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Hezbollah hands over dead Israeli soldiers in swap
afp.google.com — Here's one deal that should never have been struck. Israel releases a convicted murder that killed a baby barehanded as well as her mother and brother in exchange for 2 dead bodies. Hezbollah demonstrates again that some human beings are just two legged animals.
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- kenjonesmd, on 07/16/2008, -25/+119Israel has always been willing to release 10 prisoners for 1 Israeli. They put a high value on their citizens, even dead. Makes one wonder what value the other side places on their people.
- foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -21/+33"I know the Empire of the United States hold jewish citizens of Israel in higher regard than its own citizens and soldiers" - care to prove that?
"S soldiers have been cannon fodder for Israel's illegal occupation and existence for years, in attempts to justify it." - really? how so?
"I know I am going to ***** die because my government (the US) ain't coming to my rescue, but is probably will for a Israeli" - really? when was the last time the US came to the rescue of a kidnapped Israeli?
You're so full of *****.- foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -11/+32"Isreal exists (illegally)" - interestingly, it seems that the United Nations, and all the countries that Israel has diplomatic relations with, disagree with you. But I am sure you're the one that's right.
"60% of their budget is US aid" - From Wikipedia, "In 2007, direct economic aid from the US amounted to $120 million, or about 0.07% of Israel's GDP.". Add to that the military aid (which reverts to the US in form of jobs on production lines and you're still well bellow your "60%". But, of course, math be damned, I am sure you're the one that's right.
"When was the last time you say Isreali troops invade ANYWHERE besides their next door neighbors." - so, the way you put it, Israel should be invading EVERYWHERE, and that would mean that American soldiers wouldn't be used as cannon fodder for Israel. Your logic, if it can be called that, is ... disturbing. Or, of course, the USSR and the US dueling words over the Middle East means that American soldiers died for Israel. Of course. Reality be damned, I am sure you're the one who's right.
"To be honest with you...who knows." - so, you don't know, you got zero proof of your alleagtions, but you still think they make for a good sound bite, so hey, what the hell, let's just throw them out there, perhaps it will take, uh?
"Go ***** yourself you wormy neocon *****..." - yes, the rhetoric of the full of *****. - foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -10/+21Oy what a troll. OK, Wikipedia hard data is not good for you? Will Harvard do it? "Israel's annual defense spending amounts to a little over 10 percent of the country's GDP, or around $10 billion. Of that, American FMF accounts for about $2 billion and is the portion of the defense budget used mainly for weapons procurement from both Israeli and American contractors." http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/~hireview/content.php?t ...
Careful when you check the percentages, don't cut yourself. If you need something more explicit, take http://www.worldtravelguide.net/country/128/busine ... - look at the GDP and the amounts the US sends every year. Find 60%, I dare you.
Btw, if you think the US is so bad, why do you live there?
"I sure hope you feel that way when they come in the middle of the night to haul you and your family to the camps." - oooook....
"nd when I see those blue beret bastards walking up and down the roads of America (ISRAELIS NOT CHINESE like everyone thinks) it will be all the much sweeter to cap 'em." ... what ?!? - foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -9/+23"And just because Israel is recognized by the UN does not mean it is still a legal country" - no ? what would give it legitimacy then? you ?
"Not to mention the laundry list of sanctions the UN hits with Isreal on a regular basis" - say, troll, do you know what a non-binding resolution is? No? You got some research to do then.
"TORTURE, ethnic cleansing of Muslims, cutting power and food to Gaza (an international war crime)." - geez, none of which the UN has actually ever given a resolution on. As to cutting power and food - how can that be if we still provide (free!) 70% of the electricity to Gaza, and when there are no rocket attacks, basic needs loaded trucks flow thru the border? Ouch! I guess we are not sending enough cakes!
"I know you are a rank and file neocon follower" - you know? the same way you "know" all the other of your "points" that you don't even try to stand behind once they're debunked? That's how you "know" ?
Go back to your cave before "they come for you in the night", schizo. You get corrected, you admit you got no proof of the BS you're spewing, and you come back for more. You must be some sorry kind of masochist. - foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -7/+20"Hey...you are a dirty ***** Israeli. I knew something was cooking." - it's that difficult to look at ones profile, isn't it. Yes, I know. We all participate in supporting your deficiencies. Don't worry. You're very special.
"There is not a General Christ coming to lead your armies to victory over the people you have already beaten and enslaved." - don't you think that "piece of news" would interest, i don't know, a Christian? Cause I couldn't care less.
"There are something like 5000+ UN sanctions and condemnations AGAINST Israel from the UN" - none binding, last I checked. Let me know when you got something more than institutionalized name-calling.
"Did Hamas get elected LEGALLY by the way?" - what do I care? Their charter says they want to destroy me and mine. Why do I care if they get elected or if they paint themselves blue?
"Youtube had the videos of jews cheering at the Chrysler building shouting death to Allah until they got pulled." - really, they did. Do tell. And I am sure you know all about how Israel was behind 911. You even have the proof. It's in the pudding. The pudding in the rear of your panties.
"***** the United States. I do not stand for it and I DAMN it." - then move. I am sure Iran will be happy to provide you with a platform and the means to spew your ignorance all over the intarwebs. Plus, I am sure you can flip burgers pretty much anywhere these days so your career path is still safe.
"Now everything I said is 100% true." - cause...you....say...so? Cause sure you failed in providing any kind of substantiation. Not that I am sure you even understand the word.
"Are you proud to live there?" - very much so, though guy.
Enjoy your rants, it seems like you're really on a roll there. - foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -7/+16"You ***** pictures look just that...faggoty." - should I be offended? Should I try to be like you, an intarwebs though guy? Let me know, but quick, cause I can't hold myself waiting for your wisdom.
"No UN resolution is binding unless it is approved by the security council" - so...the answer to your problems lies in the body of question, no? Since there are no non-binding resolutions against Israel, then, Israel is not infringing on resolutions. Oh well, one more of your pillars of belief falls down.
"Do you even READ the tablot? I am guessing by this statement, you have not." - the what? tablot? What's that, something sold over supermarket counters? You seem to, like everything else you've spewed so far, be very, very confused. You see, Jews are not expecting Christ to come over and lead armies. The other two Abrahamic religions are.
"Cheney is and it was an insurance scam." - right, i KNEW you had the final answer! Finally!
"Read your little talbot" - I sold my little blue Renault Talbot quite some years ago. I still have some pictures where it appears, though. Does that count?
"some ***** about prophecy and why the ***** leaders of my country love you" - that would be the New Testament, no? Too bad. You see, us Jews follow the Old one. Like, Testament v1.0.
"So go hop in a oven, death to israel, hail hitler (creation of US Republicans by the way)...blah blah blah, whatever the *****." - isn't it lovely when a poor brain meets an unbreakable barrier? It splatters with a such a nice sound.
I believe you must be feeling bad. All broken up cause you can't stand up to a "dirty ***** israeli". Must have lost a couple of cm on your little thingie today. So sad. But don't worry - you're still special. Very special. - foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -7/+17"OUTRIGHT WRONG AND LIE AND YOU KNOW IT." - oh please do educate me and show me where the Jews are waiting for Christ to lead some army. I'd love to see you prove some of your BS for once. Go ahead.
"And as for my thingy, come on over to the US, I wrap it around your ***** skull" - tough guy, I'm shaking. Really. Can't almost type. Except I am not. Freak. - dshPls, on 07/16/2008, -4/+19I like this idiot started out saying "You just decide to insult instead of debate." and has since reverted to "You ***** pictures look just that...faggoty."
You're a tool, get off the internet. - foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -7/+14Still waiting for you to subtantiate _any_ of your bull, tough guy. _Any_.
- DreadPirate, on 07/16/2008, -4/+14Funny how robinohio1 can only resort to insults when asked to substantiate any of his claims. How typical of him. Buried and reported as utterly lame.
- foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -8/+12blah, blah, blah. It seems you're just that, hot air. Can't even think of your own tough talk, had to re-use the panties one? You're too disfunctional to do even that properly?
Sad. Very sad. But, as I said - you're still special. Very special.
So, when are you moving to Iran? - foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -7/+15SO, basically:
1. make up false claims
2. fail to stand behind them (while making some more)
3. kick and name-call while trying to pass as a tough guy
4. ... ?
5 profit
Meanwhile, we notice you have a problem with Jews, homosexuals, the English language, and has a narcissistic impression that your opinion matters.
I guess I can rest my case - the opposing "team" seems to have disqualified itself beyond any semblance of repair.
Oh, btw - you're not "special" in a gay manner. Just in a development-challenged one.
Indeed, very special. - onetimer, on 07/16/2008, -5/+15Well took a while but robbby here revealed his true colors.
So your one of those "omg new world order jews did 9/11!!!!" idiots. Figures as much. Hey after you're banned from digg, do us all a favor and don't come back. - DreadPirate, on 07/16/2008, -3/+15Well that didn't take long - one day of posting hate-filled rants, and robinohio1 is banned. Wonder how long until he/she/it is back under another name?
- DreadPirate, on 07/16/2008, -2/+14wontimer - you think that's the *only* thing that robinohio1 got banned for? It gave the ops plenty of other reasons to do so, among them the fact that it did almost nothing but insult anyone who dared disagree with it.
- wpi97, on 07/16/2008, -4/+17"Why is it okay to ban somebody for saying that Jews did 911?"
Because it is an absurd bigoted lie. - DrDreyfus, on 07/16/2008, -3/+10You are a stupid doucheface *****.
Prove I'm lying. - petard, on 07/17/2008, -7/+8STFU you don't need to make 100 posts, 1 is enough!
- pintomp3, on 07/17/2008, -11/+5looks like the megaphone crew is here in full force:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_too ... - KlassyGuy, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5No, I just am here do defend my interests, and those interests are common sense.
- wpi97, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7"looks like the megaphone crew is here in full force:"
Must be frustrating to see so many people, who don't believe in your favorite conspiracy theory. They must have been summoned by an all powerful piece of software. There simply cannot be any other explanation. The Jooooos did 9/11, and then they wrote Megaphone, a super-intelligent artificial life form to summon them to digg to cover it up! That's the ticket!
- foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -11/+32"Isreal exists (illegally)" - interestingly, it seems that the United Nations, and all the countries that Israel has diplomatic relations with, disagree with you. But I am sure you're the one that's right.
