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Hezbollah Rockets Now Threaten Most of Israel

usatoday.com — Under the UN's "watchful" eye, Iran has been re-arming Hezbollah. The Lebanese group has acquired new Iranian rockets with a range of about 185 miles, meaning most of Israel's heavily populated center is now in range.

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  • gbudavid, on 03/30/2008, -7/+12Maybe Israel will use the Blue Beanies for Mine Sweepers and then for Toilet Paper??
    • Iconoclast25, on 03/30/2008, -3/+8I like the first idea, but after being used for mine sweeping, they will only be good for fertilizer.
  • kojaa, on 03/30/2008, -2/+15I hope another war doesn't break out.
    • urik88, on 03/30/2008, -2/+8WTF two persons dugg him down :|
      How could someone deliberately want such a pointless war to happen?
  • nobullshit, on 03/30/2008, -22/+10So? Israeli rockets threaten most of Palestine.
    • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -8/+1Indeed, the entire middle east. But somehow that is different because they are peaceful government. Except when they are bombing the snot out of Lebanon and red cross workers.
      • Kizilbash, on 03/31/2008, -9/+1Hahahahaha, a peaceful government. There is a really, really HUGE pile of evidence you need to ignore to believe that. Take the attack on the Suez Canal in 1956 by Israel and the other two colonial powers, France and the UK. That was a pretty peaceful attack. Or the 1982 full-scale assault on Lebanon, on the most flimsy of excuses. That was as clear-cut an act of aggression as Hitler's attack on Poland or Bush's attack on Iraq.
        • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -6/+1I was being factitious. If there is one thing that no government in the Middle east can claim to be is "peaceful", and they have to be that way when both sides are so equally hideous towards one another.
        • wpi97, on 03/31/2008, -0/+5"Or the 1982 full-scale assault on Lebanon, on the most flimsy of excuses."
          Flimsy?!?! http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_terror ...
          Virtually all of the terrorist attacks listed were launched from Lebanon.
        • wpi97, on 03/31/2008, -1/+4@Waiting2awake
          I believe the word you were looking for is "facetious". Unless, of course, you were being _fictitious_, which is a better description.
  • yellowcakewalk, on 03/30/2008, -23/+11Remember the murderous occupation of Lebanon starting in 1982. How many thousands of Lebanese civilians did the IDF kill? I assure you that Lebanese remember this. The Sabra and Shatila massacre near Beirut, under the watchful eye of General Ariel Sharon happened during that brutal occupation.

    Then there was the crushing attack of 2006, with civilians being targeted ( see Qana massacres of 1996 and 2006 ). Fortunately, the Lebanese were able to drive the invaders from Lebanon, but the cowardly IDF dropped a million clusterbombs on civilian areas on their way out, clusterbombs which are still killing children to this day.

    Newbies should really try to understand the genocidal nature of the Zionists. A good place to start is "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar Ilan Pappe.
    • czman, on 03/31/2008, -2/+6sabra and shatilla is the biggest scam in the history of the middle east. the fact is that it was done by the lebanonies christian falangas as vengence for the ***** that the palestinian PLO forces have rained on them since they were expeled out of jordan. Israel has ZERO envolvment in it. it was a local lebanoni massacare. yet, for some reason, Israel is the one who people blame for it. ***** unbelievable.

      "Then there was the crushing attack of 2006, "

      right. that happned as a result of a milatery action from a millitia - since the lebanoni army was not even present in the south of lebanon Israel HAD to exert it's sovraignty. one can definetly critisize the amount of force that was used, but not the legitamcy of the responce it self. another reminder: ISRAEL LEFT LEBANON unilateraly in 2000. one could argue that that was a mistake given the fact that the hizbulla attacked israel with NO PROVOCATION WHAT SO EVER in july 2006.

      that said it really is saddening that many innocent lebanonies and israeli had to (and still do) suffer as the result of ***** blood thirsty millitant religious assholes..
    • Kizilbash, on 03/31/2008, -5/+1Israel was up to it's neck in the massacres of Sabra and Shatilla. Even an internal Israeli investigation could not wash away all of the guilt. They had armed the militia in the first place, they had allowed them into West Beirut, against the agreements made, they helped them with floodlights to see better who they were massacring, they guarded the entrances and let the militia in and sent back people trying to escape the camp and telling them what was going on etc.
  • yellowcakewalk, on 03/30/2008, -19/+8Have a look at the people the IDF blew to smithereens in 2006
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caramel_(film)
    • BassMastr, on 03/30/2008, -3/+11Both sides can trade pictures of atrocities all day...
      Are you looking to place blame or do you actually care enough to hope they find a solution to the problem?
      • czman, on 03/31/2008, -2/+5it's pretty clear: place blame.
      • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -4/+1Id say it is balancing the picture. Look at those posts that ask for the deaths of these people - or that it is time for the real steamrolling. All dugg up.

