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- cogitocogito, on 02/12/2009, -12/+129He denies gassings, the most prominent form of holocaust genocide, a procedure as well-documented by physical evidence, excruciatingly detailed records, and eye-witness testimony as just about anything during WWII. That's a denier with an agenda.
- kemp34, on 02/12/2009, -30/+135I think a better description of the guy is Holocaust-minimalist or something like that. He doesn't deny it took place, he questions the total figures. Not that I agree with him, it would just behoove folks to be correct in their wording.
- inactive, on 02/12/2009, -10/+111If he won't recant his claim, can he take off that silly ass hat?
- BohicaTwentyTwo, on 02/12/2009, -12/+113He may be a bishop, but he isn't a Catholic Bishop. Excommunicated or not, the ceremony that made him a bishop was not sanctioned by the Pope.
- Smokeydabear, on 02/12/2009, -25/+104***** that guy.
- cogitocogito, on 02/12/2009, -10/+75It's funny that not a single defendant at Nuremburg, with their lives on the line, thought to make such a preposterous claim as to deny the gassings. The Nazis kept excruciatingly detailed records, there were gas chambers galore that were not destroyed, and, in fact, there were numerous documents attesting to the cost savings of gassings over shootings.
- checkthisoutnow, on 02/12/2009, -30/+85He should be entitled to his views no matter how distasteful or heinous they may seem to others.
What is far worse is the idea that you can go to jail in Germany for denying the holocaust. Now there's a slippery slope. - inactive, on 02/12/2009, -18/+70Jews 5.9 million [30]
Soviet POWs 2–3 million [31]
Ethnic Poles 1.8–2 million [32][33]
Roma 220,000–500,000 [34]
Disabled 200,000–250,000 [35]
Freemasons 80,000–200,000 [36]
Homosexuals 5,000–15,000 [37]
Jehovah's
Witnesses 2,500–5,000 [38]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust - CrimsonBlur, on 02/11/2009, -33/+74All organized religion is a disease.
- Bhatch514, on 02/12/2009, -6/+45This guys is a tool.
"The Holocaust" was not worst Holocost or Genicide in Current history, but it gets the most fan fair and media.
32 million killed by communist Mao Tse Tung in the 'Cultural Revolution'.
The Millions of people killed by Stalin
Rwanda
The_Killing_Fields
All these atrocities deserve the same treatment and notice. - jayzizzle, on 02/11/2009, -10/+47Bad news for the Church.
- michelspc, on 02/12/2009, -11/+47The nazis kept excellent records. It is sick documentation of the killings that took place.
- morninglorii, on 02/12/2009, -3/+39The dumbest part of this is that he claims it's "about historical evidence", but admittedly has done absolutely no research.
There's nothing wrong with being unsure about the truth of something because you haven't done any research; no one has enough time to become educated on every important subject. But to go around professing its untruth because you don't know about it (especially when you're in an influential position) is ***** ridiculous. - 4NDr01D, on 02/12/2009, -20/+50Imagine no religion too
- spiralspirit, on 02/12/2009, -17/+43you are entitled to your views - but you are not protected from the consequences of them.
- vertigo32, on 02/12/2009, -3/+29There were ~6 million Jews exterminated in various ways (gassed, death through labor, shot, etc) and about another 5-12 million non-Jews who were killed through similar organized, non-combat methods in Europe by the Nazis.
There are exceptionally detailed records of this. That is one of the big things that makes the Holocaust so 'special' compared to other atrocities. The numbers are incredibly exact for any event of this magnitude. This is one of the most extensively documented and researched events of the 20th Century and there is simply no argument that it happened.
There are hundreds of thousands of witness accounts from survivors of the camps and Germans who worked at the camps as well as Allied troops of different nations who liberated the camps. There are millions of pages of records detailing every aspect of the Holocaust - planning, execution, supply orders, correspondence, personal diaries, and accounting of the numbers transported and the methods of their demise. To top it off is a termendous amount of phyiscal and photographic evidence and camps that you can still, to this day, visit. - inactive, on 02/12/2009, -1/+27Go look, you can start here http://www.google.com
- babbitblob, on 02/12/2009, -0/+25Yes. He's a fraud. Sonofabitch doesn't even move diagonally.
- spiralspirit, on 02/12/2009, -2/+27Thats a pretty ignorant way to look at the world. Everything has a context - looking at todays world without knowing history is pretty simplistic.
- CrimsonBlur, on 02/12/2009, -4/+28I do, actually. Here it is according to Merriam Webster:
3: a harmful development (as in a social institution).
