim liberals exist, but they'd have to be almost suicidal (ironically) to speak against their culture.
- freebsdmike, on 10/12/2007, -9/+28"A father killed his wife and four daughters in their sleep because he could not bear them adopting a more westernised lifestyle"
That is why he killed them. I can think of a couple times where I was drinking and my wife upset me, but did I set her fire? I think not. - davesbrain, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Let's blame alcohol, oh wait, doesn't that make him a bad Muslim? They aren't supposed to drink.
- Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -9/+27"Can you separate "Radical Islam" from Islam? "
That cannot be done until adherents actively distance themselves from the fringe. In the end, it is *their* religion, and it is *they* who must step up to the plate. - schlongmeister, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17"Riaz, who had spent the evening drinking, set himself on fire and died two days later."
So, he says he was a devout Muslim and yet he drank alcohol? Fundamentalist hypocrite... - bussche, on 10/12/2007, -21/+35because christians disowning family members because there gay, etc isnt bad at all.
- WarCriminal, on 10/12/2007, -12/+25Fun to blame Islam? A can't remember Pat Robertson doing, or suggesting it done, to have one of his disciples chop the head off a gay person, or any of the horrible atrocities that happen on a continual basis in Muslim countries and elsewhere in the world. Maybe Rosie O'Donnell and you should take a closer look at the Qu'ran. All religions are not equal....there's something not right about Islam. As I see it, Islam is constantly in conflict with all religions, and history, and empirical evidence proves this. You can't separate the acts from the religion. I don't have to look far to find another Muslim atrocity every single day. When will we take off our rose colored glasses of multiculturalism?
- AJH16, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19@benthoven
I'm not a Muslim, but I thought I should correct you based on my study, technically the Koran allows for people who are not Muslim, it just indicates that they should be an inferior sub-citizen and that Islam should control the world and that any infadel's (non-muslims) who fight against a Muslim world should be subjegated. - mcfairy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Goldfenix...
"A father killed his wife and four daughters in their sleep because he could not bear them adopting a more westernised lifestyle"
Not HIS westernised lifestyle... theirs. - Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16@ Leviathan
Good point. Christians do have whackos. However they are not celebrated. When is the last time you saw a kid walking around with a T-shirt applauding an abortion clinic bomber? Flip Benham the director of operation rescue (a rabid anti-abortion group) said clinic bombings are "deplorable." They are critisized from all but the most radical segements fo christianity. Can you find any surveys of christians who say they support clinic bombings?
What do we have in Muslim communities? After the UK tube bombing 6% of Muslims in the UK said that bombing of civilians in the tubes was justified. 24% said they sympathized witht hem. 56% understand why they behave that way. This isn't a case of them being oppressed and left with no alternative, they were from middle class families, and had every opportunity. The number are ven higher when it comes to attacking civilians in the US. - mAarontheGREAT, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14...being a nerd...and a fan of Bruce Lee, Bushido, ninjas, etc.
i must ask...
...if you set out to kill someone, your family, for being "dishonorable"...
...and you kill them while they're sleeping...in your home...where they should be safe under YOUR protection...
...what does that say about YOUR honor...or lack thereof? - flashback99, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15I don't think you can only blame religion for this tragedy, it takes a pretty insanely ***** up individual to murder his own family
- jpop, on 10/12/2007, -12/+23"this is NOT to imply all Muslims commit insane acts, but rather many insane acts are being committed in the name of Islam"
You forgot to mention that most of the major Muslim organizations also aren't condemning it, and in a lot of cases are tacitly approving of it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Stop calling it honor-killings... this is about as indecent and trecherous as it gets.
- m0tbaillie, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19Yes, there is. My mom is a Muslim and has a Master's degree in English Literature, speaks 3 languages, and married a Christian. Radical Islam is not the Islam that is written about in the Koran, not be a long shot. Just as radical Christianity is NOT found anywhere in the Bible.
- Leviathan777, on 10/12/2007, -12/+22@sanwin25
abortion clinic bombings. david koresh. people murdered for being gay. then there was that mom who threw her kids off a bridge because god told her to. that israeli who killed 29 muslims in a mosque. ann coulter recommended a "foreign policy" of "convert them or kill them".
the so-called honor killings are especially repellent example of killing in the name of god, because they involve a blame-the-victim mentality.
but there has never been a shortage of people who kill in the name of "traditional values" and subservience to god. it's always wrong. - btgoss, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12In a tragic event, that was a funny and ironic comment...
- kaiser44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10look at what is going on in the U.K.
look at what is going on in the NETHERLANDS,look at what is going on in THAILAND.
This is not just a religion, it is a ***** political movement.
They believe in sharia law, it is not compatible with secular or religiouse or democratic principles if carried out.
All muslims are not bad people , but sharia law left to radical factions does nothing but destroy what ever gets in it's way.
It is not compatible with freedom. period. the end - GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I'll pay closer attention to Christian zealots when they start strapping bombs to their children and then forcing them to detonate them in crowds of civilians, then run for elected office, win an overwhelming majority, and gain a personal audience with the highest elected leaders in their country.
Right now, this story is real, only it's not a Christian. It's a Muslim. It's a mother. And she's an elected member of the "Palestinian" parlaiment. - monergism, on 10/12/2007, -11/+19Every Empire that met Islam fought it or was conquered. I'm not a fan of Sharia law.
- georgz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10What do you expect from someone duped into a religion founded by a caravan robber and murder, someone who married a 6-year old, consummating the marriage when she was 12-years old. This child pedophile self-styled Mohammed the prophet got big appeal to all kinds of stone-age yearning squirrels.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13This has happened in the USA already...