        Both sides act horribly, but only one side screams "ANTI-SEMITE" when you point out their side of it. Which only validates the side that thinks all Jews are evil and can't be trusted, which only validates the other side that thinks all Arabs want to kill Jews....and so we go.

        Not sure the answer - but those that are causing the problems are not the ones going to pay the price. That is where the real problem is IMO. No accountability from those in power anymore. Anywhere.
    • zolthar, on 03/31/2008, -0/+5Since Hezbollah is based in civilian population, including weapon stores in private property, then any attempt to neutralize the weapons will be considered a war crime.
      CakeWalk will just be hiding nearby with a camera.
  • sbernie, on 03/30/2008, -6/+13The fact of the matter is that, there will be no peace in the middle east until Sar Shalom comes. To all the Arab apologist digging, when will murderous muslim cowards cease to hide behind womens skirts and little kids bodies and stop using civilian population centers to fire their rockets from? Don't tell me about how Israel kills innocent civilians when it has been proven over and over again that muslims themselves have no respect for life.
  • victorypup, on 03/31/2008, -5/+11LOL, It's always little tiny Israel, a fraction of a percentage of the Arab territory. A fraction of the population, bullies, they are, like a mouse taking after an elephant. Yea! All those elephants need to get together and stomp that bully mouse. Grrr,
    • Cayfox, on 03/31/2008, -10/+4A mouse with nuclear weapons and the unreserved backing of a military superpower.
      • czman, on 03/31/2008, -2/+7the mouse has never publicly stated they have or threatened with those alleged weapons and never called for wiping any of it's enemies "off the map".
        • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -7/+3That isn't true. But why let truth get in the way right? So when is that guy that showed the world those weapons that Israel doesn't have getting out of jail? Has he even been charged yet?

          That mouse has invaded two different areas in violation of the UN in the last year. Some mouse huh?

          How many UN condemnations does Israel have now? Is Jerusalem's an international city yet, or does Israel still hold it?
          • czman, on 03/31/2008, -2/+7"That isn't true."

            oh really? when did israel ever state that they even had nuclear weapons, let alone threatened to use them?
          • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -6/+2OK, it is true that they say they don't have them. However, they(and you) are lying in that regard. We all know they have them, and who gave them to them. We all know it goes against the treaties people signed in good faith, but that is "us" so that is OK...

            Meanwhile the outside world sees our hypocrisies and understandably doesn't trust us - while we wonder why?

            If I lie to you do you trust me? Why would others believe Israel then? It certainly wouldn't be for all the compassion they have shown their neighbours would it?

          • czman, on 03/31/2008, -0/+7"OK, it is true that they say they don't have them."

            please state where they have denied having nukes...

            that is you lying.

            the truth is that Israel never said that they did or didn't have them. since the 60s Israel's policy about the subject was to issue following statement:

            "Israel would not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East"

            not confirm and not threaten but not deny either. israel doesn't lie about it's nuclear capability, but is ambiguous about it.

            regarding who "gave it" to them.. it's probably NOT who you think.

            "If I lie to you do you trust me? "

            I most certainly do NOT trust you. since you have lied in the parent comment, or at least didn't bother checking the facts before spuing out garbage. in any case not a very trustworthy sign of your intent or seriousness.
          • Iconoclast25, on 03/31/2008, -1/+4'but that is "us" so that is OK...'
            'Meanwhile the outside world sees our hypocrisies and understandably doesn't trust us - while we wonder why?'

            (1) Canada has no nukes.
            (2) Canada is not part of the USA.
            (3) Your use of "us," "we" and "our" is therefore at best disingenuous.
            (4) If you are an American living in Canada, please don't come back, we are over quota on liberal douchebags already.
            (5) If you are Canadian, my condolences to Canada which is also over quota on liberal douchebags.