You fail. - andyb747, on 02/12/2009, -5/+28those numbers are incorrect. about half of the 5.9 million Jews were also Poles
and I am sure as ***** that more Roman Catholic Poles died at the hands of the Nazis than Soviet POWs - PsychoticX, on 02/12/2009, -1/+23He's in no position to represent any views of catholism, nobody should care about what he says.
"He was excommunicated by the Roman Catholic Church in 1988 because of his unauthorized consecration by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, deemed by the Holy See to be "unlawful" and "a schismatic act".The excommunication was lifted by the Holy See in January 2009[2], but he remains suspended from exercising the functions of a bishop and priest. "
-wikipedia - alconebay, on 02/12/2009, -2/+22http://judaism.about.com/od/holocaust/a/its_badaro ...
"death registers – record the arrest, transportation and extermination of the victims. In some case, even the amount and size of the lice found on the prisoners’ heads were recorded." - nj10ii, on 02/12/2009, -9/+29What evidence do we have that George Washington was our first president? I only learned that in School I haven't examined the actual evidence.
What evidence do we have that Slavery actually existed in early America? I learned about about that in school, and have heard relatives talking about distant relatives that came from it, but I haven't examined the actual evidence.
What evidence does this Bishop have that his God actually exists? Did he learn that in school? I wonder what evidence he relies on to justify his beliefs? I have seen no actual evidence that he exists. Yet....
All I know is what I've been taught in school and what my real life experiences have taught me, and nothing that I've learned or experienced leads me to question anything that I've been taught or believe.
(Except that JFK was killed by a lone gunman, I kinda question that one.) - minnecrapolis, on 02/12/2009, -4/+24To be fair, he also denied molesting young boys. He's in denial about everything.
- EarlOfLade, on 02/12/2009, -3/+21Really?
Why is that?
Is that like all the religious morons who "deny or "don't believe " in evolution, you know a branch of biology supported by tons of evidence. yet people deny reality based upon a 2000+ year old collection of goat herder and camel driver scifi books. It's not just ridiculous, it's insane to think that someone with an education level of a 6th grader have a better understanding of biology and related fields than those who have spent a life time studying the areas.
This is similar to denying evolution, you try to deny reality based upon religion and political ideology. - scyphozoa, on 02/12/2009, -5/+22EXCOMMUNICATE HIM
- asnider, on 02/12/2009, -1/+18He's not exactly being persecuted. Basically, what the Pope is saying, by telling him he has to recant in order to be reinstated in the Catholic Church is that, "Hey, you can believe what ever nutty ***** you want, but this particular nutty view is one that the Catholic Church does not share, and we want to make sure the rest of the world is aware of that."
- inactive, on 02/12/2009, -10/+26Do some research then. It's only one of the best documented events of the 20th century. The Nazis kept records of what they did
- inactive, on 02/12/2009, -4/+20If the exceesive documentation and pictures of it don't satisfy you, you can always visit a concentration camp or two. They're still there ya' know.
I've never been to Uzbekistan, but I'm reasonably sure it's there based on the evidence that it is. - bizzywho, on 02/12/2009, -5/+21I like your comment.
It's not anti-religion or pro-religion. It's anti-Holocaust denying bishop.
Yea! ***** THAT GUY! - groo68, on 02/12/2009, -2/+18I think more people should wear silly hats, the style of the world has become too similar and boring. jeans and a hoody, or a suit.
- opticwind, on 02/12/2009, -0/+15Haha...well, as it was mandatory after 1939, yeah he did. Also the NY Times and AP have done reports showing that:
A) His father was staunchly anti-Nazi, moving 4 times around Germany to avoid it when possible
and
B) The would-be Pope refused to go to meetings.
Source (AP and NYTimes backlog):
http://bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjr ... - Ania86, on 02/12/2009, -6/+21a bishop looking for evidence.. lol!
- opticwind, on 02/12/2009, -0/+15I don't know, maybe it helps that he isn't a Catholic Bishop? After Vatican II he was part of a group that broke away from the official church and was sanctioned a Bishop by an un-authorized "superior", but without the Pope's authority or consent. His bishop status and status within the church are technically non-existent, as the article states.
The church is also publicly denouncing this guy... - dungbeetle, on 02/12/2009, -7/+21The people here who want this guy to go to jail for denying it scare me. There is no ACTUAL harm done by this guy believing this and you still want to lynch him for believing something you don't.