- JohnReb, on 07/16/2008, -8/+33robinohio1, when was the last time Hezbollah returned a live prisoner to Israel?
- foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -5/+32By far not the latest, but it will help educate you a bit.
"Israel Frees 330 Prisoners; Palestinians Dismiss Gesture "
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940 ...
"Israel was not required to make the releases under the Middle East peace plan known as the road map, but it said it hoped to help the sputtering peace negotiations. It had the opposite effect." - JohnReb, on 07/16/2008, -6/+26"When was the last time Israel returned a live "terrorist" back to a family living in the occupied territories?"
This particular thread is about Hezbollah, not Hamas, and the answer to your question when adjusted to match the thread's subject is, of course, today. - foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -4/+12What's this, stupid hater day? We get ridden of one only to be prized with another?
@wontimer: is it "ilegitimo" because you say so? - foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -4/+17"Because it was created from land arbitrarily taken" - from who? From the Arabs that sold land to the incoming Jews, or from the British, who were responsible for the land?
"a nation formed from one which had no real recent roots there." - there have been Jews living in Israel continuously for the past 2000 years or so.
"Jews belong in Russis more than Palestine. I hope Iran nukes them all." - yep, troll day, definitely.
- foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -5/+32By far not the latest, but it will help educate you a bit.
- digitronix, on 07/17/2008, -22/+9I don't think you're thinking about it the right way. The Israelis are holding over 10,000 Palestinian prisoners, and the Palestinians are holding how many Israeli prisoners? Probably just a handful at most.
It isn't that Palestinians don't value the lives of their fellow citizens. That is a ridiculous comment. It is that they are not the big superpower that could do whatever they want in the region.- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -4/+10your a ***** idiot, congratulations. How many criminals is the us holding? or any country for that matter? I'll say this once: HOLDING CRIMINALS IS NOT A ***** INJUSTICE! the people in israeli custody are people like those released today; convicted cold blood murderers aka terrorists who have either aided or attempted attacks TARGETING INNOCENTS. If someone commits a crime such as murder, they will be incarcerated. One terrorist released today smashed the head of a 4 year old girl with his bare hands, merely for being israeli, right after he killed her father in front of her. And people whine when israel shuts down the power for Gaza. Oh... The inhumane treatment. If only the aid that israel gave to Gaza to rebuild itself into a respectable society which it was before they got it and destroyed everything wasnt immediately turned into weapons targeting innocent people (Pipes meant for the sewage system that were given by israel are, instead, turned into Qassam rockets and shot into a city called Sderot,targeting nobody in particular, just israeli lives )
and palestinians dont have many prisoners because, as indicated by the dynamic of the swap today, they kill whoever they can, while israel tries to preserve all human life, even those who are undeserving, like terrorists and child murderers.
So i have one question for you....Do you think before you speak? - digitronix, on 07/17/2008, -8/+3I would love to talk to you about my comment, but you don't sound like a very civil person. Maybe if you were to rephrase your comment with a more respectful tone, I will be willing to read it. So I'm not going to bother even reading it.
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5How many criminals is the us holding? or any country for that matter? I'll say this once: HOLDING CRIMINALS IS NOT A INJUSTICE! the people in israeli custody are people like those released today; convicted cold blood murderers aka terrorists who have either aided or attempted attacks TARGETING INNOCENTS. If someone commits a crime such as murder, they will be incarcerated. One terrorist released today smashed the head of a 4 year old girl with his bare hands, merely for being israeli, right after he killed her father in front of her. And people whine when israel shuts down the power for Gaza. Oh... The inhumane treatment. If only the aid that israel gave to Gaza to rebuild itself into a respectable society which it was before they got it and destroyed everything wasnt immediately turned into weapons targeting innocent people (Pipes meant for the sewage system that were given by israel are, instead, turned into Qassam rockets and shot into a city called Sderot,targeting nobody in particular, just israeli lives )
and palestinians dont have many prisoners because, as indicated by the dynamic of the swap today, they kill whoever they can, while israel tries to preserve all human life, even those who are undeserving, like terrorists and child murderers.
No excuses now... - digitronix, on 07/17/2008, -6/+1The concept of holding criminals is not unjust, but the way Israel holds Palestinians without privilege of a trial (even if they are cold-blooded terrorists), and the way Israel tortures its prisoners, yes, Israel is currently one of the most unjust governments on the planet.
You must not read the news much, because the Israelis dropped cluster bombs in civilian portions of Lebanon in their 2006 retaliation. Another example: Google "Qana massacre". This is no compassionate country you're talking about. Your claim that "Israel tries to preserve all human life" is somewhat laughable.
Do you know how many Palestinians have been displaced from their homes by Israel? 7 million. What sort of benevolent democracy denies people right to their own property? Maybe you need to feel how it is like to be kicked out of your own home.
And by no means are Palestinians all Muslims, as many ignorantly believe; a large percentage are Christians. Yet Americans seem accustomed to thinking of Arab Palestinians as crazy-eyed Islamofacists bent on the destruction of the Jewish people and the imposition of an Islamic state. I suspect you are one of them.
So I have a question for you... do you ever do any research before you spout out on things you really aren't too sure about? - sn4ke666, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3Sir, perhaps you do "research", but referencing events and twisting them is hardly going to pass as legitimate argument.
Simply for the sake of balance, I'll respond to several of your claims. When militants fire on Israeli towns, using a civilian neighborhood as a meat shields, Israeli planes dropped thousands of pamphlets in English and Arabic warning all civilians to evacuate the area, as it was being hijacked by terrorists, before the responded to the fire. What Arab autocracy or terrorist organization exercised that kind of concern for civilians in their past wars with Israel. Certainly not the militants using children as shields!
Sir, you also claim Israel has displaced 7 million Palestinian Arabs from their homes. This is nonsense. On the territory which is now Israel, there were 950,000 Arabs in 1948. Of these, 800,000 fled or were expelled when 7 Arab countries declared war on Israel. At the same time 856,000 Jews fled or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries: i.e. a population exchange occur ed. This is nowhere near the number you mentioned, and does not seem nearly as exceptional when viewed in context.
Research, of course, but also, try to be fair to history. - digitronix, on 07/17/2008, -2/+1Oh, I'm sure Hezbollah had the capability to use their planes to drop pamphlets on Israel Cities before they fired missiles at them. And I'm pretty sure dropping pamphlets warning before you bomb the hell out of them justifies the action.
When studying history, you need to look at things at the point of view of the losers, and people never give this proper consideration. We're talking about a third-world status nation that can't afford a modern military such as what Israel has. I don't see why people like you, tazd1010, and kenjonesmd have a hard time making this connection. Being part of a superpower, our concept of a valid means of waging war is something that is completely unattainable for a third world country.
Actually, your numbers about Palestinian refugees are wrong.
http://www.palestine-pmc.com/details.asp?cat=3&id= ...
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -4/+10your a ***** idiot, congratulations. How many criminals is the us holding? or any country for that matter? I'll say this once: HOLDING CRIMINALS IS NOT A ***** INJUSTICE! the people in israeli custody are people like those released today; convicted cold blood murderers aka terrorists who have either aided or attempted attacks TARGETING INNOCENTS. If someone commits a crime such as murder, they will be incarcerated. One terrorist released today smashed the head of a 4 year old girl with his bare hands, merely for being israeli, right after he killed her father in front of her. And people whine when israel shuts down the power for Gaza. Oh... The inhumane treatment. If only the aid that israel gave to Gaza to rebuild itself into a respectable society which it was before they got it and destroyed everything wasnt immediately turned into weapons targeting innocent people (Pipes meant for the sewage system that were given by israel are, instead, turned into Qassam rockets and shot into a city called Sderot,targeting nobody in particular, just israeli lives )
- foopirata, on 07/17/2008, -11/+26Sorry, digitronix, but people that value life do not engage in suicide bombing or keep their people's life in the gutter on purpose.
They sit down and talk about issues until a compromise is reached.- warsongs7, on 07/17/2008, -10/+3That compromise being "inadvertently" murdering civilians while waging war on militants fighting for their own lives.
- foopirata, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8are you stupid by design or by accident?
- Mikhail101, on 07/17/2008, -19/+8kenjone that is quite the statement care to back it up? Or your pro-israel propaganda is full of *****
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -2/+8Yea, how about the exchange that took place today? And the fact the "other side" either exploits by brainwashed desperate men, women and children (they dont descriminate) by having them carry out suicide bombing in civilian areas... or just makes them into bombs, unbeknown to them! Lovely how they take care of their people! (And the people doing this- Hamas- is a terrorist organization which calls for the destruction of israel in its charter, which was voted into power in Gaza) So yea, they like to keep their people downtrodden, so that theyre more easily coerced. Without the fear and hate, there would be no power.
Which makes me think... do you read anything pro-israel or anti-palestinian... or is your "palestine" propaganda full of *****? ...Making you spew without thinking
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -2/+8Yea, how about the exchange that took place today? And the fact the "other side" either exploits by brainwashed desperate men, women and children (they dont descriminate) by having them carry out suicide bombing in civilian areas... or just makes them into bombs, unbeknown to them! Lovely how they take care of their people! (And the people doing this- Hamas- is a terrorist organization which calls for the destruction of israel in its charter, which was voted into power in Gaza) So yea, they like to keep their people downtrodden, so that theyre more easily coerced. Without the fear and hate, there would be no power.
- Soragon, on 07/17/2008, -3/+9There was around 200 dead corpes that were handed over and 7 alive soldiers. One was imprisoned for 29 years. All this for 2 dead Israeli soldiers.
- beatles901, on 07/18/2008, -1/+2200 dead soldiers from the other side that have gone unnoticed by a racially biased media :
- RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -11/+6Silly people fighting over imaginary beings in the sky. What next... witch burnings?
The only proper justification for calling the land "holy" is when talking about the holes left behind by the bullets.
Pathetic.- DrDreyfus, on 07/17/2008, -1/+8Most Jews in Israel are secular.
They fight for their friends and family who live there - not God.
- DrDreyfus, on 07/17/2008, -1/+8Most Jews in Israel are secular.
- pitlord, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6Samir Kuntar - a new hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS6NyrexKlk&feature ...
>.>
- foopirata, on 07/16/2008, -21/+33"I know the Empire of the United States hold jewish citizens of Israel in higher regard than its own citizens and soldiers" - care to prove that?