        • Kizilbash, on 03/31/2008, -9/+1They have and they have.
          • czman, on 03/31/2008, -1/+8please post proof of this. saying "they have and they have" without reference tells more about your integrity then israel's actions.
          • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -7/+1czman - and yet you think Israel has credibility because "they never technically said they have it" - but everyone knows they have it. You are either being deliberately obtuse, or so completely biased that your views are irrelevant.
          • czman, on 03/31/2008, -1/+8again: they never admitted to having it and they have never threatened using it. you said: "They have and they have"

            I asked you for proof. you didn't deliver. you accused. you lied. I'm calling your lie. it's that simple. You are blinded by a need to "prove a point" that you lie. plain and simple. there are many negative things that you can say about israel, but the fact that you stoop to defend a transparant lie so you can defame israel is indictive of bias.

            if you are talking about what the world knows... israel has probably had nuclear capability since the late 60's, and probably has various delivery mechanisms (jets, missiles, subs). despite the fact that various arab states have stated the destruction of Israel as one of their goals (iraq, iran being the obvious ones) Israel, not only did not attack said states with nukes they never actually threatened attack with nukes and NEVER stated they had them in the first place.

            if you compare that to Iran, the second largest oil rich country in the world, one which does NOT really need alternative power generation (and even if they needed, why not solar?) - they are actively and VERY PUBLICLY pushing for nuclear capabilities, and are constantly talking about the "obliteration of the zionist regime" and "wiping of the map"... the rhetoric is pretty clear here.

            WHERE IS THE ***** ISRAELI RHETORIC???
  • Chaya, on 03/31/2008, -2/+10This time - if another war does break out - Hezbullah will have to take responsibility for civilian casualties if they continue to place their rocket launchers in civilian areas as they did in the last war.
    • zolthar, on 03/31/2008, -2/+8They have no official bases. All weapon stores are in areas that any actions against them is automatically a war crime.
      The world should learn from this technique and update or even redefine some of the war related concepts accordingly.
      • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -8/+1For those not sure - What this "man" is suggesting is that people should just let the powers that be play their war games and if they want to kill civilians - well - we shouldn't judge them for that. The ends justify the means and all that.

        I wonder if others see the irony in this.
        • zolthar, on 03/31/2008, -0/+6For those not sure - this "man?" is trying to put words in my mouth, which I never said, or even thought.
          Liar.
    • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -9/+1So, just to make sure I get this clearly. Criminal gangs from Mexico come up to Cali, commit murder, rape, etc, etc...and that means that the US should bomb Mexico?

      Seriously does that make any sense to you? One is a criminal act - one is an act of war.
      • foopirata, on 03/31/2008, -0/+7The Punitive Expedition officially known in the United States as the Mexican Expedition) was an abortive military operation conducted by the United States Army against the paramilitary forces of Francisco "Pancho" Villa from 1916 to 1917. The expedition was in retaliation for Villa's invasion of the United States and attack on the village of Columbus, New Mexico in Luna County during the Mexican Revolution. The United States Army Center of Military History officially refers to the campaign as the Mexican Expedition. The official beginning and ending dates are March 14, 1916 and February 7, 1917.
        [...]
        On March 15, on orders from President Woodrow Wilson, General John J. Pershing led an invasion force of 10,000 men into Mexico to capture Villa. The newly adopted airplane, Curtiss JN-2, was used by the 1st Provisional Aero Squadron to conduct aerial reconnaissance. Villa had already had more than a week to disperse and conceal his forces before the punitive expedition tried to seek them out in unmapped, foreign terrain.
        [...]


        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expediti ...
        • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -7/+1OK? So? That it was done before justifies it now? You people are barely human. To steal a quote that maybe you'll understand - You have eyes, but do not see. Ears, but do not hear.

          So, the next time an Israeli commits a crime here, I am going to pound the living byjesus out of the next Israeli I find because you have shown me the light...That won't be anti-semitic either will it?

          How is it that those that have gained all the benefit from the holocaust could forget the lessons so completely.
          • foopirata, on 03/31/2008, -0/+7"OK? So? That it was done before justifies it now?" - you posed an 'hypothetical' question, I just took my time to show to you that indeed, when it was the case, the US acted resolutely against the threat. And yes, responses to attacks are justified.

            "You people are barely human." - isn't it a bit early for the ad hominems? I thought you'd give it a longer go at moral equivalence. No ? Too bad. By the way: "people" can't be "barely human", since for someone to be "people" it is understood they are "human". Watch your logic, what's the purpose of a good enraged ad hominem if it fails so flat?

            "So, the next time an Israeli commits a crime here, I am going to pound the living byjesus out of the next Israeli I find because you have shown me the light...That won't be anti-semitic either will it?" - oh but I thoughy "you people" didn't think that attacking an Israeli had any undertone of anti-semitism at all. Is your true face showing? And I sincerely fail to see the link between this assertion of yours and your previous point. Let me steal a quote that maybe you'll understand - one is a criminal act - one is an act of war. Kidnapping soldiers inside Israel, rocketing Israeli territory are acts of war. Do you need the distinction made for you? And btw - it's 'bejesus'.

