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- Janinco, on 07/22/2009, -9/+49FTA "The interim government accused Venezuela of meddling in Honduran affairs and of threatening to use its armed forces against Honduras, according to a copy of the letter obtained by The Associated Press."
This is good news.Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez needs to stay out of it! - readacook, on 07/22/2009, -9/+37Stunningly, the position that most conservatives have adopted in regard to this crisis has been much better thought out than what the UN, EU, etc. have called for. Honduras peacefully dealt with a president trying to implant himself in power, and the rest of the world should stay out of it.
- trendygamer, on 07/22/2009, -9/+36Let's get this straight. Obama doesn't want to "meddle" in the affairs of Iran and it's blatantly fraudulent election (where protesters are beaten and arrested daily), but feels inclined to demand that Honduras return to power a president who was trying to take the first steps towards a Chavez style presidency for life. Way to stay on the right side of history Barack.
Protip: When you're on the same side as Hugo Chavez, you're probably doing it wrong. - SScottAZ, on 07/22/2009, -7/+33Every article I read on this issue leads me to conclude Obama and Clinton are on the wrong side of this issue.
- trendygamer, on 07/22/2009, -2/+27The referendum to remove term limits was expressly illegal as per the Honduran constitution. Just about every component of the government, from the legislature to the supreme court to the military to Zelaya's own political party, had repeatedly told him it was an illegal, unconstitutional action. He tried to go ahead anyway. THAT is why he was removed.
- Barackalypse, on 07/22/2009, -8/+26Hang tough Honduras, what does the rest of the world know about obeying a Constitution anyhow? The more would be be dictators like Chavez and dictators like Castro rail against you, the more you can be assured you are doing the right thing.
- SScottAZ, on 07/22/2009, -1/+16Because the president did not have that power in their constitution and both their courts and congress excised their duty in reigning in and an out-of-control president.
- readacook, on 07/22/2009, -2/+16Holding the referendum was deemed illegal by the courts, as the term limits provision in the Honduran constitution is explicitly unamendable.
And if you don't think vote results can be forged, look at Iran. Zelaya already withheld money from the National Electoral Tribunal and the National Persons Registry, which oversees elections. That doesn't seem fishy to you?
What about the quiet entrance into ALBA?
Zelaya has done a great job making it look like he was a victim of an undemocratic injustice, but that is simply not reality. Talk to a Honduran and hear the relief in their voice that Zelaya is out of power, and rethink your ideas about this 'coup.' - rschenkel, on 07/22/2009, -1/+12Beside the fact that it was illegal according to our Constitution, the "referendum" was rigged, the everyone knew what the result would be, as no independent body was overseeing the "voting", what is more, the official institution responsible for elections in our country, the Supreme Electoral Tribunal, also deemed the referendum illegal. Take a look at this:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-main ...
Viva Honduras! We don't want Zelaya back! - inactive, on 07/22/2009, -3/+12The military was under orders of the Congress and their Supreme Court.
How can you pass a law that's expressly forbidden by the Honduran Constitution? Explicitly forbidden. - robzavala, on 07/22/2009, -8/+16As an Honduras i can tell you guys that we are fine now that Zelaya is out, he was a corrupt coccaine addict like his son, this you wont see it on CNN since they belong to Chavez now, the reaction of the worlds presidents is natural, they fear that people realize that not even the presidents are above the law.
Such a shame that Obama and Clinton are backing up Zelaya, they dont know what is going to happen if Zelaya is put back as our president, i guess they are going to find out when me , my family, and other 7 million of Hondurans head to the US looking for the freedom that was taken by them for supporting Zelaya, see you guys soon... - kolobcreek, on 07/22/2009, -1/+9Are you saying it would ok if we roll the clock back a few years and let Bush change the constitution and run again? Despite legal objections from both parties?
GOD Bless America where you only have to put up with some ***** president for at most 8 years. - Junkyarddawg, on 07/22/2009, -2/+10It's ironic that Chavez, who accuses the US of meddling in everything, including the price of sugar from Venezuelan farms when sold at markets in Venezuela, is himself meddling in the internal affairs of other countries every chance he gets.
- arapro, on 07/22/2009, -6/+14WTF ! Get those Venezuelans out of there ! Viva Honduras Libre !
People forget, that Chavez himself was/is a Gorilla, he directed the fail coup attempt in '92 - he is now Venezuela's worst nightmare (literally).- What the military did in Honduras is exactly what should happen in Venezuela again to free the people. - superkendall, on 07/22/2009, -2/+10He's also the one that supplied the ballots for the referendum the ousted president wanted to hold (and already had the results pre-certified on his computers before the vote was even held).
- superkendall, on 07/22/2009, -4/+12It does scream democracy when the president is trying to engineer a coup, and the legislature orders him arrested.