- Macrophage, on 07/16/2008, -34/+29No One Left Behind !
I agree with Israels decision 1000%
To bad Nixon did'nt feel the same way during Vietnam.
PEACE
John GrassRoots for OBAMA in 08 and 2012
Veteran USN/USCG HM2 1978-1988- selmer, on 07/17/2008, -2/+17At what price? They are dead, and they gave up a guy who killed a 4 year old? I get the whole peace thing and I am for it, but *****, at least put a bullet in the ***** who killed the kid and swap bodies.
- pickypg, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4Yeah, because Obama is going to really be working in your interests if you really believe that...
- neaveru, on 07/16/2008, -8/+62Can someone explain to me why Kantar is considered a hero? I'm not following the logic.
From my perspective, if an American soldier did something heroic, like went out and found Osama Bin Laden, killed him, but then also purposely killed some little kids that happened to be in his way, I'd consider him a murderer.
I'd say if Hezbollah sent Kantar to prison (in Lebanon) after he was returned, I, as well as many other people I think, would completely rethink our stance on them.- jabberwolf, on 07/16/2008, -13/+36Killing a bound captured father and a little girl is a brave thing for Palestinians and Hezbollah.
They are national heroes!! - audiomodder, on 07/17/2008, -17/+9Middle East culture is completely different than here. You don't just kill a man, you kill his family too, because his household is just as guilty as he is.
- warsongs7, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2and you would know because?.....
- Djangology, on 07/17/2008, -2/+2Why is that Neaveru? I do not particularly see a difference between getting into a house slaughtering children and ordering entire neighborhoods full of people to be bulldozed, or throwing gigantic bombs on apartment buildings full of people to assasinate a single man (which is entirely against international law by the way), or killing a wheel chair bound man with a white flag over its head by bulldozing him?
Kantar is a murderer but you would be very foolish to think that Hizbullah is the only faction to honor child killers.
- bepart, on 07/17/2008, -19/+5Hi,
Although I disagree with the Lebanese's calling him a hero, I can understand why
if you look at the statistics there are a lot more Palestinians and Lebanese kids killed by Israel. (see http://www.dci-pal.org/english/home.cfm or http://www.ifamericansknew.org/ ). When a 16-years old child killed 3 people including a child, and made a woman so frightened that she had to kill her own daughter to stop her crying as they hid, they (wrongly) see it as justice- xexx, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2It's almost like it's a war that one side's winning.
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5I dont know the credibility of that website... The palestine one...
Take things with a grain of salt.
It doesnt mention israel doesnt target civilians or children.
It doesnt mention how much were collateral damage.
It doesnt mention how many were threataning the lives of innocent israelis- it wouldnt be the first time there was a child suicide bomber or child throwing a molotov cocktail... or even shooting firearms. - RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -7/+2Why the negative diggs? The truth hurts?
Pathetic. I hope you are proud to be killing those children from miles away with your warplanes.
And you wonder why the other side fires rockets at you... - bepart, on 07/17/2008, -2/+2to tazd1010 who thinks an international website is a palestinian one, here are the statistics from an israeli website
http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/
http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Casualti ...
http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Minors_i ... - tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2i was referring to the first website which was the one i looked at. the palestinian one. second one still doesnt mention what i said. Neither do any of yours. doesnt specify militants or civilians.
And your first and third websites are detainees... doesnt say what they have done. Find me a person who is detained by israel who isnt a criminal. I dont care about the race.
The second... if you read about casualties of palestinians by israeli civilians... it lists the circumstances... each one had just committed a murder of atleast one person. What a joke. Good way to back up your point. - bepart, on 07/17/2008, -3/+2how about the other categories? there were 948 Palestinian minors killed by Israeli security forces, the last fatality was
"Hadil 'Abd al-Karim Suliman a-Samayri -- 6 year-old resident of al-Qarara, Rafah district, killed on 11.06.2008 in al-Qarara, Rafah district, by gunfire, from a tank. Did not participate in hostilities when killed. Additional information: Killed while standing with her father at the entrance to her house. About 1.5 kilometers away, there was an exchange of gunfire between Palestinians and soldiers."
whose murder did she commit? - sn4ke666, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3bepart:
"there was an exchange of gunfire between Palestinians and soldiers" She was cought in crossfire. How is that equivelent to a man purposely beating in the face of a 4 year old?
- Shabonkerz, on 07/17/2008, -9/+3That is kinda a bad analogy. If killing Osama Bin Laden requires killing a few children then it should be done considering that killing Osama Bin Laden will prevent other children from being killed.
- ZenMojo, on 07/17/2008, -2/+6Thanks for explaining the mindset of warmongers.
- DrDreyfus, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Machiavelli is that you?
- pighead77, on 07/17/2008, -12/+3Wow...how many US or Israeli fighter pilots killed innocent women and children (that's a fact) knowingly (that's the thing you can never prove true or false), and all of them are regarded national heroes and we need to "support" our troops?
- MariusC, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3Wow, you are a pigheaded moron.
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2u arent serious are u? were you a premature baby?
- musagha, on 07/17/2008, -5/+2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah
- revenge is a strong motive.- sn4ke666, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2He was killed by his own. Used as a pawn.
- jabberwolf, on 07/16/2008, -13/+36Killing a bound captured father and a little girl is a brave thing for Palestinians and Hezbollah.
- PolishLogic, on 07/16/2008, -37/+49Israel should have two words for them: Carpet bomb.
This will not turn out well for Hezbollah. ***** 8th century savages.- medfreak, on 07/16/2008, -20/+22That worked out so well in 2006. Israel actually carpet bombed the south and southern Beirut.
- PolishLogic, on 07/16/2008, -15/+18Meaning they didn't do a thorough enough job.
Hitting the helicopters on their way out of the exchange, then nailing the crowd that gathered to celebrate the return would have been a good start. When you get so many Hezbollah supporters in one place at one time, you need to capitalize on it. - Kizilbash, on 07/16/2008, -12/+13They also carpet bombed and used white phosphorus and cluster bombs on Beirut in 1982. But I guess they didn't kill enough civilians for PolishLogic. Israel is EXACTLY the same as Hezbollah and Hamas, only on a much larger scale.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -2/+7Actually it DID work.
Hezbollah were crying like little bitches and begging the UN to stop the mean Israelis from attacking them.
Israel should have not attacked poor Hezbollah while they launched over 4000 missiles into Israel! - pintomp3, on 07/17/2008, -6/+3don't forget the cluster bombs:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5299938.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/29/israel ...
http://www.forward.com/articles/back-bill-to-ban-c ... - medfreak, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1@jabberwolf
Hezbollah didn't even flinch when Israel attacked them. The only one that cried was the Siniora Prime Minister who is in bed with Israel and the US.
- PolishLogic, on 07/16/2008, -15/+18Meaning they didn't do a thorough enough job.
- wishninja, on 07/17/2008, -4/+12Genocide FTW? I think I'll pass on that one.
- pintomp3, on 07/17/2008, -8/+14"Carpet bomb." how is that not terrorism?
- AgmLauncher, on 07/17/2008, -3/+3Fighting terrorism with terrorism is perfectly valid. Eye for an eye. Some good middle eastern justice for them :)
At any rate, killing bad people to save the lives of good people is inherently moral.
- AgmLauncher, on 07/17/2008, -3/+3Fighting terrorism with terrorism is perfectly valid. Eye for an eye. Some good middle eastern justice for them :)
- Beastmasta, on 07/17/2008, -6/+4I thought there was nothing more offensive than your comment. Then i noticed people dugg you up...
- iizh, on 07/17/2008, -5/+5Agree with the savages part, but savages should be taught to be civil, not murdered.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4100 years trying and your family isnt the one dying trying.
- warsongs7, on 07/17/2008, -6/+1What do you mean by savages? these are the same people who were at one time at the forefront of science, art and culture, just like America is now. They were the ones that brought the concept of the '0' to the world when Europe was festering in the Dark Ages, where pestilence, filth and savageness was rampant. It is all just history repeating itself. One day the inevitable will happen and the US will lose its leadership and then we will know the magnitude of the atrocities committed while they were in their prime. Just wait and see....
- iizh, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5I was referring to Hezbollah, not Muslims or Lebanese. Jeez. Also, minor correction: 0 comes from India, not Muslims. You will only hurt your point (a valid one) if you attribute things to them that shouldn't be.
- Djangology, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1Well, although I believe that it is not the place to continue this side-discussion, I cannot help but modify your correction. The concept of zero does indeed come from India. But it was the persian mathematician Khwarizmi who acquired it and organized it in the form it was introduced to all around the world. It
- medfreak, on 07/16/2008, -20/+22That worked out so well in 2006. Israel actually carpet bombed the south and southern Beirut.
- spkrcity, on 07/16/2008, -44/+40"Hezbollah demonstrates again that some human beings are just two legged animals"
Buried for stupid description.- digggggggggg, on 07/17/2008, -4/+4As much as I have to agree with the description, I'd have to agree with spkrcity and say that the description of a NEWS article should be more or less objective. For this article, the entire description is commentary.
- medfreak, on 07/16/2008, -42/+7Great victory for Lebanon. There is a great sense of unity amongst all sectors of the Lebanese people including Christians, Druz, Sunni's and Shiate.
- dkapuchino, on 07/17/2008, -8/+20If only we all could feel great unity standing behind our own child murderers.
Child murderers. Making the world a better place. - petard, on 07/17/2008, -4/+21Trust me, the Christians do NOT like Hezbollah.
- Soragon, on 07/17/2008, -4/+1Unless you are talking about General Aoun. He does not LIKE him, but he does not LOATHE him.
- medfreak, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1Sorry, why should I "trust" you again?
- iizh, on 07/17/2008, -4/+13Lebanon is a failed state. And no, there is no real unity in the country. Occasionally Israel does something and you all whine and bitch together as one country, but I wouldn't call that unity.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -5/+11Yeah , there is no surprise they are celebrating.
Hezbollah was utterly beaten but kidnapped 2 soldiers from Israel and killed them while captive. Yep brave and honorable! That's muslim arabs for ya! - Soragon, on 07/17/2008, -3/+8I don't know who you are but there is NO sense of unity among the Lebanese people. It's all Harriri and Geagea vs. Aoun and then there is Hezbollah and Jemblat (noone knows what side he is on). If you call that unity then...