- Alli3388, on 02/12/2009, -2/+16You'd think he might have read something about it BEFORE he decided to have a strong opinion about it! If he hasn't read about it, then where is he getting his original claim from, other than antisemites???
- katachu, on 02/12/2009, -4/+18What I find funny is that this guy openly says things, but he has no evidence behind it. He openly said he was not going to visit Auschwitz himself when he certainly has the power to. Instead, he's going to read a book that he can claim is factual or not.
Millions of people today had family members (some might actually still be alive) and friends who were taken to Auschwitz and were never seen again.
Now, I don't claim to know anything more than what education has taught me. But who's to tell us that 2 + 2 does not, in fact, equal FISH? - Willtheway, on 02/12/2009, -1/+15how are we ignorant? those are the numbers.
- matude, on 02/12/2009, -1/+14@shiftkgb
Meh, Stalin was not good at keeping records at all. That's why we don't know if Soviets killed 5, 10, 20 or according to some statistics 50 million people during the whole era!
That's one reason why it's so hard to convince the world that Stalin's regime was a criminal one, there's just no good statistics about how many died during the repressions, you can't convict somebody if you don't know exactly what they did.
They just didn't give a ***** at all, if there was 20 thousand people needed to be transported to Siberia in animal wagons and some listed people were missing, they just took their neighbors instead to fill in the blanks. The deported people are one of the few that there is some statistical information about, once they reached the Gulag, nobody wrote down anything.
Nazis on the other hand wrote down every last detail. That's German precision vs Russian sloppiness there for ya.
Messed up ***** :/ - inactive, on 02/12/2009, -2/+15This isn't reason, the dude is a bishop who has an impact on a great number of people. He should be held responsible for his ignorance on the subject. It may be okay to be wrong about something, but to publicly come out and talk about something as fragile as the Holocaust and attempt to refute eye witness accounts, he deserves all the ***** that comes with it.
- Cabose, on 02/12/2009, -2/+15You're saying a man of god denies something based on physical evidence detailed records and eye-witness testimony? Wow. I guess they do only believe the whole "faith" thing
- familynight, on 02/12/2009, -2/+14I agree with you in principle, but I don't think that this is a particularly good example of that principle in practice. He's not really asking questions. It's much more likely that he came to a conclusion and sought out evidence to back himself up. That's the pattern with Holocaust deniers, at least the prominent ones that I've read about. It's one thing to ask questions. It's another to reject volumes upon volumes of evidence because it doesn't fit your argument.
If this guy made an academically honest and rigorous study of the issue before making his statements, I'll take back what I've said. On the other hand, I would take a bet against that happening with your choice of odds. - muffcakes, on 02/12/2009, -8/+20If one can deny evolution or gay rights then denying the Holocaust should be a cakewalk. They should get rid of the word religious and just use the generic word 'lunatic' instead.
- shiftkgb, on 02/12/2009, -1/+13The Nazi's along with Pol Pot and Stalin took meticulous records. Its the whole "control freak" in them really, everything had to be documented.
- inactive, on 02/12/2009, -1/+13Exactly, they all admitted their guilt and tried to downplay their role to save themselves from hanging.
The only Nazi who was totally oblivious was Rudolf Hess who cried in the courtroom seeing the images, he had been a POW in London since 41 and was marginalized as a leader before then, plus mentally ill. Honestly he kind of got the shaft when it came down to sentencing, how the hell Albert Speer got out and he didn't boggles my mind. - jmpeagle, on 02/12/2009, -0/+12that's what "Roma" means
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people - YinofYang, on 02/12/2009, -1/+13Snap
- familynight, on 02/12/2009, -4/+15You're full of *****. There are many books about the non-Jewish victims of the Nazis. For that matter, I've been to various memorials dedicated to these victims, as well.
The term "the Holocaust" refers to the program of genocide carried out by the Nazis against Jews. That's why Holocaust museums focus on the Jews. All deaths matter, but the Holocaust is prominent in people's minds for the death of Jews because it was a modern day example of a large scale campaign to rid the world of a prominent minority group. You're an idiot if you don't see the historical significance of that.
The historical significance of the Holocaust does not take away from the importance of any other deaths. I don't have any issue with you pointing out the hypocrisy of politicians, but trying to coopt this article to serve your own causes only makes me less sympathetic to your message. No respected historian that I know of denies the deaths of non-Jews. If you want to write a better, more popular book on these peoples, then by all means do so. - JasonAdams13, on 02/12/2009, -1/+12Well, yeah. And it's probably not too good for their image to have a Holocaust-denier order a book about how to operate a gas chamber...
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