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/news/04244241FCB_news.shtml
April 24, 2004) — Ismail Peltek, who was indicted Friday on charges of second-degree murder in the April 15 slaying of his wife, Hatice Peltek, claimed he attacked his wife and daughters after learning that his brother had molested his wife and his 22-year-old daughter, according to court documents.
Peltek, 41, said he attacked his 4-year-old daughter because she had been “sullied” by a gynecological exam.
”I was concerned that my family’s honor was taken,” he allegedly told investigators. ...
His 39-year-old wife died after being stabbed repeatedly and bludgeoned on the head with a hammer.
His daughters suffered fractured skulls from hammer blows.
”If you had the opportunity to kill the family again, would you?” he was asked by Rochester police Officer Emre Arican, who was brought in to help investigators because he speaks Turkish.
”My female family, yes. My male family, no,” Peltek allegedly replied. ...
So-called “honor killings” of females are common in Turkey and countries of the Middle East, according to UNICEF, the United Nations Children’s Fund. UNICEF defines the practice as one “in which men kill female relatives in the name of family ‘honor’ for forced or suspected sexual activity outside marriage, even when they have been victims of rape.”
http://www.rnews.com/story_2004.cfm?story_type=2&rnews_story_type=18&id=17719
Man Charged in Killing His Wife
by Greg Johnston and Judy Mendoza
Published Apr 16, 2004
A Scottsville man, originally from Turkey, was arraigned Friday on charges that he killed his wife and attempted to kill his two daughters.
A judge arraigned Ismail Peltek in his room at Strong Hospital. Peltek is charged with one count of second degree murder and 2 counts of attempted murder.
Peltek is accused of stabbing his wife to death in their Scottsville home on Thursday. Investigators say he then attacked his two daughters, fracturing both their skulls.
Sheriff’s deputies say Ismail Peltek then stabbed himself in the stomach.
Prosecutors say that even though Peltek was arraigned at the hospital, his legal rights were upheld.
"Council was present. He had an opportunity to speak with Mr. Clark, defense attorney, briefly before the arraignment. And Mr. Clark made sure that all of his rights were reserved including the not guilty plea," said Doug Randall, Assistant District Attorney.
Peltek remains at the hospital in guarded condition. He's scheduled to appear in Wheatland Town Court for a preliminary hearing on Tuesday.
It's unclear if he will be able to attend that hearing because of his injuries.
Ismail's daughter, Zeliha Peltek, 22, remains in stable condition. Her sister Melisa, 4, is in guarded condition. - Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16"There are moderate muslims but there is no moderate islam." I wish I could remember the apostate who said that.
The problem is that in Islam the Koran IS the word of God. You can't brush off the violent or unpopular verses (and there are quite a few of those). This a cornerstone of Islam and is shared by virtually every sect.
With christianity most people look at the bible (which also has some crazy parts) as being written by man, and thus succeptable to the mistakes of man (there are some christians who think every word is fact and the word of god, but they are the minority).
As long as there is the belief that everything in the Koran is the word of god you can (and do) have people using it as a reason for atrocities. - Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10That's the point. It forces people to grapple with the idea that their concept of honor must change.
- davesbrain, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17You need to learn that the FREE world does not follow Islamic law and when you act in the manner of your religion, you'll go to jail.
- flink405, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8But isn´t that the Muslim way?
Men are always right, women always wrong. Men are better than women. - Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12The LGF may focus on "anti-muslim" news stories, but they don't make things up.
If muslims have a problem witht he things LGF reports in their community maybe they should do something to stop what they are reporting.
Muslims blaming LGF for hurting their image is like a wife beater blaming a guy who called the cops on him for being un-popular. - CorpT, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I'd be happy if they just didn't kill people for being too Western. Apparently that's asking too much.
- cleverhanz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12@m0tbaillie
"They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; the, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as a friend or helper except those that betake themselves to a people who are joined wiht you by a compact, or come to you with breasts constricted from fighting with you or fighting their people."
Clear enough? - mdp8889, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@deesine i agree that its not only muslims and there can be people who take a religion too far in any religion but it seems muslims are more violent to other religions then any other religion... sry for my weird wording
- freebsdmike, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13@davesbrain
It's not his fault he was drinking alcohol. The evil satan made him do it.. - davesbrain, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I guess, God willing, he's not getting his virgins, praise Allah.
- mAarontheGREAT, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12This kind of thing happens countless times within the Muslim population of the world...it does not always end in killing, but physical violence towards women, especially within the family, is something encouraged in the cultures where Islam is most prevalent...
- pabster, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Another example of "The Religion Of Peace" at work.
CONVERT OR DIE. This is no joke, folks. - GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Warning: do not not draw any pictures of these events.
Just saying. - flink405, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7They just reported the news and gave a link that was in a British newspaper....they don´t make it up.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10@datastorageguy --- "Imagine my entire neighborhood of evangelical Christians moved to downtown Mecca...
That's hard to imagine, since Christians aren't allowed in Mecca. The Saudis have laws against Christians. - Otto, on 10/12/2007, -11/+17>>>"I'm not so sure that you can tie the practice so closely with Islam. For starters, Islamic jurisprudence forbids the practice."
When you have to specifically forbid some rather ***** up ***** because otherwise the religious people would actually do it, then I think that's pretty indicative of a ***** up religion, don't you? -
Show 51 - 100 of 254 discussions
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is