- dkapuchino, on 07/17/2008, -8/+20If only we all could feel great unity standing behind our own child murderers.
- Yakubovich, on 07/16/2008, -5/+43Qantar's crime was the murder of a policeman, a father and daughter. While in Israeli prison, Qantar graduated from university and got married. His wife received a stipend from the government due to her husband being a prisoner.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -6/+17What ? What about all the Israeli torture!!?!?
They must have made him study hard, that's gotta be against the Geneva convention!! - 4UIDigg, on 07/17/2008, -2/+6not only is it sad that he received all these luxuries, but the morals of those who provided this child murderer with all these luxuries are even more saddening
- mrburgundy, on 07/17/2008, -6/+4education is a right.
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4who said education is a right?
but you know what IS a self evident right?
The right to live.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -6/+17What ? What about all the Israeli torture!!?!?
- lucy22, on 07/16/2008, -3/+25it is too bad they arent still alive.
- jabberwolf, on 07/16/2008, -25/+50"In the Gaza Strip, controlled by the violently anti-Israel Hamas group, people celebrated in the streets and handed out sweets in support of Hezbollah. " in other news.
This does not happen in Israel, but liberals seem to think that dealing with Palestinians is an easy job.
Lest they forget they also celebrated in the streets after 9/11 !!!
AND DIGG HAS STILL NOT MADE THIS A POPULAR STORY !!
And yes it falls within it its algorithm.- mst3kcrow, on 07/17/2008, -6/+6Yes, all liberals must think that way. Oh if your infinite wisdom could show them the light.
- alaskanassassin, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3they sure do enjoy in group think.
- mst3kcrow, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3Your same blanket statement can be said for republicans, vegans, car salesmen, etc. and fail just as easily.
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -2/+8oh comon dont be so carping. Check out any other article on digg that mentions israel... youll find most will cast it in a negative light and most condemn israel for attempting to deal with the 24/7, 360 degree threats on its existence; always trying to protect as many lives on both sides. Yes, there is occasinally collateral damage, but the targets exploit the fact they dont have the world to asnwer to... so they disregard human life and take advantage of Israel's civilized demeanor and obligations... hiding in hospitals and exploiting women and children!
- fuse13, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1hi tazd1010. Is it ok if i think both sides are immoral liars? or do i have to pick one side and decide they are 100% good and the other is 100% bad?
- erydan, on 07/17/2008, -17/+4Israelis were celebrating 9/11 too.
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/7261
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS89vNH-eeY
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.htm ...- KlassyGuy, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Don't forget there is always a conflicting minority, freedom of speech allows this. I'd like to see that in some other middle eastern country.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -2/+14erydan
"Israelis were celebrating 9/11 too."
Actually that was debunked for a couple of Israeli kids working as movers standing on a moving van watching. The old woman that reported them was disgruntled and complained about damages during the move. Verified by NYPD.
You FAIL for not looking up conspiracy theories! - QsheiK, on 07/17/2008, -8/+6Similarily, it was proven that the footage of the Palestinians who were celebrating 9/11 was actually footage of Palestinians celebrating after their their team won a soccer game in some national middle eastern league.
Unfortunately (or fortunately perhaps), the door swings both ways.- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7theres alot more than one account of the arabs all over the m iddle east jeering though... like eye witnesses... did all their teams win?
- fuse13, on 07/17/2008, -5/+2yeah you are right tazd1010. all arabs are terrorists that danced through the streets and killed some babies for good measure. we dont need no damn proof.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Actually it was NOT proven that it was after a soccer game.
Unless giving thanks to Osama for a gift... is part of their cheering?!!
Honestly look it up!
That was just more Pali propaganda to cover up their bad behavior.
You'll see it again soon about the Hezbollah exchange or at least an attempt.
- sn4ke666, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Why is the israeli/palestinian issue always portrayed as a liberal/conservative debate?
- Monk22, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1liberals usually side with palestine and conservatives usually side with israel
- sn4ke666, on 07/22/2008, -0/+1Yah, I know. Why?
- mst3kcrow, on 07/17/2008, -6/+6Yes, all liberals must think that way. Oh if your infinite wisdom could show them the light.
- EnigmaOX, on 07/16/2008, -25/+9Good, Let Israel learn in the hard way like everybody else
Those are soldiers died in a battle zone and only 2 why are they whining about them like that,
in Iraq more soldiers die there every day.
"Israel was also to transfer to Lebanon the remains of 199 Palestinian and Hezbollah"
And many many more lost their family and their lovers and no one shows them any respect.
My sorrow to the families in both sides- jabberwolf, on 07/16/2008, -7/+16"Those are soldiers died in a battle zone and only 2 "
Those solderies were kidnapped in Israel when Hezbollah crossed the border.
""Israel was also to transfer to Lebanon the remains of 199 Palestinian and Hezbollah""
Those were Hezbollah killed in battle that were lying about the Israeli soldier before.
Also Israel is returning 5 LIVE Hezbollah captured soldiers, captured on Israel soil.
They should probably shoot 2 of the worst, then return 3 live soldiers and 2 dead.- writie, on 07/18/2008, -1/+1"Those solderies were kidnapped in Israel when Hezbollah crossed the border."
The word you are looking for is "captured".
And why weren't the 199 bodies returned earlier?
- writie, on 07/18/2008, -1/+1"Those solderies were kidnapped in Israel when Hezbollah crossed the border."
- dkapuchino, on 07/17/2008, -2/+9If there's any people that have learned things the hard way, it's Israel. You don't really get it any harder than what these people have been dealt for the past century.
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5Thats not serious is it?
First of all its the exchange thats the biggest deal... What israel is giving and receiving
Second 8 other people died the day they were kidnapped
Its not the number of people who died which is the outrage, although it should be, its the treatment of the entire situation by hezbollah.
Jewish tradition calls for the immediate burial of bodies, and these kids' families did not even know if their loved ones were dead or alive.
Read about the benefits the prisoners got in israeli jails.
Fair?
- jabberwolf, on 07/16/2008, -7/+16"Those are soldiers died in a battle zone and only 2 "
- talula76, on 07/16/2008, -12/+68If you want to read more about Samir "National Hero" Kuntar, especially how he killed a 4-year old child (crushing her skull with the butt of his rifle, after killing her father in front of her eyes), look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Kuntar
And the state of Lebanon is giving this man a hero's welcome.- flawless2c, on 07/17/2008, -28/+8We dont know for sure what happened that night in 1979.For sure a small child was killed,(possibly accidentally?!) but that doesnt make Qantar a psychopathic monster as portrayed by the Israeli media. He was a 16 year old kid in a war. At the time Israel was occupying parts of South Lebanon and hundreds of Lebanese children were being killed and maimed, so resistance was legitimate.
- wishninja, on 07/17/2008, -25/+5never try to inject reason into this. Israel=good Arabs=bad or you will be buried.
- foopirata, on 07/17/2008, -2/+241. His attack was in 1979. Israel only occupied southern Lebanon in 1982.
2. How exactly do you shoot someone in the back and throw them in the ocean, then smash a 4 year old girl's skull between a rock and a rifle butt "by accident" ?
Be an apologist as much as you want, but at least try to keep a tab on facts before. - Spartycus, on 07/17/2008, -1/+26If a Western soldier (European, American, even Israeli) soldier murdered a child in this manner, they would be arrested and convicted of a first degree homicide. To say, "in a time of war" is a ***** response. Its one thing to have innocents caught in a crossfire. This happens and as wars become more of an urban affair, will increasingly happen. However, to flat out destroy a childs skull with the butt of a rifle? What excuse can you offer for that? "Well, she was an Israeli, so she and her family deserved to die." That seems to be the message Hezbollah wants the world to see.
- natenovs, on 07/17/2008, -1/+22possibly accidentally?!?!?!
"Kuntar then dragged the toddler a couple of feet to the closest rock he could find and laid her head down on a rock, with the intention of crushing it with the butt of his rifle. Einat, instinctively covered her head with her arms, Kuntar struggled with the toddler until he finally managed to clear her arms out of the way. Once her arms were out of the way, Kuntar repeatedly beat her on the head with the butt of his rifle and stomping on her body, until blood rushed out of her ears and mouth. Then, to ensure she was dead, Kuntar continued beating her over the head until her skull was crushed and she was dead." - txchica, on 07/17/2008, -1/+13There is never any justification for killing a child, war or no war. And the fact that these soldiers were kidnapped and then returned in a coffin says a lot about the intentions of Hezbollah, and still people are out there trying to justify this behavior. Sad.
Here's something to ponder, this killer's mom is now able to hug and kiss him, while the families of those soldiers can only cry and mourn, fair trade? Closure? Maybe, maybe not, only the families will know for sure. But I can tell you this, I would not rest until the killer of my son/daughter was found and punished. - DreadPirate, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8This is the third time flawless2c has posted this same lame excuse for this criminal's actions. I find it rather telling that in each case, flawless2c behaves in typical digg coward fashion by running from each thread. No answers to the rebuttals that many different people raise, just cowardly silence.
- wpi97, on 07/17/2008, -0/+8@flawless2c
"We dont know for sure what happened that night in 1979.For sure a small child was killed,(possibly accidentally?!) but that doesnt make Qantar a psychopathic monster as portrayed by the Israeli media. He was a 16 year old kid in a war."
What? A 16 year old kid, who smashes the head of a four year old girl with the butt of his rifle is a psychopathic monster. Period. And so are you for trying to make up ***** arguments in his defense.
- flawless2c, on 07/17/2008, -28/+8We dont know for sure what happened that night in 1979.For sure a small child was killed,(possibly accidentally?!) but that doesnt make Qantar a psychopathic monster as portrayed by the Israeli media. He was a 16 year old kid in a war. At the time Israel was occupying parts of South Lebanon and hundreds of Lebanese children were being killed and maimed, so resistance was legitimate.
- GuacamoleSan, on 07/16/2008, -24/+44Why don't the Palestinians have a country? The West Bank is there for them. It has been there for them. Oh, and the fact that.....THE ENTIRE REGION IS MUSLIM. They could...go to one of the countless Muslim countries instead of trying to "push Israel into the sea". It's heartbreaking to see Israel have to trade dangerous insurgents just to get their dead soldiers back, and then have Muslims pretend like they don't have a home in the area. Imagine being Israel surrounded by angry countries wanting to destroy you, simply because they didn't like you.