            "How is it that those that have gained all the benefit from the holocaust could forget the lessons so completely." - oh, we haven't forgotten in the least - that's why we fight so fiercely to avoid the next one that your pals seem to be taking their time in planning.

            How's this appeal-to-emotion-since-my-'logic'-failed thing working for you? Any good? Do you get many girls at parties with it?
          • wpi97, on 03/31/2008, -0/+5@Waiting2awake
            Dude, I think you just got owned.
    • Kizilbash, on 03/31/2008, -9/+1As Amnesty International pointed out Hezbollah are not the only ones who do that, Israeli bases are very, very close to towns too. The Israeli though do not hide behind their own people, the bases are all near Arab towns in northern Israel.
      • czman, on 03/31/2008, -0/+8THATS a load of *****. just think about this for a second. israeli arm bases neer arab towns... geeezzz what a ***** you must be to assume that israel would do something so stupid from an intelligence-gathering perspective just so arabs would be heart by the "army-targeting" missles that the hizbulla fires...

        boy you really are trying very hard and going very far to "proove" a point.
      • foopirata, on 03/31/2008, -0/+7Kizilbash, you seem to have absolutely no idea about the dimensions of Israel. It is roughly the size of New Jersey, and densely populated. Army bases are _everywhere_. But you won't find bases inside Arab villages/towns. Whatever base is close to an Arab town, it must be close to a non-Arab town as well - such is the lay of the land.
        In any case, no fire is effected from those bases - IDF bases are training/staging areas, and all operational procedures happen outside the gates, usually closer to the border.
  • zolthar, on 03/31/2008, -2/+11Hezbollah has no official weapons stashes, they have it all inside civilian property under personal contracts.
    If Israel is to destroy these weapons, then no matter how careful and precise the operations will be, the result will always be considered a war crime, which in this case would be an abusive word laundering and propaganda brainwash by cakewalk rocket99 and the rest of the slogan recyclers.

    P.S.
    Ignore the comments that go like "remember that in 19XX Israel had blah blah blah" - as important it might be, they try to take your attention from the particular topic discussed here.
    • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -6/+1Let me ask you this - Where do all Militias keep their weapons? The original Militia of America had their guns at home - and still do? Why?

      Because without doing that, they are not in a position to defend themselves. Now, I know you will say that those weapons are not for defense, and I would tend to agree with you, but if I had lived through what they have lived through in the last 12-24 months I would probably feel very different after the D.U shells dropped.

      I suspect so would you.
      • zolthar, on 03/31/2008, -1/+9So you justify using schools and mosques for hiding missiles that are launched at Israeli towns, yet disapprove of Israel's neutralization of these threats by bombing them?
      • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -7/+1Zolthar - I don't justify killing at all. I merely understand that when you are outgunned militarily that militia is the only way to go. If you produce a situation where, rightly or wrongly, they have to fight back - this is what you get.

        Now, none of that changes the fact that under international laws one is a criminal civil act, the other an act of war - and a crime against humanity. Done. End of sentence.

        BTW - It shouldn't have to take you to live through their hell for you to understand they are human - But just like Germany before Israel, clearly nationalism has taken the place of humanism.

        BTW - why do they have to hide weapons in a sovereign land?
      • Iconoclast25, on 03/31/2008, -0/+5Rockets with ranges of many kilometers and HE warheads are not exactly the sort of thing a *civilian* keeps in the living room. Nice try, though.
        • zolthar, on 04/01/2008, -0/+3Don't be stupid, of course nobody holds missiles in the living room.
          Proper facilities have been established near/under civilian property.
    • Kizilbash, on 03/31/2008, -7/+2Okay, let's talk about Lebanon. Hezbollah was only founded in 1982, as a reaction to the brutal and unprovoked assault by the Israelis on Lebanon. Hezbollah has learned to be as brutal as the Israelis and managed to throw them out of Lebanon and even managed two years ago to stop them from invading again. I hate their ideology and some of their methods but they have been pretty effective in fighting the Israelis.
      • hadees, on 03/31/2008, -1/+7Okay, let's talk about Lebanon. Israel is no longer occupying Lebanon. Hezbollah got what it claimed it wanted and Israel left. Hezbollah then decides to kidnap two Israeli soldiers for no good reason. They claim it was the Shebaa farms which is a tiny tiny tiny peice of land everyone in the world thinks is attached to the Golan Heights and not Lebanon and they say they wanted to free a man who caved in the skull of a little kid.
        • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -6/+1Where were the soldiers when they were "kidnapped"? I have heard various reports some saying that they were outside of Israel. It is always hard to figure out with so much disinformation out there - but regardless if those soldiers were outside of Israel when they were taken - there would be much more to this story than is being reported.