It does scream democracy when the presidents computers are found to hold the final vote tallies for the referendum he was never permitted to hold, and which was against the current Honduras constitution. Democracy is all about protecting itself from would-be dictators. - rschenkel, on 07/22/2009, -6/+13Thanks for your support man! We are trying to hang in there... just terribly disappointed with the international community and midia, that are totally missing the point on this. We kicked out a would-be dictator and they are trying to place him back, on the grounds that he had not finished his term... wtf?
Viva Honduras! We don't want Zelaya back! - inactive, on 07/22/2009, -7/+14Apparently supporting the Constitution of Honduras is now "right-wing"...
- eicigi, on 07/22/2009, -1/+8The frequent reference to the Honduras Government; headed according to the Constitution
by Micheletti, as the interim government is not correct. Mr. Michelleti was appointed as President in observance to the articles of the constitution. He just happened to be there.
We hardly expected him to get to be President, but now, we are happy that it happened. Anyway, forget the interim word and refer to the Government of Honduras. - inactive, on 07/22/2009, -7/+14lol, you ignorant hack.
State Ruled by Crime and Chavez Family
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/world/americas/2 ...
Chavez has done nothing but enrich himself, his family and his political allies. Just like his BFF Obama. - bobburn1, on 07/22/2009, -5/+12What crisis? The people and their representatives wanted the president removed from office for violating the constitution. The only people who see something wrong don't live in the country. Wtf?
- C4Aries, on 07/22/2009, -5/+11I am truly flabbergasted at how the worlds leaders have reacted to this. It shames me that the US would react this way, especially Clinton. How can there be Change at home while demanding to maintain the status quo around the world?
- atomheartmother, on 07/22/2009, -1/+7Like wow, fer sure bcus you like look out over yer fence and I mean their they r right.
- frsrblch, on 07/22/2009, -0/+6Thanks for posting this. Most people tend to forget the terrible impact that US policy has had on the continent.
- waspbr, on 07/22/2009, -0/+6thing is that whenever the name chavez comes up people go crazy. I am not a fan of chavez myself but the media has made a very effective smear campaign on him portraing him a dictator. Most of them do not know anything about latin american history.
The honduran president was not a chavist, if anything he was a moderate like brazil' s lula, but he pissed off a lot of people in the honduran government and they went on to associate him with chavez to draw support. - bbear, on 07/22/2009, -6/+11Well now we know how the rich people of Honduras feel about the issue. Thanks Digg.
Most of the governments in South America are corrupt. Corrupt Manuel Zelaya pissed off too many powerful people at the same time. Nobody cares about the constitution in a country with a revolving door of dictators. The constitution of Honduras has always been a joke but it makes for exciting American television. - waspbr, on 07/22/2009, -0/+5Finally some one with some sense, wish I could digg you twice.
Diggers are extremely naive, they think that the politicians that sided with the coup were constituinal heros, when they are an extremely corrupt bunch. Honduras had been through a decade of military dictatorship in the past and during that period the politicians that remained in power were the ones that sided with the corrupt stablishment, controlling the media and whatnot. Sadly all over the latin america the stigma of the military dictatorship remains, due to the consolidation of the influence of those politicians.
Diggers don' t seem to understand that no proper legal procedings took place, no impeachment proceedings, sure some military sympathising judges are going to back the removal of the elected president in order to make the whole thing look legitimate.
Making a non-legal biding referendum on the subject of re-election does not make anyone a dictator. Anyone that thinks that removing an elected president at gunpoint without proper impeachment proceedings is a gullible moron. - pintomp3, on 07/22/2009, -1/+6The right-wing doesn't even support the Constitution of the United States.
- inactive, on 07/22/2009, -3/+8Here's Article 239 of the Honduran Constitution:
"ARTICULO 239.- El ciudadano que haya desempeñado la titularidad del Poder Ejecutivo no podrá ser Presidente o Vicepresidente de la República.
El que quebrante esta disposición o proponga su reforma, así como aquellos que lo apoyen directa o indirectamente, cesarán de inmediato en el desempeño de sus respectivos cargos y quedarán inhabilitados por diez (10) años para el ejercicio de toda función pública."
Here's a babelfish translation:
"ARTICLE 239. - The citizen who has carried out the ownership of the Executive authority could not be President or Vice-president of the Republic. The one that break this disposition or propose its reform, as well as those supports that it direct or indirectly, will stop immediately in the performance of their respective positions and will be disqualified by ten (10) years for the exercise of all public function."
Do you understand the meaning of those words? - sulthernao, on 07/22/2009, -3/+8Where in the constitution is military coup at 4:00 am in the morning? If it is constitutional it should've been done properly in public through the judicial process.