- kojaa, on 07/16/2008, -9/+8As far as I know Palestinians want to create their country on the West Wank and Gaza, isn't that what there negotiating with Israel?, I thought both Israel and the Palestinians have already agreed to the two state solution.
- DreadPirate, on 07/16/2008, -5/+21Not Hamas, whose charter specifically calls for the destruction of Israel.
- Kizilbash, on 07/16/2008, -16/+8Not Israel which keeps building settlements in the West Bank, making a state there impossible and making life a living hell for the Palestinian population still left there.
- halapid, on 07/17/2008, -3/+3So sorry, read my comment on this subject. I don't have time to explain it to you again. The camps have been there for over 60 years! These people should have been relocated 59 years ago. Ask the other Arab states why they won't let them have a place to live....could it be because they are a drain on their ecomomy? Is it because they have learned to hate and be violent? Would you like to live next door to someone like that? Or even thinks like that? I know I wouldn't.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -10/+23This is WHY Israel pulled settlers out of Gaza.
If you dont remember, the settlers were dragged out kicking and screaming.
How did Palestinians repay this freedom? They supported Hamas which mandates the destruction of Israel and supports terrorist activities against them.
The west thinks that being nice and reasonable results in mutual results in return.
In reality, and (especially with a Palestinian run government) this region sees compromise, being nice, and reasonable as a weakness to take advantage of. This has always been the case for centuries.- elister, on 07/17/2008, -6/+5Yeah the thing about Hamas is, the previous Fatah government (run by Arafat) was so corrupt that ANYONE was better. Hamas spent money on schools, they policed their neighborhoods, fought Israel soldiers when they came in looking for human shields (aka Palestinian citizens) to knock on doors (in case of booby traps), they defended the community. I'm not saying it was right (both sides are retarded for thinking this can keep going on for another 50 years), but when people are desperate, they'll vote for anyone. Hell Hamas probably has more respect, WORLDWIDE, than the Bush Administration! I can trust Hamas to admit to attacks, where as I wouldn't trust Bush himself telling me that the sky is blue.
Hamas still has the destruction of Israel on their charter. Guess what? So did the PLO. They removed that clause with former President Clinton present to witness it the event in 1998. 10 years ago! Same thing can happen with Hamas, give it time and effort. They fought Israel the only way they knew how, with guns. They just need to drop their arms and work politically to achieve their goals.
Oh and you REALLY want to know who was rewarded for removing settlers? Ariel Sharon. Yeah he was given a shiny new COMA for his efforts. - ZenMojo, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5You do realize that settlers are going back INTO Gaza and West Bank, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement#Se ...
- elister, on 07/17/2008, -6/+5Yeah the thing about Hamas is, the previous Fatah government (run by Arafat) was so corrupt that ANYONE was better. Hamas spent money on schools, they policed their neighborhoods, fought Israel soldiers when they came in looking for human shields (aka Palestinian citizens) to knock on doors (in case of booby traps), they defended the community. I'm not saying it was right (both sides are retarded for thinking this can keep going on for another 50 years), but when people are desperate, they'll vote for anyone. Hell Hamas probably has more respect, WORLDWIDE, than the Bush Administration! I can trust Hamas to admit to attacks, where as I wouldn't trust Bush himself telling me that the sky is blue.
- itstodd, on 07/17/2008, -13/+10your asking muslims to be reasonable... good luck with that.
- mst3kcrow, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7Myself, my muslim roommate, his family, and friends don't find it that hard.
- itstodd, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3i really wish you were in the majority
- mst3kcrow, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1I should elaborate: I myself am an atheist and I get along very well with him, his family, and his friends who are Muslim. His family is from Pakistan and moved to the US. I see how my previous statement was confusing, sorry.
- halapid, on 07/17/2008, -3/+17Palestinians do not have a state of their own.? I guess you can call those refugee camps that have been in existance for nearly 60 years their home.... My parents were in a displaced person's camp after WW2, run by the British, those camps were dismantled after their job was done. They relocated thousands of people that survived the war, and then their job was finished and the camps were dismantled. Why are the Palestinians still in camps after all this time? Because none of their neighbors want them relocated to THEIR countries. No one wants a bunch of "generationally poor" people in Jordan, or Egypt, or Lebanon, or anywhere else for that matter. I feel sorry for them, because they have been there for 3 generations now, and life can not be easy in those camps. I can not imagine living in one of those camps, even for a week, let alone 60 years.....
- RoflcopterFUEL, on 07/17/2008, -3/+4The surrounding countries are under no obligation to take them in. Why did you rule out relocating them TO THEIR REAL COUNTRY?
- Mesmorize, on 07/18/2008, -1/+1@ROFL You mean Syria, Egypt and Jordan where they are from ethnically and genetically? How about another country with a 'Palestinian' majority - Jordan?
"Their real country" you make me laugh.
- elister, on 07/17/2008, -5/+4Probably for the same reason why South Africa doesn't want Zimbabwe citizens flooding into their country, or Mormons in Utah deciding to move to Italy. Different class of people, different religions. If you didn't know (and it sounds like you dont) Iraq, you know, the country the USA is currently occupying, is made of THREE totally different groups of people, separated by different religious factions. Based on your idiotic statement, just because they worship Mohamed doesn't make them brothers and sisters. Neighboring countries wont take Palestinians in anymore than Israel will let in all the Mormons in Utah, it will dilute their nationality. You might as well write a school essay saying slavery was ok because waring African tribes sold their enemies into slavery in America.
Are you stupid or something? Are you that naive to think that all Muslims are alike, that all of them share a single religion?
Jews should have never left the region.- Micropolis, on 07/17/2008, -4/+2If they are not all alike then why do they all take up the cause of the PALS.
The PALS should have never left???
Your own arguments can be used against you. - tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4learn your history.
Jews were expelled by their various kings and dispersed around the world. It was not exactly their choice. - Mesmorize, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1It would Dilute a Jordanian ethnicity that is already 85% Palestinian?
- Micropolis, on 07/17/2008, -4/+2If they are not all alike then why do they all take up the cause of the PALS.
- toowired77, on 07/17/2008, -4/+2"simply because they don't like you" - I wish the world was that simple. "They just don't like us" sounds childish. Here is an idea:Continental America is full of Spanish speaking people, why don't English speaking people just move to England. That way, the entire continent can speak Spanish (Portuguese in Brazil, but still Latin speaking). Israel must lose this demographic obsession. You cannot socially engineer the Middle East by pushing people out of their homes.
- DrDreyfus, on 07/17/2008, -2/+41. Jews paid for the land
2. The entire point of Israel is that there's a Jewish majority.
3. Jews aren't trying to "socially engineer" the entire Middle East - just modern Israel (excluding the West Bank and Gaza Strip).
- DrDreyfus, on 07/17/2008, -2/+41. Jews paid for the land
- kojaa, on 07/16/2008, -9/+8As far as I know Palestinians want to create their country on the West Wank and Gaza, isn't that what there negotiating with Israel?, I thought both Israel and the Palestinians have already agreed to the two state solution.
- Hetman, on 07/16/2008, -26/+4Isreal should move then. The holy land is pathetic. Someone should destroy the entire region and then poisone the ground water so no one can ever live there again. Then there would be nothing to fight over.
- DrDreyfus, on 07/16/2008, -4/+14Most Israelis are secular and live in Israel for cultural/historical reasons.
You obviously don't intend to be taken seriously because (hopefully) you pumped out that idea with zero thought. - jabberwolf, on 07/16/2008, -2/+11That or it can fight back... but then that would be wrong for some reason.
So by your logic, they shouldnt complain and just move.
But it they fight back, then the arab countries should remain and complain?
I'd call that a double standard but we all know you are 2 faced, thus this is not a surprise.- Hetman, on 07/17/2008, -3/+2Two-Faces. I despise all the middle east. Regardless of what religion you practice.
- Hetman, on 07/16/2008, -9/+2My logic goes like this. Its like kids fighting over a toy. You take it away from both of them. If they cannot act like intelligent civilized adults neither of them deserve the holy land.
- DrDreyfus, on 07/16/2008, -1/+12These aren't ***** children.
The Israeli/Palistinian conflict is what you get when you have ***** animals who intentionally murder 4 year old children and then celebrate it. - Hetman, on 07/17/2008, -6/+2What. Both sides act like kids, the should be treated like kids.
- DrDreyfus, on 07/16/2008, -1/+12These aren't ***** children.
- pintomp3, on 07/17/2008, -6/+4b b but god promised it. he's the ultimate real estate agent. it's a state created for people of one religion, using religious prophecy as justification. but it's a secular state, honest! please keep sending us billions of your tax dollars.
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3pintop.... your right!
Its so silly that some ....Oh i forget... you know that kind of people who value life... see that regardless of how/why/when a state was established... If you and i dont agree with its right to exist, everybody living there should die! Because the State shouldnt exist! Neither should its citizens!
Damn Liberals!
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3pintop.... your right!
- DrDreyfus, on 07/16/2008, -4/+14Most Israelis are secular and live in Israel for cultural/historical reasons.
- kojaa, on 07/16/2008, -6/+18and I'm sure has spread there own made up version of what these prisoners did to make them look like heroes even though they have failed in everything they wanted to do and ended up only killing civilians and children.
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -2/+0nono you dont understand. killing a jew or an israeli, no matter who, is the requirment for a hero. Therres no need to exagerate, except maybe in the brutality of the murder.
- colincornaby, on 07/16/2008, -9/+55"The fate of the two soldiers was not known until their bodies were returned to Israel Wednesday morning."
Wow, what a douche-tacular thing to do. "Oh yeah, sure, we'll hand over those soldiers we captured..."- natenovs, on 07/17/2008, -0/+9they've done this before. once they return two isreali soldiers, but had chopped them to pieces and returned them in a box first.
- fadeout, on 07/17/2008, -9/+65Celebrating the release of a man who crushed the head of a toddler with a national day of honor...
Stay classy, Lebanon!- toowired77, on 07/17/2008, -4/+9I wonder if Lebanon is going to put the man in prison. Anyone that can kill a 4-year old in such a manner (in any manner) is a psychopath. Why is Lebanon allowing a psychopath to walk freely in their society?
- evilesttoast, on 07/17/2008, -0/+9Nope, heroes welcome when he goes back.
- Celios, on 07/17/2008, -0/+9Put in prison? He was welcomed home by the president of Lebanon himself and a national holiday was declared. He is a hero, after all! If only all of us were as brave as that poor child-killer.