          Why is it so hard to see(rhetorical, not really directed at you) that all sides in that region are just idiots. So sad that hatred has corrupted the entire region.
          • foopirata, on 03/31/2008, -1/+8
            http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/aug/28/syria. ...

            "Hizbullah last night admitted it would not have captured the two Israeli soldiers last month had it known a war would follow.

            The leader of the militia said that talks were going on to return the two in exchange for Lebanese prisoners held by Israel. The Israeli government refused to confirm this, although officials have said privately that a prisoner exchange was probably the only way forward.

            Hizbullah CROSSED INTO north Israel early on July 12 and captured Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev. Eight other Israeli soldiers were killed, and within hours Israel and Hizbullah were plunged into their most serious conflict. By the time of the ceasefire 34 days later, more than 1,100 people were dead in Lebanon and 157 in Israel, mostly soldiers."

          • czman, on 03/31/2008, -0/+7I have heard various reports some saying that they were outside of Israel and that the two "soliders" who were "patrolling" the "border" were actually aliens from the planet voltron. in fact those jewish alien zionist scum soliders were in fact responsible for 9/11and the peace loving hizbulla flower power elves didn't actually kidnapp them but gave the candy and chocolate.

      • wpi97, on 03/31/2008, -0/+6Unprovoked!?!?!
        http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_terror ...
  • Kizilbash, on 03/31/2008, -10/+4Under the UN's "watchful" eye, the US has been re-arming Israel. I am just glad the Lebanese can defend themselves now. They know what happens to them when they can't. They have been invaded by Israel often enough.
    • czman, on 03/31/2008, -1/+8hizbulla is NOT the Lebanese. the Lebanese have their OWN ARMY.
  • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -9/+3I find it absolutely amazing how blind people can be. How anyone can look at the middle east and say that anyone is better than the other?

    It is horrible to see a nation that was founded on "Never again" - is promoting the very same nationalistic hatred that was the cause for Israel being formed.

    I guess it is true, for some, the only difference between the mentality of the oppressed Vs the oppressor is the amount of power they weld. Not any moral, ethical or humanitarian sense.
    • czman, on 03/31/2008, -0/+7"It is horrible to see a nation that was founded on "Never again" - is promoting the very same nationalistic hatred that was the cause for Israel being formed"

      a few things:

      how is israel promoting nationalistic hatred? you could say that about the palestinian educational system, for sure. you could say this about iran, suria but israel? the country that has 1.5 million arab NATIONALS within it's excepted borders (not to be confused with the 2.5 million palestinians in the wet bank and gaza).

      the situation is NOT black and white. both sides (actually it's more complicated then "two sides") have faults, and both commit atrocities. saying Israel oppresses the palestinians without understanding or caring about what led this to become the situation is not

      how is it "promoting" said "nationalistic hatred"? by wanting to survive? by reacting to attacks on it's sovereignty?

    • DreadPirate, on 04/01/2008, -1/+4Waiting2awake - How can *you* be so blind? Does Israel have children's shows that teach the blind hated of Muslims? NO! But that and more is a regular sight on Palestinian TV. A Children's show where one of the main villains is always a Jew. But of course idiots such as yourself continually ignore that in an effort to blame everything on the boogyman of israel.
      • davharrington, on 04/01/2008, -1/+2seriously dreadpirate what is the sense of discussing anything with someone who refuses to be objective,, there is no benefit, it is just a waste of time.
  • Waiting2awake, on 03/31/2008, -10/+3OK, maybe it is me - but where is this story now? I can't seem to find it other than through my profile. Strange how this seems to happen with Israel things....

    Maybe it is waiting to become inaccurate?
  • Dawneman, on 03/31/2008, -2/+6This isn't a very surprising story, unfortunately, The UN is known to be pretty anti-Israel.
  • hilikus34, on 03/31/2008, -2/+4I truly hope that there is not another war in Palestine...That being said, in the unfortunate event one does occur, Israel needs to end it once and for all and crush Hezbollah.
  • victorypup, on 04/01/2008, -2/+2Israel needs to order up several ship loads of D9's.
  • neocognitism, on 04/03/2008, -5/+3"The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to divulge the confidential intelligence assessment to the media."

    In plain English, it means there is no such intelligence. It means this is a ***** report.

    Excellent idea though. By saying the whole country is at risk, Likudnik warmongers and neocons (redundant) are able to alarm the general population with the same old fear card. It works well here in the US too.

    It's ***** though. Governments don't release classified knowledge unless there is some political benefit to that government. In this case it's to demonize Lebanon, Iran, and Irans influence in the region. Anything to torpedo peace with Hezbollah.
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