- Junkyarddawg, on 07/22/2009, -0/+4Again, the problem was that Mel was marched out of the country at gunpoint BEFORE being charged with any crime.
That's basically vigilantism, not suitable in a country with a functioning legal system and rule-of-law.
Mel should have been impeached, tried, convicted, and THEN thrown out. - asami21, on 07/22/2009, -3/+7***** Chavez and anyone who imprisons / tortures over opposing political views.
- kolobcreek, on 07/22/2009, -10/+14We should all stand up for Honduras! How many of us would have liked Bush to hold an illegal election making him President FOREVER?
- Junkyarddawg, on 07/22/2009, -2/+6That doesn't change the fact that Chavez himself meddling every chance he gets is ironic.
And robs him of any moral high-ground he might have had. - waspbr, on 07/22/2009, -0/+4things are not supposed to be solved with brawl and guns blazing, if the dude has legally impeached then sure there would be no problems. But the military action without any possibility of defense was illegal and should not be condoned.
- waspbr, on 07/22/2009, -0/+4@typical
nowhere in there does it say that the one that breaks the code is to be exiled from the country.The move is still a coup and illegal.
@tsotha
If central and south america have a long history of prsidents tyhat refuse to leave, then pls name a few.
If anything Latin america has a long history of military coups and dictatorships, none of which are welcome anymore. - waspbr, on 07/22/2009, -0/+4how gullible are you, he was a not a freaking dictator, he was democratically elected.
Making a non-legal biding referendum on the subject of re-election does not make anyone a dictator.
Most countries have the possibility fo re-election of a president, even the US has it. - nabe, on 07/22/2009, -0/+4There's another issue here:
How are you supposed to fix something in the constitution, if it establishes itself as being "unreformable"?
You know, constitutions were too created by men, very imperfect men that happened to hold power at the time they were declared. I'm not saying that Zelaya was ok, but would you like to live in a country where "constitution" cannot be fixed-improved by any means, and people cannot even vote in a poll about it, under fear of being thrown out of the country?
To me this whole thing sound totally moronic. - bobburn1, on 07/22/2009, -0/+4*both parties, the Supreme Court, Congress, and around 80% of the population.
- DiMierism, on 07/22/2009, -3/+7They tried (with U.S. support) in 2002 after he was democatically elected. And it failed.
- robzavala, on 07/22/2009, -3/+7I recommend you to inform yourself of what happened in my country before posting, we dont have SWAT teams like USA to do this kind of things, thats why the congress ask the military to do the job.
- Junkyarddawg, on 07/22/2009, -0/+4Yes. This is why the UN and Obama calls the ousting of the president illegal - it didn't follow due process.
They should let the bastard come back, then throw the law at him. - ekattan, on 07/22/2009, -2/+5Imagine Chavez criticizing the Honduran government of a "coup" when all they did was uphold the law and follow the constitution but worse than that Chavez is guilty of holding his own 'coup' in 1992.
- Janinco, on 07/22/2009, -4/+7DiMierism,
>>>"...inspiration a figure like Chavez has..."<<< that's all I need to read. If Chavez is your hero, that tells me all I need to know about you.
I know enough about history to know Chavez is a Castro wanna be, and Obama probably wouldn't mind disregarding our Constitution and ruling forever as well.
I don't care if it's a Democrat or a Republican...eight years is more than enough or any one person to be President! - SScottAZ, on 07/22/2009, -0/+3So Hillary went rogue and does not advance the Presidents policy?
- Swivelstick, on 07/22/2009, -0/+3So does the US.
- durruticolumn, on 09/18/2009, -5/+8Whatever you think about the guy, there is an impeachment process, and it was not followed in favor of a military coup. You cannot say you support democracy out of one side of your mouth, and support a military coup out of the other.
- RatatRatR, on 07/22/2009, -0/+3"How many on that list are citizens of Honduras?"
God, what a phony thing to say. I'm sure you were taking a lot of interest in the opinions of Iraqi citizens, Afghanis--how about all the Venezuelans who support Chavez? You spend a lot of time bringing them up in arguments, TD? - waspbr, on 07/22/2009, -0/+3@ekattan
By that definition the UK and the US are also dictatorships.
Do you even know the meaning of the word democracy? The electorate is the ones that decide who the next president is, he was democratically elected into power whether you like it or not, thus he was not a dictator. The possibility of re-election does not make anyone a dictator.
Zelaya's term was due to end early next year, if he was really so unpopular then there was nothing to fear, he would just lose in the elections.
What happened was a coup, pure and simple. - RatatRatR, on 07/22/2009, -0/+3That Duane Clarridge character he interviewed (starting about 50 minutes in) said some things that really made my skin crawl.
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