- toowired77, on 07/17/2008, -4/+9I wonder if Lebanon is going to put the man in prison. Anyone that can kill a 4-year old in such a manner (in any manner) is a psychopath. Why is Lebanon allowing a psychopath to walk freely in their society?
- smokesteam, on 07/17/2008, -5/+42I dont know whether to puke(1) or cry(2) or both.
1 Hizbolah/Lebanon's celebrating a murderer as a hero
2 for the families of the two Israeli soldiers who have suffered not knowing the fates of their sons for the last two years- pintomp3, on 07/17/2008, -12/+4"1 Hizbolah/Lebanon's celebrating a murderer as a hero" israelis just elects them prime minister:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Sharon#Sabra_an ... - Soragon, on 07/17/2008, -7/+3What about the 200 dead Hezbollah soldiers and 7 who were improsioned for 29 years?
I mean, I am against Hezbollah, but shouldn't ou also feel sorry for the families of those people?- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -2/+7a) NO Theyre cold blooded murderers. Read what they were incarcerated for (ex Killing a 4 year old girl).
b) The families get benefits, such as a steipend, for their loved one being in jail for murder. Plus the inmate got to enjoy the comforts of getting an education in prison. Tough life. I wonder which the israelis would have preferred... - Soragon, on 07/17/2008, -2/+1^ I guess so. But we can't really tell the real truth, can we? I mean, maybe there are other things we don't know about.
- tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -2/+7a) NO Theyre cold blooded murderers. Read what they were incarcerated for (ex Killing a 4 year old girl).
- pintomp3, on 07/17/2008, -12/+4"1 Hizbolah/Lebanon's celebrating a murderer as a hero" israelis just elects them prime minister:
- itstodd, on 07/17/2008, -7/+37I have read people comparing Israel to the evil of Hezbollah and then i read stories like this. I may not know all the ins and outs that make up peoples opinions on who the good guy is but when i read this, i know who is evil.
- Cam_86, on 07/17/2008, -2/+20Exactly. Its a very complex issue, but the big take away should be:
Israel does not target civilians
Israel does not execute prisoners.
The arabs in the region could have a bulletproof rational for what they are doing, and it STILL wouldnt make them look like the good guys simply because they use the dirtiest, sleaziest, most vile tactics for getting what they want. And because of that, EVERYONE who get a impartial report of whats going on in the region has such a hard time siding them them.- DigDugDigger, on 07/17/2008, -11/+3Israel may not specifically target civilians per say, but they do fire freely without identifying their targets. Very often they do kill civilians.
- fuse13, on 07/17/2008, -6/+2Look, for all the implications that are often made that the various factions facing Israel are great liars, they are really pretty terrible at it. Sure they spin, but its pretty hopeless. Bad photoshops, manufactured stories. Israel is much better at it. They manage to bomb civilians, use human shields, do all sorts of things and get to say "woops we didnt mean it, our bad!"
If you buy Israels spin you are as foolish as those who swallow the other sides bull. This is a vile conflict and until the world stops picking sides I dont think it is going to end. - writie, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1"Israel does not execute prisoners".
In many cases, Israel does not take prisoners. There have been countless cases of assassinations in the West Bank and Lebanon. In these cases, there are no prisoners, no trials, no presumption of innocence and no recourse. The current ceasefire with Hamas was almost jeopardised on day 2 when an Israeli hit squad took out two people in the West Bank. One was shot in the head while hiding under the bed.
Then there are the cases of the hundreds of people arrested and still waiting for a trial years later.
We could go on like this, picking out Hizbollah and Israeli breaches of human rights and common decency. Our time would be better spent trying to find the common ground and working on the issues that can actually be resolved, such as the Chebaa Farms and settlement construction.
- Cam_86, on 07/17/2008, -2/+20Exactly. Its a very complex issue, but the big take away should be:
- gcnaddict, on 07/17/2008, -12/+32This is ***** up. I feel bad for thinking Hezbollah even had a shred of humanity.
I feel terrible for the families of these two.- RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -15/+3And you feel nothing for the families killed by the attacks on the other side? How were they more legitimate?
What idiots most of you are.
Most of these comments make me laugh... I hope you all realize most diggers know you are all from the pro-Israel brigade.
Get back to your Torahs and leave the running of the world to the big boys ;-)- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -1/+7Again, showing FACTS is a zionist conspiracy or ISRAEL brigade,
Yeah go back to your fantasy world and find someone else to blame and take responsibility, as you have no knowledge of what it is. - renagadex2, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5AN EYE FOR AN EYE MAKES THE WHOLE ***** WORLD BLIND.
- RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -8/+2Israel are the good guys huh? with their war planes and tanks and missiles and billions in aid from uncle America every year to steal and occupy their land.
Those Evil penniless Palestinians with their tank penetrating rocks are the cause of all this?
Who is living in the fantasy? - Truly ask yourself. - gcnaddict, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5Read my comments: I'm hardly pro-Israel. I just think Hezbollah deserves to rot in hell for killing these two.
- bepart, on 07/17/2008, -2/+2@above: we don't know yet how the soldiers died.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -1/+7Again, showing FACTS is a zionist conspiracy or ISRAEL brigade,
- RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -15/+3And you feel nothing for the families killed by the attacks on the other side? How were they more legitimate?
- davidwasman, on 07/17/2008, -18/+17Could most of you be any more of a bigot?
I'm willing to bet none of you have never lived in Israel or the so-called Palestinian region. Even I don't know how they live over there but at least I don't go around posting racist and bigoted remarks on Digg in order to inflame the masses and belittle an entire region/people.
Digg me down all you want, racists...but shame on you. Shame.- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -2/+3Actually which part? Haifa, Netanya, Tel Aviv ?
And where have YOU actually been?!! Oh ye who criticizes others of never living in other countries? - tazd1010, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2a) to preface, yes i have lived in israel during the lebanon war in 2006 and and going there for 10 months this september again.
b) Read your history. Stating a fact that the entire region attacked israel at its inception (i wonder why... not for being a jewish state) is indisputable.
Its not belittleling anybody who doesnt deserve it. Just the governments and organizations and their supporters who instigate the attempted destruction of israel and its affiliates.
They gave a heroes welcome to child murderers. how can you defend that?- fuse13, on 07/17/2008, -3/+1@tazd1010. Well, Israel did actually attack first, so "indisputable" might be a stretch. It was a great move, however, and you were clearly about to be attacked, so fair enough.
- fuse13, on 07/17/2008, -0/+0i cant figure out if i am getting dug down for saying Israel was pre-emptive in the 6 day war or because I said it was justified. :(
- Djangology, on 07/17/2008, -1/+0Yeah so what if the entire region attacked Israel at its inception? Wouldn't it be better for all mankind if the Nazi Germany was gangbanged in 1936?
- Goodonebales, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2@Djangology, I'm sorry.....are you seriously comparing Israel to Nazi Germany? And secondly, as tazd1010 said, "the entire region attacked Israel at its inception." fuse13, Which part of that discusses the 6 day war? The War of Independence was a defensive one on Israel's part. And secondly, should we bring up the Yom Kippur War? Starting a war on Judaism's holiest day of the year.....Hmm, I wonder how America would've felt had the September 11th attacks occurred on December 25th instead.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -2/+3Actually which part? Haifa, Netanya, Tel Aviv ?
- jamessavik, on 07/17/2008, -9/+35Just when I though that there was nothing more sickening in the Middle Eastern puke-fest, Hezbollah lowers the bar.
- catkillcurious, on 07/17/2008, -9/+5God certainly ***** up when he created man.
- DeFex, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4Well its like when you make zillions of zerglings to send off in a swarm. Each one thinks its going its own way but in the end they all do what you want and die, its just so cool to watch!
- iizh, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3Dugg for StarCraft even though that didn't make sense.
- nycmac247, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3no "god" ***** up when he created monotheism - ALL these people are idiots
- Celios, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3We certainly ***** up when we created him.
- DeFex, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4Well its like when you make zillions of zerglings to send off in a swarm. Each one thinks its going its own way but in the end they all do what you want and die, its just so cool to watch!
- elister, on 07/17/2008, -26/+10Israel kills just as many babies as the next guy (America, Burma, Zimbabwe, China, etc, etc). Except they blame it on the militants "They use people as human shields", well no ***** sherlock. Everyone has a home to go to. Dogs sleep in the streets, people sleep in homes! You fire a missle into downtown Manhattan just to get at a terrorist, what the ***** do you think is going to happen and how well will it wash down with the citizens of New York when you use that lame ass excuse?
As an American, I don't consider Israel an ally to America. Used to, but not even more and I don't care how many Jews brand me a racist for having that opinion.- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -4/+7As an American, maybe you should get out and see the world more. It isnt that easy out there.
And Americans in Iraq have been forced to defend themselves when militants used civilians as human shields.They didnt want the civilians to die, but their had to defend their own lives.
And until you know that Palestinians (more so in the Gaza strip) harbor terrorists very willingly. The Palestinians teach their kids to hate ( through cartoons and other propaganda at a young young age). They teach their kids that there is no consequence for attacking or killing Israelis. They celebrate in the streets those that blow themselves up killing Israelies. They celebrated in the streets after 911 ( no not a soccer game) and also after this dead prisoner exchange.
Until you get your head out of your ass and actually realize that the entire world is not as safe as the USA, you will have no clue. But you obviously have the internet to give your oh so apt opinion!!- elister, on 07/17/2008, -3/+1I get plenty of info from BBC World News, & PBS. I actually had a manager who was 1/4 Palestinian (mother was a refugee) who would occasionally share her mothers stories. Dont need to live there to know whats going on.
I don't doubt that Iraqi militants use others as shields, given that they are in a civil war and don't get much get along. Please don't be surprised if people fight fights the only way they know how, war is messed up and often there are no rules when you are the lone superpower fighting it. Not surprised that America uses torture, personal humiliation, sex crimes, etc, against POWs, im also not going to agree with it. "While I personally don't believe in wife beating.... I certainly UNDERSTAND IT!!!", Sam Kinison.
"And until you know that Palestinians (more so in the Gaza strip) harbor terrorists very willingly"
Well duh! If France invaded Canada and held their ground for 50 years, would you call Canadian terrorists? Would you be surprised if Canadians harbor them?
"Until you get your head out of your ass and actually realize that the entire world is not as safe as the USA, you will have no clue. But you obviously have the internet to give your oh so apt opinion!!"
I never said the world was safe. Hell, its a ***** up place. I forget the exact quote, but its true to what you said. "Never complain about America until you have a chance to live somewhere else, once you see just how ***** up life is overseas, you'll never complain about life in America", Henry Rollins.
- elister, on 07/17/2008, -3/+1I get plenty of info from BBC World News, & PBS. I actually had a manager who was 1/4 Palestinian (mother was a refugee) who would occasionally share her mothers stories. Dont need to live there to know whats going on.
- gcnaddict, on 07/17/2008, -3/+3You might be right, but can you at least show some sympathy for the two families which received bodybags today in exchange for countless prisoners (who will likely kill more?)
- MrTito, on 07/17/2008, -3/+2199 families is Lebanon received bodybags today, too.
- elister, on 07/17/2008, -2/+0Cant offer sympathy for someone I don't know.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -4/+7As an American, maybe you should get out and see the world more. It isnt that easy out there.
- kingUssop, on 07/17/2008, -15/+14"Hezbollah demonstrates again that some human beings are just two legged animals"
Isn't that the sort of thing Hitler would say about groups of people? Just animals? Come on, that doesn't solve problems.- DeFex, on 07/17/2008, -6/+4on the other hand Israel could be saying "we think 2 of our dead are worth all of your people we let you have, they are nothing but animals"
- trafficlight, on 07/17/2008, -15/+2That baby was probably being kind of a dick.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/12/03/ - Cayfox, on 07/17/2008, -19/+13Buried for the submitter's repugnant editorial commentary.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -10/+8As opposed the the repugnant ACTUAL STORY and behavior of Hezbollah!??
- nycmac247, on 07/17/2008, -3/+7You are misinterpreting it; it was a sexual turn on and he was admiring their warrior culture. To him, the term "animals" is not derogatory but a description of an object of lust.
/s?
- jsaic, on 07/17/2008, -18/+15this entire thing is dumb. it was crazy to create israel in the first place but what group of humans throughout history haven't just moved in somewhere. yes i know the whole 3000 year old history thing,but for the people who were living there you do have to at least see it from their point of view that these people just flooded into the area. but the palestinians should also see the side of the israelis. after the holocaust the zionist movement took on a lot more meaning. the desire for the ancient homeland became extremely important. so. in my opinion the palestinians have no choice but to just stop doing crazy ass killings and accept the fact that the israelis are there to stay. stop fighting it's futile. neither side is innocent at this point and they both need to move on. the israelis don't just go crazy and kill for no reason. if the palestinians just quit commiting terrorist acts they wouldn't have a problem with israel. what has always interested me is the fact that so many arabsblame jews for the middle east problems but no one blames the rich kings and leaders of these oil bloated states who do nothing for their own people and nothing for the palestinian people. out of the entire middle east the arabs and muslims are so concerned with a piece ofland that historically has belonged to judah and israel. can't you just let the jews have that little piece of land. it isn't even gushing with oil. muslims have the entire middle east and they don't want the jews to have a tiny sliver of land. it's ridiculous. plus jewish women are hot.
- jsaic, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5how the hell do i have minus diggs. what statement did i make that is inaccurate? idiots.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5Its called antisemitism or people just stupid followers who dont look up facts.
It's not in hate's or ignorance's best interest to face facts.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5Its called antisemitism or people just stupid followers who dont look up facts.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4Well that's true but "palestina" was the region called by SYRIA when they had control of that region.
NEVER was there any group of people in that region named "palestinians" not until around the 1920's and thats what they were calling jewish settlers at that time! Sorry but that is FACT!
Today you have palestinians and retarded liberals that dont look up anything spreading false numbers about population counts, and agricultural crops that "palestine" had around the time Jews started settling.
And I call them retarded, because they dont stop to check that those numbers used were for the entire "BRITISH PALESTINE" which included ALL OF JORDON!
The difference is when British tried to divide the land, and give almost EVERY single bit of land back to Arabs and a wee little bit about the size of rhose island, to the Jews, the Arabs rejected it. EVEN THOUGH, most really were migrants from other areas. I'm not saying Jews weren't because they were.
But the difference is, and still is to this day, for Arabs it's ALL OR NOTHING. And it if they dont get all, they will try and make sure the other side gets nothing!
The UN had to step in and divide the land and again, Arab nations attacked Israel and continued to do so for DECADES!!!! Regardless of all the UN resolutions telling them to stop and condemning them. But today Arabs cry for Israel to listen to UN resolutions telling them to give land back AFTER Arab nations attacked them. yeah and after all the ***** Israel went through with no help from the UN but words, what do you expect them to do?!
So next time you decide to spread Palestinian lies for their parents broken and defeated pride at losing to Israel so many times (after attempting to Israel into the sea), WHY NOT LOOK FACTS UP!!?- fuse13, on 07/17/2008, -2/+1Hi Jabberwolf. I was trying to figure out this issue a few years back and so i read books with perspectives from both side. My conclusion was that both sides are full of sh** and each spins the tale to support them. Both sides present a lot of "FACTS" but the choice of facts really does affect how you perceive the conflict. The truth is somewhere in between.
- Djangology, on 07/17/2008, -1/+1Read Norman Finkelstein's Beyond the Chutzpah. That will shed some light on the topic for you guys. Jabberwolf, I know that the truth is a bitter pill to swallow. Yet whether you believe it or not, there were hundreds of thousands of arabs that lived there and now they live in refugee camps scattered to the four corners of the world. Many of them remember their homes, many of them remember their streets, many of them remember their neighborhoods and neighbors. They want to come back but Israel does not grant them the right to return as the houses they occupied are now being occupied by someone else. If you have a ounce of decency, ounce of courage, print what you just wrote there and read it to them out loud. The rage you will receive will alone prove who is right or wrong.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2"hundreds of thousands of arabs"
Yes in all of "Israel" that I agree. Most palestinians and palestinian sights use numbers in the millions based off of "BRITISH palestine" which was all of Jordon as well.
The difference is ( and may probably add to the jews being wealthy) but when the jews migrated from Europe they brought all their wealth and created much of the agriculture that was not there before. They provided most of the commerce that was never there before them. The huge migration of Arabs to that location was from mostly other regions. And most of the "palestinians" were nothing but migrants from other areas of Syria, Jordon and Europe.
That same books shows ALSO that other groups were there as well, as it was Jerusalem after all.
The issue was that of that entire region, Israel was the smallest of slivers given to the jews. That was absolutely too much for the arabs to handle. And thus the wars and propaganda ensued. - jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -1/+3And yes the migration of "arabs and jews" to and from Israel before the 1948 is well documented before the UN passed its 181 resolution. And though some were from Israelis kicking them out, MOST moved in fear of being caught in the middle of a war between Jordon, Egypt, and Syria.
So instead of staying to defend Israel and be in a war, they left, hoping to return to an ARAB owned Israel. YOUR DAM RIGHT THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO GET THE RIGHT OF RETURN!
So go back and tell me I'm wrong about that if you want to swallow bitter pills!! - Mesmorize, on 07/18/2008, -1/+1Palestinians don't even have genetic markers that indicate they came from Israel. Jews do.
Yeah we can talk about lost homes all day, the Jews lost more and lost more bodies.
600,000 Jews were kicked out of Arab countries when Israel was created. The difference is that Palestinians whine and die louder.
- iizh, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4I agree, that made a lot of sense and I dugg you up. I think people just didn't read it because you failed to use paragraphs, capitalization, and punctuation so at first glance it looks like a stupid rant.
- jsaic, on 07/17/2008, -0/+0stop foaming at the mouth jabberwolf. jeez. ive already agreed that the arabs haven't made a single good decision about that strip of land. why wouldn't someone want 90% of land versus 0. who knows and frankly i don't care. im just tired of the two sides killing eachother. and yes, jewish women are still hot.
- jsaic, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5how the hell do i have minus diggs. what statement did i make that is inaccurate? idiots.
- thelif, on 07/17/2008, -4/+12Screw these comments, I'm gonna go find a happier topic.
- RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -5/+2It's the pro-israel brigade. They have this utility which lets them know when there is a big article they can vote "pro-israel" on to sway public opinion.
Typical Zionist Strategy. Control things underhandedly from the shadows.
The only problem is, too many people already know it's all BS and leave so the only people they end up talking to is themselves.- MrTea, on 07/17/2008, -1/+2sup Farrakhan
- RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -5/+2It's the pro-israel brigade. They have this utility which lets them know when there is a big article they can vote "pro-israel" on to sway public opinion.
- pookkake, on 07/17/2008, -6/+36Israel should have returned Hezbollah's soldiers in the same condition in which theirs were returned.
- Gudeldar, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4I completely agree as soon as they found out that their soldiers were dead they should have put a bullet in Kantar's head. Westerners, especially Europeans who justify what Hezbolla and Hamas do make me sick. You can support a Palestinian state without supporting terrorists. Though I guess its not surprising that Europeans demonize Israel, Jews have been Europe's favorite scapegoat for over 1000 years.
I'm not saying that there isn't legitimate criticism of Israel, in fact there is a lot to criticize about Israel. Like the bulldozing of homes, blockade of the the West Bank, etc. - writie, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1They did, actually. 199 were returned in coffins in the same exchange.
Quntar is not even a Hizbollah fighter as it didn't exist when he attacked that family. They just made him one of their priorities. - hamidious, on 07/19/2008, -0/+1There wouldn't have been a deal had that happened.
Anyway, Hezbollah would have celebrated their prisoners as martyrs anyway.
- Gudeldar, on 07/17/2008, -0/+4I completely agree as soon as they found out that their soldiers were dead they should have put a bullet in Kantar's head. Westerners, especially Europeans who justify what Hezbolla and Hamas do make me sick. You can support a Palestinian state without supporting terrorists. Though I guess its not surprising that Europeans demonize Israel, Jews have been Europe's favorite scapegoat for over 1000 years.
- ashes0, on 07/17/2008, -7/+9Weren't you diggers screaming and bitching calling Israel no better than terrorists on an earlier front page story?
Apparently whatever is front page you guys will agree with...
Obama, Mccain, Hillary, incest, none of it really matters to you as long as you get dug up huh? - pintomp3, on 07/17/2008, -16/+7Israel is believed to have about 100 women and 300 under-18s among the more than 8,000 Palestinian prisoners in its jails.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5122056.stm
Approximately 8,500 Palestinians are held in Israel, the vast majority in faciltiies of the Israel Prisons Service, and a small number in IDF facilities. The figures are provided by the government authorities.
http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/Detainee ...- Kitrus, on 07/17/2008, -11/+5C'mon pintomp, that's not fair. Bringing inconvenient facts into an echo chamber.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -5/+13Good, and if you throw rocks, shot at or abeited people to kill Israeli police, wouldnt YOU been thrown in jail?
It might not be their fault but their parents. Their parents who pile their sick,broken pride, and lies on their children and teach them that its ok to attack without consequences.
The prisoners are basically the result of retarded, old, bigoted, and bitter Palestinians that push their hate and will on their children.- Kitrus, on 07/17/2008, -5/+2Needless to say, this is bullocks. A vast number of these prisoners are guilty of no serious crime. Those who are, for political activity, often non-violent and legitimate, almost never for suicide attacks. ALL are tried in military courts. Israeli torture and abuse is, needless to say, common and well-documented.
A typical case: "Human Rights Watch says the 4,500 Palestinians arrested in the massive military sweep through the West Bank in March-April 2002 were subjected to widespread ill-treatment such as kicking, beatings, squalid conditions and deprivation of food and drink." [BBC News]
It bears repetition: MASSIVE MILITARY SWEEP. - Kitrus, on 07/17/2008, -3/+1
jabberwolf piles on the typical Zionist cliches, but these words really stand out:
"sick, broken pride"
"bitter Palestinians"
- Kitrus, on 07/17/2008, -5/+2Needless to say, this is bullocks. A vast number of these prisoners are guilty of no serious crime. Those who are, for political activity, often non-violent and legitimate, almost never for suicide attacks. ALL are tried in military courts. Israeli torture and abuse is, needless to say, common and well-documented.
- Mesmorize, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1Oh my gosh in a Palestinian population of around 5 million there are 400 under 18's in jail!
You're a ***** lunatic, we have more kids in jail in my state.
And for less militant crimes than throwing rocks at soldiers.
- da233, on 07/17/2008, -5/+20I can't actually believe they gave Kuntar back after having found out that the 2 soldiers were dead.
I mean, a week ago when they first announced the prisoner swap, I was debating whether or not it would be wise to go ahead with the swap, two ALIVE israeli soliders for Kuntar and a bunch of prisoners.
Honestly, they should've returned Kuntar in a bodybag after finding out the two soliders were dead. That guy doesn't deserve to be alive, period. And it only infuriates me even more to think that he is being praised as a hero. Seriously? For bashing the head of a 4 year old girl?
The sad thing is that by releasing Kuntar, it will only encourage more people to terrorize Israel. - RationalXubrnce, on 07/17/2008, -3/+12 I'm surprised Israel did this deal, it didn't seem worth it for them.
- koft, on 07/17/2008, -20/+2I live in America, I don't really give a ***** what towel heads or Israelis are up to. Let them deal with their own ***** themselves, we have ***** to fix here at home.
- jamessavik, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5Isolationism has worked out so well for us in the past.
- koft, on 07/17/2008, -5/+1I don't support isolationism and nobody else does either. Non interventionalism however is something we should support.
- jamessavik, on 07/17/2008, -2/+5Isolationism has worked out so well for us in the past.
- digjam, on 07/17/2008, -13/+3I HOPE A METEORITE HITS EARTH AND WIPES OUT MANKIND SOON! and we start fresh again.
I CANT BEAR SUCH HORROR ANY MORE.- da233, on 07/17/2008, -2/+3What makes you think the exact same history won't occur again?
- jamessavik, on 07/17/2008, -3/+1>I HOPE A METEORITE HITS EARTH AND WIPES OUT MANKIND SOON!
You first ***** - Pitofdoom, on 07/17/2008, -0/+1Not going to get so lucky, were going to watch this turd get grinded down to fly ***** by our own hands !!
- MurphyWatson, on 07/17/2008, -9/+3Anyone who seriously supports this is ***** in the head. They're releasing a killer, who killed a woman and her child, for some dead ***** bodies?
Hey, does anyone remember when the romans freed a killer instead of pardoning Jesus? I mean I don't believe any of that *****, lol, but I suspect most of you do. - waydee, on 07/17/2008, -26/+6Buried for stupid pro-israel description. Also pretty disgusting to see the zionist bury brigade out, digg's turning to ***** with these sorts around.
- da233, on 07/17/2008, -5/+18I'm also pretty sick of people like you who use words like "zionist bury brigade" so easily.
The people that buried comments did so because the simple fact is that Hezbollah's actions were simply immoral.
It's a matter of good vs evil, not Israel vs Hezbollah- RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -15/+2LOL... the stupidity of your comment is beyond Epic.
People like you are the reason that place has been at war for so long. Congrats at the fail @ Life.
- RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -15/+2LOL... the stupidity of your comment is beyond Epic.
- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -4/+16Yeah lets call any ***** FACTS zionist propanda.
Lets post some fake numbers about a fake palestine and call anything else that's factual zionist propaganda! - iizh, on 07/17/2008, -0/+7Pretentious twit. You need to start reading some news sources besides Al-Jazeera.
- RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -8/+2Umm... Do you even know what the word "pretentious" means?
Ask for a dictionary this Hanukka.
I think you are the "pretentious" twit here... trying to portray you are cleverer than you actually are and falling on your face by the wrong use of the word.
Get back to your Tora and imaginary friends in the sky ;-D - iizh, on 07/17/2008, -1/+6Uh... wow. Epic fail. First off, I'm an atheist, not a Jew. Now, here's a tip: never attempt to correct someone on a word if YOU don't know what it means. I'll help you out:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pretentious
I'll dumb it down for you: it means 1) conceited or 2) showy.
He declares that Digg is turning to "*****" because of "these sorts (of people)". Pray tell, how does that not reek of self-conceit? He thinks himself to be better than the Digg populace. Laughable.
Sigh. ***** kids. Go learn English, then come back.
- RAGEdemon, on 07/17/2008, -8/+2Umm... Do you even know what the word "pretentious" means?
- cdzrom100, on 07/17/2008, -1/+5hi.
go ***** yourself
bye. - pitlord, on 07/17/2008, -2/+4Thank G-d there are enough brave, righteous souls on digg to combat the freak party you scum have been throwing around here with your blatant lies and propaganda against Israel. I can't deny that I will be pleased when I see your kind of evil grovel in agony when you finally realize the horror you will suffer at the coming of the Moshiach.
^^
- da233, on 07/17/2008, -5/+18I'm also pretty sick of people like you who use words like "zionist bury brigade" so easily.
- cipher64, on 07/17/2008, -10/+3Digg me down but if you read the article does it not seem to be biased reporting or you just believe everything told to you. I think no heinous act like the one that Kantar committed has any justification but it sure does have a cause. If he were here in the US he would have probably claimed insanity who knows. I wish people could see both sides of the picture. People are dying on both sides. Those who celebrated Palestinian prisoners' return weren't celebrating just one prisoner's return they were celebrating what this meant for them, it's not just people like Kantar who get imprisoned quite a few innocent people get victimized too. Unfortunately Kantar was one of the prisoners released, who is to say the Israelis did not do that on purpose, and so the biased media gets to spin the story the way they want you to see it.
- pintomp3, on 07/17/2008, -12/+4can we please pull out of the region and stop sending billions of our tax dollars?
- feanix, on 07/17/2008, -4/+16All human beings are two legged animals.
- askantik, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4Indeed. I also hate when articles like these refer to terrorists are animals. Humans are animals (which we often forget... animals from henceforth will mean non-human animals). Most animals know that enough is enough and do not always strive for more as humans do. Maybe most animals don't have the intellectual capacity as human beings, but that does not make them any worse or lower than us.
Sure, many great things come with intellectual capacity, but many bad things happen, too. Don't believe me? Watch the news. Terrorists, rapists, murders, thieves, etc... All products of the great human mind. And we choose to say that bad guys are "animals?" What have animals ever done to us, other than try to live on land that we've stolen from them or lived in squalor when we caged them? I would rather be compared to an animal than most people I know. But hey, that's just me.
- askantik, on 07/17/2008, -1/+4Indeed. I also hate when articles like these refer to terrorists are animals. Humans are animals (which we often forget... animals from henceforth will mean non-human animals). Most animals know that enough is enough and do not always strive for more as humans do. Maybe most animals don't have the intellectual capacity as human beings, but that does not make them any worse or lower than us.
- MrTito, on 07/17/2008, -10/+7I'm really getting tired of the Megaphone crowd using Digg as a soapbox.
- pitlord, on 07/17/2008, -2/+7Because it is so much better to hear the Neo Nazi crowd preaching their socialist, fascist hate?
>.> - Monk22, on 07/17/2008, -0/+3im tired of huffpo, moveon, dailykos, and mediamatters using digg as a soapbox.
- pitlord, on 07/17/2008, -2/+7Because it is so much better to hear the Neo Nazi crowd preaching their socialist, fascist hate?
- 55mph, on 07/17/2008, -13/+6The current kill rate is 14 Palestinians for every 1 Isreali.
Surprised?- jabberwolf, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Statistics please?! From what sources?
- RetardoCrisp, on 07/17/2008, -9/+3@ the OP
"Hezbollah demonstrates again that some human beings are just two legged animals."
Well there is your 1st folly. Humans ARE animlas, that is the 1st and formeost reason we are all in the position we are in via causing the rape of this planet and every living thing on it. Why do humans seperate themselves from animals, that is what we are, period. Accept it and drop the arrogance and superiority.
Besides, you think Israel are saints since they release a known killer to get 2 dead bodies back in return? Wow, great thinking there. Both sides are arrogant mindless killers, violence breeds violence, nothing more. Isreal has taken over so much land that was never theirs to begin with but they claim righteousness and owndership via Old Testament scriptures. Grow up...things change and the population grows.- pitlord, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6Hey Retardo, Israel started out with a deal for over 45,000 square miles of land and now they have less than 5,000 square miles.
o.o
You've got it backwards, Israel has been GIVING AWAY land for "peace" deals that are always broken
- pitlord, on 07/17/2008, -0/+6Hey Retardo, Israel started out with a deal for over 45,000 square miles of land and now they have less than 5,000 